The Good In Goodbye

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to Stuff Mom Never Told You from how stupp
works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm
Kristen and I'm Caroline And after eight hundred thirty three
episodes of this dangle podcast, I'm out, so am I

(00:27):
Hello and goodbye listeners. Yeah, hello, welcome to our final
episode of Both and All Time. I guess yeah, you guess?
I mean, yeah, it's mine, not guess. Yeah, No, we
ain't coming back and I love that are sprightly. Intro

(00:49):
music is playing right now. Um as we are perhaps
shocking so listeners, but you know, what was a dumpster
fire of a year. I think we can all agree
on that. So so if it's a sad news for you,
just throw it in the dumpster, you know, light it

(01:13):
on fire, walk away, sassily into your future, where you
will take what you have learned on this podcast, the
things that have inspired you, and you will be a
better human. And hopefully you know that that that sassy
walk off will maybe keep us in mind. You know,
we are on the internet as people not associated with

(01:36):
stuff Mom Never told you. Yeah, I mean, you can
talk to me all day long on Twitter. I'm at
the Caroline erv. I'm also over on Instagram at the
caro erv Apparently I never spell out my very short
last name. Well, who needs it. I'm all about unnecessary
abrevs erv earth totally um Chuck of stuff. You should

(02:00):
no name drop. Yeah, don't you love Chuck. Chuck calls
me Congs, which I appreciate, and he's the only one
who a Brev's my last name, and it's it's so
perfectly it's so perfectly chuck. Um. But I have myself
have not adopted congs. Yeah no, I don't think I've

(02:21):
heard you introduce yourself that way. Okay, but I told
the people about my Twitter. I also have Caroline Irvin
dot co is is my website, which is really just
like pictures and not much else. But you can't submit
a query to me through my website if for some
reason you can't talk to me on Twitter. You're making

(02:43):
that site real enticing that traffic is just through the roof. Well,
I haven't gone back to actually put much on it,
but it's better than what my test site was years ago.
I talked about thought this on the podcast before. It
was just like a purple background with a picture of
a corgy and a tie. I say, bring that back.
I don't know what happened to that corgy. I meanwhile,

(03:03):
um all over the internet as well. If you search
Kristen Conger c R I S T E N there's
only one of me, Thank goodness. Yeah there's a there's
another Caroline Irvan. She's like a she's a landscape architect.
That's not me. I do love yard work. I got

(03:25):
a leafblower for my birthday and I love some yardwork.
But that is not me. Google results show down you
got you gotta get that s c O girl snagg it. Um.
I similarly am on Twitter, also on Instagram, both at
Kristen Conger. I'm also on Snapchat. Oh god, I am too,

(03:46):
but I don't know how to use it. We're old,
we are old, um, I said, I know how to
use it. Uh snap snap some big from time to
time to sit it out to the kids. Uh. I
am planning to start doing some more character work on Snapchat.

(04:07):
I've got a got a gal in the wings snap
Cath she's you know she uh, she's going through some things,
but she'll she's there to tell you about it. Um,
So head on over to my snapchat if you want
to see some of my wig collection. Um. Yeah, we
we are easily found across the internet. Um. We also
have very exciting things in the works. Um for not

(04:34):
I mean really really really, I feel like I genuinely
I couldn't think of a better time to step away
from this beloved show, which I am prouder of than
anything I've ever done in my life. Um, and this, though,

(04:54):
is the time to step away and step out really
and step up, because that's a step aerobics going on. Yeah,
basically I'm starting a jazz recize studio. So we're trying
to tell you. Uh no, it's I mean sixteen Uh
just revealed in so many ways, so much work that

(05:14):
needs to be done, and I think it reprioritized a
lot of people's lives and made them reconsider uh where
they are investing themselves and where all of that leads
what it's actually supporting. And I'm really excited, uh not
to be leaving our wonderful how stuff works colleagues, Um,

(05:40):
because they are just just the jewels of the earth.
They're the eighth wonder of the world, I tell you, Um,
But I am really excited about becoming an independent media
maker because in this time, uh, I want to put
my money where my mouth is. I want to talk
my walk, and and that is part of it, right,

(06:04):
And being your own boss is certainly putting your it's
it's what did you say, walking your talk? Yeah, putting
your money where your shoes are? Yeah, or just like uh,
just playing hide and seek with money because now now
I gotta go Now, I gotta go find it. Uh.
If anyone wants to hire me, I am so talented. Yeah, no,

(06:25):
there was. You said something in our last episode about
a bucket of duckets, So we need to find that
bucket of duckets at the end of the activist Rainbow, right, right,
But before we go any further, we cannot underestimate what
a tremendous opportunity How Stuff Works has given us. Um

(06:47):
I was but a scrappy twenty three year old when
a former staff writer fellow staff writer House Stuff Works,
Molly Edmonds y'all remember Molly from the old days, Uh,
came up with this cockamamie idea, Yeah, to do a
show about women and gender. And I tell you what,

(07:07):
it was a tough pitch. It was a tough pitch.
At the time, women were way more niche than they
are today. Uh, but they let us do it and
I could not be more grateful for that opportunity. Um. So, y'all,
how Stuff Works is is not flushing us down the
toilet like a tampon, which you're not supposed to do. Um.

(07:30):
They have plans as well. Yeah, we actually have a
statement here from How Stuff Works. How Stuff Works will
continue to invest in women focus shows inspired by the
voices of Sminty. Thanks for your support, and look for
much more from How Stuff Works in and I can

(07:50):
only assume that the phrase voices of Sminty also encompasses
all of my accents for sure that have been very
polarizing over the years. They really have been people. People
will literally will they will write us a letter about
something else, and at the end they will put in like,
by the way, I love your voices, they're my favorite

(08:11):
thing about it. Or on the other end of the spectrum,
I wish you would just use your adult voice. Oh yeah,
so it's terribly obnoxious, I'm sure. Um. Also, we have
to before we go any farther, thank everybody listening to

(08:33):
this podcast, because How Stuff Works gave us a platform. Yes,
but you all helped us find our voice, and you
all have inspired us and guided us and kept us
going in so many ways that you have no idea.

(08:54):
Behind the scenes. Um, there have been many times over
the years when it's been just grueling, you know, whether
it's a lot of work to do or work piled
on life, And just when you feel like that your
rope is gonna snap, we we get an amazing email
from you all or letters. You guys have been great

(09:15):
about sending us cards, postcards, letters. A listener named Lisa
recently sent us a Lisa Frank calendar and it's an
eighteen month calendar. Yeah, eighteen months of Lisa Frank. So
that means you and I can split and both appropriately
have nine months, which is a fitting a fitting calendar

(09:39):
for the host of the show stuff mom never told
you which y'all, if we could just share all of
the PR emails we have received over the years, assuming
that we need we need experts on like baby formula
and diapers. Um, yeah, I a this with a smile

(10:01):
and lovingly, but PR folks out there, I gotta tell you, like,
if you don't actually listen to the show or or
read the show's description, um, you're probably not going to
make a successful pitch to its hosts. Also, though to
their defense, our handle is mom stuff, which does suggest
it's misleading that we talk about stuff relevant to moms

(10:27):
and our probably moms ourselves. We have a lot of
awesome moms in our audience, though, yeah, we do. I
gotta tell you, I'm always so heartened by our community
of moms on our Facebook page as well, because you
don't have to be a parent to know that parenting. Plus,

(10:48):
the Internet can get really dicey, really fast, because there
are a lot of opinions and no one wants to
be wrong about how they raise their children. And of
course there have been arguments that have happened on our
Facebook page, but we have such by and large, a
respectful group of moms and parents and also um women

(11:09):
and parents who don't shade us for talking about uh
pregnancy related topics or um children, babies, family saying you
know you child free and incompoops, know what you're talking about.
That's my license plate, my vanity plate. It's so long,
it's like one of those European style So, since this

(11:32):
is the goodbye episode, should we look back at where
we started? Yes? Okay, well you have to tell the
people though, because we do have we are blessed hashtag
blessed with a lot of new listeners this year. Um,
so we can keep that out of the dumpster fire.
We can appreciate that. Oh yeah, none, none of you
all are in the dumpto fire. No, we're not putting

(11:53):
none of you are going in the dump show. But
nobody puts baby at the dumpster fire, that's for sure. Correct.
But tell the people how Simonti originated. I mean you
already told him that How Stuff Works gave you this platform. Sure,
but what was your first episode with Molly? Okay, so
the very first published episode stuff Mom never told you

(12:14):
was do men and women have different brains? Controversial? But
it was based off in existing How stuff Works article,
um and and and that was sort of the original
idea was to comb through the treasure trove of how
stuff Works articles that Molly and I and other staff

(12:34):
writers such as Josh and Chuck of Stuff you should
Know Fame were writing at the time, and for for
this show, we were like, hey, we don't dedicate a
lot of content to use digital media speak two women specifically,
so what if we take an article and zero in

(12:55):
on on where women would factor into that. Well, we
quickly ran out of existing article, um, so we started
to come up with our own fresh ideas, which again
that was a big risk for the company to take
because they were and I mean this lovingly, they were
really letting us off a leash. Um. And before that, though,

(13:20):
there was an audition process. Yes, this was just how
man way back in the day and how stuff works
when podcasts were really but a glimmer in so many
of our eyes. Uh. In order to launch of podcast,
you first had to record a test episode, and y'all,

(13:41):
we had no idea what we were doing. Um. Molly
and I went in and Josh of s Y s
K and Jonathan Strickland, host of tech Stuff, were our
judges essentially, and we scripted it. We read a podcast

(14:02):
scriptum about male birth control and Caroline, I just so happened.
Do you have that script in front of me? Okay,
let's hear some of it and I read some of
the lines. Um. Also, we were trying to make these
very short, so I think this was the whole episode, um,
and it probably lasted all of five minutes, thank goodness,

(14:22):
because the some of these lines that I wrote just
really did not age well. So stuff mom never told
you a dramatic reading. Stuff Mom didn't tell you interesting
information from your female friends at how stuff works dot com.
Let's jump right into something that's awkward to discuss with

(14:43):
your mom. Ejaculation. Did you know that there are one
twenty million sperm that come out with each ejaculation? Holy cow,
I'm frightened. That's more than three times the population of California.
What are you gonna do? Well? You know I can
pick from the pill of the patch, the injection, diaphragm, etcetera.

(15:04):
That could be a lot of work. Sometimes I pick
up some condoms, but guys don't love it. I assume
that was scripted as back and forth between you and
Molly and not just you having some sort of like
insane conversation. I wish it was just a horrifying monologue
of me, now, Caroline, I won't. I will not put

(15:26):
you and our listeners through through the rest of this script, because,
as you can tell, it is not of the highest quality. UM. Also,
podcast scripts, y'all buy or beware. UM. But I did
have to laugh at the closer that I do remember
writing and being like, oh yeah, that's good, and this

(15:47):
is a reference again to the number of sperm in
uh the average ejaculate here it is, well, it sounds
like we have one million reasons to not throw away
birth control because male birth control might be a pipe dream.
That's what she said. Oh god, yeah, and then we

(16:12):
could just hear the slow class. I'm surprised we got
a podcast. Now I can see now, I can see
maybe why why it took a second for for this

(16:33):
show to get off the ground, and it evolved. Yes,
thank goodness, thank goodness, things have evolved, and even like
things have evolved with you and me. I mean, we
started off with twenty minute shows basically because I was
not a full time employee at How Stuff Works. I
was a contractor, so I would literally have to scurry

(16:55):
across the street from my nightmare job with a terrible boss.
I have alluded to many times on this show. I
would have to scurry across the street. Thank thankfully, we
were in buildings that were across the street from each
other to record one episode at a time in in
like twenty minutes tops. And so it is kind of

(17:16):
funny to like, look at our notes now for episodes,
which can crest five pages and then look back at
those notes from when I started that are maybe a
page and a half or two pages. Which do you prefer?
Because sometimes I look back at those old notes and

(17:36):
I think, oh, the salad days. Yeah, well I don't neither.
I mean, in some respects both. Um. I like that
we were super efficient back in the day because we
had to be, we had no choice. But sometimes I
look back at those notes and I'm like, I have
no idea what this number is referenced ing. I feel

(18:00):
like I don't have enough here to like, have a
juicy conversation. Um. Yeah, Kristen just made a face. I
don't like the word juicy. I'm just gonna say it. Um, girl,
this is the time to say whatever you need to say.
But uh yeah. And what I do like, I like
fleshed out notes. You like juicy flesh. I like I

(18:21):
like juicy fleshed out notes. Um, when they are not
trying to literally cover every angle of something. A trap
that Kristen and I have fallen into more than we
can count is trying is being so fascinated by a
topic and so excited about something that we want to
know every angle of it and share every angle of it.
And we also set a super high bar for ourselves

(18:46):
because also our listeners hold us accountable for sure. Yeah,
so we do it because of personal interests, yes, but
also because we want to make sure that we're giving
a three sixty view of a topic. But of course, second,
I can just get out of hands sometimes, y'all. You
might have noticed if if you've been listening to us

(19:08):
for a while, episodes have gotten longer and longer. I
know our dear producer Nolf's probably noticed. But I also
had to go through a bit of an audition process
to land on Smith Tea back in the summer of
and that process was recording an episode with you, and
that was an episode about rebound relationships, and that was

(19:31):
fun and I so clearly remember it, and you know,
full circle, We've come full circle because the rebound that
I discussed in that episode is now my boyfriend. No way. Yeah.
So in in that very first episode that we published,
we talked about, or I talked about, you know, this
guy who had just gotten out of a relationship and

(19:52):
he wanted to date me, and I was like, no way, buddy,
you're on the rebound. You're not mentally healthy enough to
do this. Pot mess. I know, like I was talking
at the time like I was some like highly evolved
specimen of human and we all know that's not the truth. Um. Yeah,
Well we reunited two and a half years ago now
and he's my boyfriend. Dog. Also, I've I've grown up

(20:16):
with a show in so many ways. I mean, thinking
about myself now at thirty two compared to myself back
then at twenty three, oh man, from the fashion choices
to the I don't want to say boyfriend because yeah,
I was never really good at like actually like getting
a man to date me. Um, but but my my

(20:39):
crush choices, uh two. I mean also just the education
for sure that Sminty has afforded us, um in terms
of women's history and feminism and intersectionality and just being
so much more aware of systems around us, lived experiences

(21:01):
that we wouldn't otherwise, um be clued into. I'm so
grateful for being able to co research topics with you
like this, like the topics we've covered, and be able
to talk to you about it, and also to be
able to hear from again. Y'all know we keep talking
about you, but at least half of that learning experience

(21:25):
is because of you all. You all send us the
most in depth experiences and questions and corrections and resources
and ideas, and this show has been as much about
you as it has been about us. And honestly, we

(21:48):
brag about you all so often. And I know that
makes us sound like weird pseudo parents. Um. This is
not our hysterical wombs talking um. But you know, when
we're doing our podcast business, that's business with a z uh.
We always brag about what a wonderful audience we have
because it is expected that if you put yourself out

(22:12):
on the internet, you're mostly gonna get a lot of
horrible things if especially if you're a woman. And Stuff
I've Never told You has been such an exception to
that rule in a lot of ways. It really has
our email inboxes, our Twitter, it's all like the coolest

(22:32):
safe space. And we also want this goodbye to stuff
Mom never told you to be a positive one, because
we aren't looking back and weeping, but rather we're looking forward.
And I don't know about you, Caroline, but I I'm pumped.

(22:53):
I gotta answer my pants. I'm ready to go well,
as do so many of our listeners have ants in
their pants. I realized the sinten x was weird as
you kept talking and my mouth was already moving. Um.
But yeah, let's uh, can we play some voice memos
from some listeners. Yeah, so these are some of your
wish lists for Yeah, so let's play one a brief

(23:17):
one that we got from Sam. Hi Sminty. My name
is Sam Theed and for two thousand and seventeen. I
think that what I want most is, um, more open
mindeds as a nation, more sustainable harvest practices for our
natural resources. I want, of course for myself the American

(23:39):
dream of being able to afford a home and have
a job that I can afford that home with. And
of course I would love more Sminty podcasts. Love you
guys and all that you do. Thanks for sticking out
there for us nasty women. Happy two thousand seventeen. And okay,
so Katrina sent us a really long, incredibly detailed voice

(24:02):
memo talking about her goals and wishes and hopes. And Katrina,
we can't play your whole memo, but here is an
impressive little snippet. I have a lot of privilege in
my life, Um, but I've I've also been able to
see the lack of privilege that others have. Half of
my cousins are not white. For starters, UM, and being

(24:25):
by has put me in the LGBT community. I have
trans friends, and while I may never fully understand the
day to day UH struggles, I guess the day to
day issues that come about of that come from not
having that kind of privilege that I have. I don't

(24:46):
understand in a visceral sense, but I do definitely try
to understand it as best I can. And I have
been very lazy when it comes to fighting for my
friends and my family. I don't have a lot of money.
I'm just a hair's breadth above the poverty line, so

(25:08):
I'm I'm struggling to make ends meet, and a lot
of times it feels like the only way to help
is to put your money with where your mouth is,
and I just don't have that money to put don't
got it, um. One of the first things I'm gonna
do going into the new year is I'm going to
move my banking from a larger bank to a credit union,

(25:29):
because when we start talking as a larger group in
the in our country about political figures who you know
are being kept in the pocket of big business and whatnot.
Oftentimes those big banks are part of that problem. So
I will do what I can to keep my money
out of their hands. It's not a lot, but it's

(25:50):
a thing that I can do. These are things that
I can do, And I have a big old list
of things that I can do or think about, and
I can commit to going through those lists once a
month and seeing if there's anything new I can add.
I can commit to continuing to donate blood every eight weeks.

(26:11):
I can commit to looking for a place to volunteer
that works with my weird schedules and Tammy listener Tammy
had a different take on ten. She's got some other
goals for the new year. Things I would like to
see in twenty seventeen is not only more awareness of

(26:35):
chronic pain and chronic illness, but for people actually to
have sources and fundraisers and places they can donate money
and do actual research. I and many people, and many

(26:58):
millions of people in this country and around the world
suffer from severe, debilitating chronic illness and chronic pain, and
we need to be part of the conversation. Disability needs
to be included in all intersectionality conversations. We need to

(27:21):
mention disability when talking about the black and brown civilians
being killed by the cops. And we need to continue
free speech, free press, open more independent bookstores, get rid
of the electoral college, somehow keep it classy the way
Obama always have has. And we need to keep up

(27:49):
the spirit and keep up the fight, and follow Bernie
and Hillary in their footsteps and follow their examples, and
that they're just not giving up for what is right.
And here's listener Catherine with her seventeen wish list, which
ends on a pretty fabulous note. I Smith, my name

(28:10):
is Catherine. I'm from Quebec and Canada, and here are
my wishes for two thousand seventeen UM. The first one
is that each of us learned the capacity of acting
with humility and taking care of each other as an
act of radical softness. I also wish that those in
power listened to the population with open art and use

(28:33):
their power to make the world a better place. And finally,
my classic wish is the complete abolition of imperialist white supremacists,
capitalist at tero patriarchy. We can do it. Rebecca sent
us a great brief little memo too, for her seventeen
wish list. My wish for seventeen is that we maintain

(28:54):
our endurance. I hope that we go into the new
year with big hearts and open minds, that we keep
having the conversations that matter and say the things that
just need to be said. Um, the world can seem
a little overwhelming, especially now, but big changes happen every
day when we make big decisions about how we'll lead
our lives every day. I wish that for all of us.

(29:18):
And closing out the fabulous listener Voice memos that we
received talking about your hopes for the future, we have Claire,
So one of my major wishes is that we see
a wide variety of female creators in everything from TV, books, film, art,
in museums and journalism, and that we really celebrate and

(29:41):
amplify a wide variety of voices. And on my challenges
list for toy seventeen, for myself, I want to really
get out into the community, get on the ground and
do the work for the causes that I have supported
online for a long time, things like reproductive rights, lgbtq
it's and the environment, and so really go out and

(30:04):
help these causes on the ground and on a more
personal level, One of my challenges is to talk to
my conservative family and friends and about these issues that
I care so much about and really try to get
them to empathize with the other side and maybe not
change their mind, but at least help them see where

(30:27):
we're coming from and why these issues are so important
to us. So those are my wishes and challenges, which
my seventeen. So Caroline, what's your wish list for Oh boy?

(30:52):
My wish list is that we take more of our
activism off not off of Twitter, but of it and
translate it into real action, whatever that means for you.
That we see an up surge in angry nasty women, um,

(31:12):
actually getting their boots on the ground and getting involved
with the things they believed in believe in, whether that's
reproductive rights, uh, the dismantling of racist and heteronormative, patriarchal
systemic awful structures, you know, just really the basics. Yeah,
um I I My wish list for sen also involves

(31:35):
the um activism of nasty men to nasty gender nonconforming people,
just just a nasty nation outfare um. And it's so
broad brush, but I feel like if I were to
itemize everything that goes under this it would take forever.

(31:56):
But my number one wish for and really the next
four years is the preservation of civil liberties UM and
also the protection of reproductive rights UM and us collectively
being more politically active on a local level level than

(32:19):
ever before. I've um called my state and local reps
for the first time, and y'all, I'm not a phone person.
I was, Honestly, I was scared to answer the phone
until I was like twelve years old, and I'm still
kind of phone shy, especially when I'm calling someplace like
cold calling and i don't really know what I'm doing. Yeah,

(32:41):
I called one of my senators the wrong name when
I was speaking with his staff member. I'm sure that
made me look real good. But it doesn't matter, because
it's just the more you do it, the less scary
it is. And if I can do it, if, if
if phone phobic me can do it, um, every one
else can. And so there is that upshot to the

(33:05):
post election atmosphere where a lot of people are fired
up to truly start making some change and really start
learning about the systems around us in the way that
we can contribute to it. UM. So that's my big
hope for the world. Personally, my seven wish list is

(33:28):
the successful manuscript writing of our upcoming book, Unladylike, a
field guide to Smashing the patriarchy and claiming your space. Yeah,
that's right. If you follow us on Facebook, you might
have caught that announcement if you literally only listen to
us and don't follow us in any other realm. Hey,
we're writing a book. We are writing a book, and uh,

(33:49):
hopefully you have subscribed to the Unladylike newsletter because just
like the podcast has been such a two way street,
we want to hear from you in terms of what
we're gonna put and who we're going to highlight in
this book that we're super excited about, So you can
head over to Unladylike dot co and subscribe over there.

(34:11):
I mean, it's just gonna be an unladylike kind of year.
I mean, really, I cannot emphasize enough how excited I
am to get real unladylike. I would say that, you know,
I would just be like, I just want to be
stay nasty in um, but really I want to be

(34:33):
a nasty woman making some real unladylike kind of media,
you know, I think that sounds great, and I hope
you guys think that that sounds great, because we want
you to enjoy it. We want to continue to have
a relationship with you where we it's a two way
street in terms of the inspiration, it's a it's a
it's even you know, a complicated highway with overpasses, an underpass.

(34:54):
Perhaps it's some sort of traffic circle where the inspiration
and good feels never stop. And I approach it with
a bit of panic because I then realized, oh god,
I don't know what to do with a traffic circle. Yeah,
we are American, we have far fewer of them. Did
you know that France has the mess traffic circles of
any country in the world. I did not know that. Yeah.
I'm also an editor for how Stuff Works dot com,

(35:16):
so my brain is full of Rando's stuff. But thankfully,
speaking of France, okay, how about that transition. Thankfully, we
have so many international listeners who have also been so kind,
especially to us post election. Thank you for all of
your condolences that you've sent us. Um but our international
listeners help us, you know, through the roundabouts. Thank goodness,

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life's roundabouts, or if you're a Michigan or y'all have
those strange who's it's and turnarounds on you know what
I'm talking about. It's like a you call it like
a one armed left or something like that. I forget
what it's called. And somebody we got to shout out
out regarding our book is our beloved illustrator and all

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around nasty woman, Tyler Feeder. Yes, so we reached out
to Tyler because we loved her work. She is an
incredible illustrator. She clearly has so much freaking heart. Let's
tell them some examples of what she's done. Well. So, yeah,
in the wake of the election, um, you know, we
couldn't really we could barely get out of bed, and

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the three of us were chatting with our agent, our
book agent, on Slack because we're cool business women. I
was wearing shoulder pads certainly, and uh what, yeah for sure,
I mean your your bedtime shoulder pads. Yes, my my
shoulder pad. M yeah, And we were kind of talking
to each other about like, oh, well, thank god we're

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doing this project, like this is going to keep us going.
And that day, Tyler, in the spirit of supporting women,
lawn each a project on Instagram. She used the hashtag
draw me Tyler with the goal of drawing these beautiful
illustrations of marginalized women, women of color, trans women, women

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living with disabilities, a range of beautiful and amazing activists.
And she ended up getting a lot of attention for
it and it was well deserved. Absolutely, And um, you
may have seen her peace intersectional Rosie the Riveter floating
around on Tumbler especially. I think that's the first place

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that I saw it. Um. And you can now see
some of her stuff on feminist apparel as well. UM.
But we are just so so so so excited to
be working with her, and we're really excited for you
all to discover her work if you haven't already. Um,
she's roaring softly. That's roar as in our o a

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R like a lion. Um roaring softly on Twitter and Instagram.
So check her stuff out and get excited. Um. She
has drawn um for our book proposal and ladylike Um
she's drawn some fabulous body hair on some some naked women.
So if that's not if that's not a tease to

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get excited about our book, then I don't know what
it is. UM. But We've got a lot to do, Caroline. UM,
we are certainly not stepping out of the studio after
we finished recording this and taking a vacation. It's about
to ramp up, and we so hope that will continue

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hearing from you and seeing you. Um, if you want
to email me directly, you can do that at Kristen
c R I S T E N. It's commonly misspelled.
Even my phone auto correct sit to add an H
to me. I know I could probably fix it, I

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just don't. Um. You can email me at Kristen at
unladylike dot co. I'm Caroline at unladylike dot co. And
again if you want to sign up for our little
newsletter to keep abreast of our Uh. But I have
such a I am a child. I just laughed at
abreast what a farewell? Um, the same abreast of all

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the stuff that we're gonna be doing. Places we're gonna
hopefully be going faces, we're gonna be seeing words that
we're gonna be speaking. It's like so specific but so vague, right, UM,
so head over to unladylike dot co. Also, I just
think it's sort of a neat looking webs website. Uh,

(39:51):
thank you Squarespace. You didn't sponsor us, but you sponsored
this podcast in the past, and so I used the
mom Stuff promo code to get ten percent off our
Squarespace site. UM, so that so that was a real boon. So, listeners,
I cannot thank you enough for helping me become the
person that I am today. And I mean that sincerely.

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And when I say that I love you, I also
mean it from the bottom of my heart. And this
group of listeners that we interact with, and even if
you're just a sminty lerker, um, you have given me
hope for and beyond. You've given me hope that all
is not lost. This is not the end of the world.

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As big of a dumpster fire as this past year
has been, as many amazing people as we have lost,
as many threats to our rights that we have faced,
as much oppression as we have waded through. UM, I
know that you're out there and that you're nasty and

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you're determined and you're driven and your vocal, and so
thank you for giveing me so much hope and making
me feel like I'm really a part of something incredible.
And that's not just the Sminty community. That's really just
a community of amazing humans out there, and so please
keep in touch, please let us know that you're still

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out there, because we still want to talk to you
and with you, um and we hope that you follow
us along on our future adventures. So again, thank you,
we love you, We wish you the very best New
Year possible. And this isn't goodbye, but rather see you
all later. Yeah, peace out for now. For more on

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