October 28, 2025 • 37 mins
Host Dale Cooper and Dr. Steven Ghareeb discus dental hygiene, best practices, cutting edge procedures, and the history of the field.
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Speaker 3 (00:37):
Twenty two minutes past the hour, that's eight o'clock for
you those. If you keeping track at home, you're listening
to ask the expert. Do you see hs the voice
for Charleston. I'm Del Cooper. Thanks for tuning in on
this Tuesday morning. A little overcast this morning as you're
coming into work, but otherwise thanks are holding off pretty well,
whether it's not too bad. Might see you a little
bit of scattered showers throughout this afternoon. Things will go
clear up a little later on in the afternoon, and
then this evening it's supposed to be nice, a little
(00:59):
bit chilly outside, but we of course have the nineteenth
annual trick or beat over at the Ballpark tonight where
we're gonna be giving away copious amounts of Halloween candy,
I mean so much Halloween candy.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
And that's relatively.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Relevant to what we're gonna be talking about today in
studio with me today we have a doctor Carson Henland,
doctor Stephen Garib from a REB dental group where it's
the Halloween Candy special at least a little bit is
that time of year to talk about what happens this
time of year to your teeth. And we know from
a copious amount of data going back years and decades
and decades that sugar and teeth don't match as far
(01:34):
as from a health food standpoint goes. So we're gonna
talk about those things this morning, and you can control
the conversation as well if you have if you have
a question about your dental hygiene, or maybe if that
a loved one, an issue that's come up that maybe
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(01:55):
call this morning. Three zero four three four five fifty
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Speaker 4 (01:59):
Gentlemen, how you doing this morning?
Speaker 5 (02:00):
I'm doing great. How about yourself?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Doing well?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Doctor Stephen, thanks for coming in this morning. Always look
forward to our Halloween episodes.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
It is that time of year, and uh, I don't.
I'd forgotten about it until we walked in this morning, like,
oh you know what, it's it's Halloween time.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
It is.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Talk about whatever you want to talk about. Yeah, we
don't have to do that. I don't want to force
you into the Halloween. It's our duty.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
It is our duty is dentists to address this at
this time of year. So yeah, well we're happy to
be very happy to get into that. The overarching theme
is we want kids to have fun and enjoy the
holiday of Halloween, but do it responsible.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
And I think we also have before we get into
the sugary bits, to take us one throughout today. You
have a an acknowledgement or an announcement for our esteem, doctor,
doctor Hanmer.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
We have a very lustrous guest with us today, being
that of doctor Carson Henley. He is I believe it's
considered a fellow of the Pierre fran Hello. Hello, Academy.
It's very prestigious academy really in dentistry. It's it's really
cool if you look it up. They they nominate individuals
(03:09):
that have really contributed not only to the profession of dentistry,
but humanity as a whole. And we're very proud to
have doctor Henley in the ranks of that academy. So
I've turned over to him to tell us a little
more about that in the time that he had congratulations.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I looked this up last night after doctor Steveh has
sent it to me and and a massive congratulations, really
very very good stuff.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
And I can and I definitely can see it. Oh boy, well,
thank you very much.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
From from here on out, I'm going to be speaking
with a French accent.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
No I am from France. No, I can't pull that off,
very little gray sales door exactly.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
But but Pierre Fauchard is actually known as the modern
father of modern dentistry going back to the seventeen hundred.
So a guy in Minnesota nineteen thirty six created an
international dental organization just for just high ethics high uh,
giving back kind of a way to make make sure
people kind of are in a brotherhood or sisterhood of
(04:12):
of of dentists that want to always give back, and
so he created the Pierre Fauchard And what was awesome
at this event.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
It was a black tie event in d C.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Which was like, this is a first for me, you know,
being on a black tie in Washington, DC or Nation's capital.
But there was a French guy who won an award
and he said the name of the organization, and it
was awesome.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
I've never actually heard it being like the French word.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Yeah, and so all of us Americans like Pierre Fauchard,
you know, like we don't know how to say it
correctly by the like, it was like so cool.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Anyway, the first station in high school used to get
on us for our boone County French is what you would.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Always call it. I get that for sure, but yeah,
but it was very prestigious. It was a wonderful event.
Me and my wife went and we had a great
time in DC. Actually got a photo from in front
of the White House, which was kind of neat. We
kind of walked a few blocks from our hotel and back,
but overall just a really quick trip. But I'm honored
to be in this really cool organization. But I think
(05:11):
that's enough about me. Well, massive congratulations for real. Yeah,
that's good stuff and it's always good to follow. Uh,
but you guys are on the air all the time,
here are folks when I know about that, like the
sharings that happened like that, so that that's absolutely good stuff.
And I was cracking up out loud because I forgot
it was Halloween in like three days and we're like,
this is our Halloween thing.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
We're like, oh, we should probably talk Halloween sugar.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
He come on, but here I was all geared up
for it, and uh, sorry about that, guys, but it
is we've done the show in some respects for a
long time, and it is it seems like that this
is an overly simplistic thing to say, but candy's not
going anywhere. In fact, it seems like that we're finding
new and inventive ways to find ways to eat candy.
(05:52):
And you know, there's all kinds of misconceptions out there
in some levels because you hear all of the pushback
against the ultra processed food and processed candy, processed sugar,
do you know, different things like those lines. And that's
true from a health standpoint, sure, but sugar, no matter
how natural it is, is still bad for your teeth.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
That's right, and even sugar substitutes can be so exactly right,
it is worth taking a look at. But yeah, so
to give kind of a baseline here with the sugar discussion,
just to educate everyone on how it really works, is
it's about constant exposure. And you think, of course, I'm
not going to constantly be eating sugar, but if you're
(06:34):
constantly sipping on a coke all day long or a
mountain dew, you know you're bathing your teeth in sugar
the entire day. What sugar does to the structure of
the tooth is it attaches to it. It starts eating
it away and breaking it down. It's like almost like
an acid onto the tooth that penetrates in there, and
it allows other bacteria to get in to the tooth
(06:55):
to create a cavity. And for children that aren't don't
have the dexterity to really brush and floss as well
as as an adult wood when they're eating on candy
all day long or drinking these sugary drinks all day long.
Even milk has a lot of sugar in it as well.
It it gets in between the teeth and creates some
(07:16):
very serious cavity issues. So that's something that it's been
acknowledged that a lot of the preventive measures that we've
made is one of the one of the greatest world
health advancements of the past century. So it's it's it's
also one of those things similar to some of the
(07:39):
older diseases that we're not used to having now. Uh,
tooth decay and and tooth infections used to be a
really really big, much bigger deal than it is today.
And people listening that have had a tooth infection, like man,
that is a big deal, but it happened on a
very much larger scale before dentistry intervened. So we've we
know a lot about sugar, what it does to the teeth,
(08:00):
and we want to limit its exposure. The good news
is that once you expose your teeth to sugar, our
saliva naturally buffers it naturally counteracts that if you give
your mouth enough of a break before it's next sugar exposure,
if that makes sense. So so that's where I say,
(08:21):
you know, it's it's not something that you need to
take away everybody's candy, but just use it responsibly give it.
My advice is to, you know, let children enjoy their
their trick or treating. Let them have the candy that night,
but don't keep it out on a bowl and snack
on it for the next two weeks straight, you know,
all day long. Keep it more like no, I mean
(08:43):
that's fine.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
If you do it like it will be like Easter
and I'll be like, why is there still a bowl
of Halloween candy in here?
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Yeah, oh for sure. It gets to the point where
you do have to throw it away, like get it
out of that like literally. But but no, I mean
if you even if you have like one piece three
times a day, that's all right, just not all day long.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
I had to throw away.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
I found a bag in our cabinet, and this is
because I confiscated it last year and hit it. And
then as I was doing some cleaning up earlier this year,
I found a giant bag that was full of what
I just call street candy. It's candy where we went
to various things last year and people threw like candy
down on the street and my daughter went out and
scooped it up.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
I'm like, man, you are not eating.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
This exhausting that exhaust asphalt candy.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
I don't think you're going to eat that?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Right?
Speaker 5 (09:26):
How is it Halloween has become there are more events
around Halloween than I think Christmas. It seems like that, right.
How many trigger treating events do my children go?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
And not only that, but then Christmas has now become
a candy holiday, like the Christmas was never really a
candy holiday. When I was growing up. It was sweet, sure,
like pastries and cakes and different things. And now you
get like everything candy. It's like, I mean.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
It's a corporate sponsorship.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Big Chocolate, right, Big candy. Believe me, I've never been
so scandalized as when I found out about Big Cheese.
It's a real thing, and it's amazing how much that
they control our diet in the a Big Cheese does
a couple of things that I ran across. One thing
that I thought was interesting, and I remember this from
previous years because I've read both of these. I think
I remember you talked about tooth infections. And one of
(10:12):
the things in like a popular writings from from older
Tom's or like fiction like if you see like somebody,
like an old movie, a western, or something like how
often is there where somebody has like a bad tooth
and they have to take a swig of whiskey before
they pull the tooth.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Out or whatever.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Also, I always found it was interesting that in both
the writings of Thomas Edison and in Benjamin Franklin, they
mentioned just a bad teeth or infected teeth or something
like that as being a problem of the day. It's
in both of their journals, and I think it's kind
of interesting that because it was such an issue, you know,
like just having an infected tooth was like a major
issue for the time.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
What's one of the main things George Washington's known for.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah, they're not really fault or they're not really wooden teeth.
They were something else that woulden right, But I've seen them.
I've seen the actual teeth.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Yeah, actual teeth in a dentist dentistry museum I believe
in Baltimore. But but yeah, they they're pretty child like
used to be. You have like springs in there, and
I like, you look at it, like, how could this
ever go into somebody's mouth? But yeah, things have come
a long way, for sure.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, the technology is amazing. So some of the things
I ran across when when looking into candy, and of
course we do these things all the time, but it
looks like that we that Americans consume up to six
hundred and seventy five grams that's twenty four ounces, so
a pound and a half of Halloween candy in some
cases on Halloween, a pound and a half of candy.
(11:30):
The average US household spends about forty dollars on candy
on the day. Major survey found that nearly thirty percent
of Americans say they're a favorite Halloween candy is Recea's.
So you know, it's candy, but at least it's not
you know, taffy or something that really gets stuck in
the teeth.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
You know.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
The thing about chocolate is it melts.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
At least there's that right in peanut butter. Two, I guess.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Mentioning to the types of candy, the gummy sticky ones,
those hang onto the tooth a little bit longer. And
if that's something they're that your children are eating all
the time, tension there. Make sure they're they're brushing and
flossing their teeth and soon thereafter and then the the
chocolate's melt. But then the hard candies, oh break, Yeah,
(12:11):
they just break your teeth. Yeah, and so that's something
to watch for.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I don't know if anybody else has this, and the
visual is kind of appalling, honestly, but it seems like
that our Halloween candy bag when it gets down to
the dregs and there's not that much left. It's just
a bag full of tootsy rolls. There's nothing but tottsy
rolls in it because nobody eats them. And and part
of me thinks it's because of the teeth thing.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Man.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
I remember as a kid the last time I had
a totsy roll, it was like an emergency where I
felt like I had a totty roll fused to my
tooth and I would never be able to get it out.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Of course, keep it in your mouth long enough and
warm it up and you can pull it out.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I've had that with a jolly rancher before too, where
you just take like a flat bite into it and
then suddenly it feels like you're never getting rid of
that thing out of your own.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Reports of dentists using jolly ranchers to remove crowns, so.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
You know, because they have to act it.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Here bite on this and open it, you know, but
they pull a lot of dunetwork, for sure.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
My kid has two like cartoon bucky teeth right now
that need to come out, because she's got her top
one here on the bottom one almost right below it
that there. I mean, they're almost you can bend them
at like a forty five degree angle. I mean, those
things are just flapping around, but I can't. They won't
like quite come all the way out yet. But I
was telling her last night because we always you know,
no candy at bedtime, No candy bedtime. She doesn't like
(13:23):
hard candy, but I was last night. I was like,
you want to try like some hard candy.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Can I stick this up in there and see if
we can maybe just pull that thing out?
Speaker 3 (13:32):
We got it. Tonight's Halloween. Man, you couldn't lose these
teeth back before Halloween night. It'd be an awful nice
if you could have got rid of both of those
things before Halloween night. But I guess that's not the
way that's going to be. You mentioned about chocolate a
minute ago. I did find it was interesting that more
and more states are identifying as Skittles as being their
favorite candy now, so that the chewy gummy candy is
becoming all the more popular, and it is the grow
(13:52):
the fastest growing area of candy cells. It has grown
about five percent over the last year. That's a non
chocolate candy. So we're starting to see the enemy, uh,
the non chocolate candy starting to be a little bit
more prevalent. As far as things like that goes as
far as general tips for like parents on Halloween night
and things like that, I mean, you're not gonna stop
your kids from eating candy. I mean, I mean, I
(14:13):
guess if that's your household, that's up to you. But
assuming that your kids are going to eat some of
that candy, it's not like you should carry around a
toothbrush and in between every house brush their teeth. There's
actually some timing you should give them and some good
practices that they could put in there.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Yeah, no, no, it's you don't have to go crazy
about it. You know, if you have the evening of
trick or treating, let the let the children get their candy,
eat it. And and then there is some validity to
actually waiting for a little bit of time after having
candy to allow your your saliva to again buffer that
(14:45):
that sugar in the and and and the damage is
done to the teeth, because if you go in street
after having candy and scrub the teeth, it can drive
that sugar kind of deeper in in a sense. But
but yeah, just take it easy, let them have their fun,
give them a little break, and before they go to bed,
(15:06):
make sure the last thing they're eating isn't candy, and
then brush their teeth.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Also alarming for Dennis and Nevada perhaps is that in
looking at the popular candy map, this map is kind
of a mess. Not to get too into the weeds here,
but it has like the up of Michigan as a
separate state for some reason. But there's no Hawaii or
Alaska in it anyway. But anyway, Starburst is the only
state where Starburst is the top candy is in Nevada,
(15:30):
and I just have to imagine that sounds like a
tooth nightmare.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
I wonder what's the deal there, But yeah, Starburst, so
it likes to stick around. It gets in between there
for sure. But that's an interesting map. Yeah, I have
never seen the US colored in candy.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Yeah, For those of you interested, the swath of Ohio,
West Virginia, and Virginia are all eminem ardents apparently where
we're surrounded by KitKat.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
The other states are all Kitcats.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
I am staring at this map, and I just think
candy can bring us together as a nation.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
It is true. Well, you're textan the tech Skittles. Does
that make sense to you?
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Sure? Yeah, Skittles are great.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
I mean not not for the teeth, but they're delicious.
I mean, we got textas in Illinois that love Skittles.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Right, so you can bridge that gap there. You know,
we have West Virginia and California. We like him and
m or eminem people know. Hey, you know, candy.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Can bridge the divide that's separating us.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Oh man, it should be dental hygiene though, right, I mean,
if we want to stay on Brando, maybe dental hat
gene is the thing.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
It's the thing.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Let's see here, we got we got about twenty minutes
of the top hot hour candy. Let's do this. Let's
take a break. We still have plenty of things we
want to talk about. We'll get more into some things
around Halloween times. Some things you want to look out
for tonight, some some general tips, and also anything to
do with dental hygiene. If you want to control the
conversation doesn't all have to be Halloween and candy related.
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of charleson in studio with them this morning, doctor Carson Henling,
doctor Stephen Garib from Gharib Dental Group. It's the Halloween
edition of Talking about your Teeth. We can talk about
any number of things this morning, but of course Halloween.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Well.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Tricker beat Us Tonight Tricker Treat in Kanall County is
on Thursday Night Trick or Bean unfortunately sold out, so
if you don't have your tickets to that, you're not
going to get into the stadium tonight.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
And unfortunately, what's that?
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Do you know how many numbers?
Speaker 4 (19:48):
What do we do?
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Two thousand? I think one thousand each session or something
like that. I think, Yeah, it's a lot, it's a lot.
We and the and now it looks like that tonight's
the best weather night of the week. It's going to
be a little chilly, but it's going to be clear.
The the week, we're going to see some rain, including
on Thursday night. Unfortunately, so uh uh I'm kind of
uh my kid is going to get her full uh
full treat of of of treat, tricks to night, tricks
(20:11):
of treat whatever. Anyway, she's going to get full tonight
and hopefully not be so disappointed on Thursday night when
maybe we don't go out so much because uh, you know,
she's seven. She just got over being sick. She doesn't
need to be out in the uh in the rain, yeah,
not so much, not so much. Yeah, well yeah, and
her costume is a uh, it's really cute.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
It's Perry the.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Penguin from uh what cartoon is that from uh Phineas
and for one of them, I can't remember anyway, but
it's furry, so if it gets wet, it's going to
be really bad. So it's not going to be that great.
She wanted to be a K Pop demon Hunter, but
those things sold out many.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
Dude, Well, so Winnie is going as roomy. My wife
bought it like three months again. Yeah good good good
uh good looking out there? Yeah yeah, good looking out there.
We had him.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
My daughter was a little bit hedging because we looked
at him at first, because we we thought about it.
Then she changed her mind. Then she went back and
forth and back and forth. But she she loves I
think we break out into random dance parties everywhere with
one of the various K PopEd even Hunter songs.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
She loves it.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
No candy there though, so that's good and not so
bad for your teeth, I guess as far as those
things go. We were talking about some different things that
maybe you could look into to help on this sugary
candy night. Then there are some things that we talked
about in the past, but of course there are some
like non sugar free gums and things like that that
you can maybe chew on and those can help a
little bit and moving the sugar off and creating salov
(21:33):
and things like that.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
And they look for things with xylotol, it's kind of
hard to find. It was hot for a little while
and it went away, but we in the dental field
really like it. It's a good sugar substitute that actually
helps combat cavities. So you find that in some gums
and different toothpastes and mouth rinses, so xylotol is a
(21:55):
is a good alternative as well. And then there and
as far as stickiness goes, if we're talking about gum,
the one that we've always recommended traditionally is Freedent, which
is another one's kind of hard to find because it's
known and it's made not to pull off pull out
dental work, you know, not to not to stick so much.
So that's another alternative as well.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
A theory that I've had. I don't know if this
is true or not.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
You can answer this if you if like, if I'm
chewing gum and I noticed that there's like a particular
tooth that the gum seems to adhere to, does that
mean I have enamel problems on that tooth.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
Well, it's not necessarily it's probably has to do with
either the shape of the tooth or maybe it's some
dental work that has like a filling that has a
different surface texture that might might grab something a little
bit more. But yeah, you can have some you have
some sticky teeth.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Sometimes it drives me nuts because if I have like
some of the like I'll have usually I prefer like
a like a mint instead of a gum, but sometimes
I'll get a gum and if I chew it, there's
like a particular tooth that it seems like it always
gets stuck on and I have to find a way
to like pull it off my tooth.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Like it's just a little strand.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
It just everybody has a little thing now, and that's
worth mentioning, especially if you don't have a regular dental care.
If things like that are happening, it could be a
way to warn you, hey, when you get this thing
checked out, So make sure nothing's going on there.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
By the way, it looks like most of the tridents
and Take five and orbits, most of those gums still
has aylatol in them. So if you're looking for something
like that, you can grab you some and take it
with you. I thought it was interesting. I was reading
a fiction book. Actually doesn't really matter what it was about,
but there was a transaction between where somebody was in
an accident and they got and they got hurt and
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a paramedic had to save them, and when they got
to the hospital, the person that was in the accident
was told that they were missing their tooth from the
person the doctor that was checking them in and the
paramedic that brought him and said, oh, I have it here,
and they spit it out of their mouth.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
And I was thinking, oh, this.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Is exactly like something that that doctor Garb would talk
about this paramedic. This is seemed to me kind of
authentic that this paramedic thought about something like that, that
they found their tooth on the ground and popped it
in his mouth to take it to the hospital to
preserve it. I guess that was a little gross. I
guess that's a very brave pic but also place to
put But also that would be the thing that would
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save the tooth right right. Maybe he knew the guy
it was in Australia too, so maybe it was something
that you know, Australians do you know, you know, I
mean they have giant spiders and things there, so maybe
the a little bacteria on the tooth didn't really bother
them all that much in the mouth. But I have
to me, when I was reading that, I felt a
sense of authenticity from that moment because I was like,
you know what, that seems like something that actually seems
like I mean, I know that it's true, so it
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seems like, you know, it kind of built the character
for that map.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
I appreciated it very very fascinating. But yeah, to review
trauma tooth trauma. If a tooth comes out, your own
tooth comes out, and you need to get to the dentist,
put it right back into your mouth. You just don't
swallow it and or you know, if you have a
family member that that happens to, you know that could happen.
That's that's better than putting it into milk or water.
But those are those are options. Well, you want to
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keep the tooth moist and then try and get it back.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
In drinking water on Candy Night's not a bad idea either, right.
It helps lube up the teeth and maybe knock some
of the stuff off.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
Yeah, so water, Uh definitely helps clean things off. The
other thing, talking about gum, a lot of people think, oh,
you know, they come in, Oh, sorry, I was chewing gum.
I shouldn't be chewing gum. That's not necessarily true. If
you have tmd tm J jaw muscle joint problems, it
can be harder on your joints, of your of your
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jaws to be chewing gum. That repetitive use. But what
does gum do to the oral environment? Any any losses?
What does it make you do?
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Salivate? Salavate?
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Ok, hey makes you get more saliva, more saliva, which
is your natural defense against cavities. So if you're that's
a that's another benefit of a sugar free gum. If
you get a sugar free gum chewing it, it's gonna
create more SALIVEA it's going to combat those sugars and
en counteract them as well. So, uh, you know, use
gum responsibly. But I'm a fan.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Yeah, that seems like that seems like it makes sense.
And uh, it's always weird to me when things like like,
I think gum is a pretty good strategy, right, but
not all gum or is good. Gum obviously there's like
bubble gums, is there even an I guess it still exists, right,
It seems like almost it seems like almost all the
gums are these gums. But I guess there's still the
sugary gums out there.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Thankfully, the sugar freeze have really taken off and gotten
a lot better than they used to be, so they're
they're much more prevalent popular, But there's plenty of sugar.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
I can imagine that that a low key problem for
dental hygiene for years was like juicy fruit or something,
you know, like in that just straight sugar gums, right,
juicy fruit? Yeah right, yeah, right, yeah for sure, And
I guess I guess they are still around that it's uh,
but you can you can it is you can explore
different options with with candies and different things like that too.
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There are things out there that you can not only
sugar free things, but you can. I think even dark
chocolates I think are a little better than what the
uh the different shark. But the but the bottom line
is is you want to be responsible with any of
this stuff, and you want to You don't have to
brush your teeth right away, but you do want to
make sure that you brush your teeth. Don't go to
bed with a with a mouthful of sugar, does alving
in your mouth, because that seems like that it would
be very bad.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
The other tip for parents, you know, it's all about
you know, how do I get these kids to brush
their teeth and to take care of them?
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Well.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
The other thing a lot of parents overlook are the
floor eyed rinses like act has been the classic one
for years that has fluoride in it. That's topical. You
nse it, spit it out, but it coats the teeth
and it helps counteract that cavity activity. So around Halloween
time it's not a bad idea to pick up some
of these floor eyde rinses and after the children have
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engorged themselves with candy, let them brush their teeth and
then top it off with the floor eyed rents. That'd
be really nice too.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
For whatever reason, my daughter really picked up one some rinses.
That's one thing that she uses all the time. Now
sometimes I swish, I know she does a great job.
She can swish, she can gargle, she could do the
whole thing. In fact, I try to tell it, Okay,
you don't need to goggle with this stuff. Let's just
get it out of your mouth. You don't have to.
I don't want you to swallow it, but she could do. Yeah,
it's idly. She likes to create the bubbles and it's
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all good. But she does a very good job with it.
And that's really and I think it has helped her
tooth health quite a bit because I think it makes
her paid more attention. I think when she's brushing her
teeth because she's anticipating that coming next.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
And then we do.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
A thing where we tom ourselves with the with the
mouth rents, so she might she always wants to make
sure she gets it right in the recommended amount of time,
so we always have to set a time or and
do it right in the recommended amount of time.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
But it works out and it's helped her. Yeah. The other.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Product that would work pretty similarly and or well would
be the rinses that help detect plaque. So there are
some that actually when you can rinse the mouth stain
where you've missed brushing, and for children, it is fascinating
to see after they've brushed their teeth. Okay, rinse with
this stuff. Let's see what's left. It does looks like
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they haven't touched their teeth. Yeah sometimes but but yeah,
so that's another adjunct you can use around this time
of year, especially to help your children identify where the
sugars are in their mouth and then once once they
see them, they can easily brush it off and uh
and it helps out a lot.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
I think back in the late seventies when I when
I did this, they sent it home with me in
like a dental kit, and it was like a little
it wasn't paced. It was like a little purple pill
that you you popped into the into like a little
bit of water almost like alca sels or something, and
then you like drank it or switched it. I can't
remember what you did, but yeah, like your mouth was
just like just turned purple. It was like, here's all
the all the junkie your mouth. Yeah, it's crazy, it's
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all startling. Disclosing tablets we have them. You can pop
them in, chew them up and it stains.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
That's what, okay, right, and rinse it out.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
And in dental school, in order to pass the class,
every student had to pass that score with a ninety
nine percent or more of plaque removal. Wow, and it
was a hard thing to do. I could imagine it
really is. So we'd use those disclosing tablets. You're like,
are you kidding me? I still have this stuff? And
then you're getting your floss in there and get the
right type of floss to really scrub it off. So
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so yeah, it's uh, it's enlightening when you use this.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Can the observant parent, I'm sorry, Putrick Carson.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
No, no, I'm saying that is fascinating that in dental school
that's a requirement and even as an expert, it's still
difficult sometimes. And so if you're out there having trouble,
we also have trouble.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Yeah that makes sense, right, Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
Proper brushing is not I mean, it's it's something that
you have to work at.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Yeah, and and yeah, I mean there's a method to
get I mean my kid when she first started brushing,
she would stick the thing in her mouth and half
the time that the brush head would be turned around
the other way, you know, right, So I mean it
takes a little time to to to kind of put
those things together. I was thinking, can can observant parents
use a candy holiday to maybe like diagnose problems with
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her kids. Like if your kid complains about like or
if or even as an adult you're complaining about a
twinge and a tooth or something like that after eating candy.
I mean that could give you are an idea that
you have a cavity or something already in development.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
Right, exactly right. That is a great point, because when
you have a tooth that's per sensitive to sugar, that's
that's a warning sign, you know, that's an indication that
something's wrong with that tooth. When patients come in and
they say, you know, yeah, I want to eat sweets,
this tooth is bothering me. I'm almost for sure there's
a cavity in it, right, if it's if, maybe it
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needs a root can out at that point. So yes, absolutely,
if you're noticing sensitivity, you should you should should bring
that up with your dentist.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
And I imagine that that we might be summoning across
a lot of those over the next couple of days.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
But don't ignore it.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
If you have that problem, make sure to get it
taken care of, because it's better to do it sooner
rather than later.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
That is true, And I don't want to steal the
show here, but I do want to pivot before we
are done here because we talked about my award earlier
in the show. But I also want to point out
that the gazet Mail has a survey that goes out
every year, right about the best dry cleaner, is the
best restaurant, YadA YadA. Well, they also have a category
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called the best Cosmetic Dentist in the Valley. Oh and
I don't know if you know this, Dale, but we
are in the presence of said best cosmetic dentist in
the Valley, doctor Stephen Greeb here, So I don't I
want doctor Stephen to say a little bit about how
what he does to make sure that he is at
the top of his game, to make sure he is
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the best quote unquote uh cosmetic dentist in the valley.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
Thank you, Thank you, doctor Henley. It's worth mentioning Gharib
Dental Group one for the best dentist in as we
were able to pick that up. So it's great that
that the that the public is recognizing that. So we
enjoy that, uh and really appreciate the votes that people
put in for them. But with cosmetic dentistry in particular,
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it's it's is a and it's not necessarily a specialty
in dentistry. So it is something that most any dentists
can claim that they are a cosmetic dentist, but then
you have to really prove it as far as to
your patients and to yourself and and in order to
keep at the top of my game, Doctor Henley was
inducted into into an academy. But I'm a member, and
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many of us are members of the Academy of Cosmetic Dentistry,
And there's a track there where you're pursuing accreditation and
you're presenting cases and being judged upon those and it
ensures that you're at the top of your game. And
and it's it's a tough thing to do and something
I've I've been pursuing for for many years and participating in.
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So it's there are classes that I go to UH
yearly and UH and regularly to to hone those skills
and to learn about new techniques and provide the best
cosmetic outcomes for our patients. And it's not just pretty
fillings and veneers. It comes down to even doing a
a tooth in the back of your mouth, making it
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look as natural as we possibly can and and proud
to proud to have that recognition for sure.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
So when you talk about cosmetic dnistry, you mentioned of
veneers and things like that. What eld is that encompass?
What is it considered cosmetic ministry?
Speaker 5 (33:54):
Yeah, so that's cosmetic dentistry classically. People think of anything
that you do to your smile to make it look
better of what people can see basically, and many people
think that means your front tooth, but in many of
much of the training that we go through, it shows
that it encompasses many more than just the front couple
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of teeth. I call the front six teeth from canine
to canine your smiling teeth. We call that the esthetic zone,
and then really we expand that to the two teeth
behind it, because when you smile, it's not just those
front six teeth that show from the side. You're seeing
those teeth on the side as well, So we want
to round out the smile. There's an entire mentality and
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technique called smile design where we are really designing the
position of all of those teeth in the smile, taking
photos to be able to see the light reflection of
those So any any aspect of dentistry can be wrapped
into cosmetic dentistry. In fact, with the accreditation that I'm pursuing,
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one case, we had to replace a tooth in the
front of the mouth, which had to be one of
the front six teeth, one of your smiling teeth, and
to make it look as natural as possible, to make
it seem that no one could notice that anyone was
that that person was missing a tooth. You could use
a dental implant for that, you could use a dental
bridge for that. So there are many ways to do it.
(35:22):
But the cosmetic dentistry really is almost more of a
mindset of your entire scope of practice.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
That's a very insightful answer, and I think it clarifies
a lot of things because, like you said, a lot
of things could be or most things could be cosmetic.
I mean, if you need a root canal, you can
just get a root canal done and there may not
be anything else that the patient needs to have done.
But if it's depending on where it is and the
type of replacement you're having and things like that, you
may need to make sure that that's cosmetically pleasing to
the person.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Absolutely, Yeah, you can have a root canal done on
one of your front teeth, right, just the root canal
and a little filling there. But then that tooth starts
turning dark and suddenly we've got some cosmetic concerns.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Yeah, that makes it.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
That makes it, And so that's hugely important for folks,
especially when it comes to quality of life and being
happy with themselves and things along those lines.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
I mean, that's hugely important.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
And the big difference is when you see when you
have a patient or a friend of yours that comes
in and you can tell a Wow, something's been done,
you know, to their teeth. They're they're whiter, but maybe
they're too white, maybe they're too big, too broad, you know,
and then the teeth kind of entered before the room,
in the room before the patient does. That's not what
we're trying to avoid.
Speaker 8 (36:25):
We do.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
That's not considered cosmetic dmistry. That's that's maybe cosmetic dynistry
not done so well.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
That's great stuff. As ausher, Doctor Stephen, thank you so
much for your time appreciated this week. Yes, sir, thank you,
doctor doctor Carson you as well, thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
I'm now king Candy King, Candy King, cany Halloween, Happy
Halloween everyone.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
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Speaker 3 (00:37):
Twenty two minutes past the hour, that's eight o'clock for
you those. If you keeping track at home, you're listening
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for Charleston. I'm Del Cooper. Thanks for tuning in on
this Tuesday morning. A little overcast this morning as you're
coming into work, but otherwise thanks are holding off pretty well,
whether it's not too bad. Might see you a little
bit of scattered showers throughout this afternoon. Things will go
clear up a little later on in the afternoon, and
then this evening it's supposed to be nice, a little
(00:59):
bit chilly outside, but we of course have the nineteenth
annual trick or beat over at the Ballpark tonight where
we're gonna be giving away copious amounts of Halloween candy,
I mean so much Halloween candy.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
And that's relatively.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Relevant to what we're gonna be talking about today in
studio with me today we have a doctor Carson Henland,
doctor Stephen Garib from a REB dental group where it's
the Halloween Candy special at least a little bit is
that time of year to talk about what happens this
time of year to your teeth. And we know from
a copious amount of data going back years and decades
and decades that sugar and teeth don't match as far
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as from a health food standpoint goes. So we're gonna
talk about those things this morning, and you can control
the conversation as well if you have if you have
a question about your dental hygiene, or maybe if that
a loved one, an issue that's come up that maybe
you want a second opinion on, or maybe you're just
not sure about modern technology on things like on things
like endplants, or maybe your root canal, anything like that
you have questions on, you're welcome to give us a
(01:55):
call this morning. Three zero four three four five fifty
fifty eight three zero four three four five fifty to
fifty eight.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Gentlemen, how you doing this morning?
Speaker 5 (02:00):
I'm doing great. How about yourself?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Doing well?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Doctor Stephen, thanks for coming in this morning. Always look
forward to our Halloween episodes.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
It is that time of year, and uh, I don't.
I'd forgotten about it until we walked in this morning, like,
oh you know what, it's it's Halloween time.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
It is.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Talk about whatever you want to talk about. Yeah, we
don't have to do that. I don't want to force
you into the Halloween. It's our duty.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
It is our duty is dentists to address this at
this time of year. So yeah, well we're happy to
be very happy to get into that. The overarching theme
is we want kids to have fun and enjoy the
holiday of Halloween, but do it responsible.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
And I think we also have before we get into
the sugary bits, to take us one throughout today. You
have a an acknowledgement or an announcement for our esteem, doctor,
doctor Hanmer.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
We have a very lustrous guest with us today, being
that of doctor Carson Henley. He is I believe it's
considered a fellow of the Pierre fran Hello. Hello, Academy.
It's very prestigious academy really in dentistry. It's it's really
cool if you look it up. They they nominate individuals
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that have really contributed not only to the profession of dentistry,
but humanity as a whole. And we're very proud to
have doctor Henley in the ranks of that academy. So
I've turned over to him to tell us a little
more about that in the time that he had congratulations.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I looked this up last night after doctor Steveh has
sent it to me and and a massive congratulations, really
very very good stuff.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
And I can and I definitely can see it. Oh boy, well,
thank you very much.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
From from here on out, I'm going to be speaking
with a French accent.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
No I am from France. No, I can't pull that off,
very little gray sales door exactly.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
But but Pierre Fauchard is actually known as the modern
father of modern dentistry going back to the seventeen hundred.
So a guy in Minnesota nineteen thirty six created an
international dental organization just for just high ethics high uh,
giving back kind of a way to make make sure
people kind of are in a brotherhood or sisterhood of
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of of dentists that want to always give back, and
so he created the Pierre Fauchard And what was awesome
at this event.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
It was a black tie event in d C.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Which was like, this is a first for me, you know,
being on a black tie in Washington, DC or Nation's capital.
But there was a French guy who won an award
and he said the name of the organization, and it
was awesome.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
I've never actually heard it being like the French word.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Yeah, and so all of us Americans like Pierre Fauchard,
you know, like we don't know how to say it
correctly by the like, it was like so cool.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Anyway, the first station in high school used to get
on us for our boone County French is what you would.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Always call it. I get that for sure, but yeah,
but it was very prestigious. It was a wonderful event.
Me and my wife went and we had a great
time in DC. Actually got a photo from in front
of the White House, which was kind of neat. We
kind of walked a few blocks from our hotel and back,
but overall just a really quick trip. But I'm honored
to be in this really cool organization. But I think
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that's enough about me. Well, massive congratulations for real. Yeah,
that's good stuff and it's always good to follow. Uh,
but you guys are on the air all the time,
here are folks when I know about that, like the
sharings that happened like that, so that that's absolutely good stuff.
And I was cracking up out loud because I forgot
it was Halloween in like three days and we're like,
this is our Halloween thing.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
We're like, oh, we should probably talk Halloween sugar.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
He come on, but here I was all geared up
for it, and uh, sorry about that, guys, but it
is we've done the show in some respects for a
long time, and it is it seems like that this
is an overly simplistic thing to say, but candy's not
going anywhere. In fact, it seems like that we're finding
new and inventive ways to find ways to eat candy.
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And you know, there's all kinds of misconceptions out there
in some levels because you hear all of the pushback
against the ultra processed food and processed candy, processed sugar,
do you know, different things like those lines. And that's
true from a health standpoint, sure, but sugar, no matter
how natural it is, is still bad for your teeth.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
That's right, and even sugar substitutes can be so exactly right,
it is worth taking a look at. But yeah, so
to give kind of a baseline here with the sugar discussion,
just to educate everyone on how it really works, is
it's about constant exposure. And you think, of course, I'm
not going to constantly be eating sugar, but if you're
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constantly sipping on a coke all day long or a
mountain dew, you know you're bathing your teeth in sugar
the entire day. What sugar does to the structure of
the tooth is it attaches to it. It starts eating
it away and breaking it down. It's like almost like
an acid onto the tooth that penetrates in there, and
it allows other bacteria to get in to the tooth
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to create a cavity. And for children that aren't don't
have the dexterity to really brush and floss as well
as as an adult wood when they're eating on candy
all day long or drinking these sugary drinks all day long.
Even milk has a lot of sugar in it as well.
It it gets in between the teeth and creates some
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very serious cavity issues. So that's something that it's been
acknowledged that a lot of the preventive measures that we've
made is one of the one of the greatest world
health advancements of the past century. So it's it's it's
also one of those things similar to some of the
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older diseases that we're not used to having now. Uh,
tooth decay and and tooth infections used to be a
really really big, much bigger deal than it is today.
And people listening that have had a tooth infection, like man,
that is a big deal, but it happened on a
very much larger scale before dentistry intervened. So we've we
know a lot about sugar, what it does to the teeth,
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and we want to limit its exposure. The good news
is that once you expose your teeth to sugar, our
saliva naturally buffers it naturally counteracts that if you give
your mouth enough of a break before it's next sugar exposure,
if that makes sense. So so that's where I say,
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you know, it's it's not something that you need to
take away everybody's candy, but just use it responsibly give it.
My advice is to, you know, let children enjoy their
their trick or treating. Let them have the candy that night,
but don't keep it out on a bowl and snack
on it for the next two weeks straight, you know,
all day long. Keep it more like no, I mean
(08:43):
that's fine.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
If you do it like it will be like Easter
and I'll be like, why is there still a bowl
of Halloween candy in here?
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Yeah, oh for sure. It gets to the point where
you do have to throw it away, like get it
out of that like literally. But but no, I mean
if you even if you have like one piece three
times a day, that's all right, just not all day long.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
I had to throw away.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
I found a bag in our cabinet, and this is
because I confiscated it last year and hit it. And
then as I was doing some cleaning up earlier this year,
I found a giant bag that was full of what
I just call street candy. It's candy where we went
to various things last year and people threw like candy
down on the street and my daughter went out and
scooped it up.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
I'm like, man, you are not eating.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
This exhausting that exhaust asphalt candy.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
I don't think you're going to eat that?
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Right?
Speaker 5 (09:26):
How is it Halloween has become there are more events
around Halloween than I think Christmas. It seems like that, right.
How many trigger treating events do my children go?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
And not only that, but then Christmas has now become
a candy holiday, like the Christmas was never really a
candy holiday. When I was growing up. It was sweet, sure,
like pastries and cakes and different things. And now you
get like everything candy. It's like, I mean.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
It's a corporate sponsorship.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Big Chocolate, right, Big candy. Believe me, I've never been
so scandalized as when I found out about Big Cheese.
It's a real thing, and it's amazing how much that
they control our diet in the a Big Cheese does
a couple of things that I ran across. One thing
that I thought was interesting, and I remember this from
previous years because I've read both of these. I think
I remember you talked about tooth infections. And one of
(10:12):
the things in like a popular writings from from older
Tom's or like fiction like if you see like somebody,
like an old movie, a western, or something like how
often is there where somebody has like a bad tooth
and they have to take a swig of whiskey before
they pull the tooth.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Out or whatever.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Also, I always found it was interesting that in both
the writings of Thomas Edison and in Benjamin Franklin, they
mentioned just a bad teeth or infected teeth or something
like that as being a problem of the day. It's
in both of their journals, and I think it's kind
of interesting that because it was such an issue, you know,
like just having an infected tooth was like a major
issue for the time.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
What's one of the main things George Washington's known for.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah, they're not really fault or they're not really wooden teeth.
They were something else that woulden right, But I've seen them.
I've seen the actual teeth.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Yeah, actual teeth in a dentist dentistry museum I believe
in Baltimore. But but yeah, they they're pretty child like
used to be. You have like springs in there, and
I like, you look at it, like, how could this
ever go into somebody's mouth? But yeah, things have come
a long way, for sure.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, the technology is amazing. So some of the things
I ran across when when looking into candy, and of
course we do these things all the time, but it
looks like that we that Americans consume up to six
hundred and seventy five grams that's twenty four ounces, so
a pound and a half of Halloween candy in some
cases on Halloween, a pound and a half of candy.
(11:30):
The average US household spends about forty dollars on candy
on the day. Major survey found that nearly thirty percent
of Americans say they're a favorite Halloween candy is Recea's.
So you know, it's candy, but at least it's not
you know, taffy or something that really gets stuck in
the teeth.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
You know.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
The thing about chocolate is it melts.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
At least there's that right in peanut butter. Two, I guess.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Mentioning to the types of candy, the gummy sticky ones,
those hang onto the tooth a little bit longer. And
if that's something they're that your children are eating all
the time, tension there. Make sure they're they're brushing and
flossing their teeth and soon thereafter and then the the
chocolate's melt. But then the hard candies, oh break, Yeah,
(12:11):
they just break your teeth. Yeah, and so that's something
to watch for.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I don't know if anybody else has this, and the
visual is kind of appalling, honestly, but it seems like
that our Halloween candy bag when it gets down to
the dregs and there's not that much left. It's just
a bag full of tootsy rolls. There's nothing but tottsy
rolls in it because nobody eats them. And and part
of me thinks it's because of the teeth thing.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Man.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
I remember as a kid the last time I had
a totsy roll, it was like an emergency where I
felt like I had a totty roll fused to my
tooth and I would never be able to get it out.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Of course, keep it in your mouth long enough and
warm it up and you can pull it out.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I've had that with a jolly rancher before too, where
you just take like a flat bite into it and
then suddenly it feels like you're never getting rid of
that thing out of your own.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Reports of dentists using jolly ranchers to remove crowns, so.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
You know, because they have to act it.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Here bite on this and open it, you know, but
they pull a lot of dunetwork, for sure.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
My kid has two like cartoon bucky teeth right now
that need to come out, because she's got her top
one here on the bottom one almost right below it
that there. I mean, they're almost you can bend them
at like a forty five degree angle. I mean, those
things are just flapping around, but I can't. They won't
like quite come all the way out yet. But I
was telling her last night because we always you know,
no candy at bedtime, No candy bedtime. She doesn't like
(13:23):
hard candy, but I was last night. I was like,
you want to try like some hard candy.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Can I stick this up in there and see if
we can maybe just pull that thing out?
Speaker 3 (13:32):
We got it. Tonight's Halloween. Man, you couldn't lose these
teeth back before Halloween night. It'd be an awful nice
if you could have got rid of both of those
things before Halloween night. But I guess that's not the
way that's going to be. You mentioned about chocolate a
minute ago. I did find it was interesting that more
and more states are identifying as Skittles as being their
favorite candy now, so that the chewy gummy candy is
becoming all the more popular, and it is the grow
(13:52):
the fastest growing area of candy cells. It has grown
about five percent over the last year. That's a non
chocolate candy. So we're starting to see the enemy, uh,
the non chocolate candy starting to be a little bit
more prevalent. As far as things like that goes as
far as general tips for like parents on Halloween night
and things like that, I mean, you're not gonna stop
your kids from eating candy. I mean, I mean, I
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guess if that's your household, that's up to you. But
assuming that your kids are going to eat some of
that candy, it's not like you should carry around a
toothbrush and in between every house brush their teeth. There's
actually some timing you should give them and some good
practices that they could put in there.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Yeah, no, no, it's you don't have to go crazy
about it. You know, if you have the evening of
trick or treating, let the let the children get their candy,
eat it. And and then there is some validity to
actually waiting for a little bit of time after having
candy to allow your your saliva to again buffer that
(14:45):
that sugar in the and and and the damage is
done to the teeth, because if you go in street
after having candy and scrub the teeth, it can drive
that sugar kind of deeper in in a sense. But
but yeah, just take it easy, let them have their fun,
give them a little break, and before they go to bed,
(15:06):
make sure the last thing they're eating isn't candy, and
then brush their teeth.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Also alarming for Dennis and Nevada perhaps is that in
looking at the popular candy map, this map is kind
of a mess. Not to get too into the weeds here,
but it has like the up of Michigan as a
separate state for some reason. But there's no Hawaii or
Alaska in it anyway. But anyway, Starburst is the only
state where Starburst is the top candy is in Nevada,
(15:30):
and I just have to imagine that sounds like a
tooth nightmare.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
I wonder what's the deal there, But yeah, Starburst, so
it likes to stick around. It gets in between there
for sure. But that's an interesting map. Yeah, I have
never seen the US colored in candy.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Yeah, For those of you interested, the swath of Ohio,
West Virginia, and Virginia are all eminem ardents apparently where
we're surrounded by KitKat.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
The other states are all Kitcats.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
I am staring at this map, and I just think
candy can bring us together as a nation.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
It is true. Well, you're textan the tech Skittles. Does
that make sense to you?
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Sure? Yeah, Skittles are great.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
I mean not not for the teeth, but they're delicious.
I mean, we got textas in Illinois that love Skittles.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Right, so you can bridge that gap there. You know,
we have West Virginia and California. We like him and
m or eminem people know. Hey, you know, candy.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
Can bridge the divide that's separating us.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Oh man, it should be dental hygiene though, right, I mean,
if we want to stay on Brando, maybe dental hat
gene is the thing.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
It's the thing.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Let's see here, we got we got about twenty minutes
of the top hot hour candy. Let's do this. Let's
take a break. We still have plenty of things we
want to talk about. We'll get more into some things
around Halloween times. Some things you want to look out
for tonight, some some general tips, and also anything to
do with dental hygiene. If you want to control the
conversation doesn't all have to be Halloween and candy related.
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edition of Talking about your Teeth. We can talk about
any number of things this morning, but of course Halloween.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Well.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Tricker beat Us Tonight Tricker Treat in Kanall County is
on Thursday Night Trick or Bean unfortunately sold out, so
if you don't have your tickets to that, you're not
going to get into the stadium tonight.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
And unfortunately, what's that?
Speaker 5 (19:47):
Do you know how many numbers?
Speaker 4 (19:48):
What do we do?
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Two thousand? I think one thousand each session or something
like that. I think, Yeah, it's a lot, it's a lot.
We and the and now it looks like that tonight's
the best weather night of the week. It's going to
be a little chilly, but it's going to be clear.
The the week, we're going to see some rain, including
on Thursday night. Unfortunately, so uh uh I'm kind of
uh my kid is going to get her full uh
full treat of of of treat, tricks to night, tricks
(20:11):
of treat whatever. Anyway, she's going to get full tonight
and hopefully not be so disappointed on Thursday night when
maybe we don't go out so much because uh, you know,
she's seven. She just got over being sick. She doesn't
need to be out in the uh in the rain, yeah,
not so much, not so much. Yeah, well yeah, and
her costume is a uh, it's really cute.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
It's Perry the.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Penguin from uh what cartoon is that from uh Phineas
and for one of them, I can't remember anyway, but
it's furry, so if it gets wet, it's going to
be really bad. So it's not going to be that great.
She wanted to be a K Pop demon Hunter, but
those things sold out many.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
Dude, Well, so Winnie is going as roomy. My wife
bought it like three months again. Yeah good good good
uh good looking out there? Yeah yeah, good looking out there.
We had him.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
My daughter was a little bit hedging because we looked
at him at first, because we we thought about it.
Then she changed her mind. Then she went back and
forth and back and forth. But she she loves I
think we break out into random dance parties everywhere with
one of the various K PopEd even Hunter songs.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
She loves it.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
No candy there though, so that's good and not so
bad for your teeth, I guess as far as those
things go. We were talking about some different things that
maybe you could look into to help on this sugary
candy night. Then there are some things that we talked
about in the past, but of course there are some
like non sugar free gums and things like that that
you can maybe chew on and those can help a
little bit and moving the sugar off and creating salov
(21:33):
and things like that.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
And they look for things with xylotol, it's kind of
hard to find. It was hot for a little while
and it went away, but we in the dental field
really like it. It's a good sugar substitute that actually
helps combat cavities. So you find that in some gums
and different toothpastes and mouth rinses, so xylotol is a
(21:55):
is a good alternative as well. And then there and
as far as stickiness goes, if we're talking about gum,
the one that we've always recommended traditionally is Freedent, which
is another one's kind of hard to find because it's
known and it's made not to pull off pull out
dental work, you know, not to not to stick so much.
So that's another alternative as well.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
A theory that I've had. I don't know if this
is true or not.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
You can answer this if you if like, if I'm
chewing gum and I noticed that there's like a particular
tooth that the gum seems to adhere to, does that
mean I have enamel problems on that tooth.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
Well, it's not necessarily it's probably has to do with
either the shape of the tooth or maybe it's some
dental work that has like a filling that has a
different surface texture that might might grab something a little
bit more. But yeah, you can have some you have
some sticky teeth.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Sometimes it drives me nuts because if I have like
some of the like I'll have usually I prefer like
a like a mint instead of a gum, but sometimes
I'll get a gum and if I chew it, there's
like a particular tooth that it seems like it always
gets stuck on and I have to find a way
to like pull it off my tooth.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Like it's just a little strand.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
It just everybody has a little thing now, and that's
worth mentioning, especially if you don't have a regular dental care.
If things like that are happening, it could be a
way to warn you, hey, when you get this thing
checked out, So make sure nothing's going on there.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
By the way, it looks like most of the tridents
and Take five and orbits, most of those gums still
has aylatol in them. So if you're looking for something
like that, you can grab you some and take it
with you. I thought it was interesting. I was reading
a fiction book. Actually doesn't really matter what it was about,
but there was a transaction between where somebody was in
an accident and they got and they got hurt and
(23:30):
a paramedic had to save them, and when they got
to the hospital, the person that was in the accident
was told that they were missing their tooth from the
person the doctor that was checking them in and the
paramedic that brought him and said, oh, I have it here,
and they spit it out of their mouth.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
And I was thinking, oh, this.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Is exactly like something that that doctor Garb would talk
about this paramedic. This is seemed to me kind of
authentic that this paramedic thought about something like that, that
they found their tooth on the ground and popped it
in his mouth to take it to the hospital to
preserve it. I guess that was a little gross. I
guess that's a very brave pic but also place to
put But also that would be the thing that would
(24:06):
save the tooth right right. Maybe he knew the guy
it was in Australia too, so maybe it was something
that you know, Australians do you know, you know, I
mean they have giant spiders and things there, so maybe
the a little bacteria on the tooth didn't really bother
them all that much in the mouth. But I have
to me, when I was reading that, I felt a
sense of authenticity from that moment because I was like,
you know what, that seems like something that actually seems
like I mean, I know that it's true, so it
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seems like, you know, it kind of built the character
for that map.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
I appreciated it very very fascinating. But yeah, to review
trauma tooth trauma. If a tooth comes out, your own
tooth comes out, and you need to get to the dentist,
put it right back into your mouth. You just don't
swallow it and or you know, if you have a
family member that that happens to, you know that could happen.
That's that's better than putting it into milk or water.
But those are those are options. Well, you want to
(24:50):
keep the tooth moist and then try and get it back.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
In drinking water on Candy Night's not a bad idea either, right.
It helps lube up the teeth and maybe knock some
of the stuff off.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
Yeah, so water, Uh definitely helps clean things off. The
other thing, talking about gum, a lot of people think, oh,
you know, they come in, Oh, sorry, I was chewing gum.
I shouldn't be chewing gum. That's not necessarily true. If
you have tmd tm J jaw muscle joint problems, it
can be harder on your joints, of your of your
(25:21):
jaws to be chewing gum. That repetitive use. But what
does gum do to the oral environment? Any any losses?
What does it make you do?
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Salivate? Salavate?
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Ok, hey makes you get more saliva, more saliva, which
is your natural defense against cavities. So if you're that's
a that's another benefit of a sugar free gum. If
you get a sugar free gum chewing it, it's gonna
create more SALIVEA it's going to combat those sugars and
en counteract them as well. So, uh, you know, use
gum responsibly. But I'm a fan.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Yeah, that seems like that seems like it makes sense.
And uh, it's always weird to me when things like like,
I think gum is a pretty good strategy, right, but
not all gum or is good. Gum obviously there's like
bubble gums, is there even an I guess it still exists, right,
It seems like almost it seems like almost all the
gums are these gums. But I guess there's still the
sugary gums out there.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
Thankfully, the sugar freeze have really taken off and gotten
a lot better than they used to be, so they're
they're much more prevalent popular, But there's plenty of sugar.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
I can imagine that that a low key problem for
dental hygiene for years was like juicy fruit or something,
you know, like in that just straight sugar gums, right,
juicy fruit? Yeah right, yeah, right, yeah for sure, And
I guess I guess they are still around that it's uh,
but you can you can it is you can explore
different options with with candies and different things like that too.
(26:42):
There are things out there that you can not only
sugar free things, but you can. I think even dark
chocolates I think are a little better than what the
uh the different shark. But the but the bottom line
is is you want to be responsible with any of
this stuff, and you want to You don't have to
brush your teeth right away, but you do want to
make sure that you brush your teeth. Don't go to
bed with a with a mouthful of sugar, does alving
in your mouth, because that seems like that it would
be very bad.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
The other tip for parents, you know, it's all about
you know, how do I get these kids to brush
their teeth and to take care of them?
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Well.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
The other thing a lot of parents overlook are the
floor eyed rinses like act has been the classic one
for years that has fluoride in it. That's topical. You
nse it, spit it out, but it coats the teeth
and it helps counteract that cavity activity. So around Halloween
time it's not a bad idea to pick up some
of these floor eyde rinses and after the children have
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engorged themselves with candy, let them brush their teeth and
then top it off with the floor eyed rents. That'd
be really nice too.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
For whatever reason, my daughter really picked up one some rinses.
That's one thing that she uses all the time. Now
sometimes I swish, I know she does a great job.
She can swish, she can gargle, she could do the
whole thing. In fact, I try to tell it, Okay,
you don't need to goggle with this stuff. Let's just
get it out of your mouth. You don't have to.
I don't want you to swallow it, but she could do. Yeah,
it's idly. She likes to create the bubbles and it's
(27:58):
all good. But she does a very good job with it.
And that's really and I think it has helped her
tooth health quite a bit because I think it makes
her paid more attention. I think when she's brushing her
teeth because she's anticipating that coming next.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
And then we do.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
A thing where we tom ourselves with the with the
mouth rents, so she might she always wants to make
sure she gets it right in the recommended amount of time,
so we always have to set a time or and
do it right in the recommended amount of time.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
But it works out and it's helped her. Yeah. The other.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Product that would work pretty similarly and or well would
be the rinses that help detect plaque. So there are
some that actually when you can rinse the mouth stain
where you've missed brushing, and for children, it is fascinating
to see after they've brushed their teeth. Okay, rinse with
this stuff. Let's see what's left. It does looks like
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they haven't touched their teeth. Yeah sometimes but but yeah,
so that's another adjunct you can use around this time
of year, especially to help your children identify where the
sugars are in their mouth and then once once they
see them, they can easily brush it off and uh
and it helps out a lot.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
I think back in the late seventies when I when
I did this, they sent it home with me in
like a dental kit, and it was like a little
it wasn't paced. It was like a little purple pill
that you you popped into the into like a little
bit of water almost like alca sels or something, and
then you like drank it or switched it. I can't
remember what you did, but yeah, like your mouth was
just like just turned purple. It was like, here's all
the all the junkie your mouth. Yeah, it's crazy, it's
(29:27):
all startling. Disclosing tablets we have them. You can pop
them in, chew them up and it stains.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
That's what, okay, right, and rinse it out.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
And in dental school, in order to pass the class,
every student had to pass that score with a ninety
nine percent or more of plaque removal. Wow, and it
was a hard thing to do. I could imagine it
really is. So we'd use those disclosing tablets. You're like,
are you kidding me? I still have this stuff? And
then you're getting your floss in there and get the
right type of floss to really scrub it off. So
(29:55):
so yeah, it's uh, it's enlightening when you use this.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Can the observant parent, I'm sorry, Putrick Carson.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
No, no, I'm saying that is fascinating that in dental school
that's a requirement and even as an expert, it's still
difficult sometimes. And so if you're out there having trouble,
we also have trouble.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Yeah that makes sense, right, Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
Proper brushing is not I mean, it's it's something that
you have to work at.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Yeah, and and yeah, I mean there's a method to
get I mean my kid when she first started brushing,
she would stick the thing in her mouth and half
the time that the brush head would be turned around
the other way, you know, right, So I mean it
takes a little time to to to kind of put
those things together. I was thinking, can can observant parents
use a candy holiday to maybe like diagnose problems with
(30:40):
her kids. Like if your kid complains about like or
if or even as an adult you're complaining about a
twinge and a tooth or something like that after eating candy.
I mean that could give you are an idea that
you have a cavity or something already in development.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
Right, exactly right. That is a great point, because when
you have a tooth that's per sensitive to sugar, that's
that's a warning sign, you know, that's an indication that
something's wrong with that tooth. When patients come in and
they say, you know, yeah, I want to eat sweets,
this tooth is bothering me. I'm almost for sure there's
a cavity in it, right, if it's if, maybe it
(31:14):
needs a root can out at that point. So yes, absolutely,
if you're noticing sensitivity, you should you should should bring
that up with your dentist.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
And I imagine that that we might be summoning across
a lot of those over the next couple of days.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
But don't ignore it.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
If you have that problem, make sure to get it
taken care of, because it's better to do it sooner
rather than later.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
That is true, And I don't want to steal the
show here, but I do want to pivot before we
are done here because we talked about my award earlier
in the show. But I also want to point out
that the gazet Mail has a survey that goes out
every year, right about the best dry cleaner, is the
best restaurant, YadA YadA. Well, they also have a category
(31:50):
called the best Cosmetic Dentist in the Valley. Oh and
I don't know if you know this, Dale, but we
are in the presence of said best cosmetic dentist in
the Valley, doctor Stephen Greeb here, So I don't I
want doctor Stephen to say a little bit about how
what he does to make sure that he is at
the top of his game, to make sure he is
(32:10):
the best quote unquote uh cosmetic dentist in the valley.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
Thank you, Thank you, doctor Henley. It's worth mentioning Gharib
Dental Group one for the best dentist in as we
were able to pick that up. So it's great that
that the that the public is recognizing that. So we
enjoy that, uh and really appreciate the votes that people
put in for them. But with cosmetic dentistry in particular,
(32:36):
it's it's is a and it's not necessarily a specialty
in dentistry. So it is something that most any dentists
can claim that they are a cosmetic dentist, but then
you have to really prove it as far as to
your patients and to yourself and and in order to
keep at the top of my game, Doctor Henley was
inducted into into an academy. But I'm a member, and
(32:59):
many of us are members of the Academy of Cosmetic Dentistry,
And there's a track there where you're pursuing accreditation and
you're presenting cases and being judged upon those and it
ensures that you're at the top of your game. And
and it's it's a tough thing to do and something
I've I've been pursuing for for many years and participating in.
(33:20):
So it's there are classes that I go to UH
yearly and UH and regularly to to hone those skills
and to learn about new techniques and provide the best
cosmetic outcomes for our patients. And it's not just pretty
fillings and veneers. It comes down to even doing a
a tooth in the back of your mouth, making it
(33:42):
look as natural as we possibly can and and proud
to proud to have that recognition for sure.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
So when you talk about cosmetic dnistry, you mentioned of
veneers and things like that. What eld is that encompass?
What is it considered cosmetic ministry?
Speaker 5 (33:54):
Yeah, so that's cosmetic dentistry classically. People think of anything
that you do to your smile to make it look
better of what people can see basically, and many people
think that means your front tooth, but in many of
much of the training that we go through, it shows
that it encompasses many more than just the front couple
(34:15):
of teeth. I call the front six teeth from canine
to canine your smiling teeth. We call that the esthetic zone,
and then really we expand that to the two teeth
behind it, because when you smile, it's not just those
front six teeth that show from the side. You're seeing
those teeth on the side as well, So we want
to round out the smile. There's an entire mentality and
(34:37):
technique called smile design where we are really designing the
position of all of those teeth in the smile, taking
photos to be able to see the light reflection of
those So any any aspect of dentistry can be wrapped
into cosmetic dentistry. In fact, with the accreditation that I'm pursuing,
(35:00):
one case, we had to replace a tooth in the
front of the mouth, which had to be one of
the front six teeth, one of your smiling teeth, and
to make it look as natural as possible, to make
it seem that no one could notice that anyone was
that that person was missing a tooth. You could use
a dental implant for that, you could use a dental
bridge for that. So there are many ways to do it.
(35:22):
But the cosmetic dentistry really is almost more of a
mindset of your entire scope of practice.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
That's a very insightful answer, and I think it clarifies
a lot of things because, like you said, a lot
of things could be or most things could be cosmetic.
I mean, if you need a root canal, you can
just get a root canal done and there may not
be anything else that the patient needs to have done.
But if it's depending on where it is and the
type of replacement you're having and things like that, you
may need to make sure that that's cosmetically pleasing to
the person.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Absolutely, Yeah, you can have a root canal done on
one of your front teeth, right, just the root canal
and a little filling there. But then that tooth starts
turning dark and suddenly we've got some cosmetic concerns.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Yeah, that makes it.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
That makes it, And so that's hugely important for folks,
especially when it comes to quality of life and being
happy with themselves and things along those lines.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
I mean, that's hugely important.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
And the big difference is when you see when you
have a patient or a friend of yours that comes
in and you can tell a Wow, something's been done,
you know, to their teeth. They're they're whiter, but maybe
they're too white, maybe they're too big, too broad, you know,
and then the teeth kind of entered before the room,
in the room before the patient does. That's not what
we're trying to avoid.
Speaker 8 (36:25):
We do.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
That's not considered cosmetic dmistry. That's that's maybe cosmetic dynistry
not done so well.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
That's great stuff. As ausher, Doctor Stephen, thank you so
much for your time appreciated this week. Yes, sir, thank you,
doctor doctor Carson you as well, thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
I'm now king Candy King, Candy King, cany Halloween, Happy
Halloween everyone.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Dave Ballance up next. I'll be back this afternoon at
three h six with Dave Weekly on Hotline. Have a
happy day everyone. On five ad w c HS the
Voice of Charleston five as any six point five Charleston
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Speaker 4 (36:58):
You're Cure two.
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