Let’s Talk with carl Lee – Christy Martin’s Story, Strength, and the Spirit of West Virginia

On this week’s Let’s Talk, Carl Lee and Lisa Odie revisit their earlier interview with West Virginia boxing legend Christy Martin as her new biopic, Christy, hits theaters. The hosts discuss her legacy as a trailblazer in women’s boxing, her harrowing story of survival from domestic violence, and the significance of her choosing to premiere the film in Beckley. The conversation expands into themes of resilience, representation, and how Martin’s courage continues to inspire new generations of athletes from her home state

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
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(00:41):
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Speaker 3 (00:51):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, This is Curly with Let's Talk.
And uh, I have my co host Lisa Odie with
me today. Hello, Hollins Lewis could not make it, and uh.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
Neither could our guests and neither could I get so
we'll explain later.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
But okay, But and Christy Martin, who we've had on
before her new show comes out.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
Yeah, yeah, and it's exciting.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
It really is. And and we were hoping to have
her on to kind of talk about it.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
She's in New York City, stuck in.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
And obviously we don't really want her to be driving
and trying to talk.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
That not the place to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
But I'm going to start out with can.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
We play the clip? Oh? Yeah, yeah, we've got a
movie trailer to play.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
You must be the lady I've been hearing so much
about it.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yes, sir, you're the world champion right now.

Speaker 5 (02:00):
You think you would make me go, but one day
you're going to make up and realize that it turns
just fine without.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
How funny you are, like famine too. I am worried
about you.

Speaker 6 (02:22):
I Parson stopping what stuffs half my life? Hadding, that's
my house, that's my jo.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
There's no Crystal Martwood him.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Believe me, I'll kill you.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
What do we have to do? Oh?

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Boy, ladies and gentlemen, have I got a street for you?

Speaker 4 (03:01):
I couldn't get much out of that clip, but you
kind of get the idea. It's very suspenseful.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Well yeah, yeah, yeah, And there was a there was
a a piece in there that that caught my attention.
If you leave, I'm gonna kill you. I that the
history of it, right, And I think and again, one
of the one of the interesting things that I when

(03:27):
I when I think about Christy and I think about
her as it relates to West Virginia athletes as a whole,
how many athletes is the foundation basically of their sport.
Randy Moss is great, possibly the greatest athlete to ever

(03:50):
come out of West Virginia. Sure, but he didn't create
you know, he's not the face of football. Sure, you know,
you know, you have you know, you have Michael Jordan,
you have these people. But and I'm not saying she
has to be as big as Michael Jordan or anybody

(04:11):
that you could take in basketball, football or whatever. But
what does it take, What does it take to be
the person who actually gives the breath of life to
a sport?

Speaker 4 (04:27):
And that's the perfect way to put it. I love
the way you said that, because she basically this young
girl from a small town in West Virginia, she basically
changed the face of women's boxing.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yes, And.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
Just to think that someone thought enough of her story
and beyond just the story of her really making an
impact on women's boxing as a sport, her life, her
her story behind the scenes, just makes your jaw it's
jaw dropping.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
And again if you're listening, if you listen to that
clip in the opening, you know there's some there's some
there's some verbies. Yes, you know, this is her life.
This is the life that she lived. Wow, she is
doing her sport, her boxing.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Yes, you know.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Now you could say, okay, well maybe that's motivation, Da
da da da. But I know sports, and I know
if your mind's not in it, yeah, you can't do it.
And how do you switch from being physically abused at home? Right?
I mean, and you can make the case that, okay,
she she's taking it out on somebody else. I don't really,

(05:45):
I don't really see it like that.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
I think in the case of Christy, she's such a
strong woman and having her in the studio with Champ
her dog, it was just an amazing experience. I'll never
forget it. But just to hear her speak in her
and her calmness, uh, you just can't imagine what she's
capable of in the ring. First of all, right, you

(06:08):
don't think she could be like that, but but she
she's a she's just this incredible person. And to think
what she went through besides having the career in boxing.
To think what she went through, like we said, behind
the scenes with her ex husband, Uh, it just it
just it boggles the mind. And like also her trainer, Yes,

(06:28):
he was the one that promoted her, trained her, and
then they eventually got married. Yes. So so all of
that she had to overcome and endure to to be
who she is today. And and I think that's what's
such such a fascination of her story, and especially for
her to tell it's even even more awesome. But to

(06:49):
go into a theater and people don't know I think
they know her name, and they know that what she
did for women's sports, but they have no idea what
she endured behind the scenes, you know, as far as
really just partner violence. I mean it was just domestic
violence that she endured and almost died.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
And again, I mean, we've had some great athletes coming
out of West Virginia, yes, and and you can make
the case that each one of them has a story
of what they went through to get wherever they sure
were able to whatever they were able to achieve. But

(07:31):
somebody looked at her story, right and said, hmmm, yeah,
this is this is this is difference.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
This is film worthy.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Yeah, this is film worthy. And again I don't care
what who who, I don't care what you think about
it as a as a whole. If you watch it
and you're like, oh this this that it's bigger than you. Oh,
it's bigger than how you feel about the quote, the
quality of it. It is about. This is somebody's life, absolutely,

(08:04):
you know, and I think that, regardless, is bigger than
anything else.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
Right, And just the storyline, I mean, going from like
I said, going from finding you know, her her niche
in life. You know, at the beginning when she decided, Hey,
this is what I want to do. I want to box,
then ending up under Don King's wing for a while,
fought Lala Laila Ali right uh, and then toward the
end whenever she was famous and she was you know,

(08:34):
going through her career and doing all these amazing things
for her husband. You know, I don't want to be
a spoiler alert, but I mean, you know he basically
he basically tried to kill her. Yeah, when she she
tried to leave him. So the whole storyline is fascinating.
You guys, if you have an opportunity this weekend to
hit the theaters and go see it. Like we said,
the premiere is on Friday, and she's actually having a

(08:56):
red carpet event in Beckley at the Marquis Cinema where
she will be in person there. Now, I don't know
if Sidney Sweeney will be there. Now, if Sidney's gonna
be there, I'm gonna make that track right, No, I'm
just kidding, but but I mean I know for a
fact that she will be there, uh here home in
West Virginia, and I think that's pretty special to come
home for a theatrical release that's going to be She

(09:17):
could go anywhere.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
And again that speaks volumes to me, yes, because she's
not just quote a great West Virginia athlete that was
the greatest at her sport. Sure, she could go anywhere,
she could she she she could pick anywhere that she
wanted to have this, Yes, absolutely, and she's picking here.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
Right, which is pretty which is huge. Yeah, it's huge.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
I mean, it's a it's a it's a huge give
back and respect to her roots, to her roots, and
and we and and and we as West Virginian's we
hate when an athlete gets big go somewhere else and
we don't hear and we don't hear from them. They
don't come back, they don't do this. Yeah, and here

(10:08):
is somebody that wants to bring who wants to bring
everything about her past back home to West Virginia. Yeah,
and you can't tell me, you get You have no
choice but to take your hat off. You have no
choice to pay whatever it costs to get to the
movies just to see it. Judge it however you want

(10:30):
after you come out. But do her a favor and
go to the movie.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
Yeah, for sure. And the other thing I wanted to
add to that is, you know, just just the whole
the aura of her. I mean, like I said, if
you haven't, first of all, if you haven't checked that
podcast out that we have, go back to the archives
and listen to her, because she was She sat here
with an hour and just spoke so eloquently, so calmly,

(10:56):
you would never know she's a boxer. But her story,
I mean, the thing that we discussed with her, and
it was basically on the Netflix. They had a documentary
about her life. I forget the name of it. I
should know it, but we all watched it and you know,
we'll figure it out. Was it Dancing with the devil
or something like that. It was something similar to that.
But that's also something you should watch. That's an actual

(11:17):
documentary of Christie's life. But but anyway, just if you
haven't done that yet, you need to go back and
listen to that podcast because it was a pretty special
evening that we had with her and her dog, Champ
And just kudos to her for everything she's doing for West.
I mean, she didn't have to come in in James
in person.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
She doesn't even have to claim West Virginia.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
She does it. I mean, she just happened to be
in town and luckily we got her in in the
in the studio and you know, sat down and spent
an hour of her time with us. It just it
just speaks volumes of her.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
At no time did she seem rushed or no anything
or bothered by a question.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
And now she's her story. The movie is actually her
first name. Yeah, how awesome is that? I mean, Christy,
you know you can't I don't know if you can say.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
You know, now when we start talking about like you know,
we can I don't know if we want to say
the greatest athlete, but when you start talking about the
most notable is she is she becoming one of the
most notable because you know, there was Jerry West of
the movie. Yes, because you know, like like Jerry West,
like you know, all the conversations and all the things

(12:25):
around him, it was hard to say that anybody else
was bigger than him. But as his time kind of
went away and become somebody else, to become somebody else. Yeah,
But I think are we in the moment of Christy Martin?

Speaker 4 (12:41):
I think so. And I think once her story gets
out here, once, once this movie is released in the
theaters and people go out and see it, and you know,
it's one thing to experience. You can look things up
on the internet and read about it in an article,
but to see it, you know, act, especially Sidney Sweeney.
I'm sure Is will do a fabulous job. From what
I've heard from reviews. She she did an excellent job.

(13:02):
But just to be able to see it on the
big screen in order, you know, from the beginning of
her career to the end, and be able to see
her story, I think it just it would be more
magical and and we'll get out there more.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
And I and I and I hate to even say this,
but what I'm interested in is the home life of
what she was actually going through. Yes, because there's there
is this reality that, you know, bad home life. You know,
you can put all that into you can put all
that frustration, all that anger into into your sport or

(13:38):
into whatever that is. And I do I do get that.
I do, I do believe that. But when she's sitting
when she was sitting in here, I don't even know
if I could see her anger even into the sport.
She could be just you know what I'm saying, Like

(13:59):
she she just seemed so.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
Past the mild. Yes, I don't know how to describe her.
I mean, she was very articulate, very She's a very intelligent,
you know, studied woman.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Not angered, no, don't have, but didn't come about.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
And I bet you that's taken time. I mean, you know,
it's been a minute since all that happened, and she's
probably had to work through all of the feelings that
she probably experienced. And now she's probably taken that feeling
and kind of channeled it into wanting to Because I
think part of the message of this movie it's not
only her life and her career, but it's also you know,

(14:38):
if you're someone that's dealing with this type of abuse,
and she even mentioned this in the studio when she
was here. If you're someone who's enduring this type of
abuse and you see the warning signs, you know, she
kind of ignored the red flags. And I think part
of her mission with this movie is not only for
people to understand her her boxing career, but also to

(15:00):
kind of see the things that can happen in a
abusive relationship and you need to, you know, kind of
watch for these things and get out before it gets
to the extent that I had to experience it.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
Now that you say that, yeah, I almost feel like
that's the foundation of the movie and her Bobby, A
big part is just the extra right, It's just where
she was able to maybe put out that anger and
all those kinds of things. But I now that you
say that, I really and seeing her in the studio,

(15:32):
seeing her so calm. Yeah, but it's it's like she's
past that, and she wants everybody to see how that happens, Yes,
how it happened.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
For her, right, And I think that's that's her I
don't want to say it's her goal, but I think
that's a big part of the reason that she wants
this movie to be successful. Is so that, you know,
not like I said, I don't think the biggest focus
is on what she did in her boxing career, but
it's more of and I think she even mentioned this
and like I said, listen to this podcast. It's amazing.

(16:07):
But she she even said, my message is to help others. Now,
this is this is why I'm doing this. And so anyway,
I just feel like, if if you have a chance,
go see the movie. I can't wait to go see
the movie myself.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
So I again, we are we are fortunate to have
had her on and unfortunately she wasn't able to make
it today as.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
A call in, and I had some great questions but
oh well, you know well.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
And and again I kind of plans. But some of
the questions that you may have, you know, I think
they're they're they're relatable to us to even kind of
discuss and or put out there for people too who
know her, who may look her up, who haven't heard

(17:00):
of her and may look her up.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
And well, I think the main and we can discuss
this question because this was the one that I really
wanted her to answer for me, and it was like
the main focus. But which part of your life was
the most challenged, challenging to watch while it was being
depicted on screen. Yeah, and I felt like probably it

(17:26):
would be the domestic violence part of it, but that
would be one of the questions I would have asked.
Also her relationship with Sidney Sweeney. You know, they had
to spend a lot of time together in order for
Sydney to be able to portray her in an emotion picture.
And I'm just wondering what kind of things they shared

(17:46):
in a relationship for her to deeply understand, because you
have to deeply understand, especially when you're doing this type
of a movie, and.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
If you're a friend to something, you become a friend
to somebody who's who's playing you.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
Right, you have to get into the character to understand
that character. So I wonder. I'm sure that Christy provided
lots of valuable, you know, advice in different things for
her to be able to do this.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
So and the better that Sidney would play that role,
the more real it looks.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
Right, authentic authenticity you need it for this type of movie.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
When you're watching somebody play you in such a negative situation, gosh, emotionally,
how do you watch that I mean.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
That's gonna be that that that would be my one
question for her. I mean I think that that would
be even for I mean even it's just a day
to day like you and I. I can't imagine. I mean,
I have nothing to make a movie about, believe me,
But I mean, like if it just parts of your
life that were very hard for you and seeing someone
act them out on the screen, regardless of what they are.

(18:55):
Everybody has personal tragedy. Everybody. Hers is a bigger degree
than but we all have personal tragedies that we deal with,
and to see someone acting it out, it's gotta be like.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
And and think about it. It's tough.

Speaker 4 (19:09):
It's got to be tough if you you relive it,
you live it.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Yes, and and and so you're having you know, you're
going to this ceremony of everybody watching it. All these
famous people are going to be sitting somewhere watching this,
and you're basically, yes, you're basically like letting them inside
of you. How do you sit there and not like,

(19:35):
how do you not break down when you're you're you're
going back and you're reliving a life that you have
basically worked your entire life to get passed and you
feel like you're past it all of a sudden, now
it's on It's on the screen, and you have to
feel it.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
You have to relive it. Well, I bet by now,
and this is just a you know, a guess, an
educated guest. But the movie was released internationally at some
different film festivals in September. She's she's seen it enough
now that probably by the time she sees it again
this Friday, you know, it's not going to be as
raw because she's you know, I don't know. I mean

(20:14):
that that would have been one of my questions. I
think that that would have been an interesting response to
hear from her. And also just basically, you know, do
you think sometimes when you have these movies come out,
do you think they'll be like an uptick in women
entering boxing because they see it this kind of movie
and you know her, she's very inspirational. Yeah, And to

(20:35):
see the way she you know, came from West Virginia
and worked her way to Vegas basically to become the
opening act or opening boxing event for I think it
was Mike Tyson. I mean, to do that is just
huge mind blowing. And so if you're a woman who
has athletic ideas and tendencies. Is this like that little

(20:56):
push that makes you think boxing might be for me?
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
I'm gonna say possibly, okay, but I think see, I
see it so much differently. I see that from my view.
I see women seeing her forget what it is that
she done to get past it, to get through it. Okay,

(21:23):
she's on the other side of it. Yeah, you know,
so she's gotten on the other side of it, no
matter how she got there. And and to me, it's like,
oh that's possible. Yeah, I can get I can get
through this. I just have to find something that fits me,
something that inspires me to make me get beyond that
situation that time.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
That person that's just thinking of young girls like that,
the young girls that aren't at that you know, understandable, right,
and they see that if they go to the movies
and they see the boxing part of it, and you know,
are they like, wow, this this might be for me.
I'm just that would be a thing that, you know,
to me, would be kind of fun to know whether
there's an uptick in women's boxing after this movie release.

(22:07):
But but the part you're saying, I'm not diminishing, and
I'm not and.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
I'm not challenging. I'm not challenging the other side of it.

Speaker 7 (22:14):
I was.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
I was just gonna say, like I think most young
ladies today, young girls, young ladies, I don't know if
they've ever considered you know, that's what I mean. They've
never considered boxing as something because it's not a lot
because it's not you don't.

Speaker 4 (22:33):
Hear about it, don't hear about it, and you don't see.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
A lot of women doing it. Right, But all of
a sudden, now you see this woman and why she
I'm not gonna say why, but what it was doing
for her.

Speaker 7 (22:45):
Right.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
You may have some issues that you're going through that
you continue to battle with. You might think, well, well,
you know, maybe I should get in the gym and yeah,
just see what's see what it's like.

Speaker 7 (22:57):
You know.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Yeah, I'm I'm I'm with that.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
Yeah, I'm pretty psyched about it. So I'm definitely gonna
check it out in the theater as soon as possible.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Yeah, I'm hoping, I'm hoping to. I'm probably gonna try
to go if it's if it's Friday, I'm probably gonna
try to get there on Friday. If and hopefully it's
in days valley or nightro I go somewhere close because
I really I really want to. I want to see
it because of her, because of lately I would have seen.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
It anyway, but but but knowing her personally now and
just and just experiencing that that, you know, just just
kind of like she was. She was really like I
think she was kind of sad that she couldn't be
on tonight because we had texted her and she was
stuck in traffic in New York City and you know
that's probably not fun. And she said, West Virginia strong, right,

(23:52):
you know, thank you, and and so yeah, she's a
she's a she's a really wonderful person.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
And can you could you imagine like watching that with her?

Speaker 4 (24:04):
I think it would be fun. I think at this point,
like I said, I think the emotions are probably not
as raw. So I think where she's she's been to
these premieres and she's seen it more than once.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
But still I mean to me, but but because you know,
because I mean, okay, so like if if I was
if I heard something that was a bad situation in
your life and and I'm and I'm privy to it,
like that would bother me, you know what I'm saying.
And now just having her have been in the studio

(24:36):
one time, right one time, and the way she came across,
I think she's to go ahead. Well, I was gonna say,
to sit by her and watch it. I would be
like I'd see something on the screen that you know
that was ugly, and I'd go like I'd have to.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
Like you'd almost be uncomfort to a degree, yes, because
you just hurt so much for her the pain, Like
I mean, I don't know, like you just you wouldn't
want to see it. Well, like you said, we kind
of we don't know, no, but we know we're well
enough that I feel like if we sat with her
in a room and, like you said, watched that movie
with her and saw what she went through personally, it

(25:20):
would be hard not to react emotionally as well. Like
I think I would be a basket case. I probably
will be anyway.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
And when well, when she was here, you remember, right
as soon as we started to end the show, I
made it very clear to her that I was starstruck. Yeah,
you know, this was the person who actually created a
situation to me to be starstruck because I was like, Okay,

(25:48):
this is this, this is the lady who's basically the
foundation of women's boxing.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
And she's from West Virginia and she's from West Virginia.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
And I didn't know any thing about that until we started,
until it came out.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
Right as daughter, yes, yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
I mean that, and to me, that is just like
an amazing thing. And then then you say, gosh, but
it had but it comes with all of that pain
and agony and all of that.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
I had one more question too, that was pretty important
that I wanted because we all know when you go
to the movie, or when you go to a movie
it's based on a true story, that there's a little embellishment.
A lot of times the directors take some liberties, right,
So one of my questions was how accurate, how accurate
is the film in representing your life? And and and

(26:42):
so I was I was real curious to get her
answer on that, because, like I said, sometimes movies stray.
I'm not saying they stray far away, but sometimes they
stray a little bit for dramatic effect. And I was
just curious to see what her answers would be to that.
So but but you know, I think we know her
story well enough, and if you watch the documentary on
Netflix about her, you can compare, you can really compare

(27:03):
the movie to that and really get your answer.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
And I would like to. I would think too, she
would because of just how how she is and the
kind of person that she is. Like, she's not gonna
let yeah, she's not gonna let you take it too far,
you know, because she wants her it's her story.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
She wants the truth.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
If it's if it's five slaps, don't make it twenty. Yeah,
you know, because I want people to I want this
to be real, right, and and and and again I'm
speculating to death here, Okay, but I think just knowing
who she is, having that one opportunity to have her

(27:45):
in the studio, I feel like she's about the truth. Yea,
and she she's she's not. There's no real reason to
make it worse than it was.

Speaker 8 (27:56):
It was.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
It was as it was bad enough for her.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Yes, that is it.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
When you show it right, you should. If people can't
feel it, they can't see it, then that's on them.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
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Speaker 4 (28:15):
Not me either. No, No, I think I think she's a.
She's a very genuine person, so I feel like she
probably had a lot of oversight during this filming. So
but but we'll just have to wait and see when
the movie comes out.

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I can you know, as soon as as soon as
I come out of the studio, I'm calling.

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Yeah, I know for sure we're going to be like.

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I'm calling you and said, hey, have you already seen it?
And I'm going to rush you together on this weekend?

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So ironed out. I mean sometime this weekend I'll be
in a theater watching this movie, so I.

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Speaker 3 (30:22):
All Right, ladies and gentlemen, we are we are back.
And one of one of the sports that I I
hate to hate them said that I was afraid to play.
Oh my goodness, I would love to play golf. But
I'm always there. I'm always here to play golf. I

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might be. But baseball, yeah, you know, and we haven't
talked a lot about baseball, but we have to. We
have to.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
Yeah, the World Series, the World Series? Can we can?
We hear the clip.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Here's z O two pitch bounce as well, knocked the
head up bits to the back over the past.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
To beat the champ, you gotta knock him out.

Speaker 9 (31:09):
The Dodgers stand tall and went back to back titles.

(31:50):
Clayton Kershaw's major league career ends as he watches his
team win a Game seven epic. It didn't look like
they had any shot in this one until the very end,
but an unsung hero, a most unlikely hero, Mcguel Rojas

(32:10):
tied the game with a home run. With all the
focus on the man that was on deck Sho hey
o Tani, it was Rojas who delivered the shock, and
then it was Will Smith, who delivered the game winning
home run in the top of the eleventh Inna and
Yoshi Nobu Yamamoto, legendary stuff, wins three games in this

(32:33):
World Series, a complete game in game two. His team
faces elimination in game six, and then, like Grandy Johnson,
like Brover Cleveland, Alexander, like some of the all time greats,
Yoshi Nobu Yamamoto finishes off Game seven.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Unbelievable. That's just the only word I can say. Unbelievable.
People who have pitched, they will appreciate that more than
anybody else. Five to four end Game seven, Game seven.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
I know, right, all right, did you stay up for
any of these games, charl I'm gonna be honest disclaimer,
I did not. I mean I went to bed and
left my husband on the couch like he was, like,
he's a big baseball person.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
But though, but oh, we should have had him in
for this time.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
I know, right, oh, he would have loved it. But yeah,
but you know what, I wanted to say this really
quick before we start this conversation that people are calling
this one of the if not one of the top
five game seven's in World Series history, and there's only
been like I think forty forty one, and they're saying

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this is in the top five of this forty one
going back to the very beginning of baseball. That's how
exciting this game was.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
And I heard eleven innings right, yes, yes, now help me? Well, okay,
I mean, I mean that's like how many overtimes in football?

Speaker 4 (34:03):
You know, say, did you really just say that?

Speaker 3 (34:06):
I'm just making the case, like truly like it, like
you like you'd have to have like five overtimes or
something in football too.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
Base ignorance is showing.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
But go ahead, I'm making a comparison, that's all.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
Well, I mean, so I didn't watch the game. I'm
gonna sit here and be honest. I watched maybe the
first Let me.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
This it just so I can clarify my ignorant tho. Okay,
how many times has has teams gone to eleven innings?
And and specifically in the World.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
Series, I am not sure about that. I do know
in this World Series they had an eighteen inning game
in Game three of this series. So this was just
like it was. It was probably one of the best
World Series ever for somebody to watch.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
And and you know, eighty yeah, if you're a baseball fan.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
If you're a baseball fan, it was just truly phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
And you're talking about now, you're talking about two truly,
truly top teams that were Yeah, the competition was crazy. Right.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
Well, and let's throw this in there, because I didn't
realize this until just the other day, but they also
have the best payrolls in Major League Baseball. Okay, well, hey,
so the biggest payroll in Major League Baseball for twenty
twenty five is the Mets. Okay, they're number one, but
they're only slightly above the Dodgers. I think the Mets

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had three three hundred and twenty three point one million
to play with, and the Dodgers had three hundred and
twenty one point three million, So that's one and two.
The Blue Jays came in at five. But listen to this,
their money is two hundred and fifty five million. So
that to me, that's a that's a significant drop drop.
I mean, I know we're talking about millions here, yeah,

(35:56):
but I mean, to me, there there's a reason why
they were both in the World Series. You know, lots
of money to play with.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Are we buying championships?

Speaker 4 (36:09):
I mean, I don't know if I'd go that far.
But I mean, I think it matters how much money
you have on your payroll absolutely to get Yeah, I
mean that just goes hand in hand.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
And I know that. I know that pictures are important.
I know hitters are important with that type of money.
Are you getting the best pictures? Are you getting the
best hitters?

Speaker 4 (36:30):
You're the Dodgers. Yeah, they're starters, they're pitching all of it.
Yeah they're they're okay, they're okay.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Now okay, can you keep them?

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Well, I mean as long as you pay them and
and and and.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
But okay, so let's say I'm another team. I want
I want to come. I want to I want I
need that picture. Yeah, I need that third basement. I
need that guy. I'm not sure are they There's nothing
like football and basketball.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
I don't know the rules, like, I don't know the contracts,
like how they work, like people just come in and
buy out your contract.

Speaker 8 (37:06):
I do. Do you know?

Speaker 4 (37:07):
They don't have like a cap obviously, so you know
how it works the end. But here's the thing. If
you're if you're just think about what you just said.
You're getting paid, right, a lot of money, okay, and
you're on a World Series championship team. What more would
you want? Like, why would you go somewhere else?

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Gosh?

Speaker 10 (37:28):
I think I think that there's much I think that
shows up in basketball. I think those guys, yeah, but
I think baseball's different. I would agree, I mean, I
would agree, I think, and I could be dead wrong.
And like I said, I am not a baseball guy. Yeah, okay,
but it seems to me baseball players are way more

(37:54):
loyal to their team and their teammates in potentially any
any other sport, or specifically football and basketball.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
That's a good observation. I didn't think about that. I'm
you don't hear about the trades in baseball like you
do the other sports, for sure, and every once in
a while, but not often.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
And okay, so am I require is the player requiring
the how many times? Not that you're just not really
asking you this question? But like, am I asking for
a trade? Am I asking to go to another team?
Or is the team saying we need to part ways
with that money? You know? Yeah? Because that's all the

(38:35):
other two. Yeah, in the other two, in our other
two sports, football and basketball, I can be making plenty,
plenty of money, but I want to go somewhere else
for the possibility of winning a championship, for the possibility
to getting more money, or the possibility of playing with you.
Any any of those reasons is justifiable for me. In

(38:57):
the other two sports, I don't know if baseball is
like that. I think you're on a team and you
stay there.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
Why is that, you think? Is it just a whole
different mentality I do.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
I think they.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
I think when you they bond closer. I mean the players,
the coaches.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
I mean, I think when you, let's say you you
you get drafted to the Cincinnati Reds, Okay, you're a
Cincinnati Red Yeah, and I'm here. This is where I
wanted to be, right, I'm staying here until, you know,
unless there's issues with contracts or something like that.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
For the most part, there's so many story teams in
baseball because it's an older sport. I think, like the
Red Sox, I mean, you hear about you know, these
are teams that have been around. I mean, the Dodgers,
the Mets, the Yankees. I mean, if you're a Yankee,
you you that's pretty amazing.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Like you don't have to know anything about you don't
have to know anything about baseball. But there are teams
that you just know.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
Yeah, you just say their name the mascot and they're like, okay,
you are.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
And I think, and I think that what is what is?
What is different? Specifically in football. I'm happy to have
been a Viking all but one year, and I would
have closed my career out with the Vikings if they
hadn't cut me. So you had loyalty, yes I had, Yes, Yes,

(40:35):
I don't do anything with the Saints. No, you know,
I got some buddies there, but I just I don't
go back there. I don't do any of that. I
want to be known. I want everything about my football
career is all about being a Viking. I don't want
I have.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
A theory about that. Oh okay. I think because of
this generation, starting with the transfers that can happen from
high school on that that the athletes don't develop a
sense of loyalty to a team because it's just it's
not something well, they're just not pot like, like you don't.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Have that to give you that. Gosh, I hate, I
hate to do that, but I'm gonna give you. I'm
going to give you that.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
My goodness, Hollis Hollis, if you're listening, did you hear that.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
I'm gonna have to give you that because it's not
the same. It's not, it's not.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
I mean, you went to South Charleston High School, right,
You never thought about transferring out of that high school.
That wasn't even an option if you had fearce loyalty
to your high school. Still do went to Marshall, right,
stayed at Marshall your whole career dedicated to the Thundering Herds.
Still still is right at your school. And then you
went to the Viking's basically, and the.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Only team that's on the outside of that is the Saints, which, again,
that was your last that was my last season. Yeah,
I mean, you know, and again I was I wanted
to I wanted to play one more year and that
was the only place I had the opportunity to play.

(42:16):
But again, like like I just don't I can't imagine
like midway through my sophomore season at South Charleston thinking like,
you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna go I'm going to
play at Charleston High They're good. I'm going to go
play for them. You know, I'm gonna transfer.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
First of all. You couldn't.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Yeah, you couldn't, but but I wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
Even you wouldn't even think about even if you could have.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
You hated the teams that beat you.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
There were they were rivalries, and so you which Hollis
would be proud of this conversation because he said that.
I mean, that's what's losing now.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Yes it is. It is like I don't want to
come play with you because you're good, right, I want
to beat you because you're good. Yes, So I want
to come at you if if you're you're a freshman
and I'm a freshman and we're playing football.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
Yeah, I want to think about the team. You're not
just thinking about yourself.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
No, No, I don't even know how as a Viking
hating the Bears, how could I play for them?

Speaker 4 (43:23):
I thought you would say the Packers, Well with you.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
I should have said the Packers. You're right, you know,
I'm off my I'm off my game today, because that
would have been so let me back up, let me
go back, let me go back. I would not want
to play for the Packers, I know, right, I just
I just wouldn't. I got a buddy who plays on
the pack I know, and I wouldn't don't. I don't

(43:48):
want to play with him. I want to play against him.
I can play with him quote in the Pro Bowl, right,
you know, and I can meet him and all that
kind of stuff. There's a there's a ton of guys
that I truly, truly, really really like Andre Risen, Andre Reid.
Those are guys I know, like I know know them right.

Speaker 4 (44:08):
That's a mentality though, And I know.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
I'm gonna play against them almost every year, and so
they know. They look on the schedule, they see the vikings,
they know, yeah, and we know we're gonna compete. We
know we're gonna do anything and everything that we possibly
can to to for them to scores, catch passes on me,
me to stop them. But you know what, as soon

(44:31):
as the game's over, we'll be at the fifty yard
line and we'll be laughing and joking and talking about
like what's.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
Going on, how you've been d Which is the way
it should that, That's.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
The way sports is supposed to be.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
Right, right and all and again, So why do you
think that is though with baseball, because it seems like
they've kind of escaped that in a.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Way they how did they do that?

Speaker 4 (44:54):
Just the story.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
And I think that, I think the reality of going
to the Cincinnati Reds. You're part of this and for
everybody who already on that team, they show you, they
make you understand how historic this is, right, how important

(45:16):
this is. Now. You may get cut, you may get traded,
you may get any of those kinds of things happen, right,
those things happen, But you didn't choose. But you're not
choosing that your choices. Your choice is here.

Speaker 4 (45:29):
And maybe, and maybe we're totally off base since we're
not real baseball experts. Maybe, and that's something maybe on
your Facebook, if people have a differing opinion of what
we're saying here, they should definitely jump on and let
us know.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Yeah, let's talk with Carly and hit me up, tell
me if I'm wrong or whatever.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
We want to hear it. Yeah, But I mean, I'm
like you, I don't for some reason, And I don't know,
but you just don't hear about the trades, the cuts,
all of that in baseball unless it's a major name,
you know, and they got a major deal. But you
just don't hear about it as much as you do
in football world.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Yes, and and and and and I really think basketball,
I think basketball has really the worst they and they
just go from team to team like they're they're they're
ready to leave. And again, I don't even know if
it's leaving for money. I think it's just you know,

(46:29):
you look at Lebron and and you know people have
talked about him leaving to win championships. Right. You know
why what back in the day you built a championship
You didn't. You didn't You didn't be a free agent
and go to a championship team. You built a championship team.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
Brought surrounding your players that that could that could get
the you could get the job done.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
That Where did that go?

Speaker 4 (46:59):
I'm telling you? And we always end up back on
this subject, but it's just so true. Just it's so impactful.
I mean, you think about what the transfer portal has
done to athletes. It just it's starting at a young age.
And I'm I mean, I'm not saying it's I don't

(47:19):
know what I'm saying, but I do think that it's
affected how players think about the sport that they play
in and how they will approach where they want to
play and who they want to play with. Because they
have they have a lot of choices, They have a
lot of free range. They pretty much are in control
of what they're going.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
To do if to the parents. And I think I've
done this every time that we get on this subject.
Sports was meant not to necessarily play D one or
go to the NFL or NBA. Sports was really about

(48:00):
life lessons and understanding teamwork and all of those kinds
of things.

Speaker 4 (48:06):
It's a good time to restate that, yes, your.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
Child could very well be one of the best players
on a team and that team is not winning, right,
your child is going to learn way more staying there
right and building up his team, which is teamwork. Sure,

(48:32):
then saying my team is terrible, we don't have anybody
that can help my son play. We're going to go
somewhere else, right, And because if.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
You're good enough to make it to the next level,
it doesn't matter where you are, They're gonna find you.
They're going to find you.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
I'm telling you, and I'm I'm going to say it again.
I have never won a championship in junior high you sports,
junior high, high.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
School or college, and you made it and I made
it right.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Don't tell me that they can't find you. I had
literally scouts from every team position, coaches from almost every
team coming to see me at Marshall. That's not bragging,
that's telling you that you don't have to win. Winning
is not the key. It is the work ethic that

(49:29):
you have to build you into something that the next level,
whatever that level is, is looking for you, going from
high school to high school, to high school to high
school to do what well.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
Sometimes does that even backfire in the in the eyes
of an agent because they're looking at that player thinking, okay,
they have no sense of like dedication, They don't have
a sense of being able to take the heat when
it comes on, and you're going to be taking the
heat when you go to these different levels of collegiate

(50:02):
or or or you know, professional play. You know you're
gonna have to be able to endure losing and being
able to get better at things without just jumping ship
because you know, does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Yes, yes it does. If if you can't handle adversity,
which is right, which is part of being losing and
being able to show back up next week and play
exactly as hard as you've played. If you can't do that,
what makes you think that you're going to be able
to go to a team that's winning and you're able

(50:38):
to work hard enough to get into the lineup. They
don't want you because the moment that you have a
bad game, a team's beating you and you are not
used to losing, you're you're punching out.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
And that and that's not what they want. No, that's
not what they want to say at that.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
They don't, they don't, they don't want. They don't want
that kind of person. And everybody, everybody says they want
to go D one. Everybody says they want to go
D one. Sure, Okay, what do you expect when you
get to a basketball team that's D one? What do

(51:17):
you expect to go to a football team that's a
D one program? Do you think that there's going to
be just a bunch of average players there?

Speaker 4 (51:27):
Yeah, that's or it's going to be an easy like transition,
Like it's not that way.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
I'm going to start as a freshman. Yeah, no, you're not.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
No, I don't care where you go.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
It's how that happen.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
It doesn't matter where you go. I mean, unless you're
an exceptional freshman or something circumstances put you in that position.
Somebody gets hurt. You're not doing it, You're not.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Virginia Tech recruited me system. Yes, Virginia Tech recruited me
all the way up till actual time to start making
a decision. And they said they take me as a
walk on. Okay, Well, I got no money to go,
so that I go. I visited Marshall twice and the
second time when I went back, it was with Sonny
Randall and just him and and he had played in

(52:12):
the NFL, so that that was enough for me. Yeah,
that a gentleman who played for the NFL played receiver.
I'm a defensive back. He's going to be here. I'm
this is where I'm going.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
At that point, he could develop your talent.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
He was going to be able to tell me whether
or not he thought I could make it. Yeah. Now
Virginia Tech had cut me out, so I didn't have
anywhere else to go. I mean, I had some fair
I had fair mind. I had some some smaller, smaller schools.
Marshall was the biggest school that offered me at the end,
at the end of the road with and and it
was a losing team.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
Yeah, I chose to go there. And you still made it,
I know, And probably. Like like you said, in the
long run, it was better for you there because you
had an ex NFL player that could give you, you know,
advice on what you're doing right.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
At the end of every season, he told me the
first three seasons, I'm a I'm the freshman player of
the game. A week or season he tells me, I
have no chance to playing at the NFL. After the team,
after you know, you have your coach player meeting. He
told me that for three years.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
Because he wanted to make you better, to stop working. Yeah, yeah,
I love him for that. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
And I hated him when I walked out. What is
he talking about? I got this award, I got this head.
He would never let it, he would never sign.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
That's the sign of a good coach.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
And you made the right decision by far.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
And I and I and and again. I'm telling you
when you start talking about thinking about going toge or
thinking about where you're going to play high school ball,
which is it shouldn't be a situation. You better be
able to handle whatever negativity that you think that you
shouldn't go to your your normals. Let's say you you

(54:15):
you live in South Tustan, you don't want to go
South aust because you got an issue with the coach.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
All those you got to be able to handle the adversity.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
That's the adversity, that part that you got to go.

Speaker 4 (54:26):
That's the school you're supposed to have criticism. I mean,
that's the thing. You don't just jump ship because that
coach is trying to make you better, just like thank you.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Yeah, I mean that's it. Think about it, parents, think
about it. What is happening when they're cussing your kid out.
They're cussing him out because they want to they want
to win, and they want your kid to be better.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
Right, you know, bottom line it's it's it's not that
they're being mean, no, no, and.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Your kid can get better. But when you when you
when you when you get the football season, when you
get the basketball season, you get the baseball season, think
about how much work you put in prior to yeah,
the season.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
Right, it's not about just the game.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Yeah, because a lot of times you just waiting for
football to show up. You're just waiting for basketball to
show up. You're just waiting for baseball to show up.
And you're gonna come out there and think like Okay,
I'm gonna be great. You might be great here, right,
but that's not gonna work. Maybe for a Division one team,
but there's a Division.

Speaker 4 (55:32):
Two especially if you don't if you can't take the heat, if.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
You can't take the heat, and you ain't putting any time.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
In right, right, how did we get away from the
World Series?

Speaker 3 (55:41):
It is?

Speaker 4 (55:44):
Oh, you could always blame me. I don't really care you.
Oh my goodness, that's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
But you know, I don't know. Again, I don't even
know how we got there either.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
Oh no, because we were basically saying we feel like
and we talked about the World Series, which was amazing,
and the money and uh and how we feel like
baseball players seem to have.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
More loyalty because you brought that.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
Yeah, well it just seems that way.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
So yeah, it is. It does have. It does have
the loyalty that I think the other sports don't have.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
Well, let me ask you this question because I don't
I know, we don't have much time left. But and
the audience is probably like, thank thank thank you, thank you. No,
how do they how do these teams generate this kind
of revenue to pay for these players? And I mean,
they don't have a salary cat where where's the money
coming from? That's what I'm that's a legitimate question for me,
and I like I said, come to the Facebook page

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if you have answers, But where's it coming from?

Speaker 3 (56:42):
I think in every sport it is TV revenue. I
think that much. I think TV revenue. TV revenue is
huge today.

Speaker 4 (56:52):
So between you're talking like between three just three teams.
You're talking about three hundred and twenty three I'm not
doing the math. Three hundred twenty one million, two hundred
fifty five million, that's just three teams.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Yes, and again I think you got TV revenue, which
is out of the park. You have, you have home games.

Speaker 4 (57:15):
I know the fans. I can't imagine what you pay
at a baseball game for refreshments and tickets.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
I think, I think there's there's just so much. There's
so many small things that that we we we ignore,
we ignore, Like when they talk about how many people
in the stands they all paid, they all paid. Yeah,
and you know that as you when you go to
WVU games, you know, yeah, well.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
Yeah, but but yeah, I mean professional games are definitely
more expensive. I mean my girlfriend and I when we
went to the Pittsburgh game just a couple of weeks
ago or last weekend. Actually it feels like a couple
of weeks.

Speaker 7 (57:51):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
It was unbelievable what we paid for, like a coke
and a hot dog. I mean it was it was
out of this world?

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Can can you can you tell me?

Speaker 4 (57:58):
Like, oh, okay, Like I think that the drink was
like ten dollars and the hot dog was like fifteen?

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 4 (58:07):
No, I'm not joking. And the tickets, I mean, well,
we ended up getting like club level seats because it
was cold and we wanted we only do this once
like every three or four years. Our seats, which were
actually some of the cheapest. We talked to people that
were sitting around us. We got them on step up.
Our seats were four hundred and twelve dollars apiece.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
I don't have. There's not a sport that I know
of that I would pay four hundred dollars to get into.

Speaker 4 (58:35):
Well, like I said, this was a gool. We had
saved money. I don't want people to think I'm money
bags here. I'm not, but I mean we had saved
money for this trip. So yeah, we And I'm trying
to look up what World Series tickets are.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
We'll we'll be closed out for the show by the
time you find it.

Speaker 4 (58:54):
Okay, it's right here, and then we can close it out.
The cheapest general admission tickets for Game seven in Toronto
started around one four hundred and twenty to one thousand,
five hundred and eighty eight, and average prices reaching over
two thousand, three hundreds.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Who is paying that to see that? How many people
are paying that?

Speaker 4 (59:14):
Some premium seats listed over twenty thousand.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
That's unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (59:19):
Well that's you know, that's your movie stars and you
know people that come from that kind of Yeah, there's
just no way. There's just no way the average person
is going to that game. No, no, And how could
you go to more than more than one? Like I said,
my girlfriend and I went to this game, and I
couldn't go to another pro game this year. I mean,

(59:41):
that's it for me, Like I can't be I imagine
I havn't season tickets for these games, and once again
we're down another rabbit hole. But I mean, I'm just saying,
like the money that the revenue generated by professional sports,
all professional sports, just it's just mind blowing.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
It really is well. We were everywhere we got every week.
We covered a whole bunch of stuff today. We didn't
have Hollins Lewis with us today, but hopefully he'll be
back next week and we do miss just on track.
He does do that well. Lisa, I appreciate you coming in,

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next week.

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