Monday Mini: Title IX

Anney and Samantha talk college and Title IX updates.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephan
never told your production of I Heart Radio. Okay, so
I have a question for you. What is it? Uh?

(00:25):
It kind of has nothing to do with what we're
going to talk about, however, somewhat related. Um, what is
your best memory of college? Oh? My best memory of college? Well,
if it has to be on campus, because I did

(00:48):
get to travel a lot to college. I got to
because I had to intern every summer in different countries,
so that was probably my favorite. Um, and particularly when
I was in China, that was probably my absolute favorite.
But on campus, UM, I had a my one of
my best friends who we met at college, Katie. Um.
We had a standing date on Fridays where we'd go

(01:10):
to Laporea and I would always get the the and
and then I would go We would go to Atlanta Station,
which was a movie theater is still there, uh, near
our campus, and you got a student discount so you
could see movies for like three bucks and we would
go see it. I mean it could have been we
saw every every resident evil like not good movies, Samantha. Um,

(01:33):
but I loved it. Um. As you can probably tell
from that story, I did not party hard in college.
Georgia Tech is not a school that allows for that.
But then I also I planned this event, this really
big event called Global Village, and I'm really proud of it. Um,
because it was very difficult, required a lot of work.

(01:54):
I had to fight with the university president. Um, it
was in the paper. I'm proud of it. Yeah. Nice.
So you also were on some committees and did a
lot of activities. Oh yeah, um, and I was a
big event planner. I've helped plan a lot of a
lot of events, and funnily enough, Georgia Tech does is

(02:15):
a huge Earth Day celebration. Um. I want a microwave
at it that I still use. Uh. But I helped
planet one year and the company that I current that
I went on to work for that well, it's confusing
because our company has been bought so many times. But
how Stuff Works was a sponsor and I have a
shirt I got from Earth Day that says how Stuff Works.

(02:36):
And then I went on to work for them, and
here I am there it is. Yeah, I'm trying to
think of my memories. See ruled every one about questions
you asked, Samantha, is no that you have to know
your own answer. Yeah, I don't because I wasn't a
party or either. That's the that's the biggest part to
that is like I don't have that. But I will

(02:57):
say so. I lived in a small house after my
freshman year with several of my friends, and one of
the best things we ever did we would have like
community dinners, and we would always invite someone over every
Thursday and to have a dinner with our people to
get to know them better or like to share. And

(03:17):
I missed those. I guess I missed a little more
of those because we don't do it now, and it
really wasn't on any committees. I think I was really boring.
I was very religious, so I did those types of
activities rather than on campus stuff. So it's kind of
interesting that I I wonder what would happen today I

(03:38):
was on campus if I was a college student. Do
you ever think about that all the time? Because I
actually loved college, but I hated homework, like I liked
going to classes, UM, and I was a pretty big
like I love the subjects I was studying, and I
loved my friends, and I loved the campus even though
it was always under construction. UM. But I didn't get

(04:01):
to really enjoy it because Georgia Tech infamously well I
don't know, they give you so much homework so much,
like you'd be reading hundreds of pages and still get
a freaking thirty on the test. Like it was ridiculous,
and the highest grade is at thirty two. That is
a true story. Yeah, I've had many tests I had
to be on curves because the highest score was less

(04:22):
than fifty. Yeah, and I'm just I'm not I'm not
a person who is ever good at that because I
wanted it to be a good grade and not because
it was curved. Like I I'm so competitive and I
just couldn't let it go. So I had to come
up with these like new ways of studying, which I
found really helpful. And it involved a lot of outlines,
which probably surprises no one given how we do this show.

(04:45):
Not at all. Well, that's what I always say when
people ask, because I didn't go into what I studied, Um,
well then you know what what did you learn? What
did you take away? And I said, the biggest thing
I took away from my college experience is work ethic. Um,
I can I can get the job done. I like it.

(05:09):
So today we're not necessarily talking about college per se,
but more of a policy we've already talked about. We
wanted to revisit the changes of Title nine, which went
into effect in August of this year, just in case,
you know, someone decides to study us for historical purposes
laid down the road. But it seems not quite surprising.

(05:31):
We may be lacking some slash a lot of information
due to the pandemic um as many colleges have continued
with online learning or have had to backtrack because of
the continued outbreaks, specifically on campuses, and there's not a
lot of concrete data as to the results of the
changes of Title nine. And we have seen is how

(05:52):
different campuses have been implying the new changes and how
the new administration is going to have to prepare to
start making changes of their own after the massive overhaul
completed by current Secretary of Education Betsy divosse Uh And
just first, we wanted to review some of the changes
imposed as of August um and under the new changes,
representative of a student accused of sexual assault is allowed

(06:14):
to cross examine their accusers in real time, and also
it limited the definition of sexual harassment to behavior that
as quote, severe, pervasive, and objectively offensive as before it was,
or which allowed for a stricter definition with the three
specific requirements. They also reversed me of the Obama era changes,

(06:35):
including reversing of the trans bathroom law and the elimination
of the practices of discriminatory discipline action, which required schools
to look at how more likely marginalized youth were targeted
for severe disciplinary actions in the schools. Yeah, so what
has been happening since then? Like we mentioned at the beginning,
we don't have too much data of cases that have

(06:57):
been presented or effected since the new requirements of Title
nine implemented by DeVos, but there are several factors to
consider it. First, again, timing, like we mentioned, because of
the pandemic, a lot of campuses have been either closed
or very limited, although we do know there have been
reports of gatherings happening at the beginning of the campuses
being reopened. But also we need to consider that it's

(07:19):
only been three months and we know the process of
filing can actually take a while, and speaking of the
ability to file a complaint is something we need to consider.
Add to that, the new requirements leads to the burden
of proof, which limits the likelihood of a victim filing
it to begin with. So perhaps the effectiveness of lessening
complaints are making it harder to file is as good
as intended. So let's also talk about lingering cases, meaning

(07:43):
open cases that happened before the changes of Title nine.
There have been a lot of questions about cases that
still remain open and follow under all Title nine guidelines
UH and not surprisingly, many defendants have tried to appeal
to have the new Title nine standards as requirements to
their cases. But cases like versus Winslaer Polytechnic Institute, which
began January, the ruling stated that the hearing would continue

(08:06):
and conclude under the old Title nine standards. UM, and
there's a lot of cases still under investigation preduvas. So
with that talking about whether or not they can change
how it is filed and if it has that requirement
under the new standards, and they're still back and forth
about if this ruling can stand for all schools and

(08:27):
schools around the country have adapted as required by the
current administration, but also have continued with past required committees
and campus organizations under the Obama era Title nine requirements.
Schools like the University of San Diego. I've made sure
to let students know that though the news standards of
Title nine have been implemented, complaints that are outside of
the quote current Title nine threshold would be considered under

(08:50):
the existing I. E. Obama era standards and protocols, and
many other schools have followed suit. As for whether it
has been honored, little information is out there right um,
and so what does that mean for the future? With
the new administration coming, there's quite a bit of conversation
about what the future holds, and specifically with the Department

(09:13):
of Education. UH Bessy divorce was one of the bigger
trends after the projected win of Biden Harris. Many celebrated
the new administration, including that there will be a new
Secretary of the d OE. There's a lot of speculation
and a as to who will be the pointee, but
there's nothing concrete as of yet. Yes, and I suppose

(09:33):
we should say it is November ninety uh journey journey UM.
Biden has promised a big change with education and many
have celebrated knowing the first Lady is an educator herself
and has even stated she would continue her current work
even after her husband is in office. One of the
big changes will be to reverse the changes made by
devorce to the Obama era of Title nine and educational funding.

(09:58):
Ah yeah, and some speculating it that everything will return
to the previous Title nine regulations by two But as
per usual, time will only tell We're not going to
try to predict anything anymore because we have been, you know,
way not in that arena. Like we've been way out
of that estimate. You know. It's really funny. As I

(10:19):
remember the other day, as I said on a recent podcast,
I do think about our Hellow episode quite a bit,
and I remember we said in there, a lot of people,
a lot of articles I was reading, said I don't
like to predict things because I'm always wrong. And I'm like,
I see now right, I think everybody is holding their breath,

(10:40):
but definitely looking at what Title and I would do.
And just to put in there, no, your Title nine
rights the organization, Uh in the a c L you
did file a suit against Bessie Divas and they actually lost,
as in it was dismissed completely, so it wasn't even
heard about whether or not it was unconstitutional or against
UH victim rights. So we'll see what happens, because there's

(11:03):
also I think two or three more suits file against them,
but it doesn't look like it would be likely that
it would go forward. Yeah, yeah, so we'll we'll keep
an eye on that UM and in the meantime, our listeners,
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