December 6, 2019 • 12 mins
On today's casual chat, Tracy and Holly discuss their Texas tour, regional barbecue styles, and the holiday figures in the fourth installment of the Krampus and Friends Holiday Special.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production
of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hello, and welcome
to the podcast. I'm Tracy be Wilson and I'm Holly Fry.
Have some behind the scenes on our live show on
Barbecue Slash our tour through three cities in Texas, which
(00:25):
was an adventure, a totally different adventure from the last
time we went to Texas. That's true. Last time we
went to Texas, we got diverted to Shreveport. Uh. This time,
all of our travels were pretty smooth. All of our
travels were pretty smooth before the time that we So
we had gone to do a live show at the
Dallas Museum of Art. On approach to the Dallas Airport,
(00:48):
we got diverted to Shreveport, and we found out we
had been diverted once we were on the ground. That
was the whole uh little adventure. But then also the
one time I had been to Texas before, at by Air,
I had what continues to be the worst in flight
experience of my life in terms of the turbulence level,
(01:08):
and it put me off of flying for more than
a decade after that. Uh, And so I had I
had some assorted Texas travel baggage. Once I was home
from all of it and had not even had like
there had been I had had no flight delays of
a meaningful amount and like pretty smooth flights. Everything went
(01:29):
really smoothly. I was like, Okay, I feel pretty good
about this. Yeah, uh knock good. I mean I almost
I even though we're done with tour for this year,
I'm scared to say it all went well. Like something
will come and bite us in some way, we're seen,
but we had pretty good fortune throughout our travels, both
in the Middle West andrew Texas. Even I on one
leg of it had like a fifteen minute turnaround in
(01:51):
an airport where I had to make a connector and
that went fine. Big thanks to the Delta app for
now having maps in the app of the terminal you're
flying into so you can see exactly how you have
to get to the next place, because I just booked
it off my flight and I knew exactly where to go,
and I made it no problem. Like I literally got
to the next gate as they were boarding my group
and I just walked right on. So it worked out perfectly. Um,
(02:13):
but yeah, we had a great time in Texas. We
ate a lot of spectacular food in every city we
were in. I feel like I need to apologize to
you because when we talked about Lexington barbecue and your
form of slaw, even though we whenever we have a
live show, we try to get that outline to one
(02:34):
another ahead of time, more so than we would if
we were recording the show in the studio, and we
review it several times because it is live and you
wanted to be as smooth as possible. But for some reason,
even though I had read it probably at that point
seven times, I had always completely missed the whole thing
about catch up being used in the cole slaw that
you grew up with. When it came up in the show,
(02:56):
I was like, what, yuck? Which is not cool. Oh
that's not cool at all. It's totally fine. People like
what they like. And I did feel like and it
didn't really occur to me until afterward. If I am
making a coal slaw or eating a coal slaw that's
made with with a lot of mayonnaise, like usually it's
it's pretty, there's there's a lot, there's a lot of mayonnaise.
(03:17):
But with Lexington style barbecue slaw, like the end result
isn't gloppy in any way. It doesn't feel like it's
saturated with ketchup, Like I wouldn't even know that ketchup
is necessarily the ingredient without reading a lot of recipes
about how to make it myself because you can't buy
it anywhere in Massachusetts. Does it just have like a
tomato eat appeal or a look to it like a
(03:40):
tomato looks. The color of it is pretty reddish. It
does not look like it's drenched in ketchup or tomato
sauce or anything like that. Because a lot of the
component ingredients to go into it make up a lot
of barbecue sauces. Sometimes people make it with a barbecue
sauce instead of with ketchup. It kind of depends on
(04:01):
who's doing what, but it winds up having a spicy
quality to it. M I really enjoyed. So my favorite
thing in terms of Lexington style barbecue is to have
a barbecue sandwich with a slaw on top, served on
a hamburger bun. Really delicious. I know all everyone in
the audience is like just waiting with bated breath. What
kind of barbecue is Tracy? Like? Best um so for
(04:25):
folks who were not on any of our Texas tour,
I think, apart from the random scattering of North Carolinians
who were in the various audiences who have transplanted to Texas, uh,
the revelation of what that s law is like just
brought on abject horror from every It was a little
shocking for Rents every night. Yeah. Then the other thing
(04:50):
was when we chose barbecue as the topic because we
wanted something that seemed like fun, and because the tour
was was in Texas, we wanted something that felt kind
of Texasy. Like we said that in the intro um.
I wasn't really uh concerned about that as a topic
until we cut closer to it, and I was like,
(05:10):
what if people like, We've heard very from various folks
in the audience who don't eat meat about their preferences
of regarding how we would talk about meat on the episode,
And I was like, what if? What if people don't
like what we're talking about? And then after we did
the first one, I was like, what if everybody's opinions
about barbecue are so strong that no one has fun
on the rest of this show. But I think people
(05:32):
did have fun, so it worked out. Yeah, everybody went
into it with really really a great sense of humor,
and even though all of our audiences were really fun
and that they were very reactive and they would let
you know how they felt about the barbecue you were
talking about, but it was all in a really really
fun sense, like I never felt like, oh, they they're
against us. I had a great time. It was so
(05:55):
spectacularly fun. I had been worrying. I mentioned this during
the show in a part that that isn't going to air,
that I've been worried because I'm not the biggest fan
of barbecue generally. It turns out that I have recently
had Texas barbecue prior to going on this tour, and
I freaking loved it. So I'm very pleased that worked
out for me because then I was on a tour
(06:15):
of delicious things and I could sample Texas barbecue throughout
the state, which was a very good piece of fortune
for me. Yes, I would also like to say I
had am in Houston. I had a very delicious vegetarian
lunch because after the first two days of the tour,
which involved a whole lot of meat and cheese, my
(06:36):
body was like, hey, how about some vegetables. Yeah, I didn't.
I didn't have that problem yet. When I got home,
my body was like, please eat nothing but broccoli for
the next two days. Yeah. Yeah, but I needed some
some leafy greens. But we had a great, great time.
We did, Tracy, I have exciting news. What is it.
(06:58):
For the first time in a few years, I think
I might have holiday spirit. Yeah, you've been a little grinchy.
Is that what you're telling me. I don't It's not
even that I've been grinchy. I've just been too busy,
and even though I'm actually probably busier this year than
I've been in previous years. I don't know. We're just
feeling it. We're also going to try a Christmas tree
this year for the first time in like five or
(07:19):
six years, because last time we attempted it, our cats
destroyed it and we haven't done it since. Or we've
put up like a very tiny two footer. But I
got a seven foot, bright purple Christmas tree this year.
That sounds awesome. We have not put it up yet.
We'll see how that goes. Yeah, I think we're doing
the opposite and not putting up a tree because we
(07:40):
have kittens, and we also have the first time that
we're leaving them with a pet sitter overnight during the
season when a tree would be up, and we're well
nervous about that. We don't want to do it. That
is a valid I think, even with our sorts, just
gonna put plush on the trees. But it did occur
to me if I can find and I think you
(08:01):
gave me a cute guerilla ornaments covered uh several years
ago in one of our previous installments. That's wooden, so
that won't break if it falls off, like it's a
flat wooden carving um. And we're gonna do little plush things.
I think for a lot of it to be safe,
because again I love them, but I don't trust them
(08:21):
now now I also feel like we should mention. One
of the most harrowing aspects of doing any of these
international holiday episodes is always a language issue. Yep. I
always feel terrible, particularly when we get to any Asian words,
because I butchered them and that is not my intent.
We actually got an email from a listener once about
(08:43):
how disrespectful he found it, and I was like, I'm
not trying to disrespect anybody. I assure you, I'm just
not good at this. Yeah, neither of us speaks a
tonal language, which Japanese is not to be clear, but like,
neither of us speaks a tonal language. And there's a
lot that goes into trying to get pronunciations right on
(09:05):
the show, Like there's a ton of time that is
spent trying to find tu But even at the same time,
for the vast majority of languages on the planet, you
and I are are beginners, like absolute beginners. It's like
being on your first day of a foreign language class
every time. Um, so, yeah, there's there's a lot of
(09:29):
time and effort that gets put into that. But like
we're always going to sound like we don't know how
to speak this language because we don't. Yeah, I also
have the really bad habit of because the only other
language that I've spent a good deal of time with
and I'm not even proficient in it, but I'm better
in it than anything else is French. I pronounced everything
with the French checks well, which is terrible. We've also
(09:53):
gotten that as advice from someone on pronunciations before, Like
I just heard it works really well if you just
pronounce every thing as though it sounds French and I'm like,
that's not correct. That's a fast way to offend a
lot of people and make sure they don't know what
you're talking about. Uh though it might sound pretty just
in terms of like musicality, Yeah, probably not for the best,
(10:16):
but yeah, so I it's one of those things. I
also really really loved. I did not know much prior
to this episode about the Seven Lucky Gods, and I
kind of love that idea of visiting seven different shrines
and just kind of spending time with your hopes for
the year in that way. Yeah, which is something I'm
trying to figure out, like a way to incorporate a
(10:36):
similar idea of just um not just rushing through my
my resolutions list, which I make one every year and
I love them. I'm a big fan of the resolutions list.
I know it's not for everybody, but really thinking about
what I'm what I hope for in the new year
in a way that's a little bit less goal oriented
and more just hopeful. So that's lovely this episod. So
(11:00):
it ended up kind of giving me food for thought
about how I think about So you did the research
on this one, and when you sent the outline to me, Um,
I thought that the Seven Lucky Gods were entirely new information.
But then when I went to get artwork for the
episode and I saw pictures of them, I was like, oh,
I've seen like this picture. Yeah, and this grouping of like,
(11:24):
I've seen this in a lot of places. So it
was nice to have the context for this imagery that
I've seen in that I was already familiar with and
didn't realize. Yeah. And even though they all do have
individual personalities and and um associations in terms of their virtues,
they usually are depicted in a group together and I
had similarly, I had seen images of them, but I
(11:47):
didn't realize what I was looking at. So I felt
like this kind of expanded my worldview a little bit
and opened up my brain. So thank you for the
world of of history and traditions, because we learned stuff
that can impact us in positive days. Uh. Yeah, I
hope that is how listeners feel about things as well. Uh.
And once again, I just want to make sure everybody,
no matter what you're celebrating, has fantastic, fantastic end of
(12:10):
the year. Yeah, And if if you're celebrating nothing. I
also hope that you, yeah, a great year end. Yeah,
the holidays can be rough for people. It comes with
a lot of different different flavors of baggage, for sure.
And if just getting through the end of the year
is what feels like success for you, bravo, we hope
that you have that and that it is the smoothest
(12:31):
possible journey through a potentially difficult time. So thank you
for listening all year round, uh, and we really appreciate
having you with us this year and every year. Stuff
You Missed in History Class is a production of I
Heart Radios How Stuff Works. For more podcasts For my
Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,
(12:53):
or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.
Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production
of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hello, and welcome
to the podcast. I'm Tracy be Wilson and I'm Holly Fry.
Have some behind the scenes on our live show on
Barbecue Slash our tour through three cities in Texas, which
(00:25):
was an adventure, a totally different adventure from the last
time we went to Texas. That's true. Last time we
went to Texas, we got diverted to Shreveport. Uh. This time,
all of our travels were pretty smooth. All of our
travels were pretty smooth before the time that we So
we had gone to do a live show at the
Dallas Museum of Art. On approach to the Dallas Airport,
(00:48):
we got diverted to Shreveport, and we found out we
had been diverted once we were on the ground. That
was the whole uh little adventure. But then also the
one time I had been to Texas before, at by Air,
I had what continues to be the worst in flight
experience of my life in terms of the turbulence level,
(01:08):
and it put me off of flying for more than
a decade after that. Uh, And so I had I
had some assorted Texas travel baggage. Once I was home
from all of it and had not even had like
there had been I had had no flight delays of
a meaningful amount and like pretty smooth flights. Everything went
(01:29):
really smoothly. I was like, Okay, I feel pretty good
about this. Yeah, uh knock good. I mean I almost
I even though we're done with tour for this year,
I'm scared to say it all went well. Like something
will come and bite us in some way, we're seen,
but we had pretty good fortune throughout our travels, both
in the Middle West andrew Texas. Even I on one
leg of it had like a fifteen minute turnaround in
(01:51):
an airport where I had to make a connector and
that went fine. Big thanks to the Delta app for
now having maps in the app of the terminal you're
flying into so you can see exactly how you have
to get to the next place, because I just booked
it off my flight and I knew exactly where to go,
and I made it no problem. Like I literally got
to the next gate as they were boarding my group
and I just walked right on. So it worked out perfectly. Um,
(02:13):
but yeah, we had a great time in Texas. We
ate a lot of spectacular food in every city we
were in. I feel like I need to apologize to
you because when we talked about Lexington barbecue and your
form of slaw, even though we whenever we have a
live show, we try to get that outline to one
(02:34):
another ahead of time, more so than we would if
we were recording the show in the studio, and we
review it several times because it is live and you
wanted to be as smooth as possible. But for some reason,
even though I had read it probably at that point
seven times, I had always completely missed the whole thing
about catch up being used in the cole slaw that
you grew up with. When it came up in the show,
(02:56):
I was like, what, yuck? Which is not cool. Oh
that's not cool at all. It's totally fine. People like
what they like. And I did feel like and it
didn't really occur to me until afterward. If I am
making a coal slaw or eating a coal slaw that's
made with with a lot of mayonnaise, like usually it's
it's pretty, there's there's a lot, there's a lot of mayonnaise.
(03:17):
But with Lexington style barbecue slaw, like the end result
isn't gloppy in any way. It doesn't feel like it's
saturated with ketchup, Like I wouldn't even know that ketchup
is necessarily the ingredient without reading a lot of recipes
about how to make it myself because you can't buy
it anywhere in Massachusetts. Does it just have like a
tomato eat appeal or a look to it like a
(03:40):
tomato looks. The color of it is pretty reddish. It
does not look like it's drenched in ketchup or tomato
sauce or anything like that. Because a lot of the
component ingredients to go into it make up a lot
of barbecue sauces. Sometimes people make it with a barbecue
sauce instead of with ketchup. It kind of depends on
(04:01):
who's doing what, but it winds up having a spicy
quality to it. M I really enjoyed. So my favorite
thing in terms of Lexington style barbecue is to have
a barbecue sandwich with a slaw on top, served on
a hamburger bun. Really delicious. I know all everyone in
the audience is like just waiting with bated breath. What
kind of barbecue is Tracy? Like? Best um so for
(04:25):
folks who were not on any of our Texas tour,
I think, apart from the random scattering of North Carolinians
who were in the various audiences who have transplanted to Texas, uh,
the revelation of what that s law is like just
brought on abject horror from every It was a little
shocking for Rents every night. Yeah. Then the other thing
(04:50):
was when we chose barbecue as the topic because we
wanted something that seemed like fun, and because the tour
was was in Texas, we wanted something that felt kind
of Texasy. Like we said that in the intro um.
I wasn't really uh concerned about that as a topic
until we cut closer to it, and I was like,
(05:10):
what if people like, We've heard very from various folks
in the audience who don't eat meat about their preferences
of regarding how we would talk about meat on the episode,
And I was like, what if? What if people don't
like what we're talking about? And then after we did
the first one, I was like, what if everybody's opinions
about barbecue are so strong that no one has fun
on the rest of this show. But I think people
(05:32):
did have fun, so it worked out. Yeah, everybody went
into it with really really a great sense of humor,
and even though all of our audiences were really fun
and that they were very reactive and they would let
you know how they felt about the barbecue you were
talking about, but it was all in a really really
fun sense, like I never felt like, oh, they they're
against us. I had a great time. It was so
(05:55):
spectacularly fun. I had been worrying. I mentioned this during
the show in a part that that isn't going to air,
that I've been worried because I'm not the biggest fan
of barbecue generally. It turns out that I have recently
had Texas barbecue prior to going on this tour, and
I freaking loved it. So I'm very pleased that worked
out for me because then I was on a tour
(06:15):
of delicious things and I could sample Texas barbecue throughout
the state, which was a very good piece of fortune
for me. Yes, I would also like to say I
had am in Houston. I had a very delicious vegetarian
lunch because after the first two days of the tour,
which involved a whole lot of meat and cheese, my
(06:36):
body was like, hey, how about some vegetables. Yeah, I didn't.
I didn't have that problem yet. When I got home,
my body was like, please eat nothing but broccoli for
the next two days. Yeah. Yeah, but I needed some
some leafy greens. But we had a great, great time.
We did, Tracy, I have exciting news. What is it.
(06:58):
For the first time in a few years, I think
I might have holiday spirit. Yeah, you've been a little grinchy.
Is that what you're telling me. I don't It's not
even that I've been grinchy. I've just been too busy,
and even though I'm actually probably busier this year than
I've been in previous years. I don't know. We're just
feeling it. We're also going to try a Christmas tree
this year for the first time in like five or
(07:19):
six years, because last time we attempted it, our cats
destroyed it and we haven't done it since. Or we've
put up like a very tiny two footer. But I
got a seven foot, bright purple Christmas tree this year.
That sounds awesome. We have not put it up yet.
We'll see how that goes. Yeah, I think we're doing
the opposite and not putting up a tree because we
(07:40):
have kittens, and we also have the first time that
we're leaving them with a pet sitter overnight during the
season when a tree would be up, and we're well
nervous about that. We don't want to do it. That
is a valid I think, even with our sorts, just
gonna put plush on the trees. But it did occur
to me if I can find and I think you
(08:01):
gave me a cute guerilla ornaments covered uh several years
ago in one of our previous installments. That's wooden, so
that won't break if it falls off, like it's a
flat wooden carving um. And we're gonna do little plush things.
I think for a lot of it to be safe,
because again I love them, but I don't trust them
(08:21):
now now I also feel like we should mention. One
of the most harrowing aspects of doing any of these
international holiday episodes is always a language issue. Yep. I
always feel terrible, particularly when we get to any Asian words,
because I butchered them and that is not my intent.
We actually got an email from a listener once about
(08:43):
how disrespectful he found it, and I was like, I'm
not trying to disrespect anybody. I assure you, I'm just
not good at this. Yeah, neither of us speaks a
tonal language, which Japanese is not to be clear, but like,
neither of us speaks a tonal language. And there's a
lot that goes into trying to get pronunciations right on
(09:05):
the show, Like there's a ton of time that is
spent trying to find tu But even at the same time,
for the vast majority of languages on the planet, you
and I are are beginners, like absolute beginners. It's like
being on your first day of a foreign language class
every time. Um, so, yeah, there's there's a lot of
(09:29):
time and effort that gets put into that. But like
we're always going to sound like we don't know how
to speak this language because we don't. Yeah, I also
have the really bad habit of because the only other
language that I've spent a good deal of time with
and I'm not even proficient in it, but I'm better
in it than anything else is French. I pronounced everything
with the French checks well, which is terrible. We've also
(09:53):
gotten that as advice from someone on pronunciations before, Like
I just heard it works really well if you just
pronounce every thing as though it sounds French and I'm like,
that's not correct. That's a fast way to offend a
lot of people and make sure they don't know what
you're talking about. Uh though it might sound pretty just
in terms of like musicality, Yeah, probably not for the best,
(10:16):
but yeah, so I it's one of those things. I
also really really loved. I did not know much prior
to this episode about the Seven Lucky Gods, and I
kind of love that idea of visiting seven different shrines
and just kind of spending time with your hopes for
the year in that way. Yeah, which is something I'm
trying to figure out, like a way to incorporate a
(10:36):
similar idea of just um not just rushing through my
my resolutions list, which I make one every year and
I love them. I'm a big fan of the resolutions list.
I know it's not for everybody, but really thinking about
what I'm what I hope for in the new year
in a way that's a little bit less goal oriented
and more just hopeful. So that's lovely this episod. So
(11:00):
it ended up kind of giving me food for thought
about how I think about So you did the research
on this one, and when you sent the outline to me, Um,
I thought that the Seven Lucky Gods were entirely new information.
But then when I went to get artwork for the
episode and I saw pictures of them, I was like, oh,
I've seen like this picture. Yeah, and this grouping of like,
(11:24):
I've seen this in a lot of places. So it
was nice to have the context for this imagery that
I've seen in that I was already familiar with and
didn't realize. Yeah. And even though they all do have
individual personalities and and um associations in terms of their virtues,
they usually are depicted in a group together and I
had similarly, I had seen images of them, but I
(11:47):
didn't realize what I was looking at. So I felt
like this kind of expanded my worldview a little bit
and opened up my brain. So thank you for the
world of of history and traditions, because we learned stuff
that can impact us in positive days. Uh. Yeah, I
hope that is how listeners feel about things as well. Uh.
And once again, I just want to make sure everybody,
no matter what you're celebrating, has fantastic, fantastic end of
(12:10):
the year. Yeah, And if if you're celebrating nothing. I
also hope that you, yeah, a great year end. Yeah,
the holidays can be rough for people. It comes with
a lot of different different flavors of baggage, for sure.
And if just getting through the end of the year
is what feels like success for you, bravo, we hope
that you have that and that it is the smoothest
(12:31):
possible journey through a potentially difficult time. So thank you
for listening all year round, uh, and we really appreciate
having you with us this year and every year. Stuff
You Missed in History Class is a production of I
Heart Radios How Stuff Works. For more podcasts For my
Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,
(12:53):
or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.
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