October 7, 2022 • 35 mins
Toosii Talks "Boys Don't Cry", Loyalty, Cheating, Vulnerability & More
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wake that ass up in the morning. Breakfast Club Morning,
Everybody's DJ Envy and Ngelie E Charlemagne the guy. We
are to Breakfast Club. We got a special guest back
in the building. But welcome back. What's going on? You
got the new EP boys? Don't cry? Tell me about
that title, man, I mean, I don't know. I feel
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like as men, um, you know, our whole life, we
taught to be tough and I have emotions, you know,
I mean, with you some bullshit, by the way, it's
some bullshit. It definitely is. I just have I just
have my son though, So I feel like, you know,
me having my son kind of opened my eyes to that, Like,
you know, I wanted to feel like he could be
his own person. So, I mean that's the biggest thing.
That's that's where the title came from. When you get
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that mentality from, because most most dads, I'm sure your
dad's age or you raise your kid, fall down, I
get back up. Don't you cry? You hope them tiens.
Don't you cry to it? What made that? What had
that change to you as a as a father? Um?
I was raised by women, I mean, um, even raised
by a women. I was it's raised to be tough.
Um with him. I want him to be his own person.
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I mean, I don't. I don't want to fall into
the same light or the state, same same statistic that
everybody else selling into. So, I mean that's the biggest thing.
I don't know. I'm gonna give you a book before
you leave here about Jason Wilson cried, like a man,
just remind me to give it to you else. Somebody
else just told me that yesterday. Oh yeah, powerful, powerful book,
because I feel like all you're doing is raising a
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generation of sociopath when you tell a bunch of men
don't feel Yeah, they said, they said, they said the
book about like basically like emotional incarceration. That's right, yea, yeah,
I'm gonna check it out. I got it for you.
I got it. I got copies up here somewhere. Oh yeah,
I need it. How are you able to open up then,
like to even be in a relationship, Um, honestly, like
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when when it came to that, I don't know. I
just I just did it. It was you can't run
away from love. You heard that's something that that's gonna
follow you no matter where you go. Herd So I
don't know either. You will love quick like the first
sight type of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's ninth
grade with everything na na la. But I have my
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one person though, Yeah, I mean it's ninth grade that
I that's okay. Yeah, yes, it's ninth grade. Like I
knew who that was, who I wanted to do it.
I mean, so it's kind of like that. You still
feel like that's that's a rare thing to happen for
that and you would say that happened with you. Yeah,
my wife was fifteen or sixteen. Yeah, that's crazy. He've
been together twenty seven years, married twenty one, same thing
my wife for twenty four years. Yeah, not married as long,
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but matches twenty fourteen. They figured it out. Yeah, I
hope I get there. How do you get there? I said,
I hope I knew. Oh yeah, I mean you're going
through it now, and listen, it's gonna be ups and
it's gonna be downs, and you're gonna make mistakes and
she might get how y'all do ya do it? Now?
That's complicated question. I'm gonna get another book. Complicated question.
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That's always a question that I got from couples that
have been together that long. I always wanted to know
what it was that that kept them together, and usually
you get you get the same answers like patience, um
and things of that nature. So yeah, I mean that's
part of it. I think for myself. It's also you know,
when we first started going out, there was nothing there.
It was just loved. It wasn't about money, it wasn't
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about relationship, wasn't about going else. So we develop a
love that's outside of anything else. Like she's you know
when they call rid a die, she's really that person.
She's really when I have a problem, she's my best friend.
I can talk to her. We can have those uncomfortable
discussions and problems and situations. But also that was before
the money. That was before the money. That's it. That's
that I think when he said it, probably the most
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important thing. You gotta be really friends with a person.
And I think sometimes men we'd be more loyal to
our homies than we do all women. This thing we
will do to our guys, that will do to the
presion we go to sleep with that, you know every night. Yeah,
that's crazy to me. I don't lie, can't. I can't
do it because that and there. It's like, you know,
I mean, if this I date the mirror, you know,
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so if this is the person that I'm looking at, mirry,
It's like I can't sit and be like, I'm gonna
be more lower than my home was than I am.
The girl that's gonna be you know, the girl that's
gonna be my wife. I mean the Boby said it
your wife come before anything. I'm trying to find your
own words too, Like you got to know what your
definition of love is. Definitely, I mean, because I thought
I loved my wife back then. But if I loved
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her the way I thought I did, I wouldn't have
did some stuff that I did. You know what I mean?
So what you learned you listen? Yeah, man, listen, yo, listen.
I don't lie. It's like the world, the world, the
world won't understand some of that stuff though you give
what I'm saying, Like you know, you you you look
at it as you overcoming you know, something that you
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went through. I mean, the rest of the world might
look at it like, uh, you did that, you dare wrong?
So I don't know, it's you could be both two
things can be true. Yeah, two things definitely could be true.
Things could be true most deaf. Two things definitely could
be true. It's a little bit different when you and
the Slight though. Oh yeah, you're artists because you you're
trying out your superpowers. You've never been in this version.
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Oh god, what I'm saying, like we like Angela was
just talking about girls doing dick sucking contests and asking
men if they can be judges. That's what that didn't
happen before you. I ain't explain't say it's none of that.
I don't know none of that, none of that. Man,
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do you think that y'all have to go through something
in order for you to realize what you have? Yes,
sadly to question, I don't think so. I don't think so.
I feel like I feel like, um, I feel like
you can know what you I feel like you can
know what you what you got before you before like
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fucking up. I don't feel like you gotta fuck up
to know what you got Like I don't know. I
also don't think cheating got anything to do with the woman.
Cheating has to do with what we like in ourselves. Men.
It's yeah, you're trying to feed all ego. It's all intoget.
You know that's so crazy. That's that it's crazy that
you said, because like I always told myself, like I
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never needed more than one woman to strouke my ego.
I never needed that, you know. I mean, if I
had one one female that could stroke my ego and
just make me happy, I'd be cool with that. Like,
but I don't know, though, some shit you get some
niggas that that polygamy, you know what I mean? So
I think they just think they want that. And you
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remember when I called my dad cheating back in the day.
My dad said to me, oh, you only got one
girlfriend one day? You go understand. So when you planted
that seat in my head, yeah, I mean thinking like damn,
so I gotta have man like this. I gotta I
gotta do the shit he did. I don't. I don't.
I don't think like that. What does it mean when
you say to tweet a woman like a lady, but
effet like a hole? What is it? What does that mean? Like?
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How do you do that to somebody like that? Man?
You getting you get in the bedroom. You know, girls
want to be slatted out, man, you know what I mean?
You get in the bedroom with a girl shoul't want
to be treated like she a girl she wanna be
she wanna be fucked like you're gonna suck one of
them holes. How's that? Like, what's the difference like the holes?
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That's a trick question. That's no, that's a trick question.
Your girl ever say something like that. Don't answer that question. No, don't, don't,
don't even do nothing. But I don't lie too. It's
like like I don't know, Like it's like, it's like
treating a girl with respect outside of the bedroom. But
in the bedroom she wants. You know that the bedroom
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the only time you could disrespect the Girl's just like
when women say women say, women say, you gotta be
a lady in the streets of freaking the shore. It's
the same thing. That's all in the bedroom. That's the
only time one woman want to be disrespected. She want
to hear post, she want to be slapped, you want
she wants all the type of shit. Yeah, I mean
that's so, that's what it means. I mean, she don't
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so you'd be pulling hair, slapping, doing all that. Man,
we do, come on, do it back to you? No,
hell not? What the fuck? That's not that's not true.
Hell Na, that's not pulling your hair, pulling his hair.
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Ain't no one put nah. I have no hair pulling,
no slapping, no choking. I don't do nothing of that.
You won't get choked. I don't want to get choked.
I got blindfolded, blind for the hell Nah, are you
blind for the me? So you can use your other senses? Senses, man,
that's not what you want to Na. I'm not trying
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to tap into no other senses in the bedroom. I'm good.
I ain't spider Man. Talk about this song. Heard it
hits me. I'm not spider Man. You are trying to
shoot something number one. Listen, and it's so hard. As
you said, you've done taking my heart. Put it in
a bit of place. Let another break my heart. They
wish they could when inspired that UM like going through ship,
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going through hardships and relationships, you know, being in relationships
and getting put through things that you you know, never
been never been through before. Um. You know, and sometimes
you you you bumping the people and you know they
beginning girl sire tasting your mouth. You know what I'm saying.
Like I got I got an X I used to
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be with I don't. Well, I only got too. I
only been with two girls who for yeah her, Oh god, man,
I hate her. What did she do to you? Man?
She broke my motherfucker, she cheated on me. I was
like sixteen though. That shit hurt. Though, you know, you
get cheated like Nigga, get cheated on a high school
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and it's over. I don't like you fucking up for
life with that sh That is true. Yeah, you cheat
on me in high school? Right now? Do you want
to tell them all? I mean what my not telling me?
Hell he had a bad story about getting cheated. Yeah,
but I've been on my woman for twenty four years.
So that's what I mean when I say, you know,
whatever you expect of whatever, say, I want to buy
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whatever she expecting you. You gotta be willing to give
her what she forgives you. If she does something, you
gotta forgive her. No, I will lie forgate. I forgave
a few times, though, I don't want lie that shit.
That Nigga was good then she was a sucker for
red man, I don't want I don't even think it
was what dude, I can't remember I was. I was
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a young man, like so you didn't cheat, but she
only hell nah, she fucked me up. Yeah, she sucked
me up and I kept catching and you kept staying yeah,
hell yeah. I want a trust issues because of that situation.
Crazy part though, I don't even got trust issues because
I feel like I don't know, I just don't got
trust issues. I bet she wish she wouldn't now though
that she was trying. She was trying to throw a
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little quick little shots and say all the type of
ship like that. She said something on the internet the
other day she blew my mind. I forgot what she said.
She said something about, oh, nah, you know what it was.
I had gave my I had gave my girlfriend thirty
K for her birthday. Um, and like, I guess like
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the internet ain't like her that reaction, but she not
really no like over over over after Yeah, she's not
no overreactor. Like, so I gave her the thirty I
gave her thirty K, and shortly going internet, she like, uh,
she should have been me. If I would have got
the thirty K, I would have such a sub order.
Guess what never view you know how you know? Nah?
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She posted it on Facebook and it was public and
people started tagging me yea, yeah, she wanted you to
see that. She wanted me to see that. She wanted
your girl to see that. And then she was hoping
it will cause problems at home. Ain't no problems at home,
that's what that's that's what they want, many problems at home.
Ain't no. I ain't no trouble in paradise. Man. I
saw you kind of like we'll be going through ship.
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Of course all couples do. I let you get that,
But I saw you saying that, you know, you really
don't care for the fame aspect of it, right, So
when you say that, but why shows people stuff like that?
Why show them you giving your girl thirty thousand? I
want a lie? It was like that. So all of
that was before, like I had made that post um.
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I don't know, the fame become a lot, especially at
twenties two, and then on top of that, you know,
you signed these labels and shit like that. Ain't no
media training, it ain't no more fucking like, no, they don't.
They don't teach you how to how to how to talk,
and when you get into interviews with to say whatnot,
you don't do none of this ship or so you
coming into this ship and they're not supposed to because
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that's kind of like taking away from who you are
as a person and as an artist. Yeah yeah, there's
things that could get you in trouble, things that you
most definitely that you could get you canceled. Now, So yeah, right,
if they could guide you. I mean, we're a platform.
If you say something that's gonna get you cancel, that's
gonna get you in trouble, locked up, we're gonna tell you.
I think it might work here. I don't think it
works with social media because when you at home and
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you got in your phone right there you're typing, it's over.
Like so you if you were on social media and
you type, and you sit and type some shit like
oh no the world and in the world, don't it
they go best? But like, um yeah, like I don't know, so,
like I guess like it was kind of like one
of the moments where it's like damn, Like if I
was famous, this never would have been an issue. I mean,
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and they people flipped it and made it seem as
if like it was a thing of um me blaming
the fans for for for whatever happened. But like Honestly,
it wasn't even that. It was just a matter of
like me staying here, Like yo, if if I was
never famous, because my music used to be like important
to me, like it used to be just for me.
I used to which it still is important, but it
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used to be just a thing for me. It used
to be sacred to me. I mean, but I don't know,
I started dropping the music and you know, I'm I'm
more so doing things for the fans now, So I
don't know, it's more so like you know, if I,
if I never was famous, this never have been a problem.
That's That's a great conversation, right because that that is
that impact your creative process because you're thinking about what
the Internet's gonna think or what people are going to think,
instead of just going to make the music you want
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to make. Honestly, I feel like me and my me
and my fans got such a such a good connection
that when I go in there and I record, it's
not really like it's like it's almost like I'm recording
for myself because we got the same thought process. To
be a fan of me, you like the things that
I like. Um, So I don't know, we got to
we kind of got the same thought process. And even
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it'll be times where I get our Instagram live and
make songs with the fans and let them like have
an input on the songs and what's what we're gonna
title the song and what we're gonna talk about in
the song, like things of that nature. So it's kind
of hard to miss when you're doing that. Do so
do you think that people feel like because a lot
of times with your music, because it is, like you said,
very personal and sacred, people really feel like they know
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you and they feel like they know exactly what you're
talking about. You might have a song that you did
two years ago and you put it out now and
they feel like it's something that's happening to you now. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah,
that's that's that's the hard part about everything. You know.
They feel like every song that you make is a
subject of what's going on today today's world, when in reality,
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this shit could have happened thirty years ago. Well, boys
don't cry with this ep um for these songs? Are
these all current songs? Like that's going like, is this
something that we should take as this is something that's
happening to you now? Um? Yeah, yeah, for the most part.
And if it ain't my story, it's somebody else story,
you know what I mean, Because I'll tend to do
that a lot too, Like I might I might make
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a song about you know, some real life situations that's
going on right now, but there might not be something
that's happened to me. It might be my homeboy that's
going through it and not just I just so happen
to see it. So yeah, it could be that too.
Now you're also going on to a road wave and
with a riot of scientists. Ye so, um, how did
that to our come together? Man? Honestly, Um, we got
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the same book and age. So being that we got
the same booking age and shot out the mac agency,
we got the same book and agent, it came time
for him to go on tour and my name just
got throwing that bucket of you know, people we wanted
to bring on tour, so you know, they made it
heaven And now we're going on tour. This is probably
gonna be the fucking saddest tour. Like I see the comments,
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because I see the comments that should have they like, yo,
I'm gonna be in crying and oh my god, it think, yeah,
I think so like I think people enjoy being sad nowadays.
I don't know why. I think people enjoy processing their
emotions because for so long we haven't been allowed to,
especially men. That's what I think now. I did ass
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like sad like when I started seeing the tweets. So
I sat and I like, I'm like, damn, let me
dive into the music like it really see what the
hell going out? I started listening to though fucking marioders, scientists,
spread thin and like that, and then you then you
go to rid wave catalog and he got anything he got.
Then I start diving back into my own shout I
say dead, last song of it is, last song? Yeah,
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sh like that, man, I don't lie. I see, damn,
this ship going to be sad, like somebody got somebody
got to come up with this bitship and turn this
ship up a little bit or something. Man. But in
a way, you know what you're doing because you put
out a lot of songs. And he's like, I'm taking
a break from social media. Come on, now, you always
know what you're doing. I mean, I feel like you
didn't really take a break from social media. Ain't taking man? Listen, man,
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I don't lie one thing about the dope. Man. I
swear I didn't give up on everything that life, like
when it sports, school, relationships, like just I don't lie
like my whole I wouldn't say I've been a quitter,
but like I've been a quitter. You get what I'm saying.
Music something that I could never quit. I could never
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give up. You think you was a quitter or just
a runner? I was a runner. Yeah, I definitely ran
with Timesard, So I definitely say I was a running
But that's something you know, acknowledging it would be the
first step. Ever since then, I've kind of been working
on it, trying not to run away from my situations
uh as much. And like even you know, even even
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you know when I when I first got into you know,
situations and shit like that, My my first start will
always beat up. All right, I'm out, Like if we're
not fit to do this, Like you want to leave,
you be leave, I'm because I'm gonna leave what we do.
But like acknowledging that should be the first step. And
it's like damn, like what you're gonna run away from
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anything you go through? And more importantly, and you learn
this in therapy. You can't run away from yourself. No,
you can't. So you gotta do whatever internal issues you got,
you got to deal with them because you can not
run away from yourself. You gotta deal with it. You
go to therapy. Yeah, once a week. Hell yeah, feel
about five six years man? You know I used to
I used to have a therapist, like you know, when
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you're when you're when your people get a divorce and
shit like that, they make you go to council. Yeah yeah, yeah,
like I used to have a therapist for that, and
then I stopped seeing them. I mean, that might be
another reason to nigga make all this sad ass music.
Therapy is gonna make you mix out word up. My
whole life telling you that therapy. My whole life been
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nothing but shit, just going through shiitard. So all right,
unpacking now. I don't wait till I waited until I
was like thirty five, thirty six years old. Do it now,
so you got you got less years to unpack. Imagine
trying to unpack twenty five years of trauma. Yeah nah
on a lot of shit. Yeah, that's a lot, twenty
five years of trauma, A lot shit. I'm fighting more
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fucking eighteen years of trauma. When you when you did
take a break form music because you said that's something
that you would never run from. Yeah, um, when you
still a lot of crazy. I never takes putting out
like a whole project. Oh yeah, I don't took longer
breaks than that, Like I ain't. I ain't put out
on a project. But I didn't took the longer, longer
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break than what I took this year, like because I
was still dropping singles. I don't want eight months without
dropping nothing. Like, So what did you do? Were you
still working during that time? Yeah? Yeah, the old man
over there had me. Uh, he had me, and he
had me in the studio recording. We were just recording
a bunch of music. I ain't have a catalog, that
was the problem. I ain't have no music in the
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stashum and some some of my my greatest records came
out of that. So like, I definitely appreciate that, But yeah,
I was. I was just recording. You talk about the trauma,
So so your new therapy, I guess, or your therapy
is doing all these records. Then, yeah, that was the
best thing putting you in the studio. Yeah, putting me
in the studio was like, yo, music was like the
best thing that ever happened to me. You get what
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I'm saying, like only changed my life, and then on
top of me changing my life, on top of it
changed my life and opened my eyes to know who
I truly am and what I'm here for. You know,
like my my whole life been a plot twist, Like
ain't nobody ever expect for me to become who I
am today? And people don't expect for me to become
what I'm gonna become. Like I genuinely could look body
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in their eyes and tell them like it's not the
end for me, like it's it's something way bigger than
what people seeing right now. It's just hard for me
to speak on it because every artist to get up
here and say that they're gonna be something bigger than
what they is today, and some is, but some'm not,
you know, I mean, Some'm not gonna make it farther
than this interview. Or when it comes to me like
I'm here to stay, like my name is something that's
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gonna stay afloat no matter what. It's nothing nobody ever
could do to change that. But you know when God
calls you. It's not a conference calls. We ain't for
everybody anyway. Man, listen, there ain't no conference call at
all telling everybody. This ain't those zoom like. I mean,
you can't look into this one. And I feel like
the good thing for you is things have been also
getting bigger every single time, and the momentum is building
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instead of you coming out with a crazy momentum and
then going away, it's still getting high. I'm gonna tell
you what's so crazy though, like, um, where you and
and this is for like all the artists that's out
there right now, don't fall too too deep into the politics.
Like when you started to pour too deep into the
politics and the numbers and you stopped having fun with
it and then started to feel like a job and
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shit like that's it started to feel crazy. I try,
I tell, I tell the people that's around me all
the time, like, um, we got to get back to
having fun with it, because it definitely was a time
where I started to put out my you know, uh
ceo suit I guess you would say, in a sense,
and started digging too deep into things that really don't
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matter for me. It mattered for me, but I ain't
supposed to be handling it, So I started paying attention
to the numbers like I never used to pay attention
to numbers at all. If the song did good, it
just did good because at the end of the day,
the numbers, the numbers be with the numbers be. But
it's always somebody out there that's going to relate to
your shit more than the next person. And that's what
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keep our artists going for it, for it's not about
the fucking first week numbers and all that other bullshit
that people try to make this ship seem like it's about.
It's not about it's not about these deals that's getting
signed and like, because all that should be cool, But
at the end of the day, like when you haven't
fun with the music, all that shit don't come. You
get what I'm saying. So I don't I want a lie,
Like to the artists that's out there, man, don't fall
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too deep into the numbers. Don't fall into first week numbers,
second week numbers, billboards and all types of dumb shit
like that, because half of the motherfucker's that sounds billboards
ain't never think they probably was ever gonna get no billboard.
You get what I'm saying, Like that should be some
sporadic shit like that shit yo, Like like we were
talking about like women on top of the game right now.
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You ask some of the girls that sounds like on
top of the charts right now if they thought it
was gonna happen as quick as that shit happened for them.
Nobody ever saw music taking a turn that it's taken
right now. Right When did we ever see artist Glowrilla
when Partycause you get to see things happen so quickly. Yeah,
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Like so you got that and then and then on
top of that, not then you got artists like you know,
the bigger artists doing seventeen thousand first week, twenty three thousand,
and twenty two thousand first week in sales and shit
like that, Like nobody never saw music doing none of this,
Like we're looking at nuthers, like damn, these niggas doing
two hundred K, three hundred K, one hundred and fifty thousand.
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Now niggas is doing not even niggas is not even
doing a quarter of that. What do you want? What
do you think of the baby saying his comments? Manatory
Land is kind of saying there blackballed from um, honestly,
I've seen I've seen, um, I've seen Russ haven't taken hunting.
He basically He basically said, like you know, the snow
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such thing as being black balled if you eble to
put out your music and so, um, I don't Honestly,
I wish I could speak on it. I only like
when it comes to them shoes, I can't even say
how to feel because I probably if I was in
these shoes, I probably feel black balled too, you know. Um,
So I don't know. I feel like any artists, any
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artists who got like an input on that, you know,
it's that's all it is. It's an input because at
the end of the day, like you won't know until
you in them shoes. Yeah. Um. But yeah, though, I
feel like with the Tories situation, I feel like he
definitely getting black really yeah, I think. I mean I
can see the baby too. I can definitely see the
baby too. Where with baby, I don't feel like it's
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really a I don't feel like it's a black ball.
I feel like it's the world. The world just it's
it's the backlash yet what I'm saying, right, Yeah, Yeah,
Like like playlist or you know the And that's the
crazy part. See, that's something I really don't know about
because I never I never really made playlists, Like I'm
not all right, we don't have we don't have a
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playlist for the type of music that I'll make. You
get what I'm saying. The streaming services they'll put you
on playlists and when people are randomly listen, and so
I think that's what they're saying, right, But then Rust
was saying, well, your fans will find you whether or
not you're on a playlist. Yeah, and that's like, that's like, yeah,
your fans are find you, but your fans always your
fans also like your fans. You have fans, and then
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you have fans, and the fans are falling to the
category of them thinking just like the people who not fans,
because that's all that it be. The motherfucker's who'll be
who talks shit about you want to internet be haters,
and then the haters, and then the haters hypnotize the
fans because it's fans, and then it's fans. The haters
hypnotize the fans into thinking that it's fans. It's your
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fans who actually fans. That's talking shit about you, when
in reality is nothing but the hater being a hater. Hey,
you know what else? And you know what I'm gonna
say too about those playlists. Sometimes I discover music that
I wouldn't have discovered by listening to you. It's so crazy.
I don't make playlists. I don't if if somebody tells
me tu s, I'm gonna go search to see I'm not.
I've never been. I've never been like none of them
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show but it might be like a hip hop and
I and B playlist that songs randomly come up. I've
never been on ARM. I've never been on like like
the R and B. What's the name of that major R?
Like the R and B is none of that. They
don't discover music via playlist. Really, yeah, you're not, because
I know in the juice we put on a random
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playlist of like hip hop and R and B, and
sounds will come up and I'd be like, oh, I
mean my music though, like like not even just going
to look that shit up. My music has never been
on any of them playlists, so I never like really
knew I ain't. I never knew that the playlist and
actually affected that ship that much, like if playlist and
affected niggas numbers like that. Yeah, because you look for
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I Want Lie. That's a different type of like, that's
a different type of power. Do you think about not
even a person when you go to the gym, there's
always a playlist on the back. If you're in a
cab a lot of time, there's playlist on those songs.
Just keep going on rolling like all. It's like the Baby,
Like you were saying earlier, the thing with the baby,
there's always two types of fans, right, The fan's gonna
ride and die regardless, and then wants a hit. They yeah,
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on what type of record that's a fan? That's that's
that's fans because they see other fans with the baby.
If he doesn't have a hit because the playlists are
not playing him. Yeah, he's not spending his records radio
stations and I spending those records. He doesn't have that fan.
That's long definite, definitely, And because of that, that's kind
of being black ball because they're not giving his records
an opportunity. Also too, you do realize and I saw
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this that the day I'm reading it because I put
it on my phone then the stat that one percent
of all artists generate ninety percent of the screams. One
percent of all artists generate ninety percent of the scream
So if you're not in that one percent, are you
really being impacted that much by scream? But the baby
was probably in that one percent with all the records,
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probably at one point. Damn. So you're saying one percent,
it's a one percent of all artists generate ninety percent
of all screams. Shit, I already known. I don't even
know if it's a little baby. Yeah, no not when
you look at the top ten. A young boy no
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young boys YouTube, So young boy don't young boys YouTube YouTube,
don't lie. But he got a different type of fan. Absolutely, yeah,
young boys got a different like the means that they
neither like NBA young NBA young boy fans be like, yo,
I don't want lie, matter what crazy part, it'll probably
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never be another NBA young boy Like, don't matter no
matter one thing about it. Bro, I live, I live
in reality. Bro Get what I'm saying Like that shit
ain't no no joke. When they come to you and
be like we need you to do a young boy
doing on YouTube? You be like that that I can't.
It's over, bro, That's that's that's a young boy. It'll
never be another NBA young boy. And at a never
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like yeo, bro, some some things could be mimicked. That
shit there, you can't mimic that's he didn't even try
to strategize that. It just with organic. That's just him,
you know what I mean. So like, when you get
something like that that's special. Are you from upstate? Yeah?
Are you investing in up State a lot? Because up
State is a growing market when it comes to really
crazy part, Nah, I ain't. I haven't even dove into
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none of that yet, you know what I mean. But
you're looking to it because it's it's i mean the
rent prices up state to us shooting to the rule. Yeah,
property prices are great, and then some of these schools
and colleges around there that people need to place to stay. Definitely,
he's looking at you can buy some property, fool, not
too too bad. Yeah, we we we've been we've been
sitting and talking about that. That's something that's on our
bucket list. Now, what about putting we I know we
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had this discussion, but social media putting like your private
life on there, putting your girlfriend on there. Are you
gonna move differently now? Because yeah, I'm gonna keep a
private I mean, like it's just as simple as that,
like keep it off the internet because at the end,
I mean it might be a time where or or
a day where, you know, I might throw the fan
up there one time, but I don't know. I'm chilling
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right now. I'm strictly focused on the music and getting
this where it need to be. Are you happy? Yeah? Well,
which which part? Just in life? I mean, you're putting
out songs like heartache and lonely, you know, I'm like, um,
I don't want a lie to That's that's a hard
that's a hard question to answer, you know, like because
every day is different. Yeah, every day different. I don't
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walk around with my head down, but I definitely sometimes
I wish I was in a better position than what
I'm in. I feel like it's it's different things that
I could have I could have did, and I never
I never try to put the blame on nobody else,
you know, because every decision that I made is decision
that I made. Life is about options. So I mean,
at the end of the the day, I can't if if
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if I walk around with my head down, I'd be
walking around my head down because some shit that I did.
I mean, so I don't know. Life cool, But do
you beat yourself up from mistakes? You me? Hell no,
I don't know it's good. I don't do that at all.
But but I definitely say, like sometimes I sit and
be like damn, Like I wonder how shit would have
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went if I would have never did this, or I
would have never took this step. So but they all
everything that you did got you to this point now, everything,
like even if that's why I don't believe in good
or bad, I believe everything is just part of one
long process gets you the way you're supposed to be. Yeah, no,
it's a process. Like I mean, my brother always told
me to trust the process. So you know that's all
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I'm doing. I'm just trusting the process and putting in
the work. I mean, you gotta put it in the work.
The album comes out this Friday. Boy Boys Don't Cry. Yeah,
we want to be sad. If you want to be
sad and get a good cry, get too. C VP boys.
Don't you need that though? As we go through things
and like like I need to listen. I don't know
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about it. Need to be sad sometimes you should for what, man,
I only raining outside. It's raining outside, it's cold and
ship you know, man, we're here to talk about life.
And she got said some of the best albums that
I like those break up albums, you know. Yeah, not
like with Mary j Blige. We love you know, we
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used to love the Unfortunately she went through a lot
sad shite. Oh that's crazy, j Blie j Blige house.
I can never I can never be there. Many wake
up in the morning. Did you see that it was raining?
And just like stare nah hell nah, yo. See this
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is what I'm yo, this is what I'm saying. Man,
you know, as men, they just don't they expect us
to be so tough. Asked me that I look out
the window. I got up. I got up. I don't know.
It was hard for me to get out of bed.
I got up while you tired. I was tired as hell.
I don't why is this interview at eight in the morning,
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bro the breakfast club to y'all, So y'all don't do
no fucking interviews after breakfast? Then no, y'all switched to
the lunch club. Yeah January, Man, listen, this is I
don't lie. They say thirty. I say, y'all sure eight
thirty am welcome to the life of the artist to
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see and I'm sure you got more after this. I'm
here man, I mean hell, y'all do yeah, I got
like three three more interviews and then I gotta then
I gotta listening party too much, and then you gotta
talk about boys don't cry. It's clean up. It's clean
X sponsoring the listening about you know, yeah, man, he
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don't care about my fast Dude, I got your man.
Oh you found it. I was looking at it and
you know what I got two for you, yo, bro,
pull up your pants man, Yes, shit, that's the old
man ship man been crazy. We can't plumber like a man.
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Oh a matter of fact. James M Battle Cry by
Jason Wilson. What's this about? It's both about processing your
emotions the man. This is the unapologetic guy bought a
black man, oh black woman, and he steady about crying though.
J it's the breakfast club boy.
Wake that ass up in the morning. Breakfast Club Morning,
Everybody's DJ Envy and Ngelie E Charlemagne the guy. We
are to Breakfast Club. We got a special guest back
in the building. But welcome back. What's going on? You
got the new EP boys? Don't cry? Tell me about
that title, man, I mean, I don't know. I feel
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like as men, um, you know, our whole life, we
taught to be tough and I have emotions, you know,
I mean, with you some bullshit, by the way, it's
some bullshit. It definitely is. I just have I just
have my son though, So I feel like, you know,
me having my son kind of opened my eyes to that, Like,
you know, I wanted to feel like he could be
his own person. So, I mean that's the biggest thing.
That's that's where the title came from. When you get
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that mentality from, because most most dads, I'm sure your
dad's age or you raise your kid, fall down, I
get back up. Don't you cry? You hope them tiens.
Don't you cry to it? What made that? What had
that change to you as a as a father? Um?
I was raised by women, I mean, um, even raised
by a women. I was it's raised to be tough.
Um with him. I want him to be his own person.
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I mean, I don't. I don't want to fall into
the same light or the state, same same statistic that
everybody else selling into. So, I mean that's the biggest thing.
I don't know. I'm gonna give you a book before
you leave here about Jason Wilson cried, like a man,
just remind me to give it to you else. Somebody
else just told me that yesterday. Oh yeah, powerful, powerful book,
because I feel like all you're doing is raising a
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generation of sociopath when you tell a bunch of men
don't feel Yeah, they said, they said, they said the
book about like basically like emotional incarceration. That's right, yea, yeah,
I'm gonna check it out. I got it for you.
I got it. I got copies up here somewhere. Oh yeah,
I need it. How are you able to open up then,
like to even be in a relationship, Um, honestly, like
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when when it came to that, I don't know. I
just I just did it. It was you can't run
away from love. You heard that's something that that's gonna
follow you no matter where you go. Herd So I
don't know either. You will love quick like the first
sight type of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's ninth
grade with everything na na la. But I have my
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one person though, Yeah, I mean it's ninth grade that
I that's okay. Yeah, yes, it's ninth grade. Like I
knew who that was, who I wanted to do it.
I mean, so it's kind of like that. You still
feel like that's that's a rare thing to happen for
that and you would say that happened with you. Yeah,
my wife was fifteen or sixteen. Yeah, that's crazy. He've
been together twenty seven years, married twenty one, same thing
my wife for twenty four years. Yeah, not married as long,
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but matches twenty fourteen. They figured it out. Yeah, I
hope I get there. How do you get there? I said,
I hope I knew. Oh yeah, I mean you're going
through it now, and listen, it's gonna be ups and
it's gonna be downs, and you're gonna make mistakes and
she might get how y'all do ya do it? Now?
That's complicated question. I'm gonna get another book. Complicated question.
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That's always a question that I got from couples that
have been together that long. I always wanted to know
what it was that that kept them together, and usually
you get you get the same answers like patience, um
and things of that nature. So yeah, I mean that's
part of it. I think for myself. It's also you know,
when we first started going out, there was nothing there.
It was just loved. It wasn't about money, it wasn't
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about relationship, wasn't about going else. So we develop a
love that's outside of anything else. Like she's you know
when they call rid a die, she's really that person.
She's really when I have a problem, she's my best friend.
I can talk to her. We can have those uncomfortable
discussions and problems and situations. But also that was before
the money. That was before the money. That's it. That's
that I think when he said it, probably the most
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important thing. You gotta be really friends with a person.
And I think sometimes men we'd be more loyal to
our homies than we do all women. This thing we
will do to our guys, that will do to the
presion we go to sleep with that, you know every night. Yeah,
that's crazy to me. I don't lie, can't. I can't
do it because that and there. It's like, you know,
I mean, if this I date the mirror, you know,
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so if this is the person that I'm looking at, mirry,
It's like I can't sit and be like, I'm gonna
be more lower than my home was than I am.
The girl that's gonna be you know, the girl that's
gonna be my wife. I mean the Boby said it
your wife come before anything. I'm trying to find your
own words too, Like you got to know what your
definition of love is. Definitely, I mean, because I thought
I loved my wife back then. But if I loved
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her the way I thought I did, I wouldn't have
did some stuff that I did. You know what I mean?
So what you learned you listen? Yeah, man, listen, yo, listen.
I don't lie. It's like the world, the world, the
world won't understand some of that stuff though you give
what I'm saying, Like you know, you you you look
at it as you overcoming you know, something that you
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went through. I mean, the rest of the world might
look at it like, uh, you did that, you dare wrong?
So I don't know, it's you could be both two
things can be true. Yeah, two things definitely could be true.
Things could be true most deaf. Two things definitely could
be true. It's a little bit different when you and
the Slight though. Oh yeah, you're artists because you you're
trying out your superpowers. You've never been in this version.
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Oh god, what I'm saying, like we like Angela was
just talking about girls doing dick sucking contests and asking
men if they can be judges. That's what that didn't
happen before you. I ain't explain't say it's none of that.
I don't know none of that, none of that. Man,
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do you think that y'all have to go through something
in order for you to realize what you have? Yes,
sadly to question, I don't think so. I don't think so.
I feel like I feel like, um, I feel like
you can know what you I feel like you can
know what you what you got before you before like
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fucking up. I don't feel like you gotta fuck up
to know what you got Like I don't know. I
also don't think cheating got anything to do with the woman.
Cheating has to do with what we like in ourselves. Men.
It's yeah, you're trying to feed all ego. It's all intoget.
You know that's so crazy. That's that it's crazy that
you said, because like I always told myself, like I
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never needed more than one woman to strouke my ego.
I never needed that, you know. I mean, if I
had one one female that could stroke my ego and
just make me happy, I'd be cool with that. Like,
but I don't know, though, some shit you get some
niggas that that polygamy, you know what I mean? So
I think they just think they want that. And you
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remember when I called my dad cheating back in the day.
My dad said to me, oh, you only got one
girlfriend one day? You go understand. So when you planted
that seat in my head, yeah, I mean thinking like damn,
so I gotta have man like this. I gotta I
gotta do the shit he did. I don't. I don't.
I don't think like that. What does it mean when
you say to tweet a woman like a lady, but
effet like a hole? What is it? What does that mean? Like?
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How do you do that to somebody like that? Man?
You getting you get in the bedroom. You know, girls
want to be slatted out, man, you know what I mean?
You get in the bedroom with a girl shoul't want
to be treated like she a girl she wanna be
she wanna be fucked like you're gonna suck one of
them holes. How's that? Like, what's the difference like the holes?
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That's a trick question. That's no, that's a trick question.
Your girl ever say something like that. Don't answer that question. No, don't, don't,
don't even do nothing. But I don't lie too. It's
like like I don't know, Like it's like, it's like
treating a girl with respect outside of the bedroom. But
in the bedroom she wants. You know that the bedroom
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the only time you could disrespect the Girl's just like
when women say women say, women say, you gotta be
a lady in the streets of freaking the shore. It's
the same thing. That's all in the bedroom. That's the
only time one woman want to be disrespected. She want
to hear post, she want to be slapped, you want
she wants all the type of shit. Yeah, I mean
that's so, that's what it means. I mean, she don't
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so you'd be pulling hair, slapping, doing all that. Man,
we do, come on, do it back to you? No,
hell not? What the fuck? That's not that's not true.
Hell Na, that's not pulling your hair, pulling his hair.
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Ain't no one put nah. I have no hair pulling,
no slapping, no choking. I don't do nothing of that.
You won't get choked. I don't want to get choked.
I got blindfolded, blind for the hell Nah, are you
blind for the me? So you can use your other senses? Senses, man,
that's not what you want to Na. I'm not trying
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to tap into no other senses in the bedroom. I'm good.
I ain't spider Man. Talk about this song. Heard it
hits me. I'm not spider Man. You are trying to
shoot something number one. Listen, and it's so hard. As
you said, you've done taking my heart. Put it in
a bit of place. Let another break my heart. They
wish they could when inspired that UM like going through ship,
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going through hardships and relationships, you know, being in relationships
and getting put through things that you you know, never
been never been through before. Um. You know, and sometimes
you you you bumping the people and you know they
beginning girl sire tasting your mouth. You know what I'm saying.
Like I got I got an X I used to
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be with I don't. Well, I only got too. I
only been with two girls who for yeah her, Oh god, man,
I hate her. What did she do to you? Man?
She broke my motherfucker, she cheated on me. I was
like sixteen though. That shit hurt. Though, you know, you
get cheated like Nigga, get cheated on a high school
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and it's over. I don't like you fucking up for
life with that sh That is true. Yeah, you cheat
on me in high school? Right now? Do you want
to tell them all? I mean what my not telling me?
Hell he had a bad story about getting cheated. Yeah,
but I've been on my woman for twenty four years.
So that's what I mean when I say, you know,
whatever you expect of whatever, say, I want to buy
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whatever she expecting you. You gotta be willing to give
her what she forgives you. If she does something, you
gotta forgive her. No, I will lie forgate. I forgave
a few times, though, I don't want lie that shit.
That Nigga was good then she was a sucker for
red man, I don't want I don't even think it
was what dude, I can't remember I was. I was
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a young man, like so you didn't cheat, but she
only hell nah, she fucked me up. Yeah, she sucked
me up and I kept catching and you kept staying yeah,
hell yeah. I want a trust issues because of that situation.
Crazy part though, I don't even got trust issues because
I feel like I don't know, I just don't got
trust issues. I bet she wish she wouldn't now though
that she was trying. She was trying to throw a
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little quick little shots and say all the type of
ship like that. She said something on the internet the
other day she blew my mind. I forgot what she said.
She said something about, oh, nah, you know what it was.
I had gave my I had gave my girlfriend thirty
K for her birthday. Um, and like, I guess like
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the internet ain't like her that reaction, but she not
really no like over over over after Yeah, she's not
no overreactor. Like, so I gave her the thirty I
gave her thirty K, and shortly going internet, she like, uh,
she should have been me. If I would have got
the thirty K, I would have such a sub order.
Guess what never view you know how you know? Nah?
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She posted it on Facebook and it was public and
people started tagging me yea, yeah, she wanted you to
see that. She wanted me to see that. She wanted
your girl to see that. And then she was hoping
it will cause problems at home. Ain't no problems at home,
that's what that's that's what they want, many problems at home.
Ain't no. I ain't no trouble in paradise. Man. I
saw you kind of like we'll be going through ship.
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Of course all couples do. I let you get that,
But I saw you saying that, you know, you really
don't care for the fame aspect of it, right, So
when you say that, but why shows people stuff like that?
Why show them you giving your girl thirty thousand? I
want a lie? It was like that. So all of
that was before, like I had made that post um.
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I don't know, the fame become a lot, especially at
twenties two, and then on top of that, you know,
you signed these labels and shit like that. Ain't no
media training, it ain't no more fucking like, no, they don't.
They don't teach you how to how to how to talk,
and when you get into interviews with to say whatnot,
you don't do none of this ship or so you
coming into this ship and they're not supposed to because
(12:45):
that's kind of like taking away from who you are
as a person and as an artist. Yeah yeah, there's
things that could get you in trouble, things that you
most definitely that you could get you canceled. Now, So yeah, right,
if they could guide you. I mean, we're a platform.
If you say something that's gonna get you cancel, that's
gonna get you in trouble, locked up, we're gonna tell you.
I think it might work here. I don't think it
works with social media because when you at home and
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you got in your phone right there you're typing, it's over.
Like so you if you were on social media and
you type, and you sit and type some shit like
oh no the world and in the world, don't it
they go best? But like, um yeah, like I don't know, so,
like I guess like it was kind of like one
of the moments where it's like damn, Like if I
was famous, this never would have been an issue. I mean,
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and they people flipped it and made it seem as
if like it was a thing of um me blaming
the fans for for for whatever happened. But like Honestly,
it wasn't even that. It was just a matter of
like me staying here, Like yo, if if I was
never famous, because my music used to be like important
to me, like it used to be just for me.
I used to which it still is important, but it
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used to be just a thing for me. It used
to be sacred to me. I mean, but I don't know,
I started dropping the music and you know, I'm I'm
more so doing things for the fans now, So I
don't know, it's more so like you know, if I,
if I never was famous, this never have been a problem.
That's That's a great conversation, right because that that is
that impact your creative process because you're thinking about what
the Internet's gonna think or what people are going to think,
instead of just going to make the music you want
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to make. Honestly, I feel like me and my me
and my fans got such a such a good connection
that when I go in there and I record, it's
not really like it's like it's almost like I'm recording
for myself because we got the same thought process. To
be a fan of me, you like the things that
I like. Um, So I don't know, we got to
we kind of got the same thought process. And even
(14:30):
it'll be times where I get our Instagram live and
make songs with the fans and let them like have
an input on the songs and what's what we're gonna
title the song and what we're gonna talk about in
the song, like things of that nature. So it's kind
of hard to miss when you're doing that. Do so
do you think that people feel like because a lot
of times with your music, because it is, like you said,
very personal and sacred, people really feel like they know
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you and they feel like they know exactly what you're
talking about. You might have a song that you did
two years ago and you put it out now and
they feel like it's something that's happening to you now. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah,
that's that's that's the hard part about everything. You know.
They feel like every song that you make is a
subject of what's going on today today's world, when in reality,
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this shit could have happened thirty years ago. Well, boys
don't cry with this ep um for these songs? Are
these all current songs? Like that's going like, is this
something that we should take as this is something that's
happening to you now? Um? Yeah, yeah, for the most part.
And if it ain't my story, it's somebody else story,
you know what I mean, Because I'll tend to do
that a lot too, Like I might I might make
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a song about you know, some real life situations that's
going on right now, but there might not be something
that's happened to me. It might be my homeboy that's
going through it and not just I just so happen
to see it. So yeah, it could be that too.
Now you're also going on to a road wave and
with a riot of scientists. Ye so, um, how did
that to our come together? Man? Honestly, Um, we got
(15:55):
the same book and age. So being that we got
the same booking age and shot out the mac agency,
we got the same book and agent, it came time
for him to go on tour and my name just
got throwing that bucket of you know, people we wanted
to bring on tour, so you know, they made it
heaven And now we're going on tour. This is probably
gonna be the fucking saddest tour. Like I see the comments,
(16:17):
because I see the comments that should have they like, yo,
I'm gonna be in crying and oh my god, it think, yeah,
I think so like I think people enjoy being sad nowadays.
I don't know why. I think people enjoy processing their
emotions because for so long we haven't been allowed to,
especially men. That's what I think now. I did ass
(16:37):
like sad like when I started seeing the tweets. So
I sat and I like, I'm like, damn, let me
dive into the music like it really see what the
hell going out? I started listening to though fucking marioders, scientists,
spread thin and like that, and then you then you
go to rid wave catalog and he got anything he got.
Then I start diving back into my own shout I
say dead, last song of it is, last song? Yeah,
(17:01):
sh like that, man, I don't lie. I see, damn,
this ship going to be sad, like somebody got somebody
got to come up with this bitship and turn this
ship up a little bit or something. Man. But in
a way, you know what you're doing because you put
out a lot of songs. And he's like, I'm taking
a break from social media. Come on, now, you always
know what you're doing. I mean, I feel like you
didn't really take a break from social media. Ain't taking man? Listen, man,
(17:26):
I don't lie one thing about the dope. Man. I
swear I didn't give up on everything that life, like
when it sports, school, relationships, like just I don't lie
like my whole I wouldn't say I've been a quitter,
but like I've been a quitter. You get what I'm saying.
Music something that I could never quit. I could never
(17:47):
give up. You think you was a quitter or just
a runner? I was a runner. Yeah, I definitely ran
with Timesard, So I definitely say I was a running
But that's something you know, acknowledging it would be the
first step. Ever since then, I've kind of been working
on it, trying not to run away from my situations
uh as much. And like even you know, even even
(18:10):
you know when I when I first got into you know,
situations and shit like that, My my first start will
always beat up. All right, I'm out, Like if we're
not fit to do this, Like you want to leave,
you be leave, I'm because I'm gonna leave what we do.
But like acknowledging that should be the first step. And
it's like damn, like what you're gonna run away from
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anything you go through? And more importantly, and you learn
this in therapy. You can't run away from yourself. No,
you can't. So you gotta do whatever internal issues you got,
you got to deal with them because you can not
run away from yourself. You gotta deal with it. You
go to therapy. Yeah, once a week. Hell yeah, feel
about five six years man? You know I used to
I used to have a therapist, like you know, when
(18:51):
you're when you're when your people get a divorce and
shit like that, they make you go to council. Yeah yeah, yeah,
like I used to have a therapist for that, and
then I stopped seeing them. I mean, that might be
another reason to nigga make all this sad ass music.
Therapy is gonna make you mix out word up. My
whole life telling you that therapy. My whole life been
(19:14):
nothing but shit, just going through shiitard. So all right,
unpacking now. I don't wait till I waited until I
was like thirty five, thirty six years old. Do it now,
so you got you got less years to unpack. Imagine
trying to unpack twenty five years of trauma. Yeah nah
on a lot of shit. Yeah, that's a lot, twenty
five years of trauma, A lot shit. I'm fighting more
(19:35):
fucking eighteen years of trauma. When you when you did
take a break form music because you said that's something
that you would never run from. Yeah, um, when you
still a lot of crazy. I never takes putting out
like a whole project. Oh yeah, I don't took longer
breaks than that, Like I ain't. I ain't put out
on a project. But I didn't took the longer, longer
(19:56):
break than what I took this year, like because I
was still dropping singles. I don't want eight months without
dropping nothing. Like, So what did you do? Were you
still working during that time? Yeah? Yeah, the old man
over there had me. Uh, he had me, and he
had me in the studio recording. We were just recording
a bunch of music. I ain't have a catalog, that
was the problem. I ain't have no music in the
(20:18):
stashum and some some of my my greatest records came
out of that. So like, I definitely appreciate that, But yeah,
I was. I was just recording. You talk about the trauma,
So so your new therapy, I guess, or your therapy
is doing all these records. Then, yeah, that was the
best thing putting you in the studio. Yeah, putting me
in the studio was like, yo, music was like the
best thing that ever happened to me. You get what
(20:39):
I'm saying, like only changed my life, and then on
top of me changing my life, on top of it
changed my life and opened my eyes to know who
I truly am and what I'm here for. You know,
like my my whole life been a plot twist, Like
ain't nobody ever expect for me to become who I
am today? And people don't expect for me to become
what I'm gonna become. Like I genuinely could look body
(21:00):
in their eyes and tell them like it's not the
end for me, like it's it's something way bigger than
what people seeing right now. It's just hard for me
to speak on it because every artist to get up
here and say that they're gonna be something bigger than
what they is today, and some is, but some'm not,
you know, I mean, Some'm not gonna make it farther
than this interview. Or when it comes to me like
I'm here to stay, like my name is something that's
(21:22):
gonna stay afloat no matter what. It's nothing nobody ever
could do to change that. But you know when God
calls you. It's not a conference calls. We ain't for
everybody anyway. Man, listen, there ain't no conference call at
all telling everybody. This ain't those zoom like. I mean,
you can't look into this one. And I feel like
the good thing for you is things have been also
getting bigger every single time, and the momentum is building
(21:43):
instead of you coming out with a crazy momentum and
then going away, it's still getting high. I'm gonna tell
you what's so crazy though, like, um, where you and
and this is for like all the artists that's out
there right now, don't fall too too deep into the politics.
Like when you started to pour too deep into the
politics and the numbers and you stopped having fun with
it and then started to feel like a job and
(22:05):
shit like that's it started to feel crazy. I try,
I tell, I tell the people that's around me all
the time, like, um, we got to get back to
having fun with it, because it definitely was a time
where I started to put out my you know, uh
ceo suit I guess you would say, in a sense,
and started digging too deep into things that really don't
(22:25):
matter for me. It mattered for me, but I ain't
supposed to be handling it, So I started paying attention
to the numbers like I never used to pay attention
to numbers at all. If the song did good, it
just did good because at the end of the day,
the numbers, the numbers be with the numbers be. But
it's always somebody out there that's going to relate to
your shit more than the next person. And that's what
(22:45):
keep our artists going for it, for it's not about
the fucking first week numbers and all that other bullshit
that people try to make this ship seem like it's about.
It's not about it's not about these deals that's getting
signed and like, because all that should be cool, But
at the end of the day, like when you haven't
fun with the music, all that shit don't come. You
get what I'm saying. So I don't I want a lie,
Like to the artists that's out there, man, don't fall
(23:06):
too deep into the numbers. Don't fall into first week numbers,
second week numbers, billboards and all types of dumb shit
like that, because half of the motherfucker's that sounds billboards
ain't never think they probably was ever gonna get no billboard.
You get what I'm saying, Like that should be some
sporadic shit like that shit yo, Like like we were
talking about like women on top of the game right now.
(23:28):
You ask some of the girls that sounds like on
top of the charts right now if they thought it
was gonna happen as quick as that shit happened for them.
Nobody ever saw music taking a turn that it's taken
right now. Right When did we ever see artist Glowrilla
when Partycause you get to see things happen so quickly. Yeah,
(23:50):
Like so you got that and then and then on
top of that, not then you got artists like you know,
the bigger artists doing seventeen thousand first week, twenty three thousand,
and twenty two thousand first week in sales and shit
like that, Like nobody never saw music doing none of this,
Like we're looking at nuthers, like damn, these niggas doing
two hundred K, three hundred K, one hundred and fifty thousand.
(24:13):
Now niggas is doing not even niggas is not even
doing a quarter of that. What do you want? What
do you think of the baby saying his comments? Manatory
Land is kind of saying there blackballed from um, honestly,
I've seen I've seen, um, I've seen Russ haven't taken hunting.
He basically He basically said, like you know, the snow
(24:33):
such thing as being black balled if you eble to
put out your music and so, um, I don't Honestly,
I wish I could speak on it. I only like
when it comes to them shoes, I can't even say
how to feel because I probably if I was in
these shoes, I probably feel black balled too, you know. Um,
So I don't know. I feel like any artists, any
(24:53):
artists who got like an input on that, you know,
it's that's all it is. It's an input because at
the end of the day, like you won't know until
you in them shoes. Yeah. Um. But yeah, though, I
feel like with the Tories situation, I feel like he
definitely getting black really yeah, I think. I mean I
can see the baby too. I can definitely see the
baby too. Where with baby, I don't feel like it's
(25:18):
really a I don't feel like it's a black ball.
I feel like it's the world. The world just it's
it's the backlash yet what I'm saying, right, Yeah, Yeah,
Like like playlist or you know the And that's the
crazy part. See, that's something I really don't know about
because I never I never really made playlists, Like I'm
not all right, we don't have we don't have a
(25:40):
playlist for the type of music that I'll make. You
get what I'm saying. The streaming services they'll put you
on playlists and when people are randomly listen, and so
I think that's what they're saying, right, But then Rust
was saying, well, your fans will find you whether or
not you're on a playlist. Yeah, and that's like, that's like, yeah,
your fans are find you, but your fans always your
fans also like your fans. You have fans, and then
(26:01):
you have fans, and the fans are falling to the
category of them thinking just like the people who not fans,
because that's all that it be. The motherfucker's who'll be
who talks shit about you want to internet be haters,
and then the haters, and then the haters hypnotize the
fans because it's fans, and then it's fans. The haters
hypnotize the fans into thinking that it's fans. It's your
(26:23):
fans who actually fans. That's talking shit about you, when
in reality is nothing but the hater being a hater. Hey,
you know what else? And you know what I'm gonna
say too about those playlists. Sometimes I discover music that
I wouldn't have discovered by listening to you. It's so crazy.
I don't make playlists. I don't if if somebody tells
me tu s, I'm gonna go search to see I'm not.
I've never been. I've never been like none of them
(26:45):
show but it might be like a hip hop and
I and B playlist that songs randomly come up. I've
never been on ARM. I've never been on like like
the R and B. What's the name of that major R?
Like the R and B is none of that. They
don't discover music via playlist. Really, yeah, you're not, because
I know in the juice we put on a random
(27:05):
playlist of like hip hop and R and B, and
sounds will come up and I'd be like, oh, I
mean my music though, like like not even just going
to look that shit up. My music has never been
on any of them playlists, so I never like really
knew I ain't. I never knew that the playlist and
actually affected that ship that much, like if playlist and
affected niggas numbers like that. Yeah, because you look for
(27:28):
I Want Lie. That's a different type of like, that's
a different type of power. Do you think about not
even a person when you go to the gym, there's
always a playlist on the back. If you're in a
cab a lot of time, there's playlist on those songs.
Just keep going on rolling like all. It's like the Baby,
Like you were saying earlier, the thing with the baby,
there's always two types of fans, right, The fan's gonna
ride and die regardless, and then wants a hit. They yeah,
(27:51):
on what type of record that's a fan? That's that's
that's fans because they see other fans with the baby.
If he doesn't have a hit because the playlists are
not playing him. Yeah, he's not spending his records radio
stations and I spending those records. He doesn't have that fan.
That's long definite, definitely, And because of that, that's kind
of being black ball because they're not giving his records
an opportunity. Also too, you do realize and I saw
(28:11):
this that the day I'm reading it because I put
it on my phone then the stat that one percent
of all artists generate ninety percent of the screams. One
percent of all artists generate ninety percent of the scream
So if you're not in that one percent, are you
really being impacted that much by scream? But the baby
was probably in that one percent with all the records,
(28:31):
probably at one point. Damn. So you're saying one percent,
it's a one percent of all artists generate ninety percent
of all screams. Shit, I already known. I don't even
know if it's a little baby. Yeah, no not when
you look at the top ten. A young boy no
(28:52):
young boys YouTube, So young boy don't young boys YouTube YouTube,
don't lie. But he got a different type of fan. Absolutely, yeah,
young boys got a different like the means that they
neither like NBA young NBA young boy fans be like, yo,
I don't want lie, matter what crazy part, it'll probably
(29:12):
never be another NBA young boy Like, don't matter no
matter one thing about it. Bro, I live, I live
in reality. Bro Get what I'm saying Like that shit
ain't no no joke. When they come to you and
be like we need you to do a young boy
doing on YouTube? You be like that that I can't.
It's over, bro, That's that's that's a young boy. It'll
never be another NBA young boy. And at a never
(29:33):
like yeo, bro, some some things could be mimicked. That
shit there, you can't mimic that's he didn't even try
to strategize that. It just with organic. That's just him,
you know what I mean. So like, when you get
something like that that's special. Are you from upstate? Yeah?
Are you investing in up State a lot? Because up
State is a growing market when it comes to really
crazy part, Nah, I ain't. I haven't even dove into
(29:54):
none of that yet, you know what I mean. But
you're looking to it because it's it's i mean the
rent prices up state to us shooting to the rule. Yeah,
property prices are great, and then some of these schools
and colleges around there that people need to place to stay. Definitely,
he's looking at you can buy some property, fool, not
too too bad. Yeah, we we we've been we've been
sitting and talking about that. That's something that's on our
bucket list. Now, what about putting we I know we
(30:15):
had this discussion, but social media putting like your private
life on there, putting your girlfriend on there. Are you
gonna move differently now? Because yeah, I'm gonna keep a
private I mean, like it's just as simple as that,
like keep it off the internet because at the end,
I mean it might be a time where or or
a day where, you know, I might throw the fan
up there one time, but I don't know. I'm chilling
(30:38):
right now. I'm strictly focused on the music and getting
this where it need to be. Are you happy? Yeah? Well,
which which part? Just in life? I mean, you're putting
out songs like heartache and lonely, you know, I'm like, um,
I don't want a lie to That's that's a hard
that's a hard question to answer, you know, like because
every day is different. Yeah, every day different. I don't
(31:00):
walk around with my head down, but I definitely sometimes
I wish I was in a better position than what
I'm in. I feel like it's it's different things that
I could have I could have did, and I never
I never try to put the blame on nobody else,
you know, because every decision that I made is decision
that I made. Life is about options. So I mean,
at the end of the the day, I can't if if
(31:21):
if I walk around with my head down, I'd be
walking around my head down because some shit that I did.
I mean, so I don't know. Life cool, But do
you beat yourself up from mistakes? You me? Hell no,
I don't know it's good. I don't do that at all.
But but I definitely say, like sometimes I sit and
be like damn, Like I wonder how shit would have
(31:42):
went if I would have never did this, or I
would have never took this step. So but they all
everything that you did got you to this point now, everything,
like even if that's why I don't believe in good
or bad, I believe everything is just part of one
long process gets you the way you're supposed to be. Yeah, no,
it's a process. Like I mean, my brother always told
me to trust the process. So you know that's all
(32:03):
I'm doing. I'm just trusting the process and putting in
the work. I mean, you gotta put it in the work.
The album comes out this Friday. Boy Boys Don't Cry. Yeah,
we want to be sad. If you want to be
sad and get a good cry, get too. C VP boys.
Don't you need that though? As we go through things
and like like I need to listen. I don't know
(32:24):
about it. Need to be sad sometimes you should for what, man,
I only raining outside. It's raining outside, it's cold and
ship you know, man, we're here to talk about life.
And she got said some of the best albums that
I like those break up albums, you know. Yeah, not
like with Mary j Blige. We love you know, we
(32:45):
used to love the Unfortunately she went through a lot
sad shite. Oh that's crazy, j Blie j Blige house.
I can never I can never be there. Many wake
up in the morning. Did you see that it was raining?
And just like stare nah hell nah, yo. See this
(33:08):
is what I'm yo, this is what I'm saying. Man,
you know, as men, they just don't they expect us
to be so tough. Asked me that I look out
the window. I got up. I got up. I don't know.
It was hard for me to get out of bed.
I got up while you tired. I was tired as hell.
I don't why is this interview at eight in the morning,
(33:29):
bro the breakfast club to y'all, So y'all don't do
no fucking interviews after breakfast? Then no, y'all switched to
the lunch club. Yeah January, Man, listen, this is I
don't lie. They say thirty. I say, y'all sure eight
thirty am welcome to the life of the artist to
(33:50):
see and I'm sure you got more after this. I'm
here man, I mean hell, y'all do yeah, I got
like three three more interviews and then I gotta then
I gotta listening party too much, and then you gotta
talk about boys don't cry. It's clean up. It's clean
X sponsoring the listening about you know, yeah, man, he
(34:10):
don't care about my fast Dude, I got your man.
Oh you found it. I was looking at it and
you know what I got two for you, yo, bro,
pull up your pants man, Yes, shit, that's the old
man ship man been crazy. We can't plumber like a man.
(34:31):
Oh a matter of fact. James M Battle Cry by
Jason Wilson. What's this about? It's both about processing your
emotions the man. This is the unapologetic guy bought a
black man, oh black woman, and he steady about crying though.
J it's the breakfast club boy.
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