August 14, 2023 • 34 mins
John is solo today. Steve Gregory comes on the show for a live report on the fire response from the island of Maui after fires have devastated the island. More on the Hawaii fires. More on the idea of pushing people to drive all electric vehicles. There was a problem with self-driving cars in the Bay Area over the weekend.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Caf I Am six forty. You're listening to the John
and Ken Show on demand on the iHeartRadio app. Ken
is off today, Deborah Marcus here. Steve Gregory is in Hawaii.
Going to get to him in just a few seconds.
But we've got a lot coming up in the two
o'clock hour. You may have heard over the last few
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days there's been two mobs that have ransacked two shopping malls.
The Eaves Saint Laurent Sora at the Americana in Glendale
that's owned by Rick Caruso, and then the nord Strums
in Canoga Park the Topanga Ball That huge group thirty
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to fifty and grabbed perhaps one hundred thousand dollars worth
of merchandise. I'm sure you've seen the videos of that.
Blake Turley's going to come on at two o'clock to
talk about the Nordstroms getting invaded, and then Rick Caruso
will be on at two thirty because he's certain angry.
You may remember Carusoe ran from mayor. We had a
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choice to turn away from all this insanity, and people
picked Karen Bass instead. At least a majority did all that.
Coming up to the two o'clock hour. But first, Steve
Gregory is in Maui covering the huge fire. The death
toll is at last report was ninety six. It's going
up all the time. In fact, the governor said ten
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to twenty deaths will probably be confirmed each day as
they continue the investigation. And a lot of people upset.
A lot of people got very little warning that the
fires were coming, and Steve is there to unravel the story. Steve,
how are you?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, you know it's I'll tell you something. We can
talk about how upset we get in southern California when
you know things don't seem to be happening fast enough.
But I'll tell you our response for fire in southern
California is probably one of the best the world when
you think about the totality of resources, infrastructure, coordination, logistics,
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and none of that really took place here on the
island of Maui. And all of the locals I've been
speaking with since my arrival yesterday, the one common theme
is they're all pretty pissed off. And they're all pretty
pissed off because they feel like someone failed to flip
the switch to warn everybody. Now, there's been a lot
made about the fact that there was no cell service
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and that they couldn't warn anybody because there was no power,
no cell service. But as I talked to more and
more people, they're like, well, the system always works when
there's gale force wins for hurricanes and tsunamis, but this
time it didn't work. What's different this time around, and
what they're saying now is that that people were not
prepared for wildfire conditions. Officials were not ready to pull
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the trigger and send out those warnings, and that included
the sirens that are abundantly obvious here on the island.
They're all over the place, so civil defense sirens, and
no one flipped the switch to warn anybody. And lawsuits
are already being filed to blame Hawaii Power Company, which
basically runs ninety five percent of the entire state's power supply.
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And then I'm just recently hearing very disturbing stories about
water pressure that when firefighters went to connect to the
fire plugs their hoses, there was very little to no
water pressure and a lot of the hydrants and they
were unable to use them, and so they had to
just say, we can't even do anything with the fire
We're just going to help evacuate people best we can.
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And then as the fire was tearing through and then
pulling down the power lines and you know, destroying substances,
then water pumps from around the area were also impacted,
so they could not get any water in quick enough
to even put a dent in the flame. So there's
a lot of pissed off people on this on this island.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
The local authorities thought that the fire was put out
that morning, and then by mid afternoon it re emerged.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
There are two fires. There was one fire in what
they call upcountry, and that is further up in the hills,
in the foothills of one of the volcanoes, and that
was where the first fire started. And I went up
to the point of origin yesterday and I looked at
how it got sucked down there through a vacuum in
a gulch, a very very messive gulch that goes down
and there are houses on both sides of that gulch.
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And the point of origin looks like a downpower line
to me, and it looks like it sparked it and
pulled it down. There are still fire crews putting out
hotspots up there and small flames using helicopters and Bambi
buckets in Lahina, the fire had started and they said
it as you mentioned, they thought it was under control
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at that point, but people were not paying attention to
spot fires. They weren't paying attention to the blowing embers.
And you all know, everyone listening knows that those embers
are some of the most deadliest causes of spot fires,
which grow into larger fires. That's something they did not
even see coming. They had small fires. Yeah, the fire
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in front of me looks out, but they're not looks
completely distinguished or extinguished. But they don't account for the
fires that are just about a half a mile down
the road that are starting to smolder. And then by
the time it exploded into this conflagration in just this
massive wall of flame, there was nothing they could do.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Do They think down power line started the Lahana fire.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
That is the prevailing theory at this point. Now here's
the thing. Because of these pending lawsuits that have already
been filed. I'm told they were filed as soon as
this morning. I don't think we're going to get many
answers because they're all going to say because of pending litigation.
We can't really answer that question. I'm expecting that we're
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hoping to get more answers from FEMA and from the
Lieutenant governor, who's having a press conference in the next hour.
But this just looks like there's no other cause. There
was no lightning on the island, and to have two fires,
actually there were four fires in total. There were two
smaller fires that were quickly extinguished, but the two larger fires,
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the fire which is in the upcountry and the Lahina
fire down there, the deadly one that's I mean, those
are the fires that they suspect were caused by down
power lines. And you've seen a lot of video. I
think that you see those power lines just being whipped around,
and the big, massive power lines I saw up in
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the hills yesterday looked pretty obvious to me. But we'll
see what the officials say.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
And a lot of people died in their cars trying
to see.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Well, this is another point of contention with the locals here.
When they realized they needed to get out. I'm told
now by a number of locals that the police department
was shutting down egress points of egress so that they
could control it. In one road out Seriously, Yeah, and
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that is what they're saying that. I mean, these are
I mean, I think six people have spoken with of
all had that same story.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
They shut down exit roads so.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
They could control the flow of traffic outbound.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I've never heard of that.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I mean, I had the question when I heard everyone say,
you know, the cops were shutting down egress points because
they needed to control the flow of traffic, and at
one point it just got too much and everyone got
over run. It doesn't seem like the local government and
the local emergency officials had the slightest idea what they
were doing. No, this is very unprecedented. They have many
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red flag warnings over here, but they've never had wildfires
of this magnitude. I guess they had decades ago they
had a wildfire, but I mean, they've never had anything
at this level, and so they were just they were
ill prepared for the response. Now, when I'm hearing about
fire hydrants without water pressure, when I'm hearing about no
coordinated effort, no evacuation plan. And here's the thing, John,
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in southern California, we are repeatedly beaten down with the
message of having an evacuation plan. Have a go kit,
have all your medicines and everything ready to go, have
a place for your pets, have a plan, have a plan,
have a plan. You know what. I don't even remember
what the phrase is to be ready, be ready goes
ready set go, the ready set Go program. They don't
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have that here. They don't worry about wildfires here. They
worry about high winds. And that's it. So there's no
there's really no constant communication here about what to do
in the event of a wildfire. So people were completely
lost when it happened. And then you know as well
as I do, that that wildfire when you have the
right conditions, dry fuels, high winds, I mean, it's just
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pure oxygen, and that the fire was just driving itself
and it was just plowing down thing in its path.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
This number being thrown around that federal officials say nearly
one thousand people are missing. Now, did they think there's
another thousand dead bodies or these are people who got
out and they haven't been able to contact.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
It's a combination of both. I mean, there are probably
people at the bottom of the ocean. There are probably
people that were floating around out the water that may
still be floating out in the water that were taken
out by the tide. There are people that are still
crouched down in homes, hidden in closets because they didn't
know what to do. I'm told that a great many
of the missing and presumed dead will be children and
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elderly because the schools were closed that day, and a
lot of parents left their kids at home because they
worked two and three jobs to make ends meet, So
they leave their children at home and so. But the
parents couldn't get back in because the roads were closed
or the roads were clogged when the fire started. They
couldn't get back in to retrieve their children.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Shocking stuff. Steve, thanks very much, you got a power
great report, Steve Gregory honest scene in Mary Maui for
the file for the fire. We're going to talk more
about what Steve went through and some other details coming
up next and again two o'clock, Blake Trolley will be
here to talk about the Canoga Park Nordstrom attack by
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that mob of thieves. And Rick Caruso ran for mayor
and his Americana shopping center in Glendale got ransacked by
another mob at Youve, Saint Laurent. It's like civilization is
crumbling right in front of us. John and Ken show,
Ken's Away Today.
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Speaker 1 (10:39):
We just had Steve Gregory on, who was reporting live
from Maui the big fire in Lahana, and I has
about half a dozen shocking things regarding this story. I mean,
you've probably seen all the video of the devastation that's
gone on, but the real weird part of this is
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that the entire government seemed to have broken down, and
nobody in government was capable of doing the right thing
at all at any point while the fire was killing
so many people and destroying so many homes. Starts with, well,
it starts off for us with the power companies. Now,
the power companies here in California have caused more death
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and more destruction than any single entity in this state.
And it took a lot of death and destruction before
they finally agreed that in a high wind situation, we're
going to shut down the power so that when the
power lines fall they won't start a fire, which seems basic,
but it took a lot of deaths before they did it.
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They didn't do that in Hawaii, does the news not
make it to Hawaii. I mean, we've gone through dozens
of these situations. So while I understand maybe in Lahna
they didn't have a situation like this in recent memory,
the fire experts, the government experts, don't they go on
junkets constantly to learn from other cities and other states experiences.
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I mean, how much money do they spend flying around
the world, you know, to go on a fact finding mission.
They never found any facts about what to do when
the winds are going to blow eighty miles an hour.
Because they were blowing eighty miles an hour and they
had a similar effect to our San Ana wins. The
winds were getting funneled, they were hot, they were dry,
there was a combination of high pressure and low pressure.
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There was a hurricane out to sea, and they were
getting eighty mile an hour winds and the grasses were
really dry. So that seems to be the moment where, hey,
you know what they do in California now, after they
killed hundreds of people, they turn off the power at
the electric companies didn't do that. They didn't have a
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water system capable of putting out a fire. All the
hydrants were on very low water pressure. How does that happen?
How does that exist? So they got a huge power issue,
they got a huge water issue. And then even with that,
maybe the whole of the homes are going to burn, burn,
But at least people's lives could be saved if you
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just flip on the fire alarm the siren so that
everybody knows to clear out of Lahena and the surrounding areas.
Just turn on the siren. Why do you have sirens?
Who is the guy who didn't do that? Who is
the guy who didn't think of doing that? Who are
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these people? What is it with people in government? What
is it with them? Hit the siren? How hard is it?
And then the police blocking off exit roads because they
wanted to control the flow. Control the flow. First of all,
the flow is controlled. There were so many people trying
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to leave at once that the roads were congested and
people were trapped in their cars. Then they burned to
death in their cars. So why would you add to
that by closing other roads. I mean, Steve is going
step by step through through the whole story, and I'm
thinking they did nothing right, They did absolutely nothing. Boh.
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Maybe they had good intentions though, right as any apologist
used a good intention line. Yet I'm talking about completely
failing your population. They're paid to do this. This is
their job. You work in emergency management, you work in fire,
you work in police. Your job is to mitigate these
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disasters because you can't control the weather. Maybe somebody woke
up at the electric company. You might have prevented this fire.
But once the fire started. I don't understand what do
they do with all their meetings. These people work, you know,
fifty two weeks a year. They have constant to meetings
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and and seminars and to produce powerpoints, and they official
reports and training sessions and rehearsals and staging. And this
what did they do was all that rehearsal and knowledge eyes.
I mean they have volcanoes there, they have hurricanes, they
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have tsunamis. I just am just stunned. This was according
to one professor of fire science, Crystal cold and it
you Siemer said said, this looks like a no notice
evacuation which occurred here in California not that long ago,
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the campfire that burned Paradise down, remember Paradise. Same thing
they didn't They didn't have enough exit routes out of
the town. A lot of it is the way these
towns are designed. They're there, These towns are created inside
inside nature, and they never built to exit roads in
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case there was a massive fire, and then they don't turn,
you know, off the electric lines. The Wine count the
Wine Country fires in twenty seventeen had a similar situation.
The also if you this is from the La Times, right,
of course it is, as I was reading through one
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of the La Times accounts. Eventually they blamed it on Europeans. Yeah,
that's right. Apparently many years ago Europeans brought non native
grasses into Hawaii. So eventually it's interesting, they're not they're
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not going to blame the electric companies. Oh, of course,
climate change, right, climate change and European settlers, that's what
caused this. No, it wasn't climate change in European settlers.
And by the way, those grasses had been there for
a very long time, so you could have gotten rid
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of them by now. What happened is you had an
unusual weather event and nobody responded to it properly. All
the taxpayer paid government staff that's there to help made
everything worse. They did not have a backup plan for
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what to do when strong winds knock out the electricity
systems and communication systems. Yeah, that was the excuse that
the Hawaiian Emergency Management gave. It's like, well, yeah, we
didn't turn on the sirens, but we did send out
warnings via cell phone, except the cell phones weren't working.
There was no service, the cell phone towers were damaged.
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The electricity was cut after the fires burned through, so
nobody was going to get the warning. If there's no
plausible way to get an electronic message through, then you
have to make a really loud noise and the public
should know what that really loud noise means. You know.
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That's why maybe have a rehearsal once a year. It's like,
on Tuesday at five o'clock, we're going to set off
the sirens, and that's a dress rehearsal in case there
was a bad fires. It's not that hard. I think
I think an eight year old could have figured this out.
More coming up John and Ken's show on kf I.
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Coming up after two o'clock, We're going to spend quite
some time on the two Big mob robberies that went
on in Los Angeles area over the last few days.
You's son Lass store at the Americana last Tuesday there
was a mob robbery and they ran off with armfuls
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of designer handbags. It is not true that Deborah Mark
was seen as part of the bomb. That's see. I
was almost there. You're denying that. No, I'm denying it.
I was. I was planning on going to the mall
last minute. I changed my mind. You were going to
go to the one in Penga. That's my drum. Yeah,
well they really did a number in your Nordstrum Saturday.
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They might have stolen up to one hundred thousand dollars
worth of expensive stuff. So it's two flash mob robberies
in a week. And we're going to talk to Rick Caruso,
who ran for Bere to try to help fix this.
And he's going to be on at two thirty. And
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it was the East Solauran store at his shopping mall
in Glendale that was robbed. Also next hour, The New
York Post just posted an exclusive. The headline is Liberals
turned back on woke LA prosecutor George Gascone as smash
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and grab robbery sore, and I'll tell you about that
because that just came out about twenty minutes ago. So
we're gonna have Blake trolleyon to tell us about the
north Strom situation, Rick Caruso to talk about his mall
getting robbed, and then we'll tell you about how all
the left wing nuts that brought gascon into power are
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tired of being terrorized, among other stupid things that the
government is doing. It of course, has tried to force
is actually literally not trying to literally forcing people into
electric cars here in California over the next what eleven
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plus years. You're not gonna be able to buy a
gas powered car by twenty thirty. And we've talked about
this many times, how there's there's no charging infrastructure that
could handle tens of millions of electric cars being purchased,
and occasionally somebody, somebody's story on what it's really like
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out there makes the news. This came through Yahoo and
I think Fox News. It's about a Canadian man. He's
calling electric vehicles the biggest scam of modern times. His
name is Dalbar Baya. He lives in the Winnipeg area.
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Now he dropped eighty five thousand dollars on a Ford
F one fifty lightning EV So that's an electric pickup
truck eighty five thousand dollars. And he told Fox Business
that he wanted the pick up for work, but he
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wanted something for recreation to drive to his cabin or
go fishing, and he wanted to be a responsible citizen
and have it environmentally friendly vehicle. Well, here's what the
reality is like. He buys this pickup truck, but he's
forced to install two chargers, one at work and one
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at home for ten thousand dollars. Then to accommodate the charger,
he had to upgrade his home's electric panel for six
thousand dollars. And then after that, he got into a
minor accident light repair on the front bumper, took the
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vehicle to the body shop and I don't know what
this problem was, but he didn't get it back for
six months. He kept calling an emailing Ford and they
were of no help. Nobody rants of the phone, nobody
replied to his email. So he gets the truck repaired
and now our friend dal Bear takes his family on
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a fourteen hundred mile road trip from Winnipeg to Chicago
fast charging stations cost more than gas for the same mileage,
and the fast charging stations still only charge the EV's
up to ninety percent, so ten percent of the charge
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never materializes the family. First stop was in Fargo, North Dakota,
and get this, took two hours and fifty six dollars
to charge his vehicle from ten percent to ninety percent.
Imagine that now you stop for gas, it's about five
to seven minutes you stop to charge at ev it's
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it's this fast charging two hours and only got was
two hundred and fifteen miles out of it. Second stop
was in Albertville, Minnesota. The charger was free, but it
was broken. He calls the phone number on the charging station,
no help. They drove to another charging station in Elk River, Minnesota.
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The charger there was broken as well. The sheer helplessness
was mind boggling. He's got a vehicle that he cannot
power because there is not a working charging station along
his route. There's two broken ones, he says. My kids
and wife are really worried, really stressed out. It was
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late afternoon. We were really stuck, hungry and heartbroken. He
had to have his electric vehicle towed to a ford
dealership at Elk River, and then he rented a regular
gas powered vehicle to complete the trip to Chicago, and
on the way back they picked up the Ford F
one to fifty. He goes, it was in the shop
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for six months. I can't take it to my late cabin.
I can't take it for off grid camping. I can't
take it even for a road trip. I can only
drive in the city. It's the biggest scam of modern times.
And he says that the companies and the government are
lying about the electricity range, the range of the electric vehicle.
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He goes, the actual thing they promised is not even close,
not even fifty percent. And once you buy it, you're
stuck with it, and you have to carry huge losses
to get rid of it, and there's nobody there to
help you. Ford told Fox that driving rangers can be
impacted by weather and geography and acknowledge some of the
challenges facing the industry. Some of the challenges facing the industry.
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The challenge is you run out of energy and you
can't go anywhere. This poor guy and his family were
down to twelve miles. Twelve miles, what are you supposed
to do? He had to get it towed, and I
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don't understand. And you know this, this is Newsome's doing
here in California. There's not a charging network that can
sustain all the electric cars. And we've been talking about
this now for a couple of years and nothing changes.
And we got oh, we got more coming up because
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they had a complete meltdown of the self driving car
in San Francisco. Apparently there was some disruption in the
system in the system and quite a few self driving
cars all stopped at the same time and tied up
traffic all over the place on Friday night in San Francisco.
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This is the company called Cruise. They have driverless vehicles.
Taxis supposed to call you want to get a ride,
they come and send you a driverless car. Well, they
all went dead at the same time. Tell you more
of it coming up. Johnny Can Show Canfi.
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night and after two o'clock Blake trolley on the smash
and grab flash mob that attacked the Nordstroms in Kenoda Park.
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And after two thirty we're gonna have Rick Caruso former
mayoral candidates, not enough of you voted for, and his
shopping center of the Americana and Glendale was busted into
by thieves that ransacked the East Sant Laurent store last
week as well, So we'll get into that now. You know,
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the government in San Francisco is trying to push these
electric vehicles and they have given a company called Cruise
the right to have these driverlests. They call them robo taxis,
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and they go around San Francisco picking people up, giving
them rides and there's no drivers. It's fully automated. But
there was a problem. Over the weekend there was a
big music festival in Golden Gate Park called Outside Lands.
And have you ever gone to a concert or a
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sporting event and your cell phone doesn't work because everybody's
on their cell phone at the same time. Everybody's taking
photos and sending photos to their friends, and it overloads
the system. If you go to Dodger Stadium, the hardest
thing to do is to send a message to somebody
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was at a concert Saturday night and I had that
same problem. Yeah, because you'll have fifty or seventy thousand
people all doing because nobody actually watches a game where
a concert anymore. They just videotape it and then send
it to their friends. No, no, no, one's just sitting
there and enjoying them. So you have this overload of
the cell phone system, and Crews, which is owned by
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General Motors, all their cars in that region suddenly stopped
working and it created a traffic jam. Ten robotaxis alone
on Grant Avenue in North Beach. It's not just their
cars broke down. Their cars broke down and backed up
everyone else on the block. There was ten of them
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on one particular stretch, and the crew's administrator said, well,
it was wireless connectivity issues because of an overload of
cell phone usage at the concert. But they never thought
of this before, It never happened before. It appears to
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be an inherent flaw in driverless car technology, which means
that if there's an emergency and cell service goes down,
the driverless cars will stop in place and the police
and fire personnel won't be able to get around the city. Now,
imagine you have a crazy fire in San Francisco and
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the cell phone service goes down and then everyone's trapped.
Nobody can leave. I'm in in Lahina, the cell phone
system was down so people couldn't get the emergency messages.
According to US, this guy's name is Peskin. He's some administrator.
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Let me see, oh, supervisor, Aaron Peskin. He says it's
a scary revelation that if the cell phone coverage goes out,
they can't communicate with their cars. At the same time,
the city would try would be trying to maintain order.
So if there's some natural disaster in San Francisco, like
let's say an earthquake, right and you know we've seen
what happens during earthquakes at San Francisco, and everybody wants
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to flee, you can't because this stupid cruise robotaxi is
stuck in front of you. And even if you get
by the first one, there might be ten more on
that street. In fact, Peskin said, if you have an earthquake,
they'll be sitting like bricks on your street and there's
no way to community kate with them. At the precise
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moment you need them, so you could call for this
robotaxi to take you out of the out of the
danger zone. But that thing's not coming. And of course
executives at Cruise did not respond for a comment. The
mayor did not respond to a comment. Who else didn't comment.
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The California Public Utilities Commission, they had just voted on
Thursday to lift all the restrictions for Cruise and for
another company Weimo. They were allowed full commercialization in the city,
even though city officials were protesting. They did this on
Thursday and Friday night. The robotaxis all seize up. So clearly,
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like the electric car story that we told you about
a few minutes ago, that poor guy trying to take
his family from Winnipeg to Chicago, this technology isn't there yet.
There's no there's no charging stations in some places, it
takes too long, the range isn't very much. And now
if you are within a certain distance of a large
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crowded event like a concert or a stadium, the electric
electric robotaxis here are gonna stop dead. So you know,
I understand things take time and decades and it's a
long trial and error process, but I don't understand the
obsessive push when it's not ready. Clearly, all this stuff
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is not ready. The next ten years are gonna be
a lot of fun, all right. Coming up after two o'clock,
Blake Trolley's going to be on and he's going to
have all the details of the latest smash and grab
flash mob that went through the Nordstroms into pang A Mall.
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If you've seen the video, it is pretty scary. All
these goons dressed in black clothing and hoodies and causing
a lot of destruction, stealing maybe up to one hundred
thousand dollars. Oh, and then they spray. They had bear
spray on them. One guy got hit with bear spray.
This is becoming the most uncivilized place in the country.
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I don't see these stories coming out of other cities
the way they come out of here. There's no law anymore.
We're gonna have Rick Crusoe on at two thirty to
talk about it because his shopping center in Glendale got
hit too. Last week. Deborah Mark Live in the twenty
four hour Cafie Newsroom. Hey, you've been listening to the
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and Ken Show on demand on the iHeartRadio app. Ken
is off today, Deborah Marcus here. Steve Gregory is in Hawaii.
Going to get to him in just a few seconds.
But we've got a lot coming up in the two
o'clock hour. You may have heard over the last few
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days there's been two mobs that have ransacked two shopping malls.
The Eaves Saint Laurent Sora at the Americana in Glendale
that's owned by Rick Caruso, and then the nord Strums
in Canoga Park the Topanga Ball That huge group thirty
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to fifty and grabbed perhaps one hundred thousand dollars worth
of merchandise. I'm sure you've seen the videos of that.
Blake Turley's going to come on at two o'clock to
talk about the Nordstroms getting invaded, and then Rick Caruso
will be on at two thirty because he's certain angry.
You may remember Carusoe ran from mayor. We had a
(01:04):
choice to turn away from all this insanity, and people
picked Karen Bass instead. At least a majority did all that.
Coming up to the two o'clock hour. But first, Steve
Gregory is in Maui covering the huge fire. The death
toll is at last report was ninety six. It's going
up all the time. In fact, the governor said ten
(01:26):
to twenty deaths will probably be confirmed each day as
they continue the investigation. And a lot of people upset.
A lot of people got very little warning that the
fires were coming, and Steve is there to unravel the story. Steve,
how are you?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, you know it's I'll tell you something. We can
talk about how upset we get in southern California when
you know things don't seem to be happening fast enough.
But I'll tell you our response for fire in southern
California is probably one of the best the world when
you think about the totality of resources, infrastructure, coordination, logistics,
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and none of that really took place here on the
island of Maui. And all of the locals I've been
speaking with since my arrival yesterday, the one common theme
is they're all pretty pissed off. And they're all pretty
pissed off because they feel like someone failed to flip
the switch to warn everybody. Now, there's been a lot
made about the fact that there was no cell service
(02:29):
and that they couldn't warn anybody because there was no power,
no cell service. But as I talked to more and
more people, they're like, well, the system always works when
there's gale force wins for hurricanes and tsunamis, but this
time it didn't work. What's different this time around, and
what they're saying now is that that people were not
prepared for wildfire conditions. Officials were not ready to pull
(02:53):
the trigger and send out those warnings, and that included
the sirens that are abundantly obvious here on the island.
They're all over the place, so civil defense sirens, and
no one flipped the switch to warn anybody. And lawsuits
are already being filed to blame Hawaii Power Company, which
basically runs ninety five percent of the entire state's power supply.
(03:16):
And then I'm just recently hearing very disturbing stories about
water pressure that when firefighters went to connect to the
fire plugs their hoses, there was very little to no
water pressure and a lot of the hydrants and they
were unable to use them, and so they had to
just say, we can't even do anything with the fire
We're just going to help evacuate people best we can.
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And then as the fire was tearing through and then
pulling down the power lines and you know, destroying substances,
then water pumps from around the area were also impacted,
so they could not get any water in quick enough
to even put a dent in the flame. So there's
a lot of pissed off people on this on this island.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
The local authorities thought that the fire was put out
that morning, and then by mid afternoon it re emerged.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
There are two fires. There was one fire in what
they call upcountry, and that is further up in the hills,
in the foothills of one of the volcanoes, and that
was where the first fire started. And I went up
to the point of origin yesterday and I looked at
how it got sucked down there through a vacuum in
a gulch, a very very messive gulch that goes down
and there are houses on both sides of that gulch.
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And the point of origin looks like a downpower line
to me, and it looks like it sparked it and
pulled it down. There are still fire crews putting out
hotspots up there and small flames using helicopters and Bambi
buckets in Lahina, the fire had started and they said
it as you mentioned, they thought it was under control
(04:54):
at that point, but people were not paying attention to
spot fires. They weren't paying attention to the blowing embers.
And you all know, everyone listening knows that those embers
are some of the most deadliest causes of spot fires,
which grow into larger fires. That's something they did not
even see coming. They had small fires. Yeah, the fire
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in front of me looks out, but they're not looks
completely distinguished or extinguished. But they don't account for the
fires that are just about a half a mile down
the road that are starting to smolder. And then by
the time it exploded into this conflagration in just this
massive wall of flame, there was nothing they could do.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Do They think down power line started the Lahana fire.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
That is the prevailing theory at this point. Now here's
the thing. Because of these pending lawsuits that have already
been filed. I'm told they were filed as soon as
this morning. I don't think we're going to get many
answers because they're all going to say because of pending litigation.
We can't really answer that question. I'm expecting that we're
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hoping to get more answers from FEMA and from the
Lieutenant governor, who's having a press conference in the next hour.
But this just looks like there's no other cause. There
was no lightning on the island, and to have two fires,
actually there were four fires in total. There were two
smaller fires that were quickly extinguished, but the two larger fires,
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the fire which is in the upcountry and the Lahina
fire down there, the deadly one that's I mean, those
are the fires that they suspect were caused by down
power lines. And you've seen a lot of video. I
think that you see those power lines just being whipped around,
and the big, massive power lines I saw up in
(06:40):
the hills yesterday looked pretty obvious to me. But we'll
see what the officials say.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
And a lot of people died in their cars trying
to see.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Well, this is another point of contention with the locals here.
When they realized they needed to get out. I'm told
now by a number of locals that the police department
was shutting down egress points of egress so that they
could control it. In one road out Seriously, Yeah, and
(07:13):
that is what they're saying that. I mean, these are
I mean, I think six people have spoken with of
all had that same story.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
They shut down exit roads so.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
They could control the flow of traffic outbound.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
I've never heard of that.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I mean, I had the question when I heard everyone say,
you know, the cops were shutting down egress points because
they needed to control the flow of traffic, and at
one point it just got too much and everyone got
over run. It doesn't seem like the local government and
the local emergency officials had the slightest idea what they
were doing. No, this is very unprecedented. They have many
(07:50):
red flag warnings over here, but they've never had wildfires
of this magnitude. I guess they had decades ago they
had a wildfire, but I mean, they've never had anything
at this level, and so they were just they were
ill prepared for the response. Now, when I'm hearing about
fire hydrants without water pressure, when I'm hearing about no
coordinated effort, no evacuation plan. And here's the thing, John,
(08:13):
in southern California, we are repeatedly beaten down with the
message of having an evacuation plan. Have a go kit,
have all your medicines and everything ready to go, have
a place for your pets, have a plan, have a plan,
have a plan. You know what. I don't even remember
what the phrase is to be ready, be ready goes
ready set go, the ready set Go program. They don't
(08:34):
have that here. They don't worry about wildfires here. They
worry about high winds. And that's it. So there's no
there's really no constant communication here about what to do
in the event of a wildfire. So people were completely
lost when it happened. And then you know as well
as I do, that that wildfire when you have the
right conditions, dry fuels, high winds, I mean, it's just
(08:55):
pure oxygen, and that the fire was just driving itself
and it was just plowing down thing in its path.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
This number being thrown around that federal officials say nearly
one thousand people are missing. Now, did they think there's
another thousand dead bodies or these are people who got
out and they haven't been able to contact.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
It's a combination of both. I mean, there are probably
people at the bottom of the ocean. There are probably
people that were floating around out the water that may
still be floating out in the water that were taken
out by the tide. There are people that are still
crouched down in homes, hidden in closets because they didn't
know what to do. I'm told that a great many
of the missing and presumed dead will be children and
(09:33):
elderly because the schools were closed that day, and a
lot of parents left their kids at home because they
worked two and three jobs to make ends meet, So
they leave their children at home and so. But the
parents couldn't get back in because the roads were closed
or the roads were clogged when the fire started. They
couldn't get back in to retrieve their children.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Shocking stuff. Steve, thanks very much, you got a power
great report, Steve Gregory honest scene in Mary Maui for
the file for the fire. We're going to talk more
about what Steve went through and some other details coming
up next and again two o'clock, Blake Trolley will be
here to talk about the Canoga Park Nordstrom attack by
(10:14):
that mob of thieves. And Rick Caruso ran for mayor
and his Americana shopping center in Glendale got ransacked by
another mob at Youve, Saint Laurent. It's like civilization is
crumbling right in front of us. John and Ken show,
Ken's Away Today.
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Speaker 1 (10:39):
We just had Steve Gregory on, who was reporting live
from Maui the big fire in Lahana, and I has
about half a dozen shocking things regarding this story. I mean,
you've probably seen all the video of the devastation that's
gone on, but the real weird part of this is
(11:01):
that the entire government seemed to have broken down, and
nobody in government was capable of doing the right thing
at all at any point while the fire was killing
so many people and destroying so many homes. Starts with, well,
it starts off for us with the power companies. Now,
the power companies here in California have caused more death
(11:25):
and more destruction than any single entity in this state.
And it took a lot of death and destruction before
they finally agreed that in a high wind situation, we're
going to shut down the power so that when the
power lines fall they won't start a fire, which seems basic,
but it took a lot of deaths before they did it.
(11:45):
They didn't do that in Hawaii, does the news not
make it to Hawaii. I mean, we've gone through dozens
of these situations. So while I understand maybe in Lahna
they didn't have a situation like this in recent memory,
the fire experts, the government experts, don't they go on
junkets constantly to learn from other cities and other states experiences.
(12:07):
I mean, how much money do they spend flying around
the world, you know, to go on a fact finding mission.
They never found any facts about what to do when
the winds are going to blow eighty miles an hour.
Because they were blowing eighty miles an hour and they
had a similar effect to our San Ana wins. The
winds were getting funneled, they were hot, they were dry,
there was a combination of high pressure and low pressure.
(12:29):
There was a hurricane out to sea, and they were
getting eighty mile an hour winds and the grasses were
really dry. So that seems to be the moment where, hey,
you know what they do in California now, after they
killed hundreds of people, they turn off the power at
the electric companies didn't do that. They didn't have a
(12:51):
water system capable of putting out a fire. All the
hydrants were on very low water pressure. How does that happen?
How does that exist? So they got a huge power issue,
they got a huge water issue. And then even with that,
maybe the whole of the homes are going to burn, burn,
But at least people's lives could be saved if you
(13:14):
just flip on the fire alarm the siren so that
everybody knows to clear out of Lahena and the surrounding areas.
Just turn on the siren. Why do you have sirens?
Who is the guy who didn't do that? Who is
the guy who didn't think of doing that? Who are
(13:36):
these people? What is it with people in government? What
is it with them? Hit the siren? How hard is it?
And then the police blocking off exit roads because they
wanted to control the flow. Control the flow. First of all,
the flow is controlled. There were so many people trying
(13:56):
to leave at once that the roads were congested and
people were trapped in their cars. Then they burned to
death in their cars. So why would you add to
that by closing other roads. I mean, Steve is going
step by step through through the whole story, and I'm
thinking they did nothing right, They did absolutely nothing. Boh.
(14:17):
Maybe they had good intentions though, right as any apologist
used a good intention line. Yet I'm talking about completely
failing your population. They're paid to do this. This is
their job. You work in emergency management, you work in fire,
you work in police. Your job is to mitigate these
(14:40):
disasters because you can't control the weather. Maybe somebody woke
up at the electric company. You might have prevented this fire.
But once the fire started. I don't understand what do
they do with all their meetings. These people work, you know,
fifty two weeks a year. They have constant to meetings
(15:01):
and and seminars and to produce powerpoints, and they official
reports and training sessions and rehearsals and staging. And this
what did they do was all that rehearsal and knowledge eyes.
I mean they have volcanoes there, they have hurricanes, they
(15:22):
have tsunamis. I just am just stunned. This was according
to one professor of fire science, Crystal cold and it
you Siemer said said, this looks like a no notice
evacuation which occurred here in California not that long ago,
(15:43):
the campfire that burned Paradise down, remember Paradise. Same thing
they didn't They didn't have enough exit routes out of
the town. A lot of it is the way these
towns are designed. They're there, These towns are created inside
inside nature, and they never built to exit roads in
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case there was a massive fire, and then they don't turn,
you know, off the electric lines. The Wine count the
Wine Country fires in twenty seventeen had a similar situation.
The also if you this is from the La Times, right,
of course it is, as I was reading through one
(16:24):
of the La Times accounts. Eventually they blamed it on Europeans. Yeah,
that's right. Apparently many years ago Europeans brought non native
grasses into Hawaii. So eventually it's interesting, they're not they're
(16:49):
not going to blame the electric companies. Oh, of course,
climate change, right, climate change and European settlers, that's what
caused this. No, it wasn't climate change in European settlers.
And by the way, those grasses had been there for
a very long time, so you could have gotten rid
(17:09):
of them by now. What happened is you had an
unusual weather event and nobody responded to it properly. All
the taxpayer paid government staff that's there to help made
everything worse. They did not have a backup plan for
(17:34):
what to do when strong winds knock out the electricity
systems and communication systems. Yeah, that was the excuse that
the Hawaiian Emergency Management gave. It's like, well, yeah, we
didn't turn on the sirens, but we did send out
warnings via cell phone, except the cell phones weren't working.
There was no service, the cell phone towers were damaged.
(18:00):
The electricity was cut after the fires burned through, so
nobody was going to get the warning. If there's no
plausible way to get an electronic message through, then you
have to make a really loud noise and the public
should know what that really loud noise means. You know.
(18:20):
That's why maybe have a rehearsal once a year. It's like,
on Tuesday at five o'clock, we're going to set off
the sirens, and that's a dress rehearsal in case there
was a bad fires. It's not that hard. I think
I think an eight year old could have figured this out.
More coming up John and Ken's show on kf I.
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Coming up after two o'clock, We're going to spend quite
some time on the two Big mob robberies that went
on in Los Angeles area over the last few days.
You's son Lass store at the Americana last Tuesday there
was a mob robbery and they ran off with armfuls
(19:07):
of designer handbags. It is not true that Deborah Mark
was seen as part of the bomb. That's see. I
was almost there. You're denying that. No, I'm denying it.
I was. I was planning on going to the mall
last minute. I changed my mind. You were going to
go to the one in Penga. That's my drum. Yeah,
well they really did a number in your Nordstrum Saturday.
(19:29):
They might have stolen up to one hundred thousand dollars
worth of expensive stuff. So it's two flash mob robberies
in a week. And we're going to talk to Rick Caruso,
who ran for Bere to try to help fix this.
And he's going to be on at two thirty. And
(19:50):
it was the East Solauran store at his shopping mall
in Glendale that was robbed. Also next hour, The New
York Post just posted an exclusive. The headline is Liberals
turned back on woke LA prosecutor George Gascone as smash
(20:11):
and grab robbery sore, and I'll tell you about that
because that just came out about twenty minutes ago. So
we're gonna have Blake trolleyon to tell us about the
north Strom situation, Rick Caruso to talk about his mall
getting robbed, and then we'll tell you about how all
the left wing nuts that brought gascon into power are
(20:33):
tired of being terrorized, among other stupid things that the
government is doing. It of course, has tried to force
is actually literally not trying to literally forcing people into
electric cars here in California over the next what eleven
(20:54):
plus years. You're not gonna be able to buy a
gas powered car by twenty thirty. And we've talked about
this many times, how there's there's no charging infrastructure that
could handle tens of millions of electric cars being purchased,
and occasionally somebody, somebody's story on what it's really like
(21:17):
out there makes the news. This came through Yahoo and
I think Fox News. It's about a Canadian man. He's
calling electric vehicles the biggest scam of modern times. His
name is Dalbar Baya. He lives in the Winnipeg area.
(21:41):
Now he dropped eighty five thousand dollars on a Ford
F one fifty lightning EV So that's an electric pickup
truck eighty five thousand dollars. And he told Fox Business
that he wanted the pick up for work, but he
(22:02):
wanted something for recreation to drive to his cabin or
go fishing, and he wanted to be a responsible citizen
and have it environmentally friendly vehicle. Well, here's what the
reality is like. He buys this pickup truck, but he's
forced to install two chargers, one at work and one
(22:27):
at home for ten thousand dollars. Then to accommodate the charger,
he had to upgrade his home's electric panel for six
thousand dollars. And then after that, he got into a
minor accident light repair on the front bumper, took the
(22:50):
vehicle to the body shop and I don't know what
this problem was, but he didn't get it back for
six months. He kept calling an emailing Ford and they
were of no help. Nobody rants of the phone, nobody
replied to his email. So he gets the truck repaired
and now our friend dal Bear takes his family on
(23:13):
a fourteen hundred mile road trip from Winnipeg to Chicago
fast charging stations cost more than gas for the same mileage,
and the fast charging stations still only charge the EV's
up to ninety percent, so ten percent of the charge
(23:34):
never materializes the family. First stop was in Fargo, North Dakota,
and get this, took two hours and fifty six dollars
to charge his vehicle from ten percent to ninety percent.
Imagine that now you stop for gas, it's about five
to seven minutes you stop to charge at ev it's
(23:59):
it's this fast charging two hours and only got was
two hundred and fifteen miles out of it. Second stop
was in Albertville, Minnesota. The charger was free, but it
was broken. He calls the phone number on the charging station,
no help. They drove to another charging station in Elk River, Minnesota.
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The charger there was broken as well. The sheer helplessness
was mind boggling. He's got a vehicle that he cannot
power because there is not a working charging station along
his route. There's two broken ones, he says. My kids
and wife are really worried, really stressed out. It was
(24:45):
late afternoon. We were really stuck, hungry and heartbroken. He
had to have his electric vehicle towed to a ford
dealership at Elk River, and then he rented a regular
gas powered vehicle to complete the trip to Chicago, and
on the way back they picked up the Ford F
one to fifty. He goes, it was in the shop
(25:08):
for six months. I can't take it to my late cabin.
I can't take it for off grid camping. I can't
take it even for a road trip. I can only
drive in the city. It's the biggest scam of modern times.
And he says that the companies and the government are
lying about the electricity range, the range of the electric vehicle.
(25:31):
He goes, the actual thing they promised is not even close,
not even fifty percent. And once you buy it, you're
stuck with it, and you have to carry huge losses
to get rid of it, and there's nobody there to
help you. Ford told Fox that driving rangers can be
impacted by weather and geography and acknowledge some of the
challenges facing the industry. Some of the challenges facing the industry.
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The challenge is you run out of energy and you
can't go anywhere. This poor guy and his family were
down to twelve miles. Twelve miles, what are you supposed
to do? He had to get it towed, and I
(26:16):
don't understand. And you know this, this is Newsome's doing
here in California. There's not a charging network that can
sustain all the electric cars. And we've been talking about
this now for a couple of years and nothing changes.
And we got oh, we got more coming up because
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they had a complete meltdown of the self driving car
in San Francisco. Apparently there was some disruption in the
system in the system and quite a few self driving
cars all stopped at the same time and tied up
traffic all over the place on Friday night in San Francisco.
(26:57):
This is the company called Cruise. They have driverless vehicles.
Taxis supposed to call you want to get a ride,
they come and send you a driverless car. Well, they
all went dead at the same time. Tell you more
of it coming up. Johnny Can Show Canfi.
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night and after two o'clock Blake trolley on the smash
and grab flash mob that attacked the Nordstroms in Kenoda Park.
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And after two thirty we're gonna have Rick Caruso former
mayoral candidates, not enough of you voted for, and his
shopping center of the Americana and Glendale was busted into
by thieves that ransacked the East Sant Laurent store last
week as well, So we'll get into that now. You know,
(28:05):
the government in San Francisco is trying to push these
electric vehicles and they have given a company called Cruise
the right to have these driverlests. They call them robo taxis,
(28:26):
and they go around San Francisco picking people up, giving
them rides and there's no drivers. It's fully automated. But
there was a problem. Over the weekend there was a
big music festival in Golden Gate Park called Outside Lands.
And have you ever gone to a concert or a
(28:50):
sporting event and your cell phone doesn't work because everybody's
on their cell phone at the same time. Everybody's taking
photos and sending photos to their friends, and it overloads
the system. If you go to Dodger Stadium, the hardest
thing to do is to send a message to somebody
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was at a concert Saturday night and I had that
same problem. Yeah, because you'll have fifty or seventy thousand
people all doing because nobody actually watches a game where
a concert anymore. They just videotape it and then send
it to their friends. No, no, no, one's just sitting
there and enjoying them. So you have this overload of
the cell phone system, and Crews, which is owned by
(29:36):
General Motors, all their cars in that region suddenly stopped
working and it created a traffic jam. Ten robotaxis alone
on Grant Avenue in North Beach. It's not just their
cars broke down. Their cars broke down and backed up
everyone else on the block. There was ten of them
(30:01):
on one particular stretch, and the crew's administrator said, well,
it was wireless connectivity issues because of an overload of
cell phone usage at the concert. But they never thought
of this before, It never happened before. It appears to
(30:26):
be an inherent flaw in driverless car technology, which means
that if there's an emergency and cell service goes down,
the driverless cars will stop in place and the police
and fire personnel won't be able to get around the city. Now,
imagine you have a crazy fire in San Francisco and
(30:50):
the cell phone service goes down and then everyone's trapped.
Nobody can leave. I'm in in Lahina, the cell phone
system was down so people couldn't get the emergency messages.
According to US, this guy's name is Peskin. He's some administrator.
(31:17):
Let me see, oh, supervisor, Aaron Peskin. He says it's
a scary revelation that if the cell phone coverage goes out,
they can't communicate with their cars. At the same time,
the city would try would be trying to maintain order.
So if there's some natural disaster in San Francisco, like
let's say an earthquake, right and you know we've seen
what happens during earthquakes at San Francisco, and everybody wants
(31:40):
to flee, you can't because this stupid cruise robotaxi is
stuck in front of you. And even if you get
by the first one, there might be ten more on
that street. In fact, Peskin said, if you have an earthquake,
they'll be sitting like bricks on your street and there's
no way to community kate with them. At the precise
(32:01):
moment you need them, so you could call for this
robotaxi to take you out of the out of the
danger zone. But that thing's not coming. And of course
executives at Cruise did not respond for a comment. The
mayor did not respond to a comment. Who else didn't comment.
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The California Public Utilities Commission, they had just voted on
Thursday to lift all the restrictions for Cruise and for
another company Weimo. They were allowed full commercialization in the city,
even though city officials were protesting. They did this on
Thursday and Friday night. The robotaxis all seize up. So clearly,
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like the electric car story that we told you about
a few minutes ago, that poor guy trying to take
his family from Winnipeg to Chicago, this technology isn't there yet.
There's no there's no charging stations in some places, it
takes too long, the range isn't very much. And now
if you are within a certain distance of a large
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crowded event like a concert or a stadium, the electric
electric robotaxis here are gonna stop dead. So you know,
I understand things take time and decades and it's a
long trial and error process, but I don't understand the
obsessive push when it's not ready. Clearly, all this stuff
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is not ready. The next ten years are gonna be
a lot of fun, all right. Coming up after two o'clock,
Blake Trolley's going to be on and he's going to
have all the details of the latest smash and grab
flash mob that went through the Nordstroms into pang A Mall.
(33:54):
If you've seen the video, it is pretty scary. All
these goons dressed in black clothing and hoodies and causing
a lot of destruction, stealing maybe up to one hundred
thousand dollars. Oh, and then they spray. They had bear
spray on them. One guy got hit with bear spray.
This is becoming the most uncivilized place in the country.
(34:16):
I don't see these stories coming out of other cities
the way they come out of here. There's no law anymore.
We're gonna have Rick Crusoe on at two thirty to
talk about it because his shopping center in Glendale got
hit too. Last week. Deborah Mark Live in the twenty
four hour Cafie Newsroom. Hey, you've been listening to the
John and Ken Show. You can always hear us live
on CAFI Am six forty one pm to four pm
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