MVP: HERO OR HYPOCRITE? or THE PLIGHT OF WRESTLERS AGING OUT (Wrestling Soup 10.23.25)

01:47 – 03:39 | Ticket Prices, TKO Era, and Hidden Fees

Anthony breaks down the dramatic rise in wrestling ticket prices since the TKO era, including the impact of fees and taxes, and how attending live events has become more expensive.

03:39 – 06:00 | The Cost of Entertainment & International Comparisons

Joe and Anthony share stories about the rising costs of entertainment, including ATM fees in the US and abroad, and how price gouging is everywhere.

06:00 – 10:39 | Toy Collecting, Wrestling Figures, and AEW Merch

Anthony recounts stories about rare wrestling toys, the decline in value of AEW merchandise, and the changing landscape of collectibles. The hosts discuss the local comic shop scene and the fate of AEW action figures.

10:39 – 13:36 | MVP’s Critique of Wrestling Journalism

Anthony plays a clip of MVP criticizing wrestling journalism, star ratings, and the disconnect between wrestlers and the media. The hosts analyze MVP’s points and the ongoing debate about wrestling coverage.

13:36 – 22:00 | AEW’s Young Talent, Veteran Advice, and Industry Frustrations

A deep dive into the challenges of getting younger wrestlers to heed veteran advice, the career prospects of AEW stars, and the realities of aging in the business. The hosts debate whether it’s worth trying to change the culture.

22:00 – 25:00 | Billy Gunn, Longevity, and the Next Generation

Anthony and Joe discuss Billy Gunn’s career after 60, his approach to wrestling, and the prospects for his sons in WWE.

25:00 – 28:00 | Andrade, Non-Competes, and Wrestling Contracts

The conversation shifts to Andrade’s career moves, the complexities of non-compete clauses, and the peculiarities of wrestling contracts.

28:00 – 32:00 | Vince Russo, NWA, and Wrestling’s Old Guard

A humorous look at Vince Russo’s potential influence on NWA, the tropes he might bring, and the generational divide in wrestling creative.

32:00 – 36:00 | Goldberg’s Streak, Legacy, and Retirement

Anthony and Joe analyze Goldberg’s recent interview, his obsession with his win streak, and the broader implications for wrestling legacies.

36:00 – 39:00 | Nakamura’s Ambitions, Foreign Heels, and WWE Storylines

Discussion of Shinsuke Nakamura’s goal to become WWE champion, the “foreign heel” trope, and how classic wrestling storylines could be updated for today.

39:00 – End (~1:05:17) | Closing Thoughts, Shoutouts, and Sign-Off

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Wrestling soup.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
I don't develop it.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Wrestling soup. I am Anthony Thomas. He is your excellency,
our excellency, everyone's excellency.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Joke numbers, and I'm so glad it truly has cotton
on now I've seen it. I'm seeing it in commons
on fucking everything now on Spotify and YouTube and all that.
I'm like, you never know it's gonna work. I guess, huh.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
It's nice to have your ego stroked every once in
a while, right yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I mean I think it is to some extent, but
I get the ironic tone of it, and I'm glad
in that way because that matches.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
You know what, there's a lot more people that are
not being ironic.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Oh oh stop, I'm blushing over here. Yeah yeah, yeah, no,
I don't know, man, It's it is very funny to
me because right now, it's like we talked about all
the shit that happened on Raw and Monday was good
and it was relatively all around a pretty fun show.
But like with the exception of just dumbass random little

(01:20):
trinkets of news, it's we really are getting into some
fucking dull times. I mean, we're gonna have seen a
retirement next month, so that'll obviously it's out big one.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Honestly, Yeah, that's a big one. And I mean other
than that, we're going into the holiday season anyways, So
wrestling always kind of takes a little bit of a
dip right now. I mean, yeah, everybody perks up for
Survivor Series and then they go back to their holiday caves.
But yeah, January, you know, end of December, January. Once,

(01:52):
once you get past Christmas, I think that's when wrestling
gets on everybody's radar because you've got Royal Rumbling coming
and then it's Mania season.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
We got more and yeah, you got more interesting marquee
pay per views. Although at the same time, at this point,
I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, all right, so is
this gonna be the last WrestleMania slash Royal Rumble before
they all start just becoming international shows? So should we
really be leaning into it, Like, all right, Americans, this

(02:22):
is your last gasp of big WWE shows aside from
when they make up bullshit ones.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Well, I mean, this is what's going to factor into it.
I was reported earlier. I think it was Jeff Flippman's
favorite guy Brandon Thurston of Russell Namis who did the
graph of ticket prices from nineteen ninety nine to twenty
twenty five, and basically they determined that ticket sales have
doubled since the TKO era has begne an average of

(02:52):
from forty one to sixty two dollars is kind of
the inflation over twenty years, which is fantastic. I mean,
when you think about how much everything else elevated in price,
Going from forty one dollars in nineteen ninety nine to
sixty two now is really generous of Vince from back.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
In the day. Oh no, I think that when Vince
was still pricing these tickets, they were fairly, like you said,
on the level.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, twenty one things were. It only went up twenty
one bucks, that's all it did, which which I mean
it is, you know, fifty percent more than what you
were paying in ninety nine. But when you factor in
it was over twenty years that it was gradually going
up like a dollar a fucking year. That's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
It was a fucking quarter for a taco in nineteen
ninety nine. You know, like, I think we can I
think we could give WWE a break now, It's like
you go to Taco Bell and they're like, that's forty
two dollars. You're like, what, how did that happen? Right?
I thought you guys were a cheap, shitty place. They're like, no,
such thing. That doesn't exist anymore.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Since yeah, the TKO era began though, Joe in twenty
twenty three. I guess technically in twenty twenty five, we
are here and tickets on average are one hundred and
eighteen dollars. So that's what the averages were before, forty
one to sixty two dollars for twenty plus fucking years,
and in literally a year, year and a half, those

(04:20):
prices are now an average of one eighteen, meaning that yeah,
you might find tickets cheaper than one hundred and eighteen
dollars for a house show or whatever random show that
they have overseas.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
But which the house shows are now overseas pretty much, right,
that's it? Like yeah, yeah, so dude, I think that,
you know, all things considered, all things fair at this point,
and it's like as fair as you can be when
you're dealing with a billion dollar multinational fucking corporation. I

(04:54):
think even one hundred dollars a ticket at this point, fine, fine,
one hundred bucks? All right? Am I thrilled about it?
I know? Am I thrilled about it? No?

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Not any we're not factoring in something and thanks to
Oki in the chat, but you're not factoring in all
the junk fees, all the ticket master fees too. So
even though this is an average of one hundred and
eighteen dollars for the face value of a ticket, you
may as well tack on another fifty percent for ticket masters.
You know, reason to exist clause that they attack in

(05:28):
every fucking ticket, and then you put on taxes on
top of that, and then you put on like what
is a concession fees and shit like these tickets one
hundred and eighteen would probably be the bare bottom price
for the nose bleediest of tickets now.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Right until you start getting then fees. Dude. I'll never
forget this because I think that when you try to
explain just how much fucking gouging we do Stateside on everything.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Pretty more, dude, it's everywhere. I mean, we talked at
an aussy guy too that was saying that the tickets
were getting gouged. It's and it's not just it's just
not wrestling. It's it's everything. It's concerts, sporting events, it's
everything everybody.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Well, I mean, even the life minutia. Like I like
when we were in Bar Harbor, when we were on
the cruise in Maine, we got off there and I'll
never forget here and a guy and I was pretty
sure it was a British guy, and he was at
the atm and he they charged you to take your

(06:32):
own money out. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, welcome to America, motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Right.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
It's just the sound of it. They charge you to
take your own money out, Like yeah, buddy, oh yeah.
If they can find a way to scrape three bucks
off you, they're gonna fucking do it. But that's it.
Like that's why, like I said, even though I'm not
thrilled at the idea of it being a one hundred

(06:59):
bucks to go to a wrestling show nowadays, with how
big of a fucking rip off everything is, if it
was just around one hundred dollars, I'd be like, all right,
I guess.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Robbie Richmond in the chat our fellow British guy here,
he says, as a fillow British, they charge us here
to use ATMs ATMs here too. Yeah, So I don't
know what.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
I don't know. Maybe he wasn't Maybe I don't know
where he was from in the world, but boyle boy,
the sound of his voice, the pure shock of the
idea of somebody charging him to use an ATM, I
was like, Oh, yeah, this guy's not fucking Wherever the
hell he's from.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
It might have been Australian.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Oh yeah, Well, I'll tell you this much. If you
were Australian and you found your way to Maine, that's
quite of That is quite a voyage.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
You might be pro and read Jesus. I actually got
done watching a he did a toy interview. So he
was at some Dallas toy store that has a huge
like a huge YouTube channel, and I guess it's one
of the biggest toy stores in America. But he was
down there, and I guess there was other guys too,
like Caane and others that had been there before him,
but he was just checking it out and it was
There was a couple of things that he revealed during

(08:11):
this like little interview slash, Hey, look at all this
shit kind of thing, and you know, the tribal thief
was his idea. Stealing the sneakers and putting that on
a shirt was his idea. And it's funny too because
I love the guy and I'm just thinking the whole time, no,
come on.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Man, Like.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
You know what though, And.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
I'm sure he's a wonderful, lovely person. He sure seems
that way. Yeah, but he reads as a kind of
fucking cornball. He seems like kind of a corny, dorky guy.
He's just a big guy, but like he happens to
be a dork. Like that's so you're telling me, yeah,
he's got something of him walking around being like, oh

(08:58):
my god, the honkey talk man an should figure that
didn't surprise.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah, So he collected a few things, right, Like one
of the rare things he got was an Ultimate Warrior
water gun that they sold back in the fucking eighties.
I never saw it before, and he's like, oh, I've
never had anything grated before, So I thought that was
kind of neat. But the weird thing that he grabbed
because it's kind of like they used to do that
with records. I used to talk about that the interview
show that Poppy did. She'd walk around the record store

(09:23):
grabbing shit they'd ask you to explain why you grabbed
what you grabbed. And the weird thing he grabbed was
a Norphin troll, you know those little Swedish or those
those weird German norphantrols with the hair.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
I just like, like a treasure troll.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Yeah, I don't like that, right, Yeah, And it threw
me off because I'm like, wow, that's a wild thing
to collect, especially all the way down in Australia. I
didn't I guess I didn't realize how deep the reach
was of those things. But yeah, he was. He was
proud of grabbing that. I was like, oh, well, that's
definitely not something I see in too many wrestling fans collections.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
So that's that would be really fucking funny to see
this giant man like that, right with this huge barrel
chest and he's just twirling at the hair of a
fucking treasure troll. It's very cute. I find it very cute.
I find it adorable even I just kind I look
at it's a little smile, little smile. It's lovely.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
They were talking about how rare his figure is. I
guess they only made two ringside collectible figures for him
and It's the last figure that he had was in
twenty twenty three, and considering he's been on TV in
a lot more of a prominent way, he's kind of like, well,
what the fuck Mattel, Like, seriously, you know, you put
all these other people and you dig people up just
to make figures of them, and here you have a

(10:43):
guy that's literally on TV every week and he hasn't
had a new figure in over three years.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
So I hope, now, I hope they take a treasure
troll and put a singlet on it and pull its
air back and.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
I go, there you go, a little one man gang
out fit. Great. But yeah, I mean, yeah, go on.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
I'm a brother. Well no, I mean, like, I like
broads and a lot, so that's kind of funny. But yeah,
that's that. They're all just like dorky dudes. Now, oh,
like I all the wrestlers are that. I mean, I
guess I I'd almost prefer that though, to like the
Grayson Waller act that he does, you know, where he's like, yeah,

(11:24):
I'm just cool guy. You get I'm getting pussy fucking
and I'm just like, eh, I think you're also full
of shit. But that's that's Okay, I don't know. It's like,
what would you rather have the husky dork or the
fake Jersey Shore Australian guy in twenty twenty five. I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
But r It also asks, He's like a genuine question.
He's like, is there still a market for wrestling toys?
Does do the in cel still? You know? Collect or
has the bottom fallen out like Funko pops? You know.
I'll say this, I bought a couple people some wrestling
figures for their Christmas basket this year, and I will say,

(12:06):
and I guess I could publicly just fucking say it. Man,
the Jade Cargill aw Action figures going for a dollar
at Ross Chef's kiss, Oh shit, a whole dollar. And
it was like, how bad do you have to sell
when you're in the clearance section at a fucking Ross,

(12:29):
Like that's one step before just throwing it in the garbage.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
That's like, yeah, we got the space for this. Well,
did you did you see the clip that I posted
where the missus sent it to me where she was
at like a it's called the Savers. It's basically the
same thing as like a Salvation Army or any of
that and there was just racks on racks on racks
of full AW trading cards.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Oh yeah, AW shit is worthless. Yeah, it is fucking worthless.
I see comic book stores that used to have walls,
Like there's a local place I used to go to
called Smash and they would have like like the entire
back wall was just nothing but AW figures. And then
more and more I came in, I'd see the wall

(13:13):
getting smaller and smaller, and I'm like, oh, do the
hose sell really well? He's like no, I just got
to make room for other stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
It's just don't let anybody ever tell you that you're
not the glass half full guy, right, all right, right,
They're like, oh, I may maybe people are just really
remembering how much they like Burt Baker and they're buying
all those figures.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Chicago is fucking weird about AW. Like if this was
the middle of like you know, New York or something
and be like, oh, it's just not selling, I would
immediately think the worst. But Chicago has this weird attachment
to AW, believing that AW is our promotion, and I
just I don't like it. I don't like that vibe.

(13:59):
I don't like that feeling. But I'm curious if there's
enough you know, basement dwellers that like AW that come
out to shit all over the seats, if they too
were spending big dollars on AW merch because members support AW.
But no, it just seems like even the local comics
stores and people that deal with flipping shit just want

(14:20):
nothing to do with it. And when you have mainstream
or manor stream fucking stores like a Ross or Burlington
all flipping this shit on their clearance rack for a dollar,
it's like, Wow, this shit isn't even worth putting up
on eBay, Like that's how bad it is, brand new inpackage,
not worth it.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
So well, this is where you know you end up
in this place too, where I know that the conversation
of maybe it was last week for people was Meltzer
saying the whole thing about dom and being like, oh, yeah,
there's you know, Russaf wouldn't lose to these people. It
ain't w but he lose a dominic mysterio. There's so

(15:00):
much better than them, and it's just like, god, man,
you really are just living deep in your own asshole
at that point.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah, actually I was. I was really proud of MVP.
I don't know if you got a chance to see
him though, but he you know, without mentioning names, but
mentioning stars. He really took a fucking slice out of
Dave's ass.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
No, I don't know what. Was it an actual promo
on the show or well.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
No, no, no, it's an interview here I'm playing the
clip oh be behind the.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Curtain, you know.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
The everybody wants to know how the magician does his tricks.
I get that, But as a wrestler, I feel like
these people make a living off my career, but my
business they take and they give nothing. And I don't see.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
I do see.

Speaker 4 (15:48):
Like I said, for the younger wrestlers, I just don't
professionally speaking, what happens in the booking room, what happens
in the locker room should stay in the locker room
should stay.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
You know, in in in the office.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
It shouldn't be fodder for fans. And in my opinion,
you know, they call themselves journalists, it's yellow journalism. It's
rumor and innuendo, gossip disguised as journalism. Because I've read
so many things through the years reported about me that were.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Just abjectly false.

Speaker 5 (16:27):
Just there's no truth.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
At all, and every now and again there's a kernel
of truth.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
But I don't.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
Want to talk.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Well, you know, he's he's he's got to be smart
about this, right, because he does make a mention to
the star references a little bit later and stuff, and
I don't know if we'll get to that part of
the clip. But he still works for a w and
it's no fucking secret that Tony and fucking Dave or
BD buddies at this point. So the fact that he
has to be careful about he has to be diplomatic

(17:02):
about what he says and almost make this blanket statement saying, oh,
it's all the journalists. Now, we we know exactly who
your referencing. We know we understand.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah, he's doing the both sides sism on something when
we all know it's like, now, that's right, we know
who the We know who the fuck you're talking about
when you're saying star ratings and making things up and
people have been doing it for years, well we know
who you're doking.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
And to summarize this, and I mean, I guess I
could go more, but I'll just summarize this. The reason
why this is coming about was because there's later on
in the conversation where he talks about, you know, some
of these kids are doing way too many kickouts in
their matches in AW and it's like he's telling the
slow down, stop doing that. MVP is also telling people like, look,
stop performing for an audience of one, and he means

(17:50):
Dave or Tony maybe in that sense, but probably somebody
like Dave, since Dave has such influence. And it's kind
of like, yeah, he's smartening just not even just the
fans out, but he's smartening up other wrestlers that he
works with or that are in the AW company to
the idea that, look, this is about performing for an audience.

(18:11):
Just because you make one guy wet doesn't mean overall
and this is just me summarizing what I feel his
thoughts were. Doesn't mean that this should be what you
aspire your matches to be. You know, like there's a
there's a lot of layers to it where he's also
talking about, look, you know, stop doing everything in the ring,
throwing everything out there because you're fighting against yourself, which

(18:33):
is something that he explained to Kyle Fletcher before, who
Kyle Fletcher kind of got it from him to you know,
stop stop trying.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
To Yeah, I don't think he got it.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Well, that was one of the people that he talked
to about it, so there was a point of time
where you know, MVP actually had to discuss it with
him and this is just all going based upon his conjecture.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
But yeah, so I don't know. It's it's very funny
to me. And I mean this like speaking on how
he is bringing this topic up in twenty twenty five. Man,
aren't we done? Is this conversation done yet? Especially with
like the ai AW style younger wrestlers where people are

(19:17):
like yeah, you know, like I'm telling them to slow down,
I'm telling them to kick out less. It's like, brother,
just this fucking tale as old as time. At this point,
my god, this fucking you know, they're maybe they'll get there.
No they're not. They're never going to get there. That's

(19:38):
not going to happen. And that's not saying like we
should then all just be you know, well those are
some great wrestling. Just realize these people are fucking dumb
and they don't care.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Well, I think somebody has to do it right. Like
back in the day, we heard about guys like Regal
and Jim Ross and other people getting ignored, right, Billy Gahn, Like,
there's all these different veterans that have been around that
we've seen, and obviously more notably guys like Cody and
specifically see him punk and to the endgame more so,

(20:09):
that have been ignored by these younger wrestlers. And we've
heard about the women kind of ignoring some of the
veteran advice and stuff like that. So MVP coming out
here publicly saying, look, this is what I've talked about.
This is me trying to impart what I've learned over
the years on these younger guys. I think it's another

(20:29):
way of him kind of showing how mature or how
much more responsible he's become in these later years of
his life, as opposed to just being a guy that says,
fuck it, I don't want to deal with you people.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
You know, well, I get it, and I respect the effort.
But this guy has to know by now, man, Like,
he's got to know. People have been having this conversation,
people who've been around wrestling that are older with kids
that are younger, being like, it's it's getting or it's

(21:02):
past the point of complete idiocy. You gotta If you
don't stop, this whole thing is gonna be a fucking failure.
And they're like, hmmm, Julie noted, And then they go
and do it for another five to ten fucking years.
It's like they're not learned that they're not changing. These
people aren't changing.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
But and so what do you do in that point? Right?
Is MVP in the wrong here for still making that
attempt because it's a dead it's not even a dying
cause at this point, it's just a fucking dead dog.
Or do you praise the guy for still keeping at
it even though he knows probably people that he respects

(21:41):
have been ignored by the younger town. Fuck Rick Flair
was ignored.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
There.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
There was others like how many times did we report
report sorry, how many times did we reiterate those stories
that we heard about all these these wrestling veterans getting ignored.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Right breaking news? Hey w w restless babies? Uh yeah, no, dude.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
It's Arnie. That's a good one, yeah, Arnie.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Arn Punk like all these people, and there's always some
sort of new excuse as to why you shouldn't listen
to them. Dude. This is shit that people do when
they're young, because there is shit. I'm sure you and
I did as guys when we were young. We're like, oh,
I fucking know, I don't even listen to these dumb asses.
These people don't know better of me. Except now we're

(22:28):
getting to the point that these are like thirty five
year old men and forty year old men who've wrestled
for twenty years. Like MVP is probably still looking at
Brian Cage going can you fucking stop? And he's like stop,
what right? What do you mean? I don't get it?
Like there's only so many times you can fucking try

(22:50):
to explain something to people who are never ever going
to get it and they don't care. But then again,
it's like he signed up for this, he signed a dumb,
dumb company. Yeah, yes, he knows what he signed up for,
miss you know, like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Well, maybe he's he was underneath the illusion that maybe
his voice would be heard differently, right, Maybe that was it.
Maybe that was the reason the MVP went over there too.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Maybe he's, well, let me ask you this, then, who's failing?
Is it? At that point the people that are too
dumb to listen to anybody, and everybody knows it or
the guy who thinks he's so super special that he's
going to change these dumb dumbs minds.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
It's the promoter for not recognizing the real problem, the
underlying problem of these kids just doing whatever the fuck
whenever the fuck they want, you know, and you're right,
they're aging themselves out. They're thirty five years old. Now
where do they expect to go after AW? You think
WWE wants to handle a lot of these guys. Probably not.
I mean, they got they pick off random people here

(23:52):
and there, and they'll put them in NXT and stuff,
and they do well for themselves. But the reality is
is who's been the breakout star from AW shown up
in WWE? How much value is a guy like MJF
going to have when AW stops signing those contracts.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Truthfully, I think by the time that he is done
with that company, he'll be pretty much done with wrestling.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
I'm just you don't mean he's going to be on
aj styles where he works twenty years for TNA and
another twenty for WWE.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
No, I mean just just based off of my own
hearsay and conjecture, allegedly a part of the reason why
we're not wrestling all the time to begin with, is
not just because we're the smartest dude around and we're
just taking Tony Kahan for all this money. But physically,
I guess, you know, he's already feeling it. Dude's already

(24:49):
feeling it in his bones. And he's like, what not
even thirty. So he's going to make a lot of money.
He's going to wrestle six or seven times probably a
fucking year. It feels like at this point he's got
like the Roman reign schedule. Uh, as a guy that's
fucking barely done anything. And by the time that aw
eventually you know, passes in whatever capacity you want to

(25:13):
call it that, I'm sure ww he'll probably go there
to give it to try. He'll probably go there to
try to you know, pad his not income, but you know,
his legacy or add to or whatever the fuck it is.
But truth be told, like I said, he'll be more
physically beat up by then. He won't be the young,

(25:34):
dynamic guy anymore. He'll just be another thirty five year
old guy. Right, and he's five foot six. I mean,
he's gonna stand in the ring and look like what's
his name, Dragon Lee? Right, Like they're gonna be like, oh,
here he comes, just coming to get you, and it's like,
not for what, dude, He's gonna go fucking what the

(25:56):
lollipop lands? Where is he gonna fucking take me?

Speaker 6 (25:58):
No?

Speaker 3 (25:58):
Like, no, I agree with you. I think think that
he's very limited. I think once he leaves AW, all
of his lure will be gone. He will be eviscerated
in w Fuck not even in w W. If he
goes down to NXT, he'll get eviscerated. I don't think
that MJF is good enough to hack it in WWE Land,
even with their crazy prices. I don't think he's going

(26:20):
to bring a lot of fans with him. I think
there will be an initial interest when he shows up,
and then that's it. He'll just peter away.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
He he can't even do he. I think that he
is talented enough to adjust his in ring work and
some of his mic work, but all of the shit
that people I think he's so over for and he's
so popular for, He's not going to be able to.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Go to WW. He's going to be a Johnny Gargano.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Come on, yes, who can talk? Who can talk? But like,
is he going to be able to stand in the
middle of the ring and be like you're you're a
stupid bitch and I'm gonna get real personal with you,
Like no, under that's the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
Do you think those adw fans look at him as
a younger version of a Chris Jericho where they think
that he could hang like Chris Jericho did back way
way back in the day with the likes of the
Undertaker and the Rock And.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
If I remember correctly, even Chris Jericho's transition to WWF
at the time was not perfect either. No, he still struggled.
Rob van Dam like his he struggled transitioning over to
being a WWF like.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Well, they did transition him during like the worst possible
time and way that Entragle was awful.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Well, I mean just even in ring like that was
a big because people were all coming to the back
of being like this guy just keeps kicking and punching
me directly in the fucking face. And he was like, oh,
I thought that's how we did it, and they're like, no,
stop hurting us, we don't like it, and he's like, ah,

(28:00):
I thought there was a level of pain that we
were all just supposed to tolerate. They're like, yes, but
not that obviously dumb fuck uh yeah, I don't know.
I look at someone like MJF even there is no
what Adam Page. Give me a fucking break. Imagine if
Adam Page showed up on WWEDV, he'd be fucking He

(28:22):
wouldn't even be Austin's theory. Yeah, people look at it.
Andy be like, eh, sure, all right.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Speaking of old and broken down a little bit, Billy
Billy Good talks about being one of the active wrestlers
past the age of sixty. He said, the wrestling move wise,
they all want to see the famouser. But my hip
started hurting, and I was like, what is that from?
Oh yeah, thirty five years of landing on the same
spot night after night. My biggest fear is that when

(28:51):
I wrestle, now, what I have to get past is God.
I hope I don't get hurt. I won't be able
to train. That's like the number one thing that gets
in my head. It's like, Okay, I want to do
a bunch of this because if I get hurt or
something tweaks, then I won't be able to get off
to the gym and lyft and if I can't do that,
I will lose my mind. I still pretty much do
everything that I do. I never really did a lot.

(29:14):
Now when I get in the ring, it's more for
nostalgia purposes for people to see. It's more for parents
that have kids to go, hey, this is the guy
I grew up on, and I can still see him live.
I didn't do a bunch of stuff. I don't not work,
but I'm very particular of who I work with because
nowadays people just go to wrestling school and think that
they're John Cena for some reason. They think that they're

(29:35):
all good and all of a sudden, they say, hey,
I'm going to do this, and I go, you ain't
doing that to me. I'm not trusting you to turn
me upside down, and I hope that you can hold
me when you're one hundred pounds soaking wet. That's insane.
I don't even know why you thought.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
That's truly sounds like him, which is even better. I
love this. This is.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
I stay away from doing that crazy things that I
don't need to do.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
So, yeah, he's dude. He's a great guy. He really is.
It's like it's very funny, where like in the past,
we had the whole fucking thing with him and him
cheating and the and like how funny that was. And
then I encountered him and I'm like, actually, kind of
fucking rules, like I did. I did what two yeah,

(30:20):
two shows, did a car trip with him, and I'm
just like, yeah, this guy is fucking great. Like he's
just a really really fucking nice dude. He even took
I remember we were busting Like I've told this story before,
we were busting his balls about Baron Corby because we
had no idea. Yeah, we had no idea that he
trained him at the time. And we were talking about
the mindset of the big men wrestling because one of

(30:42):
the guys in the car with us is a bigger guy.
And I'm like, yeah, he like that fucking idiot Baron
Gorbin and something like that, and he was like, hey,
I trained. They were like, well, man, I don't know
to tell you he fucking sucks. He's like, nah, he's
a nice kid, he's a nice guy. Eyes he's trying
to learn. This was a million years ago, but like, no,

(31:03):
he's he's awesome. He's a really really fucking good dude.
But yeah, he should probably start winding down. I feel
bad that his kids are trapped in that fucking a
w purgatory. They gotta let's out of there.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
That's why he's still sticking around too, Like that's got
to be the major proponent, is keeping Daddy Khan happy
or I guess Daddy conn Daddy Tony Gez, Daddy Tony.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Hey, my son's daddy Tony. Uh yeah, I know. I
think his kids could go to annext.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
They're still young enough. Absolutely, And that's all this is
to this is there, this is their initial training ground,
you know.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yeah at Lightnings asking is are they any good? I'm
they're certainly not bad compared to a lot of people. Yeah,
going into the training, like going into a training program
in WWE, they would be one of the better ones
because they've got a lot more experience than a lot
of them. They got decent personalities, they got a good look,

(32:08):
they got size like that, they would do well for themselves.
But now you're probably right, he's probably just hanging around
there for the most part, just so that way Tony
won't completely either forget about the kids or let their
contracts laps. You know, he can he can nudge them
and say, oh, did you remember to sign Colton or whatever?
The fucking I don't know. They need to get the

(32:30):
fuck out of there though, those two, and probably Billy too.
Billy should be training people down in the performance center
because he's wasted his time in that shitty company.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Well, talking more about I guess aw talent, Andrade finally
comments on teaming with Ray Phoenix during his final weeks
in WWE. Now, now forgive my Spanish because this is
going to be awful. Esta cabron so angel wando estebanoslucando

(33:00):
siempre estebamos pla platando di historas e ke va a
kenar des pusse. That's that's boys.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Fucking dude, I didn't know I was on the line
with Bad Bunny, right yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Jere estebanos tranquillos pensado and que nuevees cosas his area
nos he he simos buenos carnatas, which basically means Phoenix
brought out my angel. When we were wrestling, we always
talked about the stories and what we were going to
eat for dinner. Later. We were always relaxed and thinking

(33:38):
about new things to do. We became good friends. So
this is what he's doing now that he's got time,
He's got time to roam around the United States on
that clock, you know.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
So well, I thought it was funny because somebody, somebody
left a comment where they were like, why are you
guys assuming that he's it would be cocaine he would
get in trouble for. I'm like, well, considering everybody's getting
scripts for tests now and they don't fucking fire people
for weed. And I don't think he looks like he's
into heroin. I'm just filling in some blanks, you know,

(34:13):
you know, like meth. What do you think. I'm like, yeah,
I'm going with the party drug. That's just my guess.
But no, dude, I'm sure that Andrade is like a
nice enough, decent dude. But talk about just completely screwing yourself.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Oh yeah, for sure. I mean it's a bad situation
for the guy. I really I saw a couple of
comments that said that he definitely isn't a citizen of
the US, even though he was married to Charlotte. So
I don't know if there's any weight behind that. But
when we were talking about that, that was one of
the questions that you brought up. You're like, well, isn't
he a citizen now that he's married to Charlotte? Couldn't

(34:51):
find anything online. Don't really know, but people are chiming
back in saying, no, he's not a citizen.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
So crazy because he was here for a long time,
he was married, he consistently worked.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
He clearly had to citizen like that. That's what I
wondered too, is like, why wouldn't you have his dull citizenship?
But I don't know, man, So.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah, I well believe me. I know that they make
people fucking wait and wait and wait. But just like
anything else in the world, you go, I have money,
and they go, you don't even have to wait as much.
Not a problem, you know, Oh who is this year related?
You're you're working for this giant fucking company. Oh well,
all of a sudden, we're more capable of speeding that

(35:33):
process along for you, you know, which is another thing
that we're really good at. It's like, hey, you want
to buy the fast pass, Hey you want the first
class seat, while everybody else that's with their knees and
their fucking gums not a problem. So you'd think that
they would be able to just say, hey, been married,
Hey work for WWE and you know, have been here forever,

(35:55):
haven't gotten in any trouble. Just don't ask me to
pee in the cup, and you know, here's your shit.
But I don't know. I mean, even if he does decide,
like he's like, eh, I'm just gonna go to Mexico
or whatever, and you know he could compete there, I'm
assuming still like this whole year long non complete noncompete clause,

(36:16):
it still seems kind of gray. Like I I feel
like I'm hearing something different about it every time it's
mentioned where it's like, no, he can't work anywhere doing anything,
and I'm like, really, well, maybe Mexico. I'm like, okay,
well what is it then?

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Right? You know, I don't understand either. That's not really
been clarified by anybody, But I don't know. I mean,
I saw, I think Vince Russo or somebody pulled out
old contracts. Maybe it was Jim and fucking Jim Cornett
and Brian Last. That Brian Last I think was reading
off some contracts too, but nothing current, nothing directly from Andrade.
But you know, speaking of weird contracts too, I didn't

(36:56):
realize that Samantha Irvin's non co compete was two years.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
So yeah, I saw that too, but I didn't know
any of the details. Is there an actual like well,
an article about it with real information or she.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Openly says on Twitter she says, it's one year down,
one year left on my non compete. She's actually celebrating
her one year now, can't wait. I hope you enjoy
my songs in the meantime and look back on all
the memories as I fondly do love and miss you all,
and remember I never left for music. I am music.
Hope to see you soon. So it's this weird thing

(37:33):
that she is a two years Jesus.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Well, this is it? Somebody saying, well, they think she's
fucking around with people or she's trolling them or whatever
the fuck it is. It's like, what do we get?
What is she getting out of it at that point?
Do you know what I mean? Like, what is actually
being accomplished if she decided to just fuck with people
and be like, yeah, no, that's really what it is.
But also at the same time, I I guess it's

(38:00):
because she left so abruptly, right like they they say
to you, hey, yeah you can walk out the door,
but uh, you're fucked right. We ain't got shit to
do for a long time, then lady have fun? Uh yeah,
this whole thing of her being like, well now I
only have one year. It's like, so we're just expecting you.

(38:23):
Then you're just gonna go to a w I assume, right.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
I mean this, after this amount of time, where else
is she gonna go? If WW is not going to
hire her back after two years? Like, where is she
gonna go? And why would you want to go back
to WWE after they fired you? Made you sit on
your ass for two years, then they give you a
call like where's she going to go? To? Vince Russo's NWA?

(38:47):
Did you see.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
That shit that happened?

Speaker 3 (38:49):
I was listening to K one hundred with Disco and
Conan and they were kind of discussing it. I guess
Vince Russo has a new job, and I guess Disco
immediately thought that he was going to work with MLW
and Conan is like, well, where the fuck did you
hear that? I don't know if it was Discover for
it was the other guy. So I'm just paraphrasing what
I remember here, But you know, Conan is like, where

(39:11):
where did you hear that that Vince Russo's going to MLW,
and he brought up like the relationship between Vince Russo
and Court Bauer or something like that, and then Conan
kind of smartened him up. He's like, no, Vince Russo
had a good relationship with Billy Corrigan and so there
might be there might be a Vince Russo booking of

(39:33):
NWA in the future.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
So, oh my god, piss meat shit. Yeah, that's god,
that's a horrible idea. Good fucking good.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Well, Vince Russo knows how to save wrestling guys. We
just he hasn't had enough chances yet. I think that's
what it is.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
He needs something. I think you're right. I think on
opportunity four hundred and fifty, right, that will be it. Which,
by the way, at this point too, all of these guys,
not all of them, but a lot of the ones
from that you know, WWE, WCW, like their whole thing,
your Shant Douglas's and there was all predicated off you know,

(40:15):
get out of the way. Old man incomes is the cool,
young hip guy. It's like, yeah, you guys are all
sixty now, right, you're sixty, So even if you're sitting
around being like, let me tell you, I got my
finger on the pulse. It's like, what because you saw
some people do the six seven meme on the fucking

(40:37):
on Instagram or something like you think like you're like, oh, no,
I know what the kids are into or whatever. It's like, no,
you don't. You're sixty stop.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
All right, all right, right, let's let's be fair. Let's
play a game. One thing, if Vince Russo goes to
NWA and is there head booker, head of creative what
is one thing that Vince Russe absolutely brings with him
dame No, no, no, like like ideas or something like that,

(41:09):
Like what what what does he bring?

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Like?

Speaker 3 (41:10):
What is a Vince russoism that goes with him to
the n.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
W A failure?

Speaker 3 (41:18):
I got send the chat with Ethling failure Mustang loyalist says,
Carnage Lightning says Crash TV. That's a good one. America,
Lucid Dream says David Arcuat. Wow, shit, swollen mustache says
his faith. Oh oh some Christianity, yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Billy Corgans christ Wrestling mm hmmm.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Oh, Lace of Kids says bro of course. Don Reynolds
says Jeff Jarrett. Oh, if he could, if he could,
Drewiardi says, he brings a list of bros. Who else?
Mad Mech says on a pole matches, Oh that's a
good one. Maurice Bear kind of hits the nail on

(42:08):
the head for me. He says, women hot women hot?

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, oh who could ever? Wow? How did you put
that together?

Speaker 3 (42:15):
Boobies? He's gonna bring boobies to once again.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Though this is a sixty year old fucking boomerass like
walking into like with the nineties mentality.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Do you imagine could you imagine Vince Russo, Like you
got all these hot women like a Stephanie Verker and
all these these other like gorgeous women, and he's like,
not top heavy enough. What we need is a debor
that's what we need. We need some girls to get
like nineteen nineties silicone implants, triple E. Please.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Yeah, he couldn't, dude, And I know he said shit
like this before, so I'm not even just like pulling
this out of you know, my ass are conjecture or
any of that, but like, I know, this guy has
basically been shown the way that women wrestle and look
now and he's just like Oh yeah, that's great. Can

(43:08):
we put them in jello? And it's just like, yeah, dude,
you are a fucking this is antiquated dinosaur shit. And
for all the people like well Jim Cornett wants wrestling
to make sense, so he's old and doesn't know any better,
I'm like, he's not the guy wasn't a complete one

(43:28):
like Vince Russel is a one trick pony, all right.
He was fantastic for nineteen ninety six when you could
just be like wet T shirt contest, Yeah, edgy backwards hats,
eyebrow rings, new metal, and people were like, this is phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
Fred Durst opens up the edge.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Of it, which, by the way, and no shade, no
meanness whatsoever. But I have no idea what if he
died of natural causes or whatever, But like olymp Biscuits
Basis passed away this week, and it's like it could
have very well have been of natural causes. That's the

(44:15):
age of these people now. Like when you're sitting there
going man like Fred Durst and he's like, I'm a
fucking tough guy and I'm at the Woodstock and I'm
like everyone in the crowd at that Woodstock has had
a colonoscopy. They're old, We're old. Like move on from you.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Know, like speaking of old guys that can't move on.
Joe Bill Goldberg had an interesting interview this week where
he talked about his streak.

Speaker 7 (44:45):
What kind of moron would a human being be if
a guy goes go out and beat him in thirties?

Speaker 1 (44:52):
No, no, listen. I want to wrestle like everyone else.
I want to chain wrestle. I want to be out
there twenty minutes and I want to tell a story.
My story is the Mike Tyson.

Speaker 7 (45:04):
You have no idea what's gonna happen in this next
minute and a half or five minutes or two minutes
or thirty second whatever.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
That was my gig. So why in God's name what
I want to do? What other people do?

Speaker 3 (45:17):
What was your streak? You want? Like?

Speaker 5 (45:18):
What one hundred and seventy something?

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Who's he talking to here, mish?

Speaker 3 (45:23):
This is a Mike Burke Real talk, Mike Burke on location,
and it's it's this guy, Mike Burke and Goldberg sitting
at a table with a giant with I don't know,
some kind of automatic rifle with a silencer on it
and a scope that's like on the table next to
like a bowl full of like candy because it's Halloween,

(45:44):
and then a green screen backdrop of just random cars
that aren't actually there, so it looks like he's in
a garage. Well, that suspicious guy with shit, Jesus Christ,
I fucked that up, bless you.

Speaker 7 (45:56):
I have no idea what I'm gonna encounter when I
come home from He's got my spot seventeen hundred horse fires.
I'm just trying to relax, Jesus Christ, that I could
do in you know, the period of time that I had.

Speaker 5 (46:10):
And so I like, is the Mike Tyson.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
Isn't that ridiculous?

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Well, I nobody's ever going to be done.

Speaker 7 (46:19):
They already did. Who did some girl at WW? They
did it on purpose? No, yeah, I have no nothing
against the girl by any means.

Speaker 5 (46:27):
But yeah, yeah. The whole WW.

Speaker 7 (46:29):
Experience was always you know, because I was a part
of WCW when we were kicking their ass in the
Monday and night wore was and I didn't know what
was going on at the time. I was just on
one of the sides. And now one side dissolved and
the other one consumed everything, and so they can treat
everyone and anybody everything the way they want, and I

(46:53):
think there's always going to be the stigma, not the stigma,
There's always going to be the burr and their ass
that I was part of a company that you know,
in a very short period of time, I was the
champion and we were beating him in the ratings, or
you just suck.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
I mean, imagine taking the streak. Seriously, he actually believes
that he wrestled one hundred and seventy three flawless matches,
and not only that, but to just throw away Oscar's
streak as some kind of a slight to him, as
if Oscar didn't deserve the streak that she had at
the time, as if she is in a fantastic wrestler

(47:34):
and works her ass off. Is just a wild pitch,
Just a wild fucking pitch coming from Bill Goldberg. It's like, dude,
he thirty seconds before this, he admitted, why in the
fuck would I wrestle the match? I was a gimmick.
I went out there for thirty seconds and collected a
paycheck to then flip over, not even a fucking minute later,

(47:57):
to flip over and go, yeah, they had my streak
beaten by some girl, you.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Know, yes, And and by the way him saying that,
and I know he was responding to the interview being
like that'll never get beaten or whatever. But like him
responding to that, he takes that. He's pretending like that
he takes that shit.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Oh it's one hundred and seventy something, you know, Like, yeah,
it's one hundred and seventy three, you know that. Come on,
if anybody.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Kills this thing, do Yeah, he takes that shit real,
like he thinks he did that. I think he thinks
that he did that.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
It's a part of it. Yeah, that still is like
my streak. It's like your streak, A bunch of people
lost you dude, That's what it was. It's fake.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Your streak was fake. It was somebody I forgot who
it was. There was some show that broke it down.
Like how many matches he would have had in between
each match that you saw on TELEVI It was like
he would have had to have wrestled like six times
a week, you know, in five days. It's like, oh, yeah,

(49:08):
Goldberg was totally doing that. He was wrestling six and
he was just wrestling in Bingo halls and malls and shit, like, Oh.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Man, he's just he's just a shithead. I mean, he
really is a true blue fucking shithead. And at this point,
and I remember when once again, you know, you were
on the bright side on that when we were talking
about him and the retirement thing. Yeah, maybe they didn't
want to do anything for you because you're a dick, right, Like,

(49:35):
why why would anybody go out of their way for you?
You're a dick? Likes There's something to be taken away
from this that Goldberg's never going to take away from it,
which is that if you're really shitty and arrogant to
people your whole life, they don't forget.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
I just don't.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
No one just forgets you know.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
Why you would even do it to begin with you?
And and this is just you know, the blanket statement
of wwe not not the individuals that have had to
deal with him over the years, But if you dislike
this guy on a professional level, why even give him
a retirement on anything.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Money so you can make some money off him, which
which this is uh. And you know what's what's the
saying the same people you see up on the way
up with the same people you're going to see on
the way down, So you got to know how to
treat him right. So you know what if I was
WWE and this guy gonna just pomp his fucking dickhead

(50:37):
on his motorcycle with his wrap around speaking of fucking
of one trick pony from the nineties, Uh, you know,
with his dildo wrap around sunglasses, with his shitty tribal
armband tattoo, and he's walking in at fifty eight years
old with a bum fucking hip and he's like, let
me tell you what I want to do. I'd be like,
let me tell you where the fuck you can go? Right,

(50:58):
get out of here, fuck off? Like he he truly sucks.
And like I said, not from a this is a
fan and I his matches or any other shit. I
have never heard him have a single interview where I thought,
what a nice guy, what a cool person.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
Oh no, he's always kind of I think. But do
you wonder if that's how he treats people in the
real world or do you think that's just him work
in the marks.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Bull I don't. I really don't care. Like at this point,
if you're sixty years old and you're still talking like
you're a fucking badass. You're not. You're a senior citizen.
Have you grown at all? Have you reflected on your
life at all or your choices or behavior sounds like
you haven't.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
No, that's not And that's why I really hated watching
this interviews because he really does come off as so
many sour grapes, and it was just weird that he
aimed it at somebody that had nothing, nothing to do
with anything. Bill gold What in what world does Oscar
do anything to slight Bill Goldberg?

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Yeah? I also, well, Mesh, he also sees it as
a big insult too, and I'm i he does.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
He openly said it's because the company's pissed off that sh.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
They gave it to some girl, some girl like he's
like a fanda that it's a girl, Like, oh some
girl that they you know, they did that to fuck
with me. It's like or they were just trying to
get somebody over, believe it or not, other people in
wrestling needed to get over other than you. Bill.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Yeah, why didn't he you know, it's weird that he
gave it that he that he threw it at Oscar.
Why didn't he say anything about Gunther streak. Why didn't
he say anything about Gunthers streak? Why didn't he say
anything about Sam punk streak? You know what I mean, Like,
it's just it's just weird. It's not like he was
challenging for the women's title, you know what I mean.
So it's not like, oh, oh, he was only talking
about the world champion. She's a women's world champion. There

(52:59):
was There's no point Bill Goldberg in his active career
would have ever faced Oscar. So it was really weird
for him to just throw out that wild pitch at
someone that has nothing to do with him at all.
It's not like he's the only guy in history to
have a fucking streak, you know.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Or she's or she's the only woman in history to
be pushed like he's just he's just such.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
A like Japanese people. Is that what it is? He
just doesn't like the the Japs.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
I think he just doesn't like anybody that isn't him.
I mean truly, like he just does. I don't know.
There's it's funny to me that there's people that just
like somebody just posted a thing where they're like Abdullah
the Butcher is like in the hospital and he's eighty
four years old, and I'm like, how the fuck did that?

(53:54):
Abdullah the fattest piece of shit ever garby human and
he's eighty four years old. How how he was a thief,
a scumbag, he took from other wrestlers, he was a
rotten human being, and he lives he's levin into his eighties.

(54:16):
And then like you see Goldberg and he's sixty years
old and he's been given everything on a fucking platter, everything,
and he's like, you're you beird? Why you should? Could
you believe they did just to me? And it's like,
fuck it, fuck off right off, like just it's like

(54:37):
not to get a you know, too deep about the
whole thing, but it really is a reminder to you,
not even like oh only the good die young, but
it's like some people are just diarrhea humans and they
live forever. The worst fucking people you're gonna meet are
gonna be at your funeral. And I don't know why,
like get that gets to be a thing, but like, yeah,

(54:58):
he's what a fucking bomb.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Yeah he's not he's not good. He's not a good person,
and he's handled this really poorly, this retirement thing. Look,
I still think that he was done wrong. But when
you do shit like this, nobody's gonna invite you to
the after party. Nobody wants you back, you know, because
I mean, let's be honest, right, if if this was
all about just making money for WWE, and he wasn't

(55:22):
a fucking idiot, right, because this isn't even about sour grapes,
it's about being an idiot. If he wasn't a fucking idiot,
don't you think they'd invite him back for Russell Mania's
just to wave at the camera and make a couple
of ducks, you know, right.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Yeah, yeah, well that's it. And it's like, I think
this is where it very obviously goes past even money, right,
all right, Like, okay, there's absolutely something to the guys
in wrestling who are just they're just they're fucking workers,

(55:57):
they're poors, they're pigs, their money picks.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Right.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
And by the way, there's plenty of those people that
I like, I like Nash, I like a guy like Dash,
but Nash is the money guy, and I she's like, oh,
fucking like, I did this shit to make money, Like
fucking why else would I do it? You know? And
that's fine. But then there's people who are like a
Goldberg who think they deserve all the money and also

(56:22):
have a fucking rotten, shitty attitude and think they're like
a Ligiti, I'm a tough guy and a badass on
top of it. And it's like, you're just so fucking cringey.
You're so embarrassing as a sixty year old man to
be doing that, right, And like, as I even get
older now, like I think to myself, like sometimes doing

(56:44):
something saying something, I'm like, dude, you're like a forty
year old man. Now what are you doing? Like fucking
cut it out. And it's like this guy is twenty
years older than me, and he's still pissing and moaning
about being a millionaire and a television star a quarter
of a century ago that they weren't nice when he
was sixty. It's like, go talk to any of these

(57:05):
guys that were in bigger bands or whatever the fuck
it was. Like I said on the way back down,
it's like, yeah, man, we used to sell out and
now you're at the county fair. Life happens, you know,
the world passes you by, you accept it, or you
become a fucking weirdo, millionaire, bitter douchebag like Bill Goldberg.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
It's the last piece of news before we get out
of here for this quick one Frank and Gust tomorrow,
of course, Jinske Nakamora, during an interview with Tokyo Sports, said,
that's what keeps me going, believing in winning a world
championship in WWE before I retire. That's the one thing
I really want to achieve. When you think about what
Japanese men haven't yet broken through in the American stage,

(57:50):
that's probably it. I don't know if it would serve
its proof or anything, but sometimes I wonder if I
can't do it, then what happens next. I'd like to
leave behind a path or some hope for the next
generation of Japanese and Asian wrestlers. Fortunately I haven't suffered
many injuries, so it's not like I'm thinking of quitting
right now. But nothing lasts forever. If he asks me,
If you ask me if I'll be sitting here doing

(58:11):
this in ten years, I'd have to question it. Maybe
five years. Who knows. You never know what tomorrow will bring,
so I just have to focus on what I can
do right now. Obviously having his big moment in Japan
wrestling would see him punk versus the vision. You know,
he had a huge fanfare, which of course he is.
He's a hometown or home country boy. But what is
the idea? Do you think there could ever be a

(58:35):
stage where they puts Hinscape up as a world champion?

Speaker 2 (58:42):
I would feel like it have to be one of
those perfect storm type situations. You'd have to have a
lot of people injured, You'd have to have the right
opponent for him. I mean, I know, well, you're not wrong, honestly,
and this to me has surprised me, and it may

(59:03):
have already happened. So forgive me if I don't remember this,
because sometimes WWE just has a storyline happened for a
month and then it falls directly out of our heads.
But even if it's really god damn stereotypical, how have
we not had evil Foreigner going against Cody for three months?

Speaker 3 (59:26):
I think is going to be that guy?

Speaker 2 (59:29):
I know, I know that Rousse's kind of bound to
be like a big bad for Cody, but I Knockamore
could have.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Is going to be that guy again too, you know,
So of course.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Well that's as funny as it is, like when you
really stop to think about it, there's heels in WWE
that are like the foreign heeled, the stereotypical fucking you know,
basically up until what twenty ten, it was the thing. Uh,
there's so many of them that could be going against

(01:00:04):
Cody that you could give Cody that type of like
corny American guy you run. And I'm not so sure
one way because because people are seemingly still accepting Cody
Rhodes continuing to do his promos about watches and his
dad and like Dane cook mannerisms, So like, why wouldn't

(01:00:27):
they buy into Cody goes against the devilish fucking book
arian guy.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
Oh yeah, Cody versus like a Heiden Rank or a
Cody versus of Vladimir Couslaw of come on, he's a.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Great Yeah, why not? And it's like funny and it
sounds cordy and I'm sure somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
Else Suzuki of course, very good one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
But there's it, like I'm sure somebody would also say
you were just making fun of sixty year old guys
for their fucking antiquated ideas, But like, I still think
that a big fucking Russian guy with a bruise ribbed
cody and a bear hug would work, you need.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
I think I use a bear hug as a finisher
in twenty twenty six, right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
So yeah, yeah, but that's what I'm sing like, I
still think because that's it. It's like I'm not talking
about like once again Vince Russo's fucking wet t shirt
contest idea of the nineties and being like, yeah, we
just put where somebody comes out and does a fucking
unroller blades or something whatever, you know, bullshit he would

(01:01:36):
come up with. But I'm saying, just like actual there
are some classic wrestling tropes where you have a guy
and his name is the American Nightmare, and then you
have Bulgarian guy trying to crush the American Nightmare. You
have the Japanese guy. I'm coming to fucking dismantle the
America night right, It's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
I think one of the funny things is too and
I mean, especially since you're bringing it back to like
T fifteen or whatever and earlier. I think that was
a lot of the bad takes on foreign foreign invaders
was because of Vince's xenophobia. For the most part, I
think that in the later years, even when Russev first
came in there with Lana, it was much smarter. It

(01:02:18):
was they had an opportunity to expand the foreign invader
and almost make it psychological where it's like, yeah, they're
making fun of America, but is anything they're saying untrue?
Is anything that they're saying full of shit?

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
And it's like, you know, you're right, you're right. That
does start to become a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Right, That's what I'm saying, is like, at what point
are you just kind of looking at it and like
why am.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
I booing this guy like he has He's like he's
like your country, let Black Rock buy up or the
one family the single family houses. You're like, well, he
does have a point. He's like, they want you to
have more babies, but then they cut so us for
food for children, and then they take away their healthcare.
And I'm like this heels kind of spitting right now,

(01:03:07):
I'll be honest with you. And then Cody hands it
back to Cody like fucking b rabbit, Like he's like,
all right, what retort do you have to that motherfucker?
What do you got? And he's just like, so, Ruse,
have you made a lot of good points.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
Whiskey, Freedom of Bee, maybe not that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Would you like a delicious vodka like he's just.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Yes, offering the Russian vodka American vodka. That's great? Is
that cultural appropriation there? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
I love Drew Yari America's off of the fans. Yeah, yeah,
you know, well that's when you think about it. There
has to be like those times where that's really worked.
And like I said, I think that Cody could make
it work to some degree. It's just like you said,
the real like jingoistic, the real fucking you know, we're

(01:04:04):
not gonna let him run us down. Like that wouldn't
even work. I think it would just be as simple
as like, Cody is our guy. Cody's the old the American,
the American Nightmare. We know his dad and all that
other shit. And then these other dudes are just beating
the shit out of him, and that's that would be enough.
That'd be sufficient, because yeah, the times of that's worked

(01:04:26):
the eighties during the Cold War and stuff like that,
in the nineties during the you know, all that shit
would work. Now I'm not so sure, you know.

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Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Go ahead, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
I'm gonna leave that one alone.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
I'm the change of the French as it a French
Canadian dog. Sure, yes, they can pretend that you said
poutine poutine. Yes, I'm yeah, but she sounds very lovely.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
So much loved. Everybody, Thank you very much for joining us.
We'll see you tomorrow.

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