August 21, 2025 • 27 mins
Bestselling authors William and Lara Bernhardt discuss the latest news from the book world, offer writing tips, and interview Candace Kade, the author of The Hybrid series, a YA sci-fi trilogy.
00:00 Opening Thoughts
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03:51 News
1) Siegel and Shuster Plaza Opens in Cleveland
07:43 Craft Corner
Desiree Duffy from Black Chateau and Books That Make You explains the FIVE main benefits of writing conferences. Some of them may surprise you...
11:59 Interview with Candace Kade
25:52 Parting Words
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00:00 Opening Thoughts
LAST CALL for WriterCon 2025 at the Skirvin Hilton in OKC over Labor Day weekend, August 29-September 1. Over 60 speakers and over 100 breakout sessions, pitching, manuscript reviews, private consultations, etc. It’s also a great opportunity to meet other writers, people who share your hopes and dreams, form critique groups or gain beta readers, or present your work at the Open Mic. It is NOT too late to register! Learn more at: www.writercon.com/conference/
03:51 News
1) Siegel and Shuster Plaza Opens in Cleveland
07:43 Craft Corner
Desiree Duffy from Black Chateau and Books That Make You explains the FIVE main benefits of writing conferences. Some of them may surprise you...
11:59 Interview with Candace Kade
25:52 Parting Words
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This week on the writer Con podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
So I think this will have to go back to
the first excellent piece of advice I received in college.
And this was the first time I had met a real,
live author and I asked her for advice.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
And it's still today the best advice I've ever received.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
So can't claim this that's my own, but I love it.
And she said, live life to the fullest and then
write about it.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Welcome to writer Con, a gathering place for writers to
share their knowledge about writing and the writing world. Your
hosts are William Bernhardt, best selling novelist and author of
the Red Sneaker books on writing, and Laura Bernhardt, Award
winning author the Want lnd Files book series.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Thank you, Jesse Ulrich. Hey there writers, thanks for joining
us today. So this is the last podcast before writer Con,
so you probably won't be price if I talk about
writer Con, which is the annual writers conference Laura and
I host this year at the scurve in Hilton in
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Oklahoma City over a Labor Day weekend, which means August
twenty ninth through September one sixty more than sixty speakers
now over one hundred sessions. There's pitching, no additional charge, contests,
manuscript reviews, private consultations, great opportunity to meet other writers,
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people who share your hopes and dreams. Maybe form a
critique group, or get some beta readers, or present your
work at the open mic. Our daughter Katie leads a gathering.
We've done this for several years now for people who
want to form critique groups. Lara, how many critique groups
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would you guess have started since Katie started doing that
at the conferences.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
I don't know, but I know that go with a
high number. I know that I know that they're active though,
I know that those connections stay solid and that they help.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
So yeah, yeah, she's very good at it. And Jesse,
of course records every single session so registered guests can
listen to them after the conference. And remember six sessions
on Saturday probably, but five on the other two. So
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do you have to buy extra mics or something?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Well, I mean that's a question for our tiny av
people or whoever. I assume. I assume the Scurbon has
a more sort of robust conference area, so I assume
these rooms are already going to have sound in them,
so I don't have to bring my own mics this time.
And I can just walk into a board. But that's
something we'll talk about in that at couple of weeks.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
It seems like that would probably one can help necessary anyway,
great speakers this year are going to be great content
and great opportunity to take your writing career to the
next level. The website is writercon dot com. That's w
R I T E R c O N dot com.
(03:16):
All right, our interview today is with Candice Kaid. She's
the author of the Hybrid series. That's a young adult
science fiction trilogy. The third volume has dropped. She is
also a certified let's say, if I can say this right,
Krav Magah instructor. And if you don't know what that is,
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well I guess you're just going to have to listen
to the interview right, no other way to find out. Yeah,
and we will get to that.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
But first the news.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
News story number one, Well, this is a bit of
a change of pace and sort of personal, but you'll
understand in a minute. But I just thought, hey, change
of pace, let's have a news story that's actually kind
of nice. So this one's about the Siegel and Schuster Plaza,
which opened earlier this month in Cleveland, Ohio. This is
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a story about Superman and his two creators, that's writer
Jerry Siegel and artist Joe Schuster. And I'm not just
bringing this up because I'm a major Superman geek or
because i wrote that book, The Superman Wars that's coming
out next year next year, which is about Jerry Siegel
and his never ending battle. As some of you know,
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Superman was an instant hit from the moment he appeared
in nineteen thirty eight, but Siegel and Schuster lost control
of the character and were not only fired, but had
their creator credit removed from their work. Both spent decades
hustling and scrambling, you know, to survive, while corporate owners
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became quite prosperous. And anyway, the sad part of the
story to me, and what drew me to this, is
that it's so emblematic of how we too often treat
the creators who give us so much pleasure. But earlier
this month, Jerry and Joe got their due. A new
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tribute was unveiled in Cleveland. That's the city where these
two kids there were seventeen when they came up with
the first version of Superman. They lived in Cleveland and
created Superman there. So the convention Center now displays Siegel
and Schuster Plaza, which has three statues, ones of course,
of Superman flying around, and ones of a phone booth
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with I assume Clark Kent's clothes bundled up at the bottom,
and one of Jerry Joe and Joanne, the woman who
first modeled for Lois Lane and who later married Jerry Siegel.
This is a recognition for an author that I think
is long overdue. Laura, I've dragged you to a lot
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of writers' homes. You want to go see Siegel and
Schuster Plaza?
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Absolutely, definitely. I love when we go and see writer homes.
Those are great memories and this would be super fun,
especially in light of your upcoming book.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
We should probably get the van and take the kids
and just make it a family thing, because this is
kind of a family book. It's how a family stuck,
excuse me, stuck together and eventually it worked out. Jesse,
(06:55):
I feel like you should do a book signing there
in Cleveland, do you think? Yeah? At the plaza both
just for people walking by on their way to work.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Just take a card table, settle it up, your books
out on it.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I mean definitely stop in Cleveland for sure. So yeah,
it's interesting what comes out of Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
So like it's roll Superman. Those are the two greatest
inventions of the Cleveh century.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
The Cleve as it was called in thirty Rock.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Is that all right?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, they're making a joke about how everyone want to
leave New York for Cleveland and they called it the Cleve.
It's just something I've remembered, like fifteen years later. That's
how my brain works.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
All right, let's move on to craft corner. Craft Corner, we're.
Speaker 7 (07:48):
Talking about the value of writing conferences on Craft Corner.
Writer conferences can feel intimidating at first. You're a writer,
after all, preferring to express your thoughts and ideas through
the written world, often buffered from direct contact with the
outside world, and maybe you prefer it that way. But
hear me out. Writer conferences like writer Con and so
(08:10):
many others offer tremendous value, and it goes beyond the
typical networking opportunities that you know I'm going to talk about.
I have four vast reasons to attend writers' conferences that
should not be ignored. Plus there's a final bonus reason
that might surprise even the veteran writers out there. Number one, Yes,
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connections matter.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
You're going to.
Speaker 7 (08:35):
Meet fellow writers and be able to network and forge
relationships that last a lifetime, and it's going to provide
you with so many opportunities. But there's more. Don't forget
about the literary agents and the publishers, the editors who
you're going to meet. Being able to network them and
have them maybe accept your pitch is something that you
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just can't get online. Number two real world industry insight.
You're going to gain practical advice on querying, publishing trends,
market expectations directly from professionals in the field. And that
means that they might be sharing things in person with
you that they might not necessarily be saying out loud.
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Be ready to get insider insights you didn't even know
you need it. Number Three feedback that you can actually use.
Critique sessions and workshops. They offer clear, actionable input about
your manuscript, maybe helping to identify what's working, what still
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needs revision. It's a bit like going back to school,
but it can be invaluable because they're going to talk
to you about your work, not give generic advice. And
this is especially good for new writers in the industry
who really might need a little bit of extra handholding.
Number four. All right, As a book marketer and promoter,
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I see how writers' conferences can help prepare writers for
the real world of book promotion. Let me say the
quiet part out loud. Okay, you ready for some hard truths.
Many authors have unrealistic expectations. They don't always see where
their book sits in the marketplace or understand some of
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the challenges that they're going to face. Are the opportunities
that are out there for them and their book and
their voice. Writers' conferences help you get a realistic grasp
on market trends, on things like social media and the
promotional tools, all of that knowledge. That is something that
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you need and it's going to serve you so far
long after your first book launches. Okay, now be ready
for something that you might not have expected. Learning to
talk about your book without cringing. That's my number five.
Conferences are going to teach you to describe your book
in natural conversation. You get to practice saying what your
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book is about in hallways over coffee with other writers. Well,
waiting for the elevator by the time you meet an
agent or an editor, or are talking about your book
on your favorite literary podcast, You're going to be able
to share your books part without fumbling or feeling nervous,
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and that confidence can set you up for promotional and
literary success far far down the road. So if you've
been on the fence about whether you should attend a
writer's conference this year or next year, consider it an
investment in your writing journey. You never know who you're
going to meet, what piece of advice is going to
unlock a crucial element in your writing, or how it's
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going to change your view of your own unique writing journey.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Thank you, all right to talk to Candace Caid. Candace Caid,
Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to
be here.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
I'm glad you could come. Okay, first question, if you
could offer writers one piece of advice, what would it be?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
So, I think this will have to go back to
the first excellent piece of advice I received in college.
And this was the first time I had met a real,
live author and I asked her for advice and it's
still today the best advice I've ever received.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
So Cake claim this that's my own, but I love it.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
And she said live life to the fullest and then
write about it. And I have found that to be
so good. And there's so many things I never would
have thought to do to try out to face some
of my fears, things like in college, you know, my
fears were karaoke and going with my friends and singing
in public, or dancing or public speaking, or I had
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all these things that I had never tried before.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
And the more of.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Life that I experienced, you know, brewing my own kombucha,
experimenting with sourdough, bread making, enrolling in martial arts, all
these things that I probably wouldn't have thought to try,
and all these little life experiences have greatly enriched all
of my storytelling, from sci fi to fantasy everything in between.
So that's the advice I love to give writers, no
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matter where you're at in your process, is have hobbies,
have fun, take risks, try new things, live life to
the fullest, and then go write about it.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
As terrific answer, Thanks so much. All right, let's start
at the beginning. How did you get started writing?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I've been writing since I was sixteen years old. I
grew up in China, my family moved there when I
was four years old, and so I was going to
Chinese public school at part time and then being homeschooled
my English school part time. And I always loved reading
and writing. And when I read the book Aragom and
realize a fifteen year old had written it, that's when
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the light bulb really clicked in my mind and I realized, oh,
you don't have to be an adult to be an author.
You can start writing at any age. And so sixteen
is when I decided I'm going to be an author someday,
and I started writing, and I just fell in love
with it and have been doing it ever since.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Nice, Okay, you're still doing it clearly yep. And you're
married and you've got two children. I think maybe I'm
not a creeper, but I do research for the interviews
and anyways, So how do you find time to write?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Oh? Man, it's different in every season. And so this
is something I always tell writers too, is like experiment
with different patterns, experiment with different ways of planning your
book and finding time to write. You know, when I
was in high school, it was just in the afternoons.
It counted for part of my class.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Part of my.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Homeschooling class was a writing class, so it counted towards that.
In college, it was really you know, I had internships
and I was working, and so it was only during
the holidays that I had time to write. And then
when I was working a corporate job, it was early,
early four thirty in the morning sometimes weekends. But now,
you know, as a mom, me and my husband tag
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team a lot of watching our kids, and so I'll
have one day and he'll take the kids, and then
the next day I'll take the kids and he'll go
and work, and so it's one day on one day off.
But for me, I've found in the mornings is the
most productive time for me, and so that's why I
try and get all my writing done. Don't look at
my phone, don't I literally will keep my phone and
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do not disturb mode till I get my writing done,
all the creative things done that I need. I know
it's hard to get a hold of me. It's everyone's
really annoyed. I'm sorry. I apologize mom and all my friends.
I know I'm impossibly get a hold of. But yeah,
I keep my phone and do not disturb mode until
I've done all the things that require the most creative
energy from me. And then in the afternoon, you know,
if I need a post to social media, if I
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need to write my newsletter, all the business things that
come into being a writer.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
That's why I trying to get those things done.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Yeah, all right, let's talk about your books now. Tell
us about the Hybrid series.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, so this is a young adult near future sci
fi series. It's set one hundred years in the future
where everyone has genetic enhancements sort of like superpowers, so
enhanced intelligence, enhanced physical stuff, the ability to breathe underwater,
and so in this world, society is divided sharply by
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those who have all these amazing genetic enhancements and then
those who are born naturally and are at a huge
disadvantage and are stuck in the gritty outskirts working in
the AI factories. And so the main character, she's born naturally,
doesn't have any enhancements, but is adopted by accident into
the enhanced elite society and has to hide this fact
or it'd be very deadly for her and her family.
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So there's forbidden love, futuristic motorcycle races, AI games. But
this is a series about a girl trying to find
her place where, find her place in a world where
her DNA determines her destiny.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Sounds like something Alan would love me too, but especially him.
All right, so you are a certified crub MAGA instructor.
Is this correct?
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Yes? Can you tell me about that?
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:26):
So back to me in high school trying to write
my first ever fantasy novel.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Course, there's lots.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Of epic battles and fight scenes, and every time I
would just have this big blank in my story where
it's aid insert epic fight scene or about I.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Just couldn't write it.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
And you know, years later the manuscript was done except
these fight scenes and these training scenes, and I just
could not figure out how to write them. Was having
such bad writer's block. And so finally, when I was
in grad school, I decide, you know what, I'm just
going to roll in a martial arts class. Just go
a couple times. I just need to know how how
do you even throw a punch? Like?
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I just need to know some basics here.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
And so I asked an ex cop, Hey, for a woman,
what's the best martial arts that I should take? Like,
what's the most practical? How can I actually learn how
to defend myself. If I'm going to go to a
couple classes, I might as well learn something. And so
went to a Krapmagod class and loved it so much
I just kept going even after those scenes were written.
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And yeah, I just fell in love with it to
the point where I got my instructor's certification and just
absolutely loved it. So, yeah, it was for the sake
of writing, but I got a little distracted, took a
little detour there.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
That's very interesting that you came to it to help
your writing. You were just talking about how you have
to try new things. Yes, because it happens to me
write about and it brought something to your life that
you love.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Action scenes are the hardest thing to write. Dialogue I
can do that all night, but having action and fighting,
that's tough. I've bet well, I'll come to your session now,
or maybe there will be somebody there recording them all. Jesse,
what do you think? He's all fine?
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Okay, Well, I see that you and your husband are
learning Mandarin, which I've been told is one of the
hardest languages in the world to learn. Is this just another.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Another thing to challenge yourself? Is this for a book?
What brought this about?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
So? I actually already speak Bandarin, having lived in China.
So it's my husband and my boys who are learning it. Okay,
So yeah, I speak to my boys exclusively in Mandarin,
and then he speaks to them in English and so wow, Yeah,
our three and a half year old is already bilingual.
And then my husband is actually learning Mandarin from my boys.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
It's really funny.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
When I have time, I teach him to but most
of it he's learning from our boys. You know. They'll
come up and say something to him and he's like
and heard that word before?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
And I come over to me be.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Like, Jurju have you is jurjuish Chinese word? And I'm like, oh,
Jurju like that spider? Where did they say that? Like, yes,
that's important word.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
So all his.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Mandarin he's learning through our boys. It's really fun.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
That is beautiful, nice, really neat? Do they ever you
ever get confused? So I had I had a nephew
in a similar situation, and when he didn't get the
answer that he wanted, he tried the other language.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Oh we have a lot of Chinglish going on in
this house.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Yes, for sure, so cute, sweet, it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Well, why don't we talk about the writing process? How
do you get started? Are you on is there going
to be book four in this trilogy? Or are you
starting something new? Now?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Yeah, that's the three books. That's the end.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I'm a trilogy kind of gal. I don't go on four, five,
six books. Gosh, maybe someday, but no, no, I'm a
triller kind of girl.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
So that'll be the end.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
And then right now I'm working on a fantasy trilogy.
But you know, again, for each book, I think my
process has been totally different. For the first fantasy novel
I ever wrote, it took me ten years, and my
process was all over the place. You know, the people
talk about your first book, you.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
May call the mistakes. I definitely did.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
And then after that I discovered Save the Cat writes
a novel, and that was just so helpful for me
to understand plotting and how do you think about pacing
and what are the big beats you're trying to hit?
And so after that I changed my process and now
I typically have a very rough outline that loosely follows
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Save the Cat, and then once I have that, I'll
start worldbuilding more so I thinking about my characters more.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I'll do brainstorming. Usually.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I like to have if I can, six months just
to do kind of in the back of my brain,
maybe while I'm working on edits for something else or
different project, but just at the back of my brain,
having these ideas flowing. And then I like to sit
down and do a really quick one month push to
write a fifty thousand word rough, terrible first draft, and
then I spent a lot of time editing it. But again,
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my process can look different. When I wrote Enhanced, I
actually had moved back to China and was working there,
and so I knew I had always wanted to write
something loosely inspired by Chinese culture, and so while I
was there, I decided, you know what I've been working on,
you know that first novel, the Fantasy series for a
long time, I want to work on something new. I'm
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going to write this Asian inspired novel. And so for
that one, because my relocation assignment was only a year long,
I didn't do the six.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Month long planning plotting.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I just dove right in and wrote it very very quickly.
So again I tell people try different things, different seasons,
different books call for different things, but generally I do like,
especially if it's a heavy world building book, sci fi fantasy,
I do like to give myself time to just at
the back of my brain be thinking about, you know,
the magic elements or sci fi elements, or what is
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this world going to look like, the characters, and then
sit down outline it, and then get that first draft
done really quickly.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Very cool.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
I'm gonna hot back to your bio for a second.
It says you can be bribed with boba tea, fluffy puppies,
and breakfast tacos. Is this true? Did we just fill
all the tea?
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yes, you did. Boba tea. I grew up on that
in China. I love it so much.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I'm so glad that we have it here in America now.
And then breakfast tacos.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
It's so funny.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Because when I moved back from China to the United
States for college, I moved to Oklahoma, and then I
moved to Texas for grad school, and then Austin different
part texts for work, and I didn't know breakfast tacos
were a thing. I thought people were just making fun
of me being from Oklahoma and China. I was like, Eh,
this sounds like I'm you know, this doesn't sound real.
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It sounds like breakfast burritos. I know that that's a
real thing, but I was not convinced breakfast tacos were
a thing for a while.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
But then yeah, discover them and fell in love with them.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
So breakfast tacos, fluffy tuck, fluffy puppies, and Boba t
r some of my favorite things.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Very cool.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
I have to ask, from China to Oklahoma, what brought
you here?
Speaker 3 (24:25):
What was that? Yeah? I mean college.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
But when we came back to the States to visit family,
A lot of my family is based in Oklahoma, so Oklahoma,
out of all the United States, felt the most like home,
even though it still felt very much like.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
A foreign country moving here to college.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
At least people, Yeah, very cool.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Can we talk about Ryder Con for just a minute
because you're coming.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Right, Yes, I'm so excited.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Yeah, we're very glad you could make it. So what
are you going to do? You're teaching some class, right
I am.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I'm teaching a session called Galaxies and Kingdoms and it's
all about world building. So from sci fi to fantasy worlds,
how do you really bring those to life with vibrant
details and I'm so excited. I love talking about world buildings,
so it's gonna be really fun.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Great, thank you again for coming. Hey, what do we
what should we be looking for next? If you know
what's what next, thing is going to have your name
on the cover.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I mean the fantasy ones a long ways off, so,
but but keep your eye out. There will be a
fantasy trilogy coming at some point.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Okay, well there, we need to make it a series.
Then you have to come back on the podcast periodically
to update us on where you are on the project.
Absolutely all right, Candice, thanks so much for being on
the podcast.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Thanks for having me. See you guys soon.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Yeah bye bye. Now, just a few parting words, Laura Jesse,
is there anything I've left out about writer Con and
why all our writer friends need to be there? Like
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Hotel us Haunted.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Hotels Haunted, it has a working hot tub that was mine.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
I was gonna remind Jesse there's a hot You don't
have to remind me.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I know it's in the basement.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
And Laura and I will be there and Jesse will
be there and everyone we've talked to this month, Sydney
and Candice and Abigail and about sixty other writers and
agents and publishers and people in the industry.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
It's just a great time. There's great energy. It's a
great space for creators to be in. As someone who
is not a writer, I enjoy being around different creatives.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
It feels great. Yeah. Thanks, all right, go visit the
website writercon dot com. It's not too late to register.
We would love to see you there. Let me also
remind you that we have a free newsletter and if
you don't want to miss out on the next issue,
go to substack and search for writer Con. And if
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you're enjoying the podcast, hey, subscribe, then rate or review
it wherever you get a chance to get your podcasts.
It does make it easier for new listeners to discover us,
and I like that. All right, until next time, keep
writing and remember you cannot fail if you refuse to quit.
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See you next time.
This week on the writer Con podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
So I think this will have to go back to
the first excellent piece of advice I received in college.
And this was the first time I had met a real,
live author and I asked her for advice.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
And it's still today the best advice I've ever received.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
So can't claim this that's my own, but I love it.
And she said, live life to the fullest and then
write about it.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Welcome to writer Con, a gathering place for writers to
share their knowledge about writing and the writing world. Your
hosts are William Bernhardt, best selling novelist and author of
the Red Sneaker books on writing, and Laura Bernhardt, Award
winning author the Want lnd Files book series.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Thank you, Jesse Ulrich. Hey there writers, thanks for joining
us today. So this is the last podcast before writer Con,
so you probably won't be price if I talk about
writer Con, which is the annual writers conference Laura and
I host this year at the scurve in Hilton in
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Oklahoma City over a Labor Day weekend, which means August
twenty ninth through September one sixty more than sixty speakers
now over one hundred sessions. There's pitching, no additional charge, contests,
manuscript reviews, private consultations, great opportunity to meet other writers,
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people who share your hopes and dreams. Maybe form a
critique group, or get some beta readers, or present your
work at the open mic. Our daughter Katie leads a gathering.
We've done this for several years now for people who
want to form critique groups. Lara, how many critique groups
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would you guess have started since Katie started doing that
at the conferences.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
I don't know, but I know that go with a
high number. I know that I know that they're active though,
I know that those connections stay solid and that they help.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
So yeah, yeah, she's very good at it. And Jesse,
of course records every single session so registered guests can
listen to them after the conference. And remember six sessions
on Saturday probably, but five on the other two. So
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do you have to buy extra mics or something?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Well, I mean that's a question for our tiny av
people or whoever. I assume. I assume the Scurbon has
a more sort of robust conference area, so I assume
these rooms are already going to have sound in them,
so I don't have to bring my own mics this time.
And I can just walk into a board. But that's
something we'll talk about in that at couple of weeks.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
It seems like that would probably one can help necessary anyway,
great speakers this year are going to be great content
and great opportunity to take your writing career to the
next level. The website is writercon dot com. That's w
R I T E R c O N dot com.
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All right, our interview today is with Candice Kaid. She's
the author of the Hybrid series. That's a young adult
science fiction trilogy. The third volume has dropped. She is
also a certified let's say, if I can say this right,
Krav Magah instructor. And if you don't know what that is,
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well I guess you're just going to have to listen
to the interview right, no other way to find out. Yeah,
and we will get to that.
Speaker 6 (03:47):
But first the news.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
News story number one, Well, this is a bit of
a change of pace and sort of personal, but you'll
understand in a minute. But I just thought, hey, change
of pace, let's have a news story that's actually kind
of nice. So this one's about the Siegel and Schuster Plaza,
which opened earlier this month in Cleveland, Ohio. This is
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a story about Superman and his two creators, that's writer
Jerry Siegel and artist Joe Schuster. And I'm not just
bringing this up because I'm a major Superman geek or
because i wrote that book, The Superman Wars that's coming
out next year next year, which is about Jerry Siegel
and his never ending battle. As some of you know,
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Superman was an instant hit from the moment he appeared
in nineteen thirty eight, but Siegel and Schuster lost control
of the character and were not only fired, but had
their creator credit removed from their work. Both spent decades
hustling and scrambling, you know, to survive, while corporate owners
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became quite prosperous. And anyway, the sad part of the
story to me, and what drew me to this, is
that it's so emblematic of how we too often treat
the creators who give us so much pleasure. But earlier
this month, Jerry and Joe got their due. A new
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tribute was unveiled in Cleveland. That's the city where these
two kids there were seventeen when they came up with
the first version of Superman. They lived in Cleveland and
created Superman there. So the convention Center now displays Siegel
and Schuster Plaza, which has three statues, ones of course,
of Superman flying around, and ones of a phone booth
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with I assume Clark Kent's clothes bundled up at the bottom,
and one of Jerry Joe and Joanne, the woman who
first modeled for Lois Lane and who later married Jerry Siegel.
This is a recognition for an author that I think
is long overdue. Laura, I've dragged you to a lot
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of writers' homes. You want to go see Siegel and
Schuster Plaza?
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Absolutely, definitely. I love when we go and see writer homes.
Those are great memories and this would be super fun,
especially in light of your upcoming book.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
We should probably get the van and take the kids
and just make it a family thing, because this is
kind of a family book. It's how a family stuck,
excuse me, stuck together and eventually it worked out. Jesse,
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I feel like you should do a book signing there
in Cleveland, do you think? Yeah? At the plaza both
just for people walking by on their way to work.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Just take a card table, settle it up, your books
out on it.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I mean definitely stop in Cleveland for sure. So yeah,
it's interesting what comes out of Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
So like it's roll Superman. Those are the two greatest
inventions of the Cleveh century.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
The Cleve as it was called in thirty Rock.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Is that all right?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, they're making a joke about how everyone want to
leave New York for Cleveland and they called it the Cleve.
It's just something I've remembered, like fifteen years later. That's
how my brain works.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
All right, let's move on to craft corner. Craft Corner, we're.
Speaker 7 (07:48):
Talking about the value of writing conferences on Craft Corner.
Writer conferences can feel intimidating at first. You're a writer,
after all, preferring to express your thoughts and ideas through
the written world, often buffered from direct contact with the
outside world, and maybe you prefer it that way. But
hear me out. Writer conferences like writer Con and so
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many others offer tremendous value, and it goes beyond the
typical networking opportunities that you know I'm going to talk about.
I have four vast reasons to attend writers' conferences that
should not be ignored. Plus there's a final bonus reason
that might surprise even the veteran writers out there. Number one, Yes,
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connections matter.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
You're going to.
Speaker 7 (08:35):
Meet fellow writers and be able to network and forge
relationships that last a lifetime, and it's going to provide
you with so many opportunities. But there's more. Don't forget
about the literary agents and the publishers, the editors who
you're going to meet. Being able to network them and
have them maybe accept your pitch is something that you
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just can't get online. Number two real world industry insight.
You're going to gain practical advice on querying, publishing trends,
market expectations directly from professionals in the field. And that
means that they might be sharing things in person with
you that they might not necessarily be saying out loud.
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Be ready to get insider insights you didn't even know
you need it. Number Three feedback that you can actually use.
Critique sessions and workshops. They offer clear, actionable input about
your manuscript, maybe helping to identify what's working, what still
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needs revision. It's a bit like going back to school,
but it can be invaluable because they're going to talk
to you about your work, not give generic advice. And
this is especially good for new writers in the industry
who really might need a little bit of extra handholding.
Number four. All right, As a book marketer and promoter,
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I see how writers' conferences can help prepare writers for
the real world of book promotion. Let me say the
quiet part out loud. Okay, you ready for some hard truths.
Many authors have unrealistic expectations. They don't always see where
their book sits in the marketplace or understand some of
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the challenges that they're going to face. Are the opportunities
that are out there for them and their book and
their voice. Writers' conferences help you get a realistic grasp
on market trends, on things like social media and the
promotional tools, all of that knowledge. That is something that
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you need and it's going to serve you so far
long after your first book launches. Okay, now be ready
for something that you might not have expected. Learning to
talk about your book without cringing. That's my number five.
Conferences are going to teach you to describe your book
in natural conversation. You get to practice saying what your
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book is about in hallways over coffee with other writers. Well,
waiting for the elevator by the time you meet an
agent or an editor, or are talking about your book
on your favorite literary podcast, You're going to be able
to share your books part without fumbling or feeling nervous,
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and that confidence can set you up for promotional and
literary success far far down the road. So if you've
been on the fence about whether you should attend a
writer's conference this year or next year, consider it an
investment in your writing journey. You never know who you're
going to meet, what piece of advice is going to
unlock a crucial element in your writing, or how it's
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going to change your view of your own unique writing journey.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Thank you, all right to talk to Candace Caid. Candace Caid,
Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to
be here.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
I'm glad you could come. Okay, first question, if you
could offer writers one piece of advice, what would it be?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
So, I think this will have to go back to
the first excellent piece of advice I received in college.
And this was the first time I had met a real,
live author and I asked her for advice and it's
still today the best advice I've ever received.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
So Cake claim this that's my own, but I love it.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
And she said live life to the fullest and then
write about it. And I have found that to be
so good. And there's so many things I never would
have thought to do to try out to face some
of my fears, things like in college, you know, my
fears were karaoke and going with my friends and singing
in public, or dancing or public speaking, or I had
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all these things that I had never tried before.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
And the more of.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Life that I experienced, you know, brewing my own kombucha,
experimenting with sourdough, bread making, enrolling in martial arts, all
these things that I probably wouldn't have thought to try,
and all these little life experiences have greatly enriched all
of my storytelling, from sci fi to fantasy everything in between.
So that's the advice I love to give writers, no
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matter where you're at in your process, is have hobbies,
have fun, take risks, try new things, live life to
the fullest, and then go write about it.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
As terrific answer, Thanks so much. All right, let's start
at the beginning. How did you get started writing?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I've been writing since I was sixteen years old. I
grew up in China, my family moved there when I
was four years old, and so I was going to
Chinese public school at part time and then being homeschooled
my English school part time. And I always loved reading
and writing. And when I read the book Aragom and
realize a fifteen year old had written it, that's when
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the light bulb really clicked in my mind and I realized, oh,
you don't have to be an adult to be an author.
You can start writing at any age. And so sixteen
is when I decided I'm going to be an author someday,
and I started writing, and I just fell in love
with it and have been doing it ever since.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Nice, Okay, you're still doing it clearly yep. And you're
married and you've got two children. I think maybe I'm
not a creeper, but I do research for the interviews
and anyways, So how do you find time to write?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Oh? Man, it's different in every season. And so this
is something I always tell writers too, is like experiment
with different patterns, experiment with different ways of planning your
book and finding time to write. You know, when I
was in high school, it was just in the afternoons.
It counted for part of my class.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Part of my.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Homeschooling class was a writing class, so it counted towards that.
In college, it was really you know, I had internships
and I was working, and so it was only during
the holidays that I had time to write. And then
when I was working a corporate job, it was early,
early four thirty in the morning sometimes weekends. But now,
you know, as a mom, me and my husband tag
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team a lot of watching our kids, and so I'll
have one day and he'll take the kids, and then
the next day I'll take the kids and he'll go
and work, and so it's one day on one day off.
But for me, I've found in the mornings is the
most productive time for me, and so that's why I
try and get all my writing done. Don't look at
my phone, don't I literally will keep my phone and
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do not disturb mode till I get my writing done,
all the creative things done that I need. I know
it's hard to get a hold of me. It's everyone's
really annoyed. I'm sorry. I apologize mom and all my friends.
I know I'm impossibly get a hold of. But yeah,
I keep my phone and do not disturb mode until
I've done all the things that require the most creative
energy from me. And then in the afternoon, you know,
if I need a post to social media, if I
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need to write my newsletter, all the business things that
come into being a writer.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
That's why I trying to get those things done.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Yeah, all right, let's talk about your books now. Tell
us about the Hybrid series.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, so this is a young adult near future sci
fi series. It's set one hundred years in the future
where everyone has genetic enhancements sort of like superpowers, so
enhanced intelligence, enhanced physical stuff, the ability to breathe underwater,
and so in this world, society is divided sharply by
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those who have all these amazing genetic enhancements and then
those who are born naturally and are at a huge
disadvantage and are stuck in the gritty outskirts working in
the AI factories. And so the main character, she's born naturally,
doesn't have any enhancements, but is adopted by accident into
the enhanced elite society and has to hide this fact
or it'd be very deadly for her and her family.
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So there's forbidden love, futuristic motorcycle races, AI games. But
this is a series about a girl trying to find
her place where, find her place in a world where
her DNA determines her destiny.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
Sounds like something Alan would love me too, but especially him.
All right, so you are a certified crub MAGA instructor.
Is this correct?
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Yes? Can you tell me about that?
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:26):
So back to me in high school trying to write
my first ever fantasy novel.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Course, there's lots.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Of epic battles and fight scenes, and every time I
would just have this big blank in my story where
it's aid insert epic fight scene or about I.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Just couldn't write it.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
And you know, years later the manuscript was done except
these fight scenes and these training scenes, and I just
could not figure out how to write them. Was having
such bad writer's block. And so finally, when I was
in grad school, I decide, you know what, I'm just
going to roll in a martial arts class. Just go
a couple times. I just need to know how how
do you even throw a punch? Like?
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I just need to know some basics here.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
And so I asked an ex cop, Hey, for a woman,
what's the best martial arts that I should take? Like,
what's the most practical? How can I actually learn how
to defend myself. If I'm going to go to a
couple classes, I might as well learn something. And so
went to a Krapmagod class and loved it so much
I just kept going even after those scenes were written.
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And yeah, I just fell in love with it to
the point where I got my instructor's certification and just
absolutely loved it. So, yeah, it was for the sake
of writing, but I got a little distracted, took a
little detour there.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
That's very interesting that you came to it to help
your writing. You were just talking about how you have
to try new things. Yes, because it happens to me
write about and it brought something to your life that
you love.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Action scenes are the hardest thing to write. Dialogue I
can do that all night, but having action and fighting,
that's tough. I've bet well, I'll come to your session now,
or maybe there will be somebody there recording them all. Jesse,
what do you think? He's all fine?
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Okay, Well, I see that you and your husband are
learning Mandarin, which I've been told is one of the
hardest languages in the world to learn. Is this just another.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Another thing to challenge yourself? Is this for a book?
What brought this about?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
So? I actually already speak Bandarin, having lived in China.
So it's my husband and my boys who are learning it. Okay,
So yeah, I speak to my boys exclusively in Mandarin,
and then he speaks to them in English and so wow, Yeah,
our three and a half year old is already bilingual.
And then my husband is actually learning Mandarin from my boys.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
It's really funny.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
When I have time, I teach him to but most
of it he's learning from our boys. You know. They'll
come up and say something to him and he's like
and heard that word before?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
And I come over to me be.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Like, Jurju have you is jurjuish Chinese word? And I'm like, oh,
Jurju like that spider? Where did they say that? Like, yes,
that's important word.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
So all his.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Mandarin he's learning through our boys. It's really fun.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
That is beautiful, nice, really neat? Do they ever you
ever get confused? So I had I had a nephew
in a similar situation, and when he didn't get the
answer that he wanted, he tried the other language.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Oh we have a lot of Chinglish going on in
this house.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Yes, for sure, so cute, sweet, it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Well, why don't we talk about the writing process? How
do you get started? Are you on is there going
to be book four in this trilogy? Or are you
starting something new? Now?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Yeah, that's the three books. That's the end.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
I'm a trilogy kind of gal. I don't go on four, five,
six books. Gosh, maybe someday, but no, no, I'm a
triller kind of girl.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
So that'll be the end.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
And then right now I'm working on a fantasy trilogy.
But you know, again, for each book, I think my
process has been totally different. For the first fantasy novel
I ever wrote, it took me ten years, and my
process was all over the place. You know, the people
talk about your first book, you.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
May call the mistakes. I definitely did.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
And then after that I discovered Save the Cat writes
a novel, and that was just so helpful for me
to understand plotting and how do you think about pacing
and what are the big beats you're trying to hit?
And so after that I changed my process and now
I typically have a very rough outline that loosely follows
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Save the Cat, and then once I have that, I'll
start worldbuilding more so I thinking about my characters more.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I'll do brainstorming. Usually.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I like to have if I can, six months just
to do kind of in the back of my brain,
maybe while I'm working on edits for something else or
different project, but just at the back of my brain,
having these ideas flowing. And then I like to sit
down and do a really quick one month push to
write a fifty thousand word rough, terrible first draft, and
then I spent a lot of time editing it. But again,
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my process can look different. When I wrote Enhanced, I
actually had moved back to China and was working there,
and so I knew I had always wanted to write
something loosely inspired by Chinese culture, and so while I
was there, I decided, you know what I've been working on,
you know that first novel, the Fantasy series for a
long time, I want to work on something new. I'm
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going to write this Asian inspired novel. And so for
that one, because my relocation assignment was only a year long,
I didn't do the six.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Month long planning plotting.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I just dove right in and wrote it very very quickly.
So again I tell people try different things, different seasons,
different books call for different things, but generally I do like,
especially if it's a heavy world building book, sci fi fantasy,
I do like to give myself time to just at
the back of my brain be thinking about, you know,
the magic elements or sci fi elements, or what is
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this world going to look like, the characters, and then
sit down outline it, and then get that first draft
done really quickly.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Very cool.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
I'm gonna hot back to your bio for a second.
It says you can be bribed with boba tea, fluffy puppies,
and breakfast tacos. Is this true? Did we just fill
all the tea?
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yes, you did. Boba tea. I grew up on that
in China. I love it so much.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I'm so glad that we have it here in America now.
And then breakfast tacos.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
It's so funny.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Because when I moved back from China to the United
States for college, I moved to Oklahoma, and then I
moved to Texas for grad school, and then Austin different
part texts for work, and I didn't know breakfast tacos
were a thing. I thought people were just making fun
of me being from Oklahoma and China. I was like, Eh,
this sounds like I'm you know, this doesn't sound real.
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It sounds like breakfast burritos. I know that that's a
real thing, but I was not convinced breakfast tacos were
a thing for a while.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
But then yeah, discover them and fell in love with them.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
So breakfast tacos, fluffy tuck, fluffy puppies, and Boba t
r some of my favorite things.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Very cool.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
I have to ask, from China to Oklahoma, what brought
you here?
Speaker 3 (24:25):
What was that? Yeah? I mean college.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
But when we came back to the States to visit family,
A lot of my family is based in Oklahoma, so Oklahoma,
out of all the United States, felt the most like home,
even though it still felt very much like.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
A foreign country moving here to college.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
At least people, Yeah, very cool.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Can we talk about Ryder Con for just a minute
because you're coming.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Right, Yes, I'm so excited.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Yeah, we're very glad you could make it. So what
are you going to do? You're teaching some class, right
I am.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I'm teaching a session called Galaxies and Kingdoms and it's
all about world building. So from sci fi to fantasy worlds,
how do you really bring those to life with vibrant
details and I'm so excited. I love talking about world buildings,
so it's gonna be really fun.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Great, thank you again for coming. Hey, what do we
what should we be looking for next? If you know
what's what next, thing is going to have your name
on the cover.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I mean the fantasy ones a long ways off, so,
but but keep your eye out. There will be a
fantasy trilogy coming at some point.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Okay, well there, we need to make it a series.
Then you have to come back on the podcast periodically
to update us on where you are on the project.
Absolutely all right, Candice, thanks so much for being on
the podcast.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Thanks for having me. See you guys soon.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Yeah bye bye. Now, just a few parting words, Laura Jesse,
is there anything I've left out about writer Con and
why all our writer friends need to be there? Like
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Hotel us Haunted.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Hotels Haunted, it has a working hot tub that was mine.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
I was gonna remind Jesse there's a hot You don't
have to remind me.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I know it's in the basement.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
And Laura and I will be there and Jesse will
be there and everyone we've talked to this month, Sydney
and Candice and Abigail and about sixty other writers and
agents and publishers and people in the industry.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
It's just a great time. There's great energy. It's a
great space for creators to be in. As someone who
is not a writer, I enjoy being around different creatives.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
It feels great. Yeah. Thanks, all right, go visit the
website writercon dot com. It's not too late to register.
We would love to see you there. Let me also
remind you that we have a free newsletter and if
you don't want to miss out on the next issue,
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it wherever you get a chance to get your podcasts.
It does make it easier for new listeners to discover us,
and I like that. All right, until next time, keep
writing and remember you cannot fail if you refuse to quit.
(27:37):
See you next time.
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