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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wait that ass up in the morning. Breakfast Club. Morning.
Everybody is DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlomagne the guy. We
are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in
the building, some special guests. Yes, guess Division, What up?
What up? What up? Morning? You got individual names? Good
(00:21):
night Daniel, Right, Daniel, Welcome, it's your first time here.
But people that don't know who Division is, breakdown who
you are? Where y'are from? Um? Division is uh singer
producer Combo. I'm the singer of the group. This is
the producer from Toronto. UM. Yeah, and we are trying
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to own R and B right now. You're signed the
Drake's Ovio sound right? Yeah? How's that been? You know a
a lot of people say artist shouldn't sign the other artists.
How how's that been? Why? Why do you think people
say that, I don't know. I'm not an artist. I
don't know. People will usually say that when they signed
to an autist, you'll never get bigger than the artist
that you actually signed. That's not true. He got signed away, right, Yeah,
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So it always pans out. I mean, we're we're we're
kind of self contained, so we don't really look outside
to anybody to like have to give us the alleyup
or you know, come in and write the song for
us or do anything like that. So we really kind
of just stay in our our space, make what we're
gonna make, and then kind of go out. We've been
lucky to have some dope fans that have kind of
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really you know, help us get to this place and
like showed out to all the shows and know the
lyrics and the songs, and you know, um have been
supporting the whole thing. I mean, Angela, you know, she's
She's I've always loved division. Let me ask you this though,
when you guys, when Drake debut, you guys on over
your radio, did you already know, like what's the deal done? Okay,
(01:53):
So how did all of that happen? Is at that
point I was working with him, We were working on Views.
I think that's why we're working on the Views album.
And I got a spot to do like a DJ
segment on Opio Sign Radio, So I was like, I'll
play whatever I want, so I might as well play
my own group. Oh yeah, do you all feel like
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he stands next to Yard the way the way that
he should, because you know, you look at other artists
that are signed. The other artists like you'll see Ross
with his guys, you saw it Hold with his guys
back and even Wayne. Wayne is the great extent, but
always stood next to Young Money. I feel like he
stays the next yard the way you should. I feel
like it's it's that's up to everybody else to kind
of like figure out what they think is what they should.
As far as we feel, we just we are thankful
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for anything that we get at this point, you know,
anybody that that has given us the opportunities that that
have helped us get here, we're just thankful for. Like
in the beginning, but when we signed, he not only
put us on Views, which is one of the biggest
albums of the time obviously, and right after that we
were on a tour with him. We did Summer sixteen,
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right so that Alane And it's like whether you whether whatever,
however much you stand, you post you Instagram or you
don't like, please give you. Yeah, We're thankful for We
just take anything and turn it into energy. When people
were trying to figure out who Division was at first,
what are some of the craziest things you heard? Because
it was a lot of like who is division? How
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many people are in the group? I mean people thought that,
people thought he was singing, People thought it was me.
That was because he had kind of had a name already.
He did hotline blame, he did too much, he did
What else did you have at the time? Hold on,
we're going home? You got some money? He already had
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all that. So by the time by the time people
were trying to figure out division, they were trying they
were confused with whether it was him, whether there was
like a huge group behind it because they heard like
girl voices and choir voices, because we usually used to
choir in songs like like too Deep and stuff like that.
So I think people were kind of like, oh, there
girls in it, there's the guys, is it? What is it?
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And you know it was it was me singing and producing.
Too Deep is one of my favorite songs to put
on like a love making type of playlist, Right, So
can you talk about the meaning behind that because you
try to say it's not about like not pulling out, No,
it is, but it's the double meaning because it plays
on you know, when you're into deep, into you know,
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a relationship, anything in a situation you don't want to
pull back, you know, so it's like we're here, like,
let's let's live in the moment. That's so clever. I
really just was like, man, they're not pulling out, but
then yes, it isn't. Yeah, that's good for people know
that because then you know that. Uh. If I get
caught recording the first toxic record y'all made, then why
is too deep talking? That's toxic? What is the definition record? Yeah?
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What is the definition of toxic? Not pulling out? Its
toxic is child birth and beautiful procreation? M a random woman?
Okay you can. You have to have context, then you can't.
You didn't say that, you you just said a couple
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of times I'm married. Do you'll ever listen to home
music like when you're sex? No? No, never, never. That's
like jacking off to put it off? How do you
hook up with your main dore and whose idea was
if I can? Okay, Jermaine was well. Shout out to
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our our management team at helvran Um. They kind of
put together the first session and it was it just
ended up being me and Jermaine just just there and
at in Atlanta, in Atlanta and Suside and yeah. Literally
you could fast forward maybe seventy two hours and it
felt like we were like brothers. Like that was just
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like like a big brother children, you know, absolutely five.
So you know it's the relationship just kind of grew
and grew and grew. It's like I'm you know, I'm
having Christmas and New Year's Eve that his house just
met him is Tina like him and his mom. You know,
Like the relationship just really built. And if I get
caught was already we were already a bunch of records
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deep into this project that we're doing. And one day
we opened the studio door and he's just humming away.
As soon as he opened the door, he's like, and
I mean, I don't know you. And I was like, like,
what did you just say? Like and I'm like, that's
exactly what I want to say. How did what is that?
And so he walked into the studio. B Cox is
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already there playing strings and keys and stuff. And eighty
five came up with this idea of like he's like, Yo,
the way we use choir girl choirs, what if we
flip it and make it a bunch of guys saying
this and make it like a chant, and I was like,
oh my god, and I sat down and I wrote
these verses. Now the song, I think I think that
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on first listen, you people hear one thing, maybe even
second and third not a video. The video gives it
more content, a little bit more content, but I still
feel like, um, some people are still a little bit
confused abut what I'm actually talking about. Well, explain, because
is it safe to say that record is toxic? No,
definitely about that record everybody. Before you explain, continue with
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the story how the jay Z sample came about and
all that, Oh okay you want to say. With the
jay Z sample, we were kind of just talking back
and forth and I was like, yo, order if you
use that line from song cry and cut it up.
And I'm like, mmm, I don't know if we're gonna
get that cleared. And Jemaine's like, yo, you do what
you gotta do. I'll make those calls. I'm like you sure,
and he's like, yeah, you leave that to me. So
I did it, and still I was kind of thinking,
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I don't know if we're gonna get this to go.
And then in the group chat, he just he sent
that that same thing that we posted and I was like, Oh,
that's part of the reason why people think it's toxic too,
because jay Z said it is even more toxic than Yeah.
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I just hear more women saying that than anything. Nah,
it's honestly, it's not. It's not toxic at all. Explain explain. So, Um,
people hear the song and they think I'm saying, Yo,
I'm cheating on you. Eat that or hold that, you know,
kind of that kind of vibe. Um. The record, for one,
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is not talking about a guy that's cheating at all.
The whole song is me talking about being in a
situation with somebody who starts to feel like maybe or
their person is cheating on them, and I start to
address it from the standpoint of somebody that's like noticing that, Yo,
everything that used to attract that attracted you to me,
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as I'll, turned into your insecurity. Ye, you wouldn't want
me if other girls didn't want me. Yeah. The whole
idea of like, yo, I was I dressed well when
you met me. Now it's where you're getting dressed and
where you're going. You know, it was I was charismatic
and fun to be around when you went out when
you met me. Now it's like all you always in
people's face. You always got to talk who we always
you always got to be entertaining people. You always want
to be so funny. I think it's the part I
was sucking them girls I was gonna get. I don't
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say that. It's not that point. It's the it's the
it's the hook. But even whatever, let me keep going. No,
everything is me addressing, like this is why you like? This?
Is this all the things that have turned into and
I'm sure we can all be in situations that men
and women right right where. It's like everything that you
liked about me you are now have not turned to
insecurities because you realize other people like them. Correct. I
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always watch my penis in the sink when I come home.
You like, come on, wow, oh my god, what I've
actually never done that? You haven't done it a little bit. Never,
I've never done the penis sink. You're not gonna give
no contact to that. You're just gonna that's what people do.
You know, My guys cheat we're talking about I know,
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y'all cool, Maybe y'all that's why do that? When they cheat,
they wash their penis in the sink, Because why do.
They can just take a regular show exactly what you
get caught. They don't want to run home and take
a shower. That's when chet take a shower where you at?
Has this happened to you before? I don't know if
it's happened because I haven't witnessed it, but I know
guys have said that they just bath. It's called the
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bath when I never heard that either. Back to Penis
in the sink and watch. You're a guy, right, aren't y'all?
Guys I've never put my I'm trying to Penis. Sorry,
I'm back, but let me get back to let im saying.
So now the insecurity to turn to the point where
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it's like you're digging through phones, you're checking laptops, you're
doing all these these things to try to find something right,
and then you have to get into the psychology of
trying to find something. It's like, are you trying to
find something to be upset or you trying to find
something so you can find a way to leave? Right?
And my whole thing with this is, okay, So if
it's to leave, why would you why why would you
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want to leave somebody? Because when even if I was
to have done this. If hypothetically I was done this,
it wouldn't be because I all of a sudden fell
out of love with you. It would be because I
was being a selfish idiot and maybe did some stupid
some stupid things I shouldn't have done. Self indulging, freaking um,
being caught up in my ego, maybe trying to stroke
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my own ego and myself feel good. There's a bunch
of reasons that people cheat. I don't think. I don't
think people cheat just because all of a sudden I
lot people don't think, oh I'm not Guys, don't think
I'm not in love with you anymore. So now I'm
gonna have sex. That's not what it is. We could
We can have the whole woman that we want and
still be outside doing stupid things doing That's what the
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song is about. Yeah, I agree. I think men cheat
purely for ego. I mean, like, I know every time
that I did it back in the day was literally
because I had a a wounded ego. Like it's like
it's like pouring water into a cup that got a
hole in exact, it never feels it never feels right.
So I think that what what what did you find
my best apple water? I think that um, that one
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mistake ruined everything. Oh I wouldn't Yeah, I definitely wouldn't
want that to happen. But I mean, it's not saying
that it can't though, because at the end of the day,
it's it's up to you. It's it's everyone's individual decision
whether or not if you want to stay. I can
have a choice now you now have much or I
can leave, which makes people the people know it's not
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just the j because even even the girls, I know,
but even with everything you're saying, I understand the hypothetical,
but when you tell a woman, but the truth is,
if I do get caught cheating that I don't luck.
I wouldn't even bring that hypothetical up. Yeah, because you
don't want to have that honest conversation. And that's what
triggered everybody online. But I don't want to have a
conversation because I'm not cheating. That's fine, but most people
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don't want to have to conversation because they've been down there,
they've been down that role, they've had to deal with cheating.
Neither have to have a pass with it. Somebody did
that to them. Somebody someone, someone hurt them there, someone's
left uh, some PTSD there, and that's what that's what's
caused this this stir. It's triggering. It's yeah, I'm please.
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I played one time for my wife just to let
her hear it. She didn't want to hear that ship
to trigger and turner. Yeah, yeah, you know the young
I say, how they young? You know going to it.
But but let me ask you guys this, do you
guys disagree or agree with that statement? Well, if I
don't get that, you don't have to fall out of
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love with somebody, that's an old school listen, by the way,
that's that's old I think that classic line. So then
what are we really talking about? Is toxic? Or do
we just replace toxic toxic with honest? I think it's
the other part where you say it's just one little fuss.
I can relate to it. If I get called cheating
on mean, I don't love you. We've all said that before.
I ain't know, told my wife it was just one
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little fuck. She hit you back, like well, I gave
somebody head. It was one little suck. Yeah, exactly, the
exact same, the exact same, the exact same, situation. I'm
now in a position where it's like, Okay, do am
I gonna stay? Am I gonna leave? I'm like, what
am I gonna do here? Just the same thing. Okay.
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Is it frustrating to you that this song got so
much attention when you guys put it out and then
people for some people that that might be the first
like listen of division and yeah, and they're like, these
guys are super toxic. Yeah. No, you know, honestly it
got us here. We heard the breakfast Club y'all could
have been on Hey, I never got to invite y'all.
I mean, oh, I didn't know he's cool with you
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yet that I live service twice that even before you
had a form of producer, name was sa I should
love y'all a long time ago, long long time ago,
before y'all signed with with with Drake, I was gonna relationships.
No No, I was about to say, I was gonna say,
what did your girls feel about it? No? No, But
I mean we've we've heard the women. We've definitely aware
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people are like, what about I think there's been a
lot of women that immediately there's the triggering effect of it,
and they're like I can't believe you guys are out
here promoting like a cheater's anthem with a whole bunch
of guys on the hook. And then there's the other
women that are like, you know what, I can see
why you would say this, because you know, I've been
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in a situation like that before, or I've done it myself.
You know, there's a lot of women now, not at first,
as the days go by, there's a lot of women
now kind of kind of coming out and be like, yeah,
I've done that, of course happening like like, um, right
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after we dropped it, we I got a dm um
from from a lady saying, you know, um, I love
the song. It's super catchy. It's this and this and that. Congratulations.
You know, I just can't play it in the house.
I cheated on my husband and and you know, he
stayed with me, And I said, you know what, at
if you don't mind me asking like, you know, why
did you cheat? Because that's really what I'm trying to
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get at here. We were trying to talk about some
conversations and I was like, why did you cheat? And
she was like, I just had a baby a little
while before. You know, me and him were having our
little you know times where it's just kind of like
we're just involved in our own lives and um, an
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old fling that I used to talk to. UM, you know,
he popped back up and he started, you know, asking
me for selfies and pictures, and it made me feel
sexy again and again. As soon as she said that,
I was like, it's it's the ego over there too.
It goes both ways, right, And nowadays it's like, if
we're being honest, in twenty twenty two, women are cheating
just as much, if not more than men. Come up
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with this statistic. I got this from he We got
these from actual professionals. I'm not saying I think this
is what I was told from somebody who has studied.
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I'm just telling giving you guys what the information. I've
never cheated on a woman before. Yeah, yeah, And what
was the reasons he could he write this song. I've
watched a penis in the sit not like i've I've
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I've been on all sides of that. I've been on
the side where I've done it, and been on the
side where I've done it and got caught. I've been
on the side of it where I've done it and
not got caught. I've been on side where I'm pretty
sure it happened to me, you know. So that's why
I speak about it because it's like, this is this
is a real thing. If if this was just some
song that had no validity to it, people just ignore it.
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Would you want somebody to tell you if they cheated
on you? Absolutely you would want them to tell y'all. Absolutely,
if I already didn't know, I don't know that because
that happened to you, right, No, I want to know.
You wouldn't because also they've said I've seen this and
um on telling it. They said, if you don't get caught,
you shouldn't tell because that's really to relieve your own guilt.
And all that's gonna do is, Yeah, I feel like
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if we're good and I am not suspecting something you
telling me, it's probably going to put me in a
position of having like doubts. Yeah, okay, you wouldn't respect
the honesty. It really depends where we're at because some
of these things, I feel like certain seeds once they're
once they're planted, you can't stop it from growing. So
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if it wasn't already growing for me, I might be
better off just not knowing why funk up my life? Yeah,
like why like especially if if let's let's say you
did it, you're you're you're not gonna do it again.
It was a mistake. I'm with you. I think a
lot of times the reason we come clean is because,
like our conscience is eating us up so much and
we end up projecting, you know, our guilt onto our
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significant others. So we start seeing that blaming them for
stuff and saying that they're doing stuff that they're not
doing because of what we're doing. So we want to
just get that off our chests. That's what I think.
What song comes after this down now? See Okay, So
that that's because it has to be that's a great question.
Your clothes. This album is, this album is a story. Um.
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We started at the ego, right, and then naturally it
goes to all the places where that can get you.
You know, Um, there's there's reflections, accountability, there's remorse, there's
gross there's um, you know, hopefully reapproaching all these things
and situations that that you may have failed that in
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the in the past. Um, the next record is a
step in that direction. I'm not going to say too
much about it. It's definitely super R and B produced
by j D, produced by B Cox, and it's it's
special especials what I like about the record, and we had,
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you know, we had some debates about this a couple
of weeks ago. It's so hard to put out music
and have people care, right, even if the music is banging.
So the fact that y'all started a conversation, regardless how
people feel about the record, in fact, that it started
a large conversation, that's a win, no for sure. That's
that's one of the reasons we well, that's probably the
main reason we put this song out. We've had the
song for about six months and we would have people
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come by the studio. We play a bunch of records,
and even though there would be a lot of people
that said they had other songs as their favorite, that
song got people talking and we'd have huge debates for
hours sometimes about that record record break out. Maybe that's
you know, maybe we need to start the conversation and
then we'll fill in the other pieces later. Because there's
definitely the songs that would have fit the R and
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be story better. I'm gonna fit the traditional division you
know path way better. But we need we need to
start these conversations and have people kind of tune in,
you know. And I seeing a lot of people say like, oh,
I think Division just did this because you know, for
the attention or for the conversation. So but at the
same time, it's like, if people weren't talking about what
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we're doing before, is that our fault to yours? Yeah,
and y'all a artists at the end of the day,
so there is marketing. So it was wrong with throwing
something about that you know, people gonna get people talking,
isn't at the point? Not only that, but for me,
it's like how how how are we ever going to
progress if we don't start having the conversation as a people,
you know, like as relationships period. If we just try
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to keep trying to ignore things, never understand the other
the other one, we're never gonna get anywhere. So for
us it was important to be like, we know what
conversations come from this, we know where it takes us,
and that's the that's the way that we're going to
start raking down the relationship to start reconstructing the relationship.
How do you think they response to be if a
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woman put that song this song out, you guys, would
you guys would are you guys? It would be you
know what they already started doing responses to talk to ours,
and I see the girls as soon as they hear
the girls're like yes, go yeah, yeah, women's women's wor
women's like getting with a lot When Scissors said, I'll
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you know, I'll have you on the weekend and then
you can go back to whatever you're doing throughout the week, Like,
isn't that kind of crazy? Side chick anthems have been
around for a long time, isn't that kind of crazy
because somebody's cheating in that scenario like s WV, Like
I'm so into you all of those records like Little Secret,
I like being I like being the same thing with
you and your girlfriend. The fact that she don't really
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turn me on, Yeah like it. I think that I
think there would go it would it would go super crazy.
I mean we're fortunate to that that The tide is
kind of, you know, shifted as far as it went
from like shock and almost outraged to like people being like,
but it's a bob though, people like, oh, super catchy
someone to my head and you know, I'm not gonna lie.
I like the song. And it's a lot of women
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now that are admitting and the ones putting the selfie
videos up and playing the song, so it's beautiful. I mean,
yesterday we found out, you know, it's the number one
most added song Urban radio for this week. So you
know I didn't like about the record was the sample.
To be honest with, I didn't think you needed. Nah.
I like the hook. I mean the hook was better.
Oh you just said, oh you didn't like you just
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think it wasn't necessary. No, I still love that. That
made me feel extra. I'm a hip hopcast though, so
that just made me feel like And it's even just
to read text between Jay and j D just for
that that sake alone. I mean, where did Jay tell
Jad to put that text out? Was that part of
the rollout? No, Jay didn't tell him to do it.
They didn't tell him asking you just gonna do that.
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What do you think about this generation of RB UM.
I think we're gonna be in great hands with the vision.
I think this generation of R and B listener is
different than before. Before people would all kind of flock
to the same thing. Now, there's so many different types
of R and B that you can get into, but
people keep complaining about the one they want to hear
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not being the biggest. But it's like, you can go
and listen to whatever you want. It's there. I love
the R and bds out right now. There's so much
to take in, but there's always this conversation of oh,
it's not like the nineties, it's not like the two thousands,
but even that stuff it's around, like you can find it.
I think it's just so much easier to focus on
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the toxic R and B or the not as singer
songwriter oriented R and B and be like, oh, this
isn't what I'm used to. I think a lot of
times it's just too much music. It's a lot to consume, right,
so you don't sit with stuff as much, you know
what I mean. But I will say this, no matter
what party i'm djane, if it's a twenty one year
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old party, an eighteen year old party, or thirty year
old party, they know everything from can't stand in the
rain to you know, to to y'all. So I think
that's dope too. It is it's music that sticks, you know,
And as far as toxic content. It's always been toxic content.
I just think the only difference is the presentation now,
like some of these R and B singers be rapping
instead of singing it. You know, a lot of a
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lot of these singers, a lot of the singers, they're
not really singers people. You know, we'd like to hear
taxic songs sung beautifully. I think, like if you think
about like secret lovers back in the day and like
I said, Whitney Houston saving all my love for you,
she's you know, he's with his family and I'm here
waiting for you. The songs that sung beautifully, but what
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are they about? Yeah, did you ever think about putting
the future on the record? No, shout out the future.
Shout out the future. That's that's the homy. But no,
we we wanted this. I mean it has such a
it has such a traditional R and B M vibe
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to it. When it's stripped down, I think it's the
big eight of weights and the thing that makes it.
You know, but that's good because it's what has people
singing it in the clubs and bumping it out right.
But um, at the core of it, it's like three
or four timing ballad that like Jermaine was in there
really like on some like blues you know when he
made that record. So when he made that try that
hook and that that that that part of it. So um,
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I wasn't I wasn't imagining some any like a trap
rapper or you know any of that. I just he
wanted to make sure that this was an Armby record.
He's so proud to be like, Yo, they're playing an
R and B record in Magic right now and it's
going off like like a little baby record in here,
you know, and it's an R and B like we're
making R and B important like, and it's beautiful to
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see his his passion like fueled like that and to be,
you know, the vessel I want to talk to talk
about y'all. This is artist like like, but first of all,
how important is Drake to the Toronto music scene? Is
there a path for division without a Drake? Really is
the Toronto music scene? You know? Because before that there
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was not a scene that you guys would have known. Yeah,
you know, I mean I can think like Cardinal Ficia,
you knew people, but there wasn't necessarily a scene. Yeah,
you know, it was just like, oh wait, you're from Toronto, right,
Oh Deborah Cox, Oh she's from Toronto. But there was
no there was nothing that you could kind of attach
to anything. Yeah, and now it's like there's a sound.
You know, all of our producers, you know, well, we
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have a few R and B artists. As far as
what people attached to Drake is the whole um, I
guess like the the honest and moodiness that came with
it has almost become like the Toronto sound. But that's
in everything though, like across the board, Like you go
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to the UK, it's there. You go to Atlanta, it's there,
you go to Legs there, And I think with that
comes the expectation that everything is going to have some
sort of Drake lineage, which in some ways it does
because it's like he's the one that like opened the
door for everybody. Like literally everybody coming out of Toronto
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has to on some level be like, yeah, Drake's Drake's
the guy until your point. He created a scene, He
gave us a scene, a visual like oh okay, there's
something going on there, so so what about you? Yeah,
for sure, I mean everybody's I think everybody, all the
artists out of Toronto. They're all talented enough to have
you know, um, broken through at some point or had
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somebody notice and really be like, oh this person like
you know from the Weekend to you know, Um Tory,
Daniel Caesar, everybody that's from Toronto but party. But Drake
kind of like put C four on the door and
kind of blew it open for everyone to kind of
run in. So I don't think anybody in the city
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would ever try and take that from him. Though, what
did he think about this record? Did you send it
to him first? And we haven't. We have literally have
not talked to anybody about any song on this project
yet at all. Really literally, I'm telling you we've just
been in Southside, just literally in our own zone. So
you know, it's a good question. We should we should
hit him up and be like, what's going on? But
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I mean, you know, um, I'm I'm positive he's he's
seeing and hearing you know, what's going on, and you
know he's he's always Um I would I would think
always happy when you know this not only the city
gets to win, but when you know the team gets
to win. I let that you guys are, like you said,
just kind of like doing your own thing and being
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successful without feeling like you have to rely on the coast.
We're still doing sould out shows. Like you said, everybody's
singing the lyrics and people know you and it's not
like we gotta get Drake on the record in order
for this to pop up. Some people don't even make
that correlation. They just think division's division. I think that.
I love that. I love I love the fact that
we we stand behind our brand that strong and we
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are able to, you know, just stand on our own too.
You know, everybody's stronger if you can, you can do that.
I think. So what was the vision doing prior to
all of this, Like, what's the scene like in Toronto
when you're just some aspiring artists trying to get on
Is it open mics? Is it going to the radio
station with your music? Like what is this? This whole
city was like that, the that there's one radio station
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that will play your music. We was doing that for
a little bit, but like blow, yeah, you were you. Yeah,
I think we're talking about Donald Trump too much at
the time, and it got us right out of it.
But yeah, it was it was like that, you know,
it's it's it's it's really it's super crabbing. It's almost
like what people you used to hear about New York
and other places where it's like, you know, if you
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can make it there, you can make it anywhere type thing,
because literally nobody was making it. There was nobody that
had made it. Wow, it's like and we've been here
just as long as everyone else. So that's what the
city is kind of in its own special thing because
almost like we waited way longer than everyone else. And
I know, you guys, for you guys, it's like, you know,
Canada over there somewhere. But because we're so close to
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New York, we and we have New York stations, Buffalo stations, USTv,
we feel like we're right there. So we're almost watching
every city blow up before us and nothing happening over here.
So I think the whole city was kind of almost
clicking up on their own, trying to be the first
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to make it. And if you weren't a part of them,
then you know, whatever, we don't care. So it wasn't
it was not a huge support as far as the
locals until you until Drake happened. And when Drake happened
and it started becoming cooler to say, hey, you know
they did it, I mean we did it, you know,
to start feeling that that ownership with things. That's when
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things started really changed in the city. Like now it's like,
you know, the city loves division, the city loves you know,
Drake Xol everybody like that, and so it's just you
guys also did that whole collab. But ty Dollars signed
Cheers to the How is that balanced working with ty
Dollars sign, you know, and going and doing a whole
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project with him and even making that decision. First off,
Tie is crazy. Tie is Tie bounces off off the
wall every day. It's it's it's crazy. His creative process
is nuts. Like he'll literally sit there and make easily
make six seven songs a day, every day, every day,
every single day. He is the kind of guy that
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will be like, Yo, come to the studio at seven.
You'll come to the studio at seven and he call
me on outside. He'll be like, oh, I'm in Oakland.
What you know. He's that kind of guy. He's just
like he's so in the moment and he's such a
creative that it's it's um, I don't know, it's it's
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it's it's hilarious to watch. But he that that process
that we had was literally came about because of that,
because he told me to come out there and do
a record with him. So I flew out. He was
on tour, hopped on the tour bus. He's like, I
gotta studio on the tour bus. Cool, let's make a song,
sat in the back. Three days later, we have five songs.
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He's talking about putting out an EP together, and I
was just like, this is not what what the plan was.
You know, every day with him is like a whole
new adventure. Shout out the tide, by the way, but
a whole new adventure that he just like head first
jumps into, which which I think is what keeps his
energy in the songs and his like spontaneousness so high
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because you can hear it in the records. Right. He's
just kind of like it's whatever. He can be on
a rock song one day, a d M song the
next day, or you know, a hip hop song and
then break it down, just do R and B. When
did you guys do? I believed it because Mac Miller's
preached on that song. I think that's such a standout
song that was right before he passed, literally right before
he passed, when we got his final verse because he
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came to the studio. Matt came to the studio. UM
heard the record, loved it. He recording, and then he
left and he said, I don't really like my verse.
I'm a son. Another one, sent another one back and
if and maybe like a week and like three days
after that he was gone. Damn. So it was. It was.
It was tough. It was tough, and I was just
getting to really know him, and you know, UM understand
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how why he was such a loved person, because when
once you get around him, he's just like, oh, it's
kind of dope. Good dude. You know, good dude. How
much how much other work have y'all done behind the
scenes in the industry, like you was far production writing? Um,
I done a lot. I did uh one dance. I
did get Along Better on the Last Trick album. I
did Truffle Butter, I did on the Way Black Time.
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I did, um what else I do? I've done so
many things. I did the Bryson Tiller Drake single, I
did oh. I did get the fuck out for Mariah Carey.
I did I've done so many, so many things that
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are just kind of like I do it, keep it moving.
But it's kind of been interesting the last few years because, like,
I feel like I have a whole double career that
people don't know. Like people who know me as nineteen
eighty five producer a lot of times don't necessarily know
I'm in division. People that know me from division don't
necessarily know, like I've been making hits on the other
side of the things. So whenever they hear the two
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come together, they're like, oh, like, how do you like?
How do you even have time to balance that? I'm like, honestly,
I don't even know how I do it, because I'm
just like going back and beside division. Besides Dreck, who
do you like to work with? More creative? And why?
Who I like to work with? Um? I loved working
with Travis I did um coffee Bean on Astra World
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Future added tricks on me? Who else do I love working?
You've been out here? Can you sing it all? I
can sing enough to tell him what to sing? Have
you ever done a reference track? I can been like
I should No, I really like I can tell somebody
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like sing it like this, But have I done a
reference track. I maybe recorded something just for someone to
like mimic that, But I've ever been like, I might
want to just hap on this a little something. Yes,
and no, like I do that in my own It's
the first time I've done that at my own time,
because I'm just like that creative. So yeah, I've made
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records before, and I've recorded myself. I've wrapped a song. Um.
I used to be in a punk band. Um. I.
My thing is if I were to do that, I
wouldn't necessarily want to be in producer mode while doing
that at the same time. But I love producing in
the punk band. Did you play an instrument or yeah?
I was the backup singer and the guitar player. I
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wrote all the songs. What was the bedest name? We
had a bunch of horrible names, but coffee double the Cream.
All types of things, the worst, the worst that didn't
happen happened coffee double the Cream. We don't need Nobody
says that. Nobody comes up and it just said, yeah,
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you coffee. Oh my god. Can we look this up
and find this online? Can we hear some songs on?
You know? I'm happy that coffee double Girl. Need you
ever hear any of this? No more? The industry is
the industry everything you thought it would be. That's far Yeah,
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I think so everything and not at the same time,
it's everything they told like you would hear people talking about.
I think you just didn't realize how much it really
is that and I really learned that when um I
remember people always just tell me you don't want to
meet your idols. And then I met a certain producer
artist I won't name them, and that experience, I was like, Oh,
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that's not what I was hoping it would be. You know.
I had such high expectations, and then it was a
bit of a letdown. And that's why even us working
where Jermaine has been so amazing, because he is exactly
who you would hope him to be. You know, where
a lot of people do not. You know, the industry,
it's a lot of smoking mirrors. Oh maybe that is them,
you know what I mean, Maybe that is them. You
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just don't know different. Yeah, I wonder should we have
expectations with people, like when when when people don't meet
our expectations, that aren't fault of their fault, because that's
our fault and because the expectation is an assumption, right, Yeah,
And I think a lot of that goes into who
you think they are as an artist or who you
think they're projecting to the world as whatever. Meanwhile, that
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might just be the stage person, right, you know, that's
they're they're forward facing h image. But they might go
home and be completely different. Well, people are a bad
days could have been a bad day. If day he
could have an argument with his wife, he couldn't anything. Yeah,
is everything moving for y'all? Uh, as far as division
is concerned, things moving the way y'all want them to, Like,
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you feel like y'all should be further along. I mean
one thing I've learned. I mean, yeah, I could say that.
I think we could all say that though you know,
we were even someone with a one hundred million dollars
could be like, you know, I should be at a billion,
you know by now, Um, But I've learned to just
be like, yo, you know, God's timing, God's playing. Let's
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get into the r. I do have one more question,
because I you know, I look at the artists drinking.
I feel like drake features and and co signs of
artists do more than artists being actually signed his label, dude,
if that makes sense, because party is fantastic. I think that,
you know what I mean. His approach is very respectful
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the creative process, and because we are signed, I think
a lot of time he's kind of just like, yo,
do you do your thing and you you call me
in when it's time. Yeah, call me in when it's time.
But before that, I don't want to even want to, like,
I don't want to overstep like you guys, do what
you're doing and then let me know, you know, let
me know when you want to pass the ball off.
But that's not me, that's on you. I don't think
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this way was was better because a lot of people
who don't know you know you for you, not the
Drake Coson. A lot of people didn't know y'all was
the heart true and love the music, and now when
they hear it's the Drake Cosign, now it's like, oh,
even more I like this group. So that's what I think.
So at what point do y'all do bring him in
on the process because he said he hasn't heard anything yet.
Just want to make sense musically. You know, when we
have something that what it works, you know works for
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where he's at, where we're at. You know, I think
it's all really just timing with him. As you can see,
he's very smart about his music, you know, so for us,
it's like it just has to make sense for both. Well,
let's get into this toxic single right now. It's if
it triggers people, is toxic a little bit? Yeah? Yeah,
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it's something triggers you that doesn't make it toxic. Yeah,
this toxic to the individual. You've never seen a movie
that's just like touched you in some kind of way,
and all of a sudden, now you're just blaming the
movie and said that this is toxic. No, well, it's
because we have trauma on heal trauma, Yeah, trauma with
what was delivered. But cheating is a very traumatic thing.
But cheating is just real. Let's get the record. Is
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toxic back been in a situation. It's the time when
you might turn the radio off the radio. Listen to
Daniel's explanation about the sime. Daniel's explanation, I understand it,
but I can hear a woman saying that's some bullshit. No,
they've been, they've been, they've been hearing it, and they've
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been receiving it. Shout out to the ladies out there.
Let's get into the record. I want to introduce it.
If we go, this is our new record. This is division.
This is if I get caught right here Breakfast Club.
It's two minutes, thirty seconds. Good mo way
Wait that ass up in the morning. Breakfast Club. Morning.
Everybody is DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlomagne the guy. We
are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in
the building, some special guests. Yes, guess Division, What up?
What up? What up? Morning? You got individual names? Good
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night Daniel, Right, Daniel, Welcome, it's your first time here.
But people that don't know who Division is, breakdown who
you are? Where y'are from? Um? Division is uh singer
producer Combo. I'm the singer of the group. This is
the producer from Toronto. UM. Yeah, and we are trying
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to own R and B right now. You're signed the
Drake's Ovio sound right? Yeah? How's that been? You know a
a lot of people say artist shouldn't sign the other artists.
How how's that been? Why? Why do you think people
say that, I don't know. I'm not an artist. I
don't know. People will usually say that when they signed
to an autist, you'll never get bigger than the artist
that you actually signed. That's not true. He got signed away, right, Yeah,
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So it always pans out. I mean, we're we're we're
kind of self contained, so we don't really look outside
to anybody to like have to give us the alleyup
or you know, come in and write the song for
us or do anything like that. So we really kind
of just stay in our our space, make what we're
gonna make, and then kind of go out. We've been
lucky to have some dope fans that have kind of
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really you know, help us get to this place and
like showed out to all the shows and know the
lyrics and the songs, and you know, um have been
supporting the whole thing. I mean, Angela, you know, she's
She's I've always loved division. Let me ask you this though,
when you guys, when Drake debut, you guys on over
your radio, did you already know, like what's the deal done? Okay,
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So how did all of that happen? Is at that
point I was working with him, We were working on Views.
I think that's why we're working on the Views album.
And I got a spot to do like a DJ
segment on Opio Sign Radio, So I was like, I'll
play whatever I want, so I might as well play
my own group. Oh yeah, do you all feel like
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he stands next to Yard the way the way that
he should, because you know, you look at other artists
that are signed. The other artists like you'll see Ross
with his guys, you saw it Hold with his guys
back and even Wayne. Wayne is the great extent, but
always stood next to Young Money. I feel like he
stays the next yard the way you should. I feel
like it's it's that's up to everybody else to kind
of like figure out what they think is what they should.
As far as we feel, we just we are thankful
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for anything that we get at this point, you know,
anybody that that has given us the opportunities that that
have helped us get here, we're just thankful for. Like
in the beginning, but when we signed, he not only
put us on Views, which is one of the biggest
albums of the time obviously, and right after that we
were on a tour with him. We did Summer sixteen,
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right so that Alane And it's like whether you whether whatever,
however much you stand, you post you Instagram or you
don't like, please give you. Yeah, We're thankful for We
just take anything and turn it into energy. When people
were trying to figure out who Division was at first,
what are some of the craziest things you heard? Because
it was a lot of like who is division? How
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many people are in the group? I mean people thought that,
people thought he was singing, People thought it was me.
That was because he had kind of had a name already.
He did hotline blame, he did too much, he did
What else did you have at the time? Hold on,
we're going home? You got some money? He already had
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all that. So by the time by the time people
were trying to figure out division, they were trying they
were confused with whether it was him, whether there was
like a huge group behind it because they heard like
girl voices and choir voices, because we usually used to
choir in songs like like too Deep and stuff like that.
So I think people were kind of like, oh, there
girls in it, there's the guys, is it? What is it?
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And you know it was it was me singing and producing.
Too Deep is one of my favorite songs to put
on like a love making type of playlist, Right, So
can you talk about the meaning behind that because you
try to say it's not about like not pulling out, No,
it is, but it's the double meaning because it plays
on you know, when you're into deep, into you know,
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a relationship, anything in a situation you don't want to
pull back, you know, so it's like we're here, like,
let's let's live in the moment. That's so clever. I
really just was like, man, they're not pulling out, but
then yes, it isn't. Yeah, that's good for people know
that because then you know that. Uh. If I get
caught recording the first toxic record y'all made, then why
is too deep talking? That's toxic? What is the definition record? Yeah?
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What is the definition of toxic? Not pulling out? Its
toxic is child birth and beautiful procreation? M a random woman?
Okay you can. You have to have context, then you can't.
You didn't say that, you you just said a couple
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of times I'm married. Do you'll ever listen to home
music like when you're sex? No? No, never, never. That's
like jacking off to put it off? How do you
hook up with your main dore and whose idea was
if I can? Okay, Jermaine was well. Shout out to
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our our management team at helvran Um. They kind of
put together the first session and it was it just
ended up being me and Jermaine just just there and
at in Atlanta, in Atlanta and Suside and yeah. Literally
you could fast forward maybe seventy two hours and it
felt like we were like brothers. Like that was just
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like like a big brother children, you know, absolutely five.
So you know it's the relationship just kind of grew
and grew and grew. It's like I'm you know, I'm
having Christmas and New Year's Eve that his house just
met him is Tina like him and his mom. You know,
Like the relationship just really built. And if I get
caught was already we were already a bunch of records
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deep into this project that we're doing. And one day
we opened the studio door and he's just humming away.
As soon as he opened the door, he's like, and
I mean, I don't know you. And I was like, like,
what did you just say? Like and I'm like, that's
exactly what I want to say. How did what is that?
And so he walked into the studio. B Cox is
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already there playing strings and keys and stuff. And eighty
five came up with this idea of like he's like, Yo,
the way we use choir girl choirs, what if we
flip it and make it a bunch of guys saying
this and make it like a chant, and I was like,
oh my god, and I sat down and I wrote
these verses. Now the song, I think I think that
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on first listen, you people hear one thing, maybe even
second and third not a video. The video gives it
more content, a little bit more content, but I still
feel like, um, some people are still a little bit
confused abut what I'm actually talking about. Well, explain, because
is it safe to say that record is toxic? No,
definitely about that record everybody. Before you explain, continue with
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the story how the jay Z sample came about and
all that, Oh okay you want to say. With the
jay Z sample, we were kind of just talking back
and forth and I was like, yo, order if you
use that line from song cry and cut it up.
And I'm like, mmm, I don't know if we're gonna
get that cleared. And Jemaine's like, yo, you do what
you gotta do. I'll make those calls. I'm like you sure,
and he's like, yeah, you leave that to me. So
I did it, and still I was kind of thinking,
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I don't know if we're gonna get this to go.
And then in the group chat, he just he sent
that that same thing that we posted and I was like, Oh,
that's part of the reason why people think it's toxic too,
because jay Z said it is even more toxic than Yeah.
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I just hear more women saying that than anything. Nah,
it's honestly, it's not. It's not toxic at all. Explain explain. So, Um,
people hear the song and they think I'm saying, Yo,
I'm cheating on you. Eat that or hold that, you know,
kind of that kind of vibe. Um. The record, for one,
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is not talking about a guy that's cheating at all.
The whole song is me talking about being in a
situation with somebody who starts to feel like maybe or
their person is cheating on them, and I start to
address it from the standpoint of somebody that's like noticing that, Yo,
everything that used to attract that attracted you to me,
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as I'll, turned into your insecurity. Ye, you wouldn't want
me if other girls didn't want me. Yeah. The whole
idea of like, yo, I was I dressed well when
you met me. Now it's where you're getting dressed and
where you're going. You know, it was I was charismatic
and fun to be around when you went out when
you met me. Now it's like all you always in
people's face. You always got to talk who we always
you always got to be entertaining people. You always want
to be so funny. I think it's the part I
was sucking them girls I was gonna get. I don't
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say that. It's not that point. It's the it's the
it's the hook. But even whatever, let me keep going. No,
everything is me addressing, like this is why you like? This?
Is this all the things that have turned into and
I'm sure we can all be in situations that men
and women right right where. It's like everything that you
liked about me you are now have not turned to
insecurities because you realize other people like them. Correct. I
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always watch my penis in the sink when I come home.
You like, come on, wow, oh my god, what I've
actually never done that? You haven't done it a little bit. Never,
I've never done the penis sink. You're not gonna give
no contact to that. You're just gonna that's what people do.
You know, My guys cheat we're talking about I know,
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y'all cool, Maybe y'all that's why do that? When they cheat,
they wash their penis in the sink, Because why do.
They can just take a regular show exactly what you
get caught. They don't want to run home and take
a shower. That's when chet take a shower where you at?
Has this happened to you before? I don't know if
it's happened because I haven't witnessed it, but I know
guys have said that they just bath. It's called the
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bath when I never heard that either. Back to Penis
in the sink and watch. You're a guy, right, aren't y'all?
Guys I've never put my I'm trying to Penis. Sorry,
I'm back, but let me get back to let im saying.
So now the insecurity to turn to the point where
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it's like you're digging through phones, you're checking laptops, you're
doing all these these things to try to find something right,
and then you have to get into the psychology of
trying to find something. It's like, are you trying to
find something to be upset or you trying to find
something so you can find a way to leave? Right?
And my whole thing with this is, okay, So if
it's to leave, why would you why why would you
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want to leave somebody? Because when even if I was
to have done this. If hypothetically I was done this,
it wouldn't be because I all of a sudden fell
out of love with you. It would be because I
was being a selfish idiot and maybe did some stupid
some stupid things I shouldn't have done. Self indulging, freaking um,
being caught up in my ego, maybe trying to stroke
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my own ego and myself feel good. There's a bunch
of reasons that people cheat. I don't think. I don't
think people cheat just because all of a sudden I
lot people don't think, oh I'm not Guys, don't think
I'm not in love with you anymore. So now I'm
gonna have sex. That's not what it is. We could
We can have the whole woman that we want and
still be outside doing stupid things doing That's what the
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song is about. Yeah, I agree. I think men cheat
purely for ego. I mean, like, I know every time
that I did it back in the day was literally
because I had a a wounded ego. Like it's like
it's like pouring water into a cup that got a
hole in exact, it never feels it never feels right.
So I think that what what what did you find
my best apple water? I think that um, that one
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mistake ruined everything. Oh I wouldn't Yeah, I definitely wouldn't
want that to happen. But I mean, it's not saying
that it can't though, because at the end of the day,
it's it's up to you. It's it's everyone's individual decision
whether or not if you want to stay. I can
have a choice now you now have much or I
can leave, which makes people the people know it's not
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just the j because even even the girls, I know,
but even with everything you're saying, I understand the hypothetical,
but when you tell a woman, but the truth is,
if I do get caught cheating that I don't luck.
I wouldn't even bring that hypothetical up. Yeah, because you
don't want to have that honest conversation. And that's what
triggered everybody online. But I don't want to have a
conversation because I'm not cheating. That's fine, but most people
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don't want to have to conversation because they've been down there,
they've been down that role, they've had to deal with cheating.
Neither have to have a pass with it. Somebody did
that to them. Somebody someone, someone hurt them there, someone's
left uh, some PTSD there, and that's what that's what's
caused this this stir. It's triggering. It's yeah, I'm please.
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I played one time for my wife just to let
her hear it. She didn't want to hear that ship
to trigger and turner. Yeah, yeah, you know the young
I say, how they young? You know going to it.
But but let me ask you guys this, do you
guys disagree or agree with that statement? Well, if I
don't get that, you don't have to fall out of
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love with somebody, that's an old school listen, by the way,
that's that's old I think that classic line. So then
what are we really talking about? Is toxic? Or do
we just replace toxic toxic with honest? I think it's
the other part where you say it's just one little fuss.
I can relate to it. If I get called cheating
on mean, I don't love you. We've all said that before.
I ain't know, told my wife it was just one
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little fuck. She hit you back, like well, I gave
somebody head. It was one little suck. Yeah, exactly, the
exact same, the exact same, the exact same, situation. I'm
now in a position where it's like, Okay, do am
I gonna stay? Am I gonna leave? I'm like, what
am I gonna do here? Just the same thing. Okay.
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Is it frustrating to you that this song got so
much attention when you guys put it out and then
people for some people that that might be the first
like listen of division and yeah, and they're like, these
guys are super toxic. Yeah. No, you know, honestly it
got us here. We heard the breakfast Club y'all could
have been on Hey, I never got to invite y'all.
I mean, oh, I didn't know he's cool with you
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yet that I live service twice that even before you
had a form of producer, name was sa I should
love y'all a long time ago, long long time ago,
before y'all signed with with with Drake, I was gonna relationships.
No No, I was about to say, I was gonna say,
what did your girls feel about it? No? No, But
I mean we've we've heard the women. We've definitely aware
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people are like, what about I think there's been a
lot of women that immediately there's the triggering effect of it,
and they're like I can't believe you guys are out
here promoting like a cheater's anthem with a whole bunch
of guys on the hook. And then there's the other
women that are like, you know what, I can see
why you would say this, because you know, I've been
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in a situation like that before, or I've done it myself.
You know, there's a lot of women now, not at first,
as the days go by, there's a lot of women
now kind of kind of coming out and be like, yeah,
I've done that, of course happening like like, um, right
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after we dropped it, we I got a dm um
from from a lady saying, you know, um, I love
the song. It's super catchy. It's this and this and that. Congratulations.
You know, I just can't play it in the house.
I cheated on my husband and and you know, he
stayed with me, And I said, you know what, at
if you don't mind me asking like, you know, why
did you cheat? Because that's really what I'm trying to
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get at here. We were trying to talk about some
conversations and I was like, why did you cheat? And
she was like, I just had a baby a little
while before. You know, me and him were having our
little you know times where it's just kind of like
we're just involved in our own lives and um, an
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old fling that I used to talk to. UM, you know,
he popped back up and he started, you know, asking
me for selfies and pictures, and it made me feel
sexy again and again. As soon as she said that,
I was like, it's it's the ego over there too.
It goes both ways, right, And nowadays it's like, if
we're being honest, in twenty twenty two, women are cheating
just as much, if not more than men. Come up
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with this statistic. I got this from he We got
these from actual professionals. I'm not saying I think this
is what I was told from somebody who has studied.
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I'm just telling giving you guys what the information. I've
never cheated on a woman before. Yeah, yeah, And what
was the reasons he could he write this song. I've
watched a penis in the sit not like i've I've
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I've been on all sides of that. I've been on
the side where I've done it, and been on the
side where I've done it and got caught. I've been
on the side of it where I've done it and
not got caught. I've been on side where I'm pretty
sure it happened to me, you know. So that's why
I speak about it because it's like, this is this
is a real thing. If if this was just some
song that had no validity to it, people just ignore it.
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Would you want somebody to tell you if they cheated
on you? Absolutely you would want them to tell y'all. Absolutely,
if I already didn't know, I don't know that because
that happened to you, right, No, I want to know.
You wouldn't because also they've said I've seen this and
um on telling it. They said, if you don't get caught,
you shouldn't tell because that's really to relieve your own guilt.
And all that's gonna do is, Yeah, I feel like
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if we're good and I am not suspecting something you
telling me, it's probably going to put me in a
position of having like doubts. Yeah, okay, you wouldn't respect
the honesty. It really depends where we're at because some
of these things, I feel like certain seeds once they're
once they're planted, you can't stop it from growing. So
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if it wasn't already growing for me, I might be
better off just not knowing why funk up my life? Yeah,
like why like especially if if let's let's say you
did it, you're you're you're not gonna do it again.
It was a mistake. I'm with you. I think a
lot of times the reason we come clean is because,
like our conscience is eating us up so much and
we end up projecting, you know, our guilt onto our
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significant others. So we start seeing that blaming them for
stuff and saying that they're doing stuff that they're not
doing because of what we're doing. So we want to
just get that off our chests. That's what I think.
What song comes after this down now? See Okay, So
that that's because it has to be that's a great question.
Your clothes. This album is, this album is a story. Um.
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We started at the ego, right, and then naturally it
goes to all the places where that can get you.
You know, Um, there's there's reflections, accountability, there's remorse, there's
gross there's um, you know, hopefully reapproaching all these things
and situations that that you may have failed that in
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the in the past. Um, the next record is a
step in that direction. I'm not going to say too
much about it. It's definitely super R and B produced
by j D, produced by B Cox, and it's it's
special especials what I like about the record, and we had,
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you know, we had some debates about this a couple
of weeks ago. It's so hard to put out music
and have people care, right, even if the music is banging.
So the fact that y'all started a conversation, regardless how
people feel about the record, in fact, that it started
a large conversation, that's a win, no for sure. That's
that's one of the reasons we well, that's probably the
main reason we put this song out. We've had the
song for about six months and we would have people
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come by the studio. We play a bunch of records,
and even though there would be a lot of people
that said they had other songs as their favorite, that
song got people talking and we'd have huge debates for
hours sometimes about that record record break out. Maybe that's
you know, maybe we need to start the conversation and
then we'll fill in the other pieces later. Because there's
definitely the songs that would have fit the R and
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be story better. I'm gonna fit the traditional division you
know path way better. But we need we need to
start these conversations and have people kind of tune in,
you know. And I seeing a lot of people say like, oh,
I think Division just did this because you know, for
the attention or for the conversation. So but at the
same time, it's like, if people weren't talking about what
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we're doing before, is that our fault to yours? Yeah,
and y'all a artists at the end of the day,
so there is marketing. So it was wrong with throwing
something about that you know, people gonna get people talking,
isn't at the point? Not only that, but for me,
it's like how how how are we ever going to
progress if we don't start having the conversation as a people,
you know, like as relationships period. If we just try
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to keep trying to ignore things, never understand the other
the other one, we're never gonna get anywhere. So for
us it was important to be like, we know what
conversations come from this, we know where it takes us,
and that's the that's the way that we're going to
start raking down the relationship to start reconstructing the relationship.
How do you think they response to be if a
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woman put that song this song out, you guys, would
you guys would are you guys? It would be you
know what they already started doing responses to talk to ours,
and I see the girls as soon as they hear
the girls're like yes, go yeah, yeah, women's women's wor
women's like getting with a lot When Scissors said, I'll
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you know, I'll have you on the weekend and then
you can go back to whatever you're doing throughout the week, Like,
isn't that kind of crazy? Side chick anthems have been
around for a long time, isn't that kind of crazy
because somebody's cheating in that scenario like s WV, Like
I'm so into you all of those records like Little Secret,
I like being I like being the same thing with
you and your girlfriend. The fact that she don't really
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turn me on, Yeah like it. I think that I
think there would go it would it would go super crazy.
I mean we're fortunate to that that The tide is
kind of, you know, shifted as far as it went
from like shock and almost outraged to like people being like,
but it's a bob though, people like, oh, super catchy
someone to my head and you know, I'm not gonna lie.
I like the song. And it's a lot of women
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now that are admitting and the ones putting the selfie
videos up and playing the song, so it's beautiful. I mean,
yesterday we found out, you know, it's the number one
most added song Urban radio for this week. So you
know I didn't like about the record was the sample.
To be honest with, I didn't think you needed. Nah.
I like the hook. I mean the hook was better.
Oh you just said, oh you didn't like you just
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think it wasn't necessary. No, I still love that. That
made me feel extra. I'm a hip hopcast though, so
that just made me feel like And it's even just
to read text between Jay and j D just for
that that sake alone. I mean, where did Jay tell
Jad to put that text out? Was that part of
the rollout? No, Jay didn't tell him to do it.
They didn't tell him asking you just gonna do that.
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What do you think about this generation of RB UM.
I think we're gonna be in great hands with the vision.
I think this generation of R and B listener is
different than before. Before people would all kind of flock
to the same thing. Now, there's so many different types
of R and B that you can get into, but
people keep complaining about the one they want to hear
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not being the biggest. But it's like, you can go
and listen to whatever you want. It's there. I love
the R and bds out right now. There's so much
to take in, but there's always this conversation of oh,
it's not like the nineties, it's not like the two thousands,
but even that stuff it's around, like you can find it.
I think it's just so much easier to focus on
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the toxic R and B or the not as singer
songwriter oriented R and B and be like, oh, this
isn't what I'm used to. I think a lot of
times it's just too much music. It's a lot to consume, right,
so you don't sit with stuff as much, you know
what I mean. But I will say this, no matter
what party i'm djane, if it's a twenty one year
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old party, an eighteen year old party, or thirty year
old party, they know everything from can't stand in the
rain to you know, to to y'all. So I think
that's dope too. It is it's music that sticks, you know,
And as far as toxic content. It's always been toxic content.
I just think the only difference is the presentation now,
like some of these R and B singers be rapping
instead of singing it. You know, a lot of a
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lot of these singers, a lot of the singers, they're
not really singers people. You know, we'd like to hear
taxic songs sung beautifully. I think, like if you think
about like secret lovers back in the day and like
I said, Whitney Houston saving all my love for you,
she's you know, he's with his family and I'm here
waiting for you. The songs that sung beautifully, but what
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are they about? Yeah, did you ever think about putting
the future on the record? No, shout out the future.
Shout out the future. That's that's the homy. But no,
we we wanted this. I mean it has such a
it has such a traditional R and B M vibe
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to it. When it's stripped down, I think it's the
big eight of weights and the thing that makes it.
You know, but that's good because it's what has people
singing it in the clubs and bumping it out right.
But um, at the core of it, it's like three
or four timing ballad that like Jermaine was in there
really like on some like blues you know when he
made that record. So when he made that try that
hook and that that that that part of it. So um,
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I wasn't I wasn't imagining some any like a trap
rapper or you know any of that. I just he
wanted to make sure that this was an Armby record.
He's so proud to be like, Yo, they're playing an
R and B record in Magic right now and it's
going off like like a little baby record in here,
you know, and it's an R and B like we're
making R and B important like, and it's beautiful to
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see his his passion like fueled like that and to be,
you know, the vessel I want to talk to talk
about y'all. This is artist like like, but first of all,
how important is Drake to the Toronto music scene? Is
there a path for division without a Drake? Really is
the Toronto music scene? You know? Because before that there
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was not a scene that you guys would have known. Yeah,
you know, I mean I can think like Cardinal Ficia,
you knew people, but there wasn't necessarily a scene. Yeah,
you know, it was just like, oh wait, you're from Toronto, right,
Oh Deborah Cox, Oh she's from Toronto. But there was
no there was nothing that you could kind of attach
to anything. Yeah, and now it's like there's a sound.
You know, all of our producers, you know, well, we
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have a few R and B artists. As far as
what people attached to Drake is the whole um, I
guess like the the honest and moodiness that came with
it has almost become like the Toronto sound. But that's
in everything though, like across the board, Like you go
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to the UK, it's there. You go to Atlanta, it's there,
you go to Legs there, And I think with that
comes the expectation that everything is going to have some
sort of Drake lineage, which in some ways it does
because it's like he's the one that like opened the
door for everybody. Like literally everybody coming out of Toronto
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has to on some level be like, yeah, Drake's Drake's
the guy until your point. He created a scene, He
gave us a scene, a visual like oh okay, there's
something going on there, so so what about you? Yeah,
for sure, I mean everybody's I think everybody, all the
artists out of Toronto. They're all talented enough to have
you know, um, broken through at some point or had
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somebody notice and really be like, oh this person like
you know from the Weekend to you know, Um Tory,
Daniel Caesar, everybody that's from Toronto but party. But Drake
kind of like put C four on the door and
kind of blew it open for everyone to kind of
run in. So I don't think anybody in the city
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would ever try and take that from him. Though, what
did he think about this record? Did you send it
to him first? And we haven't. We have literally have
not talked to anybody about any song on this project
yet at all. Really literally, I'm telling you we've just
been in Southside, just literally in our own zone. So
you know, it's a good question. We should we should
hit him up and be like, what's going on? But
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I mean, you know, um, I'm I'm positive he's he's
seeing and hearing you know, what's going on, and you
know he's he's always Um I would I would think
always happy when you know this not only the city
gets to win, but when you know the team gets
to win. I let that you guys are, like you said,
just kind of like doing your own thing and being
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successful without feeling like you have to rely on the coast.
We're still doing sould out shows. Like you said, everybody's
singing the lyrics and people know you and it's not
like we gotta get Drake on the record in order
for this to pop up. Some people don't even make
that correlation. They just think division's division. I think that.
I love that. I love I love the fact that
we we stand behind our brand that strong and we
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are able to, you know, just stand on our own too.
You know, everybody's stronger if you can, you can do that.
I think. So what was the vision doing prior to
all of this, Like, what's the scene like in Toronto
when you're just some aspiring artists trying to get on
Is it open mics? Is it going to the radio
station with your music? Like what is this? This whole
city was like that, the that there's one radio station
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that will play your music. We was doing that for
a little bit, but like blow, yeah, you were you. Yeah,
I think we're talking about Donald Trump too much at
the time, and it got us right out of it.
But yeah, it was it was like that, you know,
it's it's it's it's really it's super crabbing. It's almost
like what people you used to hear about New York
and other places where it's like, you know, if you
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can make it there, you can make it anywhere type thing,
because literally nobody was making it. There was nobody that
had made it. Wow, it's like and we've been here
just as long as everyone else. So that's what the
city is kind of in its own special thing because
almost like we waited way longer than everyone else. And
I know, you guys, for you guys, it's like, you know,
Canada over there somewhere. But because we're so close to
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New York, we and we have New York stations, Buffalo stations, USTv,
we feel like we're right there. So we're almost watching
every city blow up before us and nothing happening over here.
So I think the whole city was kind of almost
clicking up on their own, trying to be the first
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to make it. And if you weren't a part of them,
then you know, whatever, we don't care. So it wasn't
it was not a huge support as far as the
locals until you until Drake happened. And when Drake happened
and it started becoming cooler to say, hey, you know
they did it, I mean we did it, you know,
to start feeling that that ownership with things. That's when
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things started really changed in the city. Like now it's like,
you know, the city loves division, the city loves you know,
Drake Xol everybody like that, and so it's just you
guys also did that whole collab. But ty Dollars signed
Cheers to the How is that balanced working with ty
Dollars sign, you know, and going and doing a whole
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project with him and even making that decision. First off,
Tie is crazy. Tie is Tie bounces off off the
wall every day. It's it's it's crazy. His creative process
is nuts. Like he'll literally sit there and make easily
make six seven songs a day, every day, every day,
every single day. He is the kind of guy that
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will be like, Yo, come to the studio at seven.
You'll come to the studio at seven and he call
me on outside. He'll be like, oh, I'm in Oakland.
What you know. He's that kind of guy. He's just
like he's so in the moment and he's such a
creative that it's it's um, I don't know, it's it's
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it's it's hilarious to watch. But he that that process
that we had was literally came about because of that,
because he told me to come out there and do
a record with him. So I flew out. He was
on tour, hopped on the tour bus. He's like, I
gotta studio on the tour bus. Cool, let's make a song,
sat in the back. Three days later, we have five songs.
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He's talking about putting out an EP together, and I
was just like, this is not what what the plan was.
You know, every day with him is like a whole
new adventure. Shout out the tide, by the way, but
a whole new adventure that he just like head first
jumps into, which which I think is what keeps his
energy in the songs and his like spontaneousness so high
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because you can hear it in the records. Right. He's
just kind of like it's whatever. He can be on
a rock song one day, a d M song the
next day, or you know, a hip hop song and
then break it down, just do R and B. When
did you guys do? I believed it because Mac Miller's
preached on that song. I think that's such a standout
song that was right before he passed, literally right before
he passed, when we got his final verse because he
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came to the studio. Matt came to the studio. UM
heard the record, loved it. He recording, and then he
left and he said, I don't really like my verse.
I'm a son. Another one, sent another one back and
if and maybe like a week and like three days
after that he was gone. Damn. So it was. It was.
It was tough. It was tough, and I was just
getting to really know him, and you know, UM understand
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how why he was such a loved person, because when
once you get around him, he's just like, oh, it's
kind of dope. Good dude. You know, good dude. How
much how much other work have y'all done behind the
scenes in the industry, like you was far production writing? Um,
I done a lot. I did uh one dance. I
did get Along Better on the Last Trick album. I
did Truffle Butter, I did on the Way Black Time.
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I did, um what else I do? I've done so
many things. I did the Bryson Tiller Drake single, I
did oh. I did get the fuck out for Mariah Carey.
I did I've done so many, so many things that
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are just kind of like I do it, keep it moving.
But it's kind of been interesting the last few years because, like,
I feel like I have a whole double career that
people don't know. Like people who know me as nineteen
eighty five producer a lot of times don't necessarily know
I'm in division. People that know me from division don't
necessarily know, like I've been making hits on the other
side of the things. So whenever they hear the two
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come together, they're like, oh, like, how do you like?
How do you even have time to balance that? I'm like, honestly,
I don't even know how I do it, because I'm
just like going back and beside division. Besides Dreck, who
do you like to work with? More creative? And why?
Who I like to work with? Um? I loved working
with Travis I did um coffee Bean on Astra World
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Future added tricks on me? Who else do I love working?
You've been out here? Can you sing it all? I
can sing enough to tell him what to sing? Have
you ever done a reference track? I can been like
I should No, I really like I can tell somebody
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like sing it like this, But have I done a
reference track. I maybe recorded something just for someone to
like mimic that, But I've ever been like, I might
want to just hap on this a little something. Yes,
and no, like I do that in my own It's
the first time I've done that at my own time,
because I'm just like that creative. So yeah, I've made
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records before, and I've recorded myself. I've wrapped a song. Um.
I used to be in a punk band. Um. I.
My thing is if I were to do that, I
wouldn't necessarily want to be in producer mode while doing
that at the same time. But I love producing in
the punk band. Did you play an instrument or yeah?
I was the backup singer and the guitar player. I
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wrote all the songs. What was the bedest name? We
had a bunch of horrible names, but coffee double the Cream.
All types of things, the worst, the worst that didn't
happen happened coffee double the Cream. We don't need Nobody
says that. Nobody comes up and it just said, yeah,
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you coffee. Oh my god. Can we look this up
and find this online? Can we hear some songs on?
You know? I'm happy that coffee double Girl. Need you
ever hear any of this? No more? The industry is
the industry everything you thought it would be. That's far Yeah,
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I think so everything and not at the same time,
it's everything they told like you would hear people talking about.
I think you just didn't realize how much it really
is that and I really learned that when um I
remember people always just tell me you don't want to
meet your idols. And then I met a certain producer
artist I won't name them, and that experience, I was like, Oh,
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that's not what I was hoping it would be. You know.
I had such high expectations, and then it was a
bit of a letdown. And that's why even us working
where Jermaine has been so amazing, because he is exactly
who you would hope him to be. You know, where
a lot of people do not. You know, the industry,
it's a lot of smoking mirrors. Oh maybe that is them,
you know what I mean, Maybe that is them. You
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just don't know different. Yeah, I wonder should we have
expectations with people, like when when when people don't meet
our expectations, that aren't fault of their fault, because that's
our fault and because the expectation is an assumption, right, Yeah,
And I think a lot of that goes into who
you think they are as an artist or who you
think they're projecting to the world as whatever. Meanwhile, that
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might just be the stage person, right, you know, that's
they're they're forward facing h image. But they might go
home and be completely different. Well, people are a bad
days could have been a bad day. If day he
could have an argument with his wife, he couldn't anything. Yeah,
is everything moving for y'all? Uh, as far as division
is concerned, things moving the way y'all want them to, Like,
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you feel like y'all should be further along. I mean
one thing I've learned. I mean, yeah, I could say that.
I think we could all say that though you know,
we were even someone with a one hundred million dollars
could be like, you know, I should be at a billion,
you know by now, Um, But I've learned to just
be like, yo, you know, God's timing, God's playing. Let's
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get into the r. I do have one more question,
because I you know, I look at the artists drinking.
I feel like drake features and and co signs of
artists do more than artists being actually signed his label, dude,
if that makes sense, because party is fantastic. I think that,
you know what I mean. His approach is very respectful
(39:57):
the creative process, and because we are signed, I think
a lot of time he's kind of just like, yo,
do you do your thing and you you call me
in when it's time. Yeah, call me in when it's time.
But before that, I don't want to even want to, like,
I don't want to overstep like you guys, do what
you're doing and then let me know, you know, let
me know when you want to pass the ball off.
But that's not me, that's on you. I don't think
(40:17):
this way was was better because a lot of people
who don't know you know you for you, not the
Drake Coson. A lot of people didn't know y'all was
the heart true and love the music, and now when
they hear it's the Drake Cosign, now it's like, oh,
even more I like this group. So that's what I think.
So at what point do y'all do bring him in
on the process because he said he hasn't heard anything yet.
Just want to make sense musically. You know, when we
have something that what it works, you know works for
(40:40):
where he's at, where we're at. You know, I think
it's all really just timing with him. As you can see,
he's very smart about his music, you know, so for us,
it's like it just has to make sense for both. Well,
let's get into this toxic single right now. It's if
it triggers people, is toxic a little bit? Yeah? Yeah,
(41:00):
it's something triggers you that doesn't make it toxic. Yeah,
this toxic to the individual. You've never seen a movie
that's just like touched you in some kind of way,
and all of a sudden, now you're just blaming the
movie and said that this is toxic. No, well, it's
because we have trauma on heal trauma, Yeah, trauma with
what was delivered. But cheating is a very traumatic thing.
But cheating is just real. Let's get the record. Is
(41:23):
toxic back been in a situation. It's the time when
you might turn the radio off the radio. Listen to
Daniel's explanation about the sime. Daniel's explanation, I understand it,
but I can hear a woman saying that's some bullshit. No,
they've been, they've been, they've been hearing it, and they've
(41:46):
been receiving it. Shout out to the ladies out there.
Let's get into the record. I want to introduce it.
If we go, this is our new record. This is division.
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