SMNTY Classics: The Craft

We're the weirdos, mister. In this classic episode, Anney and Samantha revisit the 1996 cult classic The Craft, and dig into the themes of witches, community and the power and pitfalls of female friendship. Relax, it's only magic!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff.
I never told you protection of iHeart Radio. So October
is over and that means we should probably stop talking
about which is for now. But we did have all

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more classes. It's gonna be a Christmas which Oh my gosh,
is there chrisms Witch there? You're right, Yes, you're right,
You're absolutely right. Oh my gosh. Okay, I'm gonna look
into that. But I couldn't. It was like, I just
couldn't leave the craft out of the mix. I just
couldn't do it. Because we've been talking about all of
these movies. We've done past episodes on about witches, and

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this one is a popular one. It's one that people
love that they watch every Halloween. That really meant something
to a lot of people. And I actually found a
short story about the effect of the craft and people
who tried to emulate the craft, and it's it's in
itself a horror story, which I really enjoyed. So I

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just couldn't leave it out. I'm sorry, I mean not really,
but I'm a little a little bit um. We just
have so many things to say about about which is
in our society and on the show, which you know
next year in October we're gonna need even more. So
please keep suggestions coming in around. Yes, all year round,

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because we watch horror all year round, but um, indeed
more witches. Please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is
Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff I've never told
you production of I Heart Radio. It's time for another

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feministe this movie Friday. Yeah yeah, and this time we're
tackling the long awaited as in a lot of you
ever questioned it, suggested it cult classic, The Craft, The Craft.
It was so good too. I just I just forgot
how good it was. I enjoyed it. I I enjoyed it.
I hadn't seen it in a long time, and I've

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actually only seen it once previously, maybe like three or
four years ago. So I had a good time. Yea.
So it stars Nev Campbell, Rachel True, Robin Tuney and
Firous A Ball was directed by Andrew Fleming and written
by Peter Falardi, and they actually had a Wiccaned consultant
on set. Apparently the casting was a bit difficult because

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studios weren't used to seeing films with four main female protagonists.
Oh my gosh, what I know, despite campaigning very hard
for a PG thirteen rating, the m p A A
rated it are because it had teenagers and black magic.
Oh no, not black magic, and particularly women. But I
I will say personally, I would say that, And this

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is a good segue into our trigger warning suicide attempts
rated AR perhaps, but it's I guess it's not super
I don't know. That's just tricky to depict. Again, this
is ninety six, so of course our variation of what
should be rated what was a little different at that
point in time. Too true, Oh, very true. So yeah,

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trigger warning for brief mentions of that abuse and attempted
rate UM and shout out to you to Skyler and
LV and others. Maybe there's a lot going on for
joining us on our Netflix watch party. That was really fun, right,
I think we're gonna try to attempt it again, especially
UM as we maintain our social distancing and self quarantining.

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Even though people are trying to slowly let people out,
we will remain. Yeah, I'm staying in. I'm staying in
the studio. I'm gonna work up my cosplay. I don't
know if you can see behind me. Samantha, here's my
my Luke Skywalker cosplay I'm working on. So yeah, we'll
definitely try to do that again, and especially now that
we know how to do it, because I've actually that

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was my first time using um Netflix party. I've been
using things like Senier or to seven where you can
have the video chat, but this was it was pretty easy.
Now we know how to do it, so keep an
eye out for that, right and definitely what a minnisota
of like nineties a O well chat? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
which was perfectly love the vibe. Um. And yeah, if
any any listeners like, just send your suggestions, if there's

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any movie you think would be cool for us to
watch as an audience together, Um, we're down. Yes. So yeah,
I missed this when it first came out. I guess
I would have been an elementary school so it would
have been weird for me to see it not unheard of.
But what about you? Do you remember the first time
you saw it? Smith? Oh? I was sixteen, So yeah,

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I definitely was all about this movie because I love
the ideas of witches and vampires and all of that,
the mystics type of thing, So I was I was
ready of course I was very Christian too, so I
had to hide it from my parents, so I would
go to friends houses just kind of like MTV. I
couldn't watch MTV at the house. At my friend's house
it was playing, so yeah, not MTV. That's Candle Sinful

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Sinful inm TV where they show the bikini bodies. Why,
oh my god. I remember I wanted to see it
when I would got older and I would see the
poster of them kind of like walking out of the
light and they're in they're kind of gothic but Catholic
school where I thought, you know what, I need to

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see this from me? Oh yeah, I mean just some
walking shrutting together in line and in rhythm that makes
you want to be like, hey, girl, let's practice this
and we're gonna we're gonna enter this way as well. Yes,
oh my gosh um. And because of its popularity, it
is getting an indirect sequel, I think, or I couldn't

(06:06):
tell if it was a sequel or a remake, but
something's happening. They're they're doing something with it, right. I
know there's been a conversation, there's been a conversations of
a lot of these being remade and or having sequels,
as we're gonna talk a little bit more about all
of the remakes is happening. But I did see Balk
was a part of this one. I would write the sequel,

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I think so, I believe so yeah, Okay, So let's
let's talk about the plot in case anyone doesn't remember
hasn't seen it. The plot centers around Sarah Bailey, who
was played by tuney Um and she's starting at a
Catholic school and new Catholic school in l A after
she made a suicide attempt. She makes friends with three outsiders,

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Bonnie played by Campbell, Rochelle played by True, and Nancy
played by Balk. They believe that Sarah can complete their coven.
They need four people earth wind Fire and add one
for each Um and they are nicknamed by others at
the high school as the bitches of Eastwick. Classy. Yes,
each are dealing with a specific issue that they're excited

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that maybe magic can solve for them, from physical scars, racism,
emotional pain, and poverty. And at their most basic, these
are issues of power, beauty, love and revenge. I guess
ultimately all of them are power, right and control. Everything
seems great at first, and they find power and sanctuary

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in their bond, but of course it can't last, as
Nancy jealous of Sarah's status as a natural, which keeps
pushing the boundaries of power, rendering their friendship toxic and
outright dangerous. When Sarah attempts to bind Nancy's powers to
protect them, the coven turns on her, sending Sarah nightmares

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awful false visions. They threaten her. They set hordes, rats
and snakes and insects on her. They try to manipulate
her into believing she was responsible for the deaths in
her life, including her mom and her like semi would
be boyfriend who's actually a total jerk. They tried to
persuade her to take her own life. In retaliation, Sarah

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forces Rochelle and Bonnie to face their worse fears, and
it's able to successfully bind Nancy's powers. Rochelle and Bonnie,
now powerless as well, attempts to make amends with Sarah,
but she rebuffs them. They mock her, calling her powerless
and response kind of like you know they the backs
have turned, but they say it loud enough for she
can hear them. But Sarah proofs that she isn't by

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summoning a lightning strike. Meanwhile, Nancy is confined to a
psychiatric hospital. End of movie. End of movie. Of course. Um.
The movie debut tube not so great, kind of okay reviews,
but over the years has become a cult classic. As
we can see, there's cosplay and fan fiction and other
types of fan art and are to dies and according

(09:01):
to Robin Tuoney, actress Natalie Portman bought a copy of
The Craft as her guilty pleasure movie to a bachelorette party,
which I agree with that, and that's how a lot
of people do see it as a guilty pleasure. I
don't know. I think it's somewhat like a girl power
movie in itself, even though it does have a breakdown
of girl relationships. But that's the whole thing. Um. And

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it does have that sleepover vibe which I remember something like,
I believe I was watching it at a sleepover. I
don't really think about it, um, And in a lot
of ways it captures sleepover vibes as well, down to
playing light as a feather, which we actually had that
discussion in our chat whether or not we'd all played it.
I think we all tried. None of us were successful, right,
I'll try, none of us were successful. In case anyone

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doesn't know what this is, I imagine you all do.
But it's sort of a classic sleepover game that usually
girls play, at least in our media. I don't know
if that's true. But where you chant light is a
feather and you that was a board ste it's board
lizes of feather while one person is lying kind of

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flat on the ground, and each of you has one finger.
I think if you're doing it correctly, it's supposed to
be at like every kind of corner. Yeah, but do
you have one finger underneath? And it is totally possible
you'll lift the person up, but it feels like you're
doing you're casting some type of spell, right and unless
like I think when we did it, I was saying
that we had fifteen girls around, like a seventy pound

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like fifty pound girl, so we lifted her up, but
it wasn't magic right, right, But anyway, it goes to
the classic slow motion walk we talked about. Through the
high school scene, they're practically glowing with power and confidence,
which could be a whole other conversation about them actually
feeling it more so than the being it, and a
sharp contrast to how they started out in the movie,

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and all of it down to their friendship. Ultimately, the
strong bond is eroded and twisted by the external oppressive
forces that they had used witchcraft to overcome. Symbolic of
how societal structure so often turned women against each other.
And this movie came out admits a wave of high
school coming of age stories, a lot of them cult classics,
but it stood out in the undertone of darkness in

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comparison to the rest of them. The fashion of most
of the main cast was kind of gothy, kind of punkish,
kind of grungy. There weren't many, if any predecessors of
mainstream dark female empowermount films. It is often compared to
Heather's Samantha, which I still have not seen, but you have,
and we could do a virtual party of that, um

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and it's it's often I loved this and a lot
of articles it was called the anti clueless. Yeah, a
lot of people and going back and reading reviews, especially
written you know, after it's been out for a certain
amount of time, and people reminiscing about what they loved
about it. A lot of people connected with Nancy specifically,

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at least from the things I read, and she's definitely
the first time you see her, she's just outright derisive
and sort of over it, and she is full of
rage and fear and vulnerability. Um, she's lonely, she's in
an abusive and impoverished household. She's intense and frightening. She

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refuses to be kept from power that has been withheld
from her her entire life. So I absolutely see why
people connected with it. And we've talked so many times
about how women aren't allowed to experience those things a
lot of time of the rage is not a feminine emotion,

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and she embraces all of that. And of course she
is the one that ultimately gets super power hungry and
ends up in a mental asylum, and we're going to
talk more about what that means. But I totally can
see why people connected with that, especially young girls and women, right,

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And of course this is also can talk about just
the depression and the anger and the angst and the
darkness which she was obviously in the embodiment of, while
Robin Tuney's character was light and bright and all of that,
but that's the whole other thing. So we're gonna talk
about themes now. So which is in pop culture which
I love some witches, which just have often been a

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term for women who, in one way or another does
not follow society's rules for a lot of your girls.
Cultural depictions of which is our first depicture of female
empowerment and feminism. Yes we know, if you're feminist, you
may be a witch. Start this right. And many of
these stories, though, the women in question ultimately are punished
for their search for power, which speaks to again our

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fear around female power and ambition. Oh my gosh, there's
almost this message of see, little lady, you couldn't handle it.
All these things holding you back are for your own good.
So sure you can have some power, but not too much.
So if you don't conform to the narrow definition and
rules societ grants you, you will be deemed as mentally
ill and locked away until you do. So. Get yourself straight, woman,

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because you can't have too much power, because it corrupts you.
It's right, it's right. The rise in witchcraft happens alongside
their awakening sexuality, which is something else our society is
terrified of. I very very much want to do with
Spoiled Saturday or whatever we arrive at on the Witch.
I could talk about this forever, forever. Um, we do

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have more to say about which is but first we're
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see with these characters is that they do fall in
the traps of their wishes and desires and are punished
for them. This is pretty much any wish movie trope.
Bonnie's wish for beauty, Foster's narcissism, Sarah's love spell leads
to an attempted rape, Chelle's revenge spell traumatizes her target,

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and Nancy's for ay with power culminates in the torment, death,
and dissolution of their coven. I can also see a
coming of age thing here too, sort of the moral tale.
Decisions have consequences, but also women going after what they
want will be punished. There's that going on as well, right, Yeah,

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so of course we couldn't talk about this specific movie
and less we also talked about the other examples, which
actually any and I are slowly plotting to do maybe
like a what triple feature? What's all these because you
haven't seen all of them. But other examples, between witchcraft
and magic and women and all of the downfalls of power,

(15:57):
we can save the practical magic, which is I know
a lot of people's favorite I spent a long time
since I've seen it. All I remember is um Nicole
Kidman dancing about being wicked in her own way. But
I know, isn't that the women they can't find love.
I think like they're cursed and they die or something.

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I don't spent a minute. Well, then people will remember
to bring it back. Yeah, yeah, which is of Eastwick
and I love love who does I love watching Susan
Sorandon chair and Michelle five are going after Jack Nicholson
in the ultimate way, like it's It's a fantastic movie,
and I loved all of it. And I don't think
they were originally witches to begin with until they met

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the devil and Nick Jack Nicholson is the devil. But
it's a great movie and of course one of my
all time favorite. The Witches scared the hell out of
me as a kid. Oh my god. But like Angelica
Houston taking off her face one of those moments you've
told me about this and I know I've said before
the podcast, I never watched this movie even though we

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owned it, because the cover scared me so badly. But
I bet i'd really like it. I should definitely. Oh.
I think the one of the reasons I'm afraid of
like paintings with people in it is because of this movie.
That is a creepy one. But Ghostbusters too is what
did that for me? Oh, that's fair, that's fair. Another classic.

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There's also hocus Pocus, which I know I've said before,
but I watched that movie so many times. It got
banned from my household when I was eight, and I
didn't watch it again until college. But now every Halloween,
of course, gotta watch it. kikiS Delivery Service teen, which
I've never seen. That one you've never seen ten, which
that's an eighties classic, late eighties orly nineties classic. That

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one looks much more cheery it is. There's a musical
number in there only or a dead sequence. I know
there's something along those lines. Okay, So I did watch
Charmed to the television show like through its entirety, and
I had a huge crush. It's really funny because if
I make a list of all of my fictional crushes
I've ever had. They're so similar in like their angsty

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heroic ways. They had a huge crush season six Chris
still remember never forget you, Chris. I can't remember who
you was. Oh he he probably was a terrible, terrible character.
Interesting writing for him, for sure. But I liked the
angsty plotline that was all about that. But I I
have not seen the reboot, but I've heard good things

(18:29):
that's currently on. I've actually watched. I watched the whole reboot,
and I did like it. I liked some of the
ideas behind it. I think it was such a I remember, like,
I need to go back and watch it. Some of
the acting is not great, um, but I do love
that the majority of the women were people of color,
so it was women of color and I love that.

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So it was a beautiful take on that whole change
as well. And I really did appreciate how they flipped that. Um.
It was interesting to see because it was definitely kind
of like how I know we're gonna talk about it,
Minna Sabrina. It twisted it to be a little bit darker,
even more so than the original Charmed. Even though the
original charm was getting pretty dark. It was kind of

(19:12):
like getting to the Buffy level of darkness to the end. Yeah.
I always liked in Charmed how they kind of sugarcoated
what they did and they would call killing vanquishing, which
I suppose, yes, but I remember being young and thinking
because I had to look it up, and I'm like, oh, well, okay, okay, whatever,

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one more thing on Charm before we move on. I
did read a lot of critiques that Charmed is essentially
a straight rip off of the Craft down to the
They even used the same song that the Craft used
they used as their theme song. That makes sense, I
can see it. Even some of the actors were like, Charmed,
what what are you doing? There's Willow and Buffy who

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One of my favorite episodes of Buffy is when she
goes evil and like almost destroys the planet. I love
that episode. Oh yes, I just remember she was one
of the first characters that actually had same sex relationship. Yeah,
it was one of the first same sex kisses on
mainstream television, I believe. Also, yeah, I guess Tara she

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was a witched to. Tara was a witch, and that's
kind of how she came into her own right. Tara
kind of helped her into that. Yeah, yeah, I remember
this other shows which we I actually have my uh
Sam and Dean Winchester candles litch that Adye gave me.
But Rowena in Supernatural. I think she's probably one of
the more fun witches that I've seen God depicted because

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she is delightfully uh evil, yeah, but charmingly so, so
I appreciate that. Bonnie in The Vampire Diaries, which I've
never seen any of those, surprisingly, were you an extra? Yeah,
but like we spent sixteen hours shooting that scene and
then they got it. But I got a guy like

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I was some girl that ran into I think his
name was Steve. He was one of the hot vampires
at their ties themed prom and the actors like she
supposed to run into me. I was like, yeah, oh,
you're not like that. Someone didn't read their script. Um
Chilling Adventures of Sabrina, which fantastic. I haven't watched the

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newest season. I didn't hear too many great reviews of
the newest season, but it's definitely very dark. American horror
story Covin, which is probably one of my favorite seasons
of American horse story. I haven't seen Apocalypse, but it
does have witches in it as well, which makes sense.
They all because I saw the first few episodes and yeah,

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like they're steampunk ready to go, I think interesting. Okay, okay, uh.
The Witch, which I've already brought up, and I love
that movie. I love, love love it. It's so good.
The Wizard of Oz, um and Wicked, Maleficent, Harry Potter
of course, and Chronicles of Narnia, The White Witch. Yes, um,

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and just throw it there once upon a time, obviously
several different witches in there. Um who you also have
the good versus evil and what is actually good? What
is evil? Yeah, it is just kind of fun to see.
I definitely feel like um. And in our famous pop
culture examples of which is there are two main threads
and this is simplifying, but empowerment and punishment. Many early

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witches were depicted as evil, power hungry, coming for your
children so they can stay young, often in ways that
we as an audience could laugh at and be a
little nervous of. At the same time, She's sinister, but
let's laugh at her. Um. Maybe I've head him too
deeply into it. I don't know, but it sort of
seems like we're saying don't trust women, but also don't
take them seriously because ultimately they're not really a threat.

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I don't right. Also, the whole only bad, which is
are ugly. She even says that directly in the Wizard
of oz Um. Yeah yeah, yeah, um. A lot of
our earlier renditions of which is aimed at them. We
all know the image of sort of an old hag
green skin, yeah right, I mean, once upon a time,

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that's exactly how they do it. Her envy turns her green,
and so she looks a little more. Yeah like it's
kind of her jealousy. So therefore that's why she becomes green. So,
and if we take a look at the motivations, a
lot of them are stereotypical things associated with women, youth
and love. But some of them, especially the more modern ones,
are all about finding power in a patriarchal system, which

(23:31):
he that's how you see Rowena is supernatural. She comes
in going after pimps. Yeah, it was really it's really interesting.
She's badass um. So, which is are having a cultural moment,
and I think it's like oft and on, they always
are in something at some point in time. Cyclical and
there are a lot of articles about why that is.

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Many see it as a direct result of a slew
of public and painful instances of misogyny, a manifestation of
female rage and the desire of empowerment and the feeling
of control, because as we see in the news today,
as long as we've been fighting for this, it still
hasn't happened. Yeah, so of course we're going to see
where we have a fantasy level, I think of trying

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to see that in reality and embracing the scarier side
of femininity and not caring if it makes people scared
or uncomfortable. Finally getting to the point of the rage
is okay to a certain extent, And a lot of
these which just have a strong sense of community to
one that lists them up and makes them stronger, which
is a key for movements looking to implement structural change

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like feminism, and if we look at the sixties and
second wave feminism, it coincides with one of the first
ways of our cultural interests, of which is things like
but which and the organization Women's International Tears, Conspiracy from Hell,
the u I T C H WHICH, And then during
the third wave we see another rise in which is
in our pop culture Charmed Buffy, Sabrine of the teenage,

(24:53):
which practical magic, the craft, and so on and now
and what some might call the fourth wave, we see
another researcher is of pop cultural which is right. So,
for an example, in the first episode of the Rebootage
Charmed the three Vanquist short kill a college professor who
is also a misogynist, demon and sexual predator. American horror

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story tackled a storyline of a man coming over and
stealing the power traditionally held by women. And then on
Netflix's Chilling Adventures of Sabrina Sabrina and her Fellow, which
is frequently outright question the patriarchal system, directly calling attention
to it. Sabrina herself is determined to infiltrate the male
run world and take it on, unwilling to be a

(25:36):
servant in the system, determined to make her one right. Yeah,
so she's like, I'm so kind of confused by it,
but she's her dad's like, you're gonna serve by my side,
and she says, no, not really into that. But you
also see the Aunties doing the same thing within the
school system. She comes in, it's like done with this patriarch,

(25:58):
we're gonna take it and'm gonna shift to and women
are gonna lead, and want to see how that changes
the concepts. And then I was thinking about Charmed at
the very beginning actually follows me to moment at the college,
and that's how it begins, is the mother of the
three is one of the ones that's pushing or at
least encouraging the girl to report and and it also

(26:20):
being her support system as well. So it was an
interesting look for sure. It totally makes sense to me
that when we're seeing all of these instances of injustice
in the news, that the appeal of which is kind
of having that power to fight these things and that community, honestly,

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because that is a huge part in so many of
these right, And so is sisterhood and friendships, which brings
us to the next thing we want to discuss. But
first it brings us to one more quick break for
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you sponsor. So yeah, another theme of the craft and
of a lot of those examples we just mentioned is
the power of female friendships and support groups and community
and seeing that power as a force for good and
a source of power, but also as something that can
be toxic. In the arc of the Craft, we get

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to see the power of female friendships and the pain
of its downfall, particularly through the lens of teenagers. We
see the happiness and strength they get through each other,
and the power of them working together, right, but we
also see jealousy and the discarding of friendship in the
face of power. Young girls have so many rules in play,

(27:52):
so many consequences that they face that their male counterparts don't.
Of course, the power to do something without consequence is
tending them, offering a feeling of liberation. Right. We see
examples of the issues young women face when Chris played
by Skeet old rich Uh spreads the rumor that he

(28:12):
had sex with Sarah and she wasn't good at it.
After Sarah says she's not ready for sex on the
previous night on a on a day, and he acts
like he's totally cool with it. But then she shows
up at school and she hears these things he's saying
about her. She confronts him and he gaslights her, telling
her no sane person would want to be with her
and that he would never be interested in her again. Right.

(28:35):
The scene at the end where Rochelle and Bonnie offer
an insincere apology to get power felt really reminiscent of
female friendship power dynamics, especially at that age of pretending
to be someone's friend and then trash talking them behind
their back. And I'm sure a lot of young women
and girls recognize these the pitfalls, like the how beautiful

(28:57):
female friendship can be, but the the pit falls that
are there too. And I just remember being at big
sleepovers where you'd sort of have people that you were
really close with and then other people that you weren't
that close with, and this knowledge of they're probably talking
about me behind right back. Oh yeah. I definitely have

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moments that I remember, specific incidents where one friend of
mine who was supposed to be close, she and I
were hanging out and I said something and she must spoke,
and she took it and twisted it and told her
friends that I was being mean, and so they rode
my bus. I'm not gonna hear them talking about me.
I remember that to this day. It's devastating. It's devastating,
and these things are difficult to navigate just because high school,

(29:43):
middle school, in high school, it's such a social dynamics
and power structures are very weird, right right, And we
all know bullys and cliques and groups they existed. They
may have existed differently for different people. I know my
like little group that wasn't really that level um of

(30:03):
like athletes versus this and this. That wasn't the thing.
But there was definitely still clicks and popular kids who
were jerks. I still remember that too, so, but we
did want to mention one of the things that happened
with a lot of movies, with a lot of cultural
things that are happening today, just racism in general. Rachel
True has been really outspoken about how she feels as

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the character and an actress. She said that she was
valued less because she was black. She wasn't included in
all the press jectives, even though the three other white
actresses were. And the same with the MTV Movie Awards,
a scene with her parents was cut from the film.
All all the other characters had scenes with our parents,
which shows a little more depth and background. Um and

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True told complex. Nancy is dealing with poverty and abuse,
Bonnie has burns, Sarah has a suicidal past, and me,
I'm just black. Um, I'm still the black best friend.
I'm still that tripe to a certain extent, even in
the craft. And actually she just recently tweeted about this
due to the fact that people had mentioned the movie
and the characters and they even forgot her name, like

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her name or they didn't even bother to look up
her actual name while naming all the other actresses, but her,
she's like to see, right, there's another example of how
I'm being a race from one of the movies that
I started, Yeah, and an extremely popular and well loved
right right, Yeah. I remember the first time I saw it,

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I was shocked that they just faced that head on, right,
and it does again. It's just we need more representation
because there's space for that story. But then there should
be so much more nuance and complexities and so much more,
so many more stories out there. And I felt like

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this was the only character that she felt guilty, truly
guilty for things that were happening. And again that puts
it back onto a person of color, the black woman,
to feel like she needs to change something, but she
did something wrong when actuality she was the victim. But
I feel like that was the only case that I
saw that in the entirety of the movie. Sure, powder corrupts,

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but you don't see guilt, you don't see blame. And
somehow this twisted this again back on her. Yeah, which
says a lot, and that happens a lot within shows
and movies. It does, it does. Um, and I'm glad
we're making progress. But again, this movie came out, so

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she's still being a race today exactly. Um. But yeah,
that's kind of what we have to say about The Craft.
If you haven't seen it or inspired to rewatch it,
it is on Netflix if you have Netflix, and I
would recommend it. I had good time. Yeah, actually, definitely

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go watch it. Let us know what your thoughts are.
Those who are actually identifying as witches and believe this
is a part of your lifestyle. Tell us what we
see is wrong, is right? You know, give us a
heads up. I was taying that I was trying to
figure out terra cards and I'm learning those, but I'm
very slow at it. It seems like it's a little complicated.
It's not something you just stick up complicated. Yeah, that's

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a good quarantine skill to learn. I like that, all right.
I was like, you know what, I'm very intuitive, so
I feel like this should be up my alley. I'm
just gonna have to learn the cards. That's all, just
all ten thousand of them and many millions of combos.
It's fine. You need to take a video and show
it to me because I just love the art of it. Um. Yeah, yeah,

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So that's your homework, Samantha, I got it. Um for
the rest to come, a witch, I'm sure I am
almost positive you've been called which before in your life. Um.
But yeah, for for you listeners, please keep the movie
and book suggestions coming, um and any watch party ideas.

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always to our super producer Andrew Howard, what on doing?
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