Phil Spencer Wants an Xbox Handheld, Marvel Rivals Announced # 391

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And you are listening to Video Gamesto the Max. Hello, and welcome
to another edition of Video Games tothe Max. I'm your host Sean Garman

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here with me as usual mister MarkMorrison Adi and well we have another week
in gaming here full of well,you know, last week was a good
week. We had a lot ofa you know, good games releasing all
that stuff. This week feels likewe're going back to the what it's been
with layoffs. We did a goodat one cool announcement and then which we'll

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talk about and a big interview fromPhil Spencer about various things about Xbox and
some other things to discuss in hereas well. So let's all right,
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show. Mark anything going on withyou? You can start playing a lot,
playing a lot of Grand Blue,Ground of Grand Blue. All right,

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so I guess let's start there.Then what how far are you think?
And I just don't like the lastdifficulty option. I beat the game,
uh several times, level one hundredso max level. I'm not optimized
gear wise, but I'm getting there. Is it? Is it a quick

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game? Is it? Is ita long game? So? Okay,
it's a weird. It's a weirdgame because like the first ten to fifteen
hours, like the main story,uh, which is pretty single player.
I think I don't think you needto get on multiplayer. Once you beat
the story, at least the initialstory, the game really opens up and
it's like, yo, get getonline, go play with other people.

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Uh. So I did that,and that is where the bulk of the
fund comes in because it's like anon shitty version of Monster Hunter that is
like fast as hell. Wow,So why do you very I clicked to
trust the words their non shitty versionof Monster Hunter. Why because Monster Hunter

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it's it's like animation priority. Youknow, it's like, uh, you
know, you can't cancel out ofattacks a lot of the even like the
quote unquote fast weapons are like slow, so it always kind of feels like
a plotting a long game. Also, like you know, you had to
hunt on this fucking monster. Youcan't even get a gut online or like
you know, send out the SOSflare until you find the monster. So

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it's you know, ten minutes offinding the stupid thing, send out to
flair. Hopefully you get some peopleinside. Then you can hunt a down
which takes you know, anywhere fromfive minutes to a half hour. Yet
like hacking away bits off and stufflike that. And also like Monster Hunters
Online is still insane, Like Iplayed Ice Born like that's the last time
I played it, and I'm likethis is terrible. I think I played

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Monster Hunter four like this is stillawful, Like what are you guys doing?
So yeah, so like a normalboss fight in this game, like
I'm single Flayer takes you know,five or maybe it takes like ten minutes
I'm takings depending on the boss fightor how well you know it like online

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it takes about a minute a half. Well I did one. I did
one boss fight where it went byso fast it was like thirty eight seconds.
I'm like, what the hell?Like I I turned away for like
a second, and like the monstershealth are like doma like eighty percent what
happened? Like I'm doing my part, but I didn't do that like someone
would say, Yeah, someone justcame in and watch hell ah, it

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takes me longer to get into themission or into like a quest in Grand
Blue, then it takes does takea to finish it right, So that's
awesome. Also, all the charactersactually do play pretty differently. There are
a lot of there's like sixteen characters. I'd say only like five or six
are like viable for like the lategame part. So I'm playing a dude

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who has like a big acts orbig hammer. Uh. And it's funny
because I'm not typically like the meleeguy in these games. I like the
range characters. But he has likethis invincible thing where he can just make
a bubble of invincibility surround him,which is helpful because you can use it
to choose boss fights. Like whenthey unlease their ultimate attack or I reckon,

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it's kind of like power right throughit and keep keep on trucking?
Does it? It is a storyinteresting at all? Is this kind of
there? You know, it's aboutit's a whole about a bunch of like
rescuing people from calamities or you know, like and defeating this big boss character.

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Like the biggest problem with the thingis kind of it's not Graham Blues
problem per se, but it's justanime games. Like you're expected to know
a lot of this going in,right, so they kind of don't.
I mean, they do have likesome backstory and stuff, but they just
kind of dump you into it.It's like, you know, imagine like
playing like a dragon ball Z gameabout like any Dragon ball Z knowledge,
know, I mean they do to. They do have two seasons of the

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anime out there for people to watchif you really want to have. But
it's not like a SUP it's notlike a super popular anime or it's not
like part of the mainstream culture.I would say I would actually say a
Grain Blue like Relink is probably thebest multiplayer game I've played in like a
few years. It's just really stouting. It's it's it's a little grind heavy

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in spots, just if you're tryingto like hunt on specific material or you
know, oh, I need thisone piece of hair to upgrade my weapon,
but this stupid boss won't drop it. It's gonna do like five or
six times. That's you know,fine, But yeah, it's just so
fun to get in, like intolike a match and you know, demolish
a boss that on your own,kick your ass three or four times,

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and it's like, well, nowI got three other level one hundred dudes
and they're all going create like,you know, aption on this thing,
and so am I. So thisthing goes on like a minute and a
half, right, So you canbeat the game solo, but you won't
like get i mean mostly out ofit. If you do, you have
to be a solo yeah, becauseyeah, I don't. I'm not even

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sure if you can get online withus by yourself. You might be able
to, like technically if you getinvited to a party or something, but
it's like very closed off. Andalso like you have side quests in the
game, but they're a little moreinvolved than like just the like the like
the online quests I mean they dokind of repeat, but like just the

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the the solo quest or like ahair more involved, I guess, but
you know, yeah, get online, like you hit level fifty and that's
basically when I finished the game,and I went from like fifty to fifty
to eighty three and like one night. Wow, Yeah, because I just
kept playing. They know I'm gettingin quests, I'm getting in groups of
like like level hundred dudes and they'refacing level one hundred bosses if not higher,

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and I can. I'm ineffective,but I can stay alive enough to
not screw it up and then gettinglike buttloads of experience from that. So
yeah, great soundtrack, you know, uh, visual it is fine.
You know, it's not nothing towrite home about, but it's okay.
There's one really cool boss fight that'slike against like a shadow the Colossus boss,

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like you know, one of thosebig things that's really fun. That's
awesome. Like yeah, I don'tknow. I've been thinking about whether I
wanted to get that game or notbecause I've heard it's a lot of fun.
I think you'll have to because you'llhave to be arguing against me for
it to be like way higher onthe Game of the Year list and like
kind of Fantasy seven. Yeah,I did like end up like the demo.

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I think I think the thing isis like this game. I don't
think I mean, I know youlove it. I don't think your birth
respected your time that much. Youknow, it's this big epic thing that
they could have cut down with somespots here and there, let's be honest.
But they're still beholding into like theseventh story that oh no, you've
got to have the jew on juninstupid you know, soldier minigame or you

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know, oh, they gotta havethat stuff in there because like you're gonna
have if you change too much,you're gonna have people complaining they took out
it's exactly well, okay, howabout like the dolphin minigame ship or like
the weird frog thing under Juna.Okay with it because it balances out and

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it's quick enough, and they don'tforce you to get like the highest score.
It literally just okay, kind ofdo it once to understand what it
is, and they forced you toget the highest score or the highest score
when I get like the item thatit has, because you never know and
you might need whatever, right,but you don't have to get it.
Yes, I missed some of theweapons because I didn't get the highest score

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on some of the minigames. Butit doesn't really matter unless you're gonna tell
me that, you know, forsome reason, I don't know why,
Mike, uh, I don't wantto, you know. It's one of
these things where I don't understand whythat's all of a sudden important, you
know, where I don't think thatI would. I'd be very surprised if

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the third game continues on from thesecond game, like where they you're all
your stuff goes on and everything else. Like I have a feeling they're going
to end up like blot Wise orlike Gear one. No no, I
mean like they're not going to letyour safe carry over you have all your
stuff. Oh no, yeah,they didn't even do that. So unless
you really want the game, itwon't make any sense as to why,

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which you can't currently do in thedigital version. Just funny, yeah,
but I don't. I'm really justlike a really a good like breath of
fresh air, like even like comparedto Tails Will Rise, which I really
liked a lot, Like this islike so much faster and this gets you
into it, like, you know, if you really wanted, you told
play Blitzer the story mode in likeeight hours and then I say, all

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right, now it's game on forthe multiplayer. Yeah, I can understand
that. I mean, that's goodthat those things exist so that you have
And you're not the only one thatsaid that. I've I've heard a lot
of people when this game was wasout because this was like the first one
of the first aside from Lack aDragon that was was out this year.
But people were playing at the beginningof Oh, this game actually makes me

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want to play Monster Hunter. ButI know I'm not as not as good
as good at Monster Hunter as Iwould be at this game. So I
kind of like this game better,you know, you know, and that's
fair if you don't like it.But is a deliberate that's the thing.
This is a hack and slash.Actually have fun at the game, not

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I'm going to study the stupid dragonpattern of attack for you know, three
hours and figure it out, right. It definitely wants you to study what
it is and know it and everythingelse. Yeah, it's almost like a
fighting game of someone in that wayof you got to know what you're doing.
You cannot just uh just kind ofhack it in there and do whatever.

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Right, I haven't gotten to I'vedownloaded, I haven't gotten to play.
That was my plan for today,but I didn't get up early enough
to play the Stellar Blade demo,so that will have to be for next
week, I guess. Yeah,sorry about that, folks. So I
haven't played anything. I'm still hackingaway with the more Reverse. It's no,

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I'm still hacking away with the review. Really, It's funny. Everyone
I know, including you, hatethe Choco bowl riding or the chuck bowt
racing. Yeah. And meanwhile onthe one going it ain't that bad.
I'm the one who didn't like thecombat. I just kind of got bored
by that. Well, it is, Mario Karr. It's just you got

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to figure out the one, theone chokabo and the gear that you need
to be on and all that stuffto make it work. That all rights,
you know. I wound up justlike looking up the video of whatever
the story sequences for that, whichis actually one of the more interesting ones
that I did want to know whathappens to him and and all that.

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Yeah, but I was trying todo that one before the date because I
was like, oh, this oneactually affects Tifa, And then I was
like, you know what, I'mjust gonna go through the other one,
the one in the battle arena inCorrel, And then I died like ten
times doing the air fight with thebomba bombs and I finally had to figure

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out how that worked. I thinkI'd ended up putting the block and the
the dodge material on her to finallybe able to I know, there's a
probably, I know there's an easierone that I found out now as I
saw somebody was also struggling with it, that you can just put the elemental
and fire equals HP absorption thing andyou would just absorb all the fireballs.
But yeah, that's a that's aneasy one, I guess to do.

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But yeah, I mean that's thething is like there's a way to make
a lot of these mini games easierfor you. That the Chokovo riding one
and the chuckbut flying one. Theyactually had to fix it in the patch
because some of those things are notthey wouldn't grab like you'll go right by
it, you'll touch it, andit won't won't hit it. Yeah,

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so it's and that actually it affectsyou with the flying ones, you know,
yeah, and I took about flyingone was terrible. So it's like
I did the three that you know, I didn't. I got like the
high score the first maybe the firsttwo. It's the first one, and
then I was like, this isawful. You know, Yeah, I
don't care that much. I Istill have that's one of the like two
that I still in. Two orthree haven't still have been finished because I

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was like, I just don't feellike frustrating myself with that. But speaking
of this, since we're already onit, I am going to have a
spoiler cast with Randy Hayes, whoI had on before the game came out,
Andrew from Andrew Agress from adder Haven, and another person that I'll wait

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till we get through the stream becauseI don't want to announce it and then
something happens. So that'll be Tuesdayaround six o'clock. So if you want
to watch the live you can.If not, it'll be there on demand
or on podcasts. So we'll finallyget to talk about the ending and all
that stuff. So and everybody else'sthoughts on the game, which it you

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know, Mark is not not positiveabout it. He just he has other
things that he felt like wasted histime as opposed to others that maybe didn't.
So you know, he's still giveit an eight on the review,
so it's not like, you know, he dogged the thing. So that
being said, let's actually go onwith the news that is happening here,

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And I guess we should start witha because there's some bad things with layoffs
and stuff. Somebody else got tofinally escape Embracer and that's gear they were
sold off to take to Interactive,which they already had a publishing deal with
them for Borderlines and Tiny Tina.So this kind of rids a full circle

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for them where now they're just partof Take two and they already know that
those games are big sellers and theydo wonders for them, so they will
probably more than likely let them kindof have a longer leash when it comes
to new things they might want todo or well, they can actually fund

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the new Borderlinds game exactly that too, which Borderlands four is in development already.
I think Tiny Tina too might alsobe, but they don't have necessary
confirmation on that like you do withBorderlands Forward. Yeah, it's probably more
like further off or you know,like, yeah, Borderlands Force probably like

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closer to being in a stage ofwhere they could start showing stuff, whereas
Santina To is probably farther off,like you said. And yeah, I
mean four hundred plus million is notanything to take a stick of. That's
still a lot. That's money thatEmbracer gets to bring back. And I

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think Lars wing Fort actually mentioned thisis like the last part of their restructuring.
So they're kind of seemingly done withall of this stuff, which includes
the layoffs and selling things and whateverelse, well until they have to sell
Idos or you know, Cristo theDynamics because they have no more. Yeah,
I mean, I don't believe that. I'll believe it when I actually

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see them doing other things with thisas opposed to either selling off studios or
laying people off. Hopefully that meansthe end of layoffs and they just look
at what they've been able to dowith these bigger studios and say, Okay,
well, what's more important. Dowe make money off of this now
or try to make a game andthen we don't necessarily make anything off that
game or that game doesn't wind upcoming to Fruition and you know, so,

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yeah, this is good for everybodyall around. Good that Gearbox gets
to continue and gets to continue makingthe games they care about at least.
Yeah. I mean some people gotlaid off in Gearbox, but it's all
I would say, expected people,or you know, like pr people like
it's a take too already has apr arm like they don't need multiple people

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filling this role unfortunately. Yeah,they also get to take a Home World
Risk of Rain, Brothers and Armsand Duke Nukeom of all things back with
them, take twenty more years tomake the new new Duke Nukem game that'll
be terrible also, and that HomeWorld three keeps getting delayed. So yeah,

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but I'm more optimist about that.You know that's good. Yeah,
Yeah, that's the I the winningEmbracer kind of gets to keep as a
surprising Lizzie. They don't own thestudio obviously, well I don't think,
but the Remnant to publish the Remnantframech rights for a Remnant Yeah, and
hyper Light Breaker too, which thatgot delayed but it's still gonna come out.

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And they also get to keep thatGearbox Publishing Arm which is, you
know, sometimes they released some reallyneat indies under that, which kind of
sucks that Embracer is the one keepingthat, But I understand Take Do doesn't
want to have to deal with somethinglike that. They're already a publisher themselves,
right, And they also got tokeep the Never Winter Night online studio

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and the studio that they lay peopleoff from Lost Boys that are active and
captured dimensions. So yeah, yeah, I guess good things all around for
them in that way. Both partiesare keeping stuff, which I think is
a little bit different than than Saber, where they just kind of like took

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a bunch of studios were like,Okay, we're we're just going to take
them away and hopefully do things withthem, which that's that's gonna no way
too. So I just really hopethat Embrace was looking more at what los
Winfert said in his uh when hewas talking to investors, because they asked
him about, are you looking todo more MMA, you know, M
and A now, and he's like, actually, we're looking towards like having

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those studios that we have work togetherand make good games. And I'm like,
wow, what a novel concept?What exactly what a novel concept for
him to say that before. Yeah, exactly. I wish they would have
thought about this before where they wereinstead of just buying up a bunch of
studios and then figuring out way laterwhat they're going to do with them.

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Uh as news for you, that'skind of the Microsoft to approach. No,
but I mean Microsoft is picking upestablished studios that that know what they're
doing, and then the ones thatdidn't really have anything like an exile,
they're now working on this game thata lot of people are anticipating, the
you know, Clockwork revolutions. Itjust I mean, Toysabov got to go

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independent, but they've already made adeal with them. So yeah, we'll
see. But there's a lot totalk about when it comes to Microsoft.
I guess, yeah, you're rightin a way that they have a lot
of studios, but right now,especially the afterwards Blizzard ones, they got
to figure out the ones that aren'talready working on something, they got to
figure out what they're going to dowith them. But it looks like they

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are thinking about other things at themoment. Phil Spencer had this big interview
with Polygon at GDC. I'll havelinks in the description. They kind of
split it in parts. It's notlike it's just one big article where they
talk about everything. So it's alsonot as easy to just go, oh,

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here's a link you have to grablike all the different links that they
put in there. But like thethree major things that kind of came out
of this was one that Phil Spencerseems very keen on a Xbox anheld and
if not making these handhelds that alreadyexist, you know, the Steam Deck,

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the Legion Go, the rag Ally, et cetera, all have some
kind of Xbox like portal where whenyou log into it, it feels like
you're logging into an Xbox and notlike you're logging into or having to use
Windows. He actually says a lotof his problems with these systems are really

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Windows based and not you know,issues with the devices themselves, which is
actually interesting, but he says that'spart of it is that he feels like,
you know, he feels like itactually is something where he feels at
fault for that because obviously he's withMicrosoft, So you know, do you
think that this What's funny is hedoesn't outright mentioned it, but he does

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everything but outright mentioned that we're workingon a handheld. He mentions that they
have people like working on a formfactor, that they're looking at it,
that he has notes of things thathe wants this potential handheld to do that
the other ones currently don't do,which is mainly more about again the whole

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making everything be cohesive, the wayit is with PC, mostly the way
it is with the phone, sothat like, if you log into this
handheld, you have all your saved, you have all your games, you
have all your things. Sarah Bonddid mention they have something to announce at
the end of the year. Doyou think this is it? Do you
think it's an Xbox handheld? Andfeels just trying to be coy about not
saying we're working on it. No, if anything at this team that will

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never do this. If anything mightbe some Microsoft badged Frog ally or some
offshoot of the Lenovo thing that doesn'tsuck and go here's ours and that's about
it. Yeah, I mean theycould go that way. They aren't making
their own I can tell you that. I don't know. So I feel
like he's hinting too much, thatthere being too many issues that like you

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said, a lot of these alot of these, uh other hardware companies
don't have to work with Microsoft tothat extent, right, I mean it
is their like for the Windows ones, it is their app. They can
finagle with it whatever they want.Obviously, steam Deck you have to have
some kind of backdoor thing right nowto get into it, and and Xbox

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might look at that and go,is it really worth for us to pony
up the money to make it actuallybe native on steam Deck and do all
of that work or should we justhave our own and uh, maybe it's
just a better version of the portableor no, Like I mean, like
I said, thought that the schemewould never allow for that. So yeah,
it's scre screw you, like wedon't A we don't need you,

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and B you don't want you.Yeah, I mean I definitely they don't
need them. I don't know aboutthey wouldn't want money if somebody is giving
it to them willfully at that point. And it's not like you're not buying
the scene you know. If Microsoftgoes in and pays the money to make
this an app that works on thescene Deck without you having to do all
this backstore stuff, I mean,it feels just like an app maybe,

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but like you know, game passwill never come to you. No,
it wouldn't natively come to see,right, it would be like the Xbox
app triggers your game Pass stuff andyou have to do everything through the app.
But the way that the PC appworks, I wouldn't count on that
because they can't even get the PCapp to work that well. Yeah,
but considering how much they want youknow, game pass subscriptions or you know

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whatever, like that's all they careabout. Yeah, the most popular handheld
PC is going to like let thathappen. So but I do see this
with you know a lot of thetalk about the Xbox hardware, and you
know, what they should you know, what they should do is just just

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uh get the game pass and theXP schemes working on the PlayStation portal,
Like here's our here's our stream resolution, go buy this thing. Well technically,
you know, I guess, Iguess technically you do have something that
already worked there, right when allthese other games, when these four games
show up. So that being said, they do mention this because you know,

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Steam is a a PC storefront,and he doesn't mention Steam obviously because
like you said, Steam doesn't needMaxoft for this at all, but still
also mentions, Oh, he wouldlike to have Epic games or it's dot
Io or gog on Xbox and havethem be storefront, so on Xbox you

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can just access and you then haveaccess to those games on an app or
however it is that they would getthem to work. Do you see this
as being a win for Xbox ifthat were to happen? Is this just
like them trying to mitigate lost salesfor the hardware? What do you Is
there any incentive for these companies toput the game on put these things on

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Xbox anyway? Like, where doyou see this coming from? The only
incentive I would see it would belike a geo because they probably give them
like a more well a much biggername, or you know, association was
like a popular thing. But God, I don't see happening because most of
God's games you need a mouse andkeyboard, you know. I mean they

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are adding Xbox they are adding mouseand keyboard support now, so but I
think that's abody there for the they'readding it. I think for the like
the game pass app on your onyour phone and on their app. Yeah,
I wouldn't see Epic either because ifI wouldn't, Epic wouldn't want to
give up. You know, thereMicrosoft probably want more money or more want

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more profit profit sharing than Epic wantsto give up, because there's still there
are also thirty percent, I think, so, yeah, it would be
interesting, as you know, thanksGod for watching live. Do you appreciate
that He does mention that it wouldbe really big hassle to put Steam to
get Steam getting to x you know, work with Xbox natively, so it

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could work with like a cloud gamingthing sort of like I guess the way
it does now or the backdoor thingyou have to do now. But yeah,
yeah, that's something interesting that Xboxwould have to work out, right,
because you're technically still buying those gameson that store. All that Xbox
is doing is allowing for the storeto be part of the Microsoft Store that

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is now on the console. Sowould Xbox really be getting anything other than
I could say, what like,oh, you're gonna get five percent or
something like that. How would thateven work? Do they do? They
then have to make their own dealwith the company. Is this all just
with Epic and and gog you know, right? Scott mentions that Epic has

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like an online DRM that does checks, so h it can't be a big
thing to work. It can't beworse than the current solution they have for
the Diablo four game pass, whereyou have to have like battle Net running
in the background for the PC version. It's like, but that makes sense
so that you don't lose all yourstuff you have on Battlement, right,

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Like do you if it's for gamepass, why should it matter? It
should just be running through like theapp, because well, for one,
that PC app sucks, and secondly, there's a lot of people that are
not. It's just like you alwayssay, right, you don't want to
deal with Epics storefront or whoever storefront, So why make those peopel that don't
want to deal with any other storeform but battle Net then have to go
through the Xbox Because no, thepeople who the people who already are like

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that already have Diablo four and Battlement. They already like bought it, so
that doesn't exist. It's the peoplewho like, oh I have Battlement,
I have game pass, I canI can go grab Diablo four on PC.
Wait a minute, I think he'sbattle that to watch this thing?
But why you know. I mean, I also think it's a way to
get you to know that there's theother games that are there, so all

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four other battle games. Who cares. It's like, you know, it's
not going to go oh oh,I can finally play Hurdstone. I've never
heard of that before. Authechnically Hertstone'sfree. But yeah, it just you
know, I think that that it'sit's more about that, it's more about
functionality of just Okay, everybody's usedto battle that, Like, let's not

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remove that and have everything go tothe app. Maybe there's less load on
the app as well if you're notusing it to uh then you know,
Scott, it's his crew. Theywish you to go back to Overwashed making
popular again. Yeah, we'll talkabout that in a second. Uh So,
yeah, I don't know if thisis what they're gonna end up working.

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It feels like a lot of wishlisting from Phil Right. It's like,
oh, this is the stuff Iloved, but well that actually happened.
I don't know. I mean no, because yeah, Marc has also
barely I mean they never got inthe first place, but they are making
less and less hardware as the yearsgo on, So what is it going

(32:12):
to be like a like a surfacesurface branded you know there's some old surface
tablets branded to be Xbox. Imean they could they lose money on those
surface tablets, but they still makethem. So you know, it's the
same the same kind of mo thatpeople are using about like, well,
this is why they keep making xboxesbecause even though they lose money, it's
like they have the money, theyhave the ability to lose keep losing money

(32:35):
on it. But Phil does mentionthat that's that's part of it. Because
they keep losing money on the boxes, they can't then continue to do these
things with exclusivity and they have tofind money to circumvent that. So all
of this is that it's I wantPC storefronts in order to be able to
get more money in that way.I want to give games to place so

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that we can get more money inthat way because people are not buying the
box, right, But we gotto keep making boxes because then people don't
subscribe to game Pass because that's yourmajority of your people that subscribe the game
Pass. So it feels like he'sin a big conundrum there with all of
that's like the rationale my mine wouldbe like how many years or how many

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you know, not even millions,but billions of dollars get to lose before
you just say fuck it and giveup or to focus on the thing that
I actually makes you money is andI'm making a dent now, I mean,
right, they you know, arguablythe three sixty was the biggest one
or you know, and that's stillI made the money, but it still

(33:44):
didn't even like we're not that consolegeneration at least in the long run.
So you know, Xbox one isa disaster and the serious snx what they're
being out sold like five to oneby PS five or like at least four
to one. So it's like whatwhat you know, why continue? Or
you know, like you can golike all we want games everywhere, you

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know, everywhere, all all atonce whatever. He wants to say,
No, yeah, everywhere. Ellwe'll start doing a full spencer of time
travel moments where he goes back andfixes the problem with the Xbox one,
right he assessment's Don Matric on stage, you know, just like Deadpool and
Wolverine. So no, and Imean and that's the point too, you

(34:30):
know, you also have look,this is we don't know what dev this
is uh so I want to makethis clear that this report by Chris Dring
is his personal account of him havinggone to GDC and talk to a dev
or some devs. We don't knowwhat those who those devs are that he

(34:51):
says that they wonder why the hellthey wasted their time putting their game on
Xbox because now they're not really seeingmuch of a profit from that. And
if let's say this is a continuationof more devs do this, We've always
seen another game that was supposed tobe coming to Xbox. They decided to

(35:15):
postpone development of that portion of thegame to only put it on PlayStation in
PC, and then they're going todo the Xbox after the game comes out,
I guess once they get sales fromthe PlayStation. So and if they
don't wind up canceling at all,and that's that's a thing that has that
became a big snowstorm. And thenwe also had some announcement from what is

(35:39):
it a certain indie devs that arethen saying that the well has dried up,
the Golden Parachute is gone. Asfar as game pass, yeah,
God notes that it was a largedev and a small dev but exactly there's
he didn't say who it is.And the the thing is, it only

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takes these little things to eventually well, it would probably take a long while
before like say Ubisoft or EA decidedthat we're not going to put a game
on Xbox of their like known franchises. Maybe there's a maybe there's like a
small new game or whatever that maybethey decide not to. But this this

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does have like a trickle down effector trickle up effect in a way if
you start seeing this happen a lot. So maybe Phil is seeing all of
this and they're saying, well,how can we possibly get some of this
back? I do think a handheldcould help them in a way because this
is the way people are wanting toplay their games for the most part.
Especially he keeps bringing up the wholeGen Z Gen Alpha thing a lot,

(36:45):
where that's the reason why they decidedto go with the exclusivity thing going to
PlayStation as well, because he saysthat, oh, well, they play
on their phone and everything's available ontheir phone. They're not used to this
whole oh I buy one console andeverything's stuck on my console thing. And
maybe he's right in a way,but I think it's going to be a
while before we get to that point, right, we have another generation to

(37:05):
go where we're really getting I thinkthe effects of Oh we really I mean,
we already know that we are kindof playing towards the people that buy
consoles are the same ones that buythem every time. But I think switch
To is really going to be thethe one that tells you a lot about
that, because I still feel likeswitch To gained a lot by having the
pandemic happened, and a lot ofpeople bought switches because of that. A

(37:29):
lot of families bought switches to Oh, one for you, one for me,
one for you. I don't wantto have to keep sharing this thing.
We can all play it portably andwhatever. And we know Japan loves
the switch. They love portable stuff. There are people that love that part
of gaming. But it'd be interestingto see does switch To get anywhere near
the numbers the Switch one did?And I think we can start kind of

(37:52):
painting a picture there of you know, no, I mean, Nintendo didn't
cause the pandemic to sell in themacrossing the Nintendo Switch, but the pandemic
helped because everybody was inside right,and so enim Acrossing was a big game
that came out when we really startedhaving to be in our homes during that

(38:13):
time. Right. It's the samething of I feel like we really can't
compare the numbers to rebirth to remakebecause there is some of that that's helped
by the fact that number one remakewas the first one. Right, So
you're getting that nostalgia of, ohmy god, I get to play this
game that I haven't played since nineteenninety seven and whatever. And then also
a lot of people are in theirhomes, right, so why not pick

(38:37):
it up. I wouldn't have hadtime to play this game if it was
my regular everyday life. But I'mnot going anywhere for months, So why
not pick up a bunch of thesegames with these systems or whatever that now
probably lay dormant sitting there not gettingplayed that much, or they went back
to play in their old regular stuffthey play with their friends. So I
do wonder, I do do wonderif we're going to see Canda is a

(38:59):
gonna be like a three Well it'sstill big, right, Like it's still
gonna be a three DS t DSsituation where you still had a lot of
three DS cells, right, butit didn't quite match that number. And
when you're gonna get are you gonnaget a lot of the same people buying
that console again, or you're gonnaget a lot of different people buying that
console again, And how well they'regonna be able to do that? So

(39:20):
yeah, it's it's It would beinteresting to see if Xbox made their own
handheld if that gets people that maybedon't want to go buy a box to
sit in front of their TV,but they'll buy it for their kid,
or they'll buy it for themselves.Now they have the freedom to go around
their house play this game, stillbe with the family, sit around and
watch TV, and you could playthe same game that you would buy you
would if you bought it on Xbox, and not have to stick there in

(39:44):
front of the TV. So Ido think there's a Again, I've always
said that there's a hook to portablegaming. I think it makes sense.
It's a reason why it's big,it's the reason why mobile gaming is big.
But you know, well, I'mnot now. I used to be,
right, but now I'm playing everythingin front of my TV because I'm

(40:04):
working from home. I'm not reallygoing out that much to a situation where
I need to have that. Butin the past, yeah, that's also
most people you know, so well, I would disagree that families, if
you want to spend time with certificateother. But let's say y'all are want
to be in the same room watchsomething, but you're not necessarily wanting to

(40:27):
do the same thing, right,A lot of look, you know,
we know this. I know somebeing of my with my daughter all the
time. If I were not ina movie theater where they make you sit
in darkness. If I try towatch anything with her on the TV,
what's she doing? Okay, she'slike half watching it, right, So
that's the way a lot of peoplekind of do things together. Now,

(40:50):
It's like you're not necessarily both sittingon the couch watching the thing. You
got your your wife or girlfriend onthe phone on TikTok or something, and
you're doing with something else, soyou're actually watching it and kind of like
she's half watching it or whatever.So I again, like I do think
that these portable things have other reasonsto exist other than just oh well,

(41:13):
I want to go on the busand play stuff that I'm you know,
and that's that's part of the reasonwhy they're they're big, CEPO are seeing
them. This is a way ofgaming that is growing. It's not someone
down or there wouldn't be so manypeople making these, and it wouldn't be
bad for Xbox to get into it. But I wonder if by the time

(41:34):
Xbox gets into it and it comesout, will it make a difference.
And I think that's the thing thatPhil Specter is hoping it does. Right,
if he can get all of thesethings to work at once, along
with continuing to open up Xbox todefinitely other things, can it work and
well, see that's really the lasthurrah they have. But this is you
know, if this doesn't work andyou go backwards, other problem is they're

(42:00):
also I mean, if they announcedsomething they're going to make a handheld,
it's already it probably be seen asthen chasing a trend or you know,
if not coffying Nintendo, you know, all their user handhelds, copying Sony
and what doesn't matter if it's ascreaming device or native device or whatever.
But like, yo, this shouldhave happened five years ago or you know,

(42:21):
it should have happened. You shouldhave been the trends that are not
you got one also, you know, as opposed to another four or five
other handheld computers or gaming things outthere now. No, you're definitely right
about that. Could they have decidedinstead of partnering with all these all these
different ones, right, they've evenpart of with that Logitech ge Cloud gaming
thing that like went nowhere really quickly. Could they have just decided to make

(42:45):
their own thing instead of saying,oh, well, let's be the the
nice sky on the block and workwith everybody. And yeah, if I
can nobody play my Xbox games onthe raws Ally or the Legion Go or
back door it on the Steam Deck, do I really have an incentive to
buy it for the Xbox other thanI want to have my own native Xbox
thing. Yeah, the x Idon't have cool green led lighting. But

(43:09):
you see, we just talked aboutit last week, how the Sody can't
keep the portal in stores, right, Sody can't keep the portal from you
know, the portal is a veryhard to find item. If you have
your own Xbox version of this thatisn't tied to the system itself. But
it's just a thing you can playif you have Xbox stuff, wouldn't this
sell even more then? At thatpoint? Well, they had to be

(43:31):
they had to be games that peoplewant to play on the Xbox portable.
So that's the other problem. Imean, yeah, that's true also,
right, but they're they're doing that, there's there. This is supposed to
be the year where they bring outthe game Steeple one, right, so
if you could tile that together,who knows, maybe it is a revolution

(43:52):
for Xbox in a way. AndSony is supposedly working on their own version
of this as well, so it'snot like they're that far behind. If
they can get it out there beforethe PlayStation one, maybe it does help
them. Especially they can get itout there before the PlayStation and afford the
Switch that's even better. But becauseonce the Switch two comes out, man,

(44:12):
it's gonna be hard for people tohave these portables. And then also,
what are we talking at? Where'sthe price? Right? Where's the
price with this is like are wetalking about a six hundred dollars machine?
Are we talking about a four hundreddollars machine? That? You know?
That's that's another thing as well.So moving on from all that, I'm

(44:34):
sure this will continue to be athing that that Phil will keep talking about
or we'll hear more about, butnothing WI wants to change. Yeah,
I mean, I still think thatthis is part of that whole thing that
they're announcing in the fall or whateverthey always say. They're already working on
the next box. They have tohave something besides just announcing a Midgeon refresh,

(44:59):
which I you know, yeah,they got that white Xbox serious x
that it's gonna blow everyone away welland digital only, which made everybody that's
you know, mad about that,right, so, uh, you know,
just to get out. Before weget out of this, Scott did
mention that the Xbox Handheld is probablygonna be geared towards consumers with a large
Xbox library similar to the portal andyou know, the ones that have the

(45:23):
big monthly engagement with Xbox. Yeah, I'm sure, yes, this will
definitely be for the hardcore people.They are only people that probably see this
as I have an Xbox or Iused to have an Xbox and maybe they
want to play those games again ona portable thing. But definitely it's gonna
be for people that already have theXbox. I don't like unless they're gonna

(45:45):
make it very gay. Obviously.The point is to make it very game
pass friendly, right as well,So if you can get it to where
okay, well, here's this portablemachine that you can play on the with
game pass and you don't want touse your phone. To me, it's
all it's about price to me,it's about price. If you're charging what
these other PC handouts are charging,I don't know how many new people you're

(46:06):
gonna get them get in on this. If you're charging a little bit less
than what you pay for the SeriesX or the same as the series S.
Okay, I can see it.Right. So you have the option
of the series that you have toplug into your TV, or you have
this thing you could take with you. Which one's better? You know.

(46:27):
I don't know if they can makea portable series S or not at this
but I'm sure they will try andit'll be interesting if if it actually does
happen. But let's move on fromthat to talk about this new game that
looks very much like another game thatwe already talked about in a way.
Marble Rivals looks like it took alot of stuff from Overwatch and just said

(46:47):
okay, here are the Marble heroesdoing Overwatch stuff? You as an Overwatch
fan or you know you play Overwatchhere and then I played to Overwatch one
in my life, but you usedto go back to it a bit,
you know, you weren't like acompetitive player or nothing, but you would
go back and play it here andthere. That's because Overwatch one actually offered
like if you just want to playaround, you actually get something out of

(47:09):
it. I'm supposed to Overwatch two, which did away with all that.
Uh, we know the bad statethat ever Watched two is in right where
a lot of people wonder why thehell this needs to exist? Do you
think that come in and and dosomething be big? No? No,
I thought that Trail looked really bad. Actually, I was like, they

(47:30):
managed to make a game that likeMarvel Avengers looks better than you know,
Marvel Venge looks is better than thisthing, Like what what happened? I
mean it's this is also not aFinnis version of the game. So yeah,
even the basic concept of like wait, why are these people you know
having to fight things like oh,Doctor Doom twenty you know current version,

(47:52):
you know the old version? Orare forcing people to fight? It's like
what, I don't know, itlooked. I'm sure for like some people,
this will be fine, but I'drather just have them bring back like
Marvel heroes. Yeah, I meanI thought it looked. I thought looked
fine. Like you know, Scottbrings up over and Watched one with much

(48:15):
more engaging the small terms of playtimeevery day Overwatch too, you have to
play for like two hours, yeahto get progression. Yeah. Like yeah,
Overwatch one it's like, oh,que up and like the first it's
basically like a daily logan buss,like the first time you cu up,
you get you get a loop box. It's like, cool, I don't
have to play like one match ifI want to play, if I'm not
a role, I can play afew more. But that's fine. Yeah,

(48:36):
but Overwatched two it's a season pastmodel where it's like, oh,
you got to play you know,two thousand matches to get you know,
to felt this battle pass. It'slike, I don't want to do that
at all at all. I mean, it does have some cool things about
it, right, Like I there, I'm sure there are many people that
probably thought about this at one point. And number one is also I should
mention this name by Netty's, whichyou know, they have a lot of

(48:58):
experience with their own kind of games, and and they've done stuff with you
know, called Dute Battlefield. Andthe thing is they also do Diabblo Immortal,
which has a lot of mt Xand other things very paid to win.
So hopefully this wouldn't be like that. The thing that that I find

(49:21):
cool, obviously is I'm sure thereare a lot of people that wish,
oh man, what if we hadan overwatched type game with Marble heroes right
now? Obviously this isn't at theheight of Marble peak fandom. This is
at the kind of middle. We'reat a weird point with Marble fandom and
the popularity where it seems to belike we don't know really where it is.

(49:44):
It's going down, and they arestill pumping up the fact that,
oh, there's the MCU in here. And there's a lot of these characters,
right the ones you know, BlackPanthers, Spider Man, Hulk,
Iron Man. Uh, there's someonesthat they you don't like, Luna Snow
and Galactica and Penny Parker and thingslike that. I actually do the MCU

(50:08):
things as a problem. Yeah,OK, if people want like the classic
Wolverine or classic Iron Matt, right, iron Man you can kind of get
away with. But I mean theycan sell you those skins. No,
and I'm believing, I'm sure theywill. You know, it's not like
but I think that it's just likethe problem like the Avengers game, like
they were like if they wanted tobe active theation call the MCU Avengers,

(50:31):
like the MCU, that'd been abetter name or better name for it.
But the Avenger's name has that likeclassic, like nineteen sixties esthetic. People
think the Avengers end of that kindof right, and that's not what that
game is or how it looked.So and we've also seen where you know,
Marble Snap flourished without having to havethe MCU Moniker attached to it,

(50:53):
Like you know, there's other Marblegames that have done well that don't need
to have that attached to Spider Man. You know. Yeah, well,
okay, but Spider Man is awhole different spider Man is a whole thing
by itself. It's always has beenreal, yeah, but I mean they
made those Spider Man games of theXbox that were directly tied into like those

(51:14):
Sony you know, movies at thetime. But yeah, they're not having
I mean the where Marve Blocks sellsat is like the characters themselves, not
tying them all, all these charactersto like this one movie universe. It's
like, who gives a shit?Really, right, I mean, you're
not even having like the movie characterlike the movie. It's not like,

(51:34):
you know, iron Man is makinghis fortieth movie or anything like he did
you know a handful of movies andhe's out. So that's it for iron
Man forever. Well that's what theysay, we'll see right until until they
pay Robert and Junior forty million dollarsto come back, especially now that he's
gotten his Academy award and stuff.I wonder if maybe he's like, you
know, I can go back todoing going back to doing this stuff.

(52:00):
I've got my my plot. It'snow you may go the other way and
just want to get more. Butwell, you know, the thing is
this is gonna draw eyes. Rightwhenever it finally does come out, there's
gonna be a closed alpha in May, so there'll be more information of this
pretty soon. Yeah. I don'tthink we need to like go crazy on

(52:24):
this trailer. It's a two minutetrailer. I don't want to show it
because somehow usually if it's not fromsome game trailer, if it's not from
a game company, a lot oftimes it'll get flagged and I don't feel
like dealing with that. Uh So, but still there's a there's a chance
this could grow become big because there'sthat loophole that, like, as Scott

(52:49):
mentioned, you know, you haveto play you know, the game for
six hours or whatever to get theequivalent of what Overwatch one used to play
for our Sorry, you have toplay for six stays straight from something you
could do in hours, you know, And because yeah, because they're all,
you know, they want it tobe like this, like, oh,
are you playing this game forever?You're playing this game, you know,

(53:12):
until the end of time or what. I's like, Yo, I
don't want to play I don't know. That's why I like Grand Blue Fantasy,
because I mean, even with themultiplayer, I'm happy with it just
being a ten to fifteen hour storyline. I don't need to bee hundred hours.
Yeah, so yeah, and that'sfine. Shorter is fine. I
mean, I much would rather recommendThe Grand Blue to someone than Rebirth.

(53:36):
I mean Rebirth is great, don'tget me wrong, but it goes on
or even you know Persona five orsomething like, you know, a game
I really love. It's like,how much how much time get do you
want to invest in this game?If you have twenty hours you know,
Rebirth or real you know, Personafive or Persona three reloaded or whatever,
that ain't gonna cut it. You'llget like, you know, a fifth

(53:58):
of the way to the game.You know, but like all right,
I'm good. Yeah, I meanreboots about it said, because you have
to have some type of care,yeah, or Fantasy seven in general and
care about that franchise, because,uh, you're not going to get absolute
jack about what's going on with thestory if you don't pay attention to a
lot of stuff. It's almost likeit's own MCU in a way at this

(54:22):
point. But I had a friendasking me. I mean, he's playing
Rebirth now, but he's asking melike, oh, do you get to
this He hasn't finished it yet,but he was like, oh, do
you get to the City of theAncients? And I was like, what's
that? Like, you know,it's been so long to played seven original?
What? Yeah, the Temple,the Forgotten Capital, the last city
you go into. Yeah, right, I was like what and then I

(54:44):
had to think, I look atus. I'm like, no, you
don't go there like you do,but you don't really get to explore it
like you do in the original becausethey're saving that for part three, right,
So which makes sense because in theoriginal you have to go back there
anyways. So and they also wantedto have the cliffhanger uh that they did
or whatnot? Uh so you know, getting back to this really quick,

(55:06):
he says, Plus, yes,you can do like two missions to be
done with for the day. Seewe link his peak, so he totally
agrees with you. Yes, Scotthas been on the train of Graaby Plana
Cyybank a lot as well. Soyeah, you know what this is gonna
this is gonna work for a while. We'll have stay in power. I
think that's the thing that they're gonnahave to figure out something that will Can

(55:30):
they make this really easy for peopleto get into that didn't play over Watcher
for or the people that are goingto come over this that are playing over
Watch too, that are you know, sick of that and one of reason
to not have to play that gameat all? Will this be able to
to help with that, and thisis going to be free to play,
so that that brings to people aswell. I think the bigger problem is

(55:52):
if you don't want to play Overwatch, which is valid. There are you
know, there's already Valor in throughalready Apex Legends is already half a dozen
other decent village shooters out there,and they might have the Marvel license attached
to him, but that's kind oftainted at this point a little. Yeah,
it's not like, you know,even if you get you know,

(56:14):
iron Man in the Hall and allthe other characters, it's not going to
be voiced by you know, MarkRuffalo, Robert donnyten or whoever you know.
But I mean, are there voicelines? Were they gonna matter?
You're gonna be playing the same gameover and over with, yeah, because
you literally buy fucking voice lines andOverwatch, so it kind of does matter.
Or you know, like taunts andshit like that, Yeah, you

(56:36):
buy those. But I feel like, okay, that's you deal with things
like this in Fortnite, right,and you're not necessarily always having the right
the characters. But you know,if if they had this and they had
like you know, Chris Evans voiceand Captain America, and one of his
voice lines you could buy is that'sAmerica's ass. I might give it a

(56:59):
shot, but then what they're havingto do that, so screw them.
I don't know the fact that Nettiesis the one doing this and not like
Disney or whatever. I think thatthey're definitely trying. They're definitely going to
try to do this on the cheaperend and just to get people to see
if they can wow selling refurbished XboxSerious ex consoles for one fifty What a

(57:24):
game stuff? I was on wootOkay, but yeah, yeah, I
mean you can still you can goand trade that thing in and get like
three hundred and seventy five. Ithink I saw somebody get now if you
wanted to so, I saw thegame stop ad or they trade and how
if you trade in a PS threeslim they give you a full penny for

(57:45):
it. That's more like them sayingwe're not gonna take right, I think,
But yeah, I'll give you tencents for it. Man, I
got nine ex percent? Why not? Yeah? But moving on from Hey,
if you want a rumor that Mikecould be true, possibly because this

(58:06):
guy actually has a good record ofwhen it comes to Resident Evil games making
uh saying he's an insider called dustskullm that he he likes writing things about
Resident Evil games or Capcom games ingeneral, and he brings up a point
that a lot of times Capcom willkind of make decisions in threes with games.

(58:30):
Right, So they're exploring this openworld concept, and they did it
with Dragon Zama two, even thoughDravon's Damba one Ohbody really had a lot
of this stuff, they just gotto refine it in this game. But
Monster Hunter Wild is sort of goingin that direction, and he points to
that, and he also says thatresiduebal nine could possibly be the other game
that is going into this open worldkind of direction. Resident Evil has really

(58:53):
never been an open world game,you know. They they had those big
sections and village that you could scorea little bit. Do you think this
could work for Resident Evil if theymade it open world? Only think it
could be soft involved and then youhave to climb powers to involve an app.

(59:14):
I don't know, maybe like it'dbe interesting, but I think the
problem, you know, it'd stillbe the thing of like, oh,
you can't enter this one building becauseyou need to spade ke go hunt it
do you know, go hunt itdown or whatever? Right, I mean
that's kind of what that's kind oflike what Resonable three Nemesis was really uh
sure, I say go for it. I mean I think it kind of

(59:36):
worked like Madigard Salad that wasn't quiteopen. I mean that was an open
world, but he saw like missionsto do. Ah, I guess it'd
be more interested like from like thestory perspective or like who you play ass
like it would it just be somannewor would it be you know, yeah,
would you create your own character?Let Dragon's Dahima or would you No?
I think no. I think hedefinitely played like a character. I

(59:57):
don't know if he be Rose ornot from seven and whatever stupid daughter's name
was, or did you just playslike here's Chris Redfield again for the ninth
time? You know? Yeah?All right? Could they possibly make it
to where like it's an everyone gamelike was it isn't six like that where
like you have a bunch of thedifferent yeah, Leon and Chris, so

(01:00:20):
yeah, you could just bring inLeon and and Chris and uh Claire and
all them be like hey, youjust get to choose who you want.
They all have different runs that youcan make. Uh really will ultimate everyone
is here? Uh right? Goodone, Scott? So no, I
could it work? I'm sure theycan make it work, right. They

(01:00:44):
could just make the main quest whereyou have to go search for the keys,
or I'm sure they can make cydequests where you have to solve puzzles
and things like that. You know, could they have it where you have
random monsters coming at you and it'snot just all like oh, I'm having
to go through a part like whereyou really do have to worry about that?
Yeah, I guess. I guessthe problem with that. Also this

(01:01:07):
might be of like balance, likehow how section off of the world had
to be like oh, you wentthe wrong building now and now the tyrant
is after you, or you know, like I think a lot of those
things are like, you know,there are more methodical rpg is kind of
you know, well, yeah,definitely those two are both RPGs. So
like, would you be making Residubalnine the RPG at that point, like

(01:01:30):
right, or do you have likelevel requirements like I can only access this
part of the city for like levelsixteen Jill. Yeah, that would be
interesting if they did that, justto see how it would work. Yeah,
Like, that's one of the thingsI really am enjoying about Dragon's Dogma
two. That almost gets me tothe point of like wanting to bde is

(01:01:50):
seeing the randomness, like just theoh man, I'm finding this ogre and
here comes this griffin and here comesthis other thing like wanting to kill me,
and then the pond just walks offthe bridge and dies, and like
it just feels so like anything canhappen in that game. And if they
were to do something similar to thatwith Resident Evil, that would be kind

(01:02:10):
of interesting just to see how thatgoes. Monster Hunter you kind of already
have that in a way, eventhough it's still it's still more about finding
the big monster, right, butyou can still have those kind of organic
moments. Yeah, small monsters occasionallyyou can, yeah, against but it's
not in a girl of the youknow, game player and then right,

(01:02:30):
So yeah, if they're doing it, I'd be happy to see what they're
doing with it. Just really quick. Forgot the rest of this at the
beginning, But if since it's aboutthe next time we do the show,
it'll be out there for you tograb. Uh. They announced the April
PlayStation plus games Minecraft Legends is goingto be one of them, Skull the

(01:02:52):
Hero Slayer, which he reviewed,Mark Yep and Immortals of Vendom. Yeah,
after all the talk about the Iguess they it just helps the studio
get money after the developer came outand said what a mistake this game was
and everything else. It's going tobe available for you to buy and you
can decide for yourself if it wasa mistake or not to be made.

(01:03:15):
So yeah, also really quick becausewe've talked about this a few times here
with what Revenue's been doing, butthey did release new details on the code
named Condor game, which is goingto be a live service game. It
will not be free to play,that will cost you money to buy.
Uh. It is going to bemade with that North Light engine and they're

(01:03:37):
putting about twenty five million euros init to start out. It's basically seems
like the Sours care to involve aroundyour The oldest house is in lockdown and
you gotta figure out what's going onin there and kill the monsters and other
things that are operating in the house. Yeah, so what do you think

(01:04:02):
about a control live service game.Do you think this, I mean a
might be interesting. I guess it'sa more uh thematically more interesting setting than
most of this, most of thiscrap, because I'm sure, you know,
Jesse'll be in there and she'll belike kind of the overseer or another
one directing me where to go.You know, create your own I'm gonna
be like, you create your ownagent, and it'll have classes like,

(01:04:25):
oh, I'm the damage Dealer soI have more telekinesis than other classes,
or you know, I'm the flyerso I can cover around and do shit
like that. I don't know,I'd be fine, but I just have
like a weird Assassin's Freed Brotherhood vibe, Like because they had that multiplayer co
op mode or multiplayer mode that oris it competitive and that's cool mode,

(01:04:45):
but it didn't last too long.I think, like only one other game
had it, and then they're like, all right, we're done. So
I gotta feeling like this will comeout, be popular for like a month,
and then everyone will just kind ofmove on. Yeah, this to
me is almost like the them sayingthey're doing the Horizon. The Horizon multiplayer
is kind of like, Okay,this could It's like, I guess the

(01:05:10):
question is like who's actually asking forthis outside Like what what are the customer?
Are the customers asking for this?You know, the shareholders are,
or you know, the publishers oryou know whoever controls the money, But
like how many emails do you getper day? Going? Like, you
know, Horizon's cool and all,but I'd really have to do is join
up with them buddies and hunt onmonsters that way. Yeah, I mean,
Horizon, I could see it,because some people do enjoy the fun

(01:05:33):
of like hunting down the robot,Yeah, I guess, or like Control.
I mean it's not like Control doesn'thave like super big boss fighting control.
I don't. I don't see anybodyreally going around going, man,
you know what I really wish Icould go in here and a bunch of

(01:05:53):
monsters. I went to the levelof twelve jacket, you know, I
got to show it off now.Yeah, like that's not but you know,
hey, if Remedy's trying to getthis as a way to make money
so they can fund more of theirsingle player stuff, as they said they
wanted to do, I think Ithink the thing is it's this thing is
yeah, stop gap because they're goingto probably reuse a lot of controls assets

(01:06:16):
as far as like architecture and graphicsand stuff like that, so they're just
gonna throwing the online part. Yeah. It's like remember Allen Wake's American Nightmare,
Like they only had three locations forthat because it was it was a
cheap game. Yeah, it's DLC. It's those early days of DLC when
DLC was actually really DALC. Thatwas scandalone though, like that was separate.

(01:06:41):
So but yeah, okay, weonly got three locations, so we
got to jenip away to like,you know, keep revision these locations every
time so people get attempt to gettheir full money's worked out of this thing.
Yeah, So I mean it doeswell just because I like the series
and everything. I feel sure ifit's fifty probably not. Yeah, the

(01:07:05):
price is gonna matter for this aswell. What are you giving me if
you're going to tell me that thisis a seventy dollars game or sixty dollars
game or whatever you're going to chargefor it. If it's something that you're
gonna have a low entry price soyou you get money, and then after
that we'll see. Yeah, Ijust like Sculling Bones. Yeah, well

(01:07:27):
Sculling Bones. I don't understand whythey charged seventy dollars for that game.
Whatever. Now we go on tothe bad news. One that isn't so
bad. Just sucks because I waskind of actually really looking forward to Earth
Blade earthplay has been delayed. Ofcourse, this is the same folks that
make Celeste powerful all that. Yeah, Maddie Thorson says that she's facing challenges

(01:07:57):
in her personal life and also,you know, just with the game as
well. They did you know,hire Kyle Colver or Pulver in here to
to kind of help with the game. Is he designed He helped in designing
a supermoto forever other things. Butstill sucks. This is one of the

(01:08:18):
games I was looking forward to.It's looked awesome every time I see it.
So still it gets delayed. Butif this makes it to where it's
a better game when it comes outnext year, that that's all that matters.
She has to put in, Shehas to put in a micro transaction
system and online. No, Idon't say that we don't need more of

(01:08:41):
that stuff. The rest of it, unfortunately, is layoffs, which sucks.
Always sucks, well except maybe relLike Entertainment gets something out of it.
Because they got sold by Sega.Uh and they are going to you
know, this includes the people thatmake the whole Home World games company of
Heroes, age, Vampires and soon. They have been sold off to

(01:09:08):
like an independent investment firm, sothey will be owned by them now.
But Sega has been helping them withthe transition over to that. They are
unfortunately going to have to lay offother employees that are not from Relic.
They are laying off two hundred andforty employees from various studios in the UK.

(01:09:32):
It sucks. I mean, ifagain, it feels like more and
more when they're when companies are selectingstudios that get layoffs, it feels like
the UK is really suffering from this. And this this includes folks that creative
Assembly, Sega Europe, some atSega Hard Light, all of them in

(01:09:55):
the UK. They're all going tobe part of this layoff of two hundred
and fifty people. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's a chame. I'm
kind of happy. I said Rockwas like a weird fit for Sega,
So I kind of unhappy that they'resplitting off. I hope Sega, I
mean hope Brolic gets back to whatthey're you know, good at making,
because I feel that the Sega's directionthey didn't. And you could say the

(01:10:16):
same thing about Creative Assembly as well, like since the big acquisition, that
seems like they've been a little lost. Yeah, it definitely feels like I
mean that's that's not like Sega's breadand butter, right, it's like other
than like I guess the two pointCampus, the two point games, right,
two point Hospital, Yeah, thingslike that. It feels like the

(01:10:38):
rest of that stuff from Sega andwhat Total War h doesn't really move the
needle that much, and so theysee it as, yeah, these are
things we can kind of do withoutor lose people because we're not getting a
lot from these studios. Yeah,like Relic may you know eight of Empires

(01:10:59):
four for X and then like CompanyHeros three, Right, the Company Heroes
is a pretty well like franchise orit's well reviewed, but it's not like
a big system seller, you know, right most of the time. So
yeah, it's to give you thatvariety of games that come from those studios
as to see if you never know, you get one that hits big,

(01:11:20):
right, and then people are excitedabout the next thing you make. So
it is always good that these studioshave that variety, but they don't always.
Unfortunately, that's like not a lot. It doesn't. It's not I
mean, it's a niche, nichekind of game out Hey, at least
coming at least relic Is still around. They didn't shut them down, yeah,
exactly. At least relic Is itgot sold off. Hopefully, they

(01:11:43):
said they're going to still support thesegames that they made, so that's a
positive as well. They're not goingto sit there and just oh, all
these games are getting shut down andwe're going to make something new. But
all the games that you already play, you know, they're still going to
be there, so that's good.Yeah as well. Uh, Smilegate Barcelona
is also going to lay off allof its staff apparently, according to Stephanie

(01:12:05):
Blaze, who used to be atIdos Montreal on Ubisoft. This is on
the LinkedIn page that basically they're atany point they're going to be set to
just lay off all the people andthat really sucks. So you know,
again, I'm just never great.Well, not related to this at all,
except for the except for the weirdname. Did you see that Hellgate

(01:12:29):
is coming back? Yes? Iwas like stunned. I was like what,
Like why. Sometimes it feels likewe're just putting in names that like,
oh, this name, this somebodyknows this name, so we're gonna
bring back a game with this namein it so that it gets somebody's attention.
And it's like wow, okay ofall the guys, but not the

(01:12:54):
right attention. What Nintendo America withthis is one thing I feared. I
talked about this when they say,well, Nintendo's not really probably gonna do
this because they're a Japanese company,but they have other branches that are from
other countries, and I then Americahas ended one hundred and twenty contract positions
in their testing department. This ismostly due to the fact that right now

(01:13:17):
there's a lull because they're gearing upfor the switch too, and they do
almost any There's a lot of talkin here by Kataku's Ethan Gotch about like,
yeah, it's pretty much because there'sa switch to happening, and they're
not part of that testing the producttesting for what's going to come out on

(01:13:39):
that system. We're not announcing it, but yeah, it's kind of exist
in existence. It's so funny tohave, like how much they we have
to like skirt around the whole switchto thing that we can't just announce it
already, But obviously it's understandable onewants to if they really did delay until

(01:14:01):
next year, they want to beable to in a certain timeframe. Yeah,
so yeah, sucks for these contractors. Hopefully a lot of them will
be able to maybe get picked upback in once switched to development goes in
full force, you know, orthey have more games that we know we're
coming to switch to. But theyare getting severage packages and all that stuff.

(01:14:25):
So that's good in a way,but again, sucks. These folks
are losing their jobs. Also,Certain Affinity is laying off twenty five people
and this is the first time they'relaying off people in seven they're seventeen plus
years of history. Unfortunately, theyhad to let go about ten percent of
us workforce. They have around tuneand fifty workers. You know, he's

(01:14:47):
basically saying, this is just theindustry at the moment, and that unfortunately
had to make this decision. Theygot to continue to grow, they got
to all those things that. Youknow, you normally hear everybody say during
this time, but we're laying peoplelot because you have to grow, you
have to grow bigger. Yeah,we have to grow infinitely. If that's

(01:15:09):
one thing Phil Spencer said constantly inthat interview, and I was just like,
oh my god. At some point, like no, for them,
they definitely do need to, Uh, they got to grow to try to
compete with the people that they're competingwith. But it's like this infinite amount,
like you cannot grow infinitely, Likeat some point you just got to
sustain, like you're not going tocontinue to like at some point the consolestolls

(01:15:31):
are going to go down. Atsome point, all this stuff's especially when
all of them have said Sony said, Microsoft has said, Phil Spencer has
said it, Nintendo has said it, like the recent console prices are not
going on a permanent drop. It'sbecause all the stuff that goes inside the
console is not dropping either. Soat some point, the a lot of

(01:15:51):
the sales that you pick up whenpeople are wanting to buy them on a
price cut, it's not happening.So those people are deciding, oh,
I'm going to send that money somewhereelse or I'm not going to buy the
second console because I don't have themoney to do that. So, you
know, it's an interesting dichotomy atthis point of like this is really that

(01:16:15):
first generation that we haven't really seenthe like big sales drops like we normally
do at this point, Like we'retalking about we're not fully four years in,
but we're three and almost a halfyears in, and like, okay,
we've had Xbox have a really goodsale during the holidays and PlayStation kind

(01:16:35):
of knocks their thing on sale invarious regions or whatever here and there.
But it's like it's not, ohhey, PlayStation five is now four hundred
dollars and the digital is now threehundred dollars, Like that's not happening,
right, Yeah, So that isa big deal in itself as well that

(01:16:57):
you know, you have to thinkabout anything else you want to discuss here.
I will be end the show,nobody, Yeah, go back with
plan. I'm sure that that willbe. It has been on so already.
I'm sure we'll be on. Soagain, I think PlayStations doing their
spring sale right now, so gocheck that out. They do every week,

(01:17:20):
but they're doing like this is oneof their big sales, whether it's
lasting for like the whole month.Yeah, so I'm sure that they will
do what they normally do is justthey add in different games every week or
something like that. Yeah, that'swhat I don't like. Yeah, you
know, so like you have tokind of pay attention because next week it'll
be some other games that are onsale, and the big ones that we're
on seal may not be on soanymore. Uh, it's getting gets you

(01:17:43):
to come back to the to thatthing constantly. So that being said,
I guess going to games that arecoming out in this week ahead. You
have this really cool indie called pepperGrinder that's coming to Switch in PC.
That's actually out right now. Iforgot to mention Open Roads is not on
game Pass and everything butt Switch.That's that like narrative game that has Caitlin

(01:18:06):
Deaver and oh my god, Ican't remember her name right now. She's
in the Americans and something. Yes, Carrie Russell, she used to plays
the mom So yeah, you candefinitely go check that out. The F
zero Massive Velocity comes to Switch online. So you wanted to play that,

(01:18:29):
you definitely can. We're getting intothat part where it's very much like March
where April is going to have somethings in between, but it's all kind
of stuffed at the end of themonth again, so this is kind of
like we're sort of just making ittill then you just have the big releases
with the the major three that cameout like last week. So this week

(01:18:55):
is kind of like you get smallerstuff coming until you get the around the
twenty third ish where you get thebig games. So yeah, for sure,
everybody, you know, if youhaven't gone and played those one of
those three and you're interested, definitelygo do. So. Yeah, nothing

(01:19:16):
that I'm really other than like Weatherand Ruins, which looks in it like
an interesting age horror RPG that lookspretty decent. And Freedom Planet two is
coming to console. I like thefirst Freedom Planet books should go. Yeah,
I'm over that. Yeah, AndTurbo Golf Racing and I think that's
going to be on Game Pass alsothat's coming as well. So all right,

(01:19:41):
well that's it for the show thisweek. Hopefully y'all enjoyed it.
Yes, as Scott says, CellarBlade demo is out right now, I
have any hide a download, I'mgoing to go play that on Sunday and
probably will definitely be talking about itnext week Don't Forget Again. Spoiler cast
for and Rebirth. On Tuesday,Scott is gonna be on Randy's Bad Bracket

(01:20:05):
Show with Andrew with Andrew to doour best final fantasy games. That will
be interesting to see both Andrew andScott get to be on there and they
never been on there for It's interestinghow that's gonna go down because Randy has
a very good habit of putting insome interesting matchups to make you want to

(01:20:27):
pull your hair out, So that'llbe fun when we get to that.
Of course that'll be on April eighth, that that will come out, So
yeah, we'll see or the fifteenth, I'm not sure, but definitely.
At least we're recording it so youguys know what's coming up. Until then,
folks, we'll see all later.Like subscribe, follow all that stuff

(01:20:47):
that helps out. Bye,

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