John & Ken Show Hour 2 (08/02)

Wayne Winegarden comes on the show to talk about a new study has come out on housing first homeless policies. They are not done with the signature verification process for the Gascon Recall. Gail Fortis comes on the show to talk about opposing the building of large housing units in her neighborhood near Manhattan Beach. LAUSD is going to end weekly COVID-19 testing, no baseline testing before the start of school and masking will be voluntary.

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purchase player find John is on vacation. I'm here with
Deborah Mark, our news presenter. We are wishing well Craig Coope.
He is the Norco market and liquor owner. You may
have heard this story Norco out there in Riverside County
about three in the morning. They wanted to rob him
four men came. One came into the store with quite

(01:07):
the weapon and Craig was not having it, and he
opened fire with a shotgun and that Robert ran screaming,
he shot my arm off. We hope to talk to
Craig tomorrow because he apparently had a minor heart attack
after all this, and people out there are coming to
the liquor store to show their appreciation and of course
to wish him well. So hopefully tomorrow he'll be listening.

(01:31):
We'll talk to Craig. Cope. Got an update coming up
in a few minutes. Also on the La County Board
of Supervisors. One thing did happen, one thing did not
happen concerning and that second thing as the recall of
the La County District Attorney George Gascone. Because the way
people are reacting to this Norco liquor store story tells

(01:52):
you the frustration that's out there over the criminal justice
breakdown that's occurred in the state and certainly in La County.
All right, let's turn our attention to the oh the less.
We have a brand new case study which is coming
to us from the Pacific Research Institute that we're going
to be talking now to Wayne Winegarden, Senior Fellow in

(02:15):
Business and Economics, And of course, the main thing about
it is the housing first measures that have been pushed
for far too long here in California, the state, the county,
the city, no matter where you are, most of the
people in charge of the money believe all you have
to do is get him into housing, get him into

(02:35):
a shelter, get him into a motel room. It's a failure.
We'll talk about why that is. So, Wayne, welcome to
the show. Thanks so much for having me. All right, so,
how did you approach this study? Tell us what you
guys put together here. What we really wanted to see
is we've had a couple of months in home Key Party,

(02:59):
Come Key. We have years of data on housing first programs,
which we just said we wanted to see how is
it working. And what we see is we're spending billions
of dollars. We're spending more and more money, and we're
actually getting more homeless. In the latest counts, in eight
of the ten cities where we have the largest homeless problems,

(03:19):
the population continues to increase. In Los Angeles, it's the
epicenter of the problem, but one third are still here.
We've been doing housing firsts for over five years, if
not longer here in LA and again populations keep rising.
So what we have in projects home key is a
very expensive program that's not addressing the issue. It's not

(03:43):
helping people who are homeless, and it's not helping the
community get a handle on not just the homeless problem,
but all the inciliary issues that follow off on it. Yeah.
I think the approach from these politicians has always been, oh,
you know, they're just like anybody else. They fell on
the hard block. Let's just find them some housing. But
these people have a lot of them have some real

(04:04):
problems behind that homeless issue. Because if I've said a
million times on this show, ask yourself and most people
you've known in your life, if you hit on hard times,
would you pitch a stent down the street in a park. No,
the people you know would not do that. But there
are people that do that because they have problems with alcohol,

(04:26):
with drugs, and with mental illness. Did you find that
to be true? You know, we've been looking into this
problem for years. My co author Carrie Jackson and I'd
done several reports. We actually published a book with two
other gentlemen called no Way Home. And absolutely what you
see is a large percentage of a homeless in California

(04:48):
suffer from mental illness, suffer from drug addiction, and as
opposed to having programs to get people into treatment to
try to overcome these afflictions, what we're actually doing is
we're subjudizing that that behavior you actually have a right
now because of a court decision to live on the street.
So you're ami, we're actually saying, Okay, you just heard

(05:08):
it picture tense. And then we've defined down see stealing,
so you can steal to nine hundred dollars to support
your drug habits and not be charged with the felony.
In fact, such a misdimeter that you don't get charged
at all. And so we're enabling a destructive lifestyle. And now,

(05:29):
which is recently the inevitable consequences. Were you able to
see anything directly out of Newsom's Project Home Key, I
mean there was much fanfare he made out of this
a couple of years ago when he introduced it during
the pandemic. And this was the idea to get the
homeless into like motel rooms because the motels weren't doing
much business during the pandemic. We're able to see what

(05:50):
the results of that word did that actually get many
of these people into permanent housing. I know you cited
the overall homeless numbers are up, which would be an
indicator of that, but did anybody take a closer look
where these people ended up that ended up in these
hotel rooms. Yes, And what we've found when we looked
at the later study, we explicit locan product tone key
and what you see, whether it's Los Angeles, San Francisco,

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or anywhere else in the state, perfect example, about one
third maybe if that much, will end up in permanent housing.
A large share which you see is not only is
the destructive behavior still occurring in the project home heat residences,
but people are actually dying of overdoses, so that they're
not overcoming what drove the homelessness. That destructive behavior just

(06:35):
moved into these these facilities. There's violence that's perpetrated against
the people who are volunteering there. So you have continued
drug use, continued drug overdose, gets violent, A small percentage
gett into permanent housing. Others either are back on the streets,
are still in terms of temporary kind of revolving door issue,

(06:57):
but because we're prioritizing the the housing first, the housing
and not prioritizing the treatment getting at the root cause.
That drove kind of led to people into this situation.
We're not actually addressing the problem, we're not reducing the
number of homeless, we're just basically subsidizing it. And what's

(07:18):
really troubling is we're spending tens of billions of dollars
doing this, and we had a very difficult with the
recession that we're facing, we're gonna have a very difficult
budget environment. So now we've wasted all this money on
these ineffective programs that are very expensive. One hundreds of
thousands of dollars per ruin is what we're spending, not
from the solving the problem. So we still have the

(07:39):
problem wasting all the money, and now we're gonna have
budget problems, so we're not going to have the resources
to do what's necessary. We really put ourselves in a
very difficult position. I don't think that what they did
basically with housing first, as they took the path of
least resistance. You offer somebody housing, all right, they might
say no, but chances are they might say yes. But
to try to get them into treatment for mental illness

(08:00):
or drug addiction or alcoholism. Something they might even deny
that they have wrong with them. They probably just decided
that would be too difficult. That's why I think we
do need conservatorship laws to be changed. How do you
feel about that, bro? I agree. One thing I've been
advocating is when we need to start enforcing our laws.
So if you're stealing five hundred dollars worth of goods,

(08:21):
that needs to be a felony. But what we could
do is we could use these types of negative interactions,
if we call it that as it means to get
somebody into treatment. So if you're homeless and you stom
as opposed to being sentenced in jail, sending somebody to
drug addiction clinic if that's what their affliction is, and
then if it can statistructurally complete the program, expunge to

(08:44):
their record, because the idea is to actually help them
transition out of this destructive right style. And so if
we use homeless courts correctly, if we use different types
of positive interactions and day rooms to try to bring
people in and get them to help, and like you said,
in some cases, if somebody is mentally you know, dealing
with mental illness. If they don't have the ability to

(09:08):
make rational decisions, then we're going to need to actually
as a community do that because having that destructive lifestyle
or a person with mental illness who could be dangerous
to the community, who could be even if they're not violent,
there you know, the drug needles and the phases and
all the other consequences to the quality of life just

(09:31):
can't go on. So we need to actually make those
hard decisions and move people into treatments where we can help,
where we can help them. Yeah, what we've seen happen
over the years, particularly in the last year or so here,
and I want to see what your thoughts are on this.
They're now putting somebody in a shelter or a motel
room is no good anymore. What they want to do
here is build this expensive, permanent what they call supportive housing.

(09:56):
So you picture these big complexes. They build the apartments
and in there they have mental health counseling, they have
job counseling, they have all of these supportive services. But
our our approach that is that's really expensive. I don't
know if you're going to be able to have enough
money to do that, and of course once people realize
you're building them something that nice, you're probably just gonna
end up with more homeless people coming to California. Yeah, no,

(10:19):
you can't do you want. It's unsustandable financially, and so
you need to stop that. We need to we need
to go back to the institutionalized model because it's cost effective.
It obviously it needs to be run professionally, it needs
to be clean, you know, it needs to be a
good environment. But we need to be able to do
this cost effectively. If we're going to do this sustainably,

(10:41):
spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to build one unit
which has a good chance of actually being destroyed by
you know, people who are just not prepared or not
able to tom to live in a home is not
is not the solution. All right, Doctor r Wayne wine Garden,
thanks for joining me. I appreciate it. He's with the

(11:06):
Pacific Research Institutes and he came on the show. He's
a senior fellow in Business and Economics to talk about
a new case study he did along with his co
author Kerry Jackson, about the failure of housing first policies
to deal with homelessness, something we've mentioned on this show
for many years, and again Michael Schellenberger, who ran for governor,

(11:27):
knew all about the failure of this idea of housing first,
where you're completely ignoring the dysfunction that's behind the homelessness.
We've got more coming up here on the John and
Ken Show on KFI. More on the homeless next hour.
I'll be talking to La City Council and Joe Buscayano.
It was rowdy, it was crazy. Today the La City
Council voted to prohibit homeless encampments near schools and daycare centers,

(11:53):
but they were interrupted. In fact, the whole thing had
to be shut down for a while because the homeless
activists were there trying to shut the vote down. It
was really an overwhelming votes at eleven to three in
favor of banning the encampments. Of course, Joe has wanted
that for a long time and they shut him down.
We'll talk to him after the news at four thirty

(12:16):
in about an hour coming up after three thirty. Blowback
in a town in the South Bay of La County
where apparently there are plans to build a rather big
housing structure in a neighborhood that's not used to that,
which could bring a lot of traffic and a lot
of other problems. You'll find out where and we'll talk

(12:37):
to one of those who's organizing an effort to stop
this large housing project from being built. That comes up
all after the news at three thirty, I had given
you a heads up yesterday that it was possible that
the La County Register of Voters was going to inform

(12:59):
the La County Board of Supervisors as to whether or
not there are enough verified signatures to put the recall
of George Gascon the Ela County DA on the ballot. Well,
the letter was sent by the registrar to the Board
of Supervisors telling them when they have their regular Tuesday
meeting that would be today, August two, it's possible that

(13:21):
he will give them the results. And he did that
as a formality because if it does qualify for the ballot,
they need to know that because they have to set
the election date within thirty days. So he just wanted
to give them their heads up. On the other hand,
obviously if it doesn't qualify for the ballot, them to
do anything. We understand that it was removed from the

(13:41):
agenda which means they're not done with the signature verification
process and the recall of George Gascon. So if it's
not next week, I think the week after would have
to be the end. I think by August sixteenth or seventeenth,
they pretty much have to be done with the signature
verification process, So we'll see what happens with that. What

(14:02):
the Board of Supervisors did do today is they voted
four to one to put a measure on the November
ballot for La County voters to give them the power
to remove an elected sheriff from office who not an
elected sheriff, the elected sheriff, who right now is Alex
vien Aueva. Now, it could be a little bit ironic

(14:26):
that the day that everybody votes on this measure will
be the same day they vote as to whether or
not to keep vien Aueva's sheriff. It's possible this passes
and he loses the election, but I guess they still
want that power. The only no vote was Catherine Barger,
who has made it very clear by the way she

(14:48):
was the only one a couple of weeks ago to
be against returning the indoor mask mandate to La County.
You got one county politician one out of the five
on the side of sanity. Sheila Kuell, who I threw
in the dumpster last Friday, was in fine form. Again.
I don't see the assessor getting people killed. It's really

(15:10):
about the ability to hold someone accountable when they have
a very powerful position. Well, the sheriff is elected by
the people, there's a recall, there's another election. There are
ways to remove the sheriff that are done the way
we usually do it through votes. Kuel of course she's

(15:31):
talking about the La County Assessor, who is also in
an elected office. So that was her little snipe there,
that Dobel, he doesn't get people killed. Yet Sheriffy in
a wave gets people killed. See the mindset of this
Board of supervisors, right, They're anti jail. They're closing all
the La County jails down. They believe in these diversion programs.

(15:53):
Remember a couple of weeks ago, we had a woman
on the air who years ago, when she was a
La County Deputy DA, she got attacked by that man
that apparently uses weapons on women, including the former Olympic
volleyball star who got hit with a weapon that guy
got sent to diversion. They keep doing the same thing
over and over again with him. Diversion programs, all right,

(16:15):
they don't always work. There are people in our guests
said she kind of believed in that program, but not
for a serial offender like this guy who has a
pensiont for hitting women with objects. This is your board
of supervisors and the path they want to take us on.
It's just as dangerous as the Elle County DA. They're
on the same track. They're working together. We close down

(16:36):
the jails because you know, the DA is not going
to send anybody to jail. The other thing about she lookule,
you have to know too, she's really got it in
for Sheriff v and AUEVA because apparently he's got an
investigation into a board appointed Inspector General by the name
of Max Huntsman and into county contracts involving a non

(16:59):
profit that is run by an oversight panel member. This
is this civilian oversight board that's supposed to keep an
eye on the sheriff and the idiot voters in La
County voted for that a couple of years ago, and
they've been feuding with Vin A Waver for as long
as he's been in office, and they keep coming up
with ways, so they put together some oversight panel of civilians.
But anyway, that oversight panel is run by a woman

(17:22):
who's associated with Sheila cule And apparently, if you don't
remember the story, that particular nonprofit ran this dope La
County hotline for people that wanted to report that they
were sexually assaulted on La County transit and they got
like just a couple of calls a month. It was

(17:42):
a lot of money that went out the door. And
vien A Waver said, we need to take a closer
look at that, and that got the Sheila cuele. That's
why she's pretty bitter, all right. Coming up next, another
local neighborhood battles a large housing construction project, which believed me,
I know the area, well, it will look oddly out

(18:03):
of place where they want to put it. I'll talk
next to my guest on the John and Ken Show
on kfive. We'll have more at four oh five on
the Norco liquor store owner who defended himself when a
robber came in with quite the weapon. He was ready
with his shotgun and he fired away and he injured

(18:24):
the robber who ran out along with his accomplices ran
from the scene. This is an amazing story and we
wish the liquor store owner good health. His name is
Craig Cope's eighty and apparently he did have some sort
of a heart attack after this happened, and his recovering.
We're hoping to talk to him tomorrow, but we'll talk
about the story and how it represents the frustration of

(18:44):
many because people are showing up at the liquor store
today to support the owner. We don't know anything about
charges anyway, but of course many will say, oh, and
this gun culture, how dare you use violence? And I'm
sure we're going to hear the usual crowd, like you know,
writers with the l Segundo Times, just doing the tisk

(19:06):
about this manned defending his turf and his store that
apparently he has owned for fifty five years. So that
I'll come up at four or five on the John
and Ken Show and then we'll be talking. Accouncilman Joe
Puskayano is pretty rowdy today, as the La City Council
did approve an ordinance to ban homeless encampments within five
hundred feet of schools and daycares, all of them in

(19:27):
LA This would be the most restrictive when it comes
to those types of properties. But it wasn't without a
lot of chaos because the activists showed up and tried
to shut the whole thing down, right, not representing most
of the residents of the city, but of course they
always get the attention of the politicians. So we'll talk
to Joe in about an hour. On the John and

(19:48):
Ken Show, we heard from a woman by the name
of Gail Fortist who's now coming on the show. The
website they put together is called Chill the Build dot Com.
A big subject on our show last year and the
year before were these bills in Sacramento, which ultimately did
pass and were signed by Governor Newsom allowing the construction

(20:12):
of some pretty large housing units in neighborhoods across the
state that don't see anything like that happening right now.
You probably heard us talk about SP nine and SP
ten over the years. That seems to be connected to
this story. For this one, we're going to go to
a neighborhood in Manhattan Beach where apparently they want to

(20:33):
build a four story, seventy nine unit complex at a
busy corner. It's Rosecrans and Highland Avenue in Manhattan Beach
and people residents of that town have gotten together organized
a group. They have a petition at change dot org,
and of course, as I mentioned, a website Chill the

(20:54):
Build dot com to try to battle this construction project. So, yeah,
welcome to the John and Ken Show. How are you.
I'm good? Thank you. Yeah, So, explain to people when
you found out about this and many more details. Well,
the detail I know is it's something that's been brewing
for a little more than a year with the city council.

(21:17):
We all learned of it. It kind of leaked out
at a meeting in I believe in March, so that's
barely three months ago. And yet it's been brewing in
the background. Plans have been going back and forth with
the city planning and our local newspaper, The Beach Reporter,
reported it. They went to a council meeting and then
there it was, And then immediately change dot org got

(21:40):
a petition going. Three thousand, five hundred people signed it,
and a group of us that live in the Elporto area,
which is the most northwest corner of Manhattan Beach and
the most congested area of the city and the maiden
thoroughfare in and out of the city. We got together
and we've decided to take on City Hall. I happen

(22:02):
to know the area well, Rosecrans and Highland, would I
know to be there on that particular corner, there's a
Mexican restaurant, there's a big parking garage. Where are they
putting this this four story seilding. You are exactly right.
It is catty corner to Poncho's Literally catty corner to
Poncho's is a parking structure owned by the City of

(22:24):
Manhattan Beach. And just behind it, like the borderline of
that parking structure is what's considered the project area called
you know, Rosecrans Highland backslash Project Verandas. And there's two
very small buildings on Rosecrans. The parking lot is literally

(22:44):
on Highland and this property is right behind all of
those things. Yeah, and I guess the complaint here is
and I guess the term you guys are using. We
enjoy our low profile lifestyle. Of course, in California there's
a lot of single family housing. This was an effort
in Sacramento to try to crack that and turn neighborhoods
that are all single family homes into some large structures

(23:07):
being built. You didn't know about these bills going through
Sacramento the last couple of years. Yes, we did. Those rules,
those rules are being used to the advantage of developers.
There's loopholes that allow them to skirt local zoning, these
bonus density laws. And then in our instance, the builder

(23:29):
was so generous and offering six low income units to
get the benefit of a ministerial nature, so that between
those two they can skirt all local zoning overbuild, not
have enough parking, not have a good in and out
of the property, you know, without causing havoc and gridlock here.
So where did this get approval from? Was it the

(23:51):
local government or how did this work? Do you know?
So the builder used the SB nine and FB ten
and approach the city and it went to city planning first,
and they apparently looked at whatever the rules were. All
the boxes, I guess were checked according to SB nine
and SB ten, those two Senate bills, and from there

(24:15):
several appeals were made by local people here and the
city planning turned it down and said no, sorry, we're
following the rules, this can go forward. So now we're
at the city council level. That's a meeting tonight and
was a meeting two weeks ago, and then the final
meeting where they're going to make a decision or not
to approve it and allow it to go forward is

(24:36):
August seventeenth. So tonight bunch of us are going to
talk about why it's not a wise move, sell our
city council to please do their job. What we're pushing
for now is the importance of a sequence study the
environmental issues. That it's right next to Chevron Treatment Plant,
an oil refinery that's been there since nineteen eleven. There's

(24:59):
lots of liquid probium under the ground. I mean they
already know there's all sorts of stuff there, and yet
they're allowed to skirt the rules because of the ministerial
and the bonus density laws. So yes, somebody needs to
follow the money. Because when we saw these bills marching
through Sacramento, we knew it was about the developers. I
mean there's a crowd that just believes whatever it is,

(25:19):
just build it because the state needs more housing, So
just get it done, whether or not it's low income
housing or medium housing or luxury housing. Just get it done.
But it just benefits the developers to do this. And
for the people that live in this area of Manhattan
Beach you're describing, it will completely change the look of
the neighborhood with this, with large four story thing going up. Yes,

(25:40):
it'll change the complexion of the city forever and set
a precedent other big units can go in everywhere and
just keep going. So we need to stop this now.
It doesn't make sense for our community. It does. It's
not healthy environmentally, it's not good for the city. And
we're pro building. We agree. We need building, we need apartments,

(26:05):
we need you know, the diversity is good. That's what
makes the community a great community. But not this from
highland looking up at this thing, because the highland is
down low and the property slopes up at this point.
It's a pretty sky hill. Where I live and where
this is located is called the sand Section. It's actually
on a sand dune, so it's up and if you

(26:26):
stand on Highland and look up at where fifty feet
will be this four story building kind of be like, yeah,
like a skyscraper in New York City, right, I could
imagine that I know exactly what you're talking about. So
now the city council and the city attorney have told
you there's nothing they can do. Is that what we're hearing? Well, yeah,
that's what they said, there's nothing they can do. In

(26:47):
other words, all the boxes are checked, they're following the
state rules. And we've heard from other land use attorneys
that is not true. And we're surprised that our council
is allowing us to go through and that our assistant
city attorney said that. It's like what attorney says that,
oh there's nothing we can do. I mean, have you
ever heard that coming out the attorney? Now, well, all right, Gail,

(27:10):
wish you all the luck again for people that want
to find out more, it's chill the build dot com.
It's a pretty good website to give you all the
information that you need to find out. And again you've
got a petition at change dot org as well. All right, yes,
we do, all right, Gail, good luck, keep us posted,
let us know what happens next. Thank you, John, Bye bye. Okay,

(27:31):
it was Ken. That's kind of said, right, Deborah, she
called me John. It's okay, he didn't mean it. People
think we're both here. I mean, that's kind of the
power of the show, right people, anyway, we love you Ken.
That's Gail Fortis. She's a resident of Manhattan Beach and
we knew this was going to happen when Senate Bills
nine and ten past that. Apparently she was aware of it,

(27:54):
and so we're probably her neighbors. But a lot of
people in California weren't aware of these bills, and they're
gonna see one day something rather large is being constructed
in the neighborhood. Multi family housing. This one in Manhattan
Beach is going to be a four story, seventy nine
unit complex on a pretty busy corner in the northern

(28:14):
part of Manhattan Beach. And again, right now, with single
family housing, the hike limits there are much lower. So
this bugger is really going to stand out more. Coming
up on the John and Ken Show right here on
KFI AM six forty. Coming up in the next hour,
we're gonna salute eighty year old Craig Cope and wish
him well. He is the Norco liquor store owner who

(28:35):
opened fire on a would be robber who came into
the store very early in the morning. Sunday, almost three
in the morning. Craig was behind the counter and he
looked at his surveillance cameras and saw it didn't look
good in the parking lot. What was going on. They
pulled up in their SUV and they were masked and
they had their weapons, and he says, I think I
know what's going to happen. So we got a shotgun

(28:55):
ready and he fired away. We'll give you all the details,
and we're hoping to talk to him tomorrow. So we
were told that he's a Johnny Ken show listener and
he will talk to us, and we expect it to
be tomorrow. Because the follow up was that apparently he
did have a hard problem after all this went down
and had to be taken to the hospital. But supposedly
he is recovering. So we'll give you all of this

(29:17):
coming up in the four o'clock hour. Also a taste
of this. This was part of the audio from today's
La City Council meeting. They voted rather overwhelmingly. I think
it was eleven to three to ban homeless encampments from
within five hundred feet of schools and daycare centers in

(29:37):
the city of La. The activists showed up, tried to
shut the whole thing down. I guess they knew which
way the vote was going to go, and their only
answer was, let's just disrupt us so they can't vote.
Here's some of the noise that's a reference to Nurri Martine.

(30:01):
Get out here, Nie. Who are these people? And of
course it's the middle of the day, they can make
their way down to the La City Council. These are
the people that are blocking any change with their homeless policies.
These are the people that whenever they try to clean
up a homeless encampment, they shut up. They show up,
and they blocked the police, and they blocked the people

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that are there, the sanitation people that are there to
clear up the encampment. They want people to continue to
live on the streets and die as they do. This
is the opposition council of Jobus. Guyana will join me
after four thirty to talk about this. It was also
announced this afternoon that as far as La Unified School

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District is concerned, and I'm not sure that John and
Kent show has too many listeners with students in La
and if I, but we have a few that they
are stepping back from all their COVID nineteen safety protocols.
The Tides of Times put it that were among the
most far reaching in the country that they were crazy
and they've resulted in a lot of learning loss for students.

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So they're going to mirror current county requirements what does
that mean? And end to weekly universal testing for coronavirus
no baseline testing before the August fifteenth start at school.
Every time I see that, I can't believe it because
I remember the countdown to school ending in May or June.

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It feels like the other day, but we're just a
couple of weeks away from school starting again. Masking will
be voluntary and a continued deferment of the district's vaccination
mandate for students in the system. Their daily pass system
will ramp down from its prior use as a campus

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entry requirement that had to be inspected every day. So
they're coming back to normal life as we all should.
And as I've mentioned before, we get the daily report
from the l Account Health Department, it looks like the
positive cases and hospitalizations are continuing to slow. Once again.

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This thing has a two month cycle or so where
things ramp up, then they ramped down, But these particular
variants are not making people extremely sick. We do not
have an overwhelming situation at the hospitals. It should be
treated that way. It's kind of hard to believe that
that finally got through to Barbara Ferrere in the Health

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Department last week when they did not make us go
back to indoor masking. And now the LA Unified School
District is not going to require daily testing, and for
now the vaccination mandate is going to be deferred and
masks are optional. All right. Coming up next, we'll talk
about the wild story of the day, this Norco liquor

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store owner who stood his ground when a robber made
his way into the store with a weapon in hand
or really menacing looking weapon and the store owner not
taking any chances fired. First John and Ken Show KFI
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