Laurieann Gibson Interview and Breakfast Club Best moments

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Button out here. We have two We have an interview today,

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Lorie and Gibson. She'll be joining us this morning. Yes,
she has a new book called Dance Your Dance Eight
Steps to unleash your passion and live your dream. That
is the fact. Yeah, so we'll be kicking it with
Lorie Gibson and also Michael Rubin checked in. You know,
Michael Rubin is doing so much with the prison reform.
So we're gonna kick it with Michael Rubin. So we'll
get the show cracking to don't move a lot going
on this morning. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. I'm

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telling I'm telling you if this is your time to
get it off your chest, whether you're mad or blessed.
Eight five one five one, we want to hear from
you on the Breakfast Club. Hello, who's this yo? Yo?
Sew on with suthing Man with the DJ vy At King.

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You know if your chest bro man listen, So Anda
Ye of everybody, like right now, I got a few questions,
Like I always hear the saying that goes like okay, um,
don't go looking for love finds you? Is that true?
Like like angela Ye has has love found? Like if
that statement really true? Because I'm twenty three, Like I'll

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be on these little online dating apps and like I
meet team ups all the time, but all they have
like all they be wanted to do is just like
they don't be one, no real relationships, Like I don't
know yo, Like it's just weird, Like like you said
it yourself. You're only twenty three. You gotta give yourself
some time, man, have patience. Man, you'll you'll find that
one or that want will find you. But I mean,

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like I want a long lasting but like I want
to be in the streets anymore. Like it's kind of
boring to me, like I've been I've been doing this
since I was like eighteen. I think when people say that,
what they mean is you can't force it, right. You
can't force somebody to want to be in a relationship.
And sometimes you might want something at a specific time,
but if you don't, haven't you can't just be with

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somebody because it's convenient. So like like okay, like for instance, right,
like people like Romeo, he just found him a little
like girls and he was like, oh, yeah, I've been
for four years. He said, I've been thinking for four years.
But he didn't think he wasn't for four years. Yeah, man,
And I'm sure he was doing whatever he was doing,

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but for whatever reason, he wasn't feeling like he should
settle down with any of the people that he was dating.
And so there's nothing wrong with dating until you make
sure you feel like that person is the one. Yeah,
and Romeo's thirty one. I tell you something else too, man,
set your table now, like you don't have to do
what everybody else is doing. If you feel like you
don't want to have sex, can you find that one?
Do that? Be celibate? Yeah, be the man that you be,

(03:36):
the good man that you want to be to a woman. Now,
don't wait, It'll happen for you. I believe in you, sir.
Good luck, brother, she's out there. Your Juliet is out
there a Romeo. Hello, who's this? It's Mike? Mike? What
I'm getting off your chests? Mike? So, what's up? I
didn't want to hovel buln Hey, Mikes so king you're
doing a good thing. Man, Well you say, man, I

(03:59):
appreciate you like man, Thank you? Brother? Yes, sir, yes, sir? Hey,
Can I give a little route real quick? If you
want to embarrass yourself? Who might to stop you? You said?
You said, y'all embarrass myself. Now if y'all kid go
follow me at younger pridagy y ou n g I
n prodigy at younger prodigy, but they wanted my song

(04:20):
called dirtter Dan. So like this, I'm on their neck
like a mother can we should have ate like a
pad had to get out. The mother used to work
through the tram. You caught me dirtter Dan had to
see through my bush and they see through my pen.
I don't think they understand. They know they don't work,
and they know they don't they my nigga might run
up the band. Hey, let men, let y'all get that.
Y'all go get the rist of go follow me, you

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get the rest of it on all platform yea brother, Okay.
It was like I wasn't mad at hello? Who's that King?
Jacob blunt Man out of Saint Augustine, Florida. What's going on?
Blunt ain't good for you? Smoke a junk? I do
it edible, So check me out all the main listen

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this in a while since I've been on here. Y'all
know I used to be on here all the time.
But I gotta give a shout out to Frank lar
Rosa uh m Meg Records out of South Carolina, Charlote
Magne m Eg Records. The CEO is Frank lar Rosa. Uh,
we're doing big things right now. We did ask somebody
to get signed to Sony the day before yesterday. Wow,

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we bought the South Carolina UM around UM, I want
to say Charlotte North Okay. Then we got we got
a couple of people that's in UM South Carolina that
signed the m Meg Records too. I just wanted to
give a big shout out to UM, like I say
Frank lar Rosa, because you know, he changing people's lives

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right now, you know, UM and UM shout out to
Little west Side. I'm king Jada blunt Man by the way,
and we got a new song out called Move. It's
hot and it's moving. I don't want to men. Man, yes,
third check it out. Man, It's hot. Charlota Magne, check
out God and we love hanging up. Jesus. It's man

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to give out this website and stuff to tell people
how to get to the music black people proper. Jesus Christ.
It's mad. People on the line won't go to another rapper.
I don't know if we got more on the line,
I don't know. I'm just click clicking people. Hello, who's
this Hello? Hello? Wow? Um, Hey business out there from Maryland.

(06:26):
Hi from Maryland. How are you so? Charlotte man? I
wanted to to get it off my chest. I love
y'all show. Um, I listened to y'all every day, like
before class. I'm like when I'm studying. And ye, I
listened to your other podcasts. Let's service, Yes, we're service.

(06:47):
Yeah my mind went on plank, but yeah, I love
your podcast. Um and Charlotte men, like I watched girlfriends.
You said it was good. That's sweet to be good.
That's right, everybody to go out and watch our friends.
How old are you? Twenty one years old? That's what
I'm talking about. Wow, it's so crazy. All right, Hey Solomon,

(07:08):
can I get you? I got you, but y'all have
to stay on hold. Y'all got to stay on hold
to our producer. Can get you all address, and I'll
send you a copy of my latest book, Shooking Anxiety,
Playing Tricks on Me. I say latest when it came
out two years ago. But I got you. Thank you? Um?
Oh yeah, I love you guys. I love you too.
Hold on, hold on, no, hang up, because we're gonna
get you in for all right, all right, all right,

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get it off your chests eight hundred five eight five
one oh five one. If you need to vent, hit
us up now. It's the Breakfast Club. God morning, the
Breakfast Club. This is your time to get it off
your chests, whether you're man or blast. So we better
have the same in We want to hear from you
on the Breakfast Club. Hello. Who's this? Hey? This is

(07:52):
the Shares from Columbus, Ohio Shares. What up getting off
your chest? Man? I'm just caloring this, spread some positivity
to all the black people here in Ohio around the world. Everything.
What's up, Charlotte Mane Angelie. I'm I just want to
let everybody know I'm a my day job, I'm a
Union electrician, but I'm getting my hustle on as a

(08:13):
relator out here in Columbus, Ohio. So follow me on
ig at Sharon's Underscore, Robinson at s h I R
A Z Underscore Robinson Envy. Man. I would like to
link up with you man and talk about investing in
real estate out there in New York in New Jersey. Okay,
well just hit me and my Dan's brother. All right, man,
y'all be easy, man? All right? Hello? Who's this man?

(08:37):
Good morning? So many peace, king, what happing? Get it
off your chests? Man? Man, I'm just I'm in good spirit.
You know. Me and my wife was getting into but
not everything back toward copathetic. So I was feeling, say
what you understand? Hey? You want to do that thing
to him? Hey? Man, look, you know I have a

(08:59):
good one brother. Hello. Who's this? It's Erico? Hey, good
morning mama. Yeah. I listened to y'all every morning, and
I'll be damned, hood, I'll be tripping out on you
with shaulmain. I mean, I'll be laughing like crazy every
morning at y'all. Well, thank you. I don't know that's
a good thing about I don't know much. Man. I

(09:23):
listened to y'all every single morning, like every morning, every
very much. We appreciate your support. Well, thank you so much.
I have a great and blessed day. Mom. Who are
you from? Okay? You too? That's all I want to say. Tweet.
I love y'all, We love you back. I love your
twin to that severn twine. Hello. Who's this? Hello? Hey,
what's your name? Hey? Kay? Look, good morning. Get it

(09:46):
off your chess mama. Well, I really didn't have much
to say. I just want to just congratulate y'all. Y'all
doing good, and I thought it was so sweet, how
y'all games away money, because there's really some broth. I
did stop call the people to end word because some
unfortunate people when it comes there pockets in America. There

(10:10):
you go. That's right. Everything. It's a financial struggle out
here for some folks. You got it. You want you
want to let you get some money to something. Hey, no,
I just led somebody ten dollars yesterday. No, I'm with you. Budget.
That's right, budget that money. Thank you, mama. It's something
about that. That's something about them two words together. Just
do something to me. Broke, Nick broke, God dangn lord man.

(10:33):
That's it felt like back in the day when you
heard scrubs for the first time that I gotta get
my mama. Huh Hello, who's this yo? What's up? This
is fort Corey. What I'm getting off in your chests? Yeah?
I wanted to call to thank uh, well, good morning
to you, Envy Angel Year and charlottmagne Con good morning,
good morning. I wanted to thank you for keeping you
guys in check and uh being very beautiful every morning. Nick,

(10:56):
my morning, is better. Uh. I wanted to thank uh
be In Charlotta Maagne for all the work that y'all too,
especially in the mental health area. Uh. I haven't read
books in high school, and since you've been doing the
Audible stuff, actually downloaded the book and I've been reading
for like the last two months now. It's really got
me excited. Audible. I mean, I loved Audible before I

(11:16):
was in business with them, but they're they're great. Yeah.
I downloaded Malcolm Xan's autobiography. I just finished U Think
Like a Monkey, and now I'm booking for some more books. Uh.
I wanted to ask if you could probably send me
a book of yours if you don't mind it. I
got you. Y'all got to actually stay on hold though
people be calling up here saying that and then they
don't stay on hold you. We can't get your address

(11:38):
to send it to him, but I'll send you that.
I'll send you a copy of my book and a
copy of Doctor readA Walker's book, The Unapologetic guid in
the Black Mental Health. I really appreciate that. And lastly,
I just wanted to say, man, y'all got to stop
the fruity stuff up there man, stuff, y'all be doing
too much. You an envy man. Y'all got to cut
it out. Yea, we haven't. I don't know if you
know that. We haven't flirted with each other all week.

(11:59):
Well keep it that way. I appreciate that. Get it
off your chests. Eight hundred and five eight five one
or five one. You got excited if you need to
visit or something. Now, it was the Breakfast Club. Good morning,
the Breakfast Club in the morning. Check out this breakfast club.
We want morning. Everybody's DJ Envy Angela yee. Charlomagne the

(12:20):
guy we are the Breakfast Club. We got a special
guest in the building, stephen A Smith. Welcome brother. What's
going on man? Good morning? Good morning, hey, and how
are you doing? Charlomagne? Good y'all. Man. You got a
new show coming on ESPN another one. Yeah, listen, um.
You know it's gonna be called stephen A's World, and

(12:42):
you know it's just a half hour show on streaming
ESPN Plus. It's obviously a big priority for them. First year,
Disney Plus had eighty six and a half million subscribers,
ESPN Plus had eleven and a half, so obviously they
want a buffer those numbers, and they came to me
and asked me to do this. And I've known about
this since last year, which is why I gave up

(13:04):
my radio show because this was forthcoming. What makes me
excited about this is a couple of things. Number One,
I'm looking to bring a bit more lighthearted this and
levity to certain situations and just you know, show the
light aside of me to some degree and really celebrate
what other people are doing. But the other thing that
I'm excited about is that I'm not only the host
of this. I'm the executive producer and I started my
own production company a few months or a few months

(13:26):
ago missed the Essays productions, and it will be co
producing this in concert with ESPN. So essentially only a host,
but I'm the boss and just trying to set that
example and do what I can to shine, so I
put other people in position to shine as well. When
we first start of the interview, you start, you didn't
sound like the noble stephen A Smith from Queens. You

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sounded a lousemble And I know it's because of what
we've seen that happen on Capitol Hill. So what were
your thoughts of seeing that. Well, first of all, you know,
as a black man, let's just call it what it
is if with black people marching up with Capitol Hill
later got shot. But also what jumped to my mind.
I turned and watched Trump's entire speech, and if he

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didn't dog whisper, it was even stronger than that. He
told them to go to the state capitol. He told
them to stop this, He told them to essentially engage
in insurrection. And so for me to have a sitting
president of the United States be so flagrantly divisive and

(14:31):
will linked to harm congressional and Senate figures, I don't
know how much more egregious it gets. And I think
it's a blight on our country for years to come,
and it's just really really bad. But if we're honest
about it, it's unfortunate. It's sad, but we ain't surprised.
How hard is it to go on air today and

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not talk about what happened yesterday at the Capitol or
do y'all plan to talk about it? I wouldn't know, Charlemagne,
because the ain't no where in hell I'm going on
the air not talking about at ESPN. When it comes
to sports, and politics. Well, let me tell you this.
This is the part and and people in the past.
I'm not gonna mention any names, but here's where they
mess up. Obviously, me being in a position that I'm in,

(15:14):
It's not like I'm just speaking to the supervisor. I
mean the president and I talk every week. You know,
the executive vps of ESPN and I talk every week.
I kind of know them, and they have never said
don't talk politics definitively. What they said is leave the
political expertise to the political experts, and more importantly, give

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the audience what they expect to see. If we're ESPN,
we're a sports network. Don't avoid sports to talk about
these other things. Find a way to interweave sports within
the political and social conversation. And because people had a
problem with demandate to not just go directly in the politics,

(15:59):
You've had people that have expressed dismay over that. But
I've never had a problem with it because anytime something
developed and I felt the need to talk about it,
I simply let them know. The Other thing that the
mandate was is that we you work for us, as
we pay you. Why the hell are you expressing yourself
on Twitter? For free, when we're giving you this platform
and we're paying you to use it, use it heat.

(16:20):
I don't see a problem with that that I wouldn't get.
You're talking about Jamal Hill. No, no, no, not just her.
I can't think of too many people at ESPN who
even had, you know, that type of energy other than Jamal.
In the pendent there was there was a bunch of them,
believe it or not, and believe it or not, I'll
shock you with this, Charlomagne. There's a whole bunch of
wife folks at ESPN that have very, very passionate feelings

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and obviously some on the other side, and they want
to express it even more because they see us expressing it.
What I'm saying is is that what I get, and
I'll and I'll address this directly because I love Jamal.
She's a friend. Kerry Champion, I know she's a friend,
Michael Smith. You know. All of these words they did great.
I missed them. I wish they were still at the network.
I don't apologize about that. But what I'm saying to

(17:04):
you is that I would say the same thing to
you now that I've gotten to know you, if I
saw you doing something that I said. I said, Yo, man,
this could ultimately squash you and get in the way
of a bigger picture. You too important. I would sit
up there and say to you, do you really want
to mess that up because of a tweet? Why not

(17:25):
use it point? Why not use your airways? Think about
about the marathon, not the sprint. That's true. The Breakfast Club.
If you missed the Breakfast Club, you don't come from
my world. It's dangerous. Check out this rewind morning. Everybody
is DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlomagne, nic guy. We are

(17:45):
the Breakfast Club. But we're still kicking it with stephen A. Smith.
I know you got to get up out of here.
My final question, do you have a desire for people
to see who you are beyond the sports here to
some degree only from the standpoint that you know again,
I don't want to pigeonhole myself. I don't want to
be somebody that's just about sports. You know, when people

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when I remember when and I told and I told,
you know, my white boss, is this a lot of
times I've said this to them. A lot of times.
White folks come to work with a job to do.
Every day, we come with a responsibility. What I mean
by that is, I remember when Trey von marn got shot.
I'm walking down the streets and black folks walking up
to me, Steven, are you gotta touch on this? Steven?
Are you gotta say this yet? That wasn't a sports story,

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but they said it was necessary. And then when the
Miami Heat put on their hoodies, they really said, you
gotta touch on this. Now. I was going to any way,
but they were telling me that white folks don't hear that.
You don't see white folks going up to other white
folks saying that you got to do it. So understanding
that black folks feel that way, why do they feel
that way. It's not because of me. It's because of
the position that I'm in. I have a platform that

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most of us don't have, and so what they're doing
is calling upon me to bring light and to bring
attention to things, just the same way you might ask
an athlete too, if not more so not with the
after you're asking them to say something and be active
in that regard. With me, you're not only asking me
to say something, You're asking me to be that conduit
for others to speak as well, to make sure that

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I provide the platform for others that need to be
heard to be heard. And I take that role very,
very seriously. I don't feel compelled to agree with any
damn body and say what I don't feel. But I
do feel compelled to make sure that even if you
disagree with me, if you speak for a vast majority
of us, you need to be heard. And so what
I try to do is make sure that I do that.

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And in that regard, that's where I look at myself
beyond the world of sports, using sports to extend myself
beyond it, to address more deeper issues, enlightening myself, educating
myself either by reading more, watching more, learning more, but
more importantly connecting myself with people I know no stuff
so they will educate me as well. And I add

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one question too. I wanted to ask about Lebron purchasing,
putting together a team, purchase the Atlantic team, What think
that to do for the w NBA and had to
lift the w NBA more said, they can make more money,
get more endorsement, and more people watch. I love it
because I think that Lebron is pretty brilliant with a
lot of the things that he does and obviously he's conscientious,

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and I think him owning a w NBA team is
more about getting it away from Leffler, the senate figure
that just lost in Georgia, to Warnock. So I think
that's what it's about for him more so than anything else,
and I applaud his position on that. What I would
say is this, though, and I'll say this respectfully, that
all of those females out there, you know, the fellas,

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we got NBA, we got NFL, we got Major League Baseball,
we got the boxing, we got the UFC, we got
all of that. These women have been out there busting
their tail for years trying to make the w NBA
into something. Last time I checked, when you are successful
in terms of ingratiating yourself with the average consumer out there,

(20:56):
you usually are successful because you found a way to
ingratiate yourself with that female audience. For some reason, females
are not supporting the w NBA enough, because if they were,
the NBWNBA would be far more successful than it is.
So rather than folks talking about what the w NBA needs,
how about the w NBA highlighting in the eyes of

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women out there. Excuse me, we need all the support
we can get from y'all, because when females step up
and support you, you win. Steven, we appreciate you for
checking in. Stephen A. Smith, Thank you for checking in.
Brother started stephen A's world. They abuse Monday this Monday,
January eleventh. On the Endlation, thank you so much. Appreciate y'all,

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y'all take care. I'm a rights to Breakfast Club to
stephen A. Smith. Morning. Everybody is DJ Envy, Angela Yee,
Charlomagne the guy, we are the Breakfast Club. Naphew just
joined us. We're talking about a white man, a white
gentleman that posted this on Instagram. If you see my account,
you know of stuff. I like to talk about a
lot of sociology and my experience. I have better conversations

(22:04):
about that with black women. Also, black women don't have
an issue with my friends have multiple white girls be like,
why do you hang out with so many black people?
That's because black people don't ask me dumb questions like that.
So I was a criminal for a long time. I
think a lot of white girls are like drug dealers
because it's cool. White women will let yourself destruct. Black
women seem to genuinely care and want me to do better.

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So I don't feel that comfortable around white people. Feel
like black people laugh with me, white people laugh at me.
I love it. I think that is great. I think
that improves race relations in America. You have that white
man professing his love for black women, and I think
anytime we can bring each other together, it is a
beautiful thing. Beautiful thing. All right, Well, let's go to
the phone line and see if we can get some Well,

(22:47):
we're looking for white men who feel that same way
white women and also white women who feel that way
about black men are black women? Right? Yep? Yeah, David morning. Hey,
what's your name? Brod David? Right? Hey, yeah, hi David,
How are you, sir? You like your coffee? Black? Hi? Everyone?

(23:08):
Oh yeah, definitely? Why? Why? Well? Black take care of
the men better. My current wife have been married for
three years. When I first met her, I think I
had a chance with her. But she saw potential in
me and she inspired me to do better. And I've
done better. We will clean you up? Did she clean
me up? I mean improve my credit score? We bought

(23:29):
a house together. Black women improving a white man's credit
score drop one. A clues bomb from God you gave me. Oh,
God in the form of a black woman can do that.
She's showing the path to a better life. My brother, David,
my brother, I'll stop you when you stop telling the
truth yet, David, you know we love, we love a

(23:53):
good fixer. Hello. Who's this Hi? My name is Angie.
I'm from Queen. Angie from Queens. Now, Angie, you black?
I'm white? Oh Queens, I'm from New York. Okay, after
you can say, how will beach up right now? You

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like black men only? Yeah? I do? Um. I feel
like because I grew up in a predominantly black and
Hispanic neighborhood, I has all black friends growing up, like
I just never thought twice about it. That's what I'm
attracted tool. I've actually never even dated a white man before.
This is beautiful. We are bringing people together this morning,

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and I really feel like anytime, especially in these difficult
times that we're in, when it comes to race, we
can bring people together. This is a beautiful thing. I
am happy to hear this, these white people professing their
love for their black booze. I actually my son is
black black so well. I mean that's how it works.
If you got a black baby daddy exactly, Yeah, yeah,
what's his name? Well, thank you, thank you, murmur, thank you.

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What's your name? Shout out your shout out your baby
daddy and your son. My son's name is Data, and
my baby daddy's name is Lamar. There you go, and
his name Lamar name, Lamar, Jamar tyrone after black? Is
he gonna get? Hello? Who's this? Ar? Harry? What's up? Aaron?
What's up? All right? Now? Jamar? Now? Flowing down around

(25:20):
black people too long? Ary? What's up? Side? What's up? So?
He said, fell and were you from? I think it's
I think it's a generational thing. I'm originally from the
West Coast, so we mixed a little bit more over there.
I know on the East Coast, you guys are a
little bit more separate. But the thing is is that
my generation I graduated in ninety, I'm forty eight. I

(25:43):
think my generation it was taboo for so long that
in my generation, the white girls were looking for black
guys and the black guy and the white boys were
looking for black girls. And that's just how it was
where I grew up. Okay, so you so you got
a black bull? Now? I had I was married to
a black woman for a little bit, for a minute.

(26:03):
What happened? Uh? What happened? We just worked compatible. But
she was a good woman. I ain't got nothing negative
to say about her. So your your next, your next, Bay.
You want her to be black too. So the last
girl I was with was Afro Peruvian, so she was
like a unicorn. She was last and black. So I

(26:25):
was trying to get that for Latino's out here. Hello,
he say, oh man, I'm losing you guys. No, we're good.
So right, So you want you want to you want
to a black woman, and that's beautiful because you know, no, no,
I don't. I don't discriminate. It's all pink in the middle.
You know what I'm saying. But it's like, all right, Eric,

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all right, y'all, ain't up on the men, all right, man,
ain't tell a lie. It is all pink in the middle. Hello,
who's this, Shannon? What are you? Sir? Grace was um,
I'm a white male from London, Florida. Okay, okay, all right,

(27:07):
prefer black women or black men. No, no women, women women,
Let's let's let's let's not go there. I got ass,
I got ass, I get a soup. But why there's
no reason. Really, I met my wife in college, probably
ten years ago. Yeah, coming up to ten years what
HBCU did you go to Bloke? No? No, I went
to I went to a small college in Kansas. It's

(27:29):
most country, redneck town I've ever been to my life.
And you met a beautiful black queen on that campus.
What's her name? Her name is? Ambo? Tell me how
you tell me how y'all first grew in love? Man,
Tell me my brother. She turned mind to me one
day and say, hey, can you can you say hey baby?
Because obviously the accent and then it just went from
there baback hey, babe back. Yeah, and you've been with

(27:51):
baby ever since. Yeah, she's turned me into an I think, um.
The thing with black women that I've experienced, the um
they put you in line, and men need a strong
woman to put you in line them. I appreciate it
for that because she definitely made my life belt. That
is very cum. I appreciate you, my brother. I appreciate
you for appreciating the queens. No, no, I appreciate you

(28:12):
guys for having me on that. All right, take you
say bobe baby all right? By baby turned on oh God,
and he turn your love, you know like that Bob
Bay is a white guy, he's interested in the black
guy by By that's wrong with you, yo, you can't
eat this morning many the moral of the stories. Anytime

(28:33):
you can improve race relations in America, you should, especially
because race relations are trash right now in America. I
mean they always have been, but you know, they're really
bad right now. And I love to hear white people
professing their love for black folks. All right, we got
more coming up next with a breakfast club. Yeah, it's
the World Know Dangers Morning to show the Breakfast Club
Charlomagne God, Angela y DJ. And we got a special

(28:54):
guest in the building. You know. Every time he pulls up,
he's telling us something good. Michael Rubin his hell, yes,
well what's talking to guys? Back to be here. You
have a big announcement, we do. We're really excited today
we announced that Robert Rooks is going to be the
new CEO of the Reform Alliance. It's really exciting for us.
We're two years into this. We've had huge accomplishments so far.

(29:16):
Ban Jones, who started this with us, done incredible job.
He's moving to the co chair of the Reform Action
Fund but Robert's going to take over. He was most
recently the CEO of the Alliance or Safety Injustice, which
has done incredible work in the space, and we're really
excited to have him. And uh, this has been a
it's been a great start and journey so far. But
we're just getting started and we're we're really pumped up

(29:38):
about it. Why why to change? You know for us?
You know, from the day we started, this really goes
back to when Meek was in prison. We've talked about
we had to do something really significant. We had to
go out and you know, change these probation for all laws.
They keeping so many people stuck in the system. And
you know, from the start, we asked Band to come
in and help start this and help build this, and
he did everything we asked him to do. We've had

(30:00):
some giant wins, which you would getting into big wins
in California, Michigan, UM. But it was always the plan
for him to start this, build us and then kind
of go to the board position and also kind of
be the co chair of the Reform Action Funds. It's
really exactly as we planned it and for Robert. You know,
this is a guy that he's spent his entire life

(30:20):
changing laws, doing this work, and he's as good as
you're getting this field. So it's kind of, you know,
are the same way we build a business. We just
gotta keep growing and pushing. You know. I want you
to talk about some of those winners, Michael, because you know,
people see organizations like Reform Alliance and they ask questions like, well,
what do they do? We always see these, you know, announcements,
and it's like, oh, we're giving money here, we're doing it.

(30:41):
What what What has Reform Alliance done? What are some
of those wins Over the last few months, We've had
some really big wins so far. At first in California
um UM, going into the holidays, they put in a
one year cap on misdemean in probation and a two
year cap on FELI infrobation. That was really the most
trend formative probation laws really in the country. And as

(31:03):
you guys know, the problem is so many people, you know,
four and a half million people on probation and parole
in this country. It's basically a trap door. It keeps
you in the system and sort of put hard limits
on how long you can be in the system like
California did in a ruined big state, was a breakthrough
for us. I think we're gonna bring the population down
by thirty three percent of people on probation and parole

(31:24):
in California, of course, while keeping community safe. So that
was a giant win for us, and I think a
lot of states looked and said like holy like this
is like one or two year hard caps on probation
for mister milliership and felonies. We should do something similar
to that. And then Michigan came right over in the
right over on the holidays. It was great holiday get

(31:46):
for all of us, and they reduced how long you
could be on felon in probation from five years to
three years. So from the first time it came on
Your Guys Show, we said we had a couple goals
to reduce and cap how long you could be on
probation for and not have what happened to meet be
able to happen to the everyday meet when people just
on probation continuously. The second thing we want to do

(32:08):
was limit how long you know that you couldn't have
these technical violations where you didn't break a law, you
end it back in prison. And that's what we've been
focused on over the past two years and having giant
wins in California Michigan, is you know, big validation of
our strategy now, Rabbit, I know you're just doing us
to do on a chime in on your new position

(32:29):
and Reform alliance and some of the strikes that you
plan to make. And I also want to talk about
the new administration and what your thoughts are and if
you feel hopeful and what do you hope to get done. Well,
thank you for the question, and thank you for the
space to be able to talk about this important issue
of probation and pro reform. I'm honored to lead Reform
into the next phase of growth. You know, I have

(32:51):
a tremendous amount of respect for Michael, for Van and
the founding partners of Reform in their commitment to this
issue of probation and pro because I've been in this
work in this field for over twenty years. I am
a community organizer. I have been knocking on doors for
twenty four years talking to people about public safety, and

(33:14):
I have been hearing on the ground that this issue
of probation and pro reform was an issue, was a problem,
was a track for many people. And to have folks
like Michael and other founding board members come in and say, Hey,
this is going to be a priority, This is gonna
be something we're gonna focus on. We're going to stay
in our lane regarding how we're going to end master persuation,

(33:36):
but we're going to elevate this issue to a really
high level. It's truly honored for me to come in
and help guide the ship in terms of what I
hope to bring into this space and into this into reform.
It's basically, you know, me being kind of a community organizer,
knowing what people on the ground really think, and also

(33:59):
me being in positions where I ran campaigns and one
campaigns in states like California, o Hio, Michigan, Texas, Florida.
I work in California. We've reduced the prison population there,
but of course of thirty percent. When I moved to
California in two thousand and twelve, we had about one
hundred and seventy yars old thousand people in our prison system.

(34:22):
Today we're right at ninety six thousand. That's big change,
that's big reform and so reform as possible, impact as possible.
And now I'm even more excited to join these titans
in their own field, in their own respect, to come
together and bring the form alliance to a whole new level. Now,
rob but you kind of look like Van with hair

(34:42):
just a little bit. Maybe maybe it's the zoom, I
don't know, but you kind of look like Van with
hair just a little taddy bit. I want I appreciate that,
you know, you know, as I said that, Okay, I'm sorry, No,

(35:04):
I'm just gonna say, man, you know, Van is gonna
go down is one of the great you know, thinkers
and communication minds of this generation. For sure. He's a
true genius. And so just coming in to a space
where he's built a highly competent team and and and
move in the organization from upstart to high performing, it's

(35:25):
a true honor. So yeah, I look forward to continuing
to work with Van. He's being elevated to the board
as well as the team that he already has. But
that's all you spoke on it a little bit, Robert,
But what do you hope to specifically accomplish with your
new leadership, bro? So specifically, our goal is to move
a million people, offer probation and parole and create real

(35:50):
pathways to work, to wealth and well be This is
critical when we talk about how we're going to end
mass incarceration. We're gonna do it by changing law us
to keep people from going in. We're going to do
it by strength, shrenthing the length people stay. And we're
going to do it by making sure people have real

(36:10):
pathways when it come out so they can fully re
enterest into society in ways that will help them succeed.
We have to do it at all fronts, and so
reforms role and what I'm going to continue to work
on based on what was already there, it's to hone
in on how people on probation and parole are in

(36:32):
this trap, are in this trap where they have these
stipulations that really aren't nearly impossible to hold when and
also have a family and a job. And and so
we're gonna change how people are probation and pro are treated.
We're going to stop the pipeline that people are probation

(36:54):
parole are in because basically probation prole today it's prison
preparedness and and and we need to stop that pipeline.
That that that's resulting in people infermation for all going
into prison. All Right, we got more with Michael Rubin
and Robert Rooks when we come back. Is the breakfast Club,
Good morning morning. Everybody is DJ Envy Angela Yee, Charlomagne

(37:16):
the guy. We are the breakfast Club. We have Michael
Ruben and Robert Rooks in the building. But the things
that you would say that the administration needs to do
right now in order to improve conditions and also to
make sure less people are going to prison and not
getting these lengthy terms. Yeah, First of all, I'm excited
about the income administration. I am thrilled by some of

(37:37):
the decisions and moves that they've made to set up
this conversation. Some of my closest colleagues are going in
UM so you know, I text them to Hey, you
know we're coming. You know, you know we're gonna be
having a direct conversation about this issue. One of the
things I would love to see the administration do is
incentivize good behavior, good practices at the state level. And

(37:59):
when we guid into mass incarceration, one of the ways
was that in the ninety four crimac they incentivized states
to pass truth in sentencing laws, and so states a
handful of states follow that lead, receive additional resources from
the federal government and grew their prison systems. We can
do that in reverse. We can incentivize states to say, hey,

(38:23):
if you're coming up with true alternatives to incarceration, if
you're coming up with programs that's going to build out
health and support for people on probation and parole, we
can incentivize you. We can give you resources to build
those things out. That's one of the key things I
would love for this administration to do is incentivize states

(38:43):
to do the right thing. You know, it's interesting, right
because Donald Trump might go down to history as the
worst president of all time, but in terms of reform,
you can't act like you didn't take a first step
with the first step back. So do you think Present
and Biden his administration will take a second step and
a third one on the fourth proNT Like, how do
you think they helped to cause a reform? Yeah? I

(39:03):
think I think they have a mandate too. You know,
black folks showed up in key places like Michigan and Georgia,
and black folks want to see the criminal justice system
change like it's it's it's clear, it's unapologeticum, and it's
right and and and so there's certainly a mandate to
do the right thing here. I expect Biden is going

(39:25):
to do everything he can and his administration to do
the right thing. How the politics line up, we'll see.
But here's what's important about this conversation too. You know,
we can't wait for Superman, like, we can't show up
in the polls and then wait and see what the
administration is going to do. We have to engage. We
have to just like we organize during the election, we

(39:45):
have to organize like that now to get what we want.
That's how democracy works, That's how politics work. And so
I would I would message to your folks. It's like, hey,
let's let's let's get together, let's talk about the things
we wanted to see the administration do, and let's put
their appropriate pressure on and so the to get them
to do it. And with all the new marijuana laws
and people who are still in jail because of marijuana,

(40:05):
how do we make sure that they get out? Yeah? No,
that's that that that's an excellent point. I mean, there
there are a number of ways we can do. I
would just first like to see an executive order that
that basically, uh, you know what, pardons everyone that's that's
in on on marijuana. Yes, man, you know that that
what makes the most sense. You have on one end,

(40:27):
people uh in businesses that's making money um off of marijuana,
which which which they should and we need to make
sure that uh that that that that there's proper race
representation in those businesses. But at the same time, we
can't have people serving out time that's what people are
now making money on. Just doesn't make sense. I'm actually

(40:48):
upset with the Biden Harris administration about that, only because
that's something they ran on. Even when it was the
Senate race in Georgia. They were saying, if you want
we need to be decriminalized, vote for John Auso and
Ralph war nug Like. That should have been something that
they handled. Literally in the first few days, decriminalized marijuana
free all of the people that are in jail with
non violent drug offenses for week. No imagine you're sitting

(41:10):
in jail for a marijuana offense and weed has been
decriminalized and companies are making millions of dollars off of
it and you're still in jail. You know, I would
have said that was impossible before four years ago, before
I got to understand the system. Now, I'd say that's
a normal day. And that's why we all need to
bear to face. These laws go state by state, put
pressure on everyone that matters, and you know, get to

(41:32):
a better place. You know, unfortunately, you know this is
the country's not effective. You've got a completely broken criminal
justice system. Is not logical, and that's why we got
to bring out every resource and get people really working
together to fix these problems. It's logic does not prevail
until you're forced to prevail. Now, you're right, Michael, Now, Michael, um,
I'm wondering, right you and Robert Meek has been the

(41:55):
face of this for a while. Are you bringing on
other individuals? Yeah, i'd say me. The way I really
look at this is Meek was really the inspiration of this,
and you gotta kind of go back to what really happened.
You know, I had no understanding that this shoul really happened.
I lived through it with me, you know, we talked
every day about how when he got out of prison,
we had to do something about this and that is

(42:17):
that will always be an inspiration far while we started
this and will never kind of forget that. But I
think what Meek says all the time, and I agree
with this is this is about getting the everyday meets
where there's millions of people that are unfairly stuck within
the system. I think one of the things that was
so exciting to be Robert. He's built so many different
campaigns about taking people that have been adversely affected in

(42:38):
a state and using the everyday people to really help
shed a light on these issues. So this is what
Robert's done in his entire career. This is why roberts
the perfect person to take reform you know kind of
ford And that's what I'm so excited about. So Robert,
I love you to jump in and say, you know,
talk about what you've done and writing kind of what
a normal, you know campaign is like in your life,
because we're gonna do the same thing here the everyday

(43:00):
people affected by this every iteration, it's exactly what Michael said.
It's about bringing everyday people to the table to let
their voices be heard about what they want out of
the justice system. My most recent iteration of that at
Alliance and Safety Injustice was to hear from and elevate
the voices of victims of crime. You know, historically people

(43:23):
may think victims want to throw people in prison and
throw away to keep. What we found is that when
you talk to victims and communities hit hard by crimon violence,
when we talk to black folk that's been victimized by crime,
they don't want to throw people in prison and throw
away to keep. They want to stop what happened from

(43:45):
happening again. They want real investments in their community. They
want treatment instead of incarceration, they want investments in mental health.
And what we saw was that there was a missing
voice in the criminal justice debate, that these folks who've
been impacted by crime and violence didn't have a stay

(44:05):
and at the same time, their name was being used
to justify mass incarceration. And so part of our work
was to elevate the voices of victims to say, not
in my name, We do not want to see prisons
and jails built. We want investments in our communities to
start crime for happening. So now we're at the Lions

(44:26):
of Safety and Justice have over one hundred thousand members
victims of crime. We weighed in on the election. We
had a whole campaign called Heal the Vote, which was
bringing these stories to lie as to what we want
the justice system to say. And so yeah, I have
a background experience of bringing people together, elevating their voices,

(44:47):
and moving in in direction of making real change happen.
You know the reason I asked about that is because
you know, I think about Michael and Philly, and you
know there's a brother in Philly, man who who did
twenty years in prison. You know who's peaks out about
the injustices that happened in prison, and that's Wallow. I
would love to see Wallow down with the Reform Alliance
in some way shape reform. Do you know Wallow? Michael?

(45:10):
I think I've met Wallow. I'm pretty sure I have.
And I gotta tell you something. One of the great
things by having a Meek Mill, a Jay z a
Robert Kraft as founding members of this is they've been
so much more attention to it, gets so many more
people to want to help. One thing is to get
everyone who's affected to work together. But if we get
the people that art effected to care about this issue

(45:30):
and work together, that's bigger than anything. And the great
thing is with our board members, they're always saying, like,
what else can we do? Who do you want me
to call? How can I help? And you know, we
gotta do that on a massive scale. And so we
need your guy, and we need millions of people, and
we need them of all the backgrounds, because that's the
only way we're gonna fix this. If not, it's gonna
be the same thing that happens, you know, for the

(45:52):
past twenty years. I'm telling me we got all. I'm
gonna tell me Kla Wallow, all right, we got more
with Michael Rubin and Robert Rooks. When we come back,
it's the breakfast club. Good morning, working on a weekend

(46:15):
like usual, way off and it deepen like usual. Swear
they passed us. They're doing too much. Haven't done my taxes.
I'm too turned up. Virgil got a paddock on my
risk going nuts. Caught me slipping once. Okay, So what
someone hits your block up? I tell you if it
was us man, our house in Rosewood too. Plus save

(46:37):
my Day's a number. But I keep waking up. No,
you see my text, baby, please say something fine by
the class man, our chiefs gain home, gotta move on
my release, staying home. This is fame, knockclout. I don't
even know what that's about. Watch your mouth, baby, got
it ego twice the size of the crib. I can

(46:58):
never tell it that it is what it is, said
what I had to and did what I did. Never
term my medal, mg goverbid Virgil got Paddock on my
rist doing front flips, giving you my number. But don't
get me, you don't. I'm done morning. Everybody is DJ
Envy Angela yee. Charlomagne the guy. We are the breakfast club.
We have Michael Ruben and Robert Rooks in the building. Charlomagne.

(47:21):
You know when I look at you know, Robert Kraft,
and I look at Jay Z and I look at
Michael Rubin buying fifty million dollar houses in the Hampton's,
I have to ask, what is the pay like for
the CEO reform? Robert, Hey, hey, listen. You know this
is a generational problem, right. The issue of probation parole

(47:42):
is an issue that undermines individuals, undermines families, undermines community,
undermines the economic net of possibilities for everyday people. And
so we're going to be weighing in and changing that.
And we have generational actors Jay Z and Mike Rubin
or honor Um and others. These are people that have

(48:04):
made significant impact in their own space coming together and
we're gonna make a generational change. But I was talking
about generational wealth and the generational wealth they have and
how much of that are they giving to you to
be ceo. Oh yeah, no, no, I'm getting there, and
I appreciate, but I just wanted the highlight. He just

(48:24):
he comes out with the hard charging questions and I'm
sure tell you what's up? How was you making? Man?
I know right, I'm sure the biggest day office though,
when you see the effect that it has on families
and on people who are you know, cause, imagine how
much that affects people's families, not even just a person
who goes to jail or is on probation. That affects

(48:47):
the whole family. So in the whole community that you
have entire communities where like fifty percent of the folks
are in the system somehow fitting the black men, let
me say, are in the system. Where do you think
that does to the tax base? Where do you think
that does to the household to the community, to parks,
to like activities, sports like it undermines all of that,

(49:08):
and so we need to just get the weight of
the system off of everyday people's backs. And and that's
what that's what one hey, Charlotte Mane I alway had
to tell them because the question you ask is actually
an important question, and the reason is the way we
want to build a Reform Alliance is like an entrepreneur
based venture company, go out and get the best talent.

(49:32):
That's a win. One of the problems when you're looking
at a lot of you know, I'm just being blood,
a lot of charitable work just across the world is
they have a bunch of people who care deeply about
the issue, but they're not beasts. We need beasts to
feel like, you know, Robert's a beast. Okay, Van was
a beast on this. Robert's gonna build a team like
Robert's got an incredible team that Van built that he's

(49:54):
you know, kind of work with, and he's going to
continue to build that team. And I gotta tell you
something in my company, in my day job, but it's
no different with the Reform Alliance. We will never stop
to get the best talent available to winner what we
want to do. And I'll tell you it comes back
to when we started the Reform Alliance. I don't want
to say who it was, but I had a really
close friend of mine, really successful person, and he said,

(50:17):
you know, kind of what's your goal? And I said,
you know, what do you think my goals should be? Says,
I think you should get You should have been going
to get ten thousand people off information for all. I
thought about it for mini. I said, we're gonna do
a million. He said, huh. I said, we want to
get a million people out of the system. He said,
how'd you come up with that? I said, well, there's
four and a half million people on probation for all.
Then there's there's probably two or three million too many,

(50:39):
so millions of nothing goal. It's only like I have
for a third of the people that we shouldn't be
getting necessary, so it's an easy goal. He said, well,
I think ten thousands of right number. And the reason
I tell you this story is because you have to
think big. You have to build big. It's no different
than business. What you guys do. You guys probably all
have dreamings and he just keep pushing and pushing, so
for me coming up with a goal of getting a
million people of the system, which we just gotta hit.

(51:01):
And by the way, we've got hundreds of thousands of
people already coming out of permission probas so what we've
done in California, Michigan, the other states. So we're tracking
through our boat getting a million people out of the system.
It's the same thing when you build an organization. We
wanted to get Robert to be our next CEO. We
want Robert to have any the tools he needs to
have the most successful organization so that we win and

(51:23):
what we want to do because if not, how we
actually accomplish this boy ball call. No y'all y'all have
y'all have really really really elevated the conversation about prison
reform with the Reformer lines, and it is very inspiring.
I've you know, I've had conversations with dads about this
just I want to build something like this for mental
health as well, just because what y'all have done with

(51:44):
the Reformer Lines, It's created this big, large conversation that
transcends hip hop, pop culture and just you know, everyday society.
And I think that's dope, that's how you get things done. Yeah.
That I love hearing that. That makes me so happy
because to me, you know, we got to find inspiration
to inspire ourselves in the same way that meeting inspired,
you know, all of us collectively to start the reformal lines.

(52:06):
You know, if in any small way we help you
to go out into something great, that's incredible. I can
tell you. It's funny. Mental health is an issue that
I never understood. And you know, I like I was
always just kind of given by the way my mom
was a psychiatrist. I grew up in an environment it
was just like kind of you set your mind is
something and you know, you have blinders on them. And
then I realized, like in the last five or ten years, well,

(52:27):
this is a much bigger issue than I understood, and
you know, it's somebody and by the way, you know,
big about people that are stuck with it. Like, by
the way, the people that I think have so many
you know, been so adverssively affected by mental health. Is
when you grow up in an environment, a ruthless environment,
how are you not going to have you know, significant
mental health issues prevalent in your community. So somebody like

(52:49):
you that puts this on the shoulders can make a
huge difference. And it's about by the way, it's about
thinking differently, just being unrelented, and that's like, that's what
makes you know, I know what we do business, what
I you know what we're doing with the reform lines.
We just don't quit. It's like you're just you're saying,
I got this big goal, I'm gonna go after I'm
not gonna fucking quit. I acomplish it. And it's the
same thing if you do that. So you know, I'd

(53:10):
love to help you in any way possible because it
is a really big issue that I understand better now
than I did in the past. Still not well enough,
but you know, you can make a huge difference. And
you know what that's that will be more impactful than
anything else you do, because I can tell you, um,
you know, for me, I've had a fair amount of
success in business and I love it and completely driven
by it. But I'm so excited about like I'm you know,

(53:31):
I'm more excited to be talking about reformal lines than
I am about anything else because it's the millions of
people's lives that we can affect, and that's you know,
when I'm not here one day, you know that'll be
probably you know, the thing that I'll be, you know,
most proud about looking up. So yeah, and I mean
in a gold hand to hand with what y'all doing,
because I mean, if you go to prison for ten
fifteen years, you think you're not gonna come home and

(53:51):
have to judge, you don't think you're dealing with no
mental health issue. I think if you go rob oh yeah, no,
I just want to jump in trouble. May Man. So
good to hear you say this, and it is directly
connected to what we're gonna do or perform, alliance. We're
gonna shrink the system that like, that's what we're gonna
We're gonna shrink the system. It's an eighty billion dollar
budget right now for prisons and jails and and and

(54:13):
to keep people in the cartural state. We're gonna shrink that.
We're gonna take the money out of that and invested
in real programs and opportunities for people at the local level.
And that's mental health. That's mental health, that that substitutes treatment.
Those are things that allow us to get at what's
the root cause of some of these crimes. We're only
putting a band aid on on issues and it's not
helping anyone. And so as we are successful moving those

(54:37):
resources to mental health program it would be great to
have a partner like you Mantus elevating the issue, talking
about the state by state and ensuring that these programs
get off the ground so they can help everyday people.
I don't want to butcher this number, but I believe
and Robert keep me honest. Here in California, once we
implemented the one year cap on misdemeanors and to your

(54:59):
cap unfelony probation, I think they projected they're gonna have
a two billion dollars savings over the next five years,
and the number one thing they talk about is investing
that in mental illness and mental health. Now, how like,
how beautiful is that we have a screwed up system
that we're for fixing. We're then taking call savings and
invest in an area that needs, you know, incredible investment.

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So to me, that's like, actually, you know, you gotta
give it to Gavenues with the governor California. I mean,
this guy has had a lot of courage and he's
taken by way, he's taking a lot of shit for
you know, being out there and doing the right thing.
And you know, he's done a lot for criminal justice
before him. And I gotta tell you, you know, I
only met him in the last year every way during
this process, but he's a guy who's put this stuff
on his shoulders and said I'm gonna do the right

(55:42):
thing and I'm gonna take the savings to invest in
other areas with a lot of backlash, a lot of
people fighting against him, but he's the guy who, uh,
you know, he's had courage to to uh, you know,
make big, big changes and really set a standard and
news standard for other states to look at and say,
this is the way we should operate. If we could
have the laws in California and every state in the country,
we'd be a rap on probation and pro law changes.

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There's still be so much more work to do. We
have the laws right and that we have the framework
right to go do so much other work as a
you know, as an out out him output them getting
those changes made. That's right. Reformer Lions dot Com Michael Rubin,
Robert Rookes, thank y'all appreciate everything. Y'all are doing my brothers.
Appreciate you guys, thanks so much. All right, the bas club,

(56:25):
thank you. Take care of you. Get dunk or h
I'm gonna fatten all that shit around your eyes. They
want this man to Dogan blowers. Many wait for Charlomaye

(56:46):
to top these gloves. Let's go. They have to make
a judgment who was going to be on the donkey
of the day. They chose you because the breakfast Club, bitchy,
who's donkey of the day to day donkey of the
day goes to Peter the People for Ethical Treatment of Animals. Now,
respect Peter and what they stand for. Won't stop me
from enjoying the flesh of delicious creatures like cows, chickens, turkeys, lambs, goats,

(57:09):
and various fish. What about oxes, I tell's real ox Yeah, okay,
I enjoyed those two. Listen. I'm from Monks Corner, South Carolina.
All day. I eat dead meat, all right, don't think
for one second, baby won't get eaten if it's cooked right,
squirreled dumplings. I've eaten bad shoulder in West Virginia. Look, man,
I am an omnivore. Okay, meat and plants that's what
I like. But I respect Peter. Okay. Some things I

(57:32):
agree with when it comes to them. Okay. One thing
I agree with is I don't like seeing animals caged. Okay.
I think zoos are animal prisons. And it's something about
knowing people went to kidnap animals to enslave them that
feels all too familiar to my ancestors. Okay. I also
don't like to see animals tortured when they boiled them alive,
or hanging them up in those meat markets, just stick

(57:52):
hooks through them, listening to them scream. I hate it. Okay.
I want you to make it to my dinner plate.
It's peacefully, it's possible. Now we have had Ingrid Nork,
the CEO of Peter on Breakfast Club. By the way,
let me refresh your memory. Play some clips from it.
We ate everybody else, and I say everybody who, well,
we ate veal. For example, that was one no. You know, hey, Charmante,

(58:15):
you know feel it's the baby cow and the mother
loves that cow. I've heard people say you should always
eat the mother. If you're gonna eat the well, it
actually would be a courtesy if you shot the mother first.
In the head when she wasn't looking. But no, I
still ate shellfish until one day in a restaurant they
brought a plate of live lobsters. To the time. When

(58:38):
I see that, when you walk into a restaurant and
you can see the live though, I'm like, oh man,
how could you love it? Know you jun't. You're just pretending.
I know you, and you know what's happening out in
the West Colorado. In those places they people are getting
Kreutzfeldt yakub disease. It's just like mad cow disease, and

(58:59):
it's add elk disease. Elk is really tasty. I'm not
that at those time that you ate. Then good morning, Ingrid.
You're welcome back at any time. But I'm telling you
right now, when you come back, when you are debating
this foolishness, that Peter release you. According to various news sources,
Peta is calling on humans to denounce animal insults like chicken,

(59:23):
our pig our rat. I repeat, Peter is calling on
humans to denounce animal insults like chicken, our pig, are rat.
Let me think of a good animal insult for this
um bush. Okay, let's go to Oa and for the
report Place PETA, otherwise known as People for the Ethical
Treatment of Animals is back and more woke than ever.

(59:44):
The organization posted a thread of tweets explain what they
call speciism, which, according to them, is when humans use
animals as an insult, for example, calling someone a chicken
when they're scared or a rat when they snitch. Peter
says that these are anti animal slurs that perpetuate oppression,
and that we must reject the supremacist language and offer
what they call inclusive words like coward or snitch very unifying.

(01:00:08):
Peter says that by using animal speech, she says adjectives
were degrading animals and reinforcing the idea that humans are
superior to other animals and therefore justified in violating them.
What Dodo bird at Peter came up with this idea? Okay,
how dare you say calling someone an animal is an insult? Okay,
you said you said calling someone an animal is an
insult that reinforces the myth that humans are superior to

(01:00:31):
other animals and justified in violating them. First of all,
you are discrediting all the times we use animals as
terms of endearment, If I say that's my dog, Okay,
that's my dog, that's love. If I say, man, he's
one cool chat, that's love. If I say, and that's
on Mary had a little lamb, I am put in
respect on Lamb CHOP's name. So Peter, don't act like

(01:00:53):
we don't use animals as terms of endearment. But the
reason you folks at Peter are really getting donkey of
the day is for one simple reason. Y'all worried about
the myth that humans are superior to animals. I don't
believe we are superior to animals. I believe we are
one with animals. I believe in unity consciousness. And when
it's true unity, you don't tell me what my name is.

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I repeat, when it's true unity, you don't tell me
what my name is. Peter, you upset at us for
calling someone an animal is an insult. The real insult
is you didn't even let those animals name themselves. Who
named the pig a pig? NVD? You know, Angelie? Do
you know? I don't know? Who named the chicken a chicken?

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Who named the snake of snake? Who named the slot
for slot? Who amongst us has ever had a conversation
with any of those animals, and they introduced themselves as
any of the aforementioned names. Names. Okay, I have watched
Roots enough times to know that when the colonizer wants
your name to be something, he doesn't care what your

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name actually is. God, Okay, if the Creator put those here,
and according to the Bible, Adam gave the creatures their names.
Looking up, pull out your Lebron James version of the Bible,
it says Adam named the animals. Now, when you do
some more digging, and I'm sure it's folks out there
who really do this for a living and have way
more information than me, But when you do some real digging,

(01:02:17):
you realize that a lot of times folks were just
winging it. Penguins nobody knows how they got their name,
but once upon a time they were called ours feet,
hippopotamuses okay, means river horse in Greek. Raccoons used to
be called washbears. My point is that damn colonizer wants
to call animals whatever they choose, but wants us to

(01:02:40):
respect the fact that we shouldn't call each other something
they made up, when the reality is all those animals
were named those things without their consent. Oh, Peter, you're
playing a dangerous game. Who amongst you has had a
conversation with a giraffe to know that that is indeed
what they want to be called. At least Toys or
Us actually called their giraffe Jeffrey. They gave that creature,

(01:03:02):
that animal a real name, Peter, you said it yourself.
Words can create a more inclusive world. Our perpetuate oppression.
By not allowing animals to name themselves, we as humans
are oppressing them. What if sasquash Bigfoot? What if his
name really was Harry and then Henderson's were correct? What
if that mouse name really is Many? And the only

(01:03:25):
reason Disney got it right is because they spoke to
her and asked her what her name was and didn't
just tell her what she was. Now, when Ingrid new
work was here, she broke down specism. Let's listen. What
is specism? Because I read something about that and I
was like it was a language, right, like don't say
things like dog on or no almost. But it's just

(01:03:46):
against supremacism and speciesism says, don't think you're a god
just because you belong to one species, just because you're
in control, doesn't mean that you shouldn't be decent to
the other species. So it took human supremacism, discrimination prejudice
against others because they're not exactly like you. Ingrid, You're

(01:04:07):
right for the most part, okay. Depending where we are,
humans are in control. You're in that water, no sharks, whales,
they have control. Okay, But it's nothing decent about labeling
someone are some animal something they never told you they were,
until Ingrid are someone at Peter sits down and has

(01:04:28):
a conversation. When one of these animals, and one of
these animals tells us, yes I am indeed a kangaroo,
or yes I am indeed a lama, then Peter will
have to continue to hear these animal insults. And I
am about to play a sound from one of the
animals used to insult people for the past ten years
on this radio by simply saying, dramas, please give Peter

(01:04:50):
the biggest he haul. All right, Charlot Mane, thank you
for that. Donke in a day, yes, ma'am, all right,
we got more coming up next. We're a breakfast Club,
the world's most dangerous morning show, The Breakfast Club Morning
Everybody is DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlemagne the guy. We

(01:05:11):
are to Breakfast Club. We got a special guest with
us this morning, Lorienne Gibson. Morning, Lorian, dance your dance
eight Steps to Alicia Passion and live your dream. Welcome,
Hey guys. Oh my god, you guys got my bugs?
How emostly amazing is that? Oh my gosh, you've been,
You've been, You've been around for a long time. You

(01:05:33):
were oge How stupid to zoom interviews feel stupid? I
was really upset that I couldn't be there. I'm like,
this just doesn't feel right, just to be one hundred
Oh you could have gained We're starting to have guests finally,
So if you would have been in New York area,
we would rather you be in person. Yeah, me too.
This feels very foreign, and because we're all family and

(01:05:53):
I love you guys so much, it feels really weird.
But at the end of the day, very happy to
have this moment to promote something that is so incredibly
amazing and it look I can't even express how grateful
I am to get this book out, this messaging. It's
breadcrumbs to never giving up. That's what I'm calling it. So,
why did it take you so long to write this book?

(01:06:14):
It feels like this book should have been in people's
hands a long time ago. I think because ultimately, it
took a while to understand how to communicate my methodology,
and I wanted it to go beyond the artist that
I've built. You know, you build superstars, you build big stars,
and you hope that their narrative matches your narrative, and

(01:06:35):
sometimes when it doesn't, then you feel frustrated, and then
you want to be able to communicate all of you,
not just some of you, through the art that you make.
So this book is the beginning of me touching every
single dreamwarrior, every single visionary, every entrepreneur, every person who
doesn't want to have to feel like they have to
be like someone else in order to succeed. The understanding

(01:06:58):
of your passion, driving your choices, having your dream, and
it's supported by situations that I have been through where
I have received the revelation in order to help you
understand that these eight steps are something that you can
go back to in your fight, you know, against situations
that are oppressive or less than perfect for your well being.

(01:07:21):
So it's really awesome. It took a while to become
all that I needed to be. Yeah, there were so
many things about you that I did not know. And
you do start up the book just basically talking about
your childhood, and you had one teacher who made you
feel well, wanted to make you feel like you could
never be a ballerina, and thank god you didn't listen

(01:07:42):
to that. And you stress the importance of early education
and how teachers really do make such a big difference
in your lives, as well as your parents just supporting
your dreams. Can you talk about that? Yeah, I really
believe that seeds that are planted early. You know, I
had a natural ability to fight off something that didn't
align itself with my truth and my dream at a

(01:08:04):
very young age, I was born to dance. I tell
people I had a passion for dance that was not normal.
And because of this passion, because of this love, when
I met mister Christopher who said my feet were too
flat and my back wasn't arched because I was black,
and he said that I would never be a ballerina,
there was something inside of me that was warring against

(01:08:25):
that seed taking route inside of me. So I use
that so that these kids can really understand when they
dare to dream and they come up against something somebody
that hasn't experienced their gift, or you may be the
person to change the narratives to be the new version.
You know, everyone's meant for a certain time. So when

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you carry an original gift, you have to understand how
to really repel a seed that could build insecurity versus
empower your individualism or your uniqueness. That sounds like no.
I was just like mister Christopher white Man, I don't
know what you're talking about, because in my head and
in my heart, I'm not only a ballerina, but I'm

(01:09:09):
every type of dance and I see myself staring and leaping,
and so I held onto that. And then when I
thought Alvin Eley twelve years old at the o'keef Center,
I was able to visually connect the feeling of my
dream just seeing those powerful black ballerina store on stage.
I want to unpack that a little more because the
subtitle is eight steps to Unleash your passion and live

(01:09:31):
your dream. Right, how does one really live their dream?
Because sometimes folks will see you, or they'll see a
diddy or anybody who's successful and they say that's my dream,
that's what I want to do. I want to do
what they're doing. But that's not really their dream is
they just see it working for someone else. So how
do you help someone really live their dream and find
their dream of Well that's why it's eight steps. Obviously,

(01:09:53):
like choreography, eight counts, but it's eight steps. So once
you dare to dream and you define and you define
your passion, you know it can never be compared to
I talk about staying in your yes by step four
because the comparing is what is causing the confusion. Once
everyone has their own dreams, their own DNA, their own passion,

(01:10:17):
we're all uniquely built. And that's part of why we
have to change the narrative, especially in the music industy history,
especially in the culture. They're always trying to remake something
that's already out. And so yes, you can use what
I've done as inspiration, but that's why you got to
dance your own dance. No two people are going to
take the same role. Those are just the facts. So

(01:10:40):
you know, the HL help you identify your passion, identify
your uniqueness, and then I help you understand it and
secure the confidence to stay in it. Be inspired by others,
but define yourself by yourself. You don't think people. As
a choreographer, you know, sometimes you have to teach people

(01:11:02):
how to dance. Can you teach anybody how to dance?
And who probably was the toughest person to teach how
to move in dance? I absolutely think everybody in dance
everybody it's a dance is pedestrian. Dance is just your
own understanding, your own body, your own rhythm, how your
spirit moves, understanding how to be fearless with the physicality
of your body. Yet I can teach anyone to dance.

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Everybody was a challenge, Pop Daddy, Lady Gaga, Nicki Minaje,
Katy Barry, everybody has their own challenges. But just like that,
everyone has their own unique dance. But I don't really
see the challenges. I see what's not there. I see
what you can do that no one can do, and
then I dig into that and I understand your rhythm.
I listen to the record, I understand where you breathe,

(01:11:47):
how you take that breath, when you should move. And
that's why I've probably built some of the biggest superstars
in the world. Because I built them based off of
their own magic. So yeah, I can teach anybody dance.
Last time you promised you're gonna teach me and Charlemagne
and routine. We don't forget about that. This is our
ten years ursery. So I want next time you can
we see you. Yes, I'm too old, Laura. My knees

(01:12:10):
ain't what they were, you know six seven years ago.
Well you ain't gonna bust it. You ain't gonna drop
on your knees. Bro. First of all, I want to
talk to you about that little old obsession you've been
having lately. I need you to change that narrative time lift.
You keep speaking this and I'm just not accepting it
because you look great. I look amazing. I'm just getting
ready to rumble. I just want you to lose that narrative. Listen,

(01:12:31):
I can put some ice on the knees. Like there's
there's a million different choices to make. The problem is,
but we don't understand our season, and we're making choices
like we're not in this very very good season where
we don't have to touch our toes and get down
as low as we used to. I like being an
og though, I'm embracing it. I'm forty two. I actually

(01:12:55):
love it. I think people have this negative connotation on
the world old. I love it. No, I didn't say
it's listen well, okay, tomato tomato, right. I OG is
about wisdom and that's just lacking. So I do agree
with you. You know, like you know, you can have
all the talent in the world, all of what's going
on and got you, but you don't have the wisdom

(01:13:15):
to make me feel nothing. You know what I'm saying.
You can digitally download a record, you could do it all,
but you can't create an experience. Well, we open back up.
If you are not understanding that people will pay a good,
good price to go to a good, good show, and
you haven't taken the time to dance your dance, get
artists developed, understand your why really be connected to creating

(01:13:39):
an experience, then you're over right. So wisdom teaches you
the how and brings in your why. So yeah, I
will never apologize for being this right this, you know
what I mean? Right now, I'm with you. But when
you tell me your knees are hurting me and your
own I can't really relate. We have more with Laurie
Anne Gibson, you know Ranne Gibson, choreographer and more. Dance

(01:14:03):
Your Dance is a new book. Will kick it with
hus someone when we come back as the Breakfast Club
goal Morning Wanting everybody is DJ Envy Angela Yee Charlomagne,
the guy we are to Breakfast Club was still kicking
with Laurie Anne Gibson. Charlomagne, Laurian, You're a person that
found a purpose at an early age. It seems like
you knew who you were or wanted to be in
an early age. Do you think people who never knew
who they were, people who aren't securing themselves, do you

(01:14:25):
think they can ever get to the point, especially in
this era, where they can really be their authentic original
seals one hundred percent. I have to believe, and that's
why I wrote the book, because everyone has the opportunity
to arrive at their best life Step eight and live
their dreams. Yes, one hundred It is never over. It
is never too late. You're designed to arrive at that

(01:14:46):
place where you have a fulfilled life. I think that
a lot of the times it's about understanding people around you,
and I talk about in step three, you know, building
your team. Unfortunately, sometimes a lot of young kids get
like like told that they can't that what's unique about
them is not valid. You know, my father, I had

(01:15:09):
a box in the basement that I would dance in
and out of. And it was in his man cave.
You know. He had like his records and his JBL
speakers and my father's Jamaican so you already know how
his music and his actor work sessions meant to him.
And there was a huge box in the corner and
I was always like dancing in and out of it.
And one day my father was like, let listen, man,

(01:15:30):
you haven't dash out that box. Like this box can't
stay in a my kids, you know. So my mother
was like, no, they shouldn't leave to pick me. Leave
her with their box. So apparently one day my father
asked me because my older sister told me recently, Luri Anne,
what are you doing in that box? And I said, Daddy,
I'm bursting myself into the world. And it was later

(01:15:52):
that I understood when Gaga was in Europe and I
was in LA and she played me Born Born this Way,
and I was like, as soon as I heard the record,
you know, I had a certain creative process, and I
was like, I got it. We're gonna birth a race.
We're gonna birth a race. Was in a race that
cannot hate. And I was obsessed with prosthetics, and I said,

(01:16:13):
and we will use prosthetics to identify this race. And
then it went on and it grew. And that's why
I put her in the egg and that big Grammy performance.
She was incubating, she was changing her DNA. You know,
we didn't want to break the fourth wall, but I'm
saying all that to say that little girl dancing in
and out of that box, that was the beginning of
me understanding that I was a creative visionary. And if

(01:16:34):
my parents had shut that down, I would have felt
not as competent about having that childlike imagination and understanding
how to tap into it. And today it's about an Instagram,
it's about a Google. It's hard for young kids to
work their imagination, work that part of the creativity, and
adults and an entrepreneur, it takes that imagination to create

(01:16:58):
a new perspective. So really super passionate about not oppressing
that which could be potentially something new that the world
means yes, and it cloud your discernment too. You also
say there's no me too movement back then when you
were getting started, and you referenced that there were people

(01:17:20):
who definitely and fortunately for you, you trusted your instincts. Right.
You even describe auditioning for Bobby Brown and you didn't
like the way he was even looking at you, and
that would have been a great gig, but you turned
it down. So how prevalent was that, because we see
right now there is a me too movement people are
getting closed out for things that they've done and they're
a bad behavior. But how many times, like percentage wise,

(01:17:43):
were those things happening to you where you felt like, Okay,
this is a really bad situation. And was it ever
escalated more than just somebody leering at you? Was it
ever something that felt dangerous? You know what I mean?
The climate, the culture, it was very bad. I just
obviously I one, I have like bigs and a big
butt back then, so I wasn't really you know, it

(01:18:04):
was it was kind of like I was the awkward
bird out. But when I was put in those situations,
it was incredibly pressuring. And it was all in the culture.
You know, backup dancers were supposed to be back up, whatever, backup,
bad bunny, pretend girlfriend, backup, snuggle bunnies on the tour bus, whatever.

(01:18:32):
Instentially like, no, I'm just not understanding my spirit, my passion.
The dancer. I was like, I thought that was enough.
You know, it was a constant bite. But again, um
and there. You know, there was no judgment to the
ones that did. There was just for me a flag,
an indicator that made me feel a certain way. And

(01:18:55):
at the end of the day, it affects the purity
in the gift. It affects the passion. When you're a
young girl with a dream, those proclivities attach themselves to
the way you perform, to the way that you blossom,
to the way that you grow, to the way that
you become your dreams. So ultimately, the fact that I

(01:19:15):
thought it off and the fact that it wasn't the
popular decision, and so I got less opportunity, less checks.
I got called so many things. She's crazy, she's this,
she's that. Not just because I didn't want to do
what you wanted me to do. I had to fight
through those narratives and overcome the insecurities that were trying

(01:19:36):
to take route. But because I did I'm able to
have the revelation to inspire young girls. Now, if you
feel a certain way, if something goes off in you internally,
that is an indicator to walk away. In chapter fourth,
Staying Yes, you tell the story of auditioning for the
Fly Girls and j Loo getting the partner, and Keenan

(01:20:00):
Wins admit a year later that he didn't find you
sexy enough. How did that make you feel? You know?
Not good? Not good. It's it's a fight that young
women's face every day. That's why there's such a need
to run to the plastic surgeon and all of these
elements to help recreate this image that is constantly being

(01:20:24):
catered to or lifted up. And I just took a
long time to understand the sexuality in my dance right
because I was a trained dancer. So it never came
from a place of seducing the mail or understanding what's
what's internally about a sexual experience rather than a dance

(01:20:51):
or something that intentionally wants to move a different part
of you rather than just arouse you. As a dancer,
there are different elements to the way you moved, you know,
And so I wasn't in touch with that particular element
at that time. So it was crushing because I was
definitely one of the best dancers amongst the crew, and

(01:21:16):
so for me, I couldn't understand why am I not
booking this job. I'm still in this but there was
something about the way I was dancing that wasn't as
sexually arousing as I needed to be for that particular
job at the time. I love that answer because you know,
when someone says you aren't sexy enough, you you automatically
probably would assume it was physical, but you didn't feel

(01:21:38):
like it was physical. You felt like it was just
something you weren't doing esthetically as you were dancing. Yes,
I wasn't in touch with that part of me. I
was dancing. I was like making sure my arms were right.
You know, I was hitting the move, but I wasn't
necessarily allowing that, you know, in a venus room org,

(01:22:00):
you know, the internal conversation, the intention to seduce was
not on me. I was. I didn't understand how to
work that conversation got right. So unfortunately, sometimes when you're young,
if you are experienced or exposed to something that is
driven by that type of narrative, sometimes you arrive at

(01:22:23):
that conversation prematurely. I was okay when I was ready
to understand it, because then it gave me a better
sense of self respect. We got more with Lorie An
Gibson when we come back is the Breakfast Club, Good Morning,
the Breakfast Club. And at the World's Most Dangerous Morning

(01:22:50):
Show Morning Everybody is DJ Envy Angela Yee. Charlomagne, the
guy we are to Breakfast Club was still kicking it
with Lorie Anne Gibson. Charlomagne, Well, why do you think
the style of dancing that you know you do did
he used to do the choreography? Why do you think
that's not in hip hop? Like the way stuff Big
Daddy Kane used to do kid and play? Why do
you feel like that's went away? Rappers don't do that anymore,

(01:23:11):
I think because it defines mediocrity with greatness. You know,
I'll never forget bringing Big down from his cage on
the Soul Train Awards and telling him he had to
get down to the top of the stage by first
things first, I pop a freak all the honey, he's funny.
He played boy Bunnies, and I was like, Big, You've
gotta get here by here because the girls gotta come

(01:23:32):
around you and my lightning gotta hit you. And let
me tell you something, Big rehearse back to downstage. He's
on the Soul Train Awards, they all of them nas.
When I brought him out with Lauren Hill, like a
respect that Joe Big Pun Diddy Snoop, a respect for
the stage. We call it the X, we call it

(01:23:53):
the arena. We call it the shoulders of hip hop.
Like you had to be prepared to deliver the lifestyle,
the record, the experience. I think that that's work. These
kids don't know how to work, and that's why it's
over so quick. But we're coming back because you know,
there's so many of them now, it's like water that

(01:24:14):
you have to find the ones that understand how to
do the work to deliver an experience. You know, when
I first met young Sagan and I was like, oh,
my time, just so genius. And we started working together
in the beginning and I told him everything boom boo boom,
and he put the working for his show and it
popped off. But then it was too much discipline and
they gotta they gotta find that narrative because we won't

(01:24:35):
we won't find greatness. I think the baby for me,
he got onto it. I hope he holds onto it.
I'm smelling him a little bit. I love that he
has a process that reflects a bad boy artist in nineties,
you know what I mean, his ability to entertain. But
you know, you gotta live a different life. You gotta
make different choices because you remember when Offset. Remember when

(01:24:55):
Offset was on stage and he did the choreography with
the dances and how dope that look, and everybody got excited,
and I remember him saying, I'm gonna leaning the dancing
boll when he did it and did that too, remember
that exactly, and the reaction they got was great. But
guess what they had to go to rehearsal. They had
to remember it. Yeah, they had to put it in work,
which they don't want to do. I mean, I remember

(01:25:20):
one time Nikki was like, more, oh my god, you
make me work so hard. I was like, yeah, but
that's why you were and are and did what you
did way and you impacted that much. And I think
that that's a real conversation. They just don't want to
do the work, and what you put in is what
you get out, and don't tell me you're the best.
If you don't want to spend time in the gym

(01:25:42):
before you get in the ring, the two just don't
go together, you know what I'm saying. And they don't
spend as much money on videos either. People just shoot
videos and throw them out. Yeah, it's definitely all about
the numbers. But again, if you are designed to impact,
then you have to take a different narrative. You have
to understand that the music industry was built on artist
development and so therefore you can't reach those heights without

(01:26:05):
the knowledge of that. And yes, the music industry has changed,
but there's still people like myself and companies like myself
that believe in developing an artist so they can sustain
their dreams and have multiple albums and have a healthy career.
I think that this generation really has to understand that.
You know, they're not putting money into the black artists,

(01:26:25):
and they never did. But we fought for our integrity.
We dominated what we needed to have people enjoy our
shows and our experience. Now they're fooling you. They're giving
you two seconds and you're drinking that fool aid. But
what they're saying is there's no value in you as
a black artist, because they're definitely still putting the development
money into the white artist, right, But you just want

(01:26:47):
to go back and forth and bump into each other
on stage instead of having a real process. It's so
wild to me that that's the mindset when people like
Andre Harrel did Jermaine Dupreolity, people have laid a blueprint
to what it looked like to develop an artist, Like,
why would people just let that blueprint go to the wayside?

(01:27:09):
Because you said it, and obviously, Andrea, you said it.
You said, Andrea Haral you said didn't you said Jermaine Dupris,
You didn't say Laura and Gibson, You didn't say the
black creatives that are actually part of the artists development system.
Andre was very in my career and allowing me an

(01:27:31):
Uptown Record to understand my passion for artist development. Charlie
Atkins used to do what I did at Motown Records.
Charlie Atkins curated the Temptations support Tops of Supremes. It
was from the studio to the studio. You know. For me,
it's about the visual albums. It's about a whole different
narrative now that we're in the future. But Andre understood

(01:27:55):
the importance of giving the record, the lifestyle, the culture,
the ability to create the platform that would be competitive. Yeah,
you mentioned Big, and I'm always I'm always intrigued by
people who met somebody like Big because big things just
like a mythical figure to me, right, and he's like
talking about a Greek god or an Egyptian god or

(01:28:15):
something like like what kind of impact did he have
on you? He sometimes he always has still has an
impact on me. But uh, he was Jamaican and his
impact was just that a phenomenal, incredible artist, lyricist, but
the heart of a champion and would and understood like
you understand your tribe. And he was someone that respected

(01:28:39):
the gift in me. I remember the night I sat
on his lap when he passed and he and he
still went back and reflected and he was like, oh
my god, did you see that Nas tried to copy
our performance? L And uh that night I didn't have
the heart to tell him my choreograph Nas and Lauren Hill.
So it's not that it was the same, but I
was the beginning of my brand as big, you know.

(01:29:01):
But the fact that he performance it still lived with
him weeks later is who he is. You know, he
was full of greatness. His work out that he was
a master, and he understood opportunity and he understood how
to elevate based on that opportunity. One more thing, you know, Laurie,

(01:29:24):
and you talk about the pain of letting go is
a good pain. Find comfort in knowing that the pain
of shedding what doesn't serve your dream is a part
of the process of becoming the true You explain how
the process was for you becoming the true you well,
through the disappointment, through the pain, you know, there are
so many opportunities. I think that people had to speak

(01:29:45):
into what I did, had the opportunity to help with
the idea, to recognize my contributions and things like that,
and when that didn't happen, you know that it did
would create a pain of appointment. And so through that
pain you have to persevere and there's purpose in the pain.

(01:30:08):
So what it does is it burns up what doesn't
serve you. Meaning as you continue to press, then the
pain produces what you need to carry the dream, to
carry the capacity Charlomane, to stand alone against what the
world says is successful and continue to inspire to stand

(01:30:29):
alone as a female against certain situations where men are
still oppressive and in denial about the power of your gifts.
It creates the capacity to continue to press. It allows
me to not be afraid to be singular with my message,
it with my call, and with the ability to understand
my greatness and to not be intimidated in any room.

(01:30:51):
So you must persevere through the pain, because what you
don't need falls off and what you need rises out.
Go get that book, Dance Your Dance. Eight Steps to
Unleash your passion and Live your dream by the beautiful
Laurian Gibson. Always a pleasure to see you, talk to you. Yes,
the book was very inspiring, So thank you so much,

(01:31:13):
Laurian Gibson. Always a pleasure time you're in town. You
owd me and Charlomagne and some dance lessons. It's listen,
it's just free. It's free because I love you guys,
your family. But listen, I can't afford you no way.
I know. Okay. I think it's something like the Breakfast Club, Bob,
the Breakfast Club. Yeah, we needed to help, Bob. Okay,

(01:31:37):
we'll figure it out. You the creative, that's your lane,
follow your lead, got it? Got it. Okay, well done.
I'll see you guys in rehearsal. It's the Breakfast Club.
Good morning, Peace morning. Everybody is DJ Envy Angela Yee.
Charlomagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. That's Black
History Month. Charlomagne, who we repping today? Yes, today is

(01:31:59):
President Day and we will acknowledge the only black president
we have ever had, President Barack Husain Obama. People love
President Obama. He has been celebrated for years. But you
know this generation called celebrating someone d riding. So let's
keep the d riding going this morning by flashing back
to what I am in thugnificent from the Boomdocks d
riding Obama. The Breakfast Club presents a new Black History Month.

(01:32:21):
Legend got up this morning, days for working right. I
said I wanna make a change. I said I wanna fight.
Obama balled up and said this we can. I said,
I wanna ride just because I think you're the man.
Now it's riding Wama Obama, Obama riding Obama Obama. He's

(01:32:52):
riding riding fall Tomorrow role it's pride and fall today,
it's pride and fall to grated riding for the game.
In riding for America, it's riding for rocking. It's okay
to ride. It's as long as it's rocks. And now
with riding, and that was another New Black History Month

(01:33:15):
legend courtesy of the Breakfast Club. Nothing like d riding,
I mean, celebrating the first black president, right, Breakfast Club,
y'all finish for y'all dumb

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