Female Serial Killers: Part 2

The concluding chapter of our two-part look at female serial killers features some of modern history's most chilling examples. Who will make the final cut?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff.
I never told your protection of I heart ideas how
stuff works. Today we bring you Are Part two, Are Unexpected,
Part two, Part two of our female serial Killer episode. Um.

(00:29):
I think this is the most research I have done
on an episode in a very long time, because, as
I've said in our part one, which you should check
out if you haven't heard it yet before you listen
to this one. UM, I knew like people were fascinated
with serial killers. I had no idea I was going
to have to sort through so much information. There's so
much legend when it comes to something this big and

(00:53):
this awful. Yeah, Like there's this whole overall tone of
oh my gosh, how did we not know type of thing?
And could they be right there? And also there's kind
of that whole bit of like, so this is what
happens when things go wrong? Yeah, And I'm curious about
um why I would love to come back and and

(01:13):
see if there's any research on is it like morbid
curiosity doesn't go back to that thing we talked about
when you're watching a slasher movie or something where there's
a part of you that thinks I can learn from
this and not that won't happen to me? Or is
it some kind of fascination with death because we're all
afraid of death? Ultimately, I guess, of course, or is

(01:34):
it is probably a combination of a bunch of things. Um.
But we're literally researching, like up to recording. So that's
how it became a part too. And our our first
part was about kind of older sail killers historical ladies, yes, um,
and this one is more recent stuff and um the

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trigger warning of course, violent sexual assault, necrophilia, general grizzliness.
And I would also like to re state what we
said in the last one. Just remember, um, and we're
trying to be respectful as well. But like, these are
real people. Some of them are still alive, especially in
this one. Um. A lot of these are more recent
and ongoing in some cases, So just remember these are

(02:19):
real people. And yeah, and I you and I had
also talked about I would love to dig into what
happens to the families of uh, not only the suspects
and the actual killers, and what what the aftermath this
for those families as well as fascination of like what's
the aftermath? How do you move on? Because it is
for me, a lot of this Again, as I said

(02:39):
earlier in the first episode, first part of this, UM,
I'm really fascinated about how this becomes or how this happens.
And it's more of that kind of underlying that that
really fascinates me per se, of like how did we
get to this point or how did they get to
this point? And UM, there's a lot of a lot

(03:02):
of research out there about that, even though sometimes I'm
kind of shocked at how there's certain things I assume
we've figured out and we haven't. And I guess I
shouldn't be surprised that there's a lot of stuff about
humanity and serial killers being one of them, that we
haven't necessarily figured out. But UM, there's a lot of

(03:24):
ongoing researching. And for some of these UM, I understand
now why there's entire podcasts for every episode is devoted
to one person, because for some of them, there were
UM like I know, one example we're gonna talk about,
she had electroshock therapy, and there was some speculation that
things like that maybe play a role. UM. So here

(03:50):
we go, Here we go, UM, and we're going to
start out with Lavinia Fisher. UM and she often gets
the dubious title of first female CEO killer in the
United States. You'd be surprised at how many women get
that title. Um, and we're gonna actually talk about that
a little bit more with one of our probably most
famous examples and a little bit. Um. So, she and

(04:14):
her husband ran a hotel called the six Mile Wayfarer House.
Lavinia would ask guests to dinner, where she would then
question them to ascertain if they were rich. Rumors abound
about how the couple killed their victims. Again, people really
like to sensationalize these things, so there's all kinds of
details you can find. One is, um, maybe she was

(04:37):
poisoning tea. That seems like maybe that's true. Lavina crushing
her their heads between her thighs, which I think is
not true. I'd think that's just a fantastic idea. And
I thought that I would do that, not that I
would do that. I'm just saying I got thick thighs,
so I've always thought, my wonder, could I do that? Well,
I hope we never have to find out. Um. It

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wasn't until a traveler by the name of John People's
arrived at the hotel only be told there were no vacancies,
but Lavinia was like, you're gonna have dinner with me though,
and he accepted. After the meal was over, she suddenly
had a room available. Suspicious people's decided against sleeping in
the bed, instead opting for a chair. Trying to fall

(05:21):
asleep in the chair, he was awoke in the middle
of the night when the bed dropped into a pit.
I know, I mean, you've got to respect the whole trap.
I know, jeez. Uh. He jumped out of the window
and immediately alerted the authorities, and this led up to
the fisher's capture. They were both executed. The story goes

(05:42):
that Lavinia asked to wear her wedding dress the day
of the execution and went kicking and screaming. She jumped
off the scaffold herself, but not before saying, if you
have a message you want to send a hell, give
it to me. I'll carry it. Uh. She became somewhat
of a ghost story in Charleston. For the six earthquake,
people reported seeing her her ghost wandering around. Of course

(06:06):
it's Charleston too, so I know people from Charleston. If
there is any local lore about this, we would love
to hear it. And that goes for like every ghost
we're talking of course, ghost serial killer. I'm gonna go
with ghosts. Is that because I was thinking of like
the ghost tours? Yeah, ghost tours. And also for me,
like I said in part one, I'm the ones I'm
familiar with most of them. It's because they have been

(06:28):
a ghost in some kind of supernatural X Files thing
that I've watched. So to me, they are ghosts, right,
but they're actually real people. There are wilers. It's just
you wonder if they if you believe in ghosts, are
they now ghosts? You know? So In one a nurse
out of Boston named Jane Topen murdered dozens of people
about manipulating hospital records. She was able to experiment on

(06:50):
patients with morphine and atropain. As they died, she would
hold their hands and fondled them. After her capture, she
admitted killing it aroused her, which is really rare or
female killer, just to put that out there. Taupin, nicknamed
Jolly Jane, was found insane and because of that not guilty.
He reportedly said it was hard desire to have killed
more people, helpless people's that is than any other man

(07:13):
or woman who ever lived. Yeah, and there are two
good examples of the thing we talked about in our
previous episode when it comes to the differences primary differences
between male and female zero killers, one being he has
female jerior. Killers normally don't have a sexual motivation um,
but she reportedly did one. And then also the nickname

(07:33):
that the media gave her, Jolly Jane. That's another example
of like male sero killers generally get a nickname that
is indicative of how violent are brutal they are, whereas
female zero killers get these nicknames that are still gendered right.
Um Okay. In the first half of the twentieth century,
in Oklahoma, a black woman named Nanny Doss married and

(07:55):
killed four men, along with her mother in law, her sisters,
two of her sister's children, her grandson, and her own mother.
She was only called after her fifth husband's autopsy revealed
arsenic as the likely cause of death. She died in
prison in nine and history knows her by many names,
the Giggling Granny, black Widow, Lady blue Beard, and the
Lonely Hearts Killer. She grew up reading lonely Hearts columns

(08:19):
and that's how she found a majority of her husband's
or you know would be victims is by posting in
the Lonely Hearts are perusing the Lonely Hearts column, it's
interesting to see how many of the of the female
seal killers are called black widows. Yeah, and that's something
we're planning on digging into more in a future episode.
Italian soapmaker Leonardo Chinchuli, who was also known as the

(08:43):
soap Maker of Careggio, killed three women um, serving them
at drugged wine and then killing them with an axe. Uh.
And then she used her flesh to make teacakes, which
she then fed to her family and friends and some
other people as well. Um. And this was tre she
had boiled them and caustic soda. She was fascinated by

(09:03):
things like palm reading, tarot cards, and fortune telling, and
a fortune teller had informed her the only way she
could save her children from dying from an untimely death
was through human sacrifice, and so her this. These murders
are placed between forty one. After her son Giuseppe was
drafted into the Italian Army, she believed that human sacrifice

(09:25):
would protect him in battle. An entry from her diary
reads she ended up in the pot. Like the other two,
her flesh was fat and white when it had melted.
I added a bottle of cologne, and after a long
time on the boil, I was able to make some
most acceptable creamy soap. I gave the bars to neighbors
and acquaintances. The cakes, too, were better. That woman was

(09:46):
really sweet. In nineteen forties Japan, Miyuki Ishikawa helped killed
and estimated one hundred and three infants a midwife. She
believed that the children of the poor people didn't have
a chance and she was sparing them a lifetime of jane.
So just remember um abortion wasn't legal during this time
in Japan. So she actually blamed the parents for deserting

(10:08):
their children and ended up only getting a four year sentence. Yeah,
she She's one of the cases where I think she
truly believed that she was helping, that she was helping
and the parents, Like, I don't think that was her
trying to turn to blame around in any way. She
truly did blame them for deserting the children. Then we
have Meira Henley, who along with her lover, raped and

(10:30):
murdered five young children in the UK from nineteen to
nineteen sixty five and what are called the Moore's murders.
One of these murders they recorded. Um Mara put forth
a lot of testimony that she was coerced and threatened
into these acts. Um When her brother in law witnessed
the couple murdering a young child, he turned them in
and they were captured. She died in jail in two

(10:52):
thousand two and was sometimes known as the most evil
woman in Britain. And then there's another angel of death
during the night teen seventies and eighties named Janine Jones.
She was a nurse in Texas. They believed to have
poisoned upwards of sixty infants during her stint working at
the hospital. Her shift was called the death shift. Children
were more than ten times likelier to die during her

(11:13):
shift than any other time in the i c where
she worked. During her confessions, she reportedly said, I really
did kill those babies. Despite receiving a very long sentence,
she was set to be released in two thousand eight
due to the mandatory release law in Texas, which has
now been repelled, but prosecutors brought further charges against her.
In two thousand seventeen. The serial killer actually inspired the
character of any Walks from this Stephen King misery. Yeah,

(11:38):
I wish I have not seen are Red. I know
there were one thing that everyone probably right, which has
been parodied and so many things, but yeah, I actually saw.
It's been a while since I've seen it. But it's
a slow burn, as you would say. Yeah, it's Cathy Baite, right,
wonderful Cathy Baits serial killer ever so because she played

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Madame Lalaurian American horror story. Um, we do have some
more on our list for you listeners, but first we
have a quick break for word from our sponsor and

(12:22):
we're back. Thank you sponsor. And um, I was just
about to tell Samantha. As we go through this list,
at least one book has been written about every person
on this list, um, and several have been written about
this next entry, um the Sunset Strip Killers. So um yeah,

(12:43):
I don't know that we had too many that were
like partners in our part one, like male female partners.
So we got a few more of those on here,
which are also pretty rare. Um So after an abusive
childhood and several abusive relationships. Carol Bundy no relation to
Ted Bundy, who I think did marry a woman named

(13:04):
Carol who survived, And I got very confused researching this. Right,
that's a lot of information for sure, oh my gosh,
and a lot of coincidences, a lot of confusing coincidences
for research purposes anyway, Um, Carol Bundy met and began
our relationship with Doug Clark. Clark soon shared his sexual
fantasies with Bundy permitted him to bring prostitutes into their

(13:26):
apartment for threesomes, but then Clark admitted he had a
disturbing attraction to an eleven year old neighbor. Bundy was
able to coerce the girl into coming to the apartment
for pornographic photo shoot, and this horrifying situation escalated when
Clark confided in Bundy that he wanted to kill a
woman during sex. After buying two pistols, the pair committed

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their first murder in nineteen eighty in Los Angeles. Um
They're victims were usually young sex workers, are runaways, and
Clark raped their dead bodies before they got rid of them.
In one instance, Clark decapitated one of their victims, Bundy
put makeup on the severed head and Clark used it
for oral sex. And kept it in their freezer for
a few days before they disposed of it. And we

(14:10):
were just talking about the scene from High Tension, right
I was, and I couldn't I couldn't get past that
scene almost something that was like ten MOMENTUSM like, I
just know everything about this is so disturbing. I didn't
know because I have seen High Tension, but I didn't
know about this. So I was wondering if it was
kind of like you start seeing a lot of influences
from real life situations for sure, in the whole genre

(14:33):
of TV and entertainment, which is really disturbing. I guess
it really is disturbing. Yeah, yeah, this is disturbing. Um okay,
And then Bundy confessed what was going on to an
ex lover of hers before she panicked after he rightfully said,
you've got to go to the police. Um, and she

(14:54):
persuaded him to accompany her to her van so that
they could have sex, but she instead shot and capt
aided him. But she was kind of sloppy leaf for
a lot of clues around and eventually she confessed to
her coworkers and then to the police. She said, quote
a situation that started out as a fantasy just got
badly out of control. The two were caught and imprisoned.

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Clark was sentenced to death. Bundy died in prison in
two thousand and three. Judy boyo Ano was executed in
nine for the murder of her first husband, her past partner,
and her son after a car explosion it seriously injured
her soon to be second husband. Judy had been spreading
lies that her fiance was terminally ill, even though he's
totally healthy. Health officials confiscated the pills Judy had been

(15:37):
giving him and discovered there full of arsenic and from
malde hyde. When the bodies of our previous husband and
lover were exhumed, arsenic poison was found to be the
cause of death. As for her son, in the events
leading up to his death, he had mysteriously become a
paraplegic and displayed other signs of arsenic poisoning. On the
day of his death, Judy actually took him out on
a canoe, which capsized and his brace dragged him down

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and he drowned at the age of night teen. Before
she was caught, she racked it and estimated two d
dollars on life insurance policies. The media dubbed her again
the black Widow. She was the first woman to be
executed in Florida in over one fifty years. Again, there's
a black widow. In England, Rosemary West and her husband

(16:20):
Fred were arrested for sexually torturing, murdering and dismembering at
least twelve teenage girls, including their own daughter who was
Rosemary's stepdaughter and um stepdaughter's mother, and one of Rosemary's
biological daughters named Heather. When Heather went missing, Fred would
joke with his children that if they didn't behave they
would end up under the patio like Heather. Um, and

(16:43):
that's actually how they got caught. Um. Emery west On,
the surviving stepdaughter of Rosemary, Um, has said, people say
I'm lucky to have survived, but I wish I had died.
I can still taste the fear, still feel the pain.
It's like going back to being a child again. Um.
The media dubbed Rosemary as the Monster of Cromwell and
the West Home as the House of Horrors. The Seller

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was where they tortured, killed, and buried their victims. Once
the seller became too crowded, bodies were buried under the
back patio. One of the bodies was found wrapped in
duct tape with a straw poking out from the nostril.
Many had been decapitated or dismembered. One had been scalped.
An inquiry revealed thirty one occasions that the West children

(17:27):
had been hospitalized for injuries our illnesses, including an STD.
This is one of the ones where I read it
and I was so surprised that they did not get
caught earlier. They were clearly abusing their children. Um Child
Services was called on them several times. Um Fred killed
himself in prison, writing on the wall Freddie, the mass
murderer from Gloucester. Rosemary is serving a life sentence where

(17:50):
she apparently gets fan mail and marriage proposals. That is
something I want to come back to you because that
is hugely disturbing to me. I didn't nicely that happened
to female serial killers. I knew that happened a lot
with male serial killers and their whole fan base, but
I didn't realize it's actually happened with a female. That's
an interesting flip, an interesting and disturbing one. Yes, one

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of her daughters claimed that there may be up to
thirty more victims that authorities don't know about. Wow So,
And there's also a Canadian woman, Carla Humulka, who started
her killing career with an attempt to impress her boyfriend
by allowing him to rape her fifteen year old sister,
who died after choking on her own vomit that they
had actually drugged her. Apparently. Paul, her husband, was annoyed

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Carla wasn't a virgin when they met, and demanded she
bring him a virgin. Carla offered up her own sister.
They videotaped themselves torturing and raping their victims before they
killed them. The video was too disturbing to play in
the court, but the audio was allowed. They were known
as the Kin and Barbie Killers. When Carla realized that
their rain of terror was coming to an end, she
was able to fairly successfully paint herself as a victim

(18:58):
and this whole thing to officials. She turned on Paul,
who physically abused her and who was also known as
the Scarborough Rapists and had read or attempted to rape
at least nineteen women. She got a pleadail from the prosecutors,
which was twelve years for cooperation, which later became known
as the Dill with the Devil and when the tapes
clearly indicated call, it was a willing accomplish when they

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played the tape in court and from a letter she
wrote to herself, be a perfect girlfriend for Paul. Remember
you're stupid, Remember you're ugly, Remember you're fat. Save yourself
killed them all. She was released in two thousand five
after only twelve years in prison, and recently cost a
huge commotion when she volunteered with the elementary school. Yeah yeah, yep, um.

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Then we have what I would argue is probably the
one of the biggest ones on this list, are the
most well known, and I think a lot of these
just the precursor. There's a lot of either movies or
TV series or something that has been based on all
of these things. And this is of course the Oscar
winner of them all. And also merchandise, yes, series merchandise.
So yes, we were talking about Eileen ware Nose from

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across Duke, by the name Violin Wareens, also known that
as a damsel of Death, killed seven male clients along
highways in north and central Florida. Police were able to
trace items belonging to of the victims to a pawn
shop near Daytona Beach. That's a very big nutshell of
what happened, but essentially um and connected the aliases used
upon the items to wear nose. According to Wareness, she

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killed and self defense acclaimed that she later recanted UM
and her first victim was jailed for ten years for
sexual assault. She made a lot of headlines because she
broke the mold of most female serial killers, using a
gun instead of something like poison, killing outside her home
killing strangers UM. Some stories reported that she killed like

(20:47):
a man, UM, and there was even an opera about
America's first female serial killer UM, as she sometimes was
mistakenly called Um. She was perhaps the first to fit
the FBI's profile of a male I mean a serial killer,
which was almost always you know, males killer, but she
was certainly not America's first female serial killer. Awareness told

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Florida's Supreme Court, I'm one who seriously hates human life
and would kill again. She was adopted by a born
again Christian after her arrest. UM and she was executed
in two thousand two. The award winning movie Monster with
Charlie's Theiron was about her, right and then there's actually
a documentary for her on Netflix, and it's it's fascinating

(21:34):
to me, not necessarily because you know, we want to
watch murderers essentially, our serial killers, but just her behavior alone,
it was just very indicative of her mindset and it
was kind of like, wow, yeah, when I was reading um,
you know, dry court documents, just what happened today in
court and the things she said very very shocking and

(22:00):
embrace it and um crass. I have not seen the movie. Um,
I remember all of the talk about how Charlie's They're
on like totally changed her. Look. Um, we do have
some more even more females serroo killers for you, but

(22:22):
first we have one more quick break for words for
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So we're gonna come back with Dorothea Puinte or Death

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House Landlady, which in the eighties she killed elderly and
mentally disabled tenants at her California boarding house in order
to cash in on their social Security checks. This was
after being arrested for drug and an elderly man and
stealing his pension. She read the male of her tenants
and kept most of the money for out unquote rent
and doling out the rest of the sort of a stipend.
Anyone who complained was killed and buried in her backyard.

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And it wasn't until it developmentally disabled and mentally ill
man was reported missing from his caseworker that police searched
the building and found the bodies in the backyard. The
house was called, among other things, the graveyard on f Street.
Georthia managed to escape to l A before someone recognized
her and turned her in four days later. At the time,
the authorities didn't label her a serial killer, because in

(23:27):
their minds that wasn't a thing women did. But for
her capture. She was highly regarded for her charity work
and her willingness to take in the homeless and substance abusers.
She even had a picture of her dancing with one
of the governors of California, which I'm sure he adored.
She died in prison in two thousand eleven, and then
prosecutors called her one of the most cold and calculating
female killers in the country they had ever seen. Yeah,

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and we were talking about this before we started, because
I was surprised at how much there was about her.
But it must be so they found the one body
in her backyard, and she was kind of like, I
don't know, maybe because it used to be kind of
common practice to bury people in your backyard. Um. And
she asked if she could go get coffee or something,

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and they're like, and then they found like so many
more bodies and they had just let her go, which
is fascinating again and also very very telling about how
they didn't a woman wouldn't do this. They said, like
the little lady, we didn't. We didn't think about it.
And she I think because she got away and there
was like four or five days of just panic. Right. Um.

(24:35):
I think that's why one of the reasons why there's
so much written about her, because there is and there's
a lot of conspiracy theories. I don't know if their
conspiracy theories, but people think that she has she had
to have had an accomplice because she was a little
old lady. So how is she dragging these bodies and
then baring them? Um? And there's even uh somebody that

(24:56):
a lot of people think that it is who used
to work around there and then disappear. Um. She also
asked her handyman for a box that was like a
coffin she gave and she was like, it's for books
and things, you know, I want to put all my
cookbooks in this very long, weird little cass had him
drive it to like down the highway and she was like,

(25:18):
let's just throw it in the ocean, you know whatever,
And he never did a thing. Yeah, well I don't.
I just found that that was so that there's a
lot because of the assumption, yeah, of women in general
or perceived, there's no way of blah blah blah. Right.
I also wanted to add in here um. She never

(25:38):
admitted to guilt. Um. And she also released a cookbook
in two thousand five called Cooking with a Serial Killer.
I've read some of the reviews on Amazon. They said
things like simple but pretty good. She goes well known
for tamales um. And there's a documentary about the house

(25:59):
and its new owners called The House Is Innocent, and
it focuses on how the new owners have tried to
turn something so maccabre into a positive thing. So they
donate like I think you can do tours there, and
they donate two funds for the homeless. Again another place
for our list. Yeah, oh gosh, I keep agreeing and
then realizing I need to pause and think. In Britain's

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Angel of Death, Beverly Allett was charged of using high
doses of insulin or potassium, or even just an air
bubble into the bloodstream to kill four children and attempted
to kill eleven more in the span of two months.
One of her victims had an entire adult dosage of
insulin in his system, resulting in one of the highest

(26:44):
levels ever found in a human. She was diagnosed with
Munchausen syndrome but ruled mentally fit enough to stand trial.
She is serving thirteen sentences with a minimum of thirty
years at a security like a secure hospital that it
is a source of ale out of controversy controversy UM.
The maternity wards she worked in shut down because nobody

(27:07):
wanted to take their children there. Um. Last year, a
go fund Me page just set up for her while
she was battling sepsis, and it also caused quite a
big controversy and go fund me removed it. Um. It's
interesting to see what happens in this thing and age
when someone like that is being seen as idolized or
needing help or that or whatever. I guess you would

(27:29):
say and then doing that. So that's kind of an
almost a different form of trying to propose to someone like, oh,
she said it would help her, Nobody's like what, Um. Yeah.
And I was recently it might be this very week
that this episode comes out. I was on over on
Movie Crush with Chuck Um that podcast, and we were

(27:50):
talking about slashers and I everyone. It was kind of
there were four of us, and I think I'm a
bit young or I'm like from a different generation than
everyone else on the panel, and so they had a
different experience than I did because I kind of entered
with Scream and newer ones and so going back and
watching the older ones are sometimes difficult for me because

(28:14):
our technology has changed so much. Yeah, and in some
ways that can be scarier, but sometimes you're like, well, right,
But I was thinking about Scream too, and how the
movies made about her life in that movie, which is
so meta, but she gets like calls on the day
the movie comes out, where they're pretending to be the

(28:35):
serial killer, like um, And that's just sort of a
weird aspect to this whole thing of people who it's
like entertainment for them, and that the whole thing. The
whole point of screen too is at the end one
of the spoiler alert one of the killers is like,
it's all entertainment, Like, right, I'm going to blame the movies. Um. Yeah,

(28:59):
So it is interesting to you have technology now, I
mean interesting and more disturbing. Even interesting and disturbing is
that we've described almost everything how technology is playing serial
killers now and killer because they have they can meet online.
Well also because it also changed things. Because of the
technology there are is harder to get away with it,

(29:21):
and there's more um evidence to be found that it
wouldn't have been found a long time ago. So it's
kind of it's not necessarily balancing it out, but it's
a kind of a whole switch up to what is
happening in this day and age, which is a good thing. Yeah,
But also correctly we also have the social media um
where can be stages and setups much like the one

(29:41):
who was using her lonely heart stuff, you know, and
trying to get hurt victims. But this is a lot
more easy access and a lot more for those who
may be actually really good with technology ways of stalking
and causing different types of fear factor level. What's going
on in the world today, right, you know, well, and
that's why for a lot of the ones we talked

(30:02):
about in our part one, the estimates were like they
might have killed sixty or seven because yeah, it was
easier to get away with it for longer back then.
But um, if if you've noticed, a lot of people
we've talked about have been in fields where they were caregivers. Um,
and that is one way that women are, even in

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our modern times, able to get away with being with
killing people for longer because one, you're a woman and
they don't expect you to do anything horrendous. That that awful,
and too if you're in a caregiving field, it gives
you a whole another layer. But this next one is
a good example of like how people feel like there's

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no way because you're kind of if you're in a
caregiving field, especially in a hospital. There's people do die
at hospitals, so you can use that. Some serial killers
on here reviews that to the advantage, including Kristin Gilbert,
because she murdered four patients at a Massachusetts veteran affairs

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medical center with epinephrin and attempted homicide on three others.
She was caught in two thousand one. UM. She had
been married with kids, but then she had an affair
with an hospital security guard, and her marriage has solved
in her husband left with the children, but not before
she most likely attempted to murder him via injection because

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I can't remember why, but he was at the hospital
and she was like, I'll just give you this and
you'll feel better, and he said it like pain and tingling,
and he immediately felt a great sense of unease UM
being around her. UM and she was jokingly called the
angel of Death even before she was caught because of
how many people died on her shift right UM once

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it came out that she was murdering people. Experts estimate
that she was on duty for half at deaths that
occurred during her tenure at the hospital, so half of
the time she was there. UM. One war veteran refused
injection while she worked there because quote, people are dying
around here for no reason. The patients are talking about it,
the staff is talking about it. The staff is talking

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to the patients about it. Gilbert confessed to her boyfriend,
the security guard we mentioned earlier, that she quote did
it killed all those guys by injection UM, and he
told the authorities. In a panic, she called in a
bomb threat at the hospital in response, and the hospital
was evacuated. The calls were traced to her and she

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was sentenced to fifteen months in prison for faking a
bomb threat. Meanwhile, Um, everybody the authorities were investigating all
these deaths. They were getting more and more details about
the murderers. It became clear that she had committed and
her the murder trials soon began. Prosecutors argued her motive
was to try to impress her boyfriend UM, who they

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would call in an emergency situations like a code or something. UM.
She received four life sentences in the early two thousands,
professional Mexican wrestler Wanna Barrazza earned the nickname the Little
Old Lady Killer or Mata Vitas for her murder for
at least at eleven women and probably more. Originally, the

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investigators had thought the murders were being committed by man
dressed as a woman, but she was actually caught after
someone witnessed her leaving a victim's home. Reports indicated that
Brazza's mother actually sold her to a man around the
age of twelve UM for a very little amount of
money and beer, and that her resentment for her mother
was her actual motive for killing these women. And according

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to the reports, want To admitted to only one of
the murders and she says she did it because she
was angry, but in the reports it was later said
that the victims had been beaten and strangled and robbed. Um.
She was sentenced to seven fifty nine years in Mexican prison.
That's I mean, the fact that the police thought that
the murders were being committed by a man dress as
a well, and it's pretty telling. That's how right they

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never believed it until they had that witness. Wow. Um,
well that brings us to the end of two part
look on female zero killers. Yeah. I need to go,
like have a drink and sit in the sun not
think about this for a minute. I feel like, I
just hope we're not missing someone that's really recent. But

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I did. Nothing came up. Um. I think there's because
you know, there's also the variation of the fact that
women snap are emotional and jealous, and so therefore that's
a lot of the cause of killing. But they're not
serial killers necessarily. Um. So it's kind of a little
different on that level. Also, you know, just looking back,
especially of the recent histories, you start understanding if they

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just find past histories of these women, it all had
it seemingly all had something to do with, um, trying
to save someone or trying to be seen as someone
that was like slightly and saving people, trying to protect someone,
try to get someone to like them, or try to
get money or because of the like horrendous past trauma

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of whatever happened. Um. And it's really fascinating because this
could all be set for any of the serial killers
of the past trauma. But again you see some of
the talking about sexual motives that are pretty much lacking
in a majority of these women. Is a lot of
like whether it's perceived protection or perceived of how they
were being seen, which is an interesting tale I think. Yeah,

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And um, we didn't really go into the past of
these women, right, which was often very traumatic. Um. And
as we said, I completely understand now as someone who
does not consume true crime, why like every person on
this list could be in the whole episode. And if

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there's anyone that you really stood out to you that
you wanted to know more about, let us know, um,
because I was reading there's so much out there, and
just the the past that a lot of these women had,
uh was equally disturbing. UM. And I was thinking, because

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what I have I do know about slashers and yeah,
I can only think of um off the top of
my head too. Female serial killers that came to my mind,
which we mentioned in our Female Monsters episode, right, And
I was going to say, for a lot you and
I talked about again about the mothers and like who
are the ghosts or those who killed UM anyone or

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became a ghost or afterwards had a lot of that
same kind of idea behind that as well that we
just talked about with all of the whethers to protect someone,
whether to show someone something, you know, it's an interesting Yeah.
And the two fictional female serial killers I am thinking
of they both we're killing in revenge for their son UM.

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So we hope that that you've learned about history's fascinating
history of female serial killers. And if we left anyone
out or if there is someone you want us to
expound on, if you live in a place where there
are legends about this person, or you have some sort
of I hope not, but if you have some sort

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of serial Killer Experience. UM. You can write to us.
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