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June 23, 2015 55 mins

"Mad Max: Fury Road" is one of the most high-paced, heart-stopping action movies in recent history -- and, just like the humans in the film, the vehicles are characters all their own. Tune in to learn more.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Go behind the wheel, under the hood and beyond with
car stuff from house stuff Works dot com. I don't
welcome the car stuff. I'm Scott and I'm Ben and
we're here with Noel the Madman Brown. Mad Man is
a good mad Man. It's the variation very close, but

(00:24):
but acceptable for a nickname for no Yah yeah, yeah
for now. Uh. And it's only we're not calling him
the Madman Brown because of any lingering mental issues or anything. No, no, no,
he's right his reign. It's just we we like to
have a little bit of a fun time with the
nicknames and the title of the show. What are we
talking about today, Scott? Oh, this is pretty exciting. This

(00:46):
is the mad Max. Uh Furry Road? Um, whatnot Furry Road? No,
it's it's Fury Road. Oh my god, I'm gonna have
to redo all of my research for today that I
was doing Man Max Furla. Yeah. And I found some
really weird stuff online while I was looking for this,
and I was thinking this can't be right. Well, you know,
I'm not going to say that that is not also
a film, because I don't know. We're we're a car show.

(01:08):
And yet this was like all about conventions, with people
dressed up like raccoons and bizarre stuff was going on there.
I mean, I read some some really deep stuff. I
could go on off my notes here, or we could
regroup and well, you're you're you're already a car aficionado,
and you know you know this stuff. You know this

(01:29):
stuff pretty well. What if we what if we just
go with Fury Road to this podcast the movie the film? Yeah,
the movie, Well that's completely different, and I guess we
can talk about that today. How about that? Okay, well, good,
let's do that. Then. So today we're gonna talk about
the cars of Mad Max Fury Road and uh, and
I guess we can describe some of the stuff that
happened in previous Mad Max films because it's a whole

(01:52):
franchise at this point. We'll keep it brief on that,
because there's some fantastic cars that are in this Fury
Road movie that is Reese very recent, within the last month,
I'd say, I think, yeah, it kind of depends on
when this podcast comes out, I guess, but yeah, pretty recent. Um,
I'll have to admit right up front, I haven't seen
it yet. I was I was out of town for
a long time. Just after it was released, and I

(02:14):
haven't been able to get to it yet, but I
do plan to. You have seen it, right, and uh
and what do you think? I mean, just a general overall?
How does it stack up well? On a one to ten.
I would give this a fourteen, a solid fourteen. It
is great, man. No spoilers, but the bulk of the

(02:36):
movie is one long car chase through the desert with
these strange, um homemade, cobbled together, Frankenstein monster kind of cars.
And as we're going to find in today's episode, these
are not um. These are not as Hollywood as a

(02:58):
lot of other cars we've talked out of before, where
wherein you know you'll have something like not a batmobile,
but for the sake of arguments something like that, right,
And really all it has inside of it is a
little V six to just keep it moving so it
can drive on an offset and it can actually do stunts.
These things are the real deal, Scott, and I didn't

(03:21):
believe it when I was first watching the film, and
I don't want to ruin it for anybody who hasn't
seen it. But what we're going to talk about today
are going to be the cars of Mad Max, because
they're as much each one is as much a character
as you know Mad Max or the other ones. And
that's kind of always been the case, right with the
going back to the very first one, oh very much so.

(03:42):
And you know what the difference between this film and
the previous films is that this one is is really
like you said, it's just a chase. It's like a
It's like a one long chasing from the very beginning
to the very end, all way across the desert, like
a caravan trying to make its way and other people
trying to disrupt that caravan. We'll get to that one
at the end of this this list here, but I
can give you just like some quick summaries or some

(04:04):
some synopsis, I guess of the Mad Max films if
you'd like just to understand where we're coming from. And
if you haven't seen, um, you know, the entire Mad
Max series, it's I guess it's worthwhile to check into it.
I have seen these, you know, in the past, like
when I was much much younger. I think the last
one I saw, of course, was was Beyond Thunderdome back
in Night five. Now that's a long time ago, you know,

(04:24):
that's well, that's there. Is that thirty years now? Come on, man,
don't say that is that thirty years thirty years ago?
All right? So I was watching some some previews and
trailers things like that from on YouTube currently, like today
or even you know, yesterday of the week before or whatever,
and uh, I gotta say, some of the copies that
I've seen, you know, I don't really stand up because

(04:45):
they're probably VHS copies that were then converted to DVD,
which were then converted to some electronic form that they
could put online. And they don't look quite as as
great as they did as I remember them on the
big screen. But going all the way back to nine,
we started with the Mad Max uh film, I guess
the very first film thought an Australian film. And um,

(05:06):
all right, I guess this is the way IMDb describes it.
Maybe that's the way we'll do it, because we'll keep
it concise. It says, in a self destructing world, evengeful
Australian policeman sets out to stop a violent motorcycle gang. Um.
So really this is about the breakdown of society. I mean,
it's a it's um, it's a murderous vengeance, vengeful um
society that this guy is in. His name is Max,

(05:29):
and uh, he just becomes a cold hearted wealth killer.
I guess, yeah, well he is at this time, he's
one of the last sort of lawmen around because the
story is about society breaking down and the rule of
laws sort of deteriorating. But he is what's called main

(05:50):
force patrol officers, so they're they're kind of like the
last of the police. And of course everything goes horribly
wrong for him. Of course, any kind of he kind
of threw out this one. He loses his humanity, he
becomes less and less human. So on to when they
came out with Mad Max to the Road Warrior and

(06:11):
I'll just read this again. In in the post apocalyptic
Australian waste Land, a cynical drifter agrees to help a
small gasoline rich community escape a band of bandits. Now
that's important the gasoline rich part, because they had the
fuel that the bandits needed in order to make the
machines still run and operate. That became their their valuable
commodity that they had that these bandits were after, and

(06:32):
of course made for good action scenes. You know, they're
trying to steal their most valuable commodity, right, And at
this point in the universe, I guess of Mad Max,
the social situation is further deteriorating, and it's getting to
the point where very few places are capable of creating fuel,

(06:53):
you know, So we see the desperation uncertainty that was
already there in the first Mad Max Joe get worse.
Things keep getting worse, right, Yeah, So it's this band
of settlers, I guess, is the way you can describe
as it was. And and later in this film, towards
the end, Max is kind of shown to like rediscovers
humanity a bit. He's maybe not as as hardened as
he was in the in the past, you know, like

(07:15):
in the in the other films, And I guess in
the very beginning of Man Max Part two, they also
give you a little backstory about what happened in part one,
which is nice alright. So then just four years later
they came out with Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome and this
is a where a former Australian policemant okay, that's Max again.
He is rescued by a tribe of children when he's
banished from the desert town and sent into the desert

(07:37):
to die by the deserts evil. That's a lot of
desert by the deserts town of the desert town's evil queen.
Uh so this evil queen and what was her name again?
Fears that Furiosa? Is that her name? Or am I
thinking of the current one? Maybe that's the current one
anti entity? Ah, that's it at anti anti anthony. Okay,

(07:57):
this is this is interesting. So it's it's like it's
an evil town. Um that was ruled by Tina Turner.
That's that's strange. I mean to think about it now
when you look back at you know, he played by Tears. Yeah, weird,
all right? And Max is now gladiator in the Thundergo.
This is so straight in the thunder So he's gladiator

(08:17):
in the Thunderdome. And then yeah, exactly right, yeah the
chance and then and then he is uh, he's banished
from this from this. Um. I guess what do they
call it? The citadel? Isn't right? Um? Where he was
later recovered by these desert orphans and um, I don't
know what more could you ask for in a film? Right? Right?
But not nothing? Literally nothing, especially because those orphans are

(08:41):
part of a cargo cult that worships a Boeing seven
forty seven that crash strange. Yeah, yeah, it's a it's
great And this now Thunderdome Beyond Thunderdome is one of
the more divisive movies. A lot of people who enjoyed
the first two Mad Max films did not care for
this one, and a lot of people who like this

(09:04):
one didn't care for the other two. But that's that's
the way the universe laid out. And now in Mad
Max Beyond Thunderdome, we're starting to see the longer lasting
effects of this social breakdown. But then we didn't see
anything for what years, It's a thirty year break in

(09:25):
the franchise. So so coming back, they come back really strong,
I guess, with the story. And I'll tell you how strong,
because this this film is getting good reviews already. Um,
the Rotten you know, the Rotten Tomato site, that's where
a lot of us go to get, you know, our information,
because so many reviewers compile their information there that it
that it ends up being pretty accurate as far as
the way most people feel. And they do professional reviewers

(09:45):
and they do, you know, like critics, and they do
audience reviews and for the audience reviews like this film,
which is very very high for that site. Usually it's
usually it's much much lower. Yeah, definitely, And this is
out of oh by the way without a two hundred
and seventy reviews total, and the critics gave it a
you know, they have like a Rotten Tomatoes fresh rating

(10:06):
on the on the site. Yeah, it does very very well.
So it's it's getting great reviews. And like you said,
you enjoyed the film a lot. Oh yeah, absolutely. I
would love to go see it again right now. If
it were not our job to do this show right now,
I would try my best to talk you into hopping
in the car with me and going to watch this show.

(10:28):
I would love to do that. We should do. That's
what we have to do this show. So we're gonna
do that. And you know what, it's a fun one
to talk about though, And I I desperately want to
see this film because it looks like, you know, everything
that you want to see in a an action adventure
movie all packed into just two hours, where it's just
it's just constant all the way from start to finish.
All of the trailers are just NonStop adrenaline rush, you

(10:49):
know that kind of thing. So um and sounding I'm
selling it, don't I sound like I'm trying to sell
the film. I'm not in any way, But man, these
cars are so cool, these all these vehicles. Um. So
here's the descript in a mad Max Fury Road again
from I MDB. Just a quick synopsis says, in a
stark desert landscape where humanity is broken, two rebels just
might be able to restore order, Max a man of

(11:11):
action a few words, and Furiosa, a woman of action
who is looking to make it back to her childhood homeland. Okay,
so what's going on here? Is the the Apocalypse survivors
or some of them anyways, are enslaved in the citadel
and Furiosa, who is a warrior. That's that's played by
Charlie's Theoon I believe. Um, she leads uh, some of

(11:31):
the tyrant little the tyrant ruler there has five wives
and she leads her more than five, I think, but
she takes five of them, uh to hopefully taking them
to escape, you know, to to a secure place along
with Max. She she's a friend of Max. They've they've
formed kind of an alliance. They're not initially friends. No, no, no,
not initially, but for you know, using this mission. I

(11:55):
guess she uses this crazy big rig truck like a
a great truck. I don't think even think that's a
great way to describe it. We'll get to that vehicle,
but it's called the war Rig and the war Org.
They try to outrun uh, you know the uh, I
guess the Warlord and and all of his henchmen across
the desert, the guys named immor tan Joe. He's a
cult leader. He has these people called the war Boys

(12:19):
who all look like you remember that movie Powder. Yes,
they all look like the main guy in Powder, you know,
very pale, perilous, and they you know, they worship him.
It's part of a cult. And then because Furious is
taking these brides I don't know if you can still
call them brides if it's non consensual, but because she's

(12:39):
taken them across the desert to wherever this place is,
then uh, they start to follow her to try to
grab her. At this point, I should go ahead and say,
ladies and gentlemen, if you have not seen this movie
yet and you do not like spoilers anything after this
point is going to count as a spoiler because we're
going to be talking about the most amazing thing in

(13:02):
this film. In this movie, the cars, right, yes, so
many cars. I mean, I've read several articles here, you know,
from the guy who created them about the cars themselves.
You know, the previous vehicles that were used in you know,
the Mad Max series all the way from five. But
this guy that created this latest round of vehicles, his
name is Colin Gibson, and Colin Gibson was the designer,

(13:26):
the guy that said and I don't know if he's
working all alone. I'm sure that there are other people
collaborating with him, but he's the guy, like the front man,
he's the head. Yeah, he's the head guy, the one
those you know, if the cars didn't show up, it
was his responsibility. So we'll give him the credit, I
guess in this case. And he did an interview with
Gelopnik that I read, and um, he's talked elsewhere. I've
seen him in other interviews and other other news sources
in Bloomberg and stuff. Yeah, exactly. And I know that

(13:47):
Car and Driver mentions him a few times here. But
we're gonna go through uh, you know, ten cars. That
car and driver singled out. Also, we'll talk a little
bit about this interview because it's pretty interesting. I mean,
it's funny. I mean he's pretty bold about what he
says here to his his crew, and it's it's kind
of I'm sure it's tongue in cheek because the way
he said that. I I told um Or the director,
what what George Miller? The director told Colin Gibson, and

(14:10):
he said, make it cool or I'll kill you. Now
that's a strong statement from a director to a guy
that's just creating the vehicles for that not just but
creating the vehicles for a show like this. Well, we
don't know how intense George Miller maybe he was. He
is a doctor though before he became a full time filmmaker.
He's not gonna he's not gonna kill him. I mean
he's just saying, like, you know what, I want this

(14:30):
to be over the top. I wanted to be look
at the previous Mad Max movies and the vehicles they used,
and that was always the stand up. They were. They
were incredible vehicles and exactly what you would expect, a
kind of not forbidden society, but a leftover society, right,
that is just living on the scraps of what's left
of humanity to put together in order to function in

(14:51):
the desert, especially especially since we see how from the
very first Mad Max things have increasingly deteriorated. Yeah, and
you another point is that, because you know, we're getting
farther and farther away from where this apocalypse supposedly happened,
things are becoming more and more scarce. Yes, and so
it's interesting to see that this is the most outrageous

(15:12):
group of vehicles of the bunch. Now, that makes sense
in that, you know the chronology. Of course, we're not
gonna go back and make them worse looking, I guess
in the nineteen cars, right. However, I find that the
fleet of vehicles that I'm looking at here are incredibly impressive, Yes,
incredibly impressive. They look like something that would be um, oh,
who's who's the Harley Earl? They look like hard if

(15:36):
Harley Earl had a nightmare because he had been up
too late eating weird food, designing cars, maybe, like if
he was collaborating with Rob Zombie. Yeah, yes, it's it's
it's uh, it's not quite rat Rod, It's it's more
than that it's it's it's beyond that. But yeah, yeah,
it's but it has rat Rod influences for sure. So

(15:57):
Gibson Colin Gibson. Over all, the number that I heard
a lot, which might might not be totally correct, is
that he ended up with eighty eight final cars that
we're in production. But he actually made a hundred and fifty. Yes, yes,
that made a hundred and fifty. And knowing that for
some cars you're gonna have because of what was required

(16:18):
of them in the script, Uh, you're gonna have to
build three of them. You're gonna have to build you know,
maybe two of this one or one for the close ups,
one for the stunts, etcetera. Yeah, one one just maybe
as a parts car. Maybe one that's going to they
know is going to be completely destroyed. You know, there's
no chance for this one. So so um at the end,
I don't know if they destroyed all one hundred and
fifty or if they destroyed half of them. I've seen

(16:39):
numbers that kind of are all over the place with this,
but I know they destroyed a bunch of these cars,
and you know you can see that in the film.
And that's one quick thing that We've probably should point
out is that the stunts were done without c G. I. Yes,
the stunts are what are called practical effects. The vast
majority of the stuff that happens here, counting the stuff

(16:59):
with p Peo bowl, will be a practical effect, and
that means that it is it is filmed artfully or whatever,
but it's actually happening. You know, they did add stuff afterwards.
They did add the background. Now, I've seen some clips
where it shows you the scene before and after, so
they show you the stunt actually happening, and you can see,
you know, the camera crew right in full view, you know,

(17:20):
because it's shot from behind the scenes, I guess. And
the background is it's desert background, but it's not quite
um what you see in the film. The cars, the action,
the people flying, all that stuff. That is that is
real life. That's really happening. But you know, they may
they may have laid out a cone or something like
that to indicate where the charge was that was gonna
overturn the car. But in the in the film version,

(17:43):
of course, they're going to paint that out, and they're
also going to change the background to match where they
would be in the film, Like if they were in
you know, a um, I guess a narrow cavern pass
or something. I don't know what am I think a
ravine of some kind, dried up lake bed or whatever
it happens to be. Um, you know, the back brown
stuff was added. But the but the stunts with this
is and this is important because man, there's some crazy

(18:05):
stunts in this just from what I was looking at
in the trailers. Um. You know, I haven't had the
opportunity to see the whole film yet, but the stuff
that I've just seen in the trailers is just insane. Well,
it's it's fascinating to when you see those clips of
the pre c g I stunts, because they're still very impressive. Now,
Gibson did say that they used c g I or

(18:29):
digital replicas of some of the vehicles for the wide
shots or to serve his backups in case cars were
damaged or destroyed, but he said it's more. He has
this great quote I think at Hollywood Reporter where he said,
it's more excited when you actually achieve the impossible rather
than photo shopping it, with which we completely agree. Scott,

(18:51):
do you want to walk through these ten cars? Yeah,
let's do that and this is again, this is just
ten of the multitude of cars that are out there.
So this is the the ones that car and driver picked.
And uh, it's fascinating to go through this. And I
don't know if I have a number one favorite yet
or not. Maybe as we talked this through, I'll choose one.
I kind of got one that maybe thinking is my favorite,

(19:12):
but I would like to see the film before I
make a decision. Do you have a favorite? Wise man? Um?
I do, but I'm not gonna mention it on air
until we get to the end. Alright, cool, Well, want
one quick hint? Is it in this list or is
it not in this list? I'm sure it's in this list? Okay, alright, great,
So let's let's start with one thing called Plymouth Rock. Ah, yes,

(19:34):
Plymouth Rock. Okay, so this from what originally people are guessing,
but we've confirmed this is from the The DNA of
it is seven Plymouth Sedan. Now you know what guess
looking at it? I would have guessed initially if I
had seen it from a distance, Volkswagon beel just because
because the shape it takes, Because this is the car

(19:56):
that is covered with with iron spikes, right, absolutely covered.
I mean, there's not an inch that you could you
couldn't stand on this car without stepping on a spike.
It's incredible. It looks like they're two to three ft long, right,
and these are these this is the car of a
raider that is you know, that's meant to You can
tell if you look at especially the front end and

(20:17):
the wheels, that this is made to collide with their
different things, maybe bust some tires or hit some gas
tanks that are side mountains, and nobody is going to
be jumping on top of this car. And as happens
often in this franchise, because that's the other thing, is
that a lot of times you'll see in these chase
scenes that these guys are on poles and you know what,
am I giving anything away right now? Am I saying this?

(20:37):
Oh no, that's in the trailer? All right? Well? There,
I think there's a vehicle coming up that actually has
some of things. But there's some some high strength, are
high tensile steel poles that some of these characters are
are using to bend back and forth and and uh
kind of launch themselves onto other vehicles. And this is
one that you're not gonna land and they really did that.
It's crazy. So the the next one on this which

(21:01):
is which is great, but one of the less realistic
ones to me, and I'll say why in a minute,
is the big Foot. Okay, now, this is uh okay,
this is when you probably have to have in the fleet.
I mean, just because it's different, it makes it stand out. Right,
it's a it's a monster truck that is put underneath
a n Or nineteen forty fargo pickup truck of all

(21:22):
things and fargo. You know, I guess if you if
you want to think about it, this way was what
a lot of Dodge trucks were called when they were
sold solding countries like Canada or Turkey and even of
course Australia. All right, here's why I agree that stands
out in the fleet. But Scott, here's why I think
this is one of the more unrealistic vehicles. All these

(21:43):
vehicles are works of art, and Miller made a Miller
made a very big deal when he was speaking with
anybody in production or the actors or the drivers. Everything
on these vehicles and on the in the costumes of
the actors has to have a reason to be there.

(22:03):
So Apparently he would walk up to the actors and
say like, well, what's that? Why you have that? What
does that do? Really? Put them to the test something
like that. And this the same goes for the vehicle.
So I get I get this, But here's what's unrealistic
to me about it, Scott. This thing has sixty six
inch tall tires, right, Goodyear tires, four feet suspension, but

(22:27):
but four ft of suspension travel. So this is gonna
be a truck that's jumping like a monster truck would
be jumping right exactly, except those tires. How could you
keep those tires in that condition? They're huge vulnerability. Now, Okay,
this is okay, vulnerability for the vehicle. I understand that,
because everything that's half sure. But I've also seen arguments
and this is maybe getting just a little bit too realistic,

(22:49):
because otherwise this whole thing wouldn't happen. Some people say that,
you know, if they are scavenging the waste land for
parts and pieces to put these things together, how is
it that they have tires at all? Wouldn't they be
riding on big solid chunks of rubber. Wouldn't they be
using rims to get around? Wouldn't you know, wouldn't it
be um, you know, you know the case that all

(23:09):
rubber things, you know, even engine components now completely deteriorated
as as it really would be. But then again, you
gotta you gotta suspend just that little bit of belief
in order to allow these things to to behave the
way that they do. I mean, otherwise you're not gonna
have a film like this if you have if you
don't have pneumatic tires, right, and maybe enough time hasn't
passed to render all those tires. Maybe I don't know.

(23:32):
I mean it seems like tryer. I mean, jeez, my
tires dry rock quickly in the garage, you know, I
mean and out in the the Australian wasteland, you know,
this apocalyptic wasteland. You would think they would deteriorate and
you know, a matter of weeks, yes, you would think.
But you know, again again this is just one little
bit that you know, people pick at and say, and
not necessarily that they wouldn't necessarily happen that way. It

(23:54):
just it just wouldn't. But again again, look at all
this stuff. This is so crazy. I mean, we're a
lot of these cars are powered by supercharged v eights
and um, you know, they don't have any problem, you know,
getting pieces and parts to keep those running. Um, whereas
you know, like you and I, we have the Internet,
we can't we can't keep our cars running sometimes because
we can't find the right parts or you know. Okay,

(24:15):
maybe that's a little bit of an overstatement, but I'm
saying it's difficult enough to find the pieces and parts
to keep your own car on the on the on
the road today, Yeah, sort of, I mean to an extent,
But how are they doing it in this Australian waste land.
I know I'm overstating this and maybe I'm over complicating it. No, No,
I think that's a really good point because we've seen

(24:35):
in the real world. We've seen instances where people are
forced by something or another, maybe the age of the
vehicle or something even bigger, like when Cuba was under
such international sanctioning. Uh, they they ended up having the
mechanics in Cuba, I mean, ended up creating some of
their own parts. Great example, look at that. Look at

(24:56):
Communist Russia. Yeah, some of the cars that they were
building some their own and you know, rings for pistons
and stuff. I mean, it's some of the incredible lengths
that they have to go to to keep these things running.
So maybe it's not that far fetched that they're able
to do this. Maybe there are some machinists left in
the the apocalypse and the apocalypse uh scarred world, right, Well,
I don't know, I mean apocalypse that's pretty strong, but

(25:18):
more than scarred. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good way.
There's still being wasteland. Maybe there's enough machinists left that
they're able to keep these things running. And I think
that's what they're they're counting on, is that belief? Well
it has to be. There have to be uh, several
very very intelligent people because they're fabricating these machines. Like
if we move on to the next one. No, Australian listeners,

(25:38):
if you don't know about this one, you're going to
enjoy it. And US listeners, if you haven't heard of this,
don't don't beat yourself up because this is relatively obscure. Yeah,
this is a This is called Buggy number nine, and
Buggy number nine is is basically a corvette, but it's
not really a corvette. It's an Australian kit car that

(25:58):
looks like a corvette that was placed on top of
a truck chassis, right, Yes, holding one ton truck chassis.
And so because the truck chassis was twenty two inches longer, Um,
the real corvette wouldn't work out, so they used this. Um,
I guess they use this kit car and lengthened that
it's got a I think it's a forward engine that's
sticking out of the hood with the exhaust pipes coming

(26:20):
straight out from underneath the hood. Um, there's a gun
on the top. There's you know, a crazy windshield that's
two piece design. Um. It's just a really strange looking vehicle.
Looks like an off road corvette. Right. And there's a
great phrase here that the Car and Driver article uses,
which is, uh, Buggy number nine was created as sort
of a Last Days of Disco era vet running through

(26:41):
misery while chewing on a fistful of meth. And that
is apt. By the way, as you mentioned that this one,
as well as Big Foot, both have mounted harpoon guns.
That's a harpoon gun. That's what. Yeah, those are. Those
are meant Uh. Usually when you see them in the film,
the way that they attack is they shoot out and
they have a chain attack Matched or something like that.
Oh man, I've got to see this film. I really

(27:04):
do think I'm gonna love this film. Alright, So the
next one is called Mac, and Mac is just loaded.
I mean when you laughing, it's it's load of the stuff.
There's there must be something hilarious, but just look at it. Well,
I guess so, yeah, it's it's all Mac truck as
you can imagine, right, I mean, that's the that's the
basis of this um. And of course, well yeah, and
of course it's a it's a big R series Mac

(27:25):
R series truck. UM. It's a uh, I guess it's
in a lot of the action in this film, and
it's it's front and center because this one has an
awful lot of gear. It has a lot of capacity
to carry people, which is important in this um. It
has all the battering rams you know that it would
necessarily need, and mounted harpoons. I see the harpoons on
the front there, I can. I can clearly see those.
It also is one of the vehicles that has these

(27:47):
poles that I was talking about. Now. The poles are
these high tensile strength steel poles that that that people
and these are real stunt men that actually did this
in the film. They climbed to the top of those things,
like you know, someone climbing to the top of the
crow's nest in a pirate ship or something. Only the
polls are are bendable. They allow them to um, to sling,
shot back and forth like distributing their weight. They swing

(28:07):
back and forth, terribly scary when you're going seventy miles
an hour through the desert. So they could swing down
a top a car instance, another vehicle or a person. Yeah,
however they would not be able to swing down at top.
What was that first one? Yeah, which I love. You
start to see the story or the ecosystem in which
these vehicles exist. When when you see like the way

(28:28):
that they've adapted to one another, almost the way the
animals would in the wild. I think that's a fascinating aspect.
And we're actually we're going to go to one that
I think it's very interesting given our conversation about tires.
But before we do, it's time for a word from
our sponsor and we're back. So Scott, this one I'm

(28:51):
excited about. And I I feel for you not having
seen the film yet, but man, we gotta make a
day of it. We gotta go because we talked earlier
about the problem of pneumatic tires in the desert in
a in a post a post industrial waste land, and
this solves that problem. Uh. This is one a vehicle

(29:13):
called the Peacemaker and this is so this is really
a cool and you know what, this is one of
the cooler looking cars to me. And I've got another
little side note on this vehicle if you don't mind
it that we can talk about something else that I
saw online. All right, So this is a kind of
a mixed match of Australian muscle and uh. Um, I

(29:34):
don't know modern military equipment. I don't know how to
how to put it better than that, but this is
the one in nineteen seventy eight Chrysler Valiant charger UM,
which is sort of like the the Ford XP Falcon
over in Australia. And um, of course that's a prominent
vehicle in mad Max history, right, I mean the sp
Falcon that was his original original vehicle. Um. But this

(29:57):
is weird. This one is called the Peacemaker again, and
it's sort of a it's it's like a charger that
stretched over top of a U S Military made or well,
actually the US made rip Saw light tank chassis. So
it's a tank. It's a tank. It's a it's a
They took the top off of the tank and put

(30:18):
a car atop it. Yeah, and and not only that,
it's a it's a rip Saw light tank chassis. Now
do you know anything about the rip Saw light tank chassis?
Tell me a little bit. Well. I watched an online video,
a YouTube video that was in another article. It was
in the actually it was in the Gelopmic article. And
this is where I think listeners should go and check
this out because it does have a clip of the

(30:38):
the rip Saw light tank chassis inaction without the body work.
And this is this is more than impressive. I'll tell
you this. The short clip it's maybe two or three
minutes long and again doesn't have the body work on
it yet, but it's just the the tank chassis before
it was shipped out to Where was it filmed? Africa?
I think it was filmed in Australia and Namibia. Okay,

(30:58):
so both. I think this particular their vehicle went to Africa,
if not not mistaken. But what you'll see is, you know,
a stunt driver, I guess if or just a driver
factory driver with a helmet on in this chaste of
this tank chassis just blasting around this. This looks like
a um gravel yard and gravel yeah, yeah, like maybe
a gravel pitch or something where they have piles of gravel,

(31:21):
very high speed and an incredible sounding V eight engine
that's mounted immediately behind the driver. So it sounds like
the most amazing muscle car you've ever heard. Really, it's
really cool, you know that, that just fantastic American V
eight sound. But then you see this tank, and this
tank is just blisteringly quick. I mean it's it's fast,
and he's jumping, he's he's you know, doing the full

(31:42):
rotations um high speed runs down the you know, down
this this trail that goes to maybe supposedly a quarry
or something like that. It's really incredible. So if you
go to the Gelopnik site and you search, here's the
title of the article. It's kind of long, but it's
it's called how the man behind the machines of mad
Max put a health gape on wheels. That's the name
of it. And I think if you just search mad

(32:03):
Max you'll find that article and then look at that
clip within there. I don't know again, I don't know
what it's called, but it's well worth three minutes of
your time to look at that. And that's the that's
the same article where where where Collins says he learns
the name of the outfit is gelop Nick and says,
I would have named the car that talked to you guys.

(32:24):
How cool would that be to have a car name
after the company? Well, there might be some sequels coming up,
Scott and uh And peacemaker is his own or is
operated I guess in the film by someone a character
called the bullet Farmer. Yes, the bullet Farmer, that's there.
There are a couple of antagonists, right, and they all
work together. And Morton Joe is the guy who owns

(32:46):
the citadel that has access to water, and people follow
him with this cult that he has a cult. The
bullet Farmer is a guy who has a bunch of
ammunition and I guess I imagine that he makes this
somehow and he's got his crew. And then a guy
called the people Eater. The people eater, that's his name,

(33:09):
is by far the most disgusting character to me in
the show, which is saying a lot if you've seen it, guys,
And he is in charge of uh gas, so they
make gas and bullets and then they have water cool
now and Morton Joe. There's a there's a slight tie.
And I guess with the original Mad Max, right, you

(33:29):
said that that is the same actor that played toe
Cutter and the first Mad Max film, is that right? Yeah,
to Cutter one of the primary antagonists in that In
that earlier film. The same actor came back to play
a moreton Joe, the primary antagonist of this film. As
far as I know, in the universe of Mad Max,
they're not supposed to be the same person. They're not

(33:50):
supposed to be related, of course, not because to Cutter
met a violent end. Yes, yes, but but yes, but
it's still kind of a shared universe needs high end.
Our next thing up here is the f d K.
Now what is fd K stand for? Ben Uh? You
know it's open to interpretation. It's likely something dirty that

(34:13):
we can't say on on car stonfle but you know
that you can leave that up to your own imagination.
But this has this is basically a Volkswagen Beetle and
kind of the shell of one, I guess, but it
doesn't look a whole lot like it in the end here.
Um well maybe, but it's v a powered which of
course is incredibly cool. Of course, the whole thing is
just kind of tack well it together. It throws flames

(34:36):
from the fuel that's incorporated these barrels that are integrated
on the structure. The whole thing kind of looks like
a big It almost looks like a big engine to me. Yeah,
the engine. They chopped the front half of the of
the bug's body and then they put in some m
molded like two two uh molded rods pretty much the

(34:59):
little skull Dlow and Morten Joe's emblem, and and that's it.
The rest of it is open, and this empty space
is occupied by this gigantic engine. Now I think that
those Yeah, it's a huge engine in the front, and
you know, of course there's some extra stuff at it
on their flames and things like that, and these pipes
that you talk about of course for a structure. However,
when I see those barrels that kind of jut out

(35:20):
from the side of the vehicle. Overall, this vehicle, when
you look at it at certain in certain directions to me.
The entire vehicle looks like one big engine, and I
think I'm being fooled by that. It almost looks like
a motorcycle engine or something where the cylinder is really good.
That look like cylinder, like the cylinders that protrude from
the sides. It's almost like it's like a big V
eight engine. But it's a Volkswagon Beetle that's buried underneath there.

(35:40):
And again a lot of these cars, they have crazy
exhaust and I think you have to climbing through the
roof or through the windows to get into them. You can't.
You can't use the doors as you normally. They can
not exactly bent least and a twin wheel rear axle there.
So it's a duly designed Volkswagen Beetle with a V eight.
Maybe it looks like even maybe a supercharger on top
of that thing, now that I'm looking at it. You
see it there, and you see other vehicles that are

(36:02):
supercharged superchargers, which are incredible, I mean, neat design. I
I love all of this stuff. It would be so
much fun to just ride around in one of these,
because these are one of a kind, somewhere between masterpieces
of monsters, you know, may be both true hot rods. Yes,
I mean they really are. They really work. If if

(36:22):
you see a you know, a vehicle that's powered by
two V eights. It's got two V eights, it's amazing.
So here's the here's the war rig that we talked,
the monster of monsters, the moby dick of the waste labs. Yeah,
and you know there's a I'm going to kind of
cross reference this with a couple of different articles here
because I saw it described in different ways. I think
one has a little bit more information. Maybe the the

(36:42):
geloptic article has a bit more information on this one. Now,
the war rig is a a huge six wheel drive
Tatra semipowered by two supercharged V eights. Right, that's amazing. Um,
that is not only a tanker, but it also has
other vehicles welded to it, Isn't that right? There's a
suburban on the back I think, is that right? Yeah,

(37:03):
it has has a Volkswagen Beetle welded to the whole
um and it has and that's that's a place where
people hang out to kind of keep a lookout on
the back end of the war rag. And you said
the he said what else was I Well, I think
I was wrong. I think I said suburban. But it's
the Chevy Fleetmaster that's welded to the back of the cat.

(37:23):
So I don't know where I got suburban from. Maybe
that's somewhere else in this film. But but this vehicle
is is huge. It has so many extra things they
added on. It's so big that when they weld the
beetle chassis onto the body rather under the back, um,
that's just kind of looks like a cherry on top
of the of the overall Sunday here. That is this
war rag. It's it's enormous. It's huge, and it's covered

(37:44):
with battering rams. Looks like you know, the old cow
pushers on the front of the old locomotives. Has that.
I mean, it's just the meanest looking semi you've ever seen.
It almost looks like it as uh snow tires, and
of course those tires are guarded by spikes, you know,
some kind something to sign to just tear up whatever
comes back. Set your fuel pod attached to the bat
kind of like a small trailer to haul uh. This

(38:08):
this beast itself, and I do use the word beast
is so unique as to almost be its own living
thing as skulls of course, real human skulls in the
front for their raids or their runs to gas town
and stuff, as a full complement of weaponry. This is
clearly when I when I saw this, it reminded me

(38:29):
a lot of the way that naval forces will have
a carrier group, you know, because you never see an
aircraft carrier by itself. It's surrounded by smaller, more flexible
or specialized vehicles, more nimble vehicles, nimble, nimble, and that
they can make faster turns, they can get back to uh,

(38:50):
you know, kind of cover their flanks faster than than
the aircraft carry itself could. Uh. The same way the
war word can't make make quick turns, can't really defend
itself quite as well without the surrounding group of armada
of vehicles. I guess interesting. I mean, it's it's fascinating
the scenes. There's a couple of scenes in the trailers
that I've seen that they're exactly that. Ben. It looks
like they're the protective layer around this thing as it

(39:12):
just continues to just steam across the desert. Yeah, because
despite the fact that it's powerful, it's more of a
transportation vehicle than he's an offensive one. But speaking of
the kind of nimble vehicles that would orbit around this thing,
let's move on to the nuts car. And this one
has a little bit of controversy behind it, right, because

(39:33):
you'll hear people describe it as one of two things.
You'll hear it described as a thirty two Ford five
window deuce or you'll hear it described as a thirty
three or thirty four five windows Chevy coupe. So we
we want to bust the myth here. As far as
we can tell, it's a Chevy. Yeah, I think so.

(39:55):
And you know, Colin Gibson in the Gelatinic article says
that you know. In one of these quotes, are says um,
out of his favorite vehicles, out of all of his
favorite vehicles, he thinks this is his favorite. And he
says that it's a he says clearly here he says
it's the five window deuce coope with hand beaten metal
and a supercharged V eight with nitrius. It's the most
comfortable of all the cars. Well, I guess so. Like

(40:16):
you said, it has glass, right, that's glass, which is
unusual for all these vehicles most of them don't. Um,
it's it's relatively clean look. And I mean the exhaust
pipes are mounted past the door, so you can't get
in through the doors. You have to go through the
roof on this right. But it's got those poles all
over it. I mean it's loaded with those things. Um,
but those aren't necessarily the ones that they used to
swing back and forth with. I think that's just more

(40:37):
decoration than anything. Right. It alsoks like spears. Yeah, they
look like spears. And there's a cross mounted at the
front of the vehicle which is used to tie characters
up to And I don't know if we should even
say that or not, but maybe we warned about spoilers,
right that there's a there's a point where one of
the characters in this film is tied to the front
though almost like it's you know, crucifixion almost like on
the right on the front. And there's a reason for that,

(40:58):
but we won't go into. Yeah, so there's a little
platform on the front, almost like a little swim platform
like it would be off the off the back of
a boat or something. But um, again, an off road
UM five window deuce coope which is really clean design. Again,
a supercharged nitrous powered or nitrous injected V eight engine.
What a vehicle. I mean, it can go a reverse.

(41:19):
It's super fast speed really so that's like it's superpower
is the reverse bit at high speed gear? Alright? Cool?
So that's a that's an interesting car. And again that's
you know the guy, one of the guys that worked
on this, Colin uh, what's his name, Colin Gibson, the designer.
That's one of his favorite vehicles that the whole bunch.
This next one is crazy. This is one of although

(41:40):
it's not the largest vehicle, it's one of the most
outray to me, like the strangest. Yeah, and it was
described as a as a throne. I guess of sorts, right,
it makes sense. That's what we're talking about. Is the
Gigo Horse. Yeah, the Giggo Horse. Now, this is totally
bizarre and it's just one of the vehicles that I
remember it seems like a year ago when we saw
a kind of a sneak pee what was going on

(42:01):
behind the scenes, you know, like the behind the scenes
photos of the vehicles arriving on the set. This was
one of them, and people were just blown away. When
they saw it. It is a I don't know, I
don't know maybe where we even begin with this, but
I guess the best way I could begin, if I'm
being candid, I thought about this a lot, Scott. I
feel like I must be on drugs when I'm looking

(42:22):
at pictures of this thing. You know, I felt the
same way. It's almost like your eyes are deceiving you.
And then it's like double vision. It's it's two nine
Cadillac coup Deville bodies that are laid on top of
one another. It's almost as if the you know, the
the back end of one is coming out of the Uh, well,
I guess the the other back end of one is
coming out of the back end of another one. Right, Yeah,

(42:43):
Like if you could picture the fifty nine coupe deville
a little right in front of where the back tires
would ordinarily be cut, cut that coupe deville, just cut
that part off, take the tires off, and then take
a second coup deville, break the rear way shield and
put that first one where the windshield was. And then
not only that, you put it on top of a

(43:04):
chassis that looks like a monster truck chassis. But it's
even different than that because it's almost like um almost
like you know, like like a combine would be used
on a on a on a farm. It's like it's
got a duly reaxxle that uses enormous tires like that.
They're they're tall and thin. There's two of them in
the back, and then there's smaller ones in the front.
So it gives it this extremely raked appearance. I'm like

(43:26):
maybe a thirty thirty degree break maybe something like that.
It's it's almost forty five degrees. It's it's pretty intense.
The front end of a caddy again, it's it's doubled up,
but then it has uh you know, those big scoops
in the front, almost like the cow pusher type thing again,
but a little more aggressive than that. It's just more
like um, like fins almost. And then the engines. Okay,
so the engines are are this is crazy to turbocharged

(43:50):
VAT engines that are mounted alongside each other and they
go through one single drive shaft to the back end
to the rear end. So it truly is these side
mounted VAT engines. And I want to say I can't
quite see in this picture here, but I feel like
they're they're supercharge. Yeah, they have two functioning eight seven
one superchargers eight seven one superchargers. Uh. There, as you said,

(44:11):
both can connected through that custom gearbox and the the
main mechanic of the film was a guy named Mark
McKinley who was certainly earning his keep on that because
he had to spend a lot of time, a lot
of TLC with this baby. This thing is not only
fully functional, but it generates twelve hundred horsepower. Twelve hundred horsepower,

(44:34):
and that is because it has you know, these two
these two engines, these are both six hundred cubic ech engines.
They're supercharge. That are that are on this thing. And
they've got um I think it says, and this is
how they put it. One drew of garden hose irrigation
that means of fuel line. Really right, that's incredible. I mean,
just to keep this thing going. Can you imagine having

(44:55):
to keep this thing running in the I don't know
if it's in Australia or if it was in Africa,
imagine keeping this thing running in the desert. I am
having a tough time with it. Well. That one other
thing about this is thematically interesting? Is that Miller? Oh No,
it was Colin Gibson who said that. When he was
envisioning this car, uh, he was, he was thinking about

(45:17):
the character and how can we communicate just like in
Fast and Furious seven and Furious seven when the designer
was thinking, how can we communicate the character through the vehicle?
Right right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, when Dennis was talking about that.
So this guy, Colin Gibson said that what is more
like and Moreton Joe? You know, I'll just read the quote.

(45:40):
He says, in a world where nobody had one of anything,
it seemed like a faith accompany that I Moreton Joe
would have a pair of nineteen fifty nine Coope Deville's.
And I thought, yeah, because that does seem like such um,
such profoundly offensive decadence, right, and and you haven't seen
the movie. It just I don't think it's a spoiler

(46:01):
before he's got everything is terrible? Yeah, sure it is,
and and everything is really really terrible. And and that's
a great way to put it. I know I've read
that quote before because I think we we we hinted
it that earlier on that that's exactly the way to
put it. That in this apocalyptic world there would be
it would be difficult to find one of anything. But
this guy's got two fifty nine caddies and he uses

(46:22):
them in one vehicle and the water and again this
guy has got like, you know, it's almost like this
vehicle is a as he described as as Colin described it,
it's like a throne. Yeah, yeah, exactly, it really is.
I mean it's it's like the the rolling version of
his throne. So what a fantastic vehicle that is? Now Now,

(46:43):
I guess no Mad Max movie would be complete without
the Interceptor. Ah. Yes, our final vehicle of this episode
the Interceptor. So this is a nineteen seventy four Ford
XP Falcon. We had mentioned that earlier in the podcast,
I think, and it has has been a it has
been as important to the films as Mad Max himself. Yeah,

(47:05):
definitely right, And uh, you know this thing is I
guess it's really really beat up by this point. I mean,
so it's looking pretty rough, you know, I know it's
looking rough early on, but now it's even more so
because its supposedly it's aged um and it's aged poorly
um as it would have I guess in that type
of environment. But Um, as he puts in his column,
puts it it was a legend spotted in the gutter

(47:26):
because you know, they found it rusted through and rattling,
with too many repairs and too few original parts. But
you know the supercharger that that they used in it,
you know, in the last of the eight interceptors. Um,
it was important that you know this one for the
Mad Max movie had it. So it definitely does again.
And what an iconic car. I guess it's an iconic
movie car. Um not necessarily one that a lot of

(47:49):
people would find collectible, I think, because I've seen where
the original UM intercepted. The original Mad Max Interceptor was
on sale for a while, I believe, and and some
I don't know where this was. I don't know if
it's in Australia, like just in the classified somewhere once
it was done with the promotional tours. Apparently this thing's
sat for quite a while. Nobody really wanted it. Nobody
picked it up. No one at auction said yea, I'll

(48:10):
pay whatever it was or um, you know, maybe someone
just owned it and kept in the garage for a while,
but no one, no one was seeking actively seeking that
vehicle as they do, you know, like the original Batmobile
or the original Well if there is an original general yeah,
one of the eighteen Yeah, I mean there's a bunch
of them that are sold as original. But um, you
know the cars like that typically, um, you know, once

(48:32):
they're done with their you know movie production or movie yeah,
production and promotion. Uh, they go up for sale or
as Dennis told us that, you know, some of them
are just destroyed because of liability reasons or held on
too for parts or reshoots or whatever. But um, for
whatever reason, this h this interceptor, this Mad Max Falcon,
you know, seventy four Ford XB Falcon um doesn't necessarily

(48:54):
garner that kind of attention. I would think that it would.
It will now, I think it will because there is
planned and the Interceptor is so much a part of
the story. There's some crazy fan theories too about this
gap in time and the age of the Interceptor, and
it's very interesting stuff. If you're a Mad Max fan
and you have some time, like seriously, have some time

(49:17):
at least half an hour starts sifting through some of
those fan theories, You're gonna read some weird stuff. Scott.
There's one vehicle that we must give an honorable mention to,
although it was not on the list, which otherwise people
are gonna kill us. All right, we have to hear
about that. So you've seen the trailers I have where
that guy is standing on that one thing playing guitar. Yes,
I know where you're gonna say, because I read a

(49:38):
small paragraph about it. Yeah, the doofe Wagon. The doofe Wagon.
This is the name of it, the o f This
is an interesting one because this is like um and
the way that I saw it described by the creator
again Colin, he said that this is kind of like
the the representation of you know, like the old the
old drummer boy and the flute player. Right, you know,

(49:58):
imagine like Civil War times, you know that, you know,
but that's not going to do out the desert when
they've got you know, twelve hundred horsepower machines charging across
the desert. So they need something like the Doofwagon. Yeah,
it's a moral machine, as they say. Uh. This was
originally going to be based on an m A Z
five forty three or again or Hurricane, which is a

(50:19):
Soviet Belarusian eight by a artillery truck. Okay, so they
had to uh modify a lot of the design. It
has a supercharged V eight engine with a mobile stage,
wall of speakers, sub woofer's, air conditioning ducks. It's like
a rolling concert hall. And they have this guy who

(50:40):
is attached to it by bungee cords him and his
guitar and he's just like bungees around playing music, him
and his guitar. So he they're charging across the desert
and who knows what speed, supposedly a hundred miles an
hour or whatever it is. And this guy's playing the
guitar atop a military vehicle that's just loaded with speakers.
I mean the speakers um is huge part of this
whole vehicle. I mean it's it's enormous. Um. Think about

(51:02):
a truck um, a semi truck trailer that has bent
into almost an S configuration on both sides and at
the end are these enormous speakers that blast out right
next to him. And not only that, his guitar is
a flamethrower. Yes, his guitar does have the ability to
admit flame. Let me correct myself there that that initial

(51:23):
design was the Soviet Belarusian thing. This is a man
lk WUH Cat one A one still an eight by
eight truck. It's got a fifteen ton class vehicle modified
with a wider track of millimeters. And in real life,
this thing serves as a carrier and launcher system for
Roland and Patriot weapons. He does look very military, even

(51:46):
even in this form. It does now with the addition
of all those speakers. And by the way, all of
those speakers are functional, So this thing really was operating,
and it does operate. Um, and he's really playing the
guitar on top of the thing during the film. It's
it's incredible how what level they went to to make
this realistic. I mean, they could have made those non
functional and that would have been super easy for them,
but but they want the extra length to make it functional,

(52:08):
making everything work. I love that. Yes, and I hate
to say that we have to. We have to draw
it to a little bit of a close, all right,
So just quickly without going over this whole thing again. UM,
do you have a favorite vehicle out of all the
vehicles you saw or is it tough to choose? I
absolutely do have a favorite vehicle. Okay, if I if

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I had to choose one, I have one I would choose, Okay,
which one is that? I would choose the interceptor? The interceptor, okay,
have to yeah, because the interceptor is the original one.
It's a car for a loaner. And uh, no offense
to my girlfriend if she's listening. But you know, like
in a post apocalyptic world, I see myself as you know,
like not like a cult leader or something, but nomad

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like mad Max. We didn't even talk about the motorcyle.
Trust me, I totally understand the Last Man on Earth fantasy.
Understand I really do. And it offends my wife every
time I mentioned it. And I don't mean it that way,
but but but that's the way it comes off. I guess.
All right, So my choice, um without seeing the film yet,
just by what I've read, what I've seen in photos
and and on you know, these trailers, and it might

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change when you see the gig a horse giggle horse.
Really yeah. I like the other dual Cadillac design that
is so cool and the idea with the you know,
the twin supercharged V eight side by side horsepower, how
can you go wrong with You're going for flash And
I'm a fifty nine Caddy fan to begin with see
a stack one on top of the other one and
come on, it's double good. Yeah, how could you go

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wrong with the vehicle like that? So okay, giggle horses. Mind.
But I'm gonna watch the film soon and we'll see
if that changes, because who knows, maybe I'll see something
there that is more appealing. And we hope you enjoyed
this episode. Right in and let us know if you
have seen Mad Max Fury Road. Now, keep in mind
this is a very violent movie. It's not for everyone,

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but just from a car guy perspective, if you're gonna
dig what they've done here, or if you're a big
fan of of classic cars, you you might be a
little irritated by what they've done. But this is amazing.
They put a lot of work into it. They spent
years trying to find the right cars without computer chips
or without They try to find older cars that would

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