January 14, 2022 • 8 mins
Tracy shares the logistics of assembling her lists for Unearthed!, and she and Holly talk about criteria for leaving details out of the show on purpose. They also discuss confusion over days off, and Holly's excitement about Dutch Golden Age paintings.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production
of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday, Am Tracy V.
Wilson and I'm Holly Fry, and we had our Unearthed
to close out the year. As this week's episodes, UM
(00:24):
I wrote the vast majority of them before taking off
work for the holidays, and uh, as I alluded to
at the beginning of part one, when I made that plan,
I really didn't think we had January third off as
a company holiday. Once I found out that we had
January third off as a company holiday, it was it
was too late to revisit my schedule plan. And I
(00:48):
also did not want to work on my free day
off that I didn't know I had. So that is
why I was going through all of my RSS stuff
and more importantly, the things I emailed to myself over
the break, because whenever I saw something that really grabbed
my attention, I would sudden I would just emailed myself
the news article to look at when I got back
(01:10):
to work. Something I emailed myself that I did not
put in is there was an article in The Skeptical
Enquirer that named the person that the author believed was
Roland Doe from the extras case, and I had originally
typed up a thing to include in here, but I
(01:31):
was checking with you, Holly, who researched that episode of
the show, about whether this was actually new information. And
it does not appear that it was, like it's got
a lot of news coverage as though this was newly revealed.
But when I went to like do some fact checking,
(01:52):
I found a lot of stuff dating back to like
five years ago, ten years ago and longer ago, naming
the same person. Uh. I think you and I talked
about it, and and you had not gotten into that
specific in the Exorcist episode. Because this person still has
living kin. This is a I mean a sensitive thing
(02:13):
for a family. I would imagine we don't want to
harm people with our podcast exactly. Um. And so when
I realized that I took that part out something that
I found, uh, real frustrating when I was doing the research. Um,
We've had various things that we've talked about in the
(02:34):
past few installments of Unearthed that have been work that
has like confirmed Indigenous nations oral histories, with the indigenous
nations themselves being part of the research involved in the research.
And the the one that was about the catching salmon
and and intentionally keeping only the male salmon and returning
(02:57):
the females to the water, and how that had been
really import and so maintaining the salmon populations. Brought up
a conversation I had had with a friend of mine
about how when Europeans arrived in North America, a lot
of people were like, Wow, this is an amazing bountiful
land full of bounty, and it that didn't randomly happen.
(03:21):
That was because indigenous people had been stewarding the land
and practicing husbandry and agriculture for all of that time beforehand. Uh.
And it just it was a particular find that made
me real frustrating, uh, because it it's just like one
(03:42):
specific example of that whole pattern. Yeah, it's a good example,
not in that it is a good happening, but it's
a good example in that it it makes it very
clear that quote that you included that I read really
does put it in sharp contrast of this worked just
fine and even very very successfully for a long time,
(04:07):
hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years, and you destroyed
it in a hundred and fifty Like that's yeah, Uh,
it's you can't get much clearer than that. No, And
it's so relevant to so many things that we've talked
about on the podcast recently in terms of previous installments
of an Earth, when we've talked about practices that that
had been used on the land of the water and
(04:29):
the animals UM two be sustainable than then also things
that were more directly about sort of the extraction and
exploitation of the land, like the Iditar Bell versus Johndie
Rockfeller episode kind of pulled all of that together. I
enjoy working on these episodes. I've said that before working
(04:52):
on it, getting of it done, and then taking two
weeks off and jumping in Tuesday morning, I it was like,
I don't know who wrote this. That happens to be
on the time. I do feel compelled to tell you
the story. You mentioned that you had not initially realized
we were off on the third. UM many of our
(05:12):
coworkers didn't realize that at all. And I had tweeted
late Sunday night that the next day, the third, was
a holiday, and we had several of our coworkers replied
they were like, wait, we're off tomorrow. A bunch more
had deemed me had been like, are we really off tomorrow?
This wasn't secret information, it had been sent out, but
(05:35):
I think it the link to our new holiday thing
had happened late when a lot of people are left
for the year, And yeah, I wonder how many people
worked yesterday. Yeah, and because it because it fell on
a weekend. I know there were a lot of people
who normally have New Year's Day off as a holiday
who didn't because it fell on a weekend. Uh. Like
(05:57):
my spouse didn't have it as a holiday and took
it as a day of vacation because he was like,
I feel like I didn't get my holiday because it
fell on the weekend. Um. So yeah, it was. It
was definitely not secret. Just a lot of us missed
it that we were Yeah. Yes, it just cracked me up. Um,
(06:19):
here's when I was most excited. And it will surprise
no one in all of our unearthed stuff. That fabulous
find about how now the specific dates can be pinpointed
of Dutch Golden Age paintings. Oh yeah with the Yeah,
(06:41):
that's cool. I mean that's like an era of painting
that I am in love with. Um, So of course
I was like, what, I'm very excited. I'm trying to
remember where I saw a bunch of Dutch Golden Age stuff.
I think it was that time that we went to
New Bedford, UM, while I was researching the Pallcuffee episode.
(07:02):
I feel like that was where I feel like there
was a Dutch Golden Age exhibit. UM like the maritime
maritime subject matter. So yeah, yeah, there's a good amount
of it at the met. The Louve of course, has
everything you could ever want to look at. UM. I
(07:23):
get completely lost in those paintings like that. Just the
use of perspective in light is like magical for me.
So that was very cool. I can't remember if that
was an open access paper or not. If it was,
I'll send it to you. You You can read it yourself. Coolest,
the coolest. So uh, that concludes our Friday. I know
(07:44):
a lot of people in my life are sick right now,
so many, so many. If you're sick right now, if
people in your family you're sick, I really hope things
are going as well as possible. I know this was
an unexpected turn of events for a lot of people,
so really, I sincerely hope everybody is doing as well
(08:08):
as they can right now and whatever's happening on your weekend.
I hope it is as good and RESTful as it
possibly can be in these times. Uh. If you want
to send us a note about anything or history podcast that,
I heart radio dot Com'll be here tomorrow with a
Saturday Classic and have some new episodes next week. Stuff
(08:35):
you Missed in History Class is a production of I
heart Radio. For more podcasts from I heart Radio, visit
the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you
listen to your favorite shows.
Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production
of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday, Am Tracy V.
Wilson and I'm Holly Fry, and we had our Unearthed
to close out the year. As this week's episodes, UM
(00:24):
I wrote the vast majority of them before taking off
work for the holidays, and uh, as I alluded to
at the beginning of part one, when I made that plan,
I really didn't think we had January third off as
a company holiday. Once I found out that we had
January third off as a company holiday, it was it
was too late to revisit my schedule plan. And I
(00:48):
also did not want to work on my free day
off that I didn't know I had. So that is
why I was going through all of my RSS stuff
and more importantly, the things I emailed to myself over
the break, because whenever I saw something that really grabbed
my attention, I would sudden I would just emailed myself
the news article to look at when I got back
(01:10):
to work. Something I emailed myself that I did not
put in is there was an article in The Skeptical
Enquirer that named the person that the author believed was
Roland Doe from the extras case, and I had originally
typed up a thing to include in here, but I
(01:31):
was checking with you, Holly, who researched that episode of
the show, about whether this was actually new information. And
it does not appear that it was, like it's got
a lot of news coverage as though this was newly revealed.
But when I went to like do some fact checking,
(01:52):
I found a lot of stuff dating back to like
five years ago, ten years ago and longer ago, naming
the same person. Uh. I think you and I talked
about it, and and you had not gotten into that
specific in the Exorcist episode. Because this person still has
living kin. This is a I mean a sensitive thing
(02:13):
for a family. I would imagine we don't want to
harm people with our podcast exactly. Um. And so when
I realized that I took that part out something that
I found, uh, real frustrating when I was doing the research. Um,
We've had various things that we've talked about in the
(02:34):
past few installments of Unearthed that have been work that
has like confirmed Indigenous nations oral histories, with the indigenous
nations themselves being part of the research involved in the research.
And the the one that was about the catching salmon
and and intentionally keeping only the male salmon and returning
(02:57):
the females to the water, and how that had been
really import and so maintaining the salmon populations. Brought up
a conversation I had had with a friend of mine
about how when Europeans arrived in North America, a lot
of people were like, Wow, this is an amazing bountiful
land full of bounty, and it that didn't randomly happen.
(03:21):
That was because indigenous people had been stewarding the land
and practicing husbandry and agriculture for all of that time beforehand. Uh.
And it just it was a particular find that made
me real frustrating, uh, because it it's just like one
(03:42):
specific example of that whole pattern. Yeah, it's a good example,
not in that it is a good happening, but it's
a good example in that it it makes it very
clear that quote that you included that I read really
does put it in sharp contrast of this worked just
fine and even very very successfully for a long time,
(04:07):
hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years, and you destroyed
it in a hundred and fifty Like that's yeah, Uh,
it's you can't get much clearer than that. No, And
it's so relevant to so many things that we've talked
about on the podcast recently in terms of previous installments
of an Earth, when we've talked about practices that that
had been used on the land of the water and
(04:29):
the animals UM two be sustainable than then also things
that were more directly about sort of the extraction and
exploitation of the land, like the Iditar Bell versus Johndie
Rockfeller episode kind of pulled all of that together. I
enjoy working on these episodes. I've said that before working
(04:52):
on it, getting of it done, and then taking two
weeks off and jumping in Tuesday morning, I it was like,
I don't know who wrote this. That happens to be
on the time. I do feel compelled to tell you
the story. You mentioned that you had not initially realized
we were off on the third. UM many of our
(05:12):
coworkers didn't realize that at all. And I had tweeted
late Sunday night that the next day, the third, was
a holiday, and we had several of our coworkers replied
they were like, wait, we're off tomorrow. A bunch more
had deemed me had been like, are we really off tomorrow?
This wasn't secret information, it had been sent out, but
(05:35):
I think it the link to our new holiday thing
had happened late when a lot of people are left
for the year, And yeah, I wonder how many people
worked yesterday. Yeah, and because it because it fell on
a weekend. I know there were a lot of people
who normally have New Year's Day off as a holiday
who didn't because it fell on a weekend. Uh. Like
(05:57):
my spouse didn't have it as a holiday and took
it as a day of vacation because he was like,
I feel like I didn't get my holiday because it
fell on the weekend. Um. So yeah, it was. It
was definitely not secret. Just a lot of us missed
it that we were Yeah. Yes, it just cracked me up. Um,
(06:19):
here's when I was most excited. And it will surprise
no one in all of our unearthed stuff. That fabulous
find about how now the specific dates can be pinpointed
of Dutch Golden Age paintings. Oh yeah with the Yeah,
(06:41):
that's cool. I mean that's like an era of painting
that I am in love with. Um, So of course
I was like, what, I'm very excited. I'm trying to
remember where I saw a bunch of Dutch Golden Age stuff.
I think it was that time that we went to
New Bedford, UM, while I was researching the Pallcuffee episode.
(07:02):
I feel like that was where I feel like there
was a Dutch Golden Age exhibit. UM like the maritime
maritime subject matter. So yeah, yeah, there's a good amount
of it at the met. The Louve of course, has
everything you could ever want to look at. UM. I
(07:23):
get completely lost in those paintings like that. Just the
use of perspective in light is like magical for me.
So that was very cool. I can't remember if that
was an open access paper or not. If it was,
I'll send it to you. You You can read it yourself. Coolest,
the coolest. So uh, that concludes our Friday. I know
(07:44):
a lot of people in my life are sick right now,
so many, so many. If you're sick right now, if
people in your family you're sick, I really hope things
are going as well as possible. I know this was
an unexpected turn of events for a lot of people,
so really, I sincerely hope everybody is doing as well
(08:08):
as they can right now and whatever's happening on your weekend.
I hope it is as good and RESTful as it
possibly can be in these times. Uh. If you want
to send us a note about anything or history podcast that,
I heart radio dot Com'll be here tomorrow with a
Saturday Classic and have some new episodes next week. Stuff
(08:35):
you Missed in History Class is a production of I
heart Radio. For more podcasts from I heart Radio, visit
the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you
listen to your favorite shows.
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