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On this week’s Let’s Talk with Carl Lee, co-hosts Lisa Otey and Hollis Lewis sit down with South Charleston High head coach Donnie Mays and standout senior Malcolm “LB” Brown for an in-depth conversation on leadership, loyalty, and the evolving world of high school football. Mays reflects on rebuilding the Black Eagles program through culture and accountability, while Brown shares why he stayed loyal to his teammates amid tough seasons — earning multiple Division I offers in the process. The discussion dives into transfer rules, player development, playoff structure, and the mental health challenges facing student-athletes across West Virginia.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
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Speaker 3 (00:51):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, This is Curl Lee with
Let's Talk. And we have uh my co host Lisa Odie.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
In the building.

Speaker 5 (01:00):
We have my other co host, Hollis Lewis in the building.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
And we have the head coach for South Charleston High School,
Coach Donnie Mays.

Speaker 5 (01:08):
Coach.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
How you doing doing well?

Speaker 5 (01:10):
All right? So I'm going to open up with can
you give us a kind of a.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Viewpoint of where you kind of feel you are right
now with South Charleston as a football program and how
you know, and maybe a little bit more about the
progress of moving forward.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:30):
You know, first of all, when we met with the
team the very first day, we talked about we are
this is gonna be a war, not a battle, right.
We kind of adopted the name War Eagles. You know,
we're the Black Eagles. We're gonna you know, hashtag war
Eagle everything. So it's it's it's about the long term.
It's not about the short term. It's about building. And
we talked to the seniors about laying a proper foundation.

(01:55):
So what we tried to do was improve in every category,
whether we wins or losses, which we we did that.
You know, it's not to our standard, but we we
did what we wanted to do as far as like
improving that area. We scored more points this year than
the last three years combined, and defensively, we we performed

(02:18):
at a level where statistically it was improvement over the
last three years. So like we looked at that stuff.
We still failed in our turnover category. It was like
if they were another Jersey. We we found a way
to put it right on the the court. You know,
quarterback play was a little tough at times. We went

(02:39):
through four different quarterbacks and in as Hollis knows that
that position is so integral to your success.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
And particularly the offense, in the in the style of
play that you want to play, having that good quarterback
is vital. So like just you know, being in a
position where you've had You had ultimate success in South
Charleston prior we won a championship, You had great success
at Hurricane. You always had been on a part of

(03:09):
a winning program or at least teetering. So come into
this and I don't think you've had a season like
this maybe in your career. It's been a long time
since you had this week.

Speaker 6 (03:19):
We had a couple couples where it was like, you know,
four and six or something like that.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
But I think perspective is the big thing.

Speaker 6 (03:27):
You know, some people will schedule themselves into the playoffs.
I mean, when you look at when you look at
what you what you have, if you and you know,
I don't call out anybody, that's not who I am.
But if you look at the playoffs and you look
at teams that might be ten and ozer or something
like that, and they're getting an eight or nine seed.
You know, those are those are teams that you're probably

(03:49):
looking at like maybe they're just uh, you know, scheduling
their way in. But there are also a lot of
things that go into play too, like where we did
the recalculating of class vacations and all that stuff too,
so they might have got stuck with that schedule. So
but you can see that as a coach, I mean,
and one of the big things is that you want
your kids to play good teams.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
It only makes you better.

Speaker 6 (04:14):
Unfortunately, you know, sometimes people locally will not play you,
and it forces you to do things that's out of
your comfort zone. We signed a four year contract when
I was at South Charleston and took on for a
Johnson Central team for four straight years and they beat
us every single.

Speaker 5 (04:30):
Year school from Kentucky. From Kentucky.

Speaker 6 (04:33):
And when I was at Hurricane, we couldn't find a
tenth game. And before I say what I'm gonna say,
you know, we played de whitp Michigan. We had to
go six and a half hours up, went up there,
lost seventy to sixty three, had the ball to tie
it to go and you know at the end, but
we got right back on the bus and went home.
But the point that I'm trying to make is it's

(04:55):
so important for these kids to be able to play
ten football games. So we're going to anyone that wants
to play a tenth game, and we're going to make
sure that our kids do it because we were part
of this COVID time. We were part of where we
were fighting for these kids to play the game of
football and be allowed to play more than one or
two games. And I stand by that. I mean, like

(05:16):
I know that some people didn't do that. They might
not been in the coaching profession then and they're getting
into it now and they will duck and dodge all
these games being offered out there. But the reality of
the situation is these kids deserve an opportunity to play
ten games. So we'll play about anybody, but we also
want to play within our class. I mean, I think
it's fair for our kids at South Charleston, and you know,

(05:37):
and now you can say the same thing for other
local schools to play people in their class. Playing up
sometimes is not a benefit, and it's not a benefit
for a four A school to play a three A
school because they get no strength to schedule points.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
So it is what it is.

Speaker 6 (05:53):
So sometimes yes we will end up being you know,
four and six or whatever, but we played such a
tough schedule that we would end up getting to the playoffs.
I think it's only this is probably the worst record
that we've ever had. But if it's all about perspective,
for me, it was not the standard. Two and eight
is not the standard. But for a lot of people
going back to Sow Charleston, they saw improvement and parents

(06:14):
were like elated that we were improving. So like, it's
all about a mindset of perspective.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Now, now is that to sell? Because again I'm not
we don't recruit and we don't do that, but you
had with transfer rules and everything like that. So when
you're talking to kids, when you're talking to their parents,
and you're saying like, look, we've had constant improvement in
all these areas we're willing to go play ex schools.
Is that the sell to the kids who are trying
to come to South Trampo.

Speaker 6 (06:40):
You're really in today's world, you don't you don't have
to talk to any parent, you don't have to say anything.
You do your job and we've done. We've we've we also,
like the other thing is too, we've we put We've
got five scholarship offers already into them or Division one
A on a two and eight football team. So it's
about the point sure that these kids are getting an

(07:01):
extra opportunity. We're we're gonna go above and beyond.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
I mean, my.

Speaker 6 (07:05):
Position coaches grab up some of their guys and go
travel to the University of Virginia just like yesterday or
whatever Saturday to go watch a UVA play, but have
a kid being on campus in the facility with their
head coach and as an invite. And then you know,
we had a couple get offered from Akron. So like,
I think that's important that we expand who we are

(07:27):
and the parents see that stuff, like you know, I
don't need to call a parent, like that's not even
in my vocabulary. You know, they see that stuff and
they want the best opportunity for their kid. That's what's
going on with your with your transfer portal, which is
you know, it's we didn't set that rule the you know,
the legislature did, and we just have to live in

(07:48):
it and we have to find the best way to
do it, and I think the best way is to
make sure that your program as a coach, you're doing
everything right for the.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
Kid nice and see.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
And I think, and I'm curious about what you say
to this, like those kids that are getting those offers,
and they're getting those offers and in part because of
your work, your work with them, the coaches work with them.

(08:18):
Is that something that you put out that's that that
people are aware of, like just the general public. Are
they are aware of these kids that are getting these offers?
Because I think, to me, that would that would make
me like, look at it, And I don't have to
look at the record. I don't even care about the
record at that point. When I see that or I

(08:38):
hear that, I'm thinking, in my mind, oh, well, he's
doing a great job.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
He's getting these kids into college.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
It is Are you in that space of wanting that information.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
To get out Personally?

Speaker 6 (08:53):
I get a lot of my assistant coaches saying I
need to put out more. But the reality of the
situation is we have people who run our social media
on the staff and they do that stuff. Because I'm
not that guy. I'm not a social media guy. I
don't really sit in there and do all that stuff,
but like Coach Canada does and he'll put out graphics
and stuff like that. And literally I hired an offensive

(09:16):
line coach from the state of Florida who's a friend
of mine who has also put a.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
Lot of kids in college.

Speaker 6 (09:23):
So he and I kind of sat down and he said,
all right, make a list of all the schools that
you have put kids into. And I'm gonna make a
list and then let's compile our lists and see what
we have.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
And that's penned at the.

Speaker 6 (09:34):
Top of our Twitter or whatever they call it X
page or whatever, because because I think that is important
because it's not just about going to West Virginia or Marshall.
It's about where can they be And right now, you
know you have Zychi Lawton play at that Sam Houston State,
so you know, it's about making sure that these kids

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have opportunities outside of just being an in state kid.

Speaker 7 (10:00):
So coach, I want to ask you, tis the season
for the playoffs?

Speaker 5 (10:03):
Correct?

Speaker 7 (10:03):
So we have the high school playoffs, you know, looming
in the in the near future. And I was just
kind of glancing at the brackets today and I just
wanted to throw some examples out at you and see
what you thought. But and you kind of touched on
this a minute ago. But we'll go back to this.
So I was looking at Quada, and you've got a
number sixteen Buckhannon Upshore team going to Morgantown. You know

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Buckhannon Upshire has a two and eight record. Morgantown has
nine and one, so it's, you know, sixteen against one.
I looked at Triple A similar. You've got a Robert S.
Bird going to Fairmont Senior there five and five facing
a eight and two opponent, double A four and six,
Lincoln's going to nine and one Independence, and you've also
got in single A. This was the probably example the

(10:47):
point I'm trying to get at Man's at three and
seven facing a ten and oh Wahama. In your opinion,
what do you think about the number of games that
are in place for each classifiction? Do you think there's
enough too many? Do you think it needs to.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
Be between games played? Yes?

Speaker 7 (11:05):
Yes? Well no, no, I meant.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Like wins or losses?

Speaker 7 (11:08):
Well, like too many? Are there too many playoff seats?
Is what I'm saying. Like sixteens, I.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Actually think that we're I think we're on point right
now with four classes.

Speaker 6 (11:18):
And the reason I say four class I used to
be like, shoot, our states not large enough, we should
have two or whatever. But yeah, I think I've kind
of come to the realization that the more opportunities that
kids have, but the better it is. But I think
that what that what needs to be done instead of
looking at we used to do it this way, instead

(11:39):
of having like cut off points of like students or whatever,
you can equal this thing out and say the first
twenty I think I think the number that comes out
is like twenty four or whatever. Yeah, twenty four in
each class. You know, That's what I thought is everybody's got.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
A one and twenty four chance.

Speaker 6 (11:57):
But what's going to happen then, is like when you
were named in some of those schools like two and A, yeah,
three and seven and stuff, you're gonna have more opportunity
within your class to schedule four a opponent. You're gonna
have more opportunity to schedule within your own classification. Well,
we have in triple A, which is another reason that
you would take another job, you know, like South Charleston,

(12:19):
is that you have so many more.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
Opportunities because you have more teams exactly.

Speaker 6 (12:22):
But I was in quae A for quite some time,
and it was difficult because you couldn't get people to
play you because you only had sixteen teams and you
don't want to sit there. We scheduled Martinsburg when I
was at Hurricane, so we played them so if we
would win, guess who you're gonna see in the championship.

Speaker 7 (12:39):
Right right exactly. And that's kind of what my point was,
maybe like like taking instead of having those sixteen teams,
maybe shortened it to just like eight teams.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
And then you're you're talking about within the playoffs.

Speaker 7 (12:49):
Within the playoffs itself, like maybe not having quite as many.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
It's that's a that's about my page.

Speaker 7 (12:55):
I I just wanted they will put.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
You out something.

Speaker 5 (12:59):
What you both were saying was the same thing.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
You mean, just expanding the teams within the division, and
you're talking about if we're going to keep it the
current format and just having less playoffs, less playoff teams,
which makes.

Speaker 6 (13:11):
It of piggyback off of what you're saying there, like
give us one of the schedules that have a team
that's finishing an eight and Noine seed, and South Charleston's
probably looking at an eight and two or possibly ten
and zero record. So like sometimes scheduling puts you where
you are absolute. It's hard for me to look at
a team that's three and seven or four and six

(13:34):
and kind of say they don't deserve it when they may.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
Have played a very difficult schedule throughout the year.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
That's another fact that that's true. Yeah, I think everybody
has to. I think when you when you're when you're
looking at a record, you can see it as one thing,
but you got to also understand who who they played
or who they didn't play, because I think that matters
more than anything else.

Speaker 6 (13:57):
Out of our ten opponents this year, eight were playoff
teams going into the last week until I think Capital
beat Riverside sixteen to eight, and so seven of our
eight losses were Oregon's playoff football teams.

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Speaker 5 (15:44):
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are back and joining us.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
Now. In addition to coach Madyes, we have Malcolm Brown.
He was running back for South Charleston High School this year,
in the last couple of years. First thousand yard Russia
is twenty fifteen, also a running back.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
How you doing today, brother? I'm doing good, sir. How
you doing?

Speaker 3 (16:01):
And you got that deep voice, very white over here,
So I wanted to open there and ask you, like
you know, you played, you moved from Virginia to West Virginia.
Like I said, basketball player, football player, athlete. You know,
one of the things I admired about is how tough

(16:22):
and how hard you played offensive defenses, particularly defensive You
was out there hitting. So in this era where you
know it's fluid, kids go from school to school, why
did you choose to stay at South Charleston even though
things weren't looking good?

Speaker 5 (16:37):
Far as just strickling the record.

Speaker 10 (16:39):
Side, there was a couple of reasons I stayed. The
main reason I stayed because like, I'd already built like
a bomb with my teammates and the family, and I'm
not just gonna leave them when times get tough. And
also my dad was also pushing for me to stay
at See too, so we ended up making that decision
to stay Nice Nice.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
Just to even hear you say that gives me like
chills because like, in my in my mindset, and I'm old, okay,
So in my mindset, I can't imagine like walking away
from a coach that's been coaching me a team that
I have played with teammates.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
And and like I can't, I can't. I can't envision that.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
But I would also think that it's probably it's probably
been a tough has it will let me rephrase it.
Has it been a tough challenge to make that stance
and say, Hey, I'm staying here at South Charleston. Have
people try to get you to go? Now, I'm not
talking about the illegal stuff. I'm just talking about people
wanting to have you play at this place, play at

(17:44):
that place.

Speaker 5 (17:44):
And you're rooted in South Charleston. Have you had to
deal with that. Oh yeah, I've definitely had to deal
with that.

Speaker 10 (17:50):
It's definitely tough, you know, with a losing record because everybody,
of course wants to win. So with that, and you know,
being a good player, you'll hear from other teams, you know,
they want you to come there. But you know, you
just got you got stay with where your family's at,
where you started, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah, and even being like I said, even like just
dealing with the adversity of you know, winning wins and losses.
You have great individual success there. I think you you
were on an all state team last year.

Speaker 5 (18:14):
Yeah, I think I was second team, second.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
Team All State, and I would imagine you'll probably be
first team All State this year.

Speaker 5 (18:20):
What like?

Speaker 3 (18:21):
And I know you're a basketball player at heart, but
I think you're a football player.

Speaker 5 (18:24):
That's just my opinion.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
But what what what what do you think of? Like
as far as what do you envision yourself for the
next level? Do you want to play collegiate sports? What
do you think of that?

Speaker 10 (18:33):
I want to play collegiate sports. Honestly, I would love
to play both in college. I have played basketball football
FI had that chance, but really I'm just going to
see my options with the offers and see coaches and
and look at my different schools and see where it's
best to go for either basketball or football.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
And I say that just because like I was a kid,
Like my senior year, we finished one and one and nine.
You know, we were uh, we never got blown out.
We in every single game. It's like we would lose
in the fourth court order or it just wouldn't make it. Uh.
I think we lost the last game to these guys
you know, want that money, want that money much five

(19:11):
inches of water on it. But and I and I
say all that just to say, you know, you can't
go to the next level. It's not necessarily all about
like just being at the glitz and glamour. If you
if you work hard and if you play hard, and
if you show and prove, then there will be opportunity
if that's what you aspire.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
To do, right correct.

Speaker 10 (19:30):
That's like, uh, at our team, we have this model.
It's one percent better every single day. If you have
that mindset, you're gonna come in and get better every
single day. You just gotta you gotta want it or
you gotta love it. You gotta love the game. That's
what keeps your mindset and motivates you to keep pushing
through every day, no matter the winner the loss.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (19:46):
So, so Malcolm Coach tells me you have a nickname,
So what is your What is it you like for
people to call you? B? E? Brown?

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Right?

Speaker 7 (19:54):
Na?

Speaker 10 (19:55):
Actually, uh, it's a couple couple like to it.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Okay.

Speaker 10 (20:01):
My cousin his name was Lawrence and his nickname was LB.
So I kind of got it from him. Okay, my
middle name is Lawrence. Oh, okay Brown, So my initials are.

Speaker 7 (20:11):
MLB, and so you prefer LB. Right, Okay, so.

Speaker 10 (20:14):
Gave me that one I was younger.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
That's awesome.

Speaker 7 (20:16):
So I have a question for you. My name is
Lisa by the way, So LB. You played multiple positions
at South Charleston High School during football season to include
running back, wide receiver, and defensive back, right and quarterback
and quarterback. Oh, I need to add that to the list.
So that that just kind of showcases your your you know, versatility,
your athleticism. How difficult was it for you to be

(20:39):
playing both sides of the ball all season like that?

Speaker 10 (20:43):
I would say it was It wasn't too difficult because
there was times where I would get breaks too, so
I will. And plus we get in shape during practice,
so coach May has made sure he's in shape so
it wasn't too difficult.

Speaker 7 (20:54):
So you were you were conditioned well for all that.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
Yes, Wow, that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
What what what was position do you like the most?
If there is one that you particularly like and why?

Speaker 10 (21:09):
Honestly, I feel like I feel like running back. I
mean that's my main position.

Speaker 5 (21:12):
I like running.

Speaker 10 (21:13):
I like running back because all the contact. I play
football for the contact. That's that's what I like about
football is the contact. So being able to run even
if I'm just getting hit, I like the contact. You know,
That's why I play football.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yeah, and shout out to LB. He was a great
basketball player at Capitol High. I won a championship, played
at Virginia Union. Was an awesome, awesome kid, So shout
out and RP to him. Now, as far as what
would be your message to you know, kids like you know,

(21:45):
entering schools and they're just looking to transfer from they
just want to go to the team that's winning, Like,
what would be your message to them? As far as
like stand down where you're at, representing your community and
and playing hard through that.

Speaker 10 (21:58):
I would say trusted said trust your team, and trust
your coach most and poorly. And like I know, coaches
aren't recruiting the whole team for winning. They're recruiting you.
So you don't necessarily have to move to the winning
team just because they're winning.

Speaker 5 (22:12):
You can.

Speaker 10 (22:13):
You can turn your team into a winning team, you know,
and practice, if y'all work hard, come together, play as
a team, you could turn that team into a winning team.
You don't necessarily got to move to the better team.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
And I'll say this, and I'm not just saying this
because you're here. I watched a lot of high school
football over the last two or three years, and I
don't know if I've seen a kid play harder than you.
And I mean special teams, offense, defense, whether you's playing
wide receiver, running back, lineback, or whatever. So I think
that's a testament to like your mentality. But I also

(22:43):
think to that point that you just made, you're going
to stand out if you play hard, if you go hard,
no matter what, you know, the win the.

Speaker 5 (22:51):
Lost record is correct. And to your to follow up
on that.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
As a as a former player, and who I ain't
have no offensive skills, so that I didn't. I played offense,
but I ain't have the offensive skill set like you have.

Speaker 5 (23:09):
But you can't you and the packers are gonna get
fired to get you know.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
The thing that I like about like you just sitting there, calm, collective,
comfortable in being who you are and what you are.
I wonder if you've ever actually had a chance to
sit and evaluate actually like how good you are and

(23:48):
how great you want to be, because I think that's
I think that's a critical that's a critical thing when
you are, when you are good, Okay, there is a
space in there, okay, and I'm giving you this real
life now, Okay, Like there's a place in there where
you have to try to figure out like where am

(24:11):
I going? How great am I going to be? Because
if you can't say it to yourself because there's no
shyness in that, there's a place in there where you
have to think to yourself and know, man, I'm going there.
And when I went to Marshall, Marshall was not the

(24:33):
Marshal that you would think it was today. Marshall would
have been like, that's just where you that's just where
you fel you know, you just ended up there because
they weren't very good. I might have won three games
per season my entire four years there, but I played
and the coaches that.

Speaker 5 (24:53):
I had were hard. They were yelling, they were screaming,
they were cussing, and they made you give everything.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
I feel like I'm looking at somebody that has that
same kind of drive in them because you're comfortable, you're calm,
it's not excited, but you're on the field.

Speaker 5 (25:22):
Coach, I'm thinking he is. He's a leader.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Probably he's trying to get every single yard, and there's
something to that.

Speaker 5 (25:30):
There's something to.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
That that you have to recognize about yourself, that your
greatness is in you.

Speaker 10 (25:38):
See on what Tuffy said, I never really like thought
about how good I am or stuff like that, because
like I know I'm good, I hear it, but like
I know I could be better. So that's what I
chase for every single day is to get better. So
if I can get that extra yard with somebody on
my back, I'm gonna push for that extra yard. That's
just that's just my type of mentality. I don't want
I don't want somebody to feel like they're better than me.

(25:59):
I want to go in there and I want to
be the best player on that field.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
Absolutely the court.

Speaker 5 (26:03):
That's just how my mentality.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
And then and again, So we got basketball season coming up.
So what what can we expect from the Black Eagles
this hoop season? Uh?

Speaker 10 (26:14):
We lost, We lost pretty much our whole start in five.
But I still think we got a chance to compete
with any team in the valley. You know, I feel
like we gotta We're gonna be a small team, but
we're gonna be aggressive and a fast paced team.

Speaker 5 (26:25):
We played.

Speaker 10 (26:26):
We all play defense. We got some shooters on our team,
so as long as we spread the court, get some penetration,
drives and kicks, we can beat teams.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah, I know, you lost a room. He's a tech now.
And are we still playing at the rec Center? Because
I know there was some issues last year as far
as the lighting and stuff. I didn't know if the
games were going to be moved back to South Charleston
this year.

Speaker 5 (26:45):
Well as far as I know. Okay, we start the
actors today at direct Okay, all right, So.

Speaker 7 (26:50):
Coach, while we have you guys sitting here together in
the same room, what was it like having him on
the field every single game and knowing that you know,
he could, he could make things happen and for your team.
I mean, just tell us about the kind of relationship
you guys had whenever you were in football season.

Speaker 6 (27:07):
I always go back to everything from the beginning, like
the very first time that you meet someone, the impact
that they make upon you, the impression that they make
upon you. He walks in, and I've got I think
it was like seventy some kids, because some of those
guys show up and they don't play, but seventy some kids,

(27:27):
and like who stands out? And he walked right up
and shook my hand and then went over and sat down.
So like, I think that there was a real hunger.
And I'm not going to sit here and pat myself
on the back because I'm gonna tell you my coaches,
I think they did a great job of coaching. And
I think that LB would admit that there was a

(27:47):
hunger for these guys to be coached, but to be
coached really hard, like coach was talking about. So like
it was it was a little different, Like we went
at the kids a little differently than I've ever been
because I see the potential.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
I see it all.

Speaker 6 (28:04):
And and it started with him, like he was one
of the captains that was picked within the coaching group,
and uh and and and the leadership that he had
on the football field. Now, you know, with every with
every leader, you know, they have their own personality. And
he's the guy that can make a locker room crack
up laughing too.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
So leadership always needs stuff like that you do.

Speaker 6 (28:26):
But sometimes, you know, we we'd have to have that
conversations like time and place, and then he he that
he's the guy that would go I understand, you know.

Speaker 7 (28:33):
So.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
But what I loved about.

Speaker 6 (28:37):
Him just as a just a person is just like
the like the maturation. You can see it in him
and how he how he responds with adults versus how
he is with his uh, you know, his peers. But
when he gets on the football field, he hits a
different switch. He flips the key to another level where

(28:57):
I was so impressed. We were learning football in our
first two scrimmages and I was like, man, are we
going to score a touchdown?

Speaker 4 (29:04):
Like it was killing me in my head.

Speaker 6 (29:06):
But when we go and open up our first football
game and I see Number one with about eight guys
on his back and he's carrying that load down the
field and I'm just like okay, So like the then
that's the expectation. So hey, you know, we better take
nine to bring you down the next time. So those
are the things that we would challenge the kids with
in the film room, and we spent a lot of

(29:28):
time going over stuff like this, like of you know,
how like we tie. He's a natural okay, but like
there are coaching points that can make you better, and
he took to it, just like when we ran inside
zone of where he needs to be chasing, like the
guy that he needs to be chasing, and how he
needs to get his eyes to the point of a
contact so he can read the gap that's gonna come open,

(29:50):
and how the backers are flowing and he naturally, he
naturally grabbed that because you see so many kids. I
see it all the time in middle school football. I
see it even in high school footb all teams running
inside zone and they want to bounce it out the
front side of the play and what is the first
thing that comes out of yellow hanky for official?

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Because of the way the right.

Speaker 6 (30:08):
Tackle or left tackles being taught to be blocked on
the front side, he was a kid that trusted the
process would press the hole, get vertical through it, and
even though if a linebacker would meet him at three yards,
that linebacker is not bringing him down by himself.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
See I like this geeky football talk. Yes, right up
the alley. Because what pains me the most in watching
high school running backs is that what I think they
don't realize is that you run with your eyes.

Speaker 5 (30:34):
It is not how fast you are. It's not even
how quick you are.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
If you could be just an average you have just
average speed, but if you got elite vision, you're going
to find the hole where you're going to hit it
before it becomes open. And that's the mark of a
good running back versus a great running back. Because I
see a lot of kids, even at the high school
and even seniors, all they do is get the ball
and just try to out run everybody and eventually it's

(30:58):
not going to work until your point. It causes penalties
and you really and as a coach, I'm watching it
like coach, so you're seeing the lanes just like, oh
my god, why did he missed that miss?

Speaker 4 (31:09):
Yeah we had to.

Speaker 6 (31:10):
We corrected a couple of times, did we I mean
like early in the year, But like that comes with
with coaching, but it also comes with a kid that's
willing to learn stuff because like you're gonna have different
aiming points on inside zone as you would power, as
you would counter, you know, and all the different aiming points.
So he's got to grasp a whole new system in
one year. And you know, I told all the seniors,

(31:30):
I wish we had another year with you because they
started to get it, like, uh, you know, not to
flip another kid on our team, but like the Braden
Zuni could playing linebacker, like he's like I've we were
never taught to read a gardener life. We're just running
and trying to find the football and dear Lord, like
you know, like so by the time that we got moving,
you would agree because you played right behind him. Was

(31:52):
he not flying to the football? So like the that's
the key to everything is your eyes. Eyes, eyes take
you to everything. And him as a LB is a
running back, like the patience that he had already, that's
something that I could live with because we talked about
patients as a running back, he had that that was
his thing. Now he's getting to play with his eyes
a little bit, and we were getting on those linemen

(32:13):
getting hat for hat, and I challenged the offensive line,
and there were locals, you know, but people in you know,
other communities just saying that that that offense, it doesn't
matter what we do.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
The offensive line is not going to be good.

Speaker 6 (32:25):
And they did a good job of blocking for him
because they were going against eight and nine men fronts.
I don't think people realize how critical that is. We
only have five linemen plus a tight end, so that's
six hats that can block six. A quarterback can carry
out a fake and maybe hold that seventh through that,
but there's another guy that's an unblocked defender right there.
So then when you people figured out, hey, I said,

(32:45):
I said it one time after the ball game until
we got beat. I was like, everybody knows the blueprint
to beat this right now is go cover zero and
just bring the extra hat the ball how to tackle him.
But the biggest problem was, you know, we struggled in
the passing game. Yeah, so they're going to get the
extra hat down in the box. That I challenge anybody
and any sports writer that's listening to this, like this

(33:07):
kid's a first team O stater, he's probably even with
a two and eight record, in my book, a captain
type material. But at the same time, like he will
not go down by one man. He was patient, he
learned how to play the game of football. So when
college coaches call and ask me questions, it's a real
simple self.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Let me ask you this too, because we coached. I
coached for a few years, and what I always was
impressed by your coaching ability was your ability to learn.
You were constantly going to coaching clinics, constantly just trying
to learn what was new. We were constantly tinkering, just
trying to make things more efficient, make things better. Can

(33:46):
you just talk about, just like being a coaching the education,
continual education that has to happen.

Speaker 6 (33:52):
In the most underpaid position in the history of West
Virginia High school.

Speaker 5 (33:56):
So it's ridiculous. Yes, that is true.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
We can spend.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Money constantly to go get better because we're going to
can't we going to coaching Clintic's all over the country?

Speaker 6 (34:06):
To me, like, at the end of the day, you know,
it would be nice to be paid a little bit more,
But it's never about the money. It's always about the
relationships that we build with the kids. But that's really
like football's football you get a lot of people out
here saying, like, you know, they need to run in better.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
Plays and stuff like that. Not like football's football.

Speaker 6 (34:25):
At the end of the day, as long as you
can get a hat for a hat and you can
get your guy to be patient and get vertical through
a hole or whatever play you're running, like football's football.
Like what you need is you need that that team cohesiveness,
that that bonding, that culture, Like that's the big thing.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
That's that's the biggest.

Speaker 6 (34:43):
Thing in any locker room is culture. You can run
a midget league offense as long as you have culture.
So what we tried to bring to the kid is
that to the kids is our culture is gonna be tough.
We're gonna be hard on you. We're gonna get you know,
we're gonna yell at you, and we're gonna we're probably
gonna ge.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
A little bit upset at you. But at the end
of the day, when you.

Speaker 6 (35:02):
Walk off that football field, we're going to tell you
why we love you and how we can get better
because we we want to see you be successful. So
our success is being driven through these young men. And
there's nothing more prevalent to a kid than winning a
football game, and I'll never forget the hell Mary at Ripley.

(35:26):
It's like forever ingrained in me. And I promise you
Coach May's ran a four to forty on that head
to get down to the end zone, to get to
that official to tell him he caught the ball. That game,
there were so many flags, I mean, I don't I
think they were just falling out.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
Of the sky.

Speaker 6 (35:45):
And uh, I think it was raining flags that day.
But on that one, I was going to make sure
they didn't make their make the wrong call. We had
We had six or seven different views of that catch,
and even Ripley sent one from their wrestling room and
it was a catch and I saw it clear. Of
course I did right, So I spread it down and
I made sure. But that that is going to be
forever ingrained in my and and you know what, you

(36:08):
know how and of all football that I've ever coached,
and being a part of state championship teams and being
runner up teams and having quarterbacks who have done things,
that moment just to watch these kids who have not
won a game since you played, since you coached them,

(36:28):
to watch them win and to see that release of
just like anxiety leave that system. It was a moment
I'll never forget nice.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yeah, And you know I can I can relate to
that with with State just trying. Once I got down
at West Virginia State. One of the things that was
was the challenge was to win, to just to win
a game. And I'd even say that it's probably be

(37:00):
even bigger for the players to when they realize that
they're going to win that game and.

Speaker 5 (37:06):
They haven't won in a long time.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
That's the probably the greatest moment I think for the
coach to watch the players be excited over that.

Speaker 6 (37:16):
Just seeing them and the and the parents, yes, and
and the students who came to watch them, and the band,
the cheer, all the people who show up to the game,
and just to see the excitement upon we as coaches
we step away. It is a lonely world. Guy, there's
a lonely world. You've got everybody and their brother out
there on social media telling you how you can do

(37:37):
something better. But the reality of the situation is as
a coach, the most important thing for us is to
watch our kids be happy, and whether that be with
a victory, whether that be getting to a college or university,
of their of their choice, whether it just be going
to the workforce and coming back and cheering for you
on Friday nights. We get a lot of that too,

(37:57):
so are we We try. I try to tell them
we're gonna treat this. We're gonna treat South Charleston High
School like Jimmy Johnson did the Miami Hurricanes, and we're
gonna draw a circle around Dunbar and South Charleston.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
But once you play for us.

Speaker 6 (38:08):
You're forever a Black Eagle, and we're you're gonna be
on our sidelines. I can't tell you how many kids
have just come back just to watch us this year,
and even kids who you know are in college. You
know we're playing right now. The phone messages and just
the elation they had when we beat Ripley and they
were so happy for the kids. I kind of read
I read out a couple of them on that Monday

(38:29):
meeting with the boys, because I always meet with the
kids Monday before we go do anything. And uh, I
just all the excitement of that game alone. It kind
of it helped us become a better unit, helped our
culture and.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
I and my hat's off to you about allowing former
players to come down on the sideline, be it practice,
all of that kind of stuff, because I think it's
something for and I'll say us, if there's something about
being able to be down there to watch the kids

(39:07):
that are representing the school that you've played at, and
you're like happy and excited to be down there and
watching whether it's successful or not, whether they win or lose.
You just want to be part. You want to realize
that you are down on this sideline where you used
to be as a player and watching these young players play.

(39:29):
When loser draw, you're happy, You're proud of them, you know.
And I think that's I think that's the that's the
biggest thing for I think anybody who quotes an alumni
player for South Charleston, if you're able to get on
that sideline, a coach is letting you on the sideline,
letting you be that personal to his team. Man, I

(39:51):
think that's the greatest thing going.

Speaker 6 (39:52):
That's the relationship part of it. But the second part
of it is it also puts a little bit of
a pressure on the kid who's wearing the number that
that guy I may have gone like.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
That's we talked about that at.

Speaker 6 (40:03):
The beginning of the year, you had to earn your number,
like you remember that, and then and I gave out
certain numbers to kids, like he wore the number one for.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
A reason, like a lot of great players have warned
that number.

Speaker 6 (40:16):
It's how Charleston, including our our very own dryk Pits
who played Tampa great Buccaneers, you know. But you know,
also like another kid, the Zuniga kid that I mentioned,
like like he wore number five for a reason.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
I don't even know what number he wore the year before.

Speaker 6 (40:30):
I didn't care, Like I wanted to let them know
how important these jersey numbers were to this the two program,
and like how that's going to carry over. So when
those guys stepped foot on the field where they may
be coaching on another team and see you whearing it,
they're they're gauging that kid, and they're saying, Okay, that
guy wore that jersey right and or he didn't, you know,

(40:52):
So like that, that's how we can challenge the kids.
But that's a culture thing. I mean, it's all about culture.
It's it really is. And these kids maybe one day
they'll understand what it was and what it meant to them,
But they're always welcome back.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
So it's gonna click one day for them.

Speaker 6 (41:08):
They're gonna be able to stand down there on the
sideline and maybe watch a nephew or cousin or somebody
play the game. And that kid may be wearing that
number one jersey. And I'll tell you right now, if
there's a kid getting tackled one on one in the whole,
Malcolm Brown's gonna look at that kid and say, you're
wearing number one.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
You don't get down.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
So Malcolm, where do you have any prospects to where
you would like to go to school?

Speaker 5 (41:31):
Do you have any offers? What's what's going on in
that end?

Speaker 10 (41:34):
I did see my first football for congratulations man, big
thank you.

Speaker 5 (41:39):
Yeah. I mean some schools I would love to go to.

Speaker 10 (41:41):
I mean, you know, any any kid want to go
to a power five school, you know, like Miami. You know,
I don't know USC, you know, just a big time
D you want school. So any type of D one school.
But you know, any school is good school for me.
I just get the opportunity to play the football, basketball,
I'm gonna take that opportunity.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Yeah, it's all about opportunity now, it don't matter where
you start at now you started anywhere.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
If you if you.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Play well at the level they're looking, they're going to
be trying to pull you up.

Speaker 7 (42:07):
So so LB, I'm going to ask you the question
I just asked Coach Mays because he kind of described
things about you that he admired and liked. And so
you're a senior, so you've got a little, you know,
a little leeway here. Tell us tell us your favorite
favorite things that you love about Coach Mays and things
that probably weren't your favorite parts of Coach Mas's personality.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
Remember you're a senior, all right.

Speaker 5 (42:33):
That sounds like act.

Speaker 10 (42:37):
I think we might have to leave it the things
we dislike out, But really there's really nothing to dislike.
I really I likes he holds us accountable. I mean,
like if you take a look at the way we
practiced last year, in the way we practiced this year
is so much different. Like there's we're more we're more focused,
we're more what's the word organized, So we have more

(42:58):
organized practices and we get stuffed down and it's more
of on a set schedule and we're learning things at
that Because like he said about the reading the guards,
I had no idea what reading the guard even meant.
Because this is my first two years of playing football
since Little league, so I had no type of football
football information or college you know, so him teaching us
that that was great. You know, I learned how to
read a guard pulling it. I know which way the

(43:20):
ball is going, so that was great. So pretty much
I like everything about Coach Made. It's a great coach,
you know, Like he said, I wish I had one
more year. I feel like one more year we could
turn it two and eighteen to eight and two team.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
You know what I'm saying exactly?

Speaker 5 (43:34):
All right, man, when when is uh coach Makes? When
When is weightlifting start? When does the offseason training start?

Speaker 6 (43:39):
So right now, we just we give the kids a
little bit of a time, like it's a decompression time.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
Usually January is when we.

Speaker 6 (43:47):
Start weights where you need to start being in there
if you're not playing another sport. But right now, we're
just gonna take a few weeks and and I have
a couple of coaches that'll leave the weight room open
for them so they can get in there and get
some free lifts in to get some acclamation going. But
you know, I've got some plans to make our place
a lot better and and getting the right people in

(44:09):
place is very important to me. And uh and like
once again that'll build just more of our culture. So uh,
that's that's the side that I feel like our program
is going to take steps forward in as in the
off season program. But you know what he said, we
you can tell on the teams out of shape if
if game one or game two or even like late

(44:30):
in the season, kids are cramping up everywhere.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
And I can say this with the most happy coaching
face on.

Speaker 6 (44:39):
We had zero cramps in in the season because we
we really got after Now we'll say during the camp
we had guys going in an ambulance a whole.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
Lot of cramps because you know, we got was supposed
to have.

Speaker 6 (44:54):
It was not easy and uh, but but I think
that you know, if we went if we went easy
on these guys and tried to be their friend. I'm
very close friends with Carlos Lochlan, the wide the running
back coach at the Ohio State Locke and I have
known each other for a long time and he he's
he's got a great sound SoundBite on where he was
being interviewed. He's like, if if you want to be

(45:15):
my friend. Go score a touchdown, you know, then I'll
be your friend. That's how we want to be as
a coach. You know, like you do things right, then
we're going to be your be your friend. But then
you know, if you can't do the things right, we're
not friends right now.

Speaker 4 (45:28):
You know that. That's how camp is.

Speaker 6 (45:31):
That's how the two week window of getting ready for
that first scrimmage is.

Speaker 4 (45:34):
It's tough.

Speaker 6 (45:35):
It's in your face, and it's it's it's all about business,
and it's that if we went easy on these guys,
we probably don't hit a hell mary at the end.
We probably are not even even remotely in the game.
We probably don't score the touchdowns that we did this year.
But I think that we challenged our guys enough. And
I watched him, like you he lb had what twelve

(45:56):
runs last year or something that they didn't even get
the ball in his So, like when you're breaking down
your film and you're watching each kid, I'm like.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
That's a kid that's got to touch the football.

Speaker 6 (46:05):
Yeah, And I think you had one hundred and seventy
seven touches this year just as a just as a
running back or taking off with the quarterback, you know,
and then I just can't count how many times he
had pun or kick returns.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
But he also had some how many catches did you have?

Speaker 6 (46:21):
I was like twelve or thirteen catches for one hundred
and eighty eight yards on a touchdown or two. But
as a coach, it's our job to get the ball
to the right players, and that camp you can figure
out a lot of things because the guys who want
to back down a little bit or step aside and
they're just like, you know, this is too tough. The

(46:43):
guys that step forward, that's him. So that's praise for LB.
Like stepping forward. We're in a we're in an orange
and black scrimmage on a Saturday afternoon, and he got
an eighty yard run.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
I'll never forget it.

Speaker 6 (46:56):
And kids are cramping and trying to get off the field,
and I'm grabbing them and throwing them up and just
trying to be not him, but other kids and trying
to get them just get set and let's go like
we're just trying to go as hard and fast as
we can because it's that mentality. And eventually it just
took over and it was contagious and I'm so blessed
we had zero cramps and I and if we ever

(47:17):
have a cramp on the football field, the whole team's
gonna pay on that money because they're not working well.

Speaker 5 (47:22):
Coach, Like I said, man, we appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
And you know, it's just like when when the valley
is good in football, basketball, baseball, and I'm talking about
Knaw Valley, Kanah County, the state is good in football, baseball.
It's just it's something that when we got our GW's
and capitals in South Charleston and Riverside and their bikes compete,
it just makes the whole state better. So I just

(47:47):
look forward to the next couple of years when we
get back on track.

Speaker 5 (47:50):
Now not only is South Charleston, but just so around
the valley.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
All right, well, coach, we appreciate you guys being here,
and uh.

Speaker 7 (47:58):
We shall be the best of luck whatever whatever school
he pursues. Oh and I have a question for him.
He's kind of kind of like, so you watch NFL
football correcked, Okay, So who is your favorite pro football team?
And why is it the Packers?

Speaker 3 (48:19):
We got we gotta, we gotta, we gotta cut that
out of the show.

Speaker 5 (48:24):
We do not like there you go, there you go?
So who do you like?

Speaker 4 (48:28):
We like the cowboys that.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Just because.

Speaker 7 (48:37):
And you would get along great.

Speaker 11 (48:38):
You know, we gotta talk rings. I might not have
seen any, but we gotta talk ring. Why go glud
for punishment?

Speaker 5 (48:50):
We just gotta take taking.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
Just take a look at at the guys in purple
and watch them a little bit, and you might find
you might find you might like him.

Speaker 5 (48:58):
I'm just saying, I don't know, and I know it does.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
But but that purple man. You can't beat that purple
So I don't want to again. I don't want to
end this on a somber note, but I think we
have to address it. You know, recently we had a
speaking of the cowboys because Marcel Marcel Kneeling.

Speaker 5 (49:21):
I don't want to mispronounce his.

Speaker 7 (49:22):
Names, Marshwan marsh Marshan.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Kinglan excuse me, I did pronounce it now, but he
uh he, he could be suicide it. And I think
it's just an important talking point that when we're talking
about athletics, we often overlook the mental health side of that,
and particularly and it's not just wrolving around CTE and

(49:45):
different things of that nature. I think it's a pathology
in which we spent our whole lives doing something, prepping something,
dreaming about something, and whether that ends in high school
or college or even ends in the pros, oftentimes that
can havoc on our mental health. So I just want
to encourage all athletes out there to not only do

(50:05):
what you do athletically, love your sport, but also have
a variety of interests, have other things that you're interested in,
and also don't let the machoism, particularly in male sports,
deter you from seeking help that you may need to
deal with any mental health issues that are plaguing you.
So there's avenues. There's nine eight eight, there's a the

(50:28):
West Virginia Helpline. Nine eight is a national line, so
anywhere you are in the country you can call that
if you need to talk to somebody, talk to your parents,
talk to a counselor. Like I said, if you're feeling
any sort of issues that are that you can't control
what's going on mentally, please take the time to address it.

Speaker 6 (50:48):
Scripture as well. I mean, yeah, thank you, and we
we put fc A with our football program and I
try to as much as I can. You know, give
some type of word throughout the week for the kids,
because that we all have a purpose here that we're
trying to serve and and if we lose track of
that focus, that, you know, unfortunately things like that happen.

(51:09):
So as long as we keep, you know, our faith first,
I think that a lot of times those things will
take care of themselves.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
And I think too, in closing out the awareness of
that player who might not be aware that he or
she is in that place, I think the awareness of
from the coaching staff, from the teammates, from maybe even

(51:38):
from parents or whatever seeing where that.

Speaker 5 (51:44):
Child is, or because I can I.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Can remember a young man who played in Minnesota and
he was a he was an amazing player, and he
just had a ton of issues and it was it
was basically it was just kind of overlooked, you know,
and he filled it with drinking and his career died

(52:13):
out on him, and it was it was, you know,
And to to this point, I don't even know, like
I don't know where he's at, what he's doing.

Speaker 5 (52:21):
I'm hoping that he got help.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
I'm hoping that something was somebody helped him somewhere, and.

Speaker 5 (52:29):
And I think.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
You can't overlook that you cannot overlook that because if
you if you don't do anything, if you don't say something,
that person's life could could go anywhere, you know. So
finishing on that kind of on that kind of a note, coaches, coach,

(52:52):
I appreciate you guys being here. Uh, Lisa, I'm enjoying
you being here. Holler as well. Okay, I appreciate everybody
being here, and we will be back again next.

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Speaker 1 (53:27):
If you fall, does it, don't for get back up
for your feet. Anything will be a win, yup, even defeat.
The say shits a bath for you? Whis villyy sweet?
Couldn't play with big kids. I had to sit in
the street and watch from a distance. But nover time
I grew. If I put in the work. In no time,
I'm doing everything that I worked and prayed on Moka.
If you ask me, how did I do? What I'm

(53:48):
gonna say. You gotta work, ry Shane, it's mine gotta
show everybody is my time here. You gotta work, cry Shan.
You never mind who's talking time this day line. Don't talk.
You gotta work. You gotta work. You gotta work. You
gotta work. You gotta work. You gotta work.