(04/29) HOTL Hour 2

Handel on the Law, Marginal Legal Advice.

Episode Transcript

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This is handle on the law marginallegal advice where I bill handle tell you
in certain name here you have absolutelyno case. There is a lawsuit that
I want to share with you,and this is a local lawsuit Riverside County,
which is east of here, eastof where I am, in the
San Franco Valley, LA County,and it is it was against the Mormon

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Church and against a stepfather. Thiswoman is suing the church, stepfather,
and her mom for sexual abuse.They were all within the church and part
of the church is well complains itsort of controls your life. I don't

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know if you've seen documentaries or talkto anybody, had the kind of controls
pretty extensive. And she had goneto her superiors or leaders of the church,
I don't know what particular title theyhad and complained about out the abuse.
And they turned around and the accusationwas that they that the church leaders

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protected the stepfather, and the mothertold her she shouldn't sue, told her
she was wrong, and she wentahead and sued and was able to establish
that abuse did happen and the threewrongdoers are the church, stepdad, mom,
And the jury came back and said, yeah, all of it is
true, and awarded her. Imean, this is kind of insane.

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Awarded her eight hundred and thirty sixdollars, eight hundred thirty six million dollars
in damages and one point four billiondollars in punitive damages. I've talked about
punitive damages before, you know.That is when there is a lot of
wrongdoing. And this is a civilmatters, not a criminal matter. When
there is a lot of wrongdoing,punitive damages kick in, sometimes by laws,

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sometimes the jury or a judges says, hey, you've I've got to
punish you punitive. That's what periodof damages are about. It is not
the damages someone has, that's actual, actual damages. It's to punish the
wrong door. Okay, so punishone point four billion actual damages. Eight
hundred and thirty six million dollars.Oh so you got two point three billion

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dollars now against the church and thefather and the stepfather and the mom.
All right, So who has thedeep pockets here? Whoa the church?
Because when you have three defendants,it's usually joint and several liability, which
means you can go after one oryou go after all of them. And

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so you can go after all ofthem, which means all of them are
liable for the two point three billiondollars, and whoever kicks up the money,
whoever has the money, you justcollect. Here's the problem. The
church had already settled for a milliondollars. They're out. The mom had
already settled for two hundred thousand dollars. She's out, leaving the more than

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two billion dollars lawsuit only against thestep dad, who probably has less money
than the Mormon Church. Now,in actuality, of course, there's no
there's no such thing as a twobillion dollars award under these circumstances. That's
impossible. The judge would bring itdown, probably to several billion dollars.

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But still what she did is sheallowed, and there's no way to know.
By the way, a million dollarsin the church may have been a
very good settlement at that point.But can you imagine a two billion dollars
award and the church the deep pocketsis out. That's like suing Amazon.
Driver takes your head off and theonly thing that's left is your torso and

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some limbs, and you settle againstAmazon, and the only person that's left
to get the money for our isa driver and you get a multimillion dollar
award. Yeah, pretty depressing.This is one of those where I would
commit suicide. But then that's me. Oh yes, okay, some phone

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calls, David, let's start withyou. Hello, Hey, well,
how are you doing? Yes,sir, what can I do for you?
Okay? So my son put hishouse up for sale, and but
of course he had second thoughts aboutdoing it. He signed a contract saying
that he'll sell it, and hewas waiting for some permits to come in
to do a add on to hisproperty. In the contract he says that

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the everything lies on the permit ifhe was going to sell or not.
Well, unfortunately, in San Diegoyou have to wait for permit process,
which could take six months to ayear to get that permit. So there
was a little miss understanding on theactual contract that was written. Since then,
my son, oh, let melet me add another thing. The

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realtor he as told him he doesn'thave to sell it if he doesn't want
to sell it, and he hasthat on paper and we have proof of
all that. Of course, tomake a long story short, the relatory
on the other side decided that shesaid, she's gonna sue them. Who
my son, he's gonna They're gonnasue because he broke the contract that the

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people were coming from Colorado to buythis property. It's a missing beach and
that was their dream house and right, So the relator on our side,
after several phone calls back and forth, text messaging, emails and everything else,
he said, if you don't wantto sell it, you don't have

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to sell it. So we gotinto the fight there, and the the
relator told us that we're gonna probablyhave to go to litigation. So I
told him. I jumped in andI got my attorney friend in there,
and I said, look, Isaid, what would it cost to us
for you to get in the middle? Blah blah blah. He went and
took care of it. Spent Wespent twenty five Is our realty are liable

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for that? Okay? There.Now we've got a bunch of issues here,
all of them being great questions.Did the people are going to buy
the house? Did they enter intoescrow and the deal was accepted? Yes?
Or no? They did? Theydid, So you have an escrow
that has been signed, or youhave a sales agreement that has been signed

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by both sides. Yes, okay, so you have two agreements, one
with the realtor to sell the houseand one with the buyers, who you
are saying you can't buy the house. We changed our mind, correct,
right, Okay, there should bewhat is called a liquidation clause between you

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and the buyers, saying it's impossibleto ascertain what the actual damages are because
that property is unique. There's onlyone in the world that is that house
on that property. So what we'regonna do is call it a liquid data
damage is clause, which means ifyou bail out of the contract, we

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get a thousand, two thousand andfive thousand dollars. Okay, that's one
that's enforceable, by the way,because you're the one that bailed out.
Now, as far as the realtour is concerned, once the reeler says
you can change your mind get outof the house, you're probably okay.
There Probably there is a clause inthe realist date agreement that you wrote with

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a real tour that says that thereal tour still is entitled to the commission
if you bail out. In otherwords, you could change your mind.
But the realtor still gets the commission. Now that one's a little bit more
difficult because the speculative is to whatyou're going to sell a house for.
So maybe there's a liquid data damageescaause in that one too, where if

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you bail, the realtor gets Xdollars. Now, since the realtor said
you can go ahead and sell thehouse, it's up in the air as
to whether that clause can be enforced. I would argue nope. Okay,
I would say absolutely not. Andwho is going to sue you? The
realtor or the family that bought thehouse? Do you know? So,

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So that being said, everything hasbeen canceled out. Okay, okay,
so good. So you got outof it. I just brought all that
to talk about all the laws,etc. So you spent twenty five hundred
dollars to get out of the property. Can you get your money back?
Nope? And I'll tell you whyyou breach the contract. You're the one

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that said to the buyers who yousigned a contract with the buyers, I'm
breaching the contract. Now you alsomay be breaching the contract with the realtor,
depending on how it's written and dependingon how it's interpreted. Yeah,
you can change your mind, etc. So if you got out of all
of that for twenty five hundred dollars, where's David? You walk away a

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happy camper. Got right, that'seasy. You could be held liable for
a lot more than that, andyour lawyer obviously it won hell of a
job by bailing you out of that. Hello, hey morning, Bill.
Yes, I got a question Igot. I got an acquaintance who has
a he's got a mechanic shop andhe leases it out on another property.

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Uh that has a business as well. He got behind them, He got
behind in the rent and they kickedhim out. Now everything is all verbal.
They kicked him out and they're they'reholding his tools as collateral. Can
they do this? Absolutely not.That is a big one. They are

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liable for a ton here right now. He's probably gonna have to go to
court, the easiest way of goingto court, and we'll probably got attorney
season this one. I would think, uh, statutorily just guessing on that
one. But what they've done isthey have a civil action against him for
back rent and they are stopping himfrom making a living. They can't do

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that. They have to give himback his tools. That's why you go
to court, you get a judgment. You follow the system. You can't
hold things, uh for collateral tomake sure what a car that so therefore
you can't drive to work ever,tools tools of the trade. I mean

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it's crazy even I mean, goahead, that's what I sell him too.
I said, they can't do that. I mean they can't money.
That's correct, he can't. Theycan't stop him from making liming. Also,
they're stupid. He owes back rent. They put in a position where
he can't work and earn enough moneyto pay back rent. I mean,
they're idiots. On top of that, but he goes to a lawyer immediately,

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I mean immediately, and is thereis there a lease that he signed?
No, okay, but it doesn'tit doesn't matter because the lease would
have set up attorney fees in thelease, so there'd be no issue.
But yeah, he is liable fora lot. Uh, there's he's he's
got it. Help tell him togo to an attorney tomorrow afternoon and sue

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for attorney's fees. Yeah. Absolutely, wow, you can't do that.
I mean that's really one Okay,you can imagine how egregious that is you
know, for example, holding peoplehostage. I'm holding on to what's extortion
now in my case, if oneof my kids was held, I go
go ahead and keep them or keepher. But you know it's a different

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philosophy. But still, I mean, you can't do that. That is
really nuts. Jennifer, Hi,Jennifer, welcome, Hi, thank you.
So my elderly father, UM,his wife had guardians of her minor
granddaughter my father, my father's wifesince with placed in the nursing home and
it passed away a few months afterthat. The granddaughter remained in the home

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with my dad. She's an absolutenightmare, which isn't worth getting into,
but it kind of plays into this. So she has since turned eighteen.
My father has told her that heplans to move. He's told her the
date. Um, it's a rentedhouse, by the way, and that
you know she's going to need toalso read. When you say rented house,

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hang on, when you say rentedhouse, does it belong to the
father or the mother or does everybodyrent from a separate landlord? Um,
I guess I'm not sure what youmean. So who owns the house?
Who owns who owns the house?The landlord some guy. Oh okay,

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god, that's what I wanted toask. All right, so is there
and is there a lease? Theymonth? Says I'm okay, bunth to
month? Okay, got it,all right, next question and okay,
And it's been that way for years. Basically, when he has told her
he plans to move and she's goingto have to also move more or less,
her response, all right, I'mlosing you. You know, all

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of a sudden, you're going intoa tunnel. He's told her she has
to move, and she's saying she'sstaying. Correct. Basically, she's like,
the luck you're trying to get meout? I all right, fine,
all right, So what's your question? Question? My question is that
he refuses to do anything to tryto get her to leave beforehand. So

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when the day comes when he moves, if she's still sitting in that house
and refusing to leave, if heresponsible with the landlord, no, no,
he's moving two month to month lease. He has to give the landlord
notice that he is moving. Hehas to give thirty days notice. You're
in California, right, correct,Yeah, okay, thirty days notice that

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he is leaving. And since sheis over eighteen. It's up to the
landlord. The landlord gets to avictor or not a victor, but he's
out the door. He has noresponsibility. Yeah, he's gone, and
so therefore, and she can sayI'm not moving, okay, tell the
landlord that not me, so she'llbe uh yeah, it's uh no,

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that's an easy one, isn't it? Uh let or left art or left
hard or how's that pronounced? Let'slet's left third? What what kind of
name is that? Lethard? Idon't know. I've tried to find the
origin over they haven't been able todo it. Okay, uh And I'm
trying to figure out what your actcaying. Yeah it's two. Where are you

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from? Birmingham, Alabama? Ah, there you go, I thought it.
Yeah, it's it's you know.Yeah. Okay, So you have
a question about whether your squirrel soupwas tainted? Right, Okay. I
live in a multi unit building.I'm a senior citizen and I was late

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on my homeowner's dues. I paidmy homeowner dues to a registered letter to
the bank, but I lost mykey. Like my I have a get
in order to get into my privateI have to have a key to the
elevator and have to get in thegate to get into the building. And

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I lost my key and I handedan emergency and I tried to call the
management company to ask them to butif I could buy a key. They
said no, they can't supprise mewith a key because I was in the
collection eight now they have. That'sthat's crap. All the letter, that's
crap. They have to supply youwith the key. They have to.

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They can't keep you from the propertyjust because you're behind. That's a civil
action. I mean, eventually theycan throw you out eventually. I mean
it's but certainly has to give youa key, so you let them know.
And if not, I got totell you there's some big violations there.
Now. I don't know what thelaw specifically about Alabama, but I've
got to tell you there is noissue as to them having to give you

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dot com. Hi, Sandy Yo, Sandy right, yes, Okay,
So I bought a vehicle, signalingI bought a vehicle about the beginning of
April. After a week, itjust didn't start up. So after many

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many calls back and forth to thedealership, they farting came up. It
picked it up and it wasn't thebattery because I had had the battery checked
and that was good. I liveup here in twenty Peaks, which is
where the National Guard came down.Because of the snow and everything. It's
up in the Standarnardino Mount since it'snot safe for me to be up here.

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I called back and forth. Theyhad my vehicle in their in their
dealership for about two weeks. AfterI called from the general manager to different
managers complaining, telling them I wantedan update. I couldn't get a I
couldn't get a a claim filed withthe UH with the extended warranty people because

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they needed a diagnostic on it frontfirst from the dealership to provide for them.
Anyway, I've gone back and forthback and they're not even They wouldn't
even take my calls and wouldn't responseto my to my email. But you
got your car back, right,You got your car back? Yeah?
Okay, so everything everything is copaseticwith the car. Hang on, everything

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is safe at the ground. Hesaid that the ground wire was loose.
They had it there for about twoweeks. I understand, Okay, hold
on, hold on. My questionis is the car cope asthetic? Now?
Yes? Okay, so now sowe don't have damages on the car

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that damages? Are they kept itfor two weeks? Yeah? Okay?
And the egregious part. And Ibelieve me. I lived down here in
southern California. For those that don'tknow what happened in San Bernardino, there
were snow drifts that went up twentyfeet. It was brutal, it was
insane, and it was very difficult. So that makes it more egregious.

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So cars back kept it for twoweeks. What's your question? So when
I picked it up, did Ijust lose you? I guess I did.
All right, so we'll put heron holes. Yeah, that's what
happens with cell phones. I can'teven put her on hold. The line

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is just dead San Berdino. It'sprobably in a snow drift right now.
Drove into it. Tony Hi,Tony, yes, yes Hi, how
are you doing? Thank you fortaking my call? Surely. Nineteen seventy
seven, purchased a home sixteen hundredsquare feet, four bedroom, two bath
under the prop thirteen nineteen ninety five, hired an engineer architect to survey and

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draw appliants for a four hundred andforty four square foot room addition, It
was permitted and approved by the city. Recently looked on Zillo. Jillo has
a one thousand and seven hundred andseventeen square feet but three bedroom, two
bath. I verified that with thecity in the county. They agree with
that. My question is I needto get that corrected because there's money in

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there. Hold on, why doyou need it to get it corrected?
Tony? Well, because the squarefootage is incorrect, all right, So
why do you need Okay, tellme why you need the square footage corrected?
Well, now I have two thousandand forty four square feet, Zill
has one thousand and seven hundred seventeen. Why you need why do you get

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why do you need to get itcorrected? Money? Okay? To explain
that to me? Okay, explainyou own a house? Is the house
for sale? No, it's notwhere we were thinking of. Okay,
all right, fine, all right, fine, And then that's another argument
entirely, and uh it's it getsto be several layers of argument on that

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one, and that is I haveit on Zillo Zillo is doing a bad
job gets it wrong. Therefore peoplethat would buy it are not looking at
it because they're looking at Zillo.Therefore those people are out of the market.
Although even though I don't think that'sgoing to work. Uh, at
least is an argument. Now you'renot selling the house. Why is it

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so important that Zillo give you theproper square footage? Is it about Zillo
that makes it a make or breakthat you have to have the proper footage
on Zillo? Explain that to me. I'm not, I'm not I'm so
stained about the Zillo. I'm concernedabout the back passes if I have that
correct and well they okay, sohold on. So if it's if it's

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less than what the actual footage is, you want to correct that to bring
it to the full footage so theycan pay attention and maybe reassess. Do
I get that right? Yeah?Are you out of your money? Are
you out of your mind? Ifright now, Zillo or anybody has it

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at a lower square footage, youwant to keep it at a lower square
footage. Hey, why don't youcall Why don't you bypass Zillo right and
call the county recorder, call whateverauthority and say, hey, I'm only
paying taxes on seventeen hundred square feet. I want to pay taxes on twenty

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one hundred square feet. Would yougo ahead and reassess, please, that's
what you're telling me. Well,I don't want to do that. I'm
just like, really, so,maybe I'm misunderstanding. Maybe I'm hold on,
maybe I'm misunderstanding. They have toomuch square footage. Correct, No,
they don't have enough square footage.And okay, let me go back
to the question. Why would youwant Zillo to put an extra four hundred

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feet even if it's correct when theythink it's less than that and you're paying
text taxes on less than that.Explain that one to me. I'm concerned
about in the future. The houseis will to the kids that Zillo has
nothing to do with it, Tony, Zio always nothing to do with it.

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But the city in the county hasthat same square footage as what the
seventeen hundred square feet. Yeah,that's what you want, Tony, that's
what you want, Tony. Listen. I know, Tony, I understand
you're in the middle of the breakat the MENSA meeting right now. I

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get that. Uh, but uhyeah, the answer is uh, no,
you don't want to do anything.You don't want to call Zilo.
You don't want any of that.Who ave Hi? Ave Hi. Over
the holidays, my daughter and sonin law, we're having a bunch of

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people over and they wanted to borrowa small oak dining table, which I
let them borrow. My daughter subsequentlyleft her husband and filed for divorce.
I asked for my table back frommy son in law and he said no,
he wants to see how it playsout with the dogs that my daughter

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took. Um. How do Iget people that. I'm a little confused,
So you have to figure out thedogs. And basically the table is
being held as hostile. Okay,all right, all right? But fair
enough? So can I sue himin small claims cord? Yeah? How
much is it worth? How muchdoes the table work? How much does

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the table worth? About a thousanddollars? Okay, that's okay, that's
that's enough money. You sue everybodyin small claims court. You sue the
You sue this the son and theson in law because he had because he
gave the table. Uh. Youtheoretically consue your daughter, which you're not
going to. Uh. And yousue. The guy is holding the table

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and you just want your thousand dollars, And it doesn't matter who pays you.
All you know is that you loanedit and now you want it back
or you actually you you don't wantit back. You want the value of
it back because you can't ask smallClaimscore to make an order to return it.
They don't do that. They'll giveyou, they'll give you the value.
Yeah, you sue for a thousanddollars. All you have to do
is prove that it's worth a thousanddollars. That's that's not easy to do.

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But yeah, I'm just do youhave pictures of it? Yes?
I do? Okay, Then youfigure out, look at this oak table,
great shape. You take it toyou go to some furniture person,
you know people that redo furniture,they're all over the place, and you
just get hey, can I havean estimate of what this would cost?
What was this worth? And youbring that in and you'll you should be

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okay with that. Yeah, trythat oak table thousand bucks. Yeah all
right, I'll buy that. Well, I won't buy it because I'm not
gonna spend a thousand hours on anoak table. But I'll buy that's worth
going to court for it. Hello, Charles, your turn, Oh perfect
timing, Bill. Listen, everyonerespects you in your opinion, and no

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one more to be. We bothhave the same type of savings that you
mentioned the other day on the air. So I just wanted to tell you
on a side note, you canget four point seven five just sitting on
your butt at home. And andand what is it that you're selling that
I can do that I'm not selling. Okay, okay, I'm not telling

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them, trust me. My question, though, is do I have a
case when I had my appliances repairedhere brand new under WARRANTGE sent him out
and they what they did was theyjust were replacing a small little door lock
latch on a brand new washer anddryer. And what does he do.
He goes and shuts off the innerpanel, an outer panel of my electrician.

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You know, you know he wasan electrician, but you know,
he goes, Oh, I gottaput the panel off because yeah, I
got it. Okay, Yeah,he shut off parts of the panel.
Okay, no the whole thing insideout, all right, No, it's
not okay. His his supervisor tellsme the next day he wasn't supposed to
even touch it as far as thepanel. It didn't need it for this
door lock. I didn't know.I thought he was a professional, right,

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and now he did damage and they'reclaiming, oh, we're not responsible.
How much damage? How much damage? All right? Hold on?
Hold n was racist at all?Hey, Charles? How much damage?
How much damage? I just saidyour statement was Charles? How much damage
did he do? Oh? Charleshunt up because I called him a racist?

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Did I miss something? Didn't hedo that with an accent? Yeah?
Charles will probably be calling back.He's too busy figuring out what four
point seven five percent is h Thatwas actually kind of neat. I like
that, Ruben, Hello, Rubin, Hey, good morning bill ah an
accent, perfect, perfect timing.It couldn't be better, Ruben. I'm

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not I'm not a racist. No, you don't sound like it. Where
are you from, Ruben? Originally? Belise? Oh Belise, Wow,
I don't get too many of those. That's kind of neat. Uh yeah,
yeah, I want to see whatI'm build. Um, thank you
for taking my call. I wouldn'tI stand. I worked at a company
and this was going to be twentythree years front test flash, you know,

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whatever they need at a front testpart of the job. But I
did everything else. Um. Onthe end of March, I was laid
off. I was told I wasgoing to be laid off yesterday, well
the thirty first of March. Iwas told my last they would be the
twenty eight, which was yesterday.But like two weeks ago, oh oh,
this is what I was told.The changes and the position was eliminated.

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Okay, but two weeks ago,yeah, so the position was eliminated.
Okay, who by the way,yeah it was. It wasn't that
it's Petter writing, but it wasjust I'm gonna be gone. You know,
this position is gone. I getit's a big compan um. Uh.

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But then like two weeks ago,I got a call from the woman
who was going to come in hereto do facilities. She said, uh,
there's a guard coming in, aguard coming. So I said,
well, okay, the position isgone. There was gonna put a guard
here. What was the position?Front desk? Okay, you were at
you were at the front desk,yes, front office office, everything,

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okay, all right, everything.So they said they're going to bring a
guard. So my mind was stillgoing, okay, the guard is coming
in, I'll be gone. Whateverhow they handled their dest is their problem.
They're gonna put a guard in fronta girl. A young girl came
in, you know, young girl. Also, after time was there,
I got a call from the facilitywoman to show her stuff, show this

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girl's stuff, which was I didn'tcross my mind at the day went time.
I spoke to the girl and Isaid, so, what were you
hired here for? And she said, uh, I'm an agency, but
I was hired for a reception allright, the same job as you had.
And they told you they eliminated thejob, and then they brought you
into they So they didn't eliminate thejob, right, Reuben. They just

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replaced you with someone doing the samejob, someone younger, correctly, all
right, got it? And doyou know for a fact she's getting less
money. I'm just curious. Iwould must behould be getting Okay, Well,
we're gonna find that out at somepoint. And I am assuming,
coming from Belize, you are black, is that right? No, I'm

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a Latino. I'm a mix.I'm what they call you know, I'm
mixed. I'm a light skin.I don't care about you know, we're
not talking about my back room isLatino my mind. Okay, so you're
mainly Latino, Yeah, but believethem by birth. I'm a believe that
part. It doesn't matter, No, no one cares. I'm a Brazilian
by birth. You're a Belizian bybirth. Oh that's very close. Right.

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The reason I know, the reasonI asked is I thought everybody from
Belize or most people from Belize werein fact black. But okay, so
you are Hispanish, same thing.But yeah, no, I get it
all right. So, uh thatwas sort of a kind of a decent
assumption a ninety percent oh by that. Uh so the Latino, you're Latino

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primarily, which is the art Andthe reason I ask is because you're going
to argue discrimination. Was the galthey hired white? No, it's the
black girl. Yeah you got aproblem. Yeah, I think they can
do that. I think they cando that, Rubin. I think they
can do that because they can getrid of you for any reason whatsoever.

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Because that's California is that law allowsanybody to get fired, not get fired
by an employer where you can't getfired because a race, creed, uh
religion. So here you go andyou're art, which probably you wouldn't win
anyway. You're arguing I got firedbecause because I'm an ethnic minority and they

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replaced me with an ethnic minority bill. But h nah, age doesn't really
fly anymore, it really doesn't.I mean, it's you know, it's
it's still worth it to talk toa discrimination attorney and all you have to
do is look one up. Idon't have any on my website, I
don't think, but yeah, yeah, it's you've got to do some research

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and find a someone attorney who doesa discrimination law. This is handle on
the law.