THE GREAT WALK OUT OF 2025 or RETIREMANIA (Wrestling Soup 11.12.25)

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
I'm getting rid of Thanksgiving. Yeah, that's not a thing anymore.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
No, seriously, in Natalie's grandmother is terrified that she's not
going to be able to come up because all the
planes are shut down because the TSA isn't working. Still, Sally, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
I mean that's well. I mean you can get her.
You can get her a train ticket, you know which,
by the way, like this is one of those moments
where all the people that are like, hey, we need trains,
this is where they could look and go hmmm, yeah,
you see right right, you know, like, hey, guess what,
like if there's ever an issue with planes all of

(00:36):
a sudden, oh, everybody wants to get on the fucking Amtrak.
Huh well all of a sudden.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah, either that or you have a grandson in law
that's willing to drive sixteen hours to pick you up.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
So you know, oh yes, yeah, yeah, that would that
would not be me. Sixty Yeah, I'd be like, yeah,
he heard about this thing. It's called the gray Hound.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Oh god, god, lea can't.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
I'd be like at least halfway halfway right.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Ninety year old woman on a greyhound. Joe Jesus Christ,
my friend.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Oh she's she's ninety, she's.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah, she's Natalie's Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Telling her rental motorcycle should be all right, Oh no,
trying to ride a hog up to Chicago.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
You know, go on to those victories, Yeah, will be
real nice.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Oh, get her a razors those like a little fuck
Oh yeah, yeah, a little razors he likes.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
By the way, I see those things and they they
fucking cook. They go like fifteen twenty miles an hour,
and I see people riding them in like they don't
have helmets on, and I'm like, now I'm at this
point of and it's not even like God, damn, kids,
put your helmet on when you ride a pike. I'm like, dude,
that thing's going fast.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
I know those things because they just weave in and
out of traffic, like I mean, you'll just talk about
basic Chicago traffic. Those guys don't adhere to any rules,
like not even the bike lane. They just go in
between cars. I've seen them literally go into oncoming traffic.
No fuck's given. I'm like, you guys are crazy. One
of you is going to die or which.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
By the way, there is a point where it's like
if it's kids, I'm like, oh my god, these poor kids.
Nobody's fucking telling I know, grown ass men? Is that
grown ass people? You're like, you're a fucking grown up
and you just and then I realized, I'm like, oh,
maybe they don't want to live that much.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Okay, I'm looking for the red bull sign or something,
you know, like.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Shit, maybe maybe that's just one of those things where
it's like, uh, they're sitting there, they're saying to themselves.
There you know, I'm not gonna kill myself, but I'm
not gonna go out of my way to do anything
to make it less easier for nature to get me.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Is this going on a TikTok? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, it is that too. Look I'm doing something cool
and you're like, well, is it really cool if there's
nine hundred million people doing it? Well, I mean sure, yeah. Well,
I mean that's also like some wrestling shit, right. It's
a it goes back to you know, when there were
a handful of people that did crazy high spots and violent,

(03:13):
bloody shit and you're like, oh, wow, that's pretty nutty,
and now it's just like everybody has done it, and
you just go, oh, well, that's just what everyone's expected
to do right right, Yeah, oh you've fell into thumb tatch. Yeah,
everybody does that. There's a fuck hoy became a millionaire
doing that, but you know everybody does it now.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Oh yeah, I mean every week Wednesday night.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Wrestling suit for a mature audience.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
I'm still doing the boys wrestling soup. I'm Anthony Thomas,
he's Joseph Numbers, the Excellen. Yeah. No, it's fucking finally
warming up already. We got hit with a few days
at that twenty degree weather, got some snail but this
week and it's going to be up in the seventies.
So I'm kind of looking forward to that, the last

(04:03):
push before the real winter shows up.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
I don't know, before you sat sorry, start getting fucking
boiled or you're gonna get boiled and then frozen.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Isn't that what's all the sickness is coming in this
weekend because everybody's gonna go out because it's seventy fucking
degrees and they're gonna get like enjoy themselves, and it's
going to drop back down a fucking twenty and wake
everybody up, you know, so well.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
I mean that's the good news, is I guess to
some extent is that we only have what five and
a half more months of it being cold.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Now that's funny, is it? The ift thing in our
discord just dropped the new YouTube video. You can find
her YouTube videos on YouTube go figure.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
And the chances you can find her new YouTube.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Videos in the garbage. The aw's new book is Revisionist Trash.
I was reading it as Revolutionist Trash and I was like, oh, wow,
that's that's a title, Dan. But now, of course I
just didn't look at it right, But yeah, there you go.
Check out our shit on YouTube. So much love there.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Well, dude, there's also I mean, there is so much
going on in the world of WWE that we're at
this point where you go, should I really read about
the AEW book? Which I saw some people They were like,
you guys have met talking about AW a lot last week.
I'm like, I feel like we barely mentioned them anymore.
Because WWE's business end is so interesting in a horrible,

(05:28):
shitty sort of way that that's we'll talk about that
before it's like, hey, did you know AW sucks? It's like, yeah,
we all know that. Everybody kind of knows.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
I think it's almost pass at this point, like, what
else is happening in AW that is even really newsworthy
at this point? Oh, Sasha Banks topped the women's two fifty.
Boy can't wait to read off that list.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
I mean once again, like her dad's company. She works
for a dad's company and he gave her employee of
the months. That's kind of what it is at this point. Yeah, Yeah,
there's not a lot of it's not a lot of
weight behind that. But also, I mean, I guess we
could before we talk about ROW, we could talk about
that fucking hilarious Tigan Knots walk out. I guess that's
a piece of news right from yeah world.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Well, so I guess what is the gauge on that, right?
Because I saw some personal posts people flipping out on
them about it, but they left because they're basically enhancement talent.
They didn't want to do the job, right, is that? Basically?
It is that the short skinny of it.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
I think that, well, this is this is the problem
that AW has kind of always had, which is that
because Tony Kahn is booking this in his head, right,
and he doesn't know how to communicate with people, he's
probably bringing in every fucking guy and girl, and they're
thinking to themselves like, oh, I'm coming in to be
like a like a wrestler, like a star, like I'm

(06:54):
gonna get pushed or whatever the fuck, because that's what
they all want to think, right, I mean, do you
think a wrestler that I'm assuming she's probably in her
mid to late twenties or whatever, it's like, do you
think she's thinking to herself, I just spent all that
time in WWE, I'm gonna go to AW and they're
gonna use me in three minute long squash matches. Like

(07:15):
of course she's not thinking that, and honest to god,
that is on the job of the promoter to uh
to convey that that is what your use is just
going to be. But also at the same exact time,
it's like, I guess it ended up in them, you know,
walking out obviously, and a couple of girls from ROH
stepped in and did that match and they were just

(07:35):
happy to be on TV. And I'm like, yeah, it's
almost like that's what you're supposed to do, well it.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
So here's the confusing part, right, Like, this is the
part because I've read their tweets and their responses to
things what I don't understand or what I really don't
I guess I don't seem to. Were they told at
some point or do they believe at some point that
Tony was going to give them some kind of a
major push or is this something that they put in
their head, like you were just talking about when they

(08:04):
walked out of Doug World, when Taken walked out of
WWE or left WWE, that she was worth this much attention.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Well, dude, once again, if it's not communicated with you, like,
if the thought process isn't, Hey, I'm going in to
work there for a couple of months. They're going to
give me a couple of matches, you know, with my girlfriend,
wife or whatever the fiance, I don't know, and you know,
then I'll I'll go in there and get squashed a
couple of times. But you know, I'm just here to

(08:32):
do some I'm just here to do some enhancement work
or whatever the fuck people want to call it. Right right,
But once again, Tony Kahan books wrestlers, and do you
know what most wrestlers think when you book them, regardless
of what they've been or where they're trying to They're like,
oh man, I'm getting booked to come in and do
my shit, unless you're telling them, you know, hey, you're

(08:55):
coming in. You know this guy, you can get the
ship beat out of you by a great college, right right.
Which also, by the way, that's one of those situations
where it's like, are we supposed to think Meghan Baine
is great Hollie, Like she's supposed to just take the
read on that where it's like, yeah, we're gonna bring
you in this week, You're gonna wrestle with Meghan Baine,

(09:16):
and she's like, oh, here comes a big squash match
coming my way.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
It's like no, But she actually has some overhead because
you can build something with her, right Like, that's that's
at least her I guess hope her future is that
she has some kind of a future because she's still young,
but I don't know. Man at the tea of Knoxing, So,
I was also reading about all the other people that
were fired, and it's funny to me all the people

(09:41):
that have been released in twenty twenty five and we
lost the likes of people like Duke Hudson, Blair Davenport,
Gallows and Andersen, Cedric Alexander Giovanni Vinci, the all your
favorite authors of Payne, Paul Ella, Erring Sonya Deville, Ala, Dawn,
Electro Lopez, As Bronz Strowman, Dakota Kai, Shana Basler, Katana Chanson,

(10:04):
Cayden Carter who I thought they were a decent tag team,
Kora Jade, Jakari Jackson, a Mensa, Javier Bernal and Riley
Osborne part of Santos's group. I believe at one point,
Gigi Dolan and Shazi Gallas, Danny Palmer, Eddie Thorpe, Our Truth,
which that's a technicality, Carlito Chante, Cross and Scarlet Valhalla

(10:32):
and Sarah Logan at at Dirty Feet and Drade Jasmine
Nicks address a fe enofe I can't pronounce. Sorry Lance No,
I we else wes Lee Braden bj Ray we just
lost him from LFG.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah, I what a shame.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
And yeah, but it's like we've lost all of those people,
and it's weird to me because you don't hear those
stories are surrounding any of those guys. I think Our
Truth was the only one that had a real buzz.
Maybe Cross and Scarlet obviously because of the book and stuff,
But it's just a weird thing that if if somebody
picks up a job in wrestling, that they would immediately
think that, oh, well, because I was in WWE, I'm

(11:10):
clearly worth more even if I wasn't featured. Like does
bj Ray leave now from LFG, from WWE and go
to some other small company or small promotion now?

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Miss of these people are there because it's WWE, and
that's it. They want to wrestle for WWE. They want
to make a lot of money, and they want to
be a TV star. That's the reality of it. Some
of these people are you know, they're made for indy wrestling.
They come from that world. They actually have been interested

(11:43):
in that their entire lives or you know, enough of
their adult lives to get involved in it. But yeah,
a kid like bj Ray, it's like, no, he just
wants to be a fuck. He just wants to be
on TV and get rich to right, that's what he
wants to do. I mean. And that's truthfully. I don't
blame most of these young people anymore for just wanting
to do that, because what really should your aspiration be anymore?

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Well, me ask you, this is it a ploy? Is
this one of those scenarios where you know, maybe they
saw the writing on the wall obviously, I think what
was it a November first? Was it ringside or one
of those guys said that, you know, her contract is
up in ninety days with aw or something like that.
Is this kind of a ploy in the same way

(12:28):
that somebody would use this in order to get their
name out there for other promotions get some buzz.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
I don't know. I think it was probably just more so.
And I don't know if this is actually official or
if it's out there or anything. I mean, Dan kind
of popped it up in the chat room. I mean
my read on the girl initially was seems like she's
got a little bit of a got a little bit
of substance issues in some way to begin with. That
was yeah, I mean that was just my guess, you know,

(12:57):
just just speculating, but more than likely it. But also
at the same exact time, and this is where now
you end up putting yourself in a real pickle, you know,
as far as how fans will read a room or
read a situation or discuss a topic. So she shows
up to have this match, now you know she's had

(13:18):
herself a little bit of a career. Why not let's
call it that right in WW Yeah she had her
match A sure she was hurt all the time, but whatever.
If she shows up and Tony KM looks at her
and goes, you have three minutes and she goes, no
thanks and leaves, It's like, how is that any different
than the shit that you were applauding women like Sasha

(13:40):
Banks for? How's that any different? I mean, really, how
did it go from this whole You got to give
the women a chance? Man, You're only giving the girls
three minutes to half matches. That's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Main that's why. Yeah, that's all it is.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
I suppose, But I think it's more so just not
only pick and choose, but also people will go, oh,
are you going to really compare those two women in
what they have to offer? And then I get on
my horse and I look right back at them and
I go, is that really what we're arguing about?

Speaker 3 (14:18):
That?

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Is that really what it is? Like? It's like, oh,
so you mean it's a preference thing. It has nothing
to do with whether you think, like, oh, she she
should be respected as a person or as a performer,
or as a woman's wrestler or any of that. It's
quite literally like, oh no, I just like them and
I like their matches more so I'm going to stand
up for them when I feel like they're mistreated. Right,

(14:40):
But the same exact thing will happen to another person
and I'm not really invested in them, so they can
just fuck off. Is that? Yeah? Is that what it's
going to be. And also when we think about it,
I mean, I don't know how old Tigan Knox is,
but she's been wrestling for a while. Once again, it's
not a situation of somebody that's been around for six

(15:00):
months or a year and they're coming in there, you know,
wagging their you know, well not they're dick. I don't know,
they're plitorius around and waving it and going, yeah, fuck you,
I'm gonna do what I want.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
I just don't know what the point of it is.
I mean, if it is some kind of like big
women's moment that she thinks that she's living, but you know, yeah,
Dan threw up that thing. They're saying she can have
ten drinks a month. I mean, that's that's her scale
back image. So maybe it isn't a ploy. Maybe it
isn't for publication. Maybe it isn't about women's rights. Maybe
it's just somebody's off the wagon a little.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Bit, you know, yeah, which is also you know, welcome
to wrestling, I guess, right. Is that another thing though too?
Like I I don't know, I found that whole thing
to be amusing because yes, I believe fully if you
are brought in as a wrestler to do a certain job,

(15:52):
then you just go and do it. But I also
think that it is the job of the promoter to
fully communicate, you know, in these situations what you're coming
in to do. Now, there's an assumed once again, there's
an assumed you know, idea of if you've been wrestling
for three months, right and they bring you in once

(16:13):
again to wrestle, you know that Indies fucking great colleague,
Samoa Joe, whomever the fuck, It's like, yeah, I'm going
in to get my ass kicked, right, I'm going into
like I'm getting booked to literally just get beat up
and fucking you know, toss around the rate.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Okay, sure do wrestlers hype each other up, though, Like,
is this one of those cases where like maybe a
Tony Storm in the back was like, oh, tigan. I
can't I can't wait to wrestle you in the main events.
Blah blah blah. Could this be something like where everybody's
just gaslighting this poor girl. I'm not saying and I
said a poor girl in a mocking fashion, But is
it possible that maybe her head kind of got ahead

(16:50):
of herself to chickens in a bush or something like that,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Well, I mean in a way, and it's kind of
funny to put it this way and a little bit absurd,
but it's almost like the guy thinks he's going on
a date, but he's hanging out with the friend.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah, he's like he shows up with flowers, like why
do you got those? What you got those for? It's
like you show up as a wrestler and you think
you're there to fucking Oh yeah, you're gonna get a
fucking fifteen minute longnute, which, by the way, like aw
was notorious for giving any bum off the fucking street
fifteen minutes of national television, so that's not like this

(17:26):
is like way out of their wheelhouse or something, you know.
And so once again you show up and you're like, yeah, man,
I think this shit fucking digs me show up and
she's like got three girlfriends with her, and she's just like, yeah,
you know, we're just gonna I guess we're all gonna
go out as a pal group. And you're like, oh, boy,

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this is the boy. Do I feel like an asshole?
It's like, yeah, that's probably she felt probably embarrassed, don't
you think to some extent, you know, you think you
think you're showing up to get booked as someone who
just got off television. You're you see yourself as this
season wrestler, and instead they go, yeah, there's the go
change in the boiler. Rook right, yeah you're gonna feel

(18:07):
like an asshole? Makes complete fucking sense to me. But
like I said, this all goes back to Tony Khan
not explaining to people what he is planning on doing
or actually using them for. Did she did she have
a maybe a little bit too much to I don't know,

(18:28):
to dream or maybe did she also in that moment
just say hey, what the fuck? But I guess like
the prior week she also lost another there was like
they put her in like two squash matches that are
row right.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
So.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, it's like dud. How about you just tell me
to go fuck myself. I'll just go fuck myself. Then
I'll see you later. Like, yeah, I understand why she
would leave. In that moment, it's like, okay, well, what's
the point, what's the plan? And you're like, oh, yeah,
you're working for Tony Khan. There is no point, There
is no plan, there is no community.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
I know most of these people understood that the reason
that they're there is mostly just to collect a paycheck,
to get patted a lot more than what you would
on the Independence. Albeit we've heard from Cross and Scarlett
they say that you can make more on the Independence
than even on TV. So I guess it really just
depends on how you hustle, how you do your career.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Well, it also doesn't hurt that Charlotte and Cross both
look like stars and wrestlers and models and people want
to take pictures with them and people want to, you know,
actually interact with them, right, But you know, no shade
to old Tigan knocks. But it's like, oh wow, another
one hundred and twenty pound girl with multicolored hair and
like biker short gear. Where will we find them?

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Oh no, there's a couple on the Independence right.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Just a few, just a few? Whoa does she do
an in siguri? Like it's like, yeah, there's nothing special there.
But I know I completely understand. Like I said, I
completely knock.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
A very underwhelming sub anyways, So I mean, let's be.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Honest, I know this is this is like the most
entertaining you could get out of Teaka dogs as actually
discussing the moral quandary of walking out as a wrestler,
but then also putting it into equation of like, okay, well,
I guess all right.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Let me let me ask if we're talking about the
ethical value or the moral value of this. Does Teakn
Knox standing up for herself, even in her own way,
do anything in the ripple effect of wrestling?

Speaker 1 (20:29):
No? No, because yeah, well it's once again because you're
you're working for Tony Khan.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Dude, right well here be right. Like with with WWE,
when Sasha and Naomi walked out, other than some fan backlash,
I don't think it changed anything in WWE. Do you
think that the women's division in WWE changed overall because
they're like, oh man, Sasha and Naomi walked out because
of the last minute raw decision that Vince made I.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
I don't you want to bet half a dozen of
those women had took a big sigh because they didn't
have to deal with Sasha anymore.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Oh well, I mean in that scenario, that's but that's
like on a personal level, I mean, like on a
professional level, on a business level, did Sasha Naomi walking
out do anything to change wwe?

Speaker 1 (21:18):
No? No, And And this is the reason why is
because it's like anybody that thinks they're too important for
their job. And it's the same exact reason why you know,
you should take your PTO if you're sick, call out,
go do something if you if you have something to go,
do but enjoy your life, take five minutes to do it.
Because the old story about if you die, they'll put

(21:40):
a sheet cake in the break room and fucking replace
you in a week. It's true. Like that's though you think,
but it's true. You think you're special, Like, oh, this
place would fucking collapse without me.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
It's like, no, no, no, I wonder I really wonder
if that's what she thought. If Sasha literally thought she
was going to collapse the Women's diva by leaving.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Everyone else was going to walk out behind her, you know,
what I mean, I'm sparta kiss, Like, did you think
that was going to happen or do you think they
were just going to turn and go hmm, yeah, I'll
take her, I'll take that time. Well they have seven minutes,
yeah I can. I can fill three more minutes in
my match. That's what they did, right, and they moved
on with their lives, and it sure seems like they
didn't look back either.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
So then, after weighing out that scenario, what would be
the the everlasting repercussions of Tigan Knox walking out of AW.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Well, I mean the ripple effect. It's like that Butterfly
movie with Ashton Kutcher. You know, one can only imagine
the impact that this will have on the unit. Yes, yeah,
absolutely nothing. I mean, AW is a joke. It's ran
by a joke. The company is fucking laughable at this point.
Standing up to Tony Khan as a boss is like

(22:52):
you deleting your Uber eats app it's a delivery driver,
and being like, I sure fucking showed them. Yeah, It's like,
no one know, he barely knows who's there. He has
his favorite toys. Everyone else is just a fucking utility player,
you know, I throw you don't miss me when they
don't notice. I'm not delivering twelve Panera fucking bagel trays

(23:15):
to day, No no one will notice. Motherfucker, No one cares.
You know.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Well, speaking of he was throwing up the guy mopping
up the ocean. Yeah, literally mopping up the ocean. It's fantastic.
I never saw that one before. That's great ship.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
We all feel that way.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Monday Night Raw took place in Boston.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah, I've been there. Yeah, it's pretty pretty.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
It's probably actually go It was the last John Cena well,
you know, supposedly the last John Cena arrival on Raw
in Boston, And.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yeah, dude, I'm not going to this thing for multitude reasons.
Won the price too, I've said it before, I've seen it.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah, well we're the ticket prices out there.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Last I saw the cheapest ones. I knew a couple
of people. They were able to get in for like
a buck fifty to two fifty. But I'm talking real. Yeah, yeah,
I'm not interested in that. I love that they're so
proud of themselves for that too. They're like, ah, the
people bitching, we don't want their money anyways, So into

(24:23):
more money it's like, God damn, once again, these are
this Just just so you know, that's another example of
you know, you think you're special, you think you're important. Nope,
they don't give a fuck. I am mad at WWE.
I can't believe now they don't fucking care until the
building is legitimately fucking empty and they can't sell any tickets,

(24:44):
they don't care.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
I saw one of those news sources saying that WWE's
shows are at an all time low and they're not
making any money. Meanwhile, they're bringing up their quarterlies where
it's like, oh, we're just raining in money. So I
don't know who to believe anymore.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Well, it's all fucking it's all funny money anyways at
this point. Yeah, half of the half the ship that
you see that's on the books about companies, like what's
this AI bubble thing they're talking about there, Like once
they finally put together all this shit is like gonna
not be worth what they think it is, it's going
to be a real OOPSI poopsis. Yeah, yeah, it's the same.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Just just WWE buying Crypto. That'd be fucking fantastic. So
we saw off the show with with the the John
Cena appearance, Triple H coming out there and introducing John
Cena and John Cena kind of talking to people and
they're responding, and Dominic Mysterio comes out and kind of

(25:42):
gets in his face and says that he could take
him at any time, any era, et cetera, and Triple
H pretty much makes a match right there, which I
thought was interesting because I was not expecting that right
out of the gate. Obviously, I think a lot of
people weren't, but John Cena and Dominic myster I wasn't
even sure we'd ever see that match.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Good good segment didn't need Triple H at all.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
I think they put him out there on purpose, because
you know what, and that was something mean you talked
about through text. But I saw that last week, and
I think I saw it on Friday when we were
doing the Frank and Gus, and I was like, there's
this big fucking on once again. A random news story
saying that Triple H has been missing creative meetings and
booking meetings or actually raw because he's hanging out with

(26:27):
his political friends. And it's like, then there's another news
story saying, oh, Triple H wants nothing to do with politics,
he's just hanging out with his entertainment buddies, and it's
just it's weird that I he had to like show
up for this. But I wonder if it's because more
along the lines of I'm attaching myself to John Cena.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
It's retirement, it's attaching himself to John Cena, and it's
also him and he's not gonna say it because he
doesn't want to steal. See God, that's funny to say
this after him doing this, But he didn't want to
steal the clouch of being like to uh am from Massachusetts,
New Hampshire, I'm from New Hampshire, like he did. He

(27:06):
didn't want to go that lane. But that was supposed
to be the wink wink, not not like, oh, we
also know that John Cena or at the Triple H
Simples John Massachusetts people, yeah, John, Well, that's somebody asks
in the chat room too. They're like, a Seena actually
a Boston guy. It's like, no, he lives forty five
minutes to an hour away from Boston.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Newberry right, Newberry, Yeah, Westernbury.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
But that's yeah, dude, it's a it's a it's a
very nice, comfy, cozy suburb. But you know, that's how
a lot of people are. They claim the closest city
to them. And I don't take that. Like there's a
lot of people, and I know people do this in
other cities, but I am so fucking annoyed by the

(27:50):
Boston people that are like, oh, dude, you focus show
you're from Boston, kid, Well you're actually from like fucking
some of all. And I'm like, shot the fuck up,
because you think you're gonna walk around in life and
people are gonna be like, oh, where are you from?
You're like Peabty. They're like, what the fuck is Peebety.
You're like, it's near Boston, It's near Boston, Pebay.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah, that's an actual place that's that's at.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
And it's spelled Peabody by the way too, Peabody. But
also Peabty is like the town. The only thing you're
signaling to a certain generation of people if you go
I'm from Peabody is that your family partook in white flight.
That's basically all your all you're saying to people is like, yeah, see,
my family at one point lived in Boston, but they're

(28:38):
terrified of black people, so they all moved fifteen fucking
miles north of Boston and you know, now, we've just
built this little fucking guinea city. But that's what it is, dude, Like,
it's a people. Yes he really from No? No, right,
Most people claim that they're from and unlast they start
getting out towards like Worcester, they're like, no, no, they're

(28:59):
from they say they're from Boston.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
But yeah, do that in Chicago. Tho' do same thing.
Elgin people, Rosemond people, pretty much anywhere in Chicago. Land
Is does people pretty much saying they're from Chicago. I mean,
even what was it they're doing something? I think it's WWE.
We were joking about it. I think it was myself
and coolf and other people that WWE would do an
event out at the Now Arena. And when you look

(29:23):
at the Now Arena, it's like thirty minutes away from
the city. But AW says, oh, we're doing the Chicago event,
like they had tickets up and like, oh we're in Chicago.
Oh we're at the Now Arena. That's thirty minutes outside
of the fucking city.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Well it's also a means of communication when people say
that too, but they're also like, well, yeah, it's outside
of the city. But you're also like once again that
you end up just lengthening the conversation by being like,
it's in this town. It's this far away from a
major city, and most people are just like, dude, get
to the fucking point.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, John Kaine says, you know what, in Ohio, people
won't admit that they're from Cleveland. But you know what,
at least Ohio has a bunch of well known cities, Right,
you got like Toledo, Cleveland, Cincinnati. Yeah, what do we
have in Illinois? Chicago? We can't even claim Saint Louis

(30:17):
because technically it's Missouri, Missouri.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Right. You're like, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Don't think I've ever heard anybody come up and say
I'm from Champagne. Now, maybe maybe Jolietta or Aurora, if
they're like Wayne's World fans or some shit. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Well, I can tell you this much for sure. Did
not need to be out there for this segment. No,
Dom did great, Sina did great.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah, and they did the fucking ref bomb, which was fun.
They did the chair a bit, which was fun. It
was really surprisingly a really good match, and I kind
of wish that they go back to the well on
this one, but obviously that's not gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
No, And and a huge problem that they have also
with some of these segments is as good as they are,
you're also knowing, oh my god, they're gonna try to
do two hours more of wrestling after this, and it's like,
you already did all the shit, right, that's as good
as it's gonna get. One of the most popular guys
in wrestling fucking ever, has a twenty minute long match

(31:22):
and segment back and forth and wins the championship built
in his hometown. What are you gonna do? Send out
fucking cheese and crackers? After that, it's like, why why
are you doing that?

Speaker 2 (31:32):
But I like Damien Priest.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Well, you know what, To be fair, Damian Priest is
more of a I'd say he's like a triscuit.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, you know, okay, then he's no.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
No no no, no no no. We think much salt,
a little too salty. They're a little too flavorful. I
would say, like a triscuit, just dry and you keep
chewing true and you have hope. You're like, is this
gonna ever taste better? It's like, no, nope, it's just
it just.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Eventually tastes like your spit and you're like, oh, well
I did eat it, so it's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
And then you just go, well, I don't know, maybe
i'll put some sligher on. Maybe that'll help. But yeah, yeah, no, Yeah,
that was a tough, tough, fucking follow to that match on.
It was slower.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
I mean, what do you expect. It's two big guys,
and it's a different type of vibe too. I don't
even think Boston was really behind it. I do like
Rusev though, so I was kind of happy that he
did defeat Priests in the the first of the tournament's preliminaries. Yeah,
it's the tournament itself.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
So yeah, well I said this early to one of
my friends that I work with that watches the show,
watches Raw at least regularly. They're putting themselves in an
interesting spot with this tournament because it's really also reminding
a lot of the audience that, uh, these people are
not young anymore. Right, likerse came back. Russev looks great,

(33:01):
he looks cut up. Uh he's still in his late
thirties though, you know. And then out there's Damian Priest,
he's in his forties. Then you know, as the night
goes on, it's like they's Seamus. Seamus is in his forties,
There's Nakamora, he's in his forties. And I'm I'm thinking
to myself, I'm going, oh my god, they got a
fucking hurry. Huh yeah, Jesus Christ. Half the people in

(33:25):
this tournament could be retired in the next two years.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
They don't have too many prospects though. I think that's
why there's such a big focus right now on like
Evolve and LFG and all these things, and even the
n XT, because they really got to start filling filling
up these holes, or at least getting some of these
other guys over. Now that John seems retiring, who's going
to be the big guy? Randy Orton? I mean probably probably.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Randy Orton's also what forty three?

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yeahho no, but he looks fucking amazing. But he's got
to be right around the corner. Aj Styles is obviously
right around the corner. Seamus is right around the corner.
Who else.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Knock amro Like I said, oh, knock Amor.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah, he showed up there on Monday, by the way,
is he he's so sparingly hurt.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Where the fuck is miss shouldn't mis be in this tournament?
Doesn't that feel like a real Yeah, he's one of
scene as like, whether people want to acknowledge him or not,
he was one of Scene, his fucking real rivals for
a few years. He should be somewhere in that tournament.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
But also media match against him. So yeah, But.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
He's also once again another guy where it's like he's
almost done too. He's these dudes are walking out the door,
and I guess that's where I have to remind myself
when I go, I don't know about this broad breaker.
They're pushing him too fast. Well, now we're at a
point where all of these guys are going to their
twenty fifth high school reunions.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Oh shit, I mean literally jumping right into it. The
Sampunk promo which was it was a sampunk promo and
Paul Hayman showed up division and stuff. But yeah, that's
that's what they have to use see on punk for
how much time to see them Punk have left?

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Not much? I'd assume probably two years maybe and give
or take. He's another guy And that's where also, and
I know, I feel like we could talk about some
of the matches. I think they for the most part,
it was a decent night of wrestling, but all the
manusha is more interesting. This feels like the way that
they're setting up this tournament and looking at it as, Oh,

(35:28):
my god, are we going to just start promoting a
retirement tour for somebody every couple of months now, right,
because all of these guys are going to retire and
they're going to desperately need ideas of how to put
people in these fucking buildings. And I'm not saying John Cena,
everybody's on Sena's level, obviously not. But this even in

(35:52):
itself watching seeing to have this tournament and these promos
and all this shit, isn't there like a real kind
of last season of a TV show feel to this?
Oh yeah, yeah, the same.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Absolutely, I mean, because it's not just the dichotomy of
seeing somebody like honestly the future of WWE being dominic
mysterio against John Cena. We also had Nikki Bella turning
on Stephanie to.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Her setting up the future of the future of the
women's by the way, another forty year old Yeah right,
that's where we are. And it's like, so you got
this thirty two year old fucking smoke show, amazing fucking
in ring performer. She's over as fucking rover as much

(36:39):
as he can be for somebody who they've I mean,
my god, they're like, hey, could you beat dead Dog one?
Can you beat Dead Dog two? They've given her nothing
truly as far as like people to work with in
the ring, with the exception of eo U. But yeah,
what are we setting up for here? S?

Speaker 2 (36:56):
What's the Stephanie Nicky month long few? A few months long?
If you maybe even a rustle Mania match between the two.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Did you see I love the apartment. I liked the apartment.
She turned on her and she took off the red
shirt to reveal the black shirt. She's so evil now,
so evil Nikki bella black She's coming for you, pal,
aren't you scared?

Speaker 2 (37:25):
I'd love to hear that creative meeting. So NICKI, what
are you gonna do to show everybody at your heel?
I'm gonna wear a black shirt under my red shirt.
That's fucking great.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Perfect. She should turn her hat forward really let us
know she means business. Oh my god, she's wearing a
half for Yeah, that's keeping the light on my.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Eyes, Nikki, can you twirl in the opposite direction?

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Oh? Perfect, like an Australian toilet getting flushed. Speaking of
Dubai toilet, how are you doing summer Ray? Yeah, I'm sorry.
I shouldn't have said that out loud. I should kept
that my thought. Buh thhot bubble. Uh yeah, dude, who
the fuck? Why the fuck are we doing that? And

(38:13):
I I hate to bring up another aw type correlation here,
but can somebody please get Willow Nightingale the fuck out
Awes boil boy? Is she needed on WWE television at
this point? All the people that you know, Tony Storm
and this one and that one. Listen, man, that fucking

(38:34):
die is cast Tony Storm staying in aw probably for
the rest of her career, getting millions of dollars from
the fucking Mark Loser kid.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Like, let's get I don't know, some of the WWE's
playing the long game and just letting the networks kill
them off, because I almost feel like there's not going
to be a show for aw sooner than it is
for them waiting these contracts out.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
I know, but you know, Tony Khan's gonna still make
them wrestle on YouTube in front of fucking seventy five people.
You know we'll do that. He doesn't, he doesn't give
a fuck.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
He's gonna use Can you hide view count on YouTube?

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Is there? You're like, hmm, AW is neck and neck
with what is this? Baby farts at Church?

Speaker 2 (39:21):
That's that'd be a whole bit though. What's better than aw?
This week?

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Baby Farts at Church has two million streams aw two
hundred and sixty thousand. Yeah, yeah, I don't know, dude.
It's it's a it's a terrible fucking look and some
absolutely horrendous fucking creative to take Stephanie Vacoor and put
her against Nikki fuck Bella. I mean, good, good God,

(39:51):
oh mighty. Unless the plan is here is to somehow
put a belt on Maxid, which is also a crazy
fucking thought, even though I can she's on her way
to be in half decent, But are you gonna take
the belt and put it on Max? Even then? Half
her wrestled Nicky Bella? Why you have women who can work?
Why are you still doing this?

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Because I think in some way Nikki Bella is the
women's hulk Hogan that when she's finally defeated and removed
everybody else gets elevated, right? Is that how they look
at her?

Speaker 1 (40:26):
I was gonna say she's a racist Latina?

Speaker 2 (40:28):
That what you I think it could be.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
She's like Batman, Jeff send it back to ams, best
to back, Like, wow, what's this level of obvious self hate?
I've got there? Nikki? Yeah, how far are you? Hall? Hall?
Why don't you move? Al Wanna cool? You're real cool? Yeah?

(40:57):
I know, Nikki is like, why why I give this
woman still on television? But I don't know. I said,
free Willow Nightingale. That's a girl who I think you
could get off AW television tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
There's a couple couple in AW and I think we
were even joking about that too. Is that AW has
a more promising women's division than they really do with
the men's division. And I keep forgetting her name and
I don't know why, but the girl with the puppets,
I think that you can yeah and bring that away.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
I almost called her to Neil Dashwood because she reminds
me so much of Emma. Yeah, she's kind of like Emma.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
A little bit. I could see that for sure.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
The aesthetic they look very similar. Yeah, No, she's talented,
but I also think she's signed a long term contract
because she likes free money too. I don't blame you.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
I mean, I guess just stay there for the money
or just walk out. It doesn't really matter.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
So yeah, you just leave if you want to.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Thank you, Edward Harley Cameron.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
That's what it is. She's pretty. She's talented it too,
but yeah she's an aw so have fun with that.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, the Shamus defeated Knakamura in a in a match
for reasons, Yeah, good, good match.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
But also babyface for his babyface you could hear. And
this is where, like Boston is this type of city
where you got to give him a heel or a
babyface otherwise they're just gonna sit there and be.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Like, all right, well, shins k wasn't even really made
a babyface. He just kind of turned into one because
people forgot that he was supposed to be a heel.
They had him as like the outlaw in Ninja or
the Outlaws Samurai for a while, and then they took
him off TV and he disappeared, and it's like everybody forgot.
They're like, oh, yeah, he did have a character, didn't
he And then they sent him out to Japan and

(42:44):
now they're back and they're like, oh, it's Shinsk, where
have you been for the last whatever?

Speaker 1 (42:47):
You know? And cool guy, cool music, connection with the crowd.
They all remember them and they're like, can you be
a heel please? And the audience is like why.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
But he's an afterthought nobody. I guess that's the direction
for WWE. He's not going for a title. He'll never
get another title in WWE. I know he made this.
I know he did some kind of an interview not
that long ago where he was still talking about, you know,
being viable. He wants to be champion again, like one
more time before he leaves WW. But man, I don't

(43:18):
see that. I think he was just trying to be
nice for the camera type deal because.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
He should us. I mean, they should all hope, right,
they should all be like, yeah, you know, I'd like
another run it. Whatever title. I would be the Intercontinental Champions,
the national title. Oh no, I'll take the International House
of Titles. Yeah take that one. I'll take a Rudy
two dy fresh and fruity title. I'll have that one. Yeah,

(43:46):
christ short Stack please? Yeah no. This is once again
two baby faces. They beat the shit out of each other.
Seamus another guy that I finally like him, and he's
almost done. So it's a shame, it's unfortun but we
got to just kind of lean into and enjoy these people.
I guess what we have them.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
I mean, take it for what it's worth. It's just yeah,
I mean, overall, I'm glad you enjoyed RAW a lot
more than I did. I literally was doing it.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Oh no, it's just too long. It was it was okay,
but it was just it was once again, these Raws, dude,
they feel like I'm I'm fucking watching the entire season
of a television show. You know.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Every time I've heard it on now, it feels it
feels like Raws are given more care and more time
than the pls themselves. Yes, yeah, isn't it a little
weird like Saturday Night's main event that we just did
like a few weeks ago. Right, it was just match
after match after match. But overall, me and you were

(44:48):
pretty unhappy with that. I think over all the internet
kind of poo pooed all over Saturday Nights made Events.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
It was a bad show. It was pretty much overall
not a good show.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
But Raw they pay so much more attention into it,
Like there's better production, the way everything flows, Like even
though these shows they're basically making a Shindler's List every Monday,
you know, It's it's like the level of care that
they put into that, if they would just kind of
even it out, has spread the wealth around a little bit.
You can have a shorter raw and then still give

(45:19):
the other shows more oomph and plees. Like I don't understand.
It just feels like they're less important now than they
used to be.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
It's just yeah, and there's six times the amount of
money apparently too. Well that's yeah, that's brilliant of them.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
That you have to pay for it on ESPN and shit,
so yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Yeah, which nobody is. That's a whole other problem. Well,
I'm still loving and I'm not even being psychastic. I'm
loving that ESPN is unhappy with this. Yeah, fuck you,
fuck you, that's why fuck off. I mean, like, I
you remember six months ago, I was saying this, Oh,
people are gonna pay. No, they're not. That's too much money.

(46:02):
You're asking too much of people. Like at some point
eventually it's like, uh, yeah, no they're gonna do that.
You ain't gonna keep on and you can just I'm like, no, dude,
wrestling fans are lower to middle class people most of
the time. Well, it doesn't that is the reality. It
doesn't help when you have people like Stephanie McMahon telling

(46:24):
people which VPN do switch to to watch WWE events.
It's like, well, there you go a lot cheaper to
follow Stephani's ad than it is to shill out sixty
dollars for ESPN, which, as the kids say, is pretty
fucking base. Her being like, steal my fucking company dot.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Com right right.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Go ahead, go ahead, steal it, which dude to some
extent with ESPN and them trying to end up being
like shocked by it once again not knowing their audience.
You and I know a lot of the dudes that
are you know, in this chat room and shoot the shit. Yeah,
we'll talk about, hey, this is my favorite NFL team,

(47:07):
And we got some Canadians in here, and I get
the joy of talking a little bit of hockey with them,
and it's cool, right, But a lot of these people
that are wrestling fans or wrestlers at this point you
can't look at them and say and with the cost
of admission, you get to watch the fucking Utah hockey

(47:28):
fucking team. Don't you want to watch that? You can
watch guess what, you can watch college football. They don't care.
They don't care about dare I say, just real sports? Right?
A lot of these people aren't interested in that. They
think like, oh shoot, I get to watch the fucking mystics,
I get to watch my favorite WNBA teams. Like they

(47:51):
don't care. They're not going to spend the money. And
they're not spending it, they're stealing it because you once again.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Some kind of trying to put the fucking the ship
back in the bag. Because it's like, once upon a time,
we had nine to ninety nine the WWE network. Everything
was on there, pay per views and old schools, just
everything was there. And now it's like they want to
unpack it. They want everybody to go, oh, can we
go back to the fifty nine dollars? No, nobody wants

(48:20):
to go back to that. Who wants to go back
to waiting for video on demand?

Speaker 1 (48:23):
And shit? You know it's just well, it's it's the
it's the napster model, right. I mean, I know that's
an old fucking reference, but you know, people used to
be like, yeah, I like this one song and I'm
just gonna fucking steal it. They're like okay, They're like, no,
you have to buy the whole appum, by the whole thing.
No fucking what, right, No, And there was a point

(48:44):
by the way too where Apple was plenty happy that
you know whoa we could sell one song for two bucks. Sick,
all right, we'll sell We'll sell a song for two bucks.
That's that's fine. But you were never gonna put that
fucking Genie toothpaste whatever you want to say, back in
the tube or the bottle. Because people saw the way

(49:04):
that they could get Oh shit, I could get WWE
pay per views and all their old stuff for ten bucks,
or I could get a Peacock subscription for five dollars
a month if I catch it at the right time
on a Black Friday sale. Yeah. Now, you can't look
at them as everything gets more expensive and go, that'll
be six times the price please, right right, they're gonna

(49:26):
just say nah, I'm good, no thanks, and going back
to the show feeling like some sort of series finale
because Sina's doing this whole thing that ain't gonna help either.
They might make themselves a lot of money and get
some eyes on it for the next couple of months.
But Sina is gonna walk out, and it's gonna feel
a lot differently than when we've lost other big stars

(49:49):
in the past. One day, Stone Hold, Steve Austin just
kind of stops showing up, right, I guess don't hold
Steve Austin's gone, you know, But imagine.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
If you think after this, I mean now that you're
bringing this up, because I mean, if you're looking towards
a long term goal, right, we know he's gonna retire
before then. He's basically going to coast through till WrestleMania.
People will coast through with the scene of train till WrestleMania.
But after WrestleMania, does Sina kind of stick around? I mean,
I'm not saying he's gonna become like a foreigny figure

(50:19):
and come out on a four wheeler or nothing, But
I mean, is this one of those scenarios where obviously
when the Rock finally dipped out of WWE, he would
show up every once in a while and then he
disappeared for another two, three, four years at a fucking time.
Is Seena gonna be that guy? Or is Sena like,
I'm fucking done, I'm out of here. I'm gonna go
do some DC shit. Like what do you think do

(50:41):
you think seen as one of those guys, it's gonna
constantly return.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
I think that the company is going to lobby to
have him show up as much as humanly possible, because
once again, he is so tied into what wrestling is.
For twenty something years, he was basically the main character
of the show. Yeah, with some with some variation to

(51:05):
like once again, people can right there, they can write
their revisionist history about Roman Reigns. And it's like, the
second Roman Reigns got actually popular, he stops showing up
as much. Yeah, that's what really bobs too. Yeah, once
they got actually popular, they stopped showing up as much

(51:29):
as opposed to John Cena, who was their star, to
the point where it was like if you ran a
house show in John Cena's fucking name wasn't on the marquee,
it was drawn like a fucking quarter less or half
the amount of people because John Cena's not on it,
I know. So they pushed in all their fucking chips
on John Cena. Then they fucking got some of them

(51:51):
Chips back, and they pushed a whole shit ton ofment
on Roman reigns and now Roman Reigns is like ELL's
fucking show up once a month.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Well, then pushed them in on other people that too, right.
I think there was a point where we believed that
see him Punk and Daniel Brian, we're going to be
the ones to carry the mantle for a while there,
and obviously that didn't fucking happen. Daniel Brian still hasn't
returned yet, which I don't even know if he ever will, right.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
No, I don't even think he won't be able to
do anything in the ring, nor do I think they
should clear him right at this point, right, I mean,
he's a danger to himself and he almost makes Foley's
returns at this point seem well thought out. You know.
They're like, your knees are fucked and your back's fucked

(52:36):
and you're like losing time and shit, and he's like, ah, well,
I don't know, maybe I could do a tag match
or something, Daniel Brien. They were like, hey, what's going
on with you? And he's like I can taste colors
and I can't. I look into mirror and my face
looks like I'm on acid all the time, and they're like, cool,

(52:57):
I want to do forty minutes with Kenny Omega where
you in the face, And he's like yes, yeah, fuck yes,
Well yeah, dude, can I get forty five minutes of
kicking me in the face. Oh that's simply not enough time.
Tell Tigan Knocks to cut her mash to two minutes.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
It is a really weird thing that WWE mishandles a lot,
and not necessarily a TKO or a Vince McMahon thing.
But when you think of like this long term planning, right,
it seems like WWE has had this problem since the
Attitude era. They just can't find people and elevate them
to the level that fans are interested in them to

(53:36):
carry the company right, Like, like you said, and you
brought up Roman Reigns. It's fantastic one because for years
they shoved him down everybody's throats and people were like, eh,
some people like Roman, most people fucking disliked them. And
then the entire bloodline storyline came out. It gave him
some depth of character. It expanded like Roman's fame expanded

(53:56):
to the the the external family, and then they got
that whole thing over and it went over Kevin Owens
and Sam he's ain't to a point, but it all,
it all dissipates, it all teeters out like there's just
no law.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
And then he left and then he left.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Well he was sick too, though, Like that's the other thing.
And I, oh no, I believe me.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
I'm not sitting here being like how Darry leave to
go take care of his cancer. I'm just saying, like, no,
go to work. But I mean, that's like one of
those scenarios. He's got his hair burn his days. He
pumps his wrist, pulls out of clump of hair. He's
just wearing a wig. Oh Jesus, Roman Reigns is coming out.

(54:40):
He's got a fucking IVY drip. Yeah, this is Walker
is a little excessive. You guys think I think he's a.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Much last Walker standing match. I'll be fucking yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Jesus tags him in rips out of ivy. Uh can't
get through the ropes with the fucking his bag attached him.
Oh my god, I'm a monster. Yeah, no, dude, there
is something too, Like you said, they're not able to
continue to read, to put that mojo back into fucking right.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
But they've had so many opportunities, Like even Randy Orton
has become i want to say, more exciting in these
last four or five years than he really has for
a majority of his career. Like we were talking about Seamus,
she has had how many stinker rows of years? Ten years,
ten years, ten years of shame was being fucking iyesre, Like,

(55:34):
oh God, to take the spotlight off the guy. He's
white Jesus. But yeah, it's like that was remember.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
I mean you got to remember Seamus in the United
Nations dressed like the school boy. Like there was so
many fucking horrible years of them. But that's that's it.
It's like some of these people have been on TV
for like ten fifteen years, and it's like, you, who
are they going to replace him?

Speaker 2 (55:59):
With the problems, Like all these guys are finally coming
into a point where they're comfortable almost like when they
get to the attitude of fuck it, I don't care anymore.
They're the best selves, right. Brock Lesnar is more entertaining
now because he really doesn't seem like he gives a shit.
The whole thing with him lifting up the ring on
Roman with the forklift was fucking hilarious, And I'll still

(56:22):
go back to that, like it's just this weird thing.
When these guys are entering the twilhead of career, that's
when they're most that's when they're the most entertaining.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
So well, people are pointing out too, like obviously they're
pushing all their chips in on on seth rawlins, which
that's oh yeah, shit, that's a guy. I mean, boy,
I almost forgot about him. Holy shit, Yes, you want
to talk about you want to talk about reasons to
be concerned about the fucking future of that company? Isn't

(56:52):
that's a guy that they're very clearly clearly all all
engines go or whatever a full steam ahead seth rawlins forever.
You're like, God, damn it.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
That's all. Can we get ten more years out of
AJ Styles? So I got there?

Speaker 1 (57:09):
I know, right? Can somebody give aj like, can we
get some canaver everything for him?

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Can? Can Undertaker just give him a blood transfusion for
whatever the fuck kept him around for another twenty years
past his retirement.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
So can some of you conspiracy guys get him ned
a dream of chrome shit that I hear about? Keep
AJ Styles going, keep all these guys going, but also
to some extent too, Like all right, Cody stepped up
and he used to doing a lot of the legwork
like that is that is true? Cody is filling a
very good, very needed role.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
I'm weird on Cody because I see the fanfare, but
I don't feel it. I have this weird feeling that
Cody is not panning out the way that Wwe expected
him to. And I'm not saying that not for us,
He's not for us. Is that what it is? Is
it just a clear divide in the age of a champion,
Because by all accounts, we should love Cody more than

(58:06):
the new fan base. We should love Cody because he's
constantly referencing the old school, right. He is a product
of Dusty, He's a product of that, the seventies and
eighties guys like by all accounts, Cody should be our
one and only, like the guy that we're talking about
all the time. But I feel like I just can't

(58:26):
be bothered. There's like this weird, nauseating quality to Cody
Rhodes that I just I don't know what it is.
I don't know if it's the repetition, I don't know
if it's the fucking neck tattoo, by the way, good
look for Dom to get the rest of the sleeved
on his throat. But I don't know what it is
about Cody Rhodes that I just can't find myself looking

(58:49):
forward to his matches. Like, don't get me wrong, he
has good matches, He's a good promo, he gets people excited.
I just I have this feeling like Cody's gonna trail
off before seth is.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Cody is radio rock. I think that's a good way
like him. Even even Cody's song, the song He Comes
Out Too, is a genre of music you and I
have never cared about in our fucking lives. But those
dudes that play those types of songs where it's just

(59:23):
like A really ain't my small town and I'm ridding
in my fucking truck and my girlfriend broke up with
me in eleventh grade and I'm still upset about it
and I'm twenty nine. Like that's there is a population,
a large swath of men in this country. Yes, that
that is their life. Truck nuts, hellic shirts, put the

(59:46):
helicopters on them, with the sleeves, with the we the.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
People fucking you know, I Chevy Joe. You don't just
just come out and fucking say it.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Oh no they Oh no, they have strong opinions on
American Truck. Like. I'm not trying to demean these people.
I'm just saying this is who get These are people
to see a guy coming out to fucking Headstrong by
Trapped and they're like, that's my guy, that's my guy.

(01:00:16):
Like they love they love nickel Back and I know
it's hack, but it's true. They love Three Days Grace,
all these bands that I know the names of but
couldn't tell you. Fucking two songs of Cody is for them?
That Who's Cody is for If we're talking about the
male audience, girls like him because he's a nice family man.

(01:00:36):
He's very clean cut. There's no stories of him doing
abominable awful things to women, which in wrestling is considered
like uh, that's considered like a fucking badge of honor apparently.
And you also he's great, he's kids like him, he's
big bro, he's big brother. He gives him the belt,
and he's got a smile on his face and he

(01:00:57):
seems like a nice, sweet guy. He's not to be
for like forty year old men who like alternative fucking
music and hardcore and punk and art like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Right, No, I get you got punk for guys like that,
you got Roman Reigns for the other side of shit,
Like no, I totally get it. He's a genre of music,
He's a genre of radio rock. That's that's fair. But
that's not the problem that I see with him. I
kind of see it like he is going to become
their Sina. I think WWE specifically wants him to become

(01:01:27):
the Sena, but he won't. And they wanted Sena to
become the Rock or Stone Cold, and he wasn't. Like
as much as people want to love Sena, he wasn't
those guys, don't get me wrong. In terms of merch
and money, sales and stuff like that. Seen as a
working man through and through, He's made the money for
the companies, made money for himself. I'm I'm not even

(01:01:48):
using that to gauge his popularity because Sino is willing
to do a lot more and maybe even because he
had a lot more avenues of money available to him
that guys like Stone Cold and Taker and Rock and
all those attitude Our guys didn't even have. So I
look at Cody Rhodes as they want him to be
the replacement for Sina, but I don't think he's up

(01:02:09):
to that task. I don't look at Cody Rhodes and go, oh,
clearly he's going to be that guy. I see Seth
Rollins as being that guy, and man, I.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Royal boy, are they setting up for a fucking fall
If they think that Seth Rollins can carry Johnson.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Well, if it's not. Even if it's not Seth and Cody,
then who is it is? Somebody we haven't named yet?

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Got it?

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Dominate it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
That's where it's kind of scary, man, because, like I
said before, also like Jayu, so.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
It's like, oh god, they have already fucking they've already bailed.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
On that one. Yeah, it's already circling the drain. The
jay Uso thing is already circling the drain. But also
because and you know I said it right when the
jay Uso thing really did start to pop off where
he was doing the whole gimmick, I'm like, there should
be given to a guy like montege Ford. The should
be given to a young guy or a younger guy,

(01:03:05):
not that he's like twenty five or not that he's
still in his late thirties, but like a guy that
could be new fresh they haven't seen all the time.
And truthfully, it's like Jayu Soo, Man, he's for the culture.
It's not fucking shut up.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Jay jay Uso. Give me the Nasha Corey and the
chat brings up. Isn't Roman the new Sina? Why when
he shows up? If anything, Roman's the new broc Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Really, if any, if anything, he's brand Hart without the
wrestling ability. He doesn't have the fucking just.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
A little bitter wear's the lesbian shoes?

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Yes, yes, yes, I want to come over now. There's
no with Roman. There's no fucking like he's not. Roman
is gonna go and he'll do the make a wishes
and he'll do the shift for the kids. You know,
he ain't gonna connect. He's not gonna connect.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Yeah, he's gonna he's gonna meet a lot of grieving mothers,
you know, like right eight, yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Hey, you like my big fake teeth like that's John
Cena for what it's worth. We're not gonna get another
fucking guy like him and wrestling maybe. Ever was he
over pushed? Yes? Was he oversaturated, yes, but did they
put too much off?

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
I think the fact that they could oversaturate him was
the big thing. Not since Hogan has anybody been that oversaturated,
but pretty much not since Hogan has anybody had that
crazy ass work ethic. Like, Look, I know Hogan is
gone and he's a piece of ship and everything else
like that, but man, he would slap his logo, his
face on anything, anything. He would do whatever it took

(01:04:52):
to make a nickel. And I always felt like John
Cena adopted that characteristic of Hogan without all the other bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Yeah, well it was dude, not even just that, all right?
And I think this is where and I will probably
be able to note this about John Cena for the
rest of his career as a performer. And I see
it as like a point of telling me what kind
of a person that he is to some extent, not
including the twenty years of not really having any problems

(01:05:22):
in treating kids well and being a decent person, But
like this one thing that happened over the summer that
I made reference of on the show that to me
was very telling, which was the price point of him
meeting people at the comic con in Boston.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
Yea.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
When I saw that. When I saw it was like
two hundred bucks to meet him and get a picture
with him and an autograph or whatever. I saw that
and I said, this is a person that, by hook
or by crook, this is why you put him in
a position to succeed, because do you think that John
Cena couldn't find But what was the Undertaker charging like

(01:05:59):
fucking two grand or some shit to meet him? It's like,
fuck off, what a piece of shit that is.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
I think it was four hundred when we were there.
Wasn't it four hundred something? But there was just so
many fucking so many people. It was lined up around
the around the airport, man like it was.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
It's still ridiculous. That's such a like And it's almost like, oh,
what's the difference? Twice as much? Twice as much? Yeah,
I mean, my god, like you it to me. There
is a point where I look at it. I go,
this is somebody that knows truly who their audience is.
The Undertaker is sitting there going, yeah, sure, four or
five hundred bucks that could meet me, and you know

(01:06:37):
it's just gonna be old, smelly guys who want to
talk to him. About Mick Foley falling off the cage right,
and he's like, uh, you know, I used to meet
your brother, gives him a fucking fist bump or whatever
like that's who Undertaker is trying to appeal to John
SENA setting that price point, you sent a message of
I am for kids, I am for families. I want

(01:06:57):
people to that care about me and take me seriously
as somebody that impacted their life to have a reasonable
opportunity to meet me and shake my hand and get
a picture.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Do you think let me think that tells And now
we're at this point because we were already talking about
the fact is seeing it hang around WWE after he
goes off the air, does seem to just pack it up.
He has enough money, he's just fucking actually actually retire
as a wrestler and just as his family retires.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
As a wrestler. Man. But I think he does the
right thing as far as if he has the ability
to go do these types of shows and events, I
think he's gonna take the opportunity to do that right.
And I mean I don't think he's gonna be a
guy who he's I'm never gonna slow down. I only
have one hundred million dollars. I think he's gonna get always,

(01:07:48):
going to enjoy his time, enjoy his life, and still
put in his work. But like in that instance, someone
who has his money, someone who has his fame, someone
who has his notoriety to still be grounded enough to
see that and go, I want this to be an
opportunity still for people to care about me and love
me and want to meet me. I want that to

(01:08:10):
be a thing. And dare I even evoke the name
of you know, one of my favorite Bustonian icons at
this point. I mean, he's from California, but you know,
like Sasha Banks, But you ain't paying two hundred dollars
to meet fucking Tom Brady, are you? Bos go look

(01:08:31):
at fan fanatics that you ain't paying two hundred dollars
to meet him in the city of Boston. That's for
fucking short, right, you know, like you ain't paying two
hundred dollars to meet Larry Bird. You know, like these
are people that they understand, like he understands, Like I'm
gonna try to be accessible and try to be a
good person. You think Roman Reigns will be doing that

(01:08:51):
in five years and then he'll be charging two hundred
bucks for people. Yes, no, not a fucking chance, not
a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Well, it's gonna be real difficult to get that many
people into the hospital, Joe. It's just you know, that's
a good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
I mean meeting out. Yeah, you're right, meeting hours or
visiting hours, meeting out. He has meeting hours in the
at I g outside in his RV with the nurses.
But uh, meeting hours a different story. Let's finish off
this raw.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
We had Charlotte Flair and Bliss versus the Knowing Kabookie
Warriors for the women's tag team titles, and all.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Right, no thanks, why is this the main event of your.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Because they're hyping up war games, that's what they're trying
to do, and the title switch. The Kabookie Warriors now
snort games.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
I don't. I'm glad that they brought re She's got
she got on the masks, she got a good she
obviously got to be a reaction, and that was the point.
But there is also like, all right, enough enough, you
already made us fucking citroate Nicky Bella Angle not gonna

(01:10:02):
watch Alexa Bliss. This is my fucking main event, Like,
how about you just tell people to leave early at
that point.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
I mean, I'm sure they did.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
I'm sure, I'm sure they did. I'm sure there was
a mad fucking dash to the Mike's Pastries in North
Station at that point because they were going to get
themselves some Canoli's because they ain't sitting there watching this shit.
I mean, once again, love Oscar, love Charlotte, but we
really don't need uh, Kyrie saying there and Alexa Bluish

(01:10:32):
should probably just go to fuck home. Yeah, so that's
it's unneeded. But I guess you got Rya, so there
you go. But yeah, not a great raw And I,
like I said, I just feel like we're focusing on
the season series finale energy of seeing it being out there,
and I'm going, I'm not so sure they want to

(01:10:52):
lean into this so much.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Man, I think it's all they have left. It feels like, uh,
it feels like they're playing the last hands. Like there's
a couple more things they have, right, They got Seampunk's retirement,
and that's what it feels like. It feels like the
next big momentous things that are gonna happen in wwe
are people leaving, everyone going away, everyone leaving, right, I mean,

(01:11:17):
we just went down the list of the people that
have been let go. But yeah, you really have to
pay attention to the list of all the people leaving.
That's what the highlight is going to be. Every pay
per view next year should just be somebody fucking retiring.
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Hey, they fired all those people so they could license
a fucking green Day song for the next two years
if you had the time.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Jericho ether Lax says, Jericho comes back, Yeah, just to leave,
just to retire. He comes back just to fucking retire.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
Yeah, they're bringing they're bringing Jericho back. The girls feel
too secure in the lock of room to get him, like,
you know, we haven't had a leering drunken here.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
Heybody's getting back in shape. Have you seen those abs?

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Yeah? Yeah, which, which, by the way, like more power
to you. You're in shape for a guy that's fifty
five years old. Yeah, but ain't nobody want to see
that ship?

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Nobody want to see that? No, I want to see
what when you are old, When you're an older guy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Even dude, sorry, when you're.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
An older guy, even when you're in shape, that's like,
that's your wife wants to see that. You know, I
was just joking with Daly too.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
I'm like, honey, I've lost over one hundred and twenty
pounds and I am afraid to show off my stomach
to anybody. But you know, like it's what like, nobody
wants to see me at the beach, bro like at
the fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
But that's like, that's it. It's like to some extent,
and I think, once again, this is like an age thing.
And I'm a fucking forty year old guy now too,
so I feel like I have a little stake in
the game here. But like that's what you're supposed to do,
Like it's supposed to be like to your friends, You're like, dude,
I lost wait, man, I'm losing weight. I feel good
about what they're like to your wife friend, you know,

(01:13:17):
Jerica wants to be a mainstream George Clooney or something
ash George plenty dates the ship out of me wants
to be a George. Here's a Rigoro, Freddie Pringe.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
The Rock, Hudson Fuck Jerry lookers, sir, Yeah, no, like
but that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
It's like, dude, you're fifty five, fucking put your shirt on, man,
hold on, we can still see you got traps. Man.
It's fucking weird. It's weird you're older.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
It's not that the rumors that he's supposedly had surgery
to look that way right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
There. Yeah, yeah, but which is also fine. But still
keep that shit to yourself. Keep it to yourself. Oh,
because let me tell you, if you think the Internet,
the Internet is gonna shower you with compliments, are you new?

(01:14:18):
Are you new? Because there's like, right now, there are
thousands of just completely unattainably attractive women to the vast
majority of men posting fucking thirst traps on Instagram to
sell o ass or to get traction so they can

(01:14:39):
you know, sell their own you know, ag one Greens
promotions or whatever the fuck. And there's a guy leaving
a comment on it, going forehead, big nose, right right,
and she's like unattainably once again, so insanely attractive they
couldn't even imagine. And fifty five year old Chris Jericho's

(01:15:01):
putting a picture of his his fucking titties that look
like fucking bull of a bull of ramen with nipples.
Look at my nipple. Chi.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
He does like he looks great for his age, for
for his frame, but yeah, nobody cares.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
And sometimes when you're dead and you're decomposed, you look
better than other skeletons. That mean people want to see it,
that time is.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Gone, want to sleep with it. You know, it's just yeah, speak.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
For you soon. The Necro Numbers ship Chris Jericho has
great geen the jeans out and he's like, yeah, I
oh not for all you think. You know what, Chris

(01:15:57):
Jericho should get lip filler.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Sure bad of the some ducklifts. Chris Jericho at ducklifts,
that'd be great. Yeah, good quip.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
Post some pictures of your fucking old man said nipples.
Get some fucking lip piller. Be a real hotty Hatty
Bugatti pal So fucking Jericho.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
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things happened yesterday, so we'll be back Thursday. And of
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(01:16:41):
Jeff F. Lipman and I think he's what fifty seven
fifty eight fifty.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Eight don't post your nipples online, but.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
So yeah, please don't do that, all right? Peace?

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