Period Pride

In the 1970s, Germaine Greer encouraged women to taste their own menstrual blood. These days, artists are creating work about periods to help erase the menstruation stigma. Cristen and Caroline look at the evolution of period pride and discuss whether the in-your-face attitude is actually helping.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to stuff Mom never told you from House Top works,
not come hello and welcome to the podcast. I'm Kristen
and I'm Caroline, and I feel like we should offer
a disclaimer right now that if anyone is uncomfortable with
the discussion of menstrill blood, this might not be the

(00:25):
episode for you. I hope they would have picked up
on that by looking at the title and description of
the episode first Period Pride, Well, maybe someone might think
that it's a grammar oriented episode of No More Semi
Colon's Period Bride. Well, yeah, and not putting two spaces
after the period, you just put one. WHOA, Okay, that's

(00:45):
a little bit controversy. We are we're getting. We're not
going to go that far. Nobody's using typewriters anymore. People
just use one space and Caroline. I also feel like
I'm not qualified to even be talking about Pierre as
in menstrual not grammatical pride, because I'm not currently on
my period hashtag t M I because I really feel

(01:08):
like part of period pride is being loud and proud
about when aunt flow and why is it your aunt
ps comes and knocking. I don't know, I guess it's
because your mom is always there, so it can't be
like my flow, or maybe mom's working. Moms working, so
aunt flows in town. But aunt flows like the aunt.

(01:29):
She's not really your aunt. She's like your mom's friend
who just comes around a lot, you know, so she's
not literally your biological aunt. Yeah. We recently saw a
hashtag pop up that was live tweet your period, right,
that wasn't that's not brand new? Is it brand new? Now?
It's not brand new. It's been around, but it really
hit the mainstream when the New York Times covered it. Oh,

(01:52):
you like most things in June. Yeah, the New York
Times made it official, which was I mean, which was
incredible to see that in the New York Times was
covering hashtag live tweet your period. And we're going to
get to live tweeting your period because there is some
interesting stuff that folks have to say about that, and

(02:13):
also funny stuff that folks have live tweeted about their periods.
But can we briefly talk about periods in the nineteen
seventies radical feminist period, the period period. Yeah. I feel
like Germaine Greer was kind of the original period pride
leader because in her vook the female eunuch. She wrote, quote,

(02:39):
if the idea makes you sick, you've got a long
way to go, baby. And the idea, friends, that Greer
is talking about is tasting your own menstrual blood. Yeah,
I had to have a moment. I've read that before
and and every time I've read it, I have to
take a moment and think, like, am I really my
self hater? Do I hate women? Do I my body

(03:00):
if I don't want to taste my menstrual blood? And
then I thought of all of the other things that
come out of my body on a regular basis, whether
it's regular blood, not that I'm bleeding all the time,
whether it's regular blood or sweat or like, yeah, who
knows what. It's not like I go around putting that
on sandwiches either. So I'm so glad for that, Caroline.

(03:21):
So I don't feel like that necessarily signals a discomfort
with my body. But German Gree, I get what you're saying.
But our bodies ourselves, which came out originally in made
a great point about not necessarily needing to see what
your own menstrual blood tastes like, but embracing your body

(03:42):
and all of its fluids that naturally occur um so
in our bodies, ourselves. It says, quote ignorance and certainty,
even at worst, shame about our physical selves create in
us an alienation from ourselves that keeps us from being
the whole people we could be. Yeah. I get behind
that absolutely. And it seems like Caroline, in the past

(04:04):
couple of years, a lot of people who have periods
have really been embracing that our bodies, ourselves ethos of
period pride. We were talking to some women um last
week actually, and periods came up, and someone commented, it

(04:24):
seems like menstruation is really having a moment right now,
and everyone said yes. It seems like everywhere returned, especially
on the Internet. There is some kind of viral post,
there's a hashtag, there's a controversial Instagram photo detailing frankly
the occurrence of menstruation. Yeah, and it seems like this

(04:46):
is a wave that we've been riding. Do you see
what I Yeah? I like that, Like you got that.
It seems like we've been writing this for a couple
of years now. It really sort of hit the media
big time in because a couple of the things happened.
It was like critical period mass um a period of
critical period mass right period period period uh no, double

(05:10):
space after um. One of the great things that came
out of this was Hello Flows camp Gino commercial, which
went live in July and has since been viewed more
than ten point four a million times, And it's really cute. Um.
It's if you haven't seen it already, it's featuring this
girl who she's the first girl at camp to get
her period. She becomes sort of a little tyrant handing

(05:31):
out tampons and pads to people, and then she's dethroned
because you have the Hello Flow company that sends these
care packages full of not only uh period products like
tampons and stuff, but also candy. It's you can get
a little care package basically. And so it was very
cute and it was refreshing lee not shocking, but just

(05:52):
kind of refreshingly open in the way that it was like, oh,
it actually uses the words vagina period. The little girl
calls her period the red badge of courage, which is hilarious. Yeah.
Before that, I don't think I had ever seen such
a public celebration of monarchy. Yeah. And then on the
heels of that, in October, a feminist rap trio with

(06:14):
the PG thirteen name hand Job Academy came out with
a parody period that's hard to say at all. Parody
period rap video called Shark Week came out, blew up
the Internet. All of the lady blogs were blogging and
reblogging it, and sample lyrics for instance and include things

(06:35):
like bleeding since eleven and it feels like a werewolf
is living in my unus, which I love, which I love,
and it's and it's wonderful, and that you know, women
women talking about their periods and being in your face
about their periods and trying to get people to get
over the quick factor of periods is nothing new, but

(06:56):
this is definitely a new medium. You know, the rap
music rap well, the viral rap music video the internet
and viral rap music by ladies. And then another bit
of imagery that people sort of freaked out about, which
happened in October as well, was artist and photographer Petrick
Collins drawing it was an illustration, not a photo. It

(07:19):
was suggestive of a woman on her period masturbating, and
so American Apparel put that on a T shirt and
it went viral. A ton of people saw it, and
a ton of people freaked out about it. Yeah, I
don't know how many of those shirts American Apparel actually
sold because people seemed universally freaked out at the thought

(07:41):
of even seeing this imagery, much less wearing it. But
if anything, they succeeded in making a lot of headlines.
As American Apparel sweet probably all know, has been pretty
good at doing for better or worse. So what's going
on though with all of these exam amples of this
more in your face period talk. Well, don't just take

(08:05):
it from us, you can take it from the creators
of all of this media going on. So, for instance,
if we look at hand Job Academy, Um Salon talked
to them about their Shark Week video and when Salon
spoke to Clear Withdrawl a k a. Clear Business in
the rap group, she said that it was meant to

(08:27):
clash with what she called the breast cancer pink azation
of culture, and she goes on to say, quote everything
is kind of pinteresty. You can't say vagina, you say
the j J or the Jazzle. So I mean, from
that perspective, there was a desire to just speak frankly
about how periods work and happen and get messy and

(08:52):
usually involve your vagina right, and not have to be
cutesy about it or high behind that pink azation as
she calls it. And actually, like you said, just be
frank about the fact that, oh yeah, my body does this.
And talking about her illustration, Petrock Collins told Vice that
with your period, it's something that you can seal. No
one's supposed to know. It's almost pedophilic. And I don't

(09:14):
want to throw that word around, but this feminine ideology
we have of the woman being a pre pubescent girl
is how we're taught to change our bodies. And so
here you just have people who are saying, we've got
to get over this idea that women are like these
squeaky clean robots who don't ever have any sort of

(09:35):
bodily function happening. Well, and speaking of squeaky clean, I
think it's also too targeting that idea of periods as
dirty and shameful. Um. And when it comes to monarchy.
With the Hello Flow campaign, not I'm a bloom who
found it. Hello Flow told the Hairpin about the making

(09:55):
of that commercial quote, I just wanted to talk about
a true thing that happens to make an ad that
women would actually recognize themselves in to show that the
reality of periods is not this hidden, sanitized things where
girls are wearing white pants and riding horses in a meadow,
which reminds me of the classic imagery in tampon or

(10:17):
maxipad commercials, where to show how absorbent it is, they
pour what is this blue liquid? Yeah, you don't. You
don't have blue liquid coming out of you. I should
go to the doctor. I think I might. And of
course the reason why the liquid is blue and not
red is because again, period blood has been considered obscene

(10:38):
and not just on television, but even on social media.
And speaking of which, period power got quite a jolt
of energy or moon energy from your moon cycle in
thanks to Instagram. Yeah So. Artists Ruby Kaur posted a
picture on Instagram that basically featured It was a woman

(11:01):
lying in bed um and you could see her. She's
facing away from you, and you can see that she
has period blood on the back of her pants and
then there's also a stain on the sheets. And Instagram
took it off not once, but twice, and the artist
is like, yeah, I I knew that this would happen
and this is exactly what I wanted, and so it

(11:23):
created a huge stink and people sort of took up
the cause for for her, and Instagram apologized, they reposted
the pics, and Ker responded, thank you Instagram for providing
me with the exact response. My work was created to
critique when your pages are filled with countless photos and
accounts where women, so many of whom are under age,

(11:44):
are objectified, portified, and treated less than human. Thank you.
And really with that, it seemed like, especially when we
go from more of an illustration, more of a jokey
thing in the vein of a Shark Week or even
Camp Gino, we've now entered a new and more frank

(12:07):
phase of period pride because that photo actually shows a
woman on her period. So in two thousand and two
thousand fourteen, it seems like the groundwork was laid for
today's period pride that is now the stuff of Internet virality.

(12:28):
I feel like we see so regularly any kind of
visual oriented post having anything to do with menstruation that
automatically blows up in social media gets a million shares,
and so people are creating this stuff even more and
online media outlets, I think you're looking for it even

(12:49):
more so. For example, over at BuzzFeed, Sammy Main and
Dan Meth got together and created something called good Night Mensies,
which of course is a play on the children book
good Night Moon. And they essentially took the illustrations and
the structure of good Night Moon and made it menstruation

(13:11):
themed and it's kind of adorable. But the fact that
they're making this specifically for BuzzFeed, I think speaks to
how periods have gone viral. Yeah, yeah, I don't think
both feed does anything that's not shareable in some way. Um,
But artist Georgia Gibson did her own photography project which

(13:32):
I think is fantastic, which also went viral, and it
features pads and tampons with red glitter and it's so stunning.
It's so visually stunning because it combines like, oh, sparkly glitter,
which is so like you know, glitter is always like
cutesie and unicorns and stuff, with just the idea of

(13:53):
periods and menstruation and so Gibson says, the title of
the piece, I Don't only have glitter my Veins, was
originally inspired by a boy who would compliment me on
all of these silly things like you're so pretty you
have glitter in your veins. But he would only focus
on pretty aspects of women and not their whole identity.
So what a great way to sort of combine these

(14:14):
ideas of the cutesie and the pretty and the sterile
and the sanitized with like, oh, hey, I have periods
and you need to deal with it. Yeah, So here's
here's some sample text. Good Night, laptop and sweatpants, good
Night to the lamp, good night, pitiful bed nest where
you suffered through cramps, good Night blanket chucking you in,
Goodnight eve for this original sin, good night stars, good

(14:37):
night air, good night noises everywhere. I'd read that to
some child. I'm not a parent, but you know, well,
you know, if a if a friend of yours is
on her period, you can call her up Skyper, FaceTime
or reader, good night mencies, right, might he's the pain? Yeah, hush, hush, Now,
let me read this, this this story to you of

(14:58):
of your period. Put away y'all cheetos, y'all sweatpant Let's
me read do you well? So they're not the only
ones talking about periods in a really kind of funny
and cute way that ends up going viral. You've also
got artist Georgia Gibson who did a photography project called
I Don't Only Have Glitter in My Veins and it

(15:18):
features um really shiny, sparkly red glitter on things like
tampons and pads, and she was saying that she was
inspired by a guy who would compliment compliment her all
the time, saying silly things like you're so pretty, you
have glitter in your veins. But she says he would
only focus on pretty aspects of women and not their

(15:39):
whole identity, and so it is sort of visually arresting,
not in the way that like petrock collins illustration is
visually arresting, but just like seeing something that's like red
glitter that's so frequently associated with you know, crafting and
magical girliness and have it be read and have it
beyond tampons and pads. I think it's it's an excellent
um jack to position, And honestly, it has me wondering why,

(16:04):
you know, glittery menstrual products don't exist. I mean, I
know the answer is you don't want glitter stuck in
your vulva because you can never get glitter off. You
really can't. I mean, a glitter tampon is a horrible idea,
but so cute. Maybe a glittery rapper, Yeah, it could
be nice. And then everyone would know that you're on

(16:27):
your period because you have a little glitter hands glass
half fall. It would still be the silent rapper, though,
because God forbid a woman in the stall next you
knows that you're having your period. Yeah. Well, another artist
too who got some internet fame using her period blood
as Jen Lewis, who kind of went Germaine greer with

(16:51):
her project. She used menstrual blood and then suspended it
in liquid and took photos of it. It's beautiful, Yeah,
I mean it is beautiful because she was saying she
got the idea she was using a menstrual cup and
was emptying it out and sort of got the idea
of like, oh look how it how it is in

(17:12):
the water. It just like goes in and spreads out.
It's kind of like paint. Wait a second. And I
do think that these different kinds of projects that are
playing with either actual menstrual blood or the idea of
menstruation and all the cultural baggage it has are serving
a good purpose of normalizing this thing that even still

(17:34):
is so taboo that a lot of people still feel
a lot of shame and hesitation around in a way
that isn't as I think, unnecessarily shocking, as say, showing
an illustration of you know, someone masturbating on their period,
which is clearly intended more to shock than educate, I

(17:57):
would argue, Yeah. And I think the overall or underlying whichever,
the underlying tone of a lot of this is that
people are just sort of fed up at the idea of,
like you said, periods being gross, periods being dirty, periods
being secret, that you should be ashamed somehow that you
know it makes you crazier, limits your ability as a

(18:17):
woman to function. Um. And that's why you get people
like the fabulous women behind Dear Kate's underwear and thinks
period panties, um, people who are just saying, like, no,
this is a thing that happens. This is a natural
part of your body that just happens, and so let's
find a great way to deal with it and not
have to stop what we're doing, not have to worry

(18:39):
about throwing our underwear out or staining our pants or
anything like this. Let's let's function within it and not
try to avoid it, all of which I think are
fantastic initiatives, which leads us full circle to hashtag live
tweet your period, which, yes, it is a legit hashtag,
like we said, The New York Times covered it, and

(19:02):
Jenna Wortham, writing about it um for The Times, wrote,
on the surface, the hashtag seems like little more than
communal commiseration, but to me it felt like something bigger,
a micro protest against a modern paradox. Social media is
saturated with images of hyper sexualized women, but these are

(19:23):
rarely considered a scandalous as the content that dares to
reveal how a woman's body actually functions. Yeah, and so
you get tweets like scientific fact salt and vinegar chips
taste forty six percent better when you're on your period.
Another one, which is totally a sympathetic tweet, is oh
my god, my FFing uterus hashtag live tweet your period

(19:46):
or these ovaries eight loyal hashtag live tweet your period. Honestly,
if you are ever on your period and are feeling
bummed about it, just google that hashtag and just read through,
because it really I mean there is that can no
commiseration aspect of it, and also the hilarity of that
sometimes ensues with life on your period. Sure, well, I

(20:08):
you know, I have an I U D. And so
I don't necessarily get a period every month. It's it's
it's funny. Uh. Sometimes I get a really heavy one,
sometimes I don't get one at all. Sometimes it's light.
So it's like the Goldilocks of periods. Um. But I
can always tell that someone's common because I will suddenly
be hoovering up And I hate to be a stereotype.

(20:31):
I hate it. But I'm suddenly hoovering up anything that
is chocolate or salty, like like I've wanted it, like
I've never wanted anything before in my life. Well, Caroline,
I mean it is a scientific fact, per cent ter,
So if you can send me a bag of salton
vinegar chips followed by like a pack of Hershey Bars
or something, or any any chocolate. Well, and speaking of

(20:53):
I U D s, I gotta tell you a Caroline,
because of mine, I've had mine long enough that I
never really ever ever have a period. So I honestly
felt a little bit left out when I was reading
all of this stuff about period bride and live tweeting
your period, and look at all this stuff for periods.

(21:13):
I'm like, well, I don't even I don't even really
have one anymore, which I'm pumped about. Don't get me wrong,
I love that about my Marina. But at the same time,
I mean, maybe I just like fake tweet my period.
That okay, a period poser, that's okay. What's the what's
the quote on the internet, no one knows you're a dog?
I think that you know, on the internet, nobody knows

(21:34):
you don't have a period. You go just it's fine,
be part of the community. So what do we think
about this in the grander scheme of things? Um and Freedman,
whom we say all the time, and he was also
one of the leading commentators on millennial ladydom these days.

(21:56):
And I really hope that if someone like informs her
that I said that, that she takes it as a
compliment and not an insult, because I love her writing
and all of her insights. Um And one thing that
has jumped out to me though with and Friedman's work
is how pro period she is in the sense of saying,
let's get real sometimes periods are awful and debilitating and

(22:18):
acknowledging that is okay and it should be okay. Yeah.
I love her personal nightmare pie chart that's split up
into basically fears fears that a company your period, and
a quarter is getting attacked by a shark because we
are leaking period blood in the water. Another quarter of
the pie is getting period blood on the passenger seat

(22:41):
of a crush his car. And then there are a
couple of other ones. What are the other ones getting
period blood on a bar stool, getting period blood on
a friend's couch, and then finally getting period blood on
alone remaining fair underwear with how period says, which I've
been there, you know, because sometimes you get busy, but

(23:01):
obviously that was in my my pre pre Marina days. Well,
while you have somebody like Ann Friedman who is saying
periods are normal, but it's also okay to not like
your period or to be like so over it and
what it does to your underwear, um, you've got somebody
like Amanda Hess at Slate who in offered a slightly
different perspective. She said menstruation has been stigmatized as gross

(23:25):
and embarrassing for so long that it's only natural to
want to fight back with roaring pride, But trumping up
the act of menstruating as a source of power only
gives fuel to the detractors who hope to define us
by our bodies. And I get it. I read I
read Hess's Peace, um and I and I understand the

(23:45):
idea of like, hey, guys, there's there's no need to
trump up your period as a powerful act because most
people who have periods are getting them regardless. It's not
like a feminist active like this month, I'm going to
have one, and I'm going to be a better feminist
for it. On the other hand, I absolutely support the

(24:07):
idea of like, no, we're going to talk about this
and talk about it and talk about it and tweet
about it and text about it until people are just
not so grossed out by it. Yeah. I think if anything,
it's really dismantling that shame and dirtiness factor around it.
I mean, we haven't even touched on and aren't going
to go into detail on period sex for instance, about

(24:31):
how if a woman is on her period, like that's
just such a big deal as to whether or not
her partner or even she is comfortable with her even
being naked in bed and enjoying sexual pleasure, which I
think is uh. It has been personally and also were

(24:55):
publicly disheartening because it's like, why why does this why
should this thing disqualify us from that one week out
of every month because it's dirty. No, it's not. It
shouldn't be considered something that doesn't belong in the bedroom. Well, then,
I mean we also have to mention the fact that

(25:15):
menstruation isn't every woman's experience. That's true and and not
just And we don't just mean you know, women who
are post menopausal who no longer get a period. We're
also talking about um, trans women who don't get periods,
and so the idea there's there's definitely a criticism there
of the idea that menstruation equates to true womanhood, because

(25:41):
that's it's just not true. Um, I don't think that
you are defined as a woman. I don't think you're
defined by menstruation right well, and by extension too, you
have trans men who have periods, so by that virtue, obviously,
periods don't equal real womanhood um in absolute terms either.

(26:02):
And I think that that's where where the line starts
to get crossed with period pride. I'm all for period
pride in terms of embracing, reclaiming, and destigmatizing menstruation, but
to then take it this step further and make it
part of identity, I think is where we get into
the troubled waters, so to speak, troubled shark infested water.

(26:27):
Troubled shark infested waters. Absolutely well, Caroline. In the process
of recording this podcast, I have been internally confronting I
think some of my my own period nervousness because I
feel like we've gone more t M I and Frank
in this episode than we have and probably most stuff

(26:47):
I've never told you episodes. I mean, we've talked about
our own personal periods and experiences with that, our period
underwear thoughts on period sex so personal. I'll even tell
another period underwear story. All right, I go for I
have this great pair of green undis that I love.
Um they're great, bright green, but I never wear them
because they have a stain on them. And I just

(27:09):
happened to wear them at one point. My boyfriend was like, Oh,
those are so cute. I've never seen those before. Why
don't you wear them? And I was like, um, I
guess they're just always in the laundry. Uh so so
much like so much period embarrassment. They're wrapped up in
those underpants. So what do you think is the best
way then to show your period pride? Well, you could

(27:31):
take a cueue from Mesopotamian women who painted conception spell
dolls with their minstrual blood. I was going to do
that this weekend. And that is to say, maybe we
could all take a cue from some of the artists
and people who are creating some interesting period art. Carolina,

(27:52):
are you going to open up a period art at
two store? I feel like I feel like you got
a little glimmer in your eye. Well, no, that's the thing, Kristen,
Like I said, with my eye, you do you never know? See,
I wouldn't be like I'm not I'm not a reliable
source of administruation. Yeah, neither ofm I I'm not reliable
at all. Well, I guess maybe we need to hear
from more reliable sources of administration. Listeners, that's you, what

(28:15):
do you think about period pride? And I also want
to hear from people who don't have periods, who have
never experienced periods about this whole period pride thing. Does
it totally weird you out? Mom Stuff at how stuff
works dot com is our email address, and if you
want to tweet us, you can do that at mom
Stuff podcast or messages on Facebook. And we've got a

(28:38):
couple of non period related messages to share with you
right now. Well, I have a letter here from Lacy
on our Bisexual Erasure series. Uh. She says, I was
struck by the advice columnist who told a married bisexual
woman to essentially stay in the closet. Of course, Lacey's

(28:59):
are referring to the Dear Prudence column that Kristen and
I talked about in an episode number one. Um. She says,
although I absolutely agreed that no one should have the
right to tell someone else whether to come out or not,
in some ways I can see where she was coming from.
I'm a bisexual woman who came out to most people
in my life when I was twenty two and single.
Nine years later, I'm married a man. My husband knew

(29:20):
I was bisexual from the start, and we talked about
it on our first couple of dates. However, and now
that we're married, it's true that my bisexual identity is
mostly invisible. Were monogamous, most of the world assumes him straight,
and I'm sure some of the people that I came
out to have written off my bisexuality as a phase.
I think some family members are even relieved that because
I married a man, they will never have to explain

(29:41):
or defend my more complicated identity to acquaintances, coworkers, and strangers.
While bisexual erature is very real, I feel somewhat irritated
by the implication that bisexual people have an obligation to
come out because of it. I felt compelled to come
out fairly widely when I was single because a I
didn't want people to be shocked if I started dating
a woman, and be I wanted folks to know I

(30:02):
was open to meeting and entering into romantic relationships with
people of any gender. But now that I'm married, I
do not come out as frequently as I used to.
In particular, my husband's family and friends do not know
that I'm bisexual, and I may not ever tell them.
This mostly has to do with privacy. I know some
of these people I haven't told harbor prejudice and assumptions
about queer people, and would likely be troubled by a

(30:22):
whole string of stereotypes about bisexuals that just don't apply
to me. I'm not going to leave my husband for
a woman. We do not have threesomes, et cetera. I
don't feel as if it should be my responsibility to
take it upon myself to educate these people about what
bisexuals are quote unquote really like, because this ties into
my private life and my past, which I should be
able to disclose only as into whom I see fit. Ultimately,

(30:45):
the choice to come out or to keep coming out
is always a personal one. I have told the people
in my life who need to know the whole met
my husband, my friends, my families. I don't feel like
I'm hiding if I don't tell every acquaintance I come across,
if I don't share other intimate details of my life
with them, why should I feel a duty to share this?
So thank you, Lazy Well. I also have a letter
here on our bio Ratiare podcast from someone who would

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like to remain anonymous, who writes as a bisexual woman.
I've become accustomed to assumptions, generalizations, and uncomfortable questions once
I've come out as bisexual. Actually quite recently, my roommate
and I were having a conversation and they said that
since I'm a bisexual woman currently in a relationship with
a man, that I'm no longer bisexual. On another occasion,

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at a party, a woman who I don't know trying
to force herself on me once she found out I
was bisexual, despite very clearly attending the party with my
own significant other. It's uncomfortable experiences such as these that
make being bisexual unique challenge all on its own. Not
being recognized by many communities only makes it more difficult
due to the lack of a strong community and recognition

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that bisexuals deserve within the broad spectrum that is sexuality.
And it's by no means trivializes any of the struggles
of those who identify as any other sexualities, but it's
fantastic to get some recognition and understanding on a larger scale.
So thank you so much ladies for doing this podcast,
and thank you everyone for sharing your insights with us.

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