October 24, 2025 • 60 mins
Carl, Lisa, and Producer Matt discuss the big gambling bust this week that is rattling the NBA, and the way gambling has become so intertwined with professional sports all across the board. Then, he discussion turns to Vikings former players and the bigger issue of the long-term medical needs of former players as the league was literally built on the play of such people. Plus, Lisa heads to the Iron City to see the Packers take on the Steelers.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 4 (00:54):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, This is Carl Lee with Let's Talk.
And uh, we're in the building and and my co
host Lisa Odie is available for us today and uh,
unfortunately Hollis is unable to make it today.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Yes, and.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
We've got some interesting, interesting topics.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
And it's an interesting day, is well.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yes, the world of sports. Yes, yes, it really has
that way. And let's let's talk.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
We'll open up with the with the whole gambling thing, okay,
and the bout drop to that to me.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Let's do this. Let's say this, this is even better
before you get into it. Let's play the clip. That's
the director who did the whole thing. So go ahead, Okay.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
Today we're here in New York to announce historic arrests
across a wide, sweeping criminal enterprise that envelops both the
NBA and La Cosa Nostra. Individuals such as Chauncey Billups,
Damon Jones, and Terry Rozier were taking into today former
current NBA players and coaches. This is an illegal gambling
operation and sports rigging operation that spanned.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
The course of years.
Speaker 6 (02:08):
The FBI led a coordinative takedown across eleven states to
arrest over thirty individuals today responsible for this case, which
is very much ongoing. We also entered and executed a
system of justice against La Casinosha to include the Bonano, Gambino,
Genevesi and Luchas crime families. The chargers and the arrests
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that were taken down across this country range from wire fraud,
money laundering, extortion, robbery, illegal gambling. We're talking about tens
of millions of dollars in.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Fraud and theft and robbery.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
Across a multi year investigation, they perpetrated a fraud that
is historic in terms of not just money, but the
scheme and the deceit that they utilize to steal and
swindle people for money.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Wow. I mean, I don't know about about you guys,
but I felt like I was like in the middle
of of a Godfather movie or maybe when they started
naming all these crime families that were involved, I was like,
this is like Good Fellows flashbacks. I mean, come on, Carl,
and it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Well, let me And what I can't really what I
can't really fathom is what how did you get connected
to that? You know, like, if I'm a player, like,
how am I getting connected? Somebody's coming to me and
asking me, are you willing to do this? Okay, but
I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna kind of speak negative
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too from the NFL standpoint, okay, and really from all
sports who promote gambling that their commercials are gambling and
you're gonna and you're gonna tell.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Players you can't gamble.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Okay, And now Back in the day, I didn't have
enough money that I was gonna gamble.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
It wasn't worded. I woke. I couldn't afford to lose.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Today these guys got billions of dollars to where they
can they can do this, you know, And and.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
That invites a question for me. If you have that
much money, why would you risk all of that, even
you know, the thoughts of possibly going to prison for
who knows how long. You don't mess with peoples. You
don't mess with the FBI and their money, and the
irs and their money. I don't understand what possesses you
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to even risk for the little bit that they would
make in these schemes, I would think.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And and to your point of.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
The amount being little, even if they were to to
let's say one night, one week, they might make let's
say one hundred thousand dollars, right you know now.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
That that has me in line maybe like how do
I get in that line?
Speaker 4 (04:59):
But on the other side of it, these dudes should
and have made millions of dollars, So why would you
risk your freedom and your reputation.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Your reputation exactly, your legacy.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
You're your whole legacy. I mean it makes no sense
to me.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
No, no, But I asked this question with no one
in I don't think we're going to be able to
really answer it, but we can maybe comment about what
the possibility is. Where do you meet that guy? Like,
where do you meet that that particular guy. Where's he at?
He's not at He's not at the practice facility.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Well now you just said this though, Carl. You said,
now that you've got all of sports in bed with
with gambling platforms, Well, you know that that just comes
with it, That comes with the territory. These people are
going to be more available. They're there to to put
their their platforms, and along with the ones that are
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you know, I don't know how you can say clean gambling,
but clean betting, you've also got the shady guys that
come along with it.
Speaker 7 (06:10):
I think some of it has to do with the
way that the spectator experience has been upgraded over the years.
This was a topic we had on Metronie's Hotline with
Dave Weekly last week. I was talking about the Cleveland Cavaliers.
They're going to come up with this club that is
only open to one hundred people, and it's something like
fifty or sixty thousand dollars to be a part of it.
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But you're going to get all these benefits to go
and see the game and be in the suites and
stuff and do all that stuff. And I guarantee part
of that is going to be meeting the players at
some point. Sure, if you've got the money to afford
that in.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
The first place, there's your connection.
Speaker 7 (06:48):
They're going to be in there, and then you're going
to meet those players and you know where it counts out.
It's just a little conversation turns into a hey, we
all got a money proposition for you, exactly.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
And when you're a retired player and you hear something
like that, you're you're you're.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Going to be interested. Sure, you know, like even like.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
To me getting connected to the gentleman his name is
Buddy Becker, who is a guy who we do autograph
stuff with. And we'll talk maybe a little bit more
about that later. But if he were to come to
me and say, hey, would you be interested in you know,
giving me your view of what you think the scores
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could be to this game that game, and I'm going
to I'm gonna I'm gonna go out there and and
and place a bet. So let's say I do that
and he comes back and he says, hey, man, we won.
You know, we might want to just do this again.
So now all of a sudden, I'm I'm the guy
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he's coming to, sure, you know, to talk to about
what the potential scores and differences would be and how
he should be betting. When how long is that going
to take for me to be betting on my own?
Speaker 8 (08:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (08:06):
See, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
At some point, I bet I'm like thinking I got
to be able to do this on my own.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Yeah. And just like Matt said that, they're finding ways,
creative ways to get to these players and and and
a lot of times innocently, when you create these clubs
and things to to you know, to let fans get
a you know, better, you know experience at a game,
then then the bad can can slip through the through
the cracks and get in there to those players. And
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so so I wanted to talk a little bit before we,
you know, get any further about the type of problems
or the type of things that they were doing that
got them in this position. Of course, that the three
main people that they focused on today were Miami Heat,
guard Terry Rozier, and he was taken into custody in Orlando.
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He was accused of telling members of a betting ring
that he would leave a game early and allow them
to wager on his prop bets with the knowledge he
would not rack up stats. Now, for me, I had
to look up prop bets because I am.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Not a season don't.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
I don't know gambling knees, right, So basically a prop
bet carl is is short for proposition bets, And what
it means is it's not so much win loss, like
you bet on a team to win or you bet
on a team to lose. It's more like betting on
like what he did. Like you might say, this quarterback
is gonna have this much yardage in this game. You
can bet on that, right, you can bet on who's gonna,
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you know, throw the first touchdown. You know who's gonna
are they gonna go into overtime. It's more the circumstances
of the game rather than the victory or the loss.
So for these players to do things like let these
gambling rings know, hey, I'm leaving, think about the money
that they can generate, you know, with these people making
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prop bets about oh, his stats are going to be
like this this game when he leaves early. Well, there's
no way he's gonna make that stat. So that was
his problem. And then what blew my mind was with
the other to the Trailblazers head coach Chauncey Billups and
coach Damon Jones. Uh he was a ex Cleveland Cavaliers
assistant coach. Their charges listen to this were related to
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sports betting, poker games, poker games that were rigged, And
if you dig deep into all these allegations, it will
blow your mind how the money that they must have
made and these people helped what is that I mean,
like I mean poker machines, Like I mean, this is
part of the allegations against all of these crime families,
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Like there's rig technology in casinos, Like it goes deeper
than just the NBA. This part of it, the prop
best They.
Speaker 7 (10:44):
Were talking about how there was even like barcodes on
cards at the poker table.
Speaker 8 (10:49):
You can zoom in and.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
See that they had, Like yeah, an extortion. Extortion was
another piece of it, which is that's an ugly you know,
that's got to be an ugly fault. Who knows what,
But but it's it's just so deep and and and
they've arrested I think like thirty four people so far.
But I guarantee you there's more to this is gonna
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and it may it may transcend the NBA, it may
go to other sports. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Okay, So all of these terms and all that kind
of stuff, which which I have no working knowledge.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Of, what until one.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
And and what what? What amazes me about that? How
do you? How do you do that? Why would you
want to do that.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
With a game that you played with I'm assuming with
some integrity, some goal setting of what you wanted to do,
what you wanted to be. And let's assume that I
did all that, and I'm I'm that thing that I
wanted to be.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
And my next my next step is going into gambling.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
I lose all of that. I'm risking all of that career,
all of that legacy for money that do I really
need it? Does any one of those guys really even
need it?
Speaker 5 (12:15):
And and no they don't. You're right you're doing. But
here's the thing. If they're capable, if these families are capable,
I mean these are crime families, Yes, if they're capable
of extortion. They may have given and I hate to
say this because it's kind of cliche, but they may
have given them offers they couldn't refuse. You know what
I'm saying, like, you know, you need you need to
do this, you need to do that, because this could
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be the consequence. I'm not saying that that's the truth.
That's my own theory.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
But I think it is the sport.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
Of it too, as someone who is very minded in
the mindset of being competitive and winning and winning. Yeah,
I think it just you take it from the game
and you just move it to money. I think it's
the same kind of addiction to winning, but just in
a different.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Realm, different forms.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
And I think you're right because I I've heard players
talk about this or that, whatever thing that they're in
that what they like about it is it's competitive. You
know that, you know, And because the competitive side to
a player, I think is is it becomes everything to
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you now fortunately or unfortunately however you want to look
at it. For me, I love to play golf. I'm
not very good at it. I can I can accept
losing in that because I'm not very good.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
At it, we know, So.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Just apply your w C hs.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
But you know, like, I don't.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Know if I'm so competitive to the to the to
a degree that I would risk take that chance of
the integrity of whatever integrity that I have on my name,
whatever notoriety that I have in my name, Like, why
would I risk that?
Speaker 5 (14:11):
But during your time, it was taboo, and that you've
got that mindset.
Speaker 7 (14:17):
Maybe in the NFL, but Pete Rose, Yeah, it was
banned in nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Yeah, and it was it was. Yeah, it was taboo.
That's what I'm saying. You could not do any sports betting,
and now you couldn't. But it went on, well it
went on. But what I'm saying is it wasn't something
that they would let slide it that way. Okay, sure,
because now we've got ESPN in bed with DraftKings or whoever,
and they.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I think it's a problem.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Listen today, I had and this is no lie. I
had ESPN on. They broke the story or you know,
they it's been on a cycle all day, but they
tell the story about what this whole you know, this
sports gambling thing going on. And then the very next
segment they go to their sports betting uh segment, and
they're talking about Well, this is a sure bet, and
I'm saying, are you kidding me? Somebody's producer needs to
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answer for that, Like I think I would have put
that a little further away from the story.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Bet. Okay, well let me and let me ask this question.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Okay, So one, you bring on NBA players, You bring
on all these star players to be host, co host
and guests and all of that.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
And you're tying them into.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Something that is basically whether they're former players or what
you're you're you're adding on to something that could be
detrimental to them. So how can I go to ESPN
and be on the show and all they're talking about
is gambling?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I know?
Speaker 8 (15:48):
Well, I mean, come on, that's their job this industry.
Speaker 7 (15:52):
I mean, you get these national buys from ad agencies,
and you know, so long as the ads are within
the ambling laws of the state that they're airing, you know,
they've paid for.
Speaker 8 (16:03):
It, so we have to air it.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
Same thing with programming, you can it's like ESPN program
or even like a local station here. You you sell
what's called like a benchmark and they'll be like a
certain segment within a show, and then you go out
and you find a sponsor. Same thing as how your
podcasting sponsors you can sponsor their segments.
Speaker 8 (16:22):
So you get these draft kings and that MGM and
all that.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
It's not a good look though, I mean, it's them
all of the money now, I mean, it doesn't shock me.
I mean we we've talked about this on the show before,
but not we never dreamed that this would break to
this extent.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
To where yes, we get actually save Yeah, this is
the NBA and these folks are likely.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
To go to jail. Oh yeah, I mean and they're
notable people.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
They're they're facing charges. Yes, there they're and and they've
both been placed on leave. But we know where that
and of course, let let's look at how this affects
the NBA. Let's have that conversation, because we know, of you,
ship has not been great the past what ten years,
has been on a decline. It really has. You guys
can disagree with me, you're right, and so the NBA
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that I can't you know, I'm going to paraphrase what
their statement was about the whole the whole situation, but
they said they're reviewing the whole situation, cooperating with the FBI,
UH and they want their top priority is the integrity
of the game. Why I think that ship's ship's kind
of sailed right now. I don't know how you I
don't know if they can repair this, especially if it
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goes deeper than what we what we're seeing right now.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Well, it would be almost like you know, like the
maybe like a steroid.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Issue or a drug issue or whatever it happens.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
You you you, somebody gets caught doing whatever, right, they're
caught red handed, so everybody's talking about them. All that
the league or the organization wants to do is basically
kind of separate themselves from that person and.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Say, so Lisa was doing that.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Really, I know she was a player, but she's doing
that on her own. And we want to be over
here and we're going to start, uh putting some commercials
on that is going to be anti this, antie that,
and that's the whole so we can get so we
can kind of get ourselves a fresh slate.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
No, you can't get it.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I don't think you can get it.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
There's because teams they implicated, right there are four teams
that they said probably had more ties and those were
the nuggets. No, No, I'm sorry the Hornets, the Raptors,
Trailblazers of course their head coach, and then the Lakers.
Who Lakers are on that list. It's a short list.
Speaker 8 (18:54):
That's where your biggest money is in the league.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Yeah, but I mean that that kind of raises eyebrows, right,
I mean, that's right, that's money.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
I like the way you described it though, as kind
of like a drug issue, because in a way, I
mean it's sort of that same.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
People get a thing.
Speaker 8 (19:08):
Yeah, the thing I think you're going to have.
Speaker 7 (19:10):
I think the league, if they want to maintain any
sense of the game, there's going to have to be expulsions. Oh,
we're gonna have to say, okay, you know, if you
indictments are one thing that if they're proven guilty, right,
you've got to say you no longer have a place
in the NBA as a coach, as a player.
Speaker 8 (19:31):
You're out, You're done. That's it.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
I'm going to counterpoint what you just said about the addiction.
I know that, Yeah, some of the athletes actually have
problems with making bets. That that's part of a gambling addiction.
We're talking about someone that lets these gambling you know,
groups or whatever you want to call families, the crime
families know when they're leaving a game or know that
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this is going to happen, that that's not an addiction.
That is that's just kind of shady my book.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Like, that's that's making money.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
That's making money.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
That's that's right, making money.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
That's outside of like a gambling problem, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I don't know, so I would, I would think so.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
And that's why I go back to my point about
maybe these crime family I mean, it all come out.
It's gonna come out eventually, and I think there's gonna
be way more coming out in the future. But I
mean I think that maybe some of these crime families
may have put some pressure. They may have had some
dirt on some of these players you don't know, and said, hey,
you need to cooperate with us.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
And I mean, if we if we've seen anything in
the news this year, it's that there have been some
really crazy parties with celebrities.
Speaker 8 (20:38):
That have been going on for a while.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
Amen.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
That's that's really really and they could have that they
could create a great point.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Hanging over somebody's heads.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yes, yes, because you know, when you when you get
connected with somebody you know and like I said, you know,
I'm connected.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
With a guy who helps me, helps me make money.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Signing autographs and all that kind of stuff. So somebody
else says, well, you know what I got, I got
a better way. You know, if you just do this
or do that, Yeah, I can double that money for
you and guarantee guarantee that you can that you can
make it.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
What's my first thing? What is it? Now?
Speaker 4 (21:17):
The question then becomes when he says it, and I
can and I can see that there's something wrong with it.
If I accept it, I'm I'm accountable. I'm I'm I'm
straight up accountable. I should have to turn I should
be smart enough to turn that away because I know
if there's any chance of getting caught, I don't want it.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
I just don't want it. It's it's just it's too
it's it's too much. Man, it's thirty Yeah it is.
Speaker 7 (21:49):
And here's here's the thing too, it's even over the decades,
it's a very small pool of people, so there's going
to be connections everywhere. There's only been about five thousand
players in the NBA since its inception, the NFL only
twenty five thousand. That's over the whole entire length of
the NFL, there's only twenty five thousand players.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
That's crazy because you'd think more.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
Well you would, man, you know, that does make you
realize real quick. You know, you've got a connection to
one guy who's probably got a connection to somebody who's
got the I mean, it's not that far of a
separation between you and this.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
If I can get you, then I can get Lisa. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
In my mind, the guy who's talking to me about, hey,
you know these people, you know, some certain people that
you can maybe bring into it with. And I'm like thinking, well, yeah,
I do. I've got a couple right there at the station.
You know, I can probably talk to them. Next thing,
you know, you're thinking, well, who do I know? Lisa's
thinking about who do I know?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
So that's why I think this list will grow. I
don't think this is the end of it, and I
think it's going to get uglier, and I think there's
going to be some more recognizable names that come out
that it won't be pretty. I also read and then
I'll we can do whatever. But I also read an
article a lawyer kind of summarized what the allegations of
the FBI, what they their findings were, and basically he
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had three three points and the first point was NBA
players and coachers coaches were a crucial part plural. Did
you hear that coaches and players were a crucial part
of both alleged rings. They were sources of information for
betters who put money on prop bets. They also released
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non public information about who wasn't playing in games. And
like I said, you know, thirty four were arrested, so
that was the other part of it. But it just
blows my mind that it has gotten to this point
and how long the FBI had been actually investigating. This
has been going on for quite some time.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
But who's the thirty four? Who were the third I mean,
what role did they play? And who are they?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
What? What?
Speaker 8 (24:05):
What?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
What's what makes me? What? What? What makes me think?
What comes to my mind?
Speaker 4 (24:11):
If I'm the coach and I'm I'm involved in it,
who else would I want to try to get involved with?
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I would try to I need I'm gonna need my star.
Speaker 7 (24:23):
Okay, So it looks like Chauncey Billips, Terry Rosier, yeah,
Damon Jones were the three inside the NBA and then
the other thirty one defendants include members and associates of
organized crime families, so it's only a few folks from
the lead.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Yes, but see, like, okay, so let's say I'm doing
and Lisa's another Lisa's a friend of mine, and she's
in the league too, and I'm thinking this is a
good deal.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
So at some point I had to have talked to
her about it.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
I don't think I'm gonna keep that as then I'm
going to talk to you about it, or at least
is going to talk to you about it.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Say hey, es, Carl, talk to you about this.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
You know, I just don't know how just from my
inside process of locker room talk, hanging out.
Speaker 9 (25:13):
Talk, association, association with everybody, yes, with everybody that you have,
I just don't see me thinking like I'm going to
hold this to myself because I can make more money
if I the more people I can get under me,
I can make money.
Speaker 7 (25:28):
I personally think in these situations, I feel like more
times than not, people are actually just real out in
the open about it.
Speaker 8 (25:36):
They're not really actually secretive at all.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
That may be true too, well, they've made it to
that it doesn't feel like it's wrong. I mean, like
I said, you can turn on ESPN or whatever, and
and gambling is not it's not shunned. I mean, it's
it's part of every all sports well.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
And I think once you get to that certain level,
you can be a little bit more open because even
though you're being open about it, you're still in a
tight circle. Yes, in the controlled environment because you're in
professional sports. So that I think is going to limit
the exposure to the And again, you know, I think
you can be open in that situation because everyone else
(26:14):
that knows kind of what's going on, they're in it too.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
So Sterling just commented live on our my video for Facebook.
He's not going to call in Sterling, He's just going
to comment. Love you. I'll read what he said.
Speaker 9 (26:27):
Though.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
He said, no, the athletes just made mistakes. Yeah, I
agree with that. Yeah, I mean they are huge mistakes.
But unfortunately their mistakes are going to pay for judgment
poor judgment for sure. And I think the influence, I mean,
like I said, I think that we've we've kind of
just been going down this path of destruction by a
(26:50):
little by little, allowing the gambling platform as becoming part
of the norm of sports. I just feel like that
that was that was the first mistake before the athletes
make mistakes.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
I I you know, I just feel like like you
you are, what would make you, what would make you first,
what would make you start, what would make you even
get into some racket like that? Like why are you
sitting around and trying to figure out, like, well, let
me gamble, Let me gamble, because there's gambling that you
(27:28):
don't that.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
You can do.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
But you you already know you can't gamble on sports.
You already know you're you were in the sport, so
you can't gamble and you can't you can't make those bets.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
I just think they're so inundated with it. I mean
I think that you know, and it's so easy. I
mean it's not like it used to be where you
you had to go out on the street and meet
a person to make a bet or go to the casino.
I mean, you just pick up your phone.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
But you could sign an off, you can sign your name.
You could probably go somewhere and sign your name and
make that kind of money.
Speaker 7 (27:58):
I think people are either a gambler or they're not.
I mean, like for me personally, I'm not a gambler.
I get nothing out of it.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I get nothing out of it either, but I know for.
Speaker 8 (28:06):
Some people there's a thrill in it. And and just.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
Because you can't bet on if you're a professional athlete,
just because you can't bet in sports or in your sport,
I mean you.
Speaker 8 (28:20):
Can still be a gambler.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (28:22):
So, I mean it's it's just.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
If you need to get that fixed, you can get
it somewhere else.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
And I think that it's an easy bridge to cross now,
because like you mentioned, made it so much easier.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
That's everywhere.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Well, tell Sterling, I'm not I'm not. I totally disagree
with him. And if and if he wants it.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
To be, you're fired to meet each other in the
unemployment line.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
We're gonna take a quick break here, but let him know.
We're gonna change the number. And I'm gonna have I'm
gonna force you to change your number. I'll gonna fire you.
We'll be right back, all right, cats a kitten, Sam,
you heard.
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Speaker 2 (30:30):
All right, ladies and gentlemen. All right, so we're gonna
switch subjects.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
And Lisa, this subject is really not a it's not
one that I'm really happy about to.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Discuss.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Really one of the best players that I think I've
ever really seen in my life, and for sure as
a defensive back. His name was Joey Browner. And I
think a lot of people remember the family of the Browners,
who all kind of play maid football and different sports.
(31:05):
I was, I was in Minnesota for the game last weekend,
and I saw some pictures of it. Yeah, and Joey
was like about a six three six' four two thirty
two forty strong safety that can run.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
And could take on a. Lot he was a.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Legend he was like he was he was just he
was so so so, talented.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
And, well CAN i give a little, background just BECAUSE
i know when you mentioned your friend to. Me it
took me a. MINUTE i had to kind of go
back and look, up you know the. THINGS i was.
Shocked and we had this conversation before we came on
the air about why he hasn't been on the ballot
to The hall Of National Football hall Of. Fame but
he was A, vikings like you, said defense back from
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nineteen eighty three to nineteen ninety, one played college FOR
Usc he was selected nineteenth overall in the first round
of the nineteen eighty THREE Nfl, draft and he was
selected to Six Pro Boat? Bowls, carl how? Many how? Many?
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Three he?
Speaker 5 (32:18):
Had? Six? Yes, OH i just want to make sure
you clarified. That and Since i'm fired, anyway he amassd
over eleven hundred total tackles in his career with The,
vikings caused eighteen, fumbles were covered sixteen of, them and
led The vikings in non defensive categories over his. Career
(32:38):
so he is a very, established Storied viking. Player and
it's and it's unbeing nice to me UNTIL i looked it.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Up BUT i was, amazed and maybe for maybe for
a lot of, People but when you start talking About Ronnie,
Lott Kenny, easley some of those you know safeties back
in the.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Day joey.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Came in and became one of those guys during his
erau and and one of the things THAT i can remember,
was you, Know, Joey joey was a really mild mannered
kind of a. Guy and and he he he just
played like he was just a reactor to the. Play we,
(33:24):
changed not, we but The vikings changed how the strong
safety played and made him almost really like a. Linebacker
and you, know he so he'd be covering basically tight
ends and and and people like that more so than
than than wideouts when we'd be playing man the.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Man but he was so amazingly physical THAT.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
I don't even know in today's, Game LIKE i don't
even know if if if he could fit today's.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
GAME i just, yeah he was just two or the.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Penalty he would get, penalty he'd.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Get thrown, out things he could he'd picked people, up
he'd throw them down like you, know and if you
walked up on, him like he'd throw three or four
or five punches in a row without like even.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Thinking you, know he was just like he was just
he was.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Reactive And i'm telling you when we when when when
we were talking WHEN i was In minnesota this past,
Weekend like it was one thing to hear, it but
then somebody showed me like two pictures of, them and
one of them was like he he didn't have a shirt,
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on WHICH i have no idea why he would not
have a shirt, on and taking a picture other than.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
To to to make the case this is how he.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Looked and you, KNOW i DON'T i can't EVEN i
can't even tell you like he was Probably i'm telling you,
kids you're not like he was probably as then as you, like.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah where did? Where what's going?
Speaker 8 (35:05):
On?
Speaker 5 (35:06):
Yeah you?
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Know and AND i heard a lot of there's a
whole lot of back talk about different things and how
he got to this place and how HE i guess
maybe people helped him to get to this bad. Place
but you, KNOW i don't have any facts behind, that
SO i don't want to really want to speak on
that just but more so just you, know when, players
when players get in this, SITUATION i think management ownership
(35:30):
should really play a major.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
Role, absolutely you.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
KNOW i think you, know whatever then and.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
If dedicated the best years of your, life your, health
your your all of, it and probably maybe we don't.
Know like we, said you're not going to, speculate but
there's a possibility that it's related to pass play in THE. Nfl,
yes and they should just step up their, game.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Even even if you don't know, that, right even if
you don't, know even if you don't know, that here's
a player that, has you, know.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Spend his life in your.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Organization you get to have claimed him as a great.
Player and now he's in a very difficult.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
Situation so you don't feel like The vikings have have
stepped in at.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
ALL i don't.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
KNOW i do Know Tommy kramer did a, fundraiser, yes
like LAST i don't, know a couple of months. Ago,
Yes sultz memorabilia that was going to go toward his.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Care there were there.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Were quite a few of the guys who stepped, in
and again that was that Was i'll Give i'll give
props To Buddy Buddy. Becker he he did. That he's
not affiliated at all with The Viking. Vikings he's just
that's that's just on his. Own that's he's just a
super good guy and and he's he Knows joey somewhat,
(36:54):
well and he wanted to make sure that there was
he could he had some place to where he could
go and be taken care.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Of and and so.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
He he created that or raise that money for. Him
But i'm telling, you like it's and it's kind of
still bothered me a little bit, inside because, like this
was a guy that was probably one of the best
(37:25):
Players i've ever been on a team, with, right you,
know best one of the best defensive backs safeties THAT
i may have ever ever. Known and and AND i
didn't play With Ronnie, lott AND i didn't play with
none of those kind of Guys Kenny easily and and
all Those BUT i knew what what he could. Do
(37:46):
and now to to sit here and have to, realize you,
know maybe what his fate, is you, know like and AND,
i LIKE i, SAID I i don't really know where
the family. IS i don't know where they you, know
their involvement in taking care of.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
Them, Sure But i'm sure if he's if he's that you,
know that, ill that catastrophic, illness that it's probably just taken,
on you know how it is with. HEALTHCARE i, mean
it's probably been a huge expense just to get him
taken care. Of the family may be involved and just
ran out of. MONEY i, mean it's just a sad.
Speaker 7 (38:24):
SITUATION i feel, like is this sort of one of
the things that The Players association and former players have
really been fighting. FOR i, MEAN i think the bulk
of the spotlight has been on brain injuries and memory
loss and things like, that BUT i think we're also
finding that there's a lot of other health issues that
(38:46):
have come from, playing especially you, know thirty forty fifty
years ago that for, ONE i don't think medical technology
was really there right, there weren't doctors as many doctors
on the sidelines the way they have them. Now there's
not all these protocols that they have in place down
and take someone out of the game if they suspect an.
INJURY i, mean it's kind OF i, mean this is
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like a prime example of there's work.
Speaker 8 (39:13):
That has been. Done there's a lot of work that
still needs to be.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Done AND i think the work THAT i think the
work that needs to be done can be done if
we just decide. To AND i THINK i think the
problem to me and the work of what work needs
to happen is you have to treat you have to
take care of that particular. Player you don't just you.
(39:38):
Can you can give him a, dollar that's, fine that'll.
Help but you have doctors that you have appointed for
this and for, that and for this and for.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
That send him to that. Doctor have that doctor send
the bill to.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
You you know What.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
I'm, Saying like.
Speaker 5 (39:59):
In when you get, Forgotten, yes like players like you
guys are just kind of you were. THERE i mean
you were there when the league was really building its
name and getting to this point that it is, today
and then you guys are just kind of left in
the shadows when it comes to this this kind of.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
STUFF i think everything that you're giving, us everything that's
WE'RE i think everybody's, THANKFUL i think every.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Player but on the other side.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
Of, it it, is when you really think about, it
it's really, Small like it's just it's a it's a
compared to today today in what you're. Paying you're paying
a six digit last round. Pick you know you're going
to pay him six, digits, Right and you can't tell
me that you don't have the funding.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
To help players out.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Who are medically have a medical issue that could likely
run drain you of your of your, money any money
that you could have, had or is it situation where
like this particular situation With joey where his whole life
is is in an uproar because of his. Situation have they.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
And you you may not be able to answer this, Question,
caral but if they reached has anyone reached out to
the to the team and and to the organization and
said this is going on with this?
Speaker 4 (41:21):
Player AND i THINK i think someone has CONTACTED i
think somebody has contacted the. League BUT i think THAT
i would THINK i would like to hope that The
vikings would, know, yes now do they can they get to?
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Him will somebody try, to.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
You, know make that work so so that there's a
conversation or talking about? Him could to, Me i'd like
to think that my, family one of my family, members you,
know you, Know i'd like to think that If donna
said something was going, on.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
She would reach, out she would.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Reach out to somebody and try to figure out how
to you, know what CAN i do need to do?
This BUT i don't know If joey has been close
enough to some of the family members that he that's
that's that's around now to where for them to even.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Know AND i think THAT i think.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
The hardest part about that type of situation for a
spouse is you don't, know, right you, know there's so
many different organizations and mail that you.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Get you're looking at it and you're, like, well what is?
This and you're just.
Speaker 5 (42:31):
Overwhelmed you're just overwhelmed with, everything with the, illness with the,
bills with just everything that comes with.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
It, Right and when you get to that, point there's
no there's no there's no space for you to.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Spend time trying to look something.
Speaker 5 (42:46):
Up what DO i?
Speaker 4 (42:47):
Look there's got to be an eight hundred number to,
This so there's got to be an eight hundred number to.
That you're just like every, day you're trying to get
me out of, Bed you're trying to get me, dressed
you're trying to get me.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Showered you're in. Surval, yeah you're in survival, mode you.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
Know AND i really don't and and AND i really
don't know that people understand this is this is on
a track to get worse.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
With current, players you.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
Know AND i hate to you, KNOW i hate to say,
it but that's there's a reality that this is only
going to get, Worse this is not going to get. Better,
Right helmet all the helmet safety that you can.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
Create right when you take so many, hits so many, hits, yeah,
NATURAL i mean you're going to have some.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Issues your head and your brain are not supposed to
really do what football, does, right you, Know and and it's.
Speaker 5 (43:43):
So they need to they the. League kind of what
you're saying is the league kind of needs to look
at the future players and say and in former players and,
say we need some type of protocol in place when
someone has a catastrophic injury or a catastrophe struck illness
that may or may not be related to the. Game
(44:03):
they were our. Players just like an employee of a
company or a, business they have an obligation to help
you get through whatever it is that or get you,
know the resources that you, need whether it's treatment or
paying the costs that come along with that type of.
Illness they need to be active in that.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
Absolutely and on top of, that when you start talking
about the professional, ranks you start talking about the college.
Ranks now look at the college and the ranks and
look at the kind of money they're given.
Speaker 5 (44:37):
For, nil, RIGHT i mean the money is.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
There, yeah the dudes are happy to get that.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
Nil but it's what happens though if you get the
nil money and you you forget even who you, are
where to, go how to move. Around what's that money good?
Speaker 2 (44:55):
For?
Speaker 8 (44:55):
Yeah you?
Speaker 5 (44:56):
Know and so my family put a price on.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Health no you.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
Cannot AND i and to, ME i just think that
that the, college at the collegiate level and at the
at the professional, levels there has to be. Work there
has to be work to try to, fix to try to,
solve to try To there should be study after study
after study of ways to.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Prevent, it stop it. Whatever just just just address.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
It put out some kind of WHAT i would, say
true effort two to address, it because you're not saying.
Anything you know What i'm, Saying you're not LIKE i
would like for The vikings to to make, it to
say it in the on in public In minneapolis and,
(45:47):
say you, know this is what's going on With Joey,
brown and we we're doing some things to try to help.
Him and because there are people who would show up
and do things for, him help him with just.
Speaker 5 (46:00):
It just like you know you're play like your former
players that know, him like Like Tommy, kramer you know
they're they're pitching in they're trying, to you, know help
him in, fact who was the player we had on
and he mentioned he mentioned this. SITUATION i can't, remember
BUT i remember him talking about might, WELL i don't,
KNOW i can't. Remember so you.
Speaker 7 (46:21):
Would think a league that makes over twenty billion dollars
a year here we, go could afford. SOMETHING i mean,
THERE i was just looking up some of the money
stats for THE nfl with the broadcast of media deals
between twenty twenty two through twenty thirty. Three it's over
one hundred and ten billion dollars in guaranteed. Revenues at the.
Speaker 5 (46:45):
Least the owners should be, Responsible.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
So you couldn't put one, players so you couldn't come
out with one billion team to potentially howse somebody or
pay their their medical bills or.
Speaker 7 (46:57):
Something when the way you were to talking about it earlier,
too it kind of got me thinking about why why
is there? Not why is there not like a specific
medical program FOR nfl players where if like an, insurance,
yeah if something gets beyond something that they can just
(47:18):
go to their local hospital wherever they live and deal
with if something has become.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
So and we have and here's the, thing we have,
insurance which is. Good.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
Yeah you, know as a former, PLAYER i can you,
know AND i have reimbursement, money you, know for for
any of the payments THAT i, have it's a one time, payment,
okay and it's it's.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
It's not it's not.
Speaker 8 (47:41):
Alive you.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Know if you IF i had an IF i had a,
surgery SAY i had a knee, Surgery i'm probably gonna
be about halfway through that money BEFORE i get, well you,
know and then it's.
Speaker 5 (47:56):
Gone, unfortunately that's a reflection of healthcare and in the.
Nation that is. TRUE i, mean it is just a
it's it's a thing that needs to be addressed. Globally
So i'm sorry about your. FRIEND i really. Am, yeah
it's you, know it's it's it's that's, tough it's.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
It's gut it's gut, wrenching and it's it's scary because you,
know you just don't, know like who's, Next and then
on on on on bringing Up. Tommy you, Know Tommy
kramer has been you, know he has been an alcoholic
for Since i've known, him since we played.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Together and he's finally off of.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
It and he's been off now maybe six or seven,
MONTHS i think, maybe and he looks so much.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
Better he still doesn't talk a whole, Lot he'll.
Speaker 4 (48:49):
Laugh he's moving around, better is not as slow as
he was. Before and and, again this, family The becker,
family has done so much for. Him like he stays
there with, them he would have no place to. Go,
wow he lives there with. Them, no, no no, paid you,
(49:13):
know doesn't pay. Anything he gets his. Meals they're, LIKE
i don't want to say it's like a, child but
he's like he's like a third party in the. Household
and who does, that? Right you, know who's going to
do that for? Him if if if not, them then.
Speaker 5 (49:30):
Who it's a good way to sum it. Up if not,
them then?
Speaker 8 (49:34):
Who that is the big question question, Really and he's
the biggest.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
Guy he's the biggest.
Speaker 4 (49:40):
Guy every signing that we go, to, yeah everybody's, like,
oh It's Tommy. Kramer yeah he. Can he signed his
name same way he used. To you, know it's a
little bit, slower but it's the same audimn you. Know
And i'm telling you.
Speaker 5 (49:56):
Now that you mentioned, HIM i. WANTED i wanted to
bring up SOMETHING i was exploring when WHEN i looked to,
it kind OF i kind of went down a rabbit.
Hole imagine that that never happens when you're on the, internet,
Right SO i get on there AND i looked up
about your, friend and then it it sent me to
a link About Tommy. Kramer and so then WHEN i
look over to the, corner there was another another link To.
(50:16):
Uh it was just it said Sports legends and it
was you, Know, vikings you, Guys and SO i clicked
on it AND i went through the players and lo
and behold there's Car. Lee AND i, said, well why
haven't you talked about? This what you? Know what what
what you guys do in this this ORGAN i don't
know what you call, it like a club an, organization
but can you tell us just a little bit about
(50:38):
how you're involved with the Sports?
Speaker 4 (50:39):
Legends, well it's it's more so a term that they
use for retired. Players, yeah do most teams have this
or just The? VIKINGS i, FIGURED i don't know. That
i've never heard it from anybody. Else, okay you, know,
okay BUT i know that The. VIKINGS i mean THAT'S i,
mean you get referred to that way almost everywhere you,
(51:02):
go like these are The Viking. Legends, yeah you, know that's.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
It's like it is like a club.
Speaker 4 (51:10):
Elite, well anybody who has, retired anybody who is who's there.
Present you're gonna get. That that that's gonna be a
term that you're gonna. Get i've got tons and tons
of shirts that have like, Legends viking legends and stuff like.
Speaker 5 (51:28):
That wait a, minute, hello where's.
Speaker 8 (51:31):
Our, Shirt?
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Matt, well you AND i aren't.
Speaker 8 (51:35):
Legends i'm.
Speaker 4 (51:36):
Sorry, SHOOT i bought my grandson a sweat top WHILE
i was up, there and it just Has Minnesota vikings
because you know they.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
They, yeah you know yet, anyway we don't. Know hopefully
maybe sooner or later we'll be to do. That there you.
Speaker 4 (51:54):
Go but but, yeah the Whole, tommy the Whole Tommy kramer. Thing,
MAN i just think that it's you, know everywhere around the.
League i'm sure almost every team has someone or a
host of players who are in a very tough situation
and yet they some kind of, way grace Of, god
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they find themselves back into a good.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Situation but it takes.
Speaker 4 (52:25):
People who, care, absolutely it takes people who, care you,
know The. BECKERS i, MEAN i, mean when you got
a place to, stay a place to take a, bath
take a, shower eat all those kind of, things watch.
Games he's a huge, Gamer like he loves to watch football.
Games and so he's sitting there and eating and watching the.
(52:51):
Game and it's like and again the crazy, thing like
he doesn't say a word watching the. Game he doesn't,
critique he doesn't talk to. You he doesn't say, like
oh that was a bad. Play, yeah he says.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
Nothing strong. Silence it's a strong.
Speaker 4 (53:08):
Salent and he's getting a little bit better because he
smiles and he.
Speaker 5 (53:12):
Laughs, no that was that this past weekend talking about
you were hanging out With, yes we got a chance
to hang.
Speaker 4 (53:18):
Out and So i'm thinking long term like, this this
is really going TO i think gonna help him get
really really better going.
Speaker 5 (53:29):
Forward you, know just keep him.
Speaker 4 (53:31):
Supporting, Yes, Yes LIKE i, said he's got a great support. Team,
yeah with The, beckers that's for.
Speaker 5 (53:37):
Sure, yeah that's. Awesome so you want to talk about
Where i'm Going sunday?
Speaker 2 (53:42):
NIGHT a little?
Speaker 5 (53:43):
BIT a little, BIT a little.
Speaker 8 (53:44):
BIT i think his eyes rolled out of his.
Speaker 4 (53:48):
Skull are we're done with the?
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Show are?
Speaker 5 (53:52):
WE i think we have about five minutes.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
Squeeze in a little. Talk, Okay so for everybody who's,
Listening lisa is going.
Speaker 5 (54:03):
Somewhere i'm actually going to The sunday night football game
The Steelers. Packers my girlfriend AND i bought tickets. Today
we've we've planned. This we planned this trip for like.
Forever like we WENT i think it was about about
two years. Ago The packers went up there and they
lost to. This we went to that game as. Well
but we we saw this on the on THE nfl
(54:25):
schedule and we circled it like we were, Ready we're
ready to.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Roll so you actually have a friend it's A packer fan.
Speaker 5 (54:31):
Too oh, no, no she's A steelers. Fan oh my, GOD
i knew he had to get that dig.
Speaker 8 (54:38):
In Now i'm jealous Because i've never been to A packers, game.
Speaker 5 (54:42):
Never not not even. Away, no, wow this one been
the perfect. Opportunity it's not a bad.
Speaker 7 (54:48):
Drob i've been to SEVERAL nfl, games but yeahs.
Speaker 5 (54:52):
Okay i've been To lambeau once and that was.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
Cool that's. Different that's an.
Speaker 5 (54:56):
Experience, yeah that's a whole. Thing but, yeah but you,
know it's kind of going to be cool because the
game is all about you, know the hype around. It
of course it's the only game you know On sunday. Night,
uh and also just the idea Of Jordan love And
Aaron rodgers playing each other because it's like the teacher
student kind of like vib.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
And and and to that.
Speaker 4 (55:17):
Point you know a lot of times you'd like to
think that the student comes out. BETTER i don't, know,
SEE i you, know.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
You're my thought.
Speaker 4 (55:30):
Process, okay If i'm being taught, something you, know Like i'm, Thinking,
OKAY i want to come out of this, thing AND
i want to be better than the guy who's teaching.
Speaker 5 (55:38):
Me, sure you know there's that. Competition of, course as.
Speaker 4 (55:42):
Much AS i appreciate, it you, KNOW i WANT i
want to BE i want to be better than.
Speaker 5 (55:47):
Them, Yeah and.
Speaker 2 (55:52):
So you don't think like that's gonna, WELL i.
Speaker 5 (55:54):
MEAN i think. THAT i think the media has kind
of built up a lot of hype about this being
a revenge, game you, know like because you, know in twenty,
twenty whenever The packers Drafted Jordan, love you, Know Aaron
rodgers was not. HAPPY a lot of fans weren't. Happy
we thought he needed some you, know to drive that
the organization needed to draft some receivers to help him.
Out and, well now you, know but fast forward to
(56:16):
now to the present. Moment, yes that that was the
best thing that could have happened to The packer. Organization
but you, know it was just it was just strange
because you, know the media is trying to build up,
this you, know calling, it you, know a revenge game
and that you know it's going to, be you, know
a lot of animosity on the, field And Aaron rodgers
kind of came out, lately you, Know impress conferences with
(56:37):
him and, said you know, WHAT i don't have any
animosity toward this, Team like you, Know i'm good with.
It i'm happy to see some guys and you, know
it's not A it's not that way at. All SO
i don't, know we'll SEE i THINK i think what
they say and what they really feel is two different.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Things, yes, yes.
Speaker 4 (56:54):
Okay so WHEN i went to The, saints fortunately or,
unfortunately we ended up playing The, vikings AND i want
to say it was a preseason game, actually and for,
me you, know everything in my, mind this is a.
Game and for everybody WHO i, cover Who i've covered
(57:17):
in one on ones in, Practice i'm gonna shut them.
Down that's you, Know it's just it's JUST i don't
think you can get cut from a, team and it
be okay especially and then play them and because you
already know everybody that that's gonna cover you or, yeah
whatever the case may, be whatever your position, is you
(57:38):
know who they, are you know how, good you know
their their, flaws you know all of, that so you're
gonna use every piece of that to get back at.
Speaker 5 (57:47):
Them, WELL i, MEAN i, MEAN i think that's that's
a good. Point but you know that the defense is
ALSO i, MEAN i don't know how many of the.
PLAYERS i, MEAN i think we've still got quite a,
few but they're gonna kind of Know aaron's moves, too
so it goes both.
Speaker 2 (57:59):
Ways but, right and, yes and and there's age there.
Speaker 5 (58:04):
Too, YEAH i, MEAN i think it's gonna be a great.
Game i'm hoping it is, Anyway and.
Speaker 2 (58:11):
To be, honest it really should.
Speaker 4 (58:12):
WEAR i don't think it should be really a quarterback topic.
GAME i really don't think it should be because, again
you get, yeah, yeah AND i don't think that's really
that's really what's gonna win or lose.
Speaker 5 (58:29):
It i'll Be i'll be WHEN i roll in Next
monday for the, podcast we'll see we'll see WHAT i
look like and feel like and all.
Speaker 4 (58:37):
That all, Right, well we'll look forward to job.
Speaker 2 (58:43):
Job, yeah you call me before you come in. Here,
okay just all, right ladies and, gentlemen we will get
back to you next. Week. Maybe all, right we're out.
Speaker 3 (58:54):
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Speaker 4 (00:54):
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, This is Carl Lee with Let's Talk.
And uh, we're in the building and and my co
host Lisa Odie is available for us today and uh,
unfortunately Hollis is unable to make it today.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Yes, and.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
We've got some interesting, interesting topics.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
And it's an interesting day, is well.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yes, the world of sports. Yes, yes, it really has
that way. And let's let's talk.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
We'll open up with the with the whole gambling thing, okay,
and the bout drop to that to me.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Let's do this. Let's say this, this is even better
before you get into it. Let's play the clip. That's
the director who did the whole thing. So go ahead, Okay.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
Today we're here in New York to announce historic arrests
across a wide, sweeping criminal enterprise that envelops both the
NBA and La Cosa Nostra. Individuals such as Chauncey Billups,
Damon Jones, and Terry Rozier were taking into today former
current NBA players and coaches. This is an illegal gambling
operation and sports rigging operation that spanned.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
The course of years.
Speaker 6 (02:08):
The FBI led a coordinative takedown across eleven states to
arrest over thirty individuals today responsible for this case, which
is very much ongoing. We also entered and executed a
system of justice against La Casinosha to include the Bonano, Gambino,
Genevesi and Luchas crime families. The chargers and the arrests
(02:30):
that were taken down across this country range from wire fraud,
money laundering, extortion, robbery, illegal gambling. We're talking about tens
of millions of dollars in.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Fraud and theft and robbery.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
Across a multi year investigation, they perpetrated a fraud that
is historic in terms of not just money, but the
scheme and the deceit that they utilize to steal and
swindle people for money.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Wow. I mean, I don't know about about you guys,
but I felt like I was like in the middle
of of a Godfather movie or maybe when they started
naming all these crime families that were involved, I was like,
this is like Good Fellows flashbacks. I mean, come on, Carl,
and it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Well, let me And what I can't really what I
can't really fathom is what how did you get connected
to that? You know, like, if I'm a player, like,
how am I getting connected? Somebody's coming to me and
asking me, are you willing to do this? Okay, but
I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna kind of speak negative
(03:38):
too from the NFL standpoint, okay, and really from all
sports who promote gambling that their commercials are gambling and
you're gonna and you're gonna tell.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Players you can't gamble.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Okay, And now Back in the day, I didn't have
enough money that I was gonna gamble.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
It wasn't worded. I woke. I couldn't afford to lose.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Today these guys got billions of dollars to where they
can they can do this, you know, And and.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
That invites a question for me. If you have that
much money, why would you risk all of that, even
you know, the thoughts of possibly going to prison for
who knows how long. You don't mess with peoples. You
don't mess with the FBI and their money, and the
irs and their money. I don't understand what possesses you
(04:30):
to even risk for the little bit that they would
make in these schemes, I would think.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And and to your point of.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
The amount being little, even if they were to to
let's say one night, one week, they might make let's
say one hundred thousand dollars, right you know now.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
That that has me in line maybe like how do
I get in that line?
Speaker 4 (04:59):
But on the other side of it, these dudes should
and have made millions of dollars, So why would you
risk your freedom and your reputation.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Your reputation exactly, your legacy.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
You're your whole legacy. I mean it makes no sense
to me.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
No, no, But I asked this question with no one
in I don't think we're going to be able to
really answer it, but we can maybe comment about what
the possibility is. Where do you meet that guy? Like,
where do you meet that that particular guy. Where's he at?
He's not at He's not at the practice facility.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Well now you just said this though, Carl. You said,
now that you've got all of sports in bed with
with gambling platforms, Well, you know that that just comes
with it, That comes with the territory. These people are
going to be more available. They're there to to put
their their platforms, and along with the ones that are
(06:04):
you know, I don't know how you can say clean gambling,
but clean betting, you've also got the shady guys that
come along with it.
Speaker 7 (06:10):
I think some of it has to do with the
way that the spectator experience has been upgraded over the years.
This was a topic we had on Metronie's Hotline with
Dave Weekly last week. I was talking about the Cleveland Cavaliers.
They're going to come up with this club that is
only open to one hundred people, and it's something like
fifty or sixty thousand dollars to be a part of it.
(06:33):
But you're going to get all these benefits to go
and see the game and be in the suites and
stuff and do all that stuff. And I guarantee part
of that is going to be meeting the players at
some point. Sure, if you've got the money to afford
that in.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
The first place, there's your connection.
Speaker 7 (06:48):
They're going to be in there, and then you're going
to meet those players and you know where it counts out.
It's just a little conversation turns into a hey, we
all got a money proposition for you, exactly.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
And when you're a retired player and you hear something
like that, you're you're you're.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Going to be interested. Sure, you know, like even like.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
To me getting connected to the gentleman his name is
Buddy Becker, who is a guy who we do autograph
stuff with. And we'll talk maybe a little bit more
about that later. But if he were to come to
me and say, hey, would you be interested in you know,
giving me your view of what you think the scores
(07:31):
could be to this game that game, and I'm going
to I'm gonna I'm gonna go out there and and
and place a bet. So let's say I do that
and he comes back and he says, hey, man, we won.
You know, we might want to just do this again.
So now all of a sudden, I'm I'm the guy
(07:53):
he's coming to, sure, you know, to talk to about
what the potential scores and differences would be and how
he should be betting. When how long is that going
to take for me to be betting on my own?
Speaker 8 (08:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (08:06):
See, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
At some point, I bet I'm like thinking I got
to be able to do this on my own.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Yeah. And just like Matt said that, they're finding ways,
creative ways to get to these players and and and
a lot of times innocently, when you create these clubs
and things to to you know, to let fans get
a you know, better, you know experience at a game,
then then the bad can can slip through the through
the cracks and get in there to those players. And
(08:31):
so so I wanted to talk a little bit before we,
you know, get any further about the type of problems
or the type of things that they were doing that
got them in this position. Of course, that the three
main people that they focused on today were Miami Heat,
guard Terry Rozier, and he was taken into custody in Orlando.
(08:53):
He was accused of telling members of a betting ring
that he would leave a game early and allow them
to wager on his prop bets with the knowledge he
would not rack up stats. Now, for me, I had
to look up prop bets because I am.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Not a season don't.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
I don't know gambling knees, right, So basically a prop
bet carl is is short for proposition bets, And what
it means is it's not so much win loss, like
you bet on a team to win or you bet
on a team to lose. It's more like betting on
like what he did. Like you might say, this quarterback
is gonna have this much yardage in this game. You
can bet on that, right, you can bet on who's gonna,
(09:31):
you know, throw the first touchdown. You know who's gonna
are they gonna go into overtime. It's more the circumstances
of the game rather than the victory or the loss.
So for these players to do things like let these
gambling rings know, hey, I'm leaving, think about the money
that they can generate, you know, with these people making
(09:54):
prop bets about oh, his stats are going to be
like this this game when he leaves early. Well, there's
no way he's gonna make that stat. So that was
his problem. And then what blew my mind was with
the other to the Trailblazers head coach Chauncey Billups and
coach Damon Jones. Uh he was a ex Cleveland Cavaliers
assistant coach. Their charges listen to this were related to
(10:16):
sports betting, poker games, poker games that were rigged, And
if you dig deep into all these allegations, it will
blow your mind how the money that they must have
made and these people helped what is that I mean,
like I mean poker machines, Like I mean, this is
part of the allegations against all of these crime families,
(10:37):
Like there's rig technology in casinos, Like it goes deeper
than just the NBA. This part of it, the prop
best They.
Speaker 7 (10:44):
Were talking about how there was even like barcodes on
cards at the poker table.
Speaker 8 (10:49):
You can zoom in and.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
See that they had, Like yeah, an extortion. Extortion was
another piece of it, which is that's an ugly you know,
that's got to be an ugly fault. Who knows what,
But but it's it's just so deep and and and
they've arrested I think like thirty four people so far.
But I guarantee you there's more to this is gonna
(11:11):
and it may it may transcend the NBA, it may
go to other sports. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Okay, So all of these terms and all that kind
of stuff, which which I have no working knowledge.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Of, what until one.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
And and what what? What amazes me about that? How
do you? How do you do that? Why would you
want to do that.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
With a game that you played with I'm assuming with
some integrity, some goal setting of what you wanted to do,
what you wanted to be. And let's assume that I
did all that, and I'm I'm that thing that I
wanted to be.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
And my next my next step is going into gambling.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
I lose all of that. I'm risking all of that career,
all of that legacy for money that do I really
need it? Does any one of those guys really even
need it?
Speaker 5 (12:15):
And and no they don't. You're right you're doing. But
here's the thing. If they're capable, if these families are capable,
I mean these are crime families, Yes, if they're capable
of extortion. They may have given and I hate to
say this because it's kind of cliche, but they may
have given them offers they couldn't refuse. You know what
I'm saying, like, you know, you need you need to
do this, you need to do that, because this could
(12:37):
be the consequence. I'm not saying that that's the truth.
That's my own theory.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
But I think it is the sport.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
Of it too, as someone who is very minded in
the mindset of being competitive and winning and winning. Yeah,
I think it just you take it from the game
and you just move it to money. I think it's
the same kind of addiction to winning, but just in
a different.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Realm, different forms.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
And I think you're right because I I've heard players
talk about this or that, whatever thing that they're in
that what they like about it is it's competitive. You
know that, you know, And because the competitive side to
a player, I think is is it becomes everything to
(13:23):
you now fortunately or unfortunately however you want to look
at it. For me, I love to play golf. I'm
not very good at it. I can I can accept
losing in that because I'm not very good.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
At it, we know, So.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
Just apply your w C hs.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
But you know, like, I don't.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Know if I'm so competitive to the to the to
a degree that I would risk take that chance of
the integrity of whatever integrity that I have on my name,
whatever notoriety that I have in my name, Like, why
would I risk that?
Speaker 5 (14:11):
But during your time, it was taboo, and that you've
got that mindset.
Speaker 7 (14:17):
Maybe in the NFL, but Pete Rose, Yeah, it was
banned in nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
Yeah, and it was it was. Yeah, it was taboo.
That's what I'm saying. You could not do any sports betting,
and now you couldn't. But it went on, well it
went on. But what I'm saying is it wasn't something
that they would let slide it that way. Okay, sure,
because now we've got ESPN in bed with DraftKings or whoever,
and they.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I think it's a problem.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Listen today, I had and this is no lie. I
had ESPN on. They broke the story or you know,
they it's been on a cycle all day, but they
tell the story about what this whole you know, this
sports gambling thing going on. And then the very next
segment they go to their sports betting uh segment, and
they're talking about Well, this is a sure bet, and
I'm saying, are you kidding me? Somebody's producer needs to
(15:08):
answer for that, Like I think I would have put
that a little further away from the story.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Bet. Okay, well let me and let me ask this question.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Okay, So one, you bring on NBA players, You bring
on all these star players to be host, co host
and guests and all of that.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
And you're tying them into.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Something that is basically whether they're former players or what
you're you're you're adding on to something that could be
detrimental to them. So how can I go to ESPN
and be on the show and all they're talking about
is gambling?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I know?
Speaker 8 (15:48):
Well, I mean, come on, that's their job this industry.
Speaker 7 (15:52):
I mean, you get these national buys from ad agencies,
and you know, so long as the ads are within
the ambling laws of the state that they're airing, you know,
they've paid for.
Speaker 8 (16:03):
It, so we have to air it.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
Same thing with programming, you can it's like ESPN program
or even like a local station here. You you sell
what's called like a benchmark and they'll be like a
certain segment within a show, and then you go out
and you find a sponsor. Same thing as how your
podcasting sponsors you can sponsor their segments.
Speaker 8 (16:22):
So you get these draft kings and that MGM and
all that.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
It's not a good look though, I mean, it's them
all of the money now, I mean, it doesn't shock me.
I mean we we've talked about this on the show before,
but not we never dreamed that this would break to
this extent.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
To where yes, we get actually save Yeah, this is
the NBA and these folks are likely.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
To go to jail. Oh yeah, I mean and they're
notable people.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
They're they're facing charges. Yes, there they're and and they've
both been placed on leave. But we know where that
and of course, let let's look at how this affects
the NBA. Let's have that conversation, because we know, of you,
ship has not been great the past what ten years,
has been on a decline. It really has. You guys
can disagree with me, you're right, and so the NBA
(17:10):
that I can't you know, I'm going to paraphrase what
their statement was about the whole the whole situation, but
they said they're reviewing the whole situation, cooperating with the FBI,
UH and they want their top priority is the integrity
of the game. Why I think that ship's ship's kind
of sailed right now. I don't know how you I
don't know if they can repair this, especially if it
(17:32):
goes deeper than what we what we're seeing right now.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Well, it would be almost like you know, like the
maybe like a steroid.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Issue or a drug issue or whatever it happens.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
You you you, somebody gets caught doing whatever, right, they're
caught red handed, so everybody's talking about them. All that
the league or the organization wants to do is basically
kind of separate themselves from that person and.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Say, so Lisa was doing that.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Really, I know she was a player, but she's doing
that on her own. And we want to be over
here and we're going to start, uh putting some commercials
on that is going to be anti this, antie that,
and that's the whole so we can get so we
can kind of get ourselves a fresh slate.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
No, you can't get it.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
I don't think.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I don't think you can get it.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
There's because teams they implicated, right there are four teams
that they said probably had more ties and those were
the nuggets. No, No, I'm sorry the Hornets, the Raptors,
Trailblazers of course their head coach, and then the Lakers.
Who Lakers are on that list. It's a short list.
Speaker 8 (18:54):
That's where your biggest money is in the league.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Yeah, but I mean that that kind of raises eyebrows, right,
I mean, that's right, that's money.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
I like the way you described it though, as kind
of like a drug issue, because in a way, I
mean it's sort of that same.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
People get a thing.
Speaker 8 (19:08):
Yeah, the thing I think you're going to have.
Speaker 7 (19:10):
I think the league, if they want to maintain any
sense of the game, there's going to have to be expulsions. Oh,
we're gonna have to say, okay, you know, if you
indictments are one thing that if they're proven guilty, right,
you've got to say you no longer have a place
in the NBA as a coach, as a player.
Speaker 8 (19:31):
You're out, You're done. That's it.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
I'm going to counterpoint what you just said about the addiction.
I know that, Yeah, some of the athletes actually have
problems with making bets. That that's part of a gambling addiction.
We're talking about someone that lets these gambling you know,
groups or whatever you want to call families, the crime
families know when they're leaving a game or know that
(19:55):
this is going to happen, that that's not an addiction.
That is that's just kind of shady my book.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Like, that's that's making money.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
That's making money.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
That's that's right, making money.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
That's outside of like a gambling problem, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I don't know, so I would, I would think so.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
And that's why I go back to my point about
maybe these crime family I mean, it all come out.
It's gonna come out eventually, and I think there's gonna
be way more coming out in the future. But I
mean I think that maybe some of these crime families
may have put some pressure. They may have had some
dirt on some of these players you don't know, and said, hey,
you need to cooperate with us.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
And I mean, if we if we've seen anything in
the news this year, it's that there have been some
really crazy parties with celebrities.
Speaker 8 (20:38):
That have been going on for a while.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
Amen.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
That's that's really really and they could have that they
could create a great point.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Hanging over somebody's heads.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yes, yes, because you know, when you when you get
connected with somebody you know and like I said, you know,
I'm connected.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
With a guy who helps me, helps me make money.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Signing autographs and all that kind of stuff. So somebody
else says, well, you know what I got, I got
a better way. You know, if you just do this
or do that, Yeah, I can double that money for
you and guarantee guarantee that you can that you can
make it.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
What's my first thing? What is it? Now?
Speaker 4 (21:17):
The question then becomes when he says it, and I
can and I can see that there's something wrong with it.
If I accept it, I'm I'm accountable. I'm I'm I'm
straight up accountable. I should have to turn I should
be smart enough to turn that away because I know
if there's any chance of getting caught, I don't want it.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
I just don't want it. It's it's just it's too
it's it's too much. Man, it's thirty Yeah it is.
Speaker 7 (21:49):
And here's here's the thing too, it's even over the decades,
it's a very small pool of people, so there's going
to be connections everywhere. There's only been about five thousand
players in the NBA since its inception, the NFL only
twenty five thousand. That's over the whole entire length of
the NFL, there's only twenty five thousand players.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
That's crazy because you'd think more.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
Well you would, man, you know, that does make you
realize real quick. You know, you've got a connection to
one guy who's probably got a connection to somebody who's
got the I mean, it's not that far of a
separation between you and this.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
If I can get you, then I can get Lisa. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
In my mind, the guy who's talking to me about, hey,
you know these people, you know, some certain people that
you can maybe bring into it with. And I'm like thinking, well, yeah,
I do. I've got a couple right there at the station.
You know, I can probably talk to them. Next thing,
you know, you're thinking, well, who do I know? Lisa's
thinking about who do I know?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
So that's why I think this list will grow. I
don't think this is the end of it, and I
think it's going to get uglier, and I think there's
going to be some more recognizable names that come out
that it won't be pretty. I also read and then
I'll we can do whatever. But I also read an
article a lawyer kind of summarized what the allegations of
the FBI, what they their findings were, and basically he
(23:14):
had three three points and the first point was NBA
players and coachers coaches were a crucial part plural. Did
you hear that coaches and players were a crucial part
of both alleged rings. They were sources of information for
betters who put money on prop bets. They also released
(23:34):
non public information about who wasn't playing in games. And
like I said, you know, thirty four were arrested, so
that was the other part of it. But it just
blows my mind that it has gotten to this point
and how long the FBI had been actually investigating. This
has been going on for quite some time.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
But who's the thirty four? Who were the third I mean,
what role did they play? And who are they?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
What? What?
Speaker 8 (24:05):
What?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
What's what makes me? What? What? What makes me think?
What comes to my mind?
Speaker 4 (24:11):
If I'm the coach and I'm I'm involved in it,
who else would I want to try to get involved with?
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I would try to I need I'm gonna need my star.
Speaker 7 (24:23):
Okay, So it looks like Chauncey Billips, Terry Rosier, yeah,
Damon Jones were the three inside the NBA and then
the other thirty one defendants include members and associates of
organized crime families, so it's only a few folks from
the lead.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Yes, but see, like, okay, so let's say I'm doing
and Lisa's another Lisa's a friend of mine, and she's
in the league too, and I'm thinking this is a
good deal.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
So at some point I had to have talked to
her about it.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
I don't think I'm gonna keep that as then I'm
going to talk to you about it, or at least
is going to talk to you about it.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Say hey, es, Carl, talk to you about this.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
You know, I just don't know how just from my
inside process of locker room talk, hanging out.
Speaker 9 (25:13):
Talk, association, association with everybody, yes, with everybody that you have,
I just don't see me thinking like I'm going to
hold this to myself because I can make more money
if I the more people I can get under me,
I can make money.
Speaker 7 (25:28):
I personally think in these situations, I feel like more
times than not, people are actually just real out in
the open about it.
Speaker 8 (25:36):
They're not really actually secretive at all.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
That may be true too, well, they've made it to
that it doesn't feel like it's wrong. I mean, like
I said, you can turn on ESPN or whatever, and
and gambling is not it's not shunned. I mean, it's
it's part of every all sports well.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
And I think once you get to that certain level,
you can be a little bit more open because even
though you're being open about it, you're still in a
tight circle. Yes, in the controlled environment because you're in
professional sports. So that I think is going to limit
the exposure to the And again, you know, I think
you can be open in that situation because everyone else
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that knows kind of what's going on, they're in it too.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
So Sterling just commented live on our my video for Facebook.
He's not going to call in Sterling, He's just going
to comment. Love you. I'll read what he said.
Speaker 9 (26:27):
Though.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
He said, no, the athletes just made mistakes. Yeah, I
agree with that. Yeah, I mean they are huge mistakes.
But unfortunately their mistakes are going to pay for judgment
poor judgment for sure. And I think the influence, I mean,
like I said, I think that we've we've kind of
just been going down this path of destruction by a
(26:50):
little by little, allowing the gambling platform as becoming part
of the norm of sports. I just feel like that
that was that was the first mistake before the athletes
make mistakes.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
I I you know, I just feel like like you
you are, what would make you, what would make you first,
what would make you start, what would make you even
get into some racket like that? Like why are you
sitting around and trying to figure out, like, well, let
me gamble, Let me gamble, because there's gambling that you
(27:28):
don't that.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
You can do.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
But you you already know you can't gamble on sports.
You already know you're you were in the sport, so
you can't gamble and you can't you can't make those bets.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
I just think they're so inundated with it. I mean
I think that you know, and it's so easy. I
mean it's not like it used to be where you
you had to go out on the street and meet
a person to make a bet or go to the casino.
I mean, you just pick up your phone.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
But you could sign an off, you can sign your name.
You could probably go somewhere and sign your name and
make that kind of money.
Speaker 7 (27:58):
I think people are either a gambler or they're not.
I mean, like for me personally, I'm not a gambler.
I get nothing out of it.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I get nothing out of it either, but I know for.
Speaker 8 (28:06):
Some people there's a thrill in it. And and just.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
Because you can't bet on if you're a professional athlete,
just because you can't bet in sports or in your sport,
I mean you.
Speaker 8 (28:20):
Can still be a gambler.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (28:22):
So, I mean it's it's just.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
If you need to get that fixed, you can get
it somewhere else.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
And I think that it's an easy bridge to cross now,
because like you mentioned, made it so much easier.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
That's everywhere.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Well, tell Sterling, I'm not I'm not. I totally disagree
with him. And if and if he wants it.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
To be, you're fired to meet each other in the
unemployment line.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
We're gonna take a quick break here, but let him know.
We're gonna change the number. And I'm gonna have I'm
gonna force you to change your number. I'll gonna fire you.
We'll be right back, all right, cats a kitten, Sam,
you heard.
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Speaker 2 (30:30):
All right, ladies and gentlemen. All right, so we're gonna
switch subjects.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
And Lisa, this subject is really not a it's not
one that I'm really happy about to.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Discuss.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Really one of the best players that I think I've
ever really seen in my life, and for sure as
a defensive back. His name was Joey Browner. And I
think a lot of people remember the family of the Browners,
who all kind of play maid football and different sports.
(31:05):
I was, I was in Minnesota for the game last weekend,
and I saw some pictures of it. Yeah, and Joey
was like about a six three six' four two thirty
two forty strong safety that can run.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
And could take on a. Lot he was a.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Legend he was like he was he was just he
was so so so, talented.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
And, well CAN i give a little, background just BECAUSE
i know when you mentioned your friend to. Me it
took me a. MINUTE i had to kind of go
back and look, up you know the. THINGS i was.
Shocked and we had this conversation before we came on
the air about why he hasn't been on the ballot
to The hall Of National Football hall Of. Fame but
he was A, vikings like you, said defense back from
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nineteen eighty three to nineteen ninety, one played college FOR
Usc he was selected nineteenth overall in the first round
of the nineteen eighty THREE Nfl, draft and he was
selected to Six Pro Boat? Bowls, carl how? Many how? Many?
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Three he?
Speaker 5 (32:18):
Had? Six? Yes, OH i just want to make sure
you clarified. That and Since i'm fired, anyway he amassd
over eleven hundred total tackles in his career with The,
vikings caused eighteen, fumbles were covered sixteen of, them and
led The vikings in non defensive categories over his. Career
(32:38):
so he is a very, established Storied viking. Player and
it's and it's unbeing nice to me UNTIL i looked it.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Up BUT i was, amazed and maybe for maybe for
a lot of, People but when you start talking About Ronnie,
Lott Kenny, easley some of those you know safeties back
in the.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Day joey.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Came in and became one of those guys during his
erau and and one of the things THAT i can remember,
was you, Know, Joey joey was a really mild mannered
kind of a. Guy and and he he he just
played like he was just a reactor to the. Play we,
(33:24):
changed not, we but The vikings changed how the strong
safety played and made him almost really like a. Linebacker
and you, know he so he'd be covering basically tight
ends and and and people like that more so than
than than wideouts when we'd be playing man the.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Man but he was so amazingly physical THAT.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
I don't even know in today's, Game LIKE i don't
even know if if if he could fit today's.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
GAME i just, yeah he was just two or the.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Penalty he would get, penalty he'd.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Get thrown, out things he could he'd picked people, up
he'd throw them down like you, know and if you
walked up on, him like he'd throw three or four
or five punches in a row without like even.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Thinking you, know he was just like he was just
he was.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Reactive And i'm telling you when we when when when
we were talking WHEN i was In minnesota this past,
Weekend like it was one thing to hear, it but
then somebody showed me like two pictures of, them and
one of them was like he he didn't have a shirt,
(34:40):
on WHICH i have no idea why he would not
have a shirt, on and taking a picture other than.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
To to to make the case this is how he.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Looked and you, KNOW i DON'T i can't EVEN i
can't even tell you like he was Probably i'm telling you,
kids you're not like he was probably as then as you, like.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yeah where did? Where what's going?
Speaker 8 (35:05):
On?
Speaker 5 (35:06):
Yeah you?
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Know and AND i heard a lot of there's a
whole lot of back talk about different things and how
he got to this place and how HE i guess
maybe people helped him to get to this bad. Place
but you, KNOW i don't have any facts behind, that
SO i don't want to really want to speak on
that just but more so just you, know when, players
when players get in this, SITUATION i think management ownership
(35:30):
should really play a major.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
Role, absolutely you.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
KNOW i think you, know whatever then and.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
If dedicated the best years of your, life your, health
your your all of, it and probably maybe we don't.
Know like we, said you're not going to, speculate but
there's a possibility that it's related to pass play in THE. Nfl,
yes and they should just step up their, game.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Even even if you don't know, that, right even if
you don't, know even if you don't know, that here's
a player that, has you, know.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Spend his life in your.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Organization you get to have claimed him as a great.
Player and now he's in a very difficult.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
Situation so you don't feel like The vikings have have
stepped in at.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
ALL i don't.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
KNOW i do Know Tommy kramer did a, fundraiser, yes
like LAST i don't, know a couple of months. Ago,
Yes sultz memorabilia that was going to go toward his.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Care there were there.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Were quite a few of the guys who stepped, in
and again that was that Was i'll Give i'll give
props To Buddy Buddy. Becker he he did. That he's
not affiliated at all with The Viking. Vikings he's just
that's that's just on his. Own that's he's just a
super good guy and and he's he Knows joey somewhat,
(36:54):
well and he wanted to make sure that there was
he could he had some place to where he could
go and be taken care.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Of and and so.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
He he created that or raise that money for. Him
But i'm telling, you like it's and it's kind of
still bothered me a little bit, inside because, like this
was a guy that was probably one of the best
(37:25):
Players i've ever been on a team, with, right you,
know best one of the best defensive backs safeties THAT
i may have ever ever. Known and and AND i
didn't play With Ronnie, lott AND i didn't play with
none of those kind of Guys Kenny easily and and
all Those BUT i knew what what he could. Do
(37:46):
and now to to sit here and have to, realize you,
know maybe what his fate, is you, know like and AND,
i LIKE i, SAID I i don't really know where
the family. IS i don't know where they you, know
their involvement in taking care of.
Speaker 5 (38:06):
Them, Sure But i'm sure if he's if he's that you,
know that, ill that catastrophic, illness that it's probably just taken,
on you know how it is with. HEALTHCARE i, mean
it's probably been a huge expense just to get him
taken care. Of the family may be involved and just
ran out of. MONEY i, mean it's just a sad.
Speaker 7 (38:24):
SITUATION i feel, like is this sort of one of
the things that The Players association and former players have
really been fighting. FOR i, MEAN i think the bulk
of the spotlight has been on brain injuries and memory
loss and things like, that BUT i think we're also
finding that there's a lot of other health issues that
(38:46):
have come from, playing especially you, know thirty forty fifty
years ago that for, ONE i don't think medical technology
was really there right, there weren't doctors as many doctors
on the sidelines the way they have them. Now there's
not all these protocols that they have in place down
and take someone out of the game if they suspect an.
INJURY i, mean it's kind OF i, mean this is
(39:08):
like a prime example of there's work.
Speaker 8 (39:13):
That has been. Done there's a lot of work that
still needs to be.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Done AND i think the work THAT i think the
work that needs to be done can be done if
we just decide. To AND i THINK i think the
problem to me and the work of what work needs
to happen is you have to treat you have to
take care of that particular. Player you don't just you.
(39:38):
Can you can give him a, dollar that's, fine that'll.
Help but you have doctors that you have appointed for
this and for, that and for this and for.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
That send him to that. Doctor have that doctor send
the bill to.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
You you know What.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
I'm, Saying like.
Speaker 5 (39:59):
In when you get, Forgotten, yes like players like you
guys are just kind of you were. THERE i mean
you were there when the league was really building its
name and getting to this point that it is, today
and then you guys are just kind of left in
the shadows when it comes to this this kind of.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
STUFF i think everything that you're giving, us everything that's
WE'RE i think everybody's, THANKFUL i think every.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Player but on the other side.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
Of, it it, is when you really think about, it
it's really, Small like it's just it's a it's a
compared to today today in what you're. Paying you're paying
a six digit last round. Pick you know you're going
to pay him six, digits, Right and you can't tell
me that you don't have the funding.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
To help players out.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Who are medically have a medical issue that could likely
run drain you of your of your, money any money
that you could have, had or is it situation where
like this particular situation With joey where his whole life
is is in an uproar because of his. Situation have they.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
And you you may not be able to answer this, Question,
caral but if they reached has anyone reached out to
the to the team and and to the organization and
said this is going on with this?
Speaker 4 (41:21):
Player AND i THINK i think someone has CONTACTED i
think somebody has contacted the. League BUT i think THAT
i would THINK i would like to hope that The
vikings would, know, yes now do they can they get to?
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Him will somebody try, to.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
You, know make that work so so that there's a
conversation or talking about? Him could to, Me i'd like
to think that my, family one of my family, members you,
know you, Know i'd like to think that If donna
said something was going, on.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
She would reach, out she would.
Speaker 4 (42:01):
Reach out to somebody and try to figure out how
to you, know what CAN i do need to do?
This BUT i don't know If joey has been close
enough to some of the family members that he that's
that's that's around now to where for them to even.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Know AND i think THAT i think.
Speaker 4 (42:18):
The hardest part about that type of situation for a
spouse is you don't, know, right you, know there's so
many different organizations and mail that you.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Get you're looking at it and you're, like, well what is?
This and you're just.
Speaker 5 (42:31):
Overwhelmed you're just overwhelmed with, everything with the, illness with the,
bills with just everything that comes with.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
It, Right and when you get to that, point there's
no there's no there's no space for you to.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Spend time trying to look something.
Speaker 5 (42:46):
Up what DO i?
Speaker 4 (42:47):
Look there's got to be an eight hundred number to,
This so there's got to be an eight hundred number to.
That you're just like every, day you're trying to get
me out of, Bed you're trying to get me, dressed
you're trying to get me.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Showered you're in. Surval, yeah you're in survival, mode you.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
Know AND i really don't and and AND i really
don't know that people understand this is this is on
a track to get worse.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
With current, players you.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
Know AND i hate to you, KNOW i hate to say,
it but that's there's a reality that this is only
going to get, Worse this is not going to get. Better,
Right helmet all the helmet safety that you can.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
Create right when you take so many, hits so many, hits, yeah,
NATURAL i mean you're going to have some.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Issues your head and your brain are not supposed to
really do what football, does, right you, Know and and it's.
Speaker 5 (43:43):
So they need to they the. League kind of what
you're saying is the league kind of needs to look
at the future players and say and in former players and,
say we need some type of protocol in place when
someone has a catastrophic injury or a catastrophe struck illness
that may or may not be related to the. Game
(44:03):
they were our. Players just like an employee of a
company or a, business they have an obligation to help
you get through whatever it is that or get you,
know the resources that you, need whether it's treatment or
paying the costs that come along with that type of.
Illness they need to be active in that.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
Absolutely and on top of, that when you start talking
about the professional, ranks you start talking about the college.
Ranks now look at the college and the ranks and
look at the kind of money they're given.
Speaker 5 (44:37):
For, nil, RIGHT i mean the money is.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
There, yeah the dudes are happy to get that.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
Nil but it's what happens though if you get the
nil money and you you forget even who you, are
where to, go how to move. Around what's that money good?
Speaker 2 (44:55):
For?
Speaker 8 (44:55):
Yeah you?
Speaker 5 (44:56):
Know and so my family put a price on.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Health no you.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
Cannot AND i and to, ME i just think that
that the, college at the collegiate level and at the
at the professional, levels there has to be. Work there
has to be work to try to, fix to try to,
solve to try To there should be study after study
after study of ways to.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Prevent, it stop it. Whatever just just just address.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
It put out some kind of WHAT i would, say
true effort two to address, it because you're not saying.
Anything you know What i'm, Saying you're not LIKE i
would like for The vikings to to make, it to
say it in the on in public In minneapolis and,
(45:47):
say you, know this is what's going on With Joey,
brown and we we're doing some things to try to help.
Him and because there are people who would show up
and do things for, him help him with just.
Speaker 5 (46:00):
It just like you know you're play like your former
players that know, him like Like Tommy, kramer you know
they're they're pitching in they're trying, to you, know help
him in, fact who was the player we had on
and he mentioned he mentioned this. SITUATION i can't, remember
BUT i remember him talking about might, WELL i don't,
KNOW i can't. Remember so you.
Speaker 7 (46:21):
Would think a league that makes over twenty billion dollars
a year here we, go could afford. SOMETHING i mean,
THERE i was just looking up some of the money
stats for THE nfl with the broadcast of media deals
between twenty twenty two through twenty thirty. Three it's over
one hundred and ten billion dollars in guaranteed. Revenues at the.
Speaker 5 (46:45):
Least the owners should be, Responsible.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
So you couldn't put one, players so you couldn't come
out with one billion team to potentially howse somebody or
pay their their medical bills or.
Speaker 7 (46:57):
Something when the way you were to talking about it earlier,
too it kind of got me thinking about why why
is there? Not why is there not like a specific
medical program FOR nfl players where if like an, insurance,
yeah if something gets beyond something that they can just
(47:18):
go to their local hospital wherever they live and deal
with if something has become.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
So and we have and here's the, thing we have,
insurance which is. Good.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
Yeah you, know as a former, PLAYER i can you,
know AND i have reimbursement, money you, know for for
any of the payments THAT i, have it's a one time, payment,
okay and it's it's.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
It's not it's not.
Speaker 8 (47:41):
Alive you.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
Know if you IF i had an IF i had a,
surgery SAY i had a knee, Surgery i'm probably gonna
be about halfway through that money BEFORE i get, well you,
know and then it's.
Speaker 5 (47:56):
Gone, unfortunately that's a reflection of healthcare and in the.
Nation that is. TRUE i, mean it is just a
it's it's a thing that needs to be addressed. Globally
So i'm sorry about your. FRIEND i really. Am, yeah
it's you, know it's it's it's that's, tough it's.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
It's gut it's gut, wrenching and it's it's scary because you,
know you just don't, know like who's, Next and then
on on on on bringing Up. Tommy you, Know Tommy
kramer has been you, know he has been an alcoholic
for Since i've known, him since we played.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Together and he's finally off of.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
It and he's been off now maybe six or seven,
MONTHS i think, maybe and he looks so much.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
Better he still doesn't talk a whole, Lot he'll.
Speaker 4 (48:49):
Laugh he's moving around, better is not as slow as
he was. Before and and, again this, family The becker,
family has done so much for. Him like he stays
there with, them he would have no place to. Go,
wow he lives there with. Them, no, no no, paid you,
(49:13):
know doesn't pay. Anything he gets his. Meals they're, LIKE
i don't want to say it's like a, child but
he's like he's like a third party in the. Household
and who does, that? Right you, know who's going to
do that for? Him if if if not, them then.
Speaker 5 (49:30):
Who it's a good way to sum it. Up if not,
them then?
Speaker 8 (49:34):
Who that is the big question question, Really and he's
the biggest.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
Guy he's the biggest.
Speaker 4 (49:40):
Guy every signing that we go, to, yeah everybody's, like,
oh It's Tommy. Kramer yeah he. Can he signed his
name same way he used. To you, know it's a
little bit, slower but it's the same audimn you. Know
And i'm telling you.
Speaker 5 (49:56):
Now that you mentioned, HIM i. WANTED i wanted to
bring up SOMETHING i was exploring when WHEN i looked to,
it kind OF i kind of went down a rabbit.
Hole imagine that that never happens when you're on the, internet,
Right SO i get on there AND i looked up
about your, friend and then it it sent me to
a link About Tommy. Kramer and so then WHEN i
look over to the, corner there was another another link To.
(50:16):
Uh it was just it said Sports legends and it
was you, Know, vikings you, Guys and SO i clicked
on it AND i went through the players and lo
and behold there's Car. Lee AND i, said, well why
haven't you talked about? This what you? Know what what
what you guys do in this this ORGAN i don't
know what you call, it like a club an, organization
but can you tell us just a little bit about
(50:38):
how you're involved with the Sports?
Speaker 4 (50:39):
Legends, well it's it's more so a term that they
use for retired. Players, yeah do most teams have this
or just The? VIKINGS i, FIGURED i don't know. That
i've never heard it from anybody. Else, okay you, know,
okay BUT i know that The. VIKINGS i mean THAT'S i,
mean you get referred to that way almost everywhere you,
(51:02):
go like these are The Viking. Legends, yeah you, know that's.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
It's like it is like a club.
Speaker 4 (51:10):
Elite, well anybody who has, retired anybody who is who's there.
Present you're gonna get. That that that's gonna be a
term that you're gonna. Get i've got tons and tons
of shirts that have like, Legends viking legends and stuff like.
Speaker 5 (51:28):
That wait a, minute, hello where's.
Speaker 8 (51:31):
Our, Shirt?
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Matt, well you AND i aren't.
Speaker 8 (51:35):
Legends i'm.
Speaker 4 (51:36):
Sorry, SHOOT i bought my grandson a sweat top WHILE
i was up, there and it just Has Minnesota vikings
because you know they.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
They, yeah you know yet, anyway we don't. Know hopefully
maybe sooner or later we'll be to do. That there you.
Speaker 4 (51:54):
Go but but, yeah the Whole, tommy the Whole Tommy kramer. Thing,
MAN i just think that it's you, know everywhere around the.
League i'm sure almost every team has someone or a
host of players who are in a very tough situation
and yet they some kind of, way grace Of, god
(52:18):
they find themselves back into a good.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Situation but it takes.
Speaker 4 (52:25):
People who, care, absolutely it takes people who, care you,
know The. BECKERS i, MEAN i, mean when you got
a place to, stay a place to take a, bath
take a, shower eat all those kind of, things watch.
Games he's a huge, Gamer like he loves to watch football.
Games and so he's sitting there and eating and watching the.
(52:51):
Game and it's like and again the crazy, thing like
he doesn't say a word watching the. Game he doesn't,
critique he doesn't talk to. You he doesn't say, like
oh that was a bad. Play, yeah he says.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
Nothing strong. Silence it's a strong.
Speaker 4 (53:08):
Salent and he's getting a little bit better because he
smiles and he.
Speaker 5 (53:12):
Laughs, no that was that this past weekend talking about
you were hanging out With, yes we got a chance
to hang.
Speaker 4 (53:18):
Out and So i'm thinking long term like, this this
is really going TO i think gonna help him get
really really better going.
Speaker 5 (53:29):
Forward you, know just keep him.
Speaker 4 (53:31):
Supporting, Yes, Yes LIKE i, said he's got a great support. Team,
yeah with The, beckers that's for.
Speaker 5 (53:37):
Sure, yeah that's. Awesome so you want to talk about
Where i'm Going sunday?
Speaker 2 (53:42):
NIGHT a little?
Speaker 5 (53:43):
BIT a little, BIT a little.
Speaker 8 (53:44):
BIT i think his eyes rolled out of his.
Speaker 4 (53:48):
Skull are we're done with the?
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Show are?
Speaker 5 (53:52):
WE i think we have about five minutes.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
Squeeze in a little. Talk, Okay so for everybody who's,
Listening lisa is going.
Speaker 5 (54:03):
Somewhere i'm actually going to The sunday night football game
The Steelers. Packers my girlfriend AND i bought tickets. Today
we've we've planned. This we planned this trip for like.
Forever like we WENT i think it was about about
two years. Ago The packers went up there and they
lost to. This we went to that game as. Well
but we we saw this on the on THE nfl
(54:25):
schedule and we circled it like we were, Ready we're
ready to.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Roll so you actually have a friend it's A packer fan.
Speaker 5 (54:31):
Too oh, no, no she's A steelers. Fan oh my, GOD
i knew he had to get that dig.
Speaker 8 (54:38):
In Now i'm jealous Because i've never been to A packers, game.
Speaker 5 (54:42):
Never not not even. Away, no, wow this one been
the perfect. Opportunity it's not a bad.
Speaker 7 (54:48):
Drob i've been to SEVERAL nfl, games but yeahs.
Speaker 5 (54:52):
Okay i've been To lambeau once and that was.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
Cool that's. Different that's an.
Speaker 5 (54:56):
Experience, yeah that's a whole. Thing but, yeah but you,
know it's kind of going to be cool because the
game is all about you, know the hype around. It
of course it's the only game you know On sunday. Night,
uh and also just the idea Of Jordan love And
Aaron rodgers playing each other because it's like the teacher
student kind of like vib.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
And and and to that.
Speaker 4 (55:17):
Point you know a lot of times you'd like to
think that the student comes out. BETTER i don't, know,
SEE i you, know.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
You're my thought.
Speaker 4 (55:30):
Process, okay If i'm being taught, something you, know Like i'm, Thinking,
OKAY i want to come out of this, thing AND
i want to be better than the guy who's teaching.
Speaker 5 (55:38):
Me, sure you know there's that. Competition of, course as.
Speaker 4 (55:42):
Much AS i appreciate, it you, KNOW i WANT i
want to BE i want to be better than.
Speaker 5 (55:47):
Them, Yeah and.
Speaker 2 (55:52):
So you don't think like that's gonna, WELL i.
Speaker 5 (55:54):
MEAN i think. THAT i think the media has kind
of built up a lot of hype about this being
a revenge, game you, know like because you, know in twenty,
twenty whenever The packers Drafted Jordan, love you, Know Aaron
rodgers was not. HAPPY a lot of fans weren't. Happy
we thought he needed some you, know to drive that
the organization needed to draft some receivers to help him.
Out and, well now you, know but fast forward to
(56:16):
now to the present. Moment, yes that that was the
best thing that could have happened to The packer. Organization
but you, know it was just it was just strange
because you, know the media is trying to build up,
this you, know calling, it you, know a revenge game
and that you know it's going to, be you, know
a lot of animosity on the, field And Aaron rodgers
kind of came out, lately you, Know impress conferences with
(56:37):
him and, said you know, WHAT i don't have any
animosity toward this, Team like you, Know i'm good with.
It i'm happy to see some guys and you, know
it's not A it's not that way at. All SO
i don't, know we'll SEE i THINK i think what
they say and what they really feel is two different.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Things, yes, yes.
Speaker 4 (56:54):
Okay so WHEN i went to The, saints fortunately or,
unfortunately we ended up playing The, vikings AND i want
to say it was a preseason game, actually and for,
me you, know everything in my, mind this is a.
Game and for everybody WHO i, cover Who i've covered
(57:17):
in one on ones in, Practice i'm gonna shut them.
Down that's you, Know it's just it's JUST i don't
think you can get cut from a, team and it
be okay especially and then play them and because you
already know everybody that that's gonna cover you or, yeah
whatever the case may, be whatever your position, is you
(57:38):
know who they, are you know how, good you know
their their, flaws you know all of, that so you're
gonna use every piece of that to get back at.
Speaker 5 (57:47):
Them, WELL i, MEAN i, MEAN i think that's that's
a good. Point but you know that the defense is
ALSO i, MEAN i don't know how many of the.
PLAYERS i, MEAN i think we've still got quite a,
few but they're gonna kind of Know aaron's moves, too
so it goes both.
Speaker 2 (57:59):
Ways but, right and, yes and and there's age there.
Speaker 5 (58:04):
Too, YEAH i, MEAN i think it's gonna be a great.
Game i'm hoping it is, Anyway and.
Speaker 2 (58:11):
To be, honest it really should.
Speaker 4 (58:12):
WEAR i don't think it should be really a quarterback topic.
GAME i really don't think it should be because, again
you get, yeah, yeah AND i don't think that's really
that's really what's gonna win or lose.
Speaker 5 (58:29):
It i'll Be i'll be WHEN i roll in Next
monday for the, podcast we'll see we'll see WHAT i
look like and feel like and all.
Speaker 4 (58:37):
That all, Right, well we'll look forward to job.
Speaker 2 (58:43):
Job, yeah you call me before you come in. Here,
okay just all, right ladies and, gentlemen we will get
back to you next. Week. Maybe all, right we're out.
Speaker 3 (58:54):
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