November 28, 2022 • 29 mins
In part two of our look at conservative narratives around single liberal women and how they're ruining everything, we continue to pick apart their arguments.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to Stepan
I never told you protection of iHeart Radio. And welcome
to liberal women making the world the worst. Yes, welcome.
We're so happy you joined us, are we? Because I
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guess we're so unhappy. So this is part two of episode.
We were not intending to be a part two, but
we just had so many thoughts and so much to say,
too much to say, So go listen to part one
of Single Women Get Married. This conversation started in part
because of this rhetoric around like why don't why didn't
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single women go conservative during this midterm elections here that
I thought was very funny that happened to coincide with
this email that we received about how liberal women are
just not happy and they are ruining everything, ruining everything
that is my life goal. Here we go, Here we go.
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So let's let's jump in. And this is where they
try to include studies to look more credible, which we're
going to talk about. But the big red font title reads,
a new study proves feminism failed women. Liberal women are
more unhappy without men, babies, and marriage. For decades now,
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the feminist agenda has been in full swing in these
United States making strides towards women's equality, independence, personal empowerment,
and government support. But are women happier in the answer
for liberal women is a very loud no survey the
American family. Yes the answers, so okay, all right, Um,
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there's a lot to talk about. Year Again, we've talked
about women in happiness on this show. We had three
Monday minies on it, so you can see those where
we we discussed some of these surveys I have so
the links they included. Some are more concrete, some are
more credible than others. I would say, I have a
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lot of theories for why this could possibly be, Um,
and I know you have some, Samantha. Basically one of
my first thoughts when I heard that, which again we've had,
We've had studies that have shown the complete opposite on here,
and we've talked about them on here. I would say, like,
if that's in any way true, it would be because
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right now it is it feels like an attack on
women and liberalism and democracy. Like of course, it's hard
to report high levels of happiness during a pandemic when
row view aid gets overturned and we have all of
these like negative things. When it comes to the strides,
intersectional feminism has made like that makes sense to me.
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I can tell you my happiness has suffered absolutely. Yeah,
you know, like it's really funny because the links that
they put on here and I went to look at
a couple of them, the way they misreporting the information
in itself, because you have to take in the big factors,
and that's in fact. I think one of the links
is the Guardian. We've used the Guardian and they are
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pretty reliable in the way they report. But we know
why they used the Guardian, and we know what the
Guardian was trying to say because we talked about it before.
But the fact is that they are taking numbers and
saying see see whenn't Actually, like you said, there's circumstances
right now are most likely making liberal women who believe
in bodily autonomy, um, equal pay, racial justice are not
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happy with what is happening right now. And we've not
talked too much about Christian nationalism outside of talking about
Q and on and then the red Pill and all
of that. But we don't of our government, even with
it turning blue ish. We don't love what they are
doing because they are too moderate for those who would
truly consider themselves liberal. And when I say to moderate,
they're playing a game in order to try and take
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the high road. And again, there's so many things to
talk about that I'm gonna I'm putting myself out of that.
People are like, oh my god, you're so left leaning.
Is to the point of like, as a social worker,
what I've seen in the system that I've worked in
the government, what I see is nothing is able to
happen because no one is making any changes outside of
those to the extreme far right, especially in the State
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of Georgia, not everywhere. Again, the media likes to play
up both ends, but like what I'm saying to that
what I see as that person sitting here, as the
fact that I worked at the government for the State
of Georgia and as our current UH governor, he is
very far right, and he's still considered moderate by most
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because he's not completely trump um. But what he has
taken is it really extreme measures to not help children.
That's what I've seen. So all these things like we
don't love the government, even if they are the ones
we voted for, they are not who we truly wanted,
And so Therefore, yeah, I think for the most part
we are really honest and like they're not doing what
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they promised they were going to do and or they're
not able to that's a whole different conversation because of
all the roadblocks. So a liberal woman who truly is
seeking liberal gains as in true rights to what we
see as being equal to the rest of the people.
So no, we've not been happy probably the last hundreds
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of years. Where we are more happier when Rovi Wade
did come in effect absolutely celebrated that. Where we happier
when queer rights actually happened and gay marriage was actually noticed,
yes and recognized by the country. Yes, we celebrated the
hell out of that. But that's all turning back, especially
since twenty six. So we're a little concerned and unhappy.
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We're also the same ones who are probably like, yes
we need to be in quarantine, Yes we need a
mask up. No we're not happy about it. We are
probably all like have acknowledged and actual diagnosed mental health
stuff because we go to therapy, and so therefore we
are unhappy about this situation. But we acknowledge because these
things are happening and they have not been handled. Like,
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I know that's personal and I'm going on a rant,
but by God, for the love of Jesus, that you
are correct when we are honest in our opinions. Yeah,
and I think that's a key point. I think both
as you said, context is missing from these numbers if
they're even like accurate, and who did they ask? And yeah,
it's important. Context missing. I think that liberal women and
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this this could be a generalization that I've experienced, are
more likely to be honest and to report those kinds
of things. Um. But also, and this is a much
bigger topic. It's a very controversial topic. We've been talking
about doing this episode forever. But I do think that
not a lot of con servative women who really buy
in to the conservative rhetoric of you know, women in
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marriage and all that stuff. Um, I think that they're
less likely to admit that they're you know, being a
mother is hard and it's not always perfect or easier'or like,
I think they're less likely to say that, right, And
let's be honest. And I saw an amazing tech talk
the other day, because you know, TikTok, apparently the world
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of tech talk, that's my world, that's where I get
my permision just kidding, just kidding, um, but no, like
I've seen so much content and we're actually looking up
and researching about Christian nationalism and what it's doing to women,
um and why there's concerns and and and and understanding,
uh what is happening especially to that group of people.
And and I You and I have two different backgrounds
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because though you did come from a very small town, uh,
your mother and father did not intrench you to the
level of Christianity. A lot of other people around you,
as you talked about even um, have gone through and
myself and being told as a women, we are always
being told this anyway, but in general to not show
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when you're unhappy, to put on that happy space, to
be demure, to be kind, to be grateful, and never
come outside of that. So there's this whole level when
it comes to women in families, in conservative families, in churches, uh,
specific to things that would be uh you know, an
alignment with Christian nationalism, are told to step back and
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then they will suffer if they're too honest, being that
you need to show your gratefulness and if you should
dare to show the truth and take down that mask,
you are sinning against God and your husband. So there's
so many things to this level and this rhetoric that
is so dangerous in itself, because that's also why the
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statistics are higher when it comes to domestic violence for
those in what would be like Western religion, and we
see that, and we also see that like in religion
in general, when it's specifically made up by the patriarch,
and it is to hold up a patriarch, that it
is women who suffer for it and told not to
complain and that it is sin to do so. So
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there's so many levels to this conversation. One of the
most liberating things that I had when I went turned
away I guess or walked away from religion organized religion
was understanding that the faults they told me I had
and all the things that were wrong with me were
not anything wrong with me. It just was how I
was created. And if this God that they talked about
was so loving kind of the creator, then I should
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embrace who I am as long as it is you know,
not harming other people, as in like this was my
survival tactics, This was who I was born to be.
I was like abandoned left and right, abused left and right,
and my strength, my independence, my uh ability to survive
and finally come to the point that I can recognize
myself was what made me who I am and how
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I've survived all those years. And then you're telling me
that can't be you anymore. You have to let that
go and become a whole different person for you to
have value in the system. And so many women in
that culture, that's what they learned, that's what they're told,
and that's what they find their value. And to turn
your back to that is just literally spinning in the
face of who you should be. So you're being ungrateful
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and like you are a traitor to that lifestyle. So
there's so much to this that I'm like, you are
for kidding. And again, I also wanted to come back
to this point because I'm getting real serious. I know
mhm that his whole beef is not about people being single.
His whole beef is that they're liberal. But they have
to tie that in together because none of this is
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talking about being single. None of the articles that he
sent us isn't talking about except for the connected life
via marriage. It's most most of it is about being liberal.
So to that point, I'm like, so what singleness has
to have to do with any addition other than they
are in controlled by family or that traditional lifestyle and
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being told if you had these things, you would have
better understand why we're trying to control you more. Right, right,
And we do have episodes coming out on a long
planned on religious trauma. They are coming, we promise, UM
because like to be clear, you know, religion has helped people.
Motherhood's not all bad. These are things, These are the
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messages he's saying, Like in this email, the implications of
what he is saying, UM is just so problematic in
a lot of ways. Okay, I don't I want to continue.
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So this this person runs a pro patriot, pro masculine,
pro Christian group and dares to ask the question why.
And then there's some numbers that are given about women
getting married later than ever unmarried women. And here's a quote.
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As it turns out, when you turn against God's plan,
you become unhappy. On the contrary, when you embrace God's plan,
the plan of traditional family and children, both men and
women are happier on the whole, you know, which is
funny to me because once again, if you stick by Paul,
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Paul says, don't get married. His whole stick was if
you are literally horny, then get married, because how you
don't send But outside of that, they bring you down.
His whole spill is this, which is why he remained unmarried.
But with sonny young boys, thank that for what it is.
But like he had this whole thing, and we know
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the majority of the New Testament, which is what is
a big conversation here is literally saying don't get married.
I love that you just well, actually this guy. But
like what's so funny is because if you see the
gospels was telling about Mark, Luke, John uh Matthew, which
by the only only one of them, I believe, what's
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the disciple John? Who his whole message, John's holding message
is about love. If you want to go through, His
entire thing is you cannot love. If you don't love,
you're not of God. Like that's exactly what his whole
spiel was. But the other gospels are literally saying this
is the Church, the Father of the Church, and the
Holy Ghost, which is the bride, the husband and the Father.
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Like that's the analogy that it comes to supposedly. I
think the translations have been ripped through a lot, and
there's a lot of conversations about this we know within
that world, which I'm not gonna get into, and people
gonna yell at me. Um. But all of that to
say is sure, that's exactly that level of trust. Like
you the father in the the guide you, and the
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church is the one that follows Jesus. So that's how
it's supposed to make up the the marriage world, that
type of level, which, by the way, if we want
to talk about it, Jesus was very humble and didn't
do anything to actually hurt the wife or the church.
So you know, that's on the husband who beats them
and cheats on them and or you know, does all
these abusive things. Uh. Jesus did not do that, just
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as the little minor um and also did not command.
He never once commanded that you have to do this.
Is that if you love person, then you should do
this again whatever. That's a whole different level, um. But
the fact is, when it came down to Paul's teaching,
which is the rest of the New Testaments outside of
Revelation and all that, um, it was he was actually
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not he didn't think marriage was great as in fact,
he kind of made fun of Peter who was Mary
and thought he was a lesser. What that's a whole
different conversation. I'm sure people are at Melia. That's not true.
It's true they had each other. He tried to kill
them until he converted. Just as a reminder, it's been
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a lot of times since I read the Bible, so
remember all these But all of this again comes back
to like this whole level, like this is God's intendent purpose.
Not no, not really. I mean in the Old Testament
that happened, and they had multiple wives, and then they
also killed their wives, and also they trapped it into
marriage while raping them, So that happened in the Old Testament. Sure, wow, man,
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really really well, actually this guy, I love it. Um.
Our d religious drama episodes are gonna be intense. Oh
I have a lot of thoughts. Yes, well, I love
it um. And then so the email continues and it
has a quote from this survey they got from a EI,
which is a conservative survey by the way, it's a yes,
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a conservative yeah, um. And it says, you know, conservatives
Americans who embrace family first values and virtues that steer
them towards wedlock marriage have happier, more fulfilling lives. Um.
And this is especially true for conservative women, this claims
um And here's a quote from the this survey that
they cited. The problem facing liberals, then, is that too
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many of them have embraced the false narrative that the
path to happiness runs counter to marriage and family life,
not towards it. They think independence, freedom, and work will
make them happy, which is why significant portions of the
popular media are filled these days with these stories celebrating
divorce and single man. You know, the secret to happiness
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for most men and women involves marriage and a life
based around the family. M part, but like, I love
that he brings out an article from Bloomberg. Uh, and
he's like, in reality, made mothers are richer than the
single women. Like, so there's money talked about it in here.
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I'm like, I don't think you know that means yeah, yeah,
and I there's so much in here that I like,
oh boy, we could really pick this apart. Um, I
really do want to do let's let's talk about this
because wow, and we are I'm just going in like
in frantic Modeve like, what is wrong with this, dude?
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This is an email we received just to reiterate, Um.
I love that they think independence, freedom and work will
make them happy. I'm like, you obviously have not talked
to one liberal person because they will tell you, no,
we're trying for a four day work week. We would
rather not work. We would or if we're working, we
want to do something that we love and that's hard
to find because there's so many little opportunities for women
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and that's why we're unhappy with our job. Yeah, which
we talked about kind of that issue before about women
going to the office and then you're still facing like
all of the sexes. So it's not like it went
away and we could go to work and that Like
that first wave of finism was really revolving around getting
women white women, specifically equal pay, and we still don't
have that. So of course, like we're still frustrated, right,
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and we still a little have equity when it comes
to getting any type of rights in general, and there's
still be uh discriminated against for wanting children in the
first place, which, by the way, that's the roadblock and
wanting children room. Yes, oh my gosh, yes, so much
so much stuff. And then it continues. This guy, who
is a student of history, says, the downfall of our
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happiness began when the communist platform of Karl Marx and
the feminist revolution started attacking traditional family and capitalism. Oh gosh,
here's a quote from from him directly. The specter of
communism and all of its forms always seeks to disrupt
the nuclear family. This holds true from the Communist Manifesto
to the Thirteen Principles of Black Lives Matter, which both
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blatantly seek to disrupt and abolish the Western prescribed nuclear family.
What's the first step? Destroy the head of the nuclear family?
The husband, dan father are mental? Fragile? Does feel pretty man? Oh?
Poor man? And of course the term Western prescribed We
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know what that is again, supremacy. We're here, hey, yes,
And he goes on. Carl Marx hated the traditional family,
writing proudly abolition of the family. On what foundation is
the present family? The bourgeoisie family based on capital, on
private gain, and it's completely developed form. This family exists
only among the bourgeoisie. This bourgeoisie family will vanish as
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a matter of course, when it's compliment vanishes and both
will vanish with the vanishing of capital. Oh, it's kind
of like a huh oh and speaking of oh my gosh,
Like that's just the word private gain. I'm like, is
that offensive to you that you don't like being told that, yeah,
you're doing this for your own game? Yeah, it doesn't
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like it. I love this part um. He quotes the
forty five goals of communism as written into the Congressional
Record of ninety include swee bullet points, discredit the family
as an institution, encourage promiscuity and easy divorce, emphasize the
need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents.
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A tribute prejudices, mental blocks, and a word I'm not
gonna save children to suppressive influence of parents. So it's
like blaming the parents, I guess. And women, I mean
it's not said, but implied women be promiscuous and they
can get divorced. So also, this is obviously the last
the attribute to prejudice and mental blocks. This is about
a critical race theory, like that's which is not introduced.
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You set up in high school, middle schools, elemented schools,
so that is not a thing. This is why Texas
still thinks that they can never mind. Sorry, Texas, we
love you. But I was told by a person growing
up there, like we didn't have American history. We only
had Texas history. I've been I've heard that too. She act, yeah,
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she was tamn. She was like, I didn't know, like
when we were in college talking about any of the things.
I don't think it was anything big, like I'm trying
to think of like Black Wall Street. I learned about
it in college, but it was like a very blip.
I don't think that was even the conversation like things
like that. We didn't even talk about the Skeegee nothing.
It was something like, yeah, this is the United States
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and this is what happened. She was like, Oh, I
don't know that because we didn't teach us anything out
of Texas history. Y'all those who are in Texas, is
that's still a thing that we also who grew up
in Texas. Is that the order they are they doing
in American history? But she was very baffled. Yeah, please
right in, please right in. Um. There's certainly like a
lot of ableism going on here, obviously, obviously, UM and
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I love it. It It feels very defensive. Again, it feels
very much like they're blaming the parab the poems. And
then to wrap up at the end, is this like
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list of questions we could ask for his credit. It's
kind of nice to see, like, all right, you help
do the work. This makes it easy, which is what
he knows. Alright, so here are here's what he knows.
We could ask how did the modern welfare state marginalized
men and make single motherhood attractive? How has the feminist
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movement made promises it could never keep. How has vilifying
men and babies impacted our world? Why are conservative women
in traditional marriages on average happier? What does masculinity have
to do with solving this problem? What fallout has the
absence of fathers created in our society? Why is the
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black community a model that the Democrat Party would like
to repeat with all people groups. Why are traditional gender
roles and traditional marriage so outrageous to the left? What
is a man's role in resolving this societal problem? His
penis I know, I mean, we're making fun. This is
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also offensive, but it's also like, oh, silly, thank you
for this email, dude, because now I know not only
are you a misogynist, not only are you says you
were absolutely racist enable. So everything about you, which, by
the way, this dude got like a really serious injury.
So bro, you should understand about disabilities just a little bit,
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but you can't stop yourself and that's why you sell
yourself as an as. Yeah. Oh yeah, I mean again,
I almost thought this was a joke when I got
this email. I was like, surely not the vilifying babies
that is. I'm mean, some babies are evil, that's what
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tell me. That's what I see. But no, like, I
honestly as one of those who actually worked to try
to what he would say, to save a traditional family
because I worked in suburban areas, small rural Georgia areas,
which is predominantly made up of literally like low income
white families, and those are the families that I worked with,
and I'm telling you what, I got some really fun,
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amazing reactions from them. I was trying to save them.
I was trying to sure to help them, I will
say that, but you know what, they have no help
from those who seek to tell them that they need
to do better, and also who seek to tell them
that it's not their fault. Is obviously the black community
who's becoming the role model of the Democratic Party, which man,
I really wish if you could follow suit to all
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the black women who have created such an amazing route
and path for us, that would be phenomenal. That's part
of the problem. We're not actually following that model, right right, Yeah,
Oh my gosh, that's why I'm unhappy. Like I said,
we have a lot of reason to be unhappy. I
think he's missing that point. That's like one of the
key points. I also love that he's talking about all
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these things that have been literal roadblocks that the Republican
Party uses, and or the Conservative Party, the families First
party um as they would like to think themselves because
they don't really care about other families, just their family, um.
But they are the reason why these roadblocks are happening.
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The movement made promises it could never keep because you're
roadblocking everything right exactly exactly, And it's also one of
those things are clearly like, as a white man, I'm
sure you felt very happy and comfortable like and surely everyone,
like everyone in my life, this is their best time
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right too. And if it's not, it's because of feminism
um or the black like whatever it is. Um. He's
just very clearly focused on himself and his own world
views and has not even thought to think beyond that. Yes. Again, also,
they're so out of touch that they sent us a request.
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That's how little they're aware of their surroundings and how
they little they care about who they're talking I thought
about that too. I was like, this is you're kind
of by sending this to us, you're proving exactly what
we're talking right. Yeah, it's kind of like, oh yeah, sure,
these ladies they love to talk about they'd love to
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talk to me about this essentially like oh women, mom, yeah,
got him there in let's do those the lack of
self awareness, I love it. Yes, um yeah, I mean
we could, like you said, we could pick part every
line of this. We won't, but like again, we I
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know we've talked about this before, but just to like
wrap up, this is really funny and it's fun to imagine,
like you or I have so much power and finism
has so much power that he's like it's ruining society
trying we're trying to credit. I know you're giving us
so much credit to be honest, like we've done a
lot um, but it's always funny to hear these where
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I'm like, that's whatever the conservatives will take, like we're
trying to ruin society. They don't take this run with it.
I can't wait. But also, and also coming back to
like part of our conversations, we're not ragging on motherhood
or family a life, because that's beautiful when it's done
correctly and when you are happy and it is all equal,
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it is a gorgeous thing. Say, and that's what you
love if you love being a stay at home mom
taking care of your house, and have it this agreement
that you have fully communicated, wonderful that I am so
excited for that. But that's the whole is that we
want to be able to have the choice to live
the life that we choose, yes, point blank exactly, and
having the freedom to do so, and being happy to
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do so without harming others exactly exactly. So yeah, I mean,
this was quite a funny thing to pick through, but
it is still very frightening and toxic that people believe this.
So I hope you had a good laugh, like I
said at the top, but it's like infuriating and funny
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cringe pause, funny question mark. I had to read it
like three times before I was like, oh my gosh,
I guess this is real. Um okay, but yeah, listeners.
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to liberal women making the world the worst. Yes, welcome.
We're so happy you joined us, are we? Because I
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guess we're so unhappy. So this is part two of episode.
We were not intending to be a part two, but
we just had so many thoughts and so much to say,
too much to say, So go listen to part one
of Single Women Get Married. This conversation started in part
because of this rhetoric around like why don't why didn't
(00:47):
single women go conservative during this midterm elections here that
I thought was very funny that happened to coincide with
this email that we received about how liberal women are
just not happy and they are ruining everything, ruining everything
that is my life goal. Here we go, Here we go.
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So let's let's jump in. And this is where they
try to include studies to look more credible, which we're
going to talk about. But the big red font title reads,
a new study proves feminism failed women. Liberal women are
more unhappy without men, babies, and marriage. For decades now,
(01:31):
the feminist agenda has been in full swing in these
United States making strides towards women's equality, independence, personal empowerment,
and government support. But are women happier in the answer
for liberal women is a very loud no survey the
American family. Yes the answers, so okay, all right, Um,
(01:58):
there's a lot to talk about. Year Again, we've talked
about women in happiness on this show. We had three
Monday minies on it, so you can see those where
we we discussed some of these surveys I have so
the links they included. Some are more concrete, some are
more credible than others. I would say, I have a
(02:21):
lot of theories for why this could possibly be, Um,
and I know you have some, Samantha. Basically one of
my first thoughts when I heard that, which again we've had,
We've had studies that have shown the complete opposite on here,
and we've talked about them on here. I would say, like,
if that's in any way true, it would be because
(02:45):
right now it is it feels like an attack on
women and liberalism and democracy. Like of course, it's hard
to report high levels of happiness during a pandemic when
row view aid gets overturned and we have all of
these like negative things. When it comes to the strides,
intersectional feminism has made like that makes sense to me.
(03:09):
I can tell you my happiness has suffered absolutely. Yeah,
you know, like it's really funny because the links that
they put on here and I went to look at
a couple of them, the way they misreporting the information
in itself, because you have to take in the big factors,
and that's in fact. I think one of the links
is the Guardian. We've used the Guardian and they are
(03:29):
pretty reliable in the way they report. But we know
why they used the Guardian, and we know what the
Guardian was trying to say because we talked about it before.
But the fact is that they are taking numbers and
saying see see whenn't Actually, like you said, there's circumstances
right now are most likely making liberal women who believe
in bodily autonomy, um, equal pay, racial justice are not
(03:50):
happy with what is happening right now. And we've not
talked too much about Christian nationalism outside of talking about
Q and on and then the red Pill and all
of that. But we don't of our government, even with
it turning blue ish. We don't love what they are
doing because they are too moderate for those who would
truly consider themselves liberal. And when I say to moderate,
they're playing a game in order to try and take
(04:12):
the high road. And again, there's so many things to
talk about that I'm gonna I'm putting myself out of that.
People are like, oh my god, you're so left leaning.
Is to the point of like, as a social worker,
what I've seen in the system that I've worked in
the government, what I see is nothing is able to
happen because no one is making any changes outside of
those to the extreme far right, especially in the State
(04:34):
of Georgia, not everywhere. Again, the media likes to play
up both ends, but like what I'm saying to that
what I see as that person sitting here, as the
fact that I worked at the government for the State
of Georgia and as our current UH governor, he is
very far right, and he's still considered moderate by most
(04:54):
because he's not completely trump um. But what he has
taken is it really extreme measures to not help children.
That's what I've seen. So all these things like we
don't love the government, even if they are the ones
we voted for, they are not who we truly wanted,
And so Therefore, yeah, I think for the most part
we are really honest and like they're not doing what
(05:14):
they promised they were going to do and or they're
not able to that's a whole different conversation because of
all the roadblocks. So a liberal woman who truly is
seeking liberal gains as in true rights to what we
see as being equal to the rest of the people.
So no, we've not been happy probably the last hundreds
(05:35):
of years. Where we are more happier when Rovi Wade
did come in effect absolutely celebrated that. Where we happier
when queer rights actually happened and gay marriage was actually noticed,
yes and recognized by the country. Yes, we celebrated the
hell out of that. But that's all turning back, especially
since twenty six. So we're a little concerned and unhappy.
(05:57):
We're also the same ones who are probably like, yes
we need to be in quarantine, Yes we need a
mask up. No we're not happy about it. We are
probably all like have acknowledged and actual diagnosed mental health
stuff because we go to therapy, and so therefore we
are unhappy about this situation. But we acknowledge because these
things are happening and they have not been handled. Like,
(06:20):
I know that's personal and I'm going on a rant,
but by God, for the love of Jesus, that you
are correct when we are honest in our opinions. Yeah,
and I think that's a key point. I think both
as you said, context is missing from these numbers if
they're even like accurate, and who did they ask? And yeah,
it's important. Context missing. I think that liberal women and
(06:43):
this this could be a generalization that I've experienced, are
more likely to be honest and to report those kinds
of things. Um. But also, and this is a much
bigger topic. It's a very controversial topic. We've been talking
about doing this episode forever. But I do think that
not a lot of con servative women who really buy
in to the conservative rhetoric of you know, women in
(07:06):
marriage and all that stuff. Um, I think that they're
less likely to admit that they're you know, being a
mother is hard and it's not always perfect or easier'or like,
I think they're less likely to say that, right, And
let's be honest. And I saw an amazing tech talk
the other day, because you know, TikTok, apparently the world
(07:28):
of tech talk, that's my world, that's where I get
my permision just kidding, just kidding, um, but no, like
I've seen so much content and we're actually looking up
and researching about Christian nationalism and what it's doing to women,
um and why there's concerns and and and and understanding,
uh what is happening especially to that group of people.
And and I You and I have two different backgrounds
(07:52):
because though you did come from a very small town, uh,
your mother and father did not intrench you to the
level of Christianity. A lot of other people around you,
as you talked about even um, have gone through and
myself and being told as a women, we are always
being told this anyway, but in general to not show
(08:13):
when you're unhappy, to put on that happy space, to
be demure, to be kind, to be grateful, and never
come outside of that. So there's this whole level when
it comes to women in families, in conservative families, in churches, uh,
specific to things that would be uh you know, an
alignment with Christian nationalism, are told to step back and
(08:35):
then they will suffer if they're too honest, being that
you need to show your gratefulness and if you should
dare to show the truth and take down that mask,
you are sinning against God and your husband. So there's
so many things to this level and this rhetoric that
is so dangerous in itself, because that's also why the
(08:56):
statistics are higher when it comes to domestic violence for
those in what would be like Western religion, and we
see that, and we also see that like in religion
in general, when it's specifically made up by the patriarch,
and it is to hold up a patriarch, that it
is women who suffer for it and told not to
complain and that it is sin to do so. So
(09:19):
there's so many levels to this conversation. One of the
most liberating things that I had when I went turned
away I guess or walked away from religion organized religion
was understanding that the faults they told me I had
and all the things that were wrong with me were
not anything wrong with me. It just was how I
was created. And if this God that they talked about
was so loving kind of the creator, then I should
(09:42):
embrace who I am as long as it is you know,
not harming other people, as in like this was my
survival tactics, This was who I was born to be.
I was like abandoned left and right, abused left and right,
and my strength, my independence, my uh ability to survive
and finally come to the point that I can recognize
myself was what made me who I am and how
(10:05):
I've survived all those years. And then you're telling me
that can't be you anymore. You have to let that
go and become a whole different person for you to
have value in the system. And so many women in
that culture, that's what they learned, that's what they're told,
and that's what they find their value. And to turn
your back to that is just literally spinning in the
face of who you should be. So you're being ungrateful
(10:27):
and like you are a traitor to that lifestyle. So
there's so much to this that I'm like, you are
for kidding. And again, I also wanted to come back
to this point because I'm getting real serious. I know
mhm that his whole beef is not about people being single.
His whole beef is that they're liberal. But they have
to tie that in together because none of this is
(10:49):
talking about being single. None of the articles that he
sent us isn't talking about except for the connected life
via marriage. It's most most of it is about being liberal.
So to that point, I'm like, so what singleness has
to have to do with any addition other than they
are in controlled by family or that traditional lifestyle and
(11:09):
being told if you had these things, you would have
better understand why we're trying to control you more. Right, right,
And we do have episodes coming out on a long
planned on religious trauma. They are coming, we promise, UM
because like to be clear, you know, religion has helped people.
Motherhood's not all bad. These are things, These are the
(11:29):
messages he's saying, Like in this email, the implications of
what he is saying, UM is just so problematic in
a lot of ways. Okay, I don't I want to continue.
(11:58):
So this this person runs a pro patriot, pro masculine,
pro Christian group and dares to ask the question why.
And then there's some numbers that are given about women
getting married later than ever unmarried women. And here's a quote.
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As it turns out, when you turn against God's plan,
you become unhappy. On the contrary, when you embrace God's plan,
the plan of traditional family and children, both men and
women are happier on the whole, you know, which is
funny to me because once again, if you stick by Paul,
(12:39):
Paul says, don't get married. His whole stick was if
you are literally horny, then get married, because how you
don't send But outside of that, they bring you down.
His whole spill is this, which is why he remained unmarried.
But with sonny young boys, thank that for what it is.
But like he had this whole thing, and we know
(13:01):
the majority of the New Testament, which is what is
a big conversation here is literally saying don't get married.
I love that you just well, actually this guy. But
like what's so funny is because if you see the
gospels was telling about Mark, Luke, John uh Matthew, which
by the only only one of them, I believe, what's
(13:22):
the disciple John? Who his whole message, John's holding message
is about love. If you want to go through, His
entire thing is you cannot love. If you don't love,
you're not of God. Like that's exactly what his whole
spiel was. But the other gospels are literally saying this
is the Church, the Father of the Church, and the
Holy Ghost, which is the bride, the husband and the Father.
(13:43):
Like that's the analogy that it comes to supposedly. I
think the translations have been ripped through a lot, and
there's a lot of conversations about this we know within
that world, which I'm not gonna get into, and people
gonna yell at me. Um. But all of that to
say is sure, that's exactly that level of trust. Like
you the father in the the guide you, and the
(14:04):
church is the one that follows Jesus. So that's how
it's supposed to make up the the marriage world, that
type of level, which, by the way, if we want
to talk about it, Jesus was very humble and didn't
do anything to actually hurt the wife or the church.
So you know, that's on the husband who beats them
and cheats on them and or you know, does all
these abusive things. Uh. Jesus did not do that, just
(14:25):
as the little minor um and also did not command.
He never once commanded that you have to do this.
Is that if you love person, then you should do
this again whatever. That's a whole different level, um. But
the fact is, when it came down to Paul's teaching,
which is the rest of the New Testaments outside of
Revelation and all that, um, it was he was actually
(14:47):
not he didn't think marriage was great as in fact,
he kind of made fun of Peter who was Mary
and thought he was a lesser. What that's a whole
different conversation. I'm sure people are at Melia. That's not true.
It's true they had each other. He tried to kill
them until he converted. Just as a reminder, it's been
(15:07):
a lot of times since I read the Bible, so
remember all these But all of this again comes back
to like this whole level, like this is God's intendent purpose.
Not no, not really. I mean in the Old Testament
that happened, and they had multiple wives, and then they
also killed their wives, and also they trapped it into
marriage while raping them, So that happened in the Old Testament. Sure, wow, man,
(15:34):
really really well, actually this guy, I love it. Um.
Our d religious drama episodes are gonna be intense. Oh
I have a lot of thoughts. Yes, well, I love
it um. And then so the email continues and it
has a quote from this survey they got from a EI,
which is a conservative survey by the way, it's a yes,
(15:55):
a conservative yeah, um. And it says, you know, conservatives
Americans who embrace family first values and virtues that steer
them towards wedlock marriage have happier, more fulfilling lives. Um.
And this is especially true for conservative women, this claims
um And here's a quote from the this survey that
they cited. The problem facing liberals, then, is that too
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many of them have embraced the false narrative that the
path to happiness runs counter to marriage and family life,
not towards it. They think independence, freedom, and work will
make them happy, which is why significant portions of the
popular media are filled these days with these stories celebrating
divorce and single man. You know, the secret to happiness
(16:39):
for most men and women involves marriage and a life
based around the family. M part, but like, I love
that he brings out an article from Bloomberg. Uh, and
he's like, in reality, made mothers are richer than the
single women. Like, so there's money talked about it in here.
(17:00):
I'm like, I don't think you know that means yeah, yeah,
and I there's so much in here that I like,
oh boy, we could really pick this apart. Um, I
really do want to do let's let's talk about this
because wow, and we are I'm just going in like
in frantic Modeve like, what is wrong with this, dude?
(17:21):
This is an email we received just to reiterate, Um.
I love that they think independence, freedom and work will
make them happy. I'm like, you obviously have not talked
to one liberal person because they will tell you, no,
we're trying for a four day work week. We would
rather not work. We would or if we're working, we
want to do something that we love and that's hard
to find because there's so many little opportunities for women
(17:44):
and that's why we're unhappy with our job. Yeah, which
we talked about kind of that issue before about women
going to the office and then you're still facing like
all of the sexes. So it's not like it went
away and we could go to work and that Like
that first wave of finism was really revolving around getting
women white women, specifically equal pay, and we still don't
have that. So of course, like we're still frustrated, right,
(18:07):
and we still a little have equity when it comes
to getting any type of rights in general, and there's
still be uh discriminated against for wanting children in the
first place, which, by the way, that's the roadblock and
wanting children room. Yes, oh my gosh, yes, so much
so much stuff. And then it continues. This guy, who
is a student of history, says, the downfall of our
(18:28):
happiness began when the communist platform of Karl Marx and
the feminist revolution started attacking traditional family and capitalism. Oh gosh,
here's a quote from from him directly. The specter of
communism and all of its forms always seeks to disrupt
the nuclear family. This holds true from the Communist Manifesto
to the Thirteen Principles of Black Lives Matter, which both
(18:50):
blatantly seek to disrupt and abolish the Western prescribed nuclear family.
What's the first step? Destroy the head of the nuclear family?
The husband, dan father are mental? Fragile? Does feel pretty man? Oh?
Poor man? And of course the term Western prescribed We
(19:13):
know what that is again, supremacy. We're here, hey, yes,
And he goes on. Carl Marx hated the traditional family,
writing proudly abolition of the family. On what foundation is
the present family? The bourgeoisie family based on capital, on
private gain, and it's completely developed form. This family exists
only among the bourgeoisie. This bourgeoisie family will vanish as
(19:37):
a matter of course, when it's compliment vanishes and both
will vanish with the vanishing of capital. Oh, it's kind
of like a huh oh and speaking of oh my gosh,
Like that's just the word private gain. I'm like, is
that offensive to you that you don't like being told that, yeah,
you're doing this for your own game? Yeah, it doesn't
(20:01):
like it. I love this part um. He quotes the
forty five goals of communism as written into the Congressional
Record of ninety include swee bullet points, discredit the family
as an institution, encourage promiscuity and easy divorce, emphasize the
need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents.
(20:24):
A tribute prejudices, mental blocks, and a word I'm not
gonna save children to suppressive influence of parents. So it's
like blaming the parents, I guess. And women, I mean
it's not said, but implied women be promiscuous and they
can get divorced. So also, this is obviously the last
the attribute to prejudice and mental blocks. This is about
a critical race theory, like that's which is not introduced.
(20:47):
You set up in high school, middle schools, elemented schools,
so that is not a thing. This is why Texas
still thinks that they can never mind. Sorry, Texas, we
love you. But I was told by a person growing
up there, like we didn't have American history. We only
had Texas history. I've been I've heard that too. She act, yeah,
(21:10):
she was tamn. She was like, I didn't know, like
when we were in college talking about any of the things.
I don't think it was anything big, like I'm trying
to think of like Black Wall Street. I learned about
it in college, but it was like a very blip.
I don't think that was even the conversation like things
like that. We didn't even talk about the Skeegee nothing.
It was something like, yeah, this is the United States
(21:31):
and this is what happened. She was like, Oh, I
don't know that because we didn't teach us anything out
of Texas history. Y'all those who are in Texas, is
that's still a thing that we also who grew up
in Texas. Is that the order they are they doing
in American history? But she was very baffled. Yeah, please
right in, please right in. Um. There's certainly like a
lot of ableism going on here, obviously, obviously, UM and
(21:56):
I love it. It It feels very defensive. Again, it feels
very much like they're blaming the parab the poems. And
then to wrap up at the end, is this like
(22:17):
list of questions we could ask for his credit. It's
kind of nice to see, like, all right, you help
do the work. This makes it easy, which is what
he knows. Alright, so here are here's what he knows.
We could ask how did the modern welfare state marginalized
men and make single motherhood attractive? How has the feminist
(22:40):
movement made promises it could never keep. How has vilifying
men and babies impacted our world? Why are conservative women
in traditional marriages on average happier? What does masculinity have
to do with solving this problem? What fallout has the
absence of fathers created in our society? Why is the
(23:00):
black community a model that the Democrat Party would like
to repeat with all people groups. Why are traditional gender
roles and traditional marriage so outrageous to the left? What
is a man's role in resolving this societal problem? His
penis I know, I mean, we're making fun. This is
(23:20):
also offensive, but it's also like, oh, silly, thank you
for this email, dude, because now I know not only
are you a misogynist, not only are you says you
were absolutely racist enable. So everything about you, which, by
the way, this dude got like a really serious injury.
So bro, you should understand about disabilities just a little bit,
(23:43):
but you can't stop yourself and that's why you sell
yourself as an as. Yeah. Oh yeah, I mean again,
I almost thought this was a joke when I got
this email. I was like, surely not the vilifying babies
that is. I'm mean, some babies are evil, that's what
(24:04):
tell me. That's what I see. But no, like, I
honestly as one of those who actually worked to try
to what he would say, to save a traditional family
because I worked in suburban areas, small rural Georgia areas,
which is predominantly made up of literally like low income
white families, and those are the families that I worked with,
and I'm telling you what, I got some really fun,
(24:26):
amazing reactions from them. I was trying to save them.
I was trying to sure to help them, I will
say that, but you know what, they have no help
from those who seek to tell them that they need
to do better, and also who seek to tell them
that it's not their fault. Is obviously the black community
who's becoming the role model of the Democratic Party, which man,
I really wish if you could follow suit to all
(24:48):
the black women who have created such an amazing route
and path for us, that would be phenomenal. That's part
of the problem. We're not actually following that model, right right, Yeah,
Oh my gosh, that's why I'm unhappy. Like I said,
we have a lot of reason to be unhappy. I
think he's missing that point. That's like one of the
key points. I also love that he's talking about all
(25:11):
these things that have been literal roadblocks that the Republican
Party uses, and or the Conservative Party, the families First
party um as they would like to think themselves because
they don't really care about other families, just their family, um.
But they are the reason why these roadblocks are happening.
(25:33):
The movement made promises it could never keep because you're
roadblocking everything right exactly exactly, And it's also one of
those things are clearly like, as a white man, I'm
sure you felt very happy and comfortable like and surely everyone,
like everyone in my life, this is their best time
(25:56):
right too. And if it's not, it's because of feminism
um or the black like whatever it is. Um. He's
just very clearly focused on himself and his own world
views and has not even thought to think beyond that. Yes. Again, also,
they're so out of touch that they sent us a request.
(26:19):
That's how little they're aware of their surroundings and how
they little they care about who they're talking I thought
about that too. I was like, this is you're kind
of by sending this to us, you're proving exactly what
we're talking right. Yeah, it's kind of like, oh yeah, sure,
these ladies they love to talk about they'd love to
(26:40):
talk to me about this essentially like oh women, mom, yeah,
got him there in let's do those the lack of
self awareness, I love it. Yes, um yeah, I mean
we could, like you said, we could pick part every
line of this. We won't, but like again, we I
(27:01):
know we've talked about this before, but just to like
wrap up, this is really funny and it's fun to imagine,
like you or I have so much power and finism
has so much power that he's like it's ruining society
trying we're trying to credit. I know you're giving us
so much credit to be honest, like we've done a
lot um, but it's always funny to hear these where
(27:24):
I'm like, that's whatever the conservatives will take, like we're
trying to ruin society. They don't take this run with it.
I can't wait. But also, and also coming back to
like part of our conversations, we're not ragging on motherhood
or family a life, because that's beautiful when it's done
correctly and when you are happy and it is all equal,
(27:47):
it is a gorgeous thing. Say, and that's what you
love if you love being a stay at home mom
taking care of your house, and have it this agreement
that you have fully communicated, wonderful that I am so
excited for that. But that's the whole is that we
want to be able to have the choice to live
the life that we choose, yes, point blank exactly, and
having the freedom to do so, and being happy to
(28:07):
do so without harming others exactly exactly. So yeah, I mean,
this was quite a funny thing to pick through, but
it is still very frightening and toxic that people believe this.
So I hope you had a good laugh, like I
said at the top, but it's like infuriating and funny
(28:29):
cringe pause, funny question mark. I had to read it
like three times before I was like, oh my gosh,
I guess this is real. Um okay, but yeah, listeners.
If you have any thoughts about this, I'm sure that
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