March 12, 2023 • 16 mins
Guest Host Richard Syrett and Historian Robert W. Sullivan discuss occult symbolism hidden in TV shows and Movies.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on
iHeart Radio, and we are back with Robert W. Sullivan
the fourth talking about symbolism, a cult symbolism in the movies.
And we're going to focus on one type of cinema
symbolism and that is a cult casting. So just can
(00:24):
kind of give us an example. I think there's a
there's a good one with before we get into the
shining and so forth. But there's another. There's another example
with the actor that Sarahlec Guinness, who of course was
Obi Wan kenobi in Uh in Star Wars. There's another.
(00:46):
I think we've talked about his casting another movie that
was I guess supposed to evoke memories of Star Wars
or something like that. No, it's the one you're talking
about Max von sdo Ah. Sorry, well this is this
is a good example. There there's there's many, but we
can start with this one. This was when um in
(01:07):
in in the one in Star Wars episode seven uh.
When when when the movie opens on the on the
desert planet uh. And this is where Kylo Wren is
coming for the relic that the Maxilon Cito character has.
He passes it onto the Poe character. And then and
then they confront uh von Cito confronts Kylo Wren and
(01:27):
he gets ultimately gets killed. Um and and it begs
the question, and this is you know, it's like, what why,
why can't why are you casting maxiflon Ceto to be
in this movie for literally what is probably less than
five minutes of screen time when any numbers of actors
could have could have played this part. Um and and
and when I was watching it, there was just something
(01:48):
that was like a splinter in my head that just
wasn't sitting right. And it wasn't necessarily sinister or anything,
but it just stirred this curiosity. I kind of felt
like I'd seen this all before. And sure enough, And
this is kind of what I'm talking about when I say,
are called casting the use of an actor or actress
to sort of plant something in your subconscious mind. Um,
the placing of von Sido in the Star Wars episode
(02:11):
seven is designed to implant in your subconscious mind two
other movies that von Cido was in, and they're The
Exorcist and Dune. And what I mean is this when
when when when the character in the Star Wars movie
again episode seven, the force awakens, Um comes out and
confronts Kylo Rend and gets struck down. Um. I mean
it brings to mind you know what other Max von
(02:33):
Sido movie opens in the desert and he stands and
stands up to a dark evil figure. And of course
the first one is The Exorcist, where you know, he
starts out von Cido plays the Jesuit priest um in
the deserts of Iraq, and then he finds the statue
of Pezuzu Um and he confronts it, and of course
that's the opening scene. Um. And then there's another one,
(02:53):
which is Dune, where von Cido is of course on Iraqus,
which is the desert plant is and does he stand
up a dark evil figure and of course yes it is.
It's Baron Harconin. And in that movie he gets struck
down right away. UM. So why do this, you know
why places von Cito in Star Wars? What the idea
is and the way this works is by putting von
Sido at the beginning of that movie. Um, it's transferring
(03:17):
the exorcistem Dune to your subconscious mind. It's not done consciously,
It's done very surreptitiously. Um. And what it does is
and invests kyler Ren and the first order was sort
of the diabolical scheme, the evilness as it were, of
Pazuzu the demon and Baron harconin um. And and that's
that's what I mean by a coodcasting. It's uh, that's
(03:39):
for real movie fans though, I mean that's the director
did that almost just for people like you who are
who are real cinophiles, who can who can do that
cross reference and say, you know, say, oh wait a minute.
Max von Cito was in Dune and he was a
miss movie. That's why he's doing it. It's almost like
they put that easter egg in there just for you. Yeah,
it's it's an easter egg and it's very hard to
(04:01):
pick up one, but it it's it's also I can
see it, so, I mean I can point it out.
But if you're watching the movie again, what a lot
of these guys, what are these directors like to do
is tweak with your subconscious mind by using archetypes, archetypal
imagery in this case. Um. So it's almost one of
those things where it affects the movie goer but they're
(04:22):
not aware of it. Um. That's sort of the level
these guys are working. One I know to look for it, UM,
so I can kind of spot it. And like I said,
when I first started doing this, the very first UM
movie I noticed this with was the sequel to The Matrix.
I believe it was called UM Matrix Reloaded. Maybe it
(04:42):
was UM. And it was the use of Anthony Zerbe Um,
the actor in it UM and and and and the
and the sequel to the Matrix. The use of Zerbe
was cross referencing Omega Man with Charlton Heston, because Zerbe
gives a speech in the Matrix movie which is exactly
the same as the one he gives an Omega Man,
only reversed. It's everything is backwards UM. And if and
(05:06):
if you're familiar with Matrix and you're familiar with my research,
those movies are our gnostic cinema UM. That's the Valentinian
strain UM. And when you're doing with gnosticism, you're doing
with a lot of the reversal of Orthodox Christianity UM.
So the fact that they would use Zerbie and reverse
everything isn't surprising. That's the first movie I noticed it with.
And again, when you're doing with adroit filmmakers. Uh, you know,
(05:29):
you can see it. And like I said, the Bon
Sido example in Star Wars is just a classic example
of this. And as I was telling you, I think
the last time we talked, I was rewatching all the
James Bond movies and I actually discovered, um, some anomalies
in there as well. And of course there's really a
great one in The Shining. Um that that's just uncanny
(05:50):
that I just actually discovered within the last week. Um,
that's fantastic. All right, Well, let's get into the Shining
Before that, I just wanted to mention another example. You
mentioned Max von Sito in Star Wars seven, and he's
confronting evil and that's a callback I guess to the Exorcist.
But the other, the other one example would be Max
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von Sito as Jesus in the Greatest Story Ever told?
Isn't he in the desert confronting the devil? Um? You know,
the temptation in the wilderness? Yeah? Absolutely, Um yeah, I
mean it's another great example of it. I mean you
can look at it like that um in in in
the Star Wars. In the Star Wars movie, though, what
I would say is, if you watch the character very closely.
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He's a hermit. Um. He's he's a hermit living alone. Um.
And when you when you watch in my mind, when
you watch The exorcistem, dude, it seems to invoke those
more because the character is more in line, um, with
a hermit than he is of christlike figure, like a
savior figure. UM. So again it's it's it's very narrow
and price splitting hairs a little bit. But certainly, um,
(06:56):
what you're saying is, you know you could certainly draw
that comparison also. Okay, So now we're going to talk
about The Shining nineteen eighty Stanley Kubrick adaptation of Stephen
King's book of the same name, taking place at the
Overlook Hotel in um In Colorado. Jack Nicholson, of course,
(07:19):
that classic role as Jack Torrence and Shelley Duval Scatman Cruthers.
So there is an example of a cult casting in
The Shining, right. The one thing that's really unique with
The Shining, and certainly we've talked about this before, is
the whole thing with Kubrick exposing the moon landing through
(07:42):
the use of a little boy, the Apollo eleven sweatshirt,
the room two three seven, which is the distance from
Earth to the Moon. And of course, the idea with
this is that Kubrick actually, you know, filmed the footage
of these guys hopping around in some sort of secret
you know, government sound stage where um you know, and
and and kuber Kubrick is tipping off people, um to
(08:06):
this in The Shining. Um and or he's just he's
playing around with it because he knows that people think
that he was responsible for faking the moon landing, and
so maybe he's just kind of having some fun with it. Well,
the idea is that he actually filmed it in and again,
the the this is not far fetched, um Kubrick. Kubrick
used in the film that he came out prior to
(08:27):
The Shining was Barry Linden, and he actually used NASA
technology to film that movie. Um So. So Kubrick worked
hand in hand with NASA and the government. Um So
the idea that he staged this is not is not
that far fetched, especially when you know that Linden Barry
Linden was made with NASA massa lenses, NASA NASA cinema lenses,
(08:47):
camera lenses. Um. Of course, if you watch The Shining,
the whole thing with the Little Boy with the Apollo eleven,
you know, sweatshirt, sweater when he stands up, goes through
two thirty seven. The distance from the Earth to the
Moon was two hundred and thirty seven thousand miles. So
the question begs, is is there anything else in there
that Kubrick is sort of tipping you off to that
he could have filmed stage this moon landing. They may
(09:09):
have went, I mean the theories they could have gone
to the Moon, but they couldn't have filmed there. So
they hired Kubrick based on Strange Love in two thousand
and one, to film this footage in a top secret
government labs on where sound stage, all right, as an
insurance policy, so that they could prove to the world
that they did go there even though they did go there. Correct,
they couldn't have film or the moon is the theory,
they just couldn't write. So they had that makes sense right,
(09:33):
They had Kubrick stage. So the question then becomes, is
there any other movie that came out recently prior to
The Shining that actually depicts them faking the moon landing
in the top secret government sound stage, And the answer
is yes. In nineteen seventy one, that James Bond movie
Diamonds Are Forever is released, and if you're familiar with
(09:54):
that film, this is the last of the Sean Connery
James Bond movies. This was the last time he played
a mechanical James Bond movies. Play last thing he played
Double A seven. He breaks into a top secret government
facility in the Nevada Desert, which is obviously supposed to
be Area fifty one, and he's walking around, and of
course he gets found out, so a chasin sues and
he actually winds up inside a sound stage where they're
(10:17):
faking the moon landing. They're filing the moon landing. I'd
forgotten about that, yeah, and he escapes in a faked
lunar vehicle. You know, they got the astronauts hopping around
and taking the soil samples and they're filming the fake
moon landing. So then the question becomes, Okay, does the
Stanley Kubrick in the Shining reference James Bond anywhere as
(10:38):
sort of like an homage to Diamonds Are Forever, you know,
and to tip you off that he takes the moon landing?
Is there a James Bond reference in the shining anywhere,
And the answer to the question is, yeah, there's the
biggest one of all, and that is and this will
fall through the cracks, is most people, and myself concluded
(11:00):
and recently, if you had asked someone who is the
first actor to play James Bond, your answer would have
immediately gone to Sean Connery in Doctor No For David
Nibbons David Niven. False. The first actor to play James Bond,
believe it or not, is none other than Barry Nelson,
(11:22):
who played it in nineteen fifty four in a TV
made for movie on a TV show called Climax where
they actually put on a live performance of Casino Royal,
which is Ian Fleming's first novel. Who's Barry Nelson who,
of course it's familiar with the Shining Barry Nelson is
Stuart Allman, the guy who hires Jack Torrence at the
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near the beginning of the movie. Oh though the manager
of the Overlook Hotel. Yeah, is James Bond. Wow, the
manager of the Overlook Hotel is the first actor to
play James Bond. So Kubrick actually places Jane Bond in
the movie by hiring Barry Nelson. Um and Nelson's hiring
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is a direct reference, is subconsciously telling your mind that
you know, he is employing James Bond to least the
Overlook Hotel, to rent it out, to hire Jack Torrence
as the caretaker, and by employing James Bond himself. Um,
I find it to be a completely under the table
homage to Diamonds Are Forever um and Kubrick is again
(12:27):
sort of suggesting that he is the guy who faked
the moon landing footage. And I found that fascinating. I
had no idea about that. I just discovered that Richard
in the last week. Uh, Barry Nelson Stuart Allman is
the first actor to play Double O seven. It was
not Sean Connery. It would have been too obvious if
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he if he hired Sean Connery to play Yeah, yeah, obvious,
But I mean, I just I just found that fascinating.
I couldn't believe it when I found that out. You know,
it was Barry Nelson was the first actor to play
James Bond in a TV production of Climax from nineteen
fifty four, So I guess you could see that you
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could view the shining as a kind of Stanley Kubrick's confession. Yeah,
I think that's I think that's a fair way to
put it. I think when you look at the evidence
of it with the Little Boy with the Apollo eleven,
and then you have Diamonds or Forever in nineteen seventy one,
the Shining just a few years later, I mean, yeah,
I mean I think the evidence definitely, as a lawyer,
definitely begins to tip the scales without question in favor that, Yeah,
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Kubrick definitely must have had a hand in this. And
then again, the real smoking gun on all this, which
a lot of people aren't aware of, is the movie
that he made before The Shining, which was Barry Linden,
which you know he filmed with NASA lenses. You know,
the camera equipment all came from nassas, so he clearly
had a working relationship with them. I'll just add real
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quick the reason the reason he needed NASAD technology for
Barry Linden. It's set during the Napoleonic era, and he
wanted the film seems scenes exclusively lit by candlelight, which
you can't do. Um, they're too dark. Um. If you
ever watch a movie in the forties and fifties or
even sixties. Whenever there's a scene set by exclusive candle light,
you can see then you know the lighting coming from
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the side, they're just too dark. NASA had developed lenses
that were way ahead of their time that allows you
to do that that that you know, fractured the light
and you know, enhanced the candlelight. So Krubrick found this
out and went to NASA and got these cameras, got
these specific lenses that he used to film these scenes
strictly lit by candlelight in Barry Lindon and again that's
(14:38):
sort of the real smoking nun On. This is it
proves this relationship, the symbiotic relationship became between Brick and NASA.
And when you couple that with what's going on in
the Shining and certainly now you can add in Barry
Nelson as a James Bond diamonds are forever reference. Uh
you know James Bond himself. Yeah, I mean, I think
I think the scales are definitely tilted in the to
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the idea that Cooper had a hand in this. Robert W.
Sullivan The Fourth Cinema Symbolism Volumes one through three. Are
you working on volume four? Yes? I am. That is
actually being worked on as I speak, and that is
coming along very very well. How often do you have
to watch a movie until you start to make all
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of these connections and determine, Okay, this is the occult theme, here,
the occult casting and somewhere. How often do you have
to watch the film? Oh, more than once? Usually, when
I watch a movie for the first time, it's usually
just done for entertainment value, unless it becomes very very
obvious to me that there are things just leaping off
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the screen the flat screen at me. But no more
than one time, and even on multiple occasions I'll miss something.
There are movies to this day that if I sit
down and watch them, despite the fact of having watched
them countless times in the past, I'm never really going
to pick up on something new, you know. I think
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of a movie like Black Swan, the one that I've
watched repeatedly that's just over overloaded with stuff. Is the
last Halloween movie, Halloween Ends, that's got lots of stuff
going on in it. That's what I would describe as
if Hallow, if a Halloween movie was made by David Lynch,
that's what it would look like, because that thing really
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tweaks with reality and what's happening and what's happening on
the screen and is Michael Myers even there? Lots going
on in that movie. Like I said to you, I
I just went back and rewatched all the James Bond
movies from start to finish. Lots going on in those.
The one that I just picked up one was the
one I just mentioned, But there's another one from nineteen
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Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on
iHeart Radio, and we are back with Robert W. Sullivan
the fourth talking about symbolism, a cult symbolism in the movies.
And we're going to focus on one type of cinema
symbolism and that is a cult casting. So just can
(00:24):
kind of give us an example. I think there's a
there's a good one with before we get into the
shining and so forth. But there's another. There's another example
with the actor that Sarahlec Guinness, who of course was
Obi Wan kenobi in Uh in Star Wars. There's another.
(00:46):
I think we've talked about his casting another movie that
was I guess supposed to evoke memories of Star Wars
or something like that. No, it's the one you're talking
about Max von sdo Ah. Sorry, well this is this
is a good example. There there's there's many, but we
can start with this one. This was when um in
(01:07):
in in the one in Star Wars episode seven uh.
When when when the movie opens on the on the
desert planet uh. And this is where Kylo Wren is
coming for the relic that the Maxilon Cito character has.
He passes it onto the Poe character. And then and
then they confront uh von Cito confronts Kylo Wren and
(01:27):
he gets ultimately gets killed. Um and and it begs
the question, and this is you know, it's like, what why,
why can't why are you casting maxiflon Ceto to be
in this movie for literally what is probably less than
five minutes of screen time when any numbers of actors
could have could have played this part. Um and and
and when I was watching it, there was just something
(01:48):
that was like a splinter in my head that just
wasn't sitting right. And it wasn't necessarily sinister or anything,
but it just stirred this curiosity. I kind of felt
like I'd seen this all before. And sure enough, And
this is kind of what I'm talking about when I say,
are called casting the use of an actor or actress
to sort of plant something in your subconscious mind. Um,
the placing of von Sido in the Star Wars episode
(02:11):
seven is designed to implant in your subconscious mind two
other movies that von Cido was in, and they're The
Exorcist and Dune. And what I mean is this when
when when when the character in the Star Wars movie
again episode seven, the force awakens, Um comes out and
confronts Kylo Rend and gets struck down. Um. I mean
it brings to mind you know what other Max von
(02:33):
Sido movie opens in the desert and he stands and
stands up to a dark evil figure. And of course
the first one is The Exorcist, where you know, he
starts out von Cido plays the Jesuit priest um in
the deserts of Iraq, and then he finds the statue
of Pezuzu Um and he confronts it, and of course
that's the opening scene. Um. And then there's another one,
(02:53):
which is Dune, where von Cido is of course on Iraqus,
which is the desert plant is and does he stand
up a dark evil figure and of course yes it is.
It's Baron Harconin. And in that movie he gets struck
down right away. UM. So why do this, you know
why places von Cito in Star Wars? What the idea
is and the way this works is by putting von
Sido at the beginning of that movie. Um, it's transferring
(03:17):
the exorcistem Dune to your subconscious mind. It's not done consciously,
It's done very surreptitiously. Um. And what it does is
and invests kyler Ren and the first order was sort
of the diabolical scheme, the evilness as it were, of
Pazuzu the demon and Baron harconin um. And and that's
that's what I mean by a coodcasting. It's uh, that's
(03:39):
for real movie fans though, I mean that's the director
did that almost just for people like you who are
who are real cinophiles, who can who can do that
cross reference and say, you know, say, oh wait a minute.
Max von Cito was in Dune and he was a
miss movie. That's why he's doing it. It's almost like
they put that easter egg in there just for you. Yeah,
it's it's an easter egg and it's very hard to
(04:01):
pick up one, but it it's it's also I can
see it, so, I mean I can point it out.
But if you're watching the movie again, what a lot
of these guys, what are these directors like to do
is tweak with your subconscious mind by using archetypes, archetypal
imagery in this case. Um. So it's almost one of
those things where it affects the movie goer but they're
(04:22):
not aware of it. Um. That's sort of the level
these guys are working. One I know to look for it, UM,
so I can kind of spot it. And like I said,
when I first started doing this, the very first UM
movie I noticed this with was the sequel to The Matrix.
I believe it was called UM Matrix Reloaded. Maybe it
(04:42):
was UM. And it was the use of Anthony Zerbe Um,
the actor in it UM and and and and the
and the sequel to the Matrix. The use of Zerbe
was cross referencing Omega Man with Charlton Heston, because Zerbe
gives a speech in the Matrix movie which is exactly
the same as the one he gives an Omega Man,
only reversed. It's everything is backwards UM. And if and
(05:06):
if you're familiar with Matrix and you're familiar with my research,
those movies are our gnostic cinema UM. That's the Valentinian
strain UM. And when you're doing with gnosticism, you're doing
with a lot of the reversal of Orthodox Christianity UM.
So the fact that they would use Zerbie and reverse
everything isn't surprising. That's the first movie I noticed it with.
And again, when you're doing with adroit filmmakers. Uh, you know,
(05:29):
you can see it. And like I said, the Bon
Sido example in Star Wars is just a classic example
of this. And as I was telling you, I think
the last time we talked, I was rewatching all the
James Bond movies and I actually discovered, um, some anomalies
in there as well. And of course there's really a
great one in The Shining. Um that that's just uncanny
(05:50):
that I just actually discovered within the last week. Um,
that's fantastic. All right, Well, let's get into the Shining
Before that, I just wanted to mention another example. You
mentioned Max von Sito in Star Wars seven, and he's
confronting evil and that's a callback I guess to the Exorcist.
But the other, the other one example would be Max
(06:12):
von Sito as Jesus in the Greatest Story Ever told?
Isn't he in the desert confronting the devil? Um? You know,
the temptation in the wilderness? Yeah? Absolutely, Um yeah, I
mean it's another great example of it. I mean you
can look at it like that um in in in
the Star Wars. In the Star Wars movie, though, what
I would say is, if you watch the character very closely.
(06:34):
He's a hermit. Um. He's he's a hermit living alone. Um.
And when you when you watch in my mind, when
you watch The exorcistem, dude, it seems to invoke those
more because the character is more in line, um, with
a hermit than he is of christlike figure, like a
savior figure. UM. So again it's it's it's very narrow
and price splitting hairs a little bit. But certainly, um,
(06:56):
what you're saying is, you know you could certainly draw
that comparison also. Okay, So now we're going to talk
about The Shining nineteen eighty Stanley Kubrick adaptation of Stephen
King's book of the same name, taking place at the
Overlook Hotel in um In Colorado. Jack Nicholson, of course,
(07:19):
that classic role as Jack Torrence and Shelley Duval Scatman Cruthers.
So there is an example of a cult casting in
The Shining, right. The one thing that's really unique with
The Shining, and certainly we've talked about this before, is
the whole thing with Kubrick exposing the moon landing through
(07:42):
the use of a little boy, the Apollo eleven sweatshirt,
the room two three seven, which is the distance from
Earth to the Moon. And of course, the idea with
this is that Kubrick actually, you know, filmed the footage
of these guys hopping around in some sort of secret
you know, government sound stage where um you know, and
and and kuber Kubrick is tipping off people, um to
(08:06):
this in The Shining. Um and or he's just he's
playing around with it because he knows that people think
that he was responsible for faking the moon landing, and
so maybe he's just kind of having some fun with it. Well,
the idea is that he actually filmed it in and again,
the the this is not far fetched, um Kubrick. Kubrick
used in the film that he came out prior to
(08:27):
The Shining was Barry Linden, and he actually used NASA
technology to film that movie. Um So. So Kubrick worked
hand in hand with NASA and the government. Um So
the idea that he staged this is not is not
that far fetched, especially when you know that Linden Barry
Linden was made with NASA massa lenses, NASA NASA cinema lenses,
(08:47):
camera lenses. Um. Of course, if you watch The Shining,
the whole thing with the Little Boy with the Apollo eleven,
you know, sweatshirt, sweater when he stands up, goes through
two thirty seven. The distance from the Earth to the
Moon was two hundred and thirty seven thousand miles. So
the question begs, is is there anything else in there
that Kubrick is sort of tipping you off to that
he could have filmed stage this moon landing. They may
(09:09):
have went, I mean the theories they could have gone
to the Moon, but they couldn't have filmed there. So
they hired Kubrick based on Strange Love in two thousand
and one, to film this footage in a top secret
government labs on where sound stage, all right, as an
insurance policy, so that they could prove to the world
that they did go there even though they did go there. Correct,
they couldn't have film or the moon is the theory,
they just couldn't write. So they had that makes sense right,
(09:33):
They had Kubrick stage. So the question then becomes, is
there any other movie that came out recently prior to
The Shining that actually depicts them faking the moon landing
in the top secret government sound stage, And the answer
is yes. In nineteen seventy one, that James Bond movie
Diamonds Are Forever is released, and if you're familiar with
(09:54):
that film, this is the last of the Sean Connery
James Bond movies. This was the last time he played
a mechanical James Bond movies. Play last thing he played
Double A seven. He breaks into a top secret government
facility in the Nevada Desert, which is obviously supposed to
be Area fifty one, and he's walking around, and of
course he gets found out, so a chasin sues and
he actually winds up inside a sound stage where they're
(10:17):
faking the moon landing. They're filing the moon landing. I'd
forgotten about that, yeah, and he escapes in a faked
lunar vehicle. You know, they got the astronauts hopping around
and taking the soil samples and they're filming the fake
moon landing. So then the question becomes, Okay, does the
Stanley Kubrick in the Shining reference James Bond anywhere as
(10:38):
sort of like an homage to Diamonds Are Forever, you know,
and to tip you off that he takes the moon landing?
Is there a James Bond reference in the shining anywhere,
And the answer to the question is, yeah, there's the
biggest one of all, and that is and this will
fall through the cracks, is most people, and myself concluded
(11:00):
and recently, if you had asked someone who is the
first actor to play James Bond, your answer would have
immediately gone to Sean Connery in Doctor No For David
Nibbons David Niven. False. The first actor to play James Bond,
believe it or not, is none other than Barry Nelson,
(11:22):
who played it in nineteen fifty four in a TV
made for movie on a TV show called Climax where
they actually put on a live performance of Casino Royal,
which is Ian Fleming's first novel. Who's Barry Nelson who,
of course it's familiar with the Shining Barry Nelson is
Stuart Allman, the guy who hires Jack Torrence at the
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near the beginning of the movie. Oh though the manager
of the Overlook Hotel. Yeah, is James Bond. Wow, the
manager of the Overlook Hotel is the first actor to
play James Bond. So Kubrick actually places Jane Bond in
the movie by hiring Barry Nelson. Um and Nelson's hiring
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is a direct reference, is subconsciously telling your mind that
you know, he is employing James Bond to least the
Overlook Hotel, to rent it out, to hire Jack Torrence
as the caretaker, and by employing James Bond himself. Um,
I find it to be a completely under the table
homage to Diamonds Are Forever um and Kubrick is again
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sort of suggesting that he is the guy who faked
the moon landing footage. And I found that fascinating. I
had no idea about that. I just discovered that Richard
in the last week. Uh, Barry Nelson Stuart Allman is
the first actor to play Double O seven. It was
not Sean Connery. It would have been too obvious if
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he if he hired Sean Connery to play Yeah, yeah, obvious,
But I mean, I just I just found that fascinating.
I couldn't believe it when I found that out. You know,
it was Barry Nelson was the first actor to play
James Bond in a TV production of Climax from nineteen
fifty four, So I guess you could see that you
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could view the shining as a kind of Stanley Kubrick's confession. Yeah,
I think that's I think that's a fair way to
put it. I think when you look at the evidence
of it with the Little Boy with the Apollo eleven,
and then you have Diamonds or Forever in nineteen seventy one,
the Shining just a few years later, I mean, yeah,
I mean I think the evidence definitely, as a lawyer,
definitely begins to tip the scales without question in favor that, Yeah,
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Kubrick definitely must have had a hand in this. And
then again, the real smoking gun on all this, which
a lot of people aren't aware of, is the movie
that he made before The Shining, which was Barry Linden,
which you know he filmed with NASA lenses. You know,
the camera equipment all came from nassas, so he clearly
had a working relationship with them. I'll just add real
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quick the reason the reason he needed NASAD technology for
Barry Linden. It's set during the Napoleonic era, and he
wanted the film seems scenes exclusively lit by candlelight, which
you can't do. Um, they're too dark. Um. If you
ever watch a movie in the forties and fifties or
even sixties. Whenever there's a scene set by exclusive candle light,
you can see then you know the lighting coming from
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the side, they're just too dark. NASA had developed lenses
that were way ahead of their time that allows you
to do that that that you know, fractured the light
and you know, enhanced the candlelight. So Krubrick found this
out and went to NASA and got these cameras, got
these specific lenses that he used to film these scenes
strictly lit by candlelight in Barry Lindon and again that's
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sort of the real smoking nun On. This is it
proves this relationship, the symbiotic relationship became between Brick and NASA.
And when you couple that with what's going on in
the Shining and certainly now you can add in Barry
Nelson as a James Bond diamonds are forever reference. Uh
you know James Bond himself. Yeah, I mean, I think
I think the scales are definitely tilted in the to
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the idea that Cooper had a hand in this. Robert W.
Sullivan The Fourth Cinema Symbolism Volumes one through three. Are
you working on volume four? Yes? I am. That is
actually being worked on as I speak, and that is
coming along very very well. How often do you have
to watch a movie until you start to make all
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of these connections and determine, Okay, this is the occult theme, here,
the occult casting and somewhere. How often do you have
to watch the film? Oh, more than once? Usually, when
I watch a movie for the first time, it's usually
just done for entertainment value, unless it becomes very very
obvious to me that there are things just leaping off
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the screen the flat screen at me. But no more
than one time, and even on multiple occasions I'll miss something.
There are movies to this day that if I sit
down and watch them, despite the fact of having watched
them countless times in the past, I'm never really going
to pick up on something new, you know. I think
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of a movie like Black Swan, the one that I've
watched repeatedly that's just over overloaded with stuff. Is the
last Halloween movie, Halloween Ends, that's got lots of stuff
going on in it. That's what I would describe as
if Hallow, if a Halloween movie was made by David Lynch,
that's what it would look like, because that thing really
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tweaks with reality and what's happening and what's happening on
the screen and is Michael Myers even there? Lots going
on in that movie. Like I said to you, I
I just went back and rewatched all the James Bond
movies from start to finish. Lots going on in those.
The one that I just picked up one was the
one I just mentioned, But there's another one from nineteen
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