The Women of the United States Postal Service

Women working for the United States Postal Service have historically been the stuff of legend. Anney and Samantha look at the past and present of the women at the USPS.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey, this is Sanny and Samantha, and welcome to stuff.
I never told your production of I Heart Radio. So
for today's question, Samantha, I have one that I am
almost certain I know the answer to, but I'm gonna

(00:26):
ask it anyway. Were you a member of any fan clubs?
I have to think about it because I feel like
I may have been. But it was way back when.
Oh I saw it for sure it was gonna be no.
But okay, no, I think it goes because I can't
had just come into the US. My brother was a

(00:47):
big Tiffany fan nineteen eight Tiffany. I love that I
said this. I think he and I both joined her
fan club. I do not know who Tiffany is, but
I think we're alone now. That's I think it's like
she and the new kids on the block was the

(01:09):
big mall singers, like they would do mall tours. Mm hmm,
mall tours. I forgot about that. Yeah, look, I'm that old.
That's I'm that old. I was really young when this
was coming about. But yeah, I think she and he
and I were both bands like he because I wanted
to do what he did. It was very American and

(01:29):
I was like, okay, cool, I'll do this with you.
But I think that was the only real time I'm
guessing you have been. Oh yes, I have multiple fan
cups in my under my belt. Um. I was big
in the Green Day fan club. Yeah, it seems so

(01:50):
weird because don't get me wrong, no, Green Day was
big band everything. But that seems like against what they
would have wanted for them as a band themselves as
a band. Well, their fan club was very different than
the other fan clubs I was a member of because
it was more like random video clips of them on
tour and trade cool yelling at you for watching the video.

(02:13):
So it fits I think. Um. But I was also
John Williams fan club. Um. And but what I wanted
to bring up today the Mary Kate and Ashley fan
club because they would send you a box like every
couple of months with a mystery for you to solve,
and it was I loved it. I loved it. It's

(02:37):
the most exciting package. And I would just like get
my flower and dust the mirror of for fingerprints that
were my fingerprints, of course, and I love that day.
That's what they did because they weren't genius when it
comes to entrepreneurship. That's a whole other level. Oh yeah,
I was a huge Mary Kay Nashley fan. UM. I

(03:02):
think I was in that fan club for probably an
embarrassing amount of time. I might have aged out, but
I just like mysteries. I like puzzles. It was fun.
I mean, it was amusing. Why not it kept me
like I had to go outside for some of them
and all I m m M. I will say there's
something to getting a package in the mill and just

(03:24):
having something like when people send you things, it is
quite delightful. Yeah, and I feel like a good surprise
package to from someone you know where you're like, oh,
I wasn't expecting this, and it's just sort of this
mismatch of things. I love that. Uh. And that's why
I wanted to bring it up because today we are
talking about women in the United States Postal Service the

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USPS UM. Yes, and if you are curious after this
you want to do some further listening stuff you missed
in history class are sister podcast although I have been
called out for calling them sister podcasts and brother podcasts,
so I don't really know the terminology. Another podcast on
our network um our fan podcast, Our podcast FAM. Yes, um,

(04:08):
they did an episode on women in the USPS. That
was the title back in back, so go check that out.
And for those that don't know UM. Here in the
United States, there has been a lot of conversation about
the United States Postal Service, as in fact, we had
the whole uh hearing. We have a whole hearing happening

(04:30):
right now. Yes, yes, as we record this UM, which
is August. Just to put a stamp on there because
accidental pun thanks are moving very quickly. Uh yeah, yeah, yeah.
And Trump has pretty much been attacking it UM, talking
about with holding of funds to prevent universal mail in voting.

(04:51):
He literally said that out loud. UM. He's appointee to
Postmaster General, Lewis to Joy, is very vocal a proponent
of privatizing the USPS, essentially dismantling it, and as a
part of that, he has eliminated overtime pay. This has
resulted in massive delivery delays. I've seen this UM with

(05:12):
packages I've sent out and have been expecting. Uh. Also
there is a birthday presents not here yet. I'm very
upset about this. Oh. I was like, is this Oh, no,
blame the USPS. No, birthday present. No birthday present for you.
That's cool, that's cool your president. Um. And then there

(05:36):
was like a bigger fuffle of them of post boxes
being removed. Um. And this is all despite the fact
that the USPS has a ninety one per cent approval rating,
which is the highest of any government agency. UM. And
people depend on it for checks and medicine. I think

(05:57):
that gets forgotten by a lot of people who just
complain about junk mail, and especially if we're talking about
an election with a lot of mail and voting very
important um. Due to people who work at the post office,
their knowledge of the landscape. Mail carriers have provided assistance
after disasters. They've helped find lost children, they provided emergency

(06:20):
first aid, all kinds of things. Really, like, there's fantastic
stories out there for the reading. UM. Now, some of
Lewis and Joy's more controversial changes, some of them have
been put on hold till after the election because a
lot of there's a lot of bipartisan backlash. But still
damage has been done. Um. Although we did get some

(06:44):
fun news that Steve Bannon was arrested in part with
the help of the US Postal Inspection Service, which I
don't know. Is that ironic? Is that the word? I just,
I'm just I thought it was like an onion article
when I first saw it on a yacht getting arrested
by essentially the USPS. So like, wait, I did too.

(07:06):
I had to go back and looks like they can
do that. What's happening? What's happening? Yep? I learned a
lot that day. Yeah, there's a lot. As we're talking again,
I love watching hearings like this, or just at least
clips of it to see. Mainly, it just seems like
a majority of the female representatives have been going after

(07:29):
the joy pretty hard um and trying to just kind
of see if he understands the basics of the Postal
Service and he doesn't. He knew the cost of a stamp.
Oh wow, I'm surprised that. Yeah, that was about it,
and the rest of it was kind of like what
is happening? So it was. It's been an interesting thing
to watch because I will say I don't know either,

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but as someone who was the lead and ahead of
an agency that is supposed to be a service you
would think would be important. But I digress. So the
US Postal Service sorce over one hundred and fifty four
billion pieces of mail each year and employee over six
hundred thousand people UM. The USPS has also long been

(08:13):
important for communities of color, both in terms of service
and stable employment. Twenty one percent other employees are black. Yeah,
and there's a lot of really amazing statistics out there
in terms of how much mail they do sort. If
you want to find them, it's a lot. It's way
more than their competitors, way more. Right. And then just

(08:34):
a reminder, one of the controversy is that they have
unplugged the sorting machines, which is a big important part
of what's happening. Yeah, And it's odd because it's odd
at first because things feel so partisan here right now,
and in a lot of ways they are. UM. But
there is a part of me that naively thought the

(08:55):
posts the post office. But there has been a history
of this. This is not by any means, um the
first time, especially Republican UM politicians have come for the USPS.
It's just like, so we have enough going on right now.
I really I'm getting at my limit right well, the

(09:20):
two hurricanes coming, a lot of fire to happening. Let's
go ahead and just you know, just mentally USPS. Why
not no better time than the present, you know, Uh,
something always comes up, as I like to say, so
we did want to go. We wanted to go over
the history of of the USPS and specifically women and
in the United States Postal Service because it's fascinating. It

(09:43):
really is. Um. So briefly, the United States Postal Service
is as old as the United States is itself, and
in fact older, uh, and in many ways helped build
this country. It was guaranteed in the Constitution formed by
George Washington in five that time there was a single
female postmaster, Mary Katherine Goddard, and even prior Yeah, in

(10:06):
colonial America there were, uh, there were these post routes
and there were two female postmasters on record. When Goddard
was removed by the Postmaster General in two hundred people
petitioned to have her reinstated. Yeah, that's nice. I don't
know why. I just basically think, you all, she's loved
I don't know, And there are a lot of examples

(10:28):
of that throughout this And then I was as I
was reading stories of people who work um at USPS
and just the bonds they form in their community and
people know their names and that's how like if if
somebody hasn't answered their mail in three days, but they
usually come out and talk to them and they that's
how they'll know, like maybe I should check in on
them or call call an ambulance. And it's really hardwarming

(10:51):
some of the stories. Yeah, most of these early women
who held these positions did so because their husband or
father couldn't fulfill their duties and it was sort of
like kind of a backdoor entrance into getting the job.
They just never officially had it perhaps, but they were
performing the duties right. So the first woman appointed as

(11:15):
postmaster under the Constitution was Sarah DeCrow in North Carolina
in seventeen nine two. The Crow kept trying to resign
to the low pay um. When Rose Right was appointed
in Harrisburg, Pennsylvanian eight fourteen, she faced the backlash and
controversy over whether or not a woman could hold the
position at all, which is weird since they have been whatever.

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The Postmaster General the time wrote, quote, my feelings would
lead me to appointments write in conformity to the which
has expressed in her recommendation. But the post office law
has been revised and altered since the appointment of Mrs Moore,
and a doubt has been suggested to me from a
source that I ought to respect as the strict legality
of appointing a female, and on careful examination of the law,
I inclined to believe that the doubt may be well founded.

(12:00):
It Yeah, if I remembering quickly, it was that we've
talked about it before, But it was how the pronoun
the default pronoun and the Constitution is he I think
that's the argument he was making so often. Yep. Sure
as um. In eighteen o two, the Postmaster General past
a while prohibiting black people from working for the post Office,

(12:21):
a law that wasn't repealed until the Civil War. The
first record we have of a woman being appointed to
deliver mail goes back to April third, eighteen forty five,
when Postmaster General Cave Johnson appointed Sarah Black, one of
her relatives, became the town's first female postmaster after that Um.
At first, these early female mail carriers transported mail, but

(12:43):
by eighteen nine they were delivering it to primarily on
rural routes, but they made it to the cities as
well to the big city by in the nineteen seventeen
during the shortage of men from World War One, Washington's
postmasters set about this. This is the first time in
the record of the Post Office Department of the United

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States that women have been used for carrying mail on
roots in a city. It must be considered more or
less in the nature of an experiment, and it was
viewed this way. It's kind of experiment in a handful
of cities across the country, like a test, a trial
right um. And though the women in question were successful
on their roots, most were replaced into indoor post office positions,

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so they didn't get to keep their roots right. So
several women were hired as postmaster in the South after
the Civil War because taking the position requires swearing an
oath they had not voluntarily provided any aid to Confederate
soldiers or the Confederacy, and a lot of men couldn't
make that oath. So in eighteen sixty two, the Postmaster
General became the first higher up official to appoint women

(13:47):
to positions at the Washington DC's Post Department headquarters, specifically
in the Dead Letter Office, and it employed more women
than any other in the US government. So these women
earned about thirty five percent less than their milk counter parts. Surprise.
So in eighteen sixty nine New York Times article arguing
for women's equal pay came with this quote about how
the women weren't allowed to do the mechanical work of

(14:10):
opening letters because quote, as is said, im moral things
are sometimes found in the mill. Obviously, and to see
these things would it is supposed corrupt the morals of women.
And at this time a lot of post offices had
separate ladies windows, so that blew my mind. They have constitutions.

(14:31):
Come on, what if a letter magically opens and I
see a drawing a stick figure with ankles or something,
I don't know what I'll do. Some places even had
a third window, so there was a lady's window, men's window,
and then the third one was men accepting letters for women. Perfect. Yeah,

(14:56):
because you know that's the only way you can do it.
It's beviously the easiest way to go about all of this. Uh.
And yeah, that quote mechanical work. That was an official
term used to prevent women from working opening letters. Mechanical working,
that's true in a paper cut. I'm not arguing that point.

(15:18):
I have a paper cut, I'm not doing anything else.
I actually believe that the first known black female postmaster,
Anna Dumas, was appointed in Louisiana in eighteen seventy two,
and then in Martial Cummings work The Story of Our
Post Office, he estimated six thousand women held the position

(15:40):
of postmaster. He wrote, a whole book could be written
about the many admirable women who work away with all
their tact and business prudence, trying to please their patrons
and the department alike, and pleasing both. Because they try,
sometimes they are the most important persons in their towns. Yeah,
women managed about ten percent of the countries seventy thousand

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post offices by the end of the nineteenth century. And
because of that community and almost reverence people had for
people who worked with the USPS and postmasters at these
admirable women. As Marshall Cushing alluded to, there are so
many legends, so many legends about women in the USPS,

(16:24):
and we have some amazing ones to share with you.
What's excited. But first we're gonna pause for a quick
break for work from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you.

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Sponsored so because the job was physically demanding, and mail
wagons were frequent targets of bandits and women of course
we're seen as fragile. So fragile female post carriers were
almost mythical. Oh yes, let's go take Polly Martin. She
became the first known woman to carry mail on a

(17:05):
contract route or star route. From eighteen sixty to eighteen
seventy six, he drove a mail wagon in Massachusetts, delivering
mail packages, telegraphs, and sometimes providing transport for up the
six people. In eighty four Boston Globe interview with Polly
Martin was subtitled Grave Polly Martin, who used to drive
the Attleborough Mail. How she horse whipped highway robbers and

(17:26):
silenced saucy passengers who, according to her, she'd only been
accosted one time by a robber. She beat him in
the face with a horse whip and kept going. She
said in an interview quote he had tackled the wrong
customer that time. Get him, Polly dang so. In eight
article from The New York Times wrote of Mini Westman,

(17:49):
a mail carrier out of Oregon, that she quote carries
the mail night and day and fears nothing. She rise
the horseback and carries a trusty revolver. Yes. The Washington
wrote about Arizona's Burke, who twice a week traveled her
fifty two mile route that was described as quote wild
and desolate and God forsaken love this. I love this.

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This would have been right up my alley as a
kid kind of a post woman in the post office.
Why why isn't there, Hollywood? Get on, are ready? We
are waiting. The first known black woman to carry mail
was Mary Fields and the eighteen nineties formerly enslaved, Fields
was legendary in her Montanna. In her Montana town, she

(18:36):
smoked cigars, She drank a lot, she was a crack shot,
she was very kind. Um. When she died, her obituary
was on the front page of both the local papers.
People adored her. Yes, and and always the caveat was first. Um.
Hard to pin that down for sure. And in fact,

(18:56):
the USPS official they have a timeline that was really
helpful and putting all the us together. They even say, like,
you know, we're dependent on records that survived or records
that were even kept. So yeah, yeah, And some of
the dates confused me in their own timeline because I
think they were sort of this unofficial thing happening where

(19:17):
women were carrying male but they weren't officially recognized. So
sometimes I'd be like, but you said, the first woman
to do that did that like ten twenty years ago.
But I think it's kind of this difference in officially
recognizing they were accredited with it. Yeah, and and even
if they you know, mentioned somebody was delivering rural mail

(19:37):
and eighteen whatever. Uh, that was sort of before there
was this level of here's a contract route in a
local route and you're officially affiliated with the USPS, so
they can get kind of muddled. But anyway, um in
rural free mail delivery service was introduced, and three years

(19:58):
later the first Assistant Postmaster General said, on at least
two routes, there are girl carriers and they are as
unflagging in their devotion to the service as the men
and as efficient tool. Yeah. In nineteen o two, the
Postmaster General ordered quote a classified woman employee in the
Postal Service who shall change her name by marriage will
not be reappointed. He believed married women should stay at

(20:22):
home and take care of their wifely duties. They can't
do that if they have a paper cut any that's true,
that's true. Uh. Though there were some exceptions to this,
but the law did remain in place until nineteen one.
Something similar was enacted during the Great Depression, requiring that
federally employed women who were married to federally employed men

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would be the first to be dismissed, a law that
wasn't repealed until ninety seven. So Also in nineteen o two,
The New York Times ran a piece on discrimination in
civil services like the post office, reporting that several of
them requests only the male names for the red to start,
despite the fact more women took and passed the exam.
In response, an official said, every time a woman is

(21:06):
appointed to a clerkship in one of the departments, she
lessens the chances of marriage for herself and deprives some
worthy man of a chance to take unto himself and
raise a family. In addition to that, the men make
for better clerks. They complain lest do more work and
work over time if maybe without grumbling. Oh, I would

(21:27):
never want to deprive some worthy man of a chance
to raise his family or probably more accurately, be working
at the post office the line raising while he ignores me. Okay, cool, Yeah,
it's strange to read uh these because again this is
in like the official USPS timeline are like wow, people
really just alright, just putting it out there. Yeah, okay,

(21:51):
a lot of people were really opposed to to female
rural carriers. Um. I got really confused at first because
there was a big hubbub about women can only wear skirts,
but you can't wear a skirt to be a mail carrier,
and so there was this whole argument over what was
better if the female male carriers should like break gender

(22:12):
norms and wear pants or if she should keep the skirt.
And I was like, wow, is this why the beginning
of the blue shorts happened? I really hope so that
they were like, let's just get rid of all of
those things. Yes, let's start a new I know the
bag is designed for dog attacks. That yeah, that makes sense.

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But I love my favorite videos right now? Are that
the relationship between postal workers, mail carriers and dogs. Yeah,
those are some of my favorites. Well, um, yeah, people
were really torried about this whole skirt dilemma, and a
lot of the female male carriers wanted to wear skirt.
Um some some didn't, but a lot of them did.

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Some saloons banded together to put their mailboxes outside so
female carriers didn't have to sacrifice their dignity by entering.
That's kind of them. Sure. Sure. A proposal to allow
for male and female carriers of to work for the
post office was described by some as quote worse than reconstruction.

(23:17):
And I believe someone said it was the beginning of
the end of our country. I feel like we've heard
that statement so many times, been doing things I know,
I feel like you're right. Well. Nevertheless, the number of
women mail carriers exploded over the course of the twentieth century,
going from only a few hundred to eighty four thousand

(23:37):
at the turn of the new millennium. Yeah, I get
them girls. So. In nineteen o five, and Atlanta Journal
Constitution article described the near death experience of Edda E.
Bolton out of Mobile, Alabama. She was driving her milk
wagon across a swollen stream over a rickety bridge, when
just as she reached the middle, the structure gave way.
With great presence of mind and exceptional pluck, she managed

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to extra herself on the debris and the struggling horse
and gained the shore. The wagon, horse, and contents of
the vehicle. We're doing their best to make an end
to all, but miss Bolton plunged again into the torch
and worked like a heroine of old to save the property.
Nearly exhausted, she finally gave the bank, having saved every
sack and pouch of mail. I mean this is exciting.

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That is again. Why is it this a movie? I
don't know, but I love it. I love it. I
also feel like pluck is such a specific term to
use for women in this particular case to our plug um.
The Los Angeles Sunday Times published an article in the
nineteen seven called life Not all cake and ale. Woman

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male carrier has her share of trouble about Sarah George,
whose biggest concern corn to her was the terrain, including
a swamp. She said quote, if you once get into
that mudhole, all the King's horses and all the King's
men can hardly get you out. Also great article title
up for real mail went airborne in nineteen eleven, and

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the first female pilot to make a mail drop was
Catherine Stinson in nine, both as a stunt um and
then she went on to do regular airmail. In en
she attempted to make the shock Chicago to New York
route in one day, but she ran out of fuel
and was forced to land where she was forced to
land with this muddy field, and it was so muddy
that she slid and crashed. However, she was uninjured, but

(25:28):
her plane had to be repaired, so she could not
accomplish her goal, her one day goal. Still, she wrote
two American records on this trip, one for skill and
the other four indurance, So not bad. Helen Ritchie was
the first known woman to regularly complete air roots in
ninety four, and she beat out eight other pilots for that.
I feel like this needs to be a contest somehow,

(25:50):
reality show contest, Like, so you can deliver the mail
the fastest, Like it sounds such a competition to have
all of these records. This is amazing. So ricords indicate
that children were sometimes affixed with stamps and meld in
train compartments. So that's interesting. Someone even wrote to the
Postmaster General about the best way to wrap a baby

(26:11):
for transportation. Uh, this is right when the USBs just
received authorization from Congress to deliver packages. Yes, and I
just want to put that in there because it's an
interesting fact. But also again, like I'm pretty sure people
were delivering packages before this, right, but this was just
kind of the official coming down from Congress. Yes, seems

(26:32):
such a morbid way to send a baby, but okay,
it's only his cheap But it was cheap a couple
of stamps and one forebber stamping you're good. Awesome. So
twenty five women took the Civil Service Carrier exam in Washington,
d c. In nineteen eighteen, with a clear understanding that
they would only get jobs if there are no men
to fill them. Of course, later that year, Armacy Craig

(26:55):
became the city's first regularly appointed carrier. Many women did
give up their roots when men returned home from war,
but some continued um and something similar happened during World
War Two. During the fifties, women made up less than
one percent of carriers. To change that, the postmaster hired
former Congresswoman Cecil M. Harden as his special assistant for

(27:19):
Women's affairs in nineteen fifty nine. She went on speaking
tours promoting women as carriers, with middling results. There was increased,
but not that much um. The number for female postmasters
went up during World War Two as well, from about
seventeen thousand, five hundred forty two thousand, six hundred eighty
by nineteen forty three, more than of the forty one thousand,

(27:41):
five D seventy five postmaster positions were held by women.
The Postmaster General released a press release about this in
nineteen fifty eight, writing quote, with our near sixteen thousand
women postmasters, representing close to half of our entire management staff,
we believe it is fair to say the American Post
Office Department recognizes the management abilities of women preps more
than any other private or governmental organization anywhere. Yeah of

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all black people who earned above the national media and
income were postal workers by nine. So during World War Two,
a group of eight hundred fifty five black women in
the six thousand eight Central Postal Directory Battalion of the
Women's Army Auxiliary of Corps managed the military's mail. It
was headed up by Major Charity Adams early by the wars,

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and she was the highest ranking black woman in the military.
So this battalion was the only one that was all
black and all women. They're deployed in England and France,
and when they arrived in England in nineteen three, there
were letters stacked to the ceiling. They're able to deliver
morale boosting letters to the seven million American soldiers stations
in Europe. Despite this important work, the army was still segregated, surprise, surprise,

(28:53):
and the woman ate and slept and segregated barracks. So many,
so many stories here. Um again, I want this to
be a whole series. Oh, it could be like an
HBO limited run Blakely Circle, bla Blakely Bleakly circle. What
are your talking the women who did the coding, the
Morris coding, clear as day, Clear as a day. But

(29:20):
in the meantime, we're not done with these stories. But
first we have one more quick break for a word
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President John F. Kennedy formed the President's Commission on the
Status of Women in nineteen sixty one, specifically to examine
the employment practices of federal offices, and in nineteen sixty
two he ordered that federal appointments be made without regards
to sex. More and more women became carriers. By in
nine three, they made up about ten percent of carriers UH.

(30:04):
The ninety three Equal Pay Act also made room for
more black women, and the number employed shut up. At
the USPS, women were fighting for the rights for standard
uniforms and separate met equal bathrooms in the nineteen sixties.
Skirts were made in official uniform option in nineteen fifty,
and it wasn't until nineteen sixty nine that women were

(30:26):
allowed into the US Postal Inspection Service, and in nineteen
seventy four, the Postal Service claimed it was one of
the world's largest employers of women, the product of a
longstanding postal tradition of providing career opportunities to women. Really,
it took a long while to get there, though, so
women in the service looked at the lack of leadership
in the agency and disagreed. As I said. In response,

(30:49):
the Postal Service founded the Women's Program to seek out
women for placement in high level jobs, and it was
semi successful. At the time, women made up only sixteen
point five percent of those positions, less than any other
federal agencies, and the leader of this program, Mary Valentino,
called it only on paper. She filed a class action
lawsuit for a hundred and fifty five thousand female Postal

(31:11):
Service workers in nineteen seventies. Seven letter carriers began to
unionize in the eighteen sixties, So yeah, it's going back up.
Bit um, including mostly black National Alliance of Postal Employees,
and in the nineteen seventies, jumping to our prison spot
on the tire line carriers ran on an eight days

(31:32):
strike dubbed the Revolt of the Good Guys. This led
to an Act of Congress establishing the USPS. Prior had
been called the Post Office Department and funded by taxpayers.
So this is our more modern iteration we're seeing right here.
Um now. It was expected to fund itself, and by
the nineteen nineties, not only was it doing that, it
was profiting. That changed with a new law in two

(31:55):
thousand and six that required that the Post Office pay
up front the benefits of future employe is spanning seventy
five years into the future, and since then, perhaps obviously,
it is not reported a profit. In nive Jackie Strange
was appointed as Deputy Postmaster General, the highest rank ever
held by a woman in the Postal Office at the time.

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Her work when it came to advancing women in the
USPS was regarded so well that Australia's Postbuster General asked
her for advice. In two thousand eight. Women made up
six of the twenty thousand eighty nine postmaster positions and
Megan J. Brennan became the first female Postmaster General in
So what is storied history? Um, we definitely have ways

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to go still, but just much Sometimes I choose a
topic and I really have no idea how interesting it's
going to be. I mean, this thus feels like wild
Wild West kind of level of history with them, um
civil rights history in it too, and I think it
would be a great series. Someone needs to do this asap. Yes, yes,

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