September 11, 2024 • 54 mins
In this episode, Josh, of Abyss Gazing, and Allen, of Brilliant But Lazy, sit down to discuss their spoiler-free thoughts on the latest film from Kevin Smith with The 4:30 Movie. The film stars Siena Agudong, Aystin Zajur, Reed Northrup, Nicholas Cirillo & more. It is written and directed by Kevin Smith. The 4:30 Movie opens in limited release beginning September 13th, 2024 from Saban Films.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hey, Welcome to the Victims and Villain's Podcasts, a podcast
extension of the nonprofit that creates content like what you're
listening to right now to talk about mental health through
pop culture. And there's that time once again where we
have a new Kevin Smith movie to talk about. My
name is Josh and today I am joined by fellow podcaster.
(00:28):
He is the host of the He's the co host
of the podcast. You have to watch this podcast as
well as our very own brilliant but lazy mister Allen
fram Well. When I got the offer to do this movie,
there was no one else that I could ever see this.
Do it this with UH.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
In the words of Jay of Jay and Silent Bob'snoochie Bouchiees.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
We're talking about the latest UH from Kevin Smith. The
movie is called the four point thirty Movie. How would
you describe this movie?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I would describe this movie as Kevin Smith bought a
movie theater and wanted to use it for a movie.
I would describe this movie as Kevin Smith taking a
look at his teenage years, doing a film based on
his early life when he was going to the movies
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all the time, and how he fell in love with cinema.
That's how I would describe this.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
We'll get to it eventually, but this movie does have
a post credit scene that are really have strong feelings about,
and I want to talk about it when we get
to spoilers. But I thought this movie was okay. I
didn't love this movie. I didn't hate it. It just
kind of felt like very mid middle of the line
(01:52):
for me, kind of on the same wavelength that Zach
and Mury fell for me. So I'm curious to hear
what you thought about it.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
It's not Kevin Smith's best, but I will say it's
probably his best recently.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Whereas you have a lot like he's he's already making
another Jane Sonthent Bob movie for next year. Uh, Clerks,
this is this is Let me rephrase that because I
just remember. I just remember Clerk's three came out two
years ago, and I love Clerks three. Clerks three is
one of the best films Kevin Smith films he's ever made.
This is the best Kevin Smith film outside of the
(02:30):
Viewisk Universe recently, because you look back at some of
the other stuff he's done outside of Jane and Soment,
Bob and outside of Clerks, It's Yoga hoss in Tusk,
Red State. The Red State is going back like a
decade though or more. Yeah, It's like it's like, yeah,
(02:51):
it's but this this is what Kevin Smith does best.
I he does very good at telling a story that's
not super heightened. I think the Jaysum and Bob stuff
is very exaggerated, very comical. This is very grounded and
(03:14):
very down to earth. There are moments that are a
little bit extra for their joke. Alan Adam Pally's lot
moments in particular coming to mind. But I'm gonna name
drop everyone in this in this movie because I recognized
everyone who showed up. But it's it's grounded, it's very
(03:38):
it reminds me a lot of Chasing Amy. It's very personal,
it's very heartfelt, but also still keeps that comedy, that
keeps that sense of humor and nerdiness, which I like
it does.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
And this feels very much like a Kevin Smith film
coming into the the idea of him doing a not
only an eighties film, but a coming of age film
that really is made for nerds like him that are sentophiles,
that really cling to these types of that specific type
of media. I thought that the sequence between Brian David
(04:15):
and the Usher was like a very touching moment. I
really did like the like the major murder stuff in
this one. Sam Richardson is incredible. He stole the scene
for me the very few that he's gotten this one.
I'm a huge Richardson fan, so anything he shows up
(04:37):
in I'm automatically excited for. I think overall, like, I
think this is like far from his best, but there's
a lot of great things that are really liked about it.
And I think there are elements the disappointments I have
in this film. I just kind of wish that they
were areas of this areas of the narrative that felt
like more heightened or expanded upon than just kind of
(05:02):
the way that they're presented in this one.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I the movie moves very fast. Kevin Smith is very
good at only filming what he's going to use because
he's his own editor, and I think that that shows
in a lot of his work recently, the Clerks, Jane's
on Bob Reboot. He just did a project with Logic.
(05:27):
I think that he edited so like he knows he
knows how to edit, and this is a very tight film.
There's there's no there's no fat that needs to be trimmed,
And I can always appreciate that in a story like
this is what the story he wanted to tell, and
tells it the way he wants to. I as a
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as a cinephile, as somebody who loves going to the movies,
as somebody who when I heard Kevin Smith was doing
this project and buy like buying a movie theater and
making a movie there. I've been excited for this movie
for a while and I got to say, like, I'm
not disappointed in it. This is exactly what I expected
this movie to be, if not a little bit better
(06:13):
because having seen Yoga Hoss and like knowing the heightened
level of comedy and silliness that those movies that movie has,
Like you never know with Kevin Smith what you're going
to get. And I think since his heart attack and
since his his mental health crisis last year, like this
(06:34):
is this is a new Kevin Smith, Like this is
a more grounded, more down to earth Kevin Smith, and
I am really curious to see where he goes from here.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I would argue with that notion. The so this movie
got me to knock off a lot of Kevin Smith
lind spots that I had, So I went back and
I watched films that I have been meaning to watch
for a long time. The only one that like, at
this point as this recording, I haven't seen his Malts.
This movie made me feel kind of like this feels
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like his nineties era like this, and Clerks feels like
that very personal to where it turns this very grounded storytelling.
So you have that grounded aspect of Clerks in here,
but you also have that personalness of the chasing Amy,
which the Silent Bob monologue in that movie's freaking incredible.
(07:29):
But then you also kind of have the very cinematic
moments of like Dogma, So it feels like it feels
very much like it has the lifeblood of here. And
I love how they have that like a little bit
of that grindhouse feel to it, where the boys get
into their get into the theater and you get to
see these fake trailers for the movies Sister Sugar Walls,
(07:54):
which is a nun splitation film, the health Nut, which
is a slasher, and then Booties, which is a Goolies ripoff.
And I love how he hits every one of those
notes that are just like these, like ridiculous eighties horror
things in this of age story.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah, I really appreciated the fake movie trailers in the movie,
but I couldn't help but think, like, which one of
these is actually gonna make? Like he's gonna, like I
know him, He's gonna go through and make one of these.
It is probably gonna be the one where his daughter's
the nun.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
One can hope. Out of all three of these, this
is the one that I wanted the most. Probably the
Booties would come would come next, but the Sister Sugar
Walls is definitely the one that I personally want because
I love nun exploitation.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
The weirdest part about the movie theater, like the stuff
on screen, for me, was they just added the Drew
Carey Show to streaming on Flex TV. So I've been
watching that and then seeing datrich Bader on screen. Beaver,
It's like, that's not Oswald, Like what happened to Oswald?
(09:06):
How do you feel?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Like?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
So you you've been you're catching up on the Kevin
Smith feeling in the holes. I'm I've been deep in
Kevin Smith for a while now. I phrased that wrong,
but I'm gonna leave it there. I I've I know
Kevin Smith very well from podcasting and his films, and
(09:30):
like I listened to a lot of his podcasts, and
I know a lot of the people that showed up
in this movie from other things that he's done in
his podcasting. How do you feel about the did you
how many of the cameos in this did you recognize?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I recognized pretty much all of them, Like I have
the IMDb list pulled up now, Like justin Long showing
up as Stank, I thought was a was a really
memorable one. Like I've I've already mentioned the Sisters sugar Wall,
but you know, there was that really long period in
Smith's career where there was that beef between him and
(10:08):
Jeff Anderson. So seeing him seeing Anderson kind of be
show up in a cameo was a really rewarding thing.
I loved, of course seeing Jason Muse. Jason Biggs had
one of the best sequences. Zario Dawson was was great
in this movie for the brief time that she was
on here. The one that I got a real kick
(10:30):
out of was was ming Chen from Comic Book Men
showing up at the beginning as the as the father
method man showing up was really cool. I'm trying to
I've already betched Sam Richardson. But there's another one that
I'm like, there's another cameo that showed up that I
can't remember, and it's like it's killing me right now. Oh,
(10:54):
Katie Muchetti, Yeah, that.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
One as Melody's mom. Yeah. One of the things, like
I love seeing everyone show up to play with Kevin
Smith because it just makes you know that people want
to work with him, like they enjoy doing things with him.
Like there's no reason for Razaro Dawson to have the
brief cameme that she does in this but she shows up.
(11:18):
She she comes to play, and that that says a
lot about Kevin Smith as an artist, Like people want
to come out to New Jersey for a day to
shoot a cameo and his stuff, which I think speaks
a lot about his character and about about the stories
that he's trying to tell. I want to talk a
(11:41):
little bit about the setting of this movie, Okay, because
I have I have I have stories.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
We're for listeners. Alan has actually been to this theater, Yeah,
I have not.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
That's that's the story I want to tell because there's
two there's two fronts of this. I went out to
that feat to the smat Castle Cinemas in Atlantic Highlands,
New Jersey, which is the theater that this place this
film takes place in. They changed the name for the movie.
I forget what it is so like Atlantic something Atlantic Cinemas.
(12:13):
I think I think that's what the name it was
it was before he bought it. But I went out
to see the director's cut of Jersey Girl. Is that
is that a Kevin Smith film that you have seen
or not?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, it's been a couple of years, but yes, I've
seen it.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
The director's cut the or has he built it when
he showed it?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
There?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
The the Snyder cut of Jersey Girl. It is probably
the most emotional Kevin Smith film I've ever seen. It's
very heartbreaking and like it's very emotional, it's very it's
very good. Like I really hope that they get to
(12:54):
release it.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
It released the extend to cut here soon for audiences
to see. But now that ben Affleck and Jalo had
broke it are divorcing again, but probably not.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Ah, anything is possible at this point.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
But when you go into like when you go into
the cinema, like the movie theater that he owns, it's
very clear that he loves movies. He loves movie theaters
because he's put a lot of work in that theater.
I had never been there before he bought it, but
he They decorated the walls with a bunch of art
(13:34):
from all of his films. So there's like different posters
from Dogma lighting the walls. When you go to the
concession stand, there's a letter from Ben Affleck thanking him
for Dogma. There's a mural on the wall of every
movie star or celebrity from New Jersey. So it's he
didn't just boy Like I made the joke that he
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bought this theater to make this movie, That's not why
he did it. He did it because he loves cinema.
He loves this This space is like a sacred place
to him, and going there it shows, and I think
it also shows in this movie because it it's very
nice to it might it must be very nice to
be able to be like, I have this space that
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was very dear to me in my childhood, and I
want to tell that story, and I have the means
of telling that story now, and I'm going to ask
my friends to come out and play and as a
as a storyteller, as a filmmaker, like that's gotta be
the best feeling, and like because I'm so envious to that,
because like my childhood movie theater, the one at the
(14:44):
Chambersburg Mall is gone like that that that mall is
abandoned now. The only other theater that's even close a
close second to that is a drive in theater, which
is still open and I can still go to. But like,
this is a love love letter to his childhood watching
movies and knowing what I know from his podcasts, that
(15:06):
was a big thing he did with his dad. And
I can guarantee that that the the story arc with
his mother calling the movie theater probably happened to him
as a kid. Because this, this is this is probably
the most autobiog auto This is the closest to autobiography
we're going to get from Kevin Smith.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
I thank you for the rape. Thank you for the
reminder about Rachel Directus cameo on this, because I totally
forgot about that. She's just had me in absolute tears.
The just the back and forth between her and Jim
kem Kimmune, Jun Jung Jung terrible with names, manager Mike.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, Ken Jeong, Kim Jeong Yeah. Story Wise, this is
pretty much an eighties movie, Like this is straight out
of the eighties. This is very much just almost I
want to say, it's the it's very John Hughes like.
(16:12):
It very much feels like that you could put Molly
Ringwald in this movie, in John Cryer, and it would fit.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
That mold it does. It fits it very well. I
think the biggest problem that I have is I would
have liked a little maybe like ten minutes more to
kind of like explore some of the relationships, because some
of the relationships kind of feel like almost like jokes
(16:38):
in a way. But then you have that, like there's
a moment in the movie where the jokes kind of
become serious and there's like an analytical analysis of the
three main characters that is very good sequence in this.
(16:59):
And I don't want to say it does feel earned.
It's just I would have liked to kind of see
that a little bit more developed, a little bit more,
because by the time we reached that, we're essentially in
and out of the movie theater. You know, hygiens kind
of take place, and this is they're very it's very fun.
But when you're looking at it from like a more
critical perspective, I would have liked to see some of
(17:21):
those relationships kind of expanded upon or even developed a
little bit more.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, the movie focuses on the three main got three
main teenage boys in this, so Brian, Belly, and Bernie.
I feel like the dynamic between Brian and Bernie is
very much explored, but Belly is just kind of there.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah, Belly's just kind of not to cut you off.
He feels like going back to that sequence I was
talking about, he feels like he is just there simply
to kind of be the punchline and the comic relief
that re essentially that connects Brian and Bernie, like the
bridge between the two.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Which I've been in uh friendship dynamics where that sometimes
that is the case, and that's not all Like even
in dynamics where that is the case, that's not one
hundred percent of the time. Like, if you want to
see that dynamic come once, you have to watch this
podcast where I'm the glue that that brings Devin and
Ryan together. But yeah, they there's the and there. What
(18:30):
I thought was interesting about the Bernie Brian angle was
Bernie's very jealous of Brian focusing on Melody Bernard, what
was it, Barnegut. Yeah, yeah, he's very very focused on
Brian's obsession with this girl, and it's jealousy. It's like,
(18:52):
it's exploring what it's like to grow up and like
step away from your friends and relationship dynamics changing, because
that's what happens over time, is relationships friendships change and
you either can grow with them and change with them
or you go your separate way is And I think
this film does a really good job of exploring what
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that looks like in a in a teenage boy friendship.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, that's that's that's a good analysis. So to two
points I'll make off of that. It the dynamic between
those two the melody or Melody Brian and Bernie almost
kind of feels like a more youthful, maybe a little
bit less not as mature version of the Alyssa Holden
(19:40):
and Banky character dynamics from Chasing Amy. Okay, And I
say that because of the final scene in that movie
before the one year mark, kind of just with that
analyst and with the belly argument, it's kind of backs
up your point. But that is a very good way
(20:05):
of exploring it and good way of kind of stating
it is, you know some of the some people experience that,
and I was. I feel like I can't speak to
that because I was fortunate that as like relationships with girlfriends,
past girlfriends came and went like it never had to
cost me anything because they were always kind of supportive
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and along for the ride, and that's not always the case,
you know, or they're jealousy.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I can say from personal experience that there were friends
that I had when I was like Brian's age that
I am no longer friends with because we went our
separate ways and I don't know, I don't know what happened.
But my best guess is, you know, I don't know.
(20:54):
I don't know what happened. We went our separate ways,
and that's fine, that's part of life. But the friends
that I do still have from those those days are
near and dear to my heart. I do a podcast
with one of them weekly. I would just at another
one's wedding over the summer, and since then him and
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I have reconnected a lot and talked a lot more
since then, and it's like the friendships that are meant
to last last, and I think the relationships that are
meant to last last.
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I've always kind of looked at relationships in you know,
a couple of different ways where you have and now
with the rays of social media, you can add another
one in there to where you have people that you
maybe are work colleagues or maybe they've been podcast guests
in the past or whatever have you, and you know
you're just kind of how you're like not quite a
(23:39):
colleague but not quite a friend, Like you kind of
operate that middle spart and then somewhere along the lines,
there's a moment that happens where the two of you
face real shit together and that becomes friendship. And that
becomes a relationship that is going to essentially be a
lifelong you know, harder and going off of what you're saying,
(23:59):
like I I some of the best relationships that I've
have now are post you know, a school, post you know, graduation,
and just looking at the people that I talk to
every day are people that I've just I've been in
the trenches with and they're the type of people that
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I continue to want to fight with and want them
to fight with me. And I think that Smith does
a really good job at capturing the honesty of what
that looks like, especially growing up, because I feel like
it's it's one of those things that I feel personally
that I took for granted growing up, where I've had
relationships and it was so easy to make friends, but
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as an adult, it you'd be hard to do that,
And you know, I think they capture that really well.
To kind of see the dynamic of where their stories
go throughout the course of the film and then where
they end up in the end is a very genuine
picture of what it's like to be someone's friends and
(25:04):
endoor it it's not just always butterflies and rainbows. It
sometimes it means getting in dirty and fighting for the
people he love.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, And I think going back to the whole talking
about all the cameos and stuff in this like there's
a lot to be said about found family. And I
think looking at everyone who shows up in this movie
for a day, for a scene, for a moment, for
a cameo, like that's Kevin Smith's found family, like he
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has he has all of his friends, Like there's a
reason that all his movies take place, like most of
his movies take place in one universe because everyone wants
to come back and play. And I think he's very
very good at getting people involved and working with the
people he wants to work with. But I know, I know,
talking about the cinema, like he his manager who runs
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the cinema, Ernie McDonald or Ernie o'donald. He was one
of his friends growing up, like the went to the
movies with him. I think he's one of the trio
from this movie. Like I don't know which one, probably
Belly if I had to guess, but it's it's very
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The biggest takeaway I had from this movie is wanting
to tell a personal story on this level because I
have I have film experience. I've done worked on projects
for other people. It's been years since I've done anything
for myself, and that I think the highest compliment I
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can give anything film wise is inspiring others to create,
and Kevin Smith does that very well, not only here
but in his podcast. Like he's always been very adamant
about just go make the thing, which is why I'm
on so many podcasts because I just keep making the thing.
(27:08):
But I think that's the biggest takeaway from this, is
like being able to be vulnerable and tell your personal
story and have fun with it, like putting yourself out there,
because there are moments in this that, like the mom stuff,
if that happened, Like he's putting that out there for
the world to know. Like it's like there's things in
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here that you have to be vulnerable to share with people.
And I think he's very open about his life heart
attack and post mental health crisis, and I think he's
become a better storyteller for that.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I think this is one like building off of that.
I think in the grand scheme of Kevin Smith films,
this is one that feels like, like you said, like
he made this for himself, because when you look at
his previous film, Clerks Three. People had been asking for
that film for so long, and when he went through
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his like little horror phase in the early twenty tens,
it was because a lot of people had been you know,
what would happen if Kevin Smith made a horror film?
And so you got Red State, Tusk, and Yoga Hoss
and it's this really kind of really interesting turn for
(28:31):
him as a storyteller. But again it came at the
height of everyone wanting to see him tackle that genre.
And I remember when Red State and Tusk both came
out himself, he was a huge, massive deal that here
you had Kevin Smith tackling something that was outside of
(28:54):
his wheelhouse, but it was in the vein of horror,
being a horror fan himself. And I think for this film,
this is a really personal film. This is a film
that he really wanted to make. And it's I am
very envious of Kevin Smith, as I think we both are,
and probably many people listening that he has essentially taken
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a career, made a butt ton of friends, and just
continues to tell great stories and personal stories like.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
This, and I think it says a lot about him
as a storyteller that he can inspire people to be creative,
whether through podcasting or films, like have you met Kevin Smith?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
No, I have not.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
I have twice kind of. The second time was at
the theater when he did the screening of Jersey Girl.
They do before the show, he does any any show
you go to it Podcastle Cinemas, they do an auction
and they take different memorabilia, things that he's had, different
(30:10):
things like posters and things that he gets signed and
he auctions them off. I have I have something here
that I got so I won this in the auction.
It's assigned clerks, three scripts signed by the whole cast,
so it's got Jason Muse, Kevin Smith, Dante and Randall
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both signed it. But he does all that stuff so
like and he does that to raise money for the
employees of the cinema. And then the second the first
time I met him was at an event they did
at Jane Sibob's secret stash where it was you went in,
(30:54):
you bought a stack of comics that he wrote. I
think it was Hit Girl. It was a few issues
of Hit Girl, and you got a ticket to meet
him and he would sign them for you. It was
like a meet and greet. It was supposed to go
and for like from noon to four, and by the
time four o'clock came around, we were like halfway through.
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We were like halfway back in the line we saw
had gotten inside. Because when you meet Kevin Smith, he
makes it a moment, not just not just because he
feels like he's obligated to, but because he wants to.
He gets very engaged. I remember my my wife and
I were talking to him about his Fraser podcast that
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he stopped doing. Like I kind of froze up because
this was my first time meetinghim the night, Like I
didn't know what to say, and she's like, what are
you gonna do more with that Fraser podcast? And he's like,
I know right, Like I love that show and I
wish we could, but my co host got busy working
on the Goldbergs. So like he makes it like I
was able to tell him, like, you inspired me to
do my podcasts, and I'm making my co host watch
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all of your films. We just did Chasing Amy like
all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
It's like, oh man, that's so awesome, thank you so much,
and like let's get a picture. Like he's very invested
in you as a person. When you meet him, he's like, hey, man,
how are you Like.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
It's it's very it's very pleasant to see and I
and Jason muses is the same way I met him
in Richmond. Actually the day that I got the job
for Victims, i met him. It was it was right
before coronavirus. Coronavirus virus was a thing. So like you
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had Luke from Gilmore Girls doing fist pumps for coronavirus,
and you had LaVar bur and wearing a mask and
will we not shaking hands? But then Jason Music like yeah,
come here man, like hugging you and like getting all
in your face for selfies, taking your phone, like yeah,
let's get some pictures like that. That's just who he is.
Like they're both very personable and they're not shy. And
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I it's very it's always a pleasant experience seeing those guys.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
That's awesome. One day I will as my goal to
meet Kevin Smith. Also, I think both of our goals
to get Victims to do something. It's podcasts eventually, but
going I want to go back to that, going back
to the film and looking at it from a mental
health perspective. I think the one of the lines that
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of dialogue that really stuck out to me is movies
make the world make sense. And this film is not
necessarily just a coming of age story, but it's it's
Brian's our protagonist, his relationship to the medium of films
and why they're special to him, and why he cares
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so much about them, and why he sees everything and
why he wants to talk about everything, And there's a
there's a very heavy implication of the medium of film
and its mental health implications on its viewers. And I
think a lot of people can watch movies and have
it just like oh man, that was an awesome movie
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that was entertaining, so and so forth. I have, especially
since starting Victims, there has been several films for me
that I got into talking about films because it benefited
my mental health, and now even critiquing films. There are
several films that have found in the journey of Victims
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that have just validated a lot of the mental health
feelings that I have, whether that is more recently like
you know, the front Room or Clock from last year,
or even the themes that are here in the four
thirty movie I think this movie does a really good
job at exploring that as well.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah, I know from a personal experience the last there
was a movie that made me cry in theaters last year.
I'll just I'll just tell the whole thing. When I
saw Guardians of Galaxy three, it was just over a
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year after I lost my grandfather. So when you had
spoilers for Guardings the Galaxy three, when you had Peter
Quill come back to Earth and be like, hey, Grandpa,
I lost it in the theater, Like I absolutely lost it,
like just completely, never cried so ugly in my life,
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especially in public. And since then, whenever I hear dog
Days are over, I've gotten emotional thinking back to that scene.
And recently things have happened in my life that I realized,
(36:05):
like that moment where I lost it in the theater
wasn't just about my grandpa. And I don't want to
get into too much of the details of that, but
I had an epiphany a few weeks ago when that
song came on in my car where I was like, oh,
there was more to that than I realized, and I
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should talk to my therapist about that. But it's just
the connection between the movies and the mental health journey
for me has always been connected through music mostly, but
like there were movies that I will put on when
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I've had a bad day just to relax, like put
it on the background or commit myself to watching it,
just just to be in my happy place. Like if
you look around my house, like my walls are decorated
with movie posters. My office is the same way. And
I'm very particular about the posters I hang up, like
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there are movies that mean a lot to me, or
the posters, like the posters that look cool. I'm very
picky about what I have, but what I have in display,
like I have a bunch that I won't ever hang up.
But but it's good to know that I have the
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Superman four Quest for Peace poster. It's like, yeah, I
can look at like the one that I have on
my basement door right now is Spider Man two. I
can look at that poster and just it calms me down.
It's just Spider Man with a mask off looking over
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the city. It's like, Okay, just take a minute, breathe,
It'll be okay. You are vindicated or are selfish, you
are wrong, but it's like yeah, like movies are a
great escape. Like I know people who if they're having
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a bad day and need to fall asleep, they'll put
a movie on in the background, like that one movie
they'll just watch on repeat. And there's nothing wrong with that. Like,
I think movies are a great way to relax and
can be very therapeutic.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, there's a there's a like a small list of
films that I have that are comfort films, And depending
on what mood I'm in, or like what emotion I'm feeling,
it will gravitate like what I put on. And I
think that's just the I think that speaks to the
power of film. I think that speaks to it's not
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just entertainment. It's not just something that we watch to escape,
but it's these things that drike us and transport us
to other worlds, you know, and that all allow us
to align with heroes or villains or themes that are
within the movie or scores, or you know, it's a
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number of other things or or one lines. You know,
Like there are a number of reasons why watching a
film to be beneficial for your mental health, you know,
in between therapy sessions.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Yeah, and it's not just film, like television is the
same way. Books can be the same way. Like whatever,
I think, whatever you find comfort in, as long as
it's a healthy expression is healthy. Like there are definitely
unhealthy ways of finding comfort, but I don't think I
don't think art is a bad way to do it,
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whether that's books, music, movies, television, shows, video games, whatever
you find comfort in, as long as you're not hurting
yourself or hurting others, like that's there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
And again, you know, even even like switching bringing it
back to four thirty movie and switching gears, you look
at the Bernie character and for him, the way that
Brian was to movies you had, Bernie was to major
murder the Sam Richardson character, And there's a great scene
between the two of them where it's this really heartfelt
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moment and he's just kind of being like like, dude,
you're like by entire world, like you know, role model,
I love you, you know, and it's just this kind of
this really like sweet a moment where he kind of
has a side like an epiphany. But again, you got
to get to see what it's like when for his
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character and his mental health journey in this movie.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
What I liked about the major murder thing. And I'm
wondering now if everything I just said about Kemen Smith
applies to this. It's like you don't always know the
persona behind the the person behind the person like you
don't really, I don't, like I can talk all about
like what I know about Kemi Smith as a podcaster,
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a filmmaker and creator, but I don't know him as
a person, like I've never I've never sat down and
had dinner with him or had a drink or back
when he smoked smoked with him. I don't know him intimately,
but I know what he puts out there and I
and I feel like from the few interactions I've had
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with him, it's very very close to the chest, like
it's very very he does take things very personally. And
but there there is that side of people that you
don't know because they did it. A lot of think
some of it is just a front, like you yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
So before we do ratings, I have a trivia question
for you. As a centophile, do you actually know what
the four point thirty movie actually refers to in terms
of history?
Speaker 2 (42:05):
I do not.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Enlighten me, so mostly it's a new York thing. But
given how close New York and Jersey are, it's very,
very possible that Smith also experienced this.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Well real quick, like you can see Manhattan from Atlantic Islands.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Oh, fair enough. Yeah, So the four point thirty was
actually a television program that aired weekday afternoons on a
WABC TV or Channel seven in New York from nineteen
sixty eight to nineteen eighty one. There's also a great
podcast discussing the history of this program as well.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Okay, very cool. It's not a trivia question, but I
have a question for you. As a movie goer in cinephile,
have you ever theater jumped?
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Yes? Yes, I had a friend that used to work
in the Regal where I grew up in and we
would sometimes just spend days there and we'd get one
ticket and then we'd go over to see another ticket.
So yes I have.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
I don't think I ever did. I think. The closest
I came to it was I saw this was in
a high school. I saw I went on a date
to see Eagle eyewa hyal abuff and then they were
also showing the one of the final performances of Rent
on Broadway like a Fathom Events. So we ended up
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doing like a double feature. But I don't think we
I think we paid for both tickets. I don't think
we theater jumped.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
I think so. The only time that I've ever done
it was we bought tickets for I don't remember. It
was like it was some just friends or something like that.
It's probably not, though, because it's a little bit time.
But we snuck in to see Ninja Assassins. We weren't
of age yet and went to see it, and it
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was it was great to see a bunch of let
on the big screen.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
Yeah, I think I'm not gonna say that. Never mind,
that's gonna it's gonna make a joke that might get
us in trouble.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
So all right, well, let's run this one through the
rorshack rating scale zero to five halves are allowed. Where
would this rank for you? Where? Where would this rank
on the Rorschack breeds go for you? One? Two? Where
would this rank in the lineup of Heaven Smith movies?
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Now that this one is officially.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Out, I'm gonna give this a solid Let me give
it a four. Okay, I'm gonna give it a four. Uh.
In this grand scheme of thing, uh greend scheme of
Kevin Smith Films. I will say this is just above
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mid mid tier. Think I want to put this super low.
I want to put a super high, but just a
little bit on the higher side of the mid.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
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about mid tier, for me, I probably would talk about
like Zach and Murray, maybe Mane Jane's, maybe Jay and
Solemn Bob Reboot. I'm gonna put that like in that category.
So I'm also gonna give us someone three. There's a
lot to love here. There's a very very well written scripts.
(46:37):
But I think for me, like overall, like there's just
a lot more like Heaven Smith films that I've really
come to love and appreciate.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Oh yeah, Like, what is your favorite Kevin Smith film
of all time?
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Chasing Amy?
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Chasing Amy? Okay, for me, it's probably Dogma, as I
have that. I have that poster write over there. I
don't have it hanging up. I need to get a
frame for it. Dogma's up there. Clerks too, I think
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it is one of the best, like one of my
favorites of his, having been stuck in a job I
didn't like for years, and I like identifying with Dante
and Randall in that one. And then I'm also a
fan of Marats.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Maul Rats is a lot of fun I've heard like
Malrats is like the one that I also haven't seen
cop Out, so I know that cop Out.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
Is cop out doesn't count in the in the grand
scheme of things. Things like when I saw Kevin Smith films,
I'm talking about once he wrote and direct, because a
lot like that's the outlier, Like that's the one where
he didn't really do the script.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
So I will say, go ahead, I I haven't seen
it either.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
I own it, but I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
So I will say the other two and I will
say to put this in my top three because I
am a horror fan. I really loved Redline. It hit
on a lot of like the Red State. Yeah, I'm
looking beliterately right at it. I really loved that, just
the themes that that thing freaking does. It seems like
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it's such a talk about outliers in his filmography. This
one's like probably the bleakest film he's ever done, and
I love it just kind of being like an exploration
of like religious extremism. It's such a freaking great movie.
And Clerks three, man, I just was not to this day,
like I just was not expecting to come out of
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Clerks three rying and again it also brings back to
the you know that that final scene like again just
bringing back like the power of film. The exploration of
like how it how it impacts our mental health? Yeah yeah,
all right, Well, you guys can see the four thirty
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movie for yourselves. Check your local listenings when it opens
up in theaters this Friday, September thirteenth. But Alan, where
can people find you online? Where can people follow your podcast?
Speaker 2 (49:20):
People can find you have to watch this podcast that
I do with my friends Devin and Ryan, where we
make each other watch movies every week that one of
us hasn't seen. You can find us on YouTube and
listen to us wherever you get your podcast. We go
live weekly with our shows and then we post them
in the podcast feeds later on. You can also find
(49:40):
me on Brilliant but Lazy right here on Victims and
Villains on our YouTube channel, where me and Josh Howe
will talk about all things nerd pop culture. We just
did Deadpool and Wolverine, and then we're working on some
fun ideas in the future.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Cool well worlds collide and you, guys, if you want
to hear another voice from me, you have to watch
this I recently did Devin Alice's co host was brought
and we did The Human Centipede two, which was surprisingly
really deep conversation ahead at biscazing.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Oh man, if you were gonna tell me you had
a deep conversation about Human Centipede two with anyone, my
first guest would be it was with Devon.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
It's yeah. I was like you just I Basically the
only thing I told him. I was like, bring me
a terrible horror movie to talk about, and he brought
us the Human Centipede. So two yeah, not even one,
two too too. Yeah. But you guys can find a
Bisgazing brilliant but lazy and Victims and Villains. Wherever you
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guys get your podcasts from, search up those different titles.
You guys can find us Victims and Villains. We are
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get your podcasts from, you guys can also support some
at patreon dot com forward slash Victims and Villains to
help our mental health education efforts. And once again, the
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four point thirty movie written and directed by Kevin Smith,
opens up in theaters from Sabah Films this Friday, September thirteenth.
So until next time, remember to stay classy.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
We forgot to talk about the ending of the movie.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
Oh yeah, we'll talk about that right now.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
Yeah, you gonna have to edit this back in so
real quick before before we wrap this up, let's talk
about the ending of the movie, because I know you
had some thoughts on it. What were your thoughts of
the stinger?
Speaker 1 (51:45):
I hated that they put that stinger in. It made
me I really wish that they would have made this
a Clerk's prequel almost and I didn't realize that until
that final shot.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
What I appreciate about that final shot of Brian and
all of them looking at the quick Stop from Clerks
is that if this movie is the autobiography, like the
memoir of Kevin Smith, like that that's his journey, Like
he went from going to the movies all the time
to having to get a job, and he got a
job at the quick Stop and that set him on
his journey to make Clerks and make everything that we
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know now. So I appreciated that you have this, You
have Brian talking about his love of film, his passionate
for storytelling and going to the movies and then having
to get a job and having to go into the
real world and having it go into Clerks. Like maybe
there's a fire thirty movie where it's it's him working
at the quick stop, and you can also but you
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can also look at it as the cycle repeats, like
it's everything's a circle, everything comes back around, so like
he goes into the quick stop and then everything happens again,
so he makes clerks, he goes off and does everything
that we know Kevin Smith did.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
And like again, I think, I don't I don't have
the deep connection or I don't the knowledge that you
have when it comes to Kevin Smith. So for me,
like it, I think the best way that I can
equate this to is if you for those that have
seen the first Omen, you know that that film is
largely removed from the Damien Thorn like legacy until it's
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finale where they shoehorned in Damien, and it kind of
just that's what it felt like to me.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
For me, it's more along the lines of this is
a story based on my life, and this is what
happened next, Like this is what got me to the
quick Stop to the journey that I'm on.
Speaker 1 (53:51):
Now that's fair.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
And that's how that's how I took it.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
And from that like way, like I could, I can
get behind it. It just not knowing, not having that knowledge.
It didn't. It just kind of felt really weird and
kind of shoewarned in. So all right, maybe go read
Kevin Smith's autobiography.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
Yeah, listen to the audiobook too, like, or just listen
to Kevin like you listen to any podcast. I guarantee
he's gonna tell tell the story of like his heart attack,
or like he he likes to repeat stories, so if
you listen to him long enough, you'll hear every story again.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
So that's true, that's fair. So yeah, all right, that's it.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
Uh, computer, stop music upstairs. I didn't find anything called
upstairs that can play music to play on your speaker
Hey, Welcome to the Victims and Villain's Podcasts, a podcast
extension of the nonprofit that creates content like what you're
listening to right now to talk about mental health through
pop culture. And there's that time once again where we
have a new Kevin Smith movie to talk about. My
name is Josh and today I am joined by fellow podcaster.
(00:28):
He is the host of the He's the co host
of the podcast. You have to watch this podcast as
well as our very own brilliant but lazy mister Allen
fram Well. When I got the offer to do this movie,
there was no one else that I could ever see this.
Do it this with UH.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
In the words of Jay of Jay and Silent Bob'snoochie Bouchiees.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
We're talking about the latest UH from Kevin Smith. The
movie is called the four point thirty Movie. How would
you describe this movie?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I would describe this movie as Kevin Smith bought a
movie theater and wanted to use it for a movie.
I would describe this movie as Kevin Smith taking a
look at his teenage years, doing a film based on
his early life when he was going to the movies
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all the time, and how he fell in love with cinema.
That's how I would describe this.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
We'll get to it eventually, but this movie does have
a post credit scene that are really have strong feelings about,
and I want to talk about it when we get
to spoilers. But I thought this movie was okay. I
didn't love this movie. I didn't hate it. It just
kind of felt like very mid middle of the line
(01:52):
for me, kind of on the same wavelength that Zach
and Mury fell for me. So I'm curious to hear
what you thought about it.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
It's not Kevin Smith's best, but I will say it's
probably his best recently.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Whereas you have a lot like he's he's already making
another Jane Sonthent Bob movie for next year. Uh, Clerks,
this is this is Let me rephrase that because I
just remember. I just remember Clerk's three came out two
years ago, and I love Clerks three. Clerks three is
one of the best films Kevin Smith films he's ever made.
This is the best Kevin Smith film outside of the
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Viewisk Universe recently, because you look back at some of
the other stuff he's done outside of Jane and Soment,
Bob and outside of Clerks, It's Yoga hoss in Tusk,
Red State. The Red State is going back like a
decade though or more. Yeah, It's like it's like, yeah,
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it's but this this is what Kevin Smith does best.
I he does very good at telling a story that's
not super heightened. I think the Jaysum and Bob stuff
is very exaggerated, very comical. This is very grounded and
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very down to earth. There are moments that are a
little bit extra for their joke. Alan Adam Pally's lot
moments in particular coming to mind. But I'm gonna name
drop everyone in this in this movie because I recognized
everyone who showed up. But it's it's grounded, it's very
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it reminds me a lot of Chasing Amy. It's very personal,
it's very heartfelt, but also still keeps that comedy, that
keeps that sense of humor and nerdiness, which I like
it does.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
And this feels very much like a Kevin Smith film
coming into the the idea of him doing a not
only an eighties film, but a coming of age film
that really is made for nerds like him that are sentophiles,
that really cling to these types of that specific type
of media. I thought that the sequence between Brian David
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and the Usher was like a very touching moment. I
really did like the like the major murder stuff in
this one. Sam Richardson is incredible. He stole the scene
for me the very few that he's gotten this one.
I'm a huge Richardson fan, so anything he shows up
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in I'm automatically excited for. I think overall, like, I
think this is like far from his best, but there's
a lot of great things that are really liked about it.
And I think there are elements the disappointments I have
in this film. I just kind of wish that they
were areas of this areas of the narrative that felt
like more heightened or expanded upon than just kind of
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the way that they're presented in this one.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I the movie moves very fast. Kevin Smith is very
good at only filming what he's going to use because
he's his own editor, and I think that that shows
in a lot of his work recently, the Clerks, Jane's
on Bob Reboot. He just did a project with Logic.
(05:27):
I think that he edited so like he knows he
knows how to edit, and this is a very tight film.
There's there's no there's no fat that needs to be trimmed,
And I can always appreciate that in a story like
this is what the story he wanted to tell, and
tells it the way he wants to. I as a
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as a cinephile, as somebody who loves going to the movies,
as somebody who when I heard Kevin Smith was doing
this project and buy like buying a movie theater and
making a movie there. I've been excited for this movie
for a while and I got to say, like, I'm
not disappointed in it. This is exactly what I expected
this movie to be, if not a little bit better
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because having seen Yoga Hoss and like knowing the heightened
level of comedy and silliness that those movies that movie has,
Like you never know with Kevin Smith what you're going
to get. And I think since his heart attack and
since his his mental health crisis last year, like this
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is this is a new Kevin Smith, Like this is
a more grounded, more down to earth Kevin Smith, and
I am really curious to see where he goes from here.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I would argue with that notion. The so this movie
got me to knock off a lot of Kevin Smith
lind spots that I had, So I went back and
I watched films that I have been meaning to watch
for a long time. The only one that like, at
this point as this recording, I haven't seen his Malts.
This movie made me feel kind of like this feels
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like his nineties era like this, and Clerks feels like
that very personal to where it turns this very grounded storytelling.
So you have that grounded aspect of Clerks in here,
but you also have that personalness of the chasing Amy,
which the Silent Bob monologue in that movie's freaking incredible.
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But then you also kind of have the very cinematic
moments of like Dogma, So it feels like it feels
very much like it has the lifeblood of here. And
I love how they have that like a little bit
of that grindhouse feel to it, where the boys get
into their get into the theater and you get to
see these fake trailers for the movies Sister Sugar Walls,
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which is a nun splitation film, the health Nut, which
is a slasher, and then Booties, which is a Goolies ripoff.
And I love how he hits every one of those
notes that are just like these, like ridiculous eighties horror
things in this of age story.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Yeah, I really appreciated the fake movie trailers in the movie,
but I couldn't help but think, like, which one of
these is actually gonna make? Like he's gonna, like I
know him, He's gonna go through and make one of these.
It is probably gonna be the one where his daughter's
the nun.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
One can hope. Out of all three of these, this
is the one that I wanted the most. Probably the
Booties would come would come next, but the Sister Sugar
Walls is definitely the one that I personally want because
I love nun exploitation.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
The weirdest part about the movie theater, like the stuff
on screen, for me, was they just added the Drew
Carey Show to streaming on Flex TV. So I've been
watching that and then seeing datrich Bader on screen. Beaver,
It's like, that's not Oswald, Like what happened to Oswald?
(09:06):
How do you feel?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Like?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
So you you've been you're catching up on the Kevin
Smith feeling in the holes. I'm I've been deep in
Kevin Smith for a while now. I phrased that wrong,
but I'm gonna leave it there. I I've I know
Kevin Smith very well from podcasting and his films, and
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like I listened to a lot of his podcasts, and
I know a lot of the people that showed up
in this movie from other things that he's done in
his podcasting. How do you feel about the did you
how many of the cameos in this did you recognize?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I recognized pretty much all of them, Like I have
the IMDb list pulled up now, Like justin Long showing
up as Stank, I thought was a was a really
memorable one. Like I've I've already mentioned the Sisters sugar Wall,
but you know, there was that really long period in
Smith's career where there was that beef between him and
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Jeff Anderson. So seeing him seeing Anderson kind of be
show up in a cameo was a really rewarding thing.
I loved, of course seeing Jason Muse. Jason Biggs had
one of the best sequences. Zario Dawson was was great
in this movie for the brief time that she was
on here. The one that I got a real kick
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out of was was ming Chen from Comic Book Men
showing up at the beginning as the as the father
method man showing up was really cool. I'm trying to
I've already betched Sam Richardson. But there's another one that
I'm like, there's another cameo that showed up that I
can't remember, and it's like it's killing me right now. Oh,
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Katie Muchetti, Yeah, that.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
One as Melody's mom. Yeah. One of the things, like
I love seeing everyone show up to play with Kevin
Smith because it just makes you know that people want
to work with him, like they enjoy doing things with him.
Like there's no reason for Razaro Dawson to have the
brief cameme that she does in this but she shows up.
(11:18):
She she comes to play, and that that says a
lot about Kevin Smith as an artist, Like people want
to come out to New Jersey for a day to
shoot a cameo and his stuff, which I think speaks
a lot about his character and about about the stories
that he's trying to tell. I want to talk a
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little bit about the setting of this movie, Okay, because
I have I have I have stories.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
We're for listeners. Alan has actually been to this theater, Yeah,
I have not.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
That's that's the story I want to tell because there's
two there's two fronts of this. I went out to
that feat to the smat Castle Cinemas in Atlantic Highlands,
New Jersey, which is the theater that this place this
film takes place in. They changed the name for the movie.
I forget what it is so like Atlantic something Atlantic Cinemas.
(12:13):
I think I think that's what the name it was
it was before he bought it. But I went out
to see the director's cut of Jersey Girl. Is that
is that a Kevin Smith film that you have seen
or not?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, it's been a couple of years, but yes, I've
seen it.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
The director's cut the or has he built it when
he showed it?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
There?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
The the Snyder cut of Jersey Girl. It is probably
the most emotional Kevin Smith film I've ever seen. It's
very heartbreaking and like it's very emotional, it's very it's
very good. Like I really hope that they get to
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release it.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
It released the extend to cut here soon for audiences
to see. But now that ben Affleck and Jalo had
broke it are divorcing again, but probably not.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Ah, anything is possible at this point.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
But when you go into like when you go into
the cinema, like the movie theater that he owns, it's
very clear that he loves movies. He loves movie theaters
because he's put a lot of work in that theater.
I had never been there before he bought it, but
he They decorated the walls with a bunch of art
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from all of his films. So there's like different posters
from Dogma lighting the walls. When you go to the
concession stand, there's a letter from Ben Affleck thanking him
for Dogma. There's a mural on the wall of every
movie star or celebrity from New Jersey. So it's he
didn't just boy Like I made the joke that he
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bought this theater to make this movie, That's not why
he did it. He did it because he loves cinema.
He loves this This space is like a sacred place
to him, and going there it shows, and I think
it also shows in this movie because it it's very
nice to it might it must be very nice to
be able to be like, I have this space that
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was very dear to me in my childhood, and I
want to tell that story, and I have the means
of telling that story now, and I'm going to ask
my friends to come out and play and as a
as a storyteller, as a filmmaker, like that's gotta be
the best feeling, and like because I'm so envious to that,
because like my childhood movie theater, the one at the
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Chambersburg Mall is gone like that that that mall is
abandoned now. The only other theater that's even close a
close second to that is a drive in theater, which
is still open and I can still go to. But like,
this is a love love letter to his childhood watching
movies and knowing what I know from his podcasts, that
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was a big thing he did with his dad. And
I can guarantee that that the the story arc with
his mother calling the movie theater probably happened to him
as a kid. Because this, this is this is probably
the most autobiog auto This is the closest to autobiography
we're going to get from Kevin Smith.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
I thank you for the rape. Thank you for the
reminder about Rachel Directus cameo on this, because I totally
forgot about that. She's just had me in absolute tears.
The just the back and forth between her and Jim
kem Kimmune, Jun Jung Jung terrible with names, manager Mike.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah, Ken Jeong, Kim Jeong Yeah. Story Wise, this is
pretty much an eighties movie, Like this is straight out
of the eighties. This is very much just almost I
want to say, it's the it's very John Hughes like.
(16:12):
It very much feels like that you could put Molly
Ringwald in this movie, in John Cryer, and it would fit.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
That mold it does. It fits it very well. I
think the biggest problem that I have is I would
have liked a little maybe like ten minutes more to
kind of like explore some of the relationships, because some
of the relationships kind of feel like almost like jokes
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in a way. But then you have that, like there's
a moment in the movie where the jokes kind of
become serious and there's like an analytical analysis of the
three main characters that is very good sequence in this.
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And I don't want to say it does feel earned.
It's just I would have liked to kind of see
that a little bit more developed, a little bit more,
because by the time we reached that, we're essentially in
and out of the movie theater. You know, hygiens kind
of take place, and this is they're very it's very fun.
But when you're looking at it from like a more
critical perspective, I would have liked to see some of
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those relationships kind of expanded upon or even developed a
little bit more.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, the movie focuses on the three main got three
main teenage boys in this, so Brian, Belly, and Bernie.
I feel like the dynamic between Brian and Bernie is
very much explored, but Belly is just kind of there.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah, Belly's just kind of not to cut you off.
He feels like going back to that sequence I was
talking about, he feels like he is just there simply
to kind of be the punchline and the comic relief
that re essentially that connects Brian and Bernie, like the
bridge between the two.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Which I've been in uh friendship dynamics where that sometimes
that is the case, and that's not all Like even
in dynamics where that is the case, that's not one
hundred percent of the time. Like, if you want to
see that dynamic come once, you have to watch this
podcast where I'm the glue that that brings Devin and
Ryan together. But yeah, they there's the and there. What
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I thought was interesting about the Bernie Brian angle was
Bernie's very jealous of Brian focusing on Melody Bernard, what
was it, Barnegut. Yeah, yeah, he's very very focused on
Brian's obsession with this girl, and it's jealousy. It's like,
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it's exploring what it's like to grow up and like
step away from your friends and relationship dynamics changing, because
that's what happens over time, is relationships friendships change and
you either can grow with them and change with them
or you go your separate way is And I think
this film does a really good job of exploring what
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that looks like in a in a teenage boy friendship.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, that's that's that's a good analysis. So to two
points I'll make off of that. It the dynamic between
those two the melody or Melody Brian and Bernie almost
kind of feels like a more youthful, maybe a little
bit less not as mature version of the Alyssa Holden
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and Banky character dynamics from Chasing Amy. Okay, And I
say that because of the final scene in that movie
before the one year mark, kind of just with that
analyst and with the belly argument, it's kind of backs
up your point. But that is a very good way
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of exploring it and good way of kind of stating
it is, you know some of the some people experience that,
and I was. I feel like I can't speak to
that because I was fortunate that as like relationships with girlfriends,
past girlfriends came and went like it never had to
cost me anything because they were always kind of supportive
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and along for the ride, and that's not always the case,
you know, or they're jealousy.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I can say from personal experience that there were friends
that I had when I was like Brian's age that
I am no longer friends with because we went our
separate ways and I don't know, I don't know what happened.
But my best guess is, you know, I don't know.
(20:54):
I don't know what happened. We went our separate ways,
and that's fine, that's part of life. But the friends
that I do still have from those those days are
near and dear to my heart. I do a podcast
with one of them weekly. I would just at another
one's wedding over the summer, and since then him and
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I have reconnected a lot and talked a lot more
since then, and it's like the friendships that are meant
to last last, and I think the relationships that are
meant to last last.
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I've always kind of looked at relationships in you know,
a couple of different ways where you have and now
with the rays of social media, you can add another
one in there to where you have people that you
maybe are work colleagues or maybe they've been podcast guests
in the past or whatever have you, and you know
you're just kind of how you're like not quite a
(23:39):
colleague but not quite a friend, Like you kind of
operate that middle spart and then somewhere along the lines,
there's a moment that happens where the two of you
face real shit together and that becomes friendship. And that
becomes a relationship that is going to essentially be a
lifelong you know, harder and going off of what you're saying,
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like I I some of the best relationships that I've
have now are post you know, a school, post you know, graduation,
and just looking at the people that I talk to
every day are people that I've just I've been in
the trenches with and they're the type of people that
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I continue to want to fight with and want them
to fight with me. And I think that Smith does
a really good job at capturing the honesty of what
that looks like, especially growing up, because I feel like
it's it's one of those things that I feel personally
that I took for granted growing up, where I've had
relationships and it was so easy to make friends, but
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as an adult, it you'd be hard to do that,
And you know, I think they capture that really well.
To kind of see the dynamic of where their stories
go throughout the course of the film and then where
they end up in the end is a very genuine
picture of what it's like to be someone's friends and
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endoor it it's not just always butterflies and rainbows. It
sometimes it means getting in dirty and fighting for the
people he love.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, And I think going back to the whole talking
about all the cameos and stuff in this like there's
a lot to be said about found family. And I
think looking at everyone who shows up in this movie
for a day, for a scene, for a moment, for
a cameo, like that's Kevin Smith's found family, like he
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has he has all of his friends, Like there's a
reason that all his movies take place, like most of
his movies take place in one universe because everyone wants
to come back and play. And I think he's very
very good at getting people involved and working with the
people he wants to work with. But I know, I know,
talking about the cinema, like he his manager who runs
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the cinema, Ernie McDonald or Ernie o'donald. He was one
of his friends growing up, like the went to the
movies with him. I think he's one of the trio
from this movie. Like I don't know which one, probably
Belly if I had to guess, but it's it's very
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The biggest takeaway I had from this movie is wanting
to tell a personal story on this level because I
have I have film experience. I've done worked on projects
for other people. It's been years since I've done anything
for myself, and that I think the highest compliment I
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can give anything film wise is inspiring others to create,
and Kevin Smith does that very well, not only here
but in his podcast. Like he's always been very adamant
about just go make the thing, which is why I'm
on so many podcasts because I just keep making the thing.
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But I think that's the biggest takeaway from this, is
like being able to be vulnerable and tell your personal
story and have fun with it, like putting yourself out there,
because there are moments in this that, like the mom stuff,
if that happened, Like he's putting that out there for
the world to know. Like it's like there's things in
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here that you have to be vulnerable to share with people.
And I think he's very open about his life heart
attack and post mental health crisis, and I think he's
become a better storyteller for that.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I think this is one like building off of that.
I think in the grand scheme of Kevin Smith films,
this is one that feels like, like you said, like
he made this for himself, because when you look at
his previous film, Clerks Three. People had been asking for
that film for so long, and when he went through
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his like little horror phase in the early twenty tens,
it was because a lot of people had been you know,
what would happen if Kevin Smith made a horror film?
And so you got Red State, Tusk, and Yoga Hoss
and it's this really kind of really interesting turn for
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him as a storyteller. But again it came at the
height of everyone wanting to see him tackle that genre.
And I remember when Red State and Tusk both came
out himself, he was a huge, massive deal that here
you had Kevin Smith tackling something that was outside of
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his wheelhouse, but it was in the vein of horror,
being a horror fan himself. And I think for this film,
this is a really personal film. This is a film
that he really wanted to make. And it's I am
very envious of Kevin Smith, as I think we both are,
and probably many people listening that he has essentially taken
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a career, made a butt ton of friends, and just
continues to tell great stories and personal stories like.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
This, and I think it says a lot about him
as a storyteller that he can inspire people to be creative,
whether through podcasting or films, like have you met Kevin Smith?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
No, I have not.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
I have twice kind of. The second time was at
the theater when he did the screening of Jersey Girl.
They do before the show, he does any any show
you go to it Podcastle Cinemas, they do an auction
and they take different memorabilia, things that he's had, different
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things like posters and things that he gets signed and
he auctions them off. I have I have something here
that I got so I won this in the auction.
It's assigned clerks, three scripts signed by the whole cast,
so it's got Jason Muse, Kevin Smith, Dante and Randall
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both signed it. But he does all that stuff so
like and he does that to raise money for the
employees of the cinema. And then the second the first
time I met him was at an event they did
at Jane Sibob's secret stash where it was you went in,
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you bought a stack of comics that he wrote. I
think it was Hit Girl. It was a few issues
of Hit Girl, and you got a ticket to meet
him and he would sign them for you. It was
like a meet and greet. It was supposed to go
and for like from noon to four, and by the
time four o'clock came around, we were like halfway through.
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We were like halfway back in the line we saw
had gotten inside. Because when you meet Kevin Smith, he
makes it a moment, not just not just because he
feels like he's obligated to, but because he wants to.
He gets very engaged. I remember my my wife and
I were talking to him about his Fraser podcast that
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he stopped doing. Like I kind of froze up because
this was my first time meetinghim the night, Like I
didn't know what to say, and she's like, what are
you gonna do more with that Fraser podcast? And he's like,
I know right, Like I love that show and I
wish we could, but my co host got busy working
on the Goldbergs. So like he makes it like I
was able to tell him, like, you inspired me to
do my podcasts, and I'm making my co host watch
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all of your films. We just did Chasing Amy like
all this stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
It's like, oh man, that's so awesome, thank you so much,
and like let's get a picture. Like he's very invested
in you as a person. When you meet him, he's like, hey, man,
how are you Like.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
It's it's very it's very pleasant to see and I
and Jason muses is the same way I met him
in Richmond. Actually the day that I got the job
for Victims, i met him. It was it was right
before coronavirus. Coronavirus virus was a thing. So like you
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had Luke from Gilmore Girls doing fist pumps for coronavirus,
and you had LaVar bur and wearing a mask and
will we not shaking hands? But then Jason Music like yeah,
come here man, like hugging you and like getting all
in your face for selfies, taking your phone, like yeah,
let's get some pictures like that. That's just who he is.
Like they're both very personable and they're not shy. And
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I it's very it's always a pleasant experience seeing those guys.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
That's awesome. One day I will as my goal to
meet Kevin Smith. Also, I think both of our goals
to get Victims to do something. It's podcasts eventually, but
going I want to go back to that, going back
to the film and looking at it from a mental
health perspective. I think the one of the lines that
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of dialogue that really stuck out to me is movies
make the world make sense. And this film is not
necessarily just a coming of age story, but it's it's
Brian's our protagonist, his relationship to the medium of films
and why they're special to him, and why he cares
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so much about them, and why he sees everything and
why he wants to talk about everything, And there's a
there's a very heavy implication of the medium of film
and its mental health implications on its viewers. And I
think a lot of people can watch movies and have
it just like oh man, that was an awesome movie
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that was entertaining, so and so forth. I have, especially
since starting Victims, there has been several films for me
that I got into talking about films because it benefited
my mental health, and now even critiquing films. There are
several films that have found in the journey of Victims
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that have just validated a lot of the mental health
feelings that I have, whether that is more recently like
you know, the front Room or Clock from last year,
or even the themes that are here in the four
thirty movie I think this movie does a really good
job at exploring that as well.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah, I know from a personal experience the last there
was a movie that made me cry in theaters last year.
I'll just I'll just tell the whole thing. When I
saw Guardians of Galaxy three, it was just over a
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year after I lost my grandfather. So when you had
spoilers for Guardings the Galaxy three, when you had Peter
Quill come back to Earth and be like, hey, Grandpa,
I lost it in the theater, Like I absolutely lost it,
like just completely, never cried so ugly in my life,
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especially in public. And since then, whenever I hear dog
Days are over, I've gotten emotional thinking back to that scene.
And recently things have happened in my life that I realized,
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like that moment where I lost it in the theater
wasn't just about my grandpa. And I don't want to
get into too much of the details of that, but
I had an epiphany a few weeks ago when that
song came on in my car where I was like, oh,
there was more to that than I realized, and I
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should talk to my therapist about that. But it's just
the connection between the movies and the mental health journey
for me has always been connected through music mostly, but
like there were movies that I will put on when
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I've had a bad day just to relax, like put
it on the background or commit myself to watching it,
just just to be in my happy place. Like if
you look around my house, like my walls are decorated
with movie posters. My office is the same way. And
I'm very particular about the posters I hang up, like
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there are movies that mean a lot to me, or
the posters, like the posters that look cool. I'm very
picky about what I have, but what I have in display,
like I have a bunch that I won't ever hang up.
But but it's good to know that I have the
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Superman four Quest for Peace poster. It's like, yeah, I
can look at like the one that I have on
my basement door right now is Spider Man two. I
can look at that poster and just it calms me down.
It's just Spider Man with a mask off looking over
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the city. It's like, Okay, just take a minute, breathe,
It'll be okay. You are vindicated or are selfish, you
are wrong, but it's like yeah, like movies are a
great escape. Like I know people who if they're having
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a bad day and need to fall asleep, they'll put
a movie on in the background, like that one movie
they'll just watch on repeat. And there's nothing wrong with that. Like,
I think movies are a great way to relax and
can be very therapeutic.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, there's a there's a like a small list of
films that I have that are comfort films, And depending
on what mood I'm in, or like what emotion I'm feeling,
it will gravitate like what I put on. And I
think that's just the I think that speaks to the
power of film. I think that speaks to it's not
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just entertainment. It's not just something that we watch to escape,
but it's these things that drike us and transport us
to other worlds, you know, and that all allow us
to align with heroes or villains or themes that are
within the movie or scores, or you know, it's a
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number of other things or or one lines. You know,
Like there are a number of reasons why watching a
film to be beneficial for your mental health, you know,
in between therapy sessions.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Yeah, and it's not just film, like television is the
same way. Books can be the same way. Like whatever,
I think, whatever you find comfort in, as long as
it's a healthy expression is healthy. Like there are definitely
unhealthy ways of finding comfort, but I don't think I
don't think art is a bad way to do it,
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whether that's books, music, movies, television, shows, video games, whatever
you find comfort in, as long as you're not hurting
yourself or hurting others, like that's there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
And again, you know, even even like switching bringing it
back to four thirty movie and switching gears, you look
at the Bernie character and for him, the way that
Brian was to movies you had, Bernie was to major
murder the Sam Richardson character, And there's a great scene
between the two of them where it's this really heartfelt
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moment and he's just kind of being like like, dude,
you're like by entire world, like you know, role model,
I love you, you know, and it's just this kind of
this really like sweet a moment where he kind of
has a side like an epiphany. But again, you got
to get to see what it's like when for his
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character and his mental health journey in this movie.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
What I liked about the major murder thing. And I'm
wondering now if everything I just said about Kemen Smith
applies to this. It's like you don't always know the
persona behind the the person behind the person like you
don't really, I don't, like I can talk all about
like what I know about Kemi Smith as a podcaster,
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a filmmaker and creator, but I don't know him as
a person, like I've never I've never sat down and
had dinner with him or had a drink or back
when he smoked smoked with him. I don't know him intimately,
but I know what he puts out there and I
and I feel like from the few interactions I've had
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with him, it's very very close to the chest, like
it's very very he does take things very personally. And
but there there is that side of people that you
don't know because they did it. A lot of think
some of it is just a front, like you yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
So before we do ratings, I have a trivia question
for you. As a centophile, do you actually know what
the four point thirty movie actually refers to in terms
of history?
Speaker 2 (42:05):
I do not.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Enlighten me, so mostly it's a new York thing. But
given how close New York and Jersey are, it's very,
very possible that Smith also experienced this.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Well real quick, like you can see Manhattan from Atlantic Islands.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Oh, fair enough. Yeah, So the four point thirty was
actually a television program that aired weekday afternoons on a
WABC TV or Channel seven in New York from nineteen
sixty eight to nineteen eighty one. There's also a great
podcast discussing the history of this program as well.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Okay, very cool. It's not a trivia question, but I
have a question for you. As a movie goer in cinephile,
have you ever theater jumped?
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Yes? Yes, I had a friend that used to work
in the Regal where I grew up in and we
would sometimes just spend days there and we'd get one
ticket and then we'd go over to see another ticket.
So yes I have.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
I don't think I ever did. I think. The closest
I came to it was I saw this was in
a high school. I saw I went on a date
to see Eagle eyewa hyal abuff and then they were
also showing the one of the final performances of Rent
on Broadway like a Fathom Events. So we ended up
(43:36):
doing like a double feature. But I don't think we
I think we paid for both tickets. I don't think
we theater jumped.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
I think so. The only time that I've ever done
it was we bought tickets for I don't remember. It
was like it was some just friends or something like that.
It's probably not, though, because it's a little bit time.
But we snuck in to see Ninja Assassins. We weren't
of age yet and went to see it, and it
(44:01):
was it was great to see a bunch of let
on the big screen.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
Yeah, I think I'm not gonna say that. Never mind,
that's gonna it's gonna make a joke that might get
us in trouble.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
So all right, well, let's run this one through the
rorshack rating scale zero to five halves are allowed. Where
would this rank for you? Where? Where would this rank
on the Rorschack breeds go for you? One? Two? Where
would this rank in the lineup of Heaven Smith movies?
(44:33):
Now that this one is officially.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Out, I'm gonna give this a solid Let me give
it a four. Okay, I'm gonna give it a four. Uh.
In this grand scheme of thing, uh greend scheme of
Kevin Smith Films. I will say this is just above
(44:59):
mid mid tier. Think I want to put this super low.
I want to put a super high, but just a
little bit on the higher side of the mid.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
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depressed and the suicidal today. Yeah, so when I talk
(46:15):
about mid tier, for me, I probably would talk about
like Zach and Murray, maybe Mane Jane's, maybe Jay and
Solemn Bob Reboot. I'm gonna put that like in that category.
So I'm also gonna give us someone three. There's a
lot to love here. There's a very very well written scripts.
(46:37):
But I think for me, like overall, like there's just
a lot more like Heaven Smith films that I've really
come to love and appreciate.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Oh yeah, Like, what is your favorite Kevin Smith film
of all time?
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Chasing Amy?
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Chasing Amy? Okay, for me, it's probably Dogma, as I
have that. I have that poster write over there. I
don't have it hanging up. I need to get a
frame for it. Dogma's up there. Clerks too, I think
(47:12):
it is one of the best, like one of my
favorites of his, having been stuck in a job I
didn't like for years, and I like identifying with Dante
and Randall in that one. And then I'm also a
fan of Marats.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Maul Rats is a lot of fun I've heard like
Malrats is like the one that I also haven't seen
cop Out, so I know that cop Out.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
Is cop out doesn't count in the in the grand
scheme of things. Things like when I saw Kevin Smith films,
I'm talking about once he wrote and direct, because a
lot like that's the outlier, Like that's the one where
he didn't really do the script.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
So I will say, go ahead, I I haven't seen
it either.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
I own it, but I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
So I will say the other two and I will
say to put this in my top three because I
am a horror fan. I really loved Redline. It hit
on a lot of like the Red State. Yeah, I'm
looking beliterately right at it. I really loved that, just
the themes that that thing freaking does. It seems like
(48:23):
it's such a talk about outliers in his filmography. This
one's like probably the bleakest film he's ever done, and
I love it just kind of being like an exploration
of like religious extremism. It's such a freaking great movie.
And Clerks three, man, I just was not to this day,
like I just was not expecting to come out of
(48:46):
Clerks three rying and again it also brings back to
the you know that that final scene like again just
bringing back like the power of film. The exploration of
like how it how it impacts our mental health? Yeah yeah,
all right, Well, you guys can see the four thirty
(49:08):
movie for yourselves. Check your local listenings when it opens
up in theaters this Friday, September thirteenth. But Alan, where
can people find you online? Where can people follow your podcast?
Speaker 2 (49:20):
People can find you have to watch this podcast that
I do with my friends Devin and Ryan, where we
make each other watch movies every week that one of
us hasn't seen. You can find us on YouTube and
listen to us wherever you get your podcast. We go
live weekly with our shows and then we post them
in the podcast feeds later on. You can also find
(49:40):
me on Brilliant but Lazy right here on Victims and
Villains on our YouTube channel, where me and Josh Howe
will talk about all things nerd pop culture. We just
did Deadpool and Wolverine, and then we're working on some
fun ideas in the future.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Cool well worlds collide and you, guys, if you want
to hear another voice from me, you have to watch
this I recently did Devin Alice's co host was brought
and we did The Human Centipede two, which was surprisingly
really deep conversation ahead at biscazing.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Oh man, if you were gonna tell me you had
a deep conversation about Human Centipede two with anyone, my
first guest would be it was with Devon.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
It's yeah. I was like you just I Basically the
only thing I told him. I was like, bring me
a terrible horror movie to talk about, and he brought
us the Human Centipede. So two yeah, not even one,
two too too. Yeah. But you guys can find a
Bisgazing brilliant but lazy and Victims and Villains. Wherever you
(50:46):
guys get your podcasts from, search up those different titles.
You guys can find us Victims and Villains. We are
on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube. As Alan mentioned, wherever you guys
get your podcasts from, you guys can also support some
at patreon dot com forward slash Victims and Villains to
help our mental health education efforts. And once again, the
(51:07):
four point thirty movie written and directed by Kevin Smith,
opens up in theaters from Sabah Films this Friday, September thirteenth.
So until next time, remember to stay classy.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
We forgot to talk about the ending of the movie.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
Oh yeah, we'll talk about that right now.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
Yeah, you gonna have to edit this back in so
real quick before before we wrap this up, let's talk
about the ending of the movie, because I know you
had some thoughts on it. What were your thoughts of
the stinger?
Speaker 1 (51:45):
I hated that they put that stinger in. It made
me I really wish that they would have made this
a Clerk's prequel almost and I didn't realize that until
that final shot.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
What I appreciate about that final shot of Brian and
all of them looking at the quick Stop from Clerks
is that if this movie is the autobiography, like the
memoir of Kevin Smith, like that that's his journey, Like
he went from going to the movies all the time
to having to get a job, and he got a
job at the quick Stop and that set him on
his journey to make Clerks and make everything that we
(52:25):
know now. So I appreciated that you have this, You
have Brian talking about his love of film, his passionate
for storytelling and going to the movies and then having
to get a job and having to go into the
real world and having it go into Clerks. Like maybe
there's a fire thirty movie where it's it's him working
at the quick stop, and you can also but you
(52:49):
can also look at it as the cycle repeats, like
it's everything's a circle, everything comes back around, so like
he goes into the quick stop and then everything happens again,
so he makes clerks, he goes off and does everything
that we know Kevin Smith did.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
And like again, I think, I don't I don't have
the deep connection or I don't the knowledge that you
have when it comes to Kevin Smith. So for me,
like it, I think the best way that I can
equate this to is if you for those that have
seen the first Omen, you know that that film is
largely removed from the Damien Thorn like legacy until it's
(53:30):
finale where they shoehorned in Damien, and it kind of
just that's what it felt like to me.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
For me, it's more along the lines of this is
a story based on my life, and this is what
happened next, Like this is what got me to the
quick Stop to the journey that I'm on.
Speaker 1 (53:51):
Now that's fair.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
And that's how that's how I took it.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
And from that like way, like I could, I can
get behind it. It just not knowing, not having that knowledge.
It didn't. It just kind of felt really weird and
kind of shoewarned in. So all right, maybe go read
Kevin Smith's autobiography.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
Yeah, listen to the audiobook too, like, or just listen
to Kevin like you listen to any podcast. I guarantee
he's gonna tell tell the story of like his heart attack,
or like he he likes to repeat stories, so if
you listen to him long enough, you'll hear every story again.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
So that's true, that's fair. So yeah, all right, that's it.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
Uh, computer, stop music upstairs. I didn't find anything called
upstairs that can play music to play on your speaker
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