May 11, 2021 • 40 mins
The Jaguars are making a mistake bringing in Tim Tebow
The game Russell Westbrook broke the triple double record was on brand
The repercussions of the Packers possibly losing Aaron Rodgers
Guest: Greg Jennings
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in beautiful Los Angeles. It's the Hurt. Wherever you may be,
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f S one. Joy Taylor returns today. So fitting that
Joy is back her brother, of course, the Hall of
Fame football player, Joy understands what NFL locker rooms are
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all about. Your brother, of course, played for Nick Saban,
best college coach ever, who did not work in the
NFL for a variety of reasons. He didn't quite get
the sensibility, the temperature of the room in an NFL
locker room. Right, that fair, It's two different businesses and
two different sports. We often pushed them together and they've
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gotten much closer over the years. But yeah, it's a
big difference coaching young men and adults with mortgages and
children of their own and that often make more than
you the coach, yes, and have a union, a players union.
And so there's a television show out there. I just
started binge washing. It's quite adorable. That's a keyword here.
It's optimistic, it's corny, but it's hopeful. It's called ted Lasso.
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It's really quite good as a TV show where a
small Southern football coach Division two school wins and I mean,
it is beyond corny, but you suspend belief because you
know it's not true. And the character is so infinitely
likable that he gets hired by a devious owner of
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an English Premier League team. She's a great actress to
coach an English Premier League team, and he's never watched
a soccer game. Again, it's not realistic, but it works
as a TV show. It doesn't work in real life.
Urban Meyer thinks ted Lasso, and maybe that's because he's
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watching the show and he likes it like me. He
thinks he's going to bring a tight end that hasn't
played for eight years. Oh my bad. Tim Tebow's never
played tight end. He's a quarterback, and I'm gonna do
a ted Lasso impression. Here. If you think Tim Tebow
tight end to Jacksonville works, you think Ted Lasso would
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walk into that locker room. Well, boys, boys, we gotta
we gotta. Guys. Been out of the league eight years,
maybe nine out lost camp. He used to be a quarterback.
It wasn't very good at that. He's a tight end.
He'd never done that, and he is gonna set the
culture in here. He gonna show us boys how to win.
Oh God, it's cringey. Tim tebo is now at six two.
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There are no tight ends at six two, six four
is considered small at tight end, is going to put
his hand in the dirt and going to block a
young man who is a pass rusher that weighs twenty
five pounds more and wants to put food on his
table because he's got a new baby girl and he's
been cut by two NFL teams and he wants to
kick Tebow's ass because he doesn't buy his nonsense anyway,
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because that defensive end would never have gotten a shot
at baseball. He would never have been drafted in the
first round. And he's putting food on the table for
his baby daughter. And you think Tim Tebow's gonna put
a hand in the dirt and block him. All that
is so cute, This is awful. It's so collegiate, folks.
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Rudy is a true story about a walk on in college.
Hoosiers is about Indiana high school basketball. This is the NFL.
People wonder if Kyle Pitts, the new prototype at tied End,
can block. He's six five and runs a four four,
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and they will demand he blocks Tim six two. He
ran a four seven forty eight nine years ago. He's
never been as athletic as everybody hopes. And he's a
good person, and he's corny and optimistic and hopeful. He
is ted Lasso. And I liked Tim, and I've met
his brother, bumped into him on vacation. I've said before
I'd put Tim somewhere on a roster, maybe like seven
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years ago. But this isn't gonna sell. We know I
liked Urban, I know Urban. I've known Urban forever. I've
been saying nice things about Urban. Today is not one
of those days. Okay, we all know Urban is smart
and can coach good Broadcaster two, the question was Oways,
does he understand the sense ability of the blocker room?
Saban really didn't and Saban is sharp and Urban sharp.
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But when Urban tried to muscle through a strength coach
from Iowa who had just been fired for abusive behavior
to athletes and some racially insensitive stuff as a little
bit of red flags like Urban that that I'm not
gonna work here, and that lasted about a day. It's like,
you can't treat NFL players like that. They'll deck him. Okay,
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you can't sell Tim Tebow out of the league eight
years as a tight end. Now, maybe he's trying to
get invested, get his pension or something like that. I mean,
maybe that's it. But even then, you're taking somebody else's job.
A head coach told me, called me this morning, he's
does does Tebo understand what it's like to block a
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defensive ende? Does he own a mouthpiece? Come on again, Hoosiers,
Rudy ted Lasso. I loved all of them. I loved
all of them, but their TV shows or their movies.
And the reason you allow ted Lasso to I mean,
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by the way, this shows you how unrealistic it is.
It's shot in London. They say the first three episodes
it never rains, it's sunny every day. Well, that tells
you right there. It's not made in England, or they
picked the two days of the year, it doesn't rain
in England, or is not cloudy, but you suspend belief
because you liked the story and it's hopeful and so
is or so is Tebow. That's why everybody fell in
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love with Tebow. We knew we couldn't throw. He wasn't
that athletic, but he was an easy guy to root for.
Right in America, everything so negative and cynical, and Tebow
was like Ted Lasso. He was so optimistic and so
hopeful and chasing his dream. He was impossible for a
lot of people not to root for. He put his
religion out there. He was just the He was like
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you know, players said, he's the guy you want your
daughter to marry. So nice, but he didn't work at
quarterback and a baseball where he was a great high
school player with both and a great college player in football. Folks,
some times I think it borders on disrespectful. I really do.
I think you're gonna try to take food off the
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table from defensive ends. Somebody's losing a roster spot because
of this man. It feels like an eye roll to
me and I don't want to be negative here. I'm
mister you know, Uncle Colin is mister positivity glass half full.
But boy, this just doesn't feel right. This feels like
the strength coach with a nicer guy. It feels like
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a complete eye roll by NFL people when I have
coaches calling me this morning and going the hell sorry
using that word in a t boat ramp, but I mean,
it's just it's not gonna work, all right, So all right.
I remember when the late Kobe Bryant scored sixty points
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in his last game and he set a record for
the most shots ever taken in the game. And I
worked with somebody at the time and he hated it.
That's not how you ended, And I argued, no, that's
that's exactly how it should end. For Kobe Bryant. Kobe
Bryant was authentic to himself. Kobe Bryant. Laker fans would
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tell you he often shot too much, But Kobe Bryant
setting an NBA record on his last game shooting the
most shots ever and dropping sixty was perfect. Kobe was
a performer, an entertainer, closest thing we've seen to Jordan,
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and it worked for me. I thought, that's authentic, that
that's who Kobe. Had Kobe come out and set a
record for assists, he'd be like, that's not who Kobe is.
Russell Westbrook did something last night. Now I didn't try
to do it like Kobe, but it was a perfect,
perfect night that symbolizes Russell Westbrook. Russell Westbrook is insanely athletic,
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top five athlete league history, wildly fun, polarizing, and last
night he set the all time NBA record for triple doubles.
And at the end of the game, with plenty of time,
he took a three pointer and missed. It was not
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great judgment. He had time to drive and draw a foul.
He's good at that, and he missed a three pointer.
Of course he did. Here's the end of the game.
It's so fitting. The Wizards are gonna go with it.
Here comes Westbrook. Four seconds. Westbrook puts up the three,
no good, and Atlanta's gonna win it by one. Tough
right there, got a clean look off. Russell Westbrook came
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up Shore on a night when he makes history. He
keeps that ball. But the Wizards in a one point game. Again,
of course he kept the ball. He once set it.
It's his best friend. That's how he should set the record.
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And this is not a criticism of him. When Jameis
Winston his last pass as a buccaneer was a pick six,
you're like, oh, that's kind of what it should be.
Russell Westbrook gave you both facets of his game last night.
His utter brilliance, his unmistakable athletic ability, his brilliant talent
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carved through years of focus and determination. You got that.
And he missed a three pointer badly when he should
have driven, gotten fouled and headed to the line. You
get that. He's won seven playoff games since he and
Kad got a divorce, and that's with James Harden and
Paul George to two different stops. He is one of
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the most unique players ever. People say Iverson, I think
he's more athletic than Iverson. I think he's stronger than Iverson.
I think he's more vertical than Iverson. He may not
be as fast, I'm not sure anybody's ever been as
fast as Iverson. But you got a little of both yesterday.
In fact, he got a lot of both. Can't really
shoot judgment sometimes we don't love but he now holds
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an NBA record one that means a lot to him,
not much to most. I'm not really a trouble double guy,
but it means a lot to Westbrook. Poll most basketball fans,
it doesn't mean a lot to them, but that too,
has always been Westbrook. He's a little different, he's contrarian,
he's unique, and now fittingly he's a record holder. All right,
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So Davantae Adams, the Green Bay Packers came in our
show yesterday and he's really good. We even lost him
for a while technology came back. He was good the
second time, but apparently it got a lot of play
what he said, and I want to go back to
one thing he said. And I just don't quite know
if Green Bay understands the dominoes that could fall if
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they don't clean up this Aaron Rodgers situation. Be sure
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I know lawnmoors. I got lawn now, I moved. I
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I made money. So Davante Adams was on our show yesterday.
Thank god the NFL network credited us with the actual interview.
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Somebody didn't. Nonetheless, I am not bitter. I do not
hold grudges. Davante was great. Great to have him. I'd
love to have him on again. So we talked about
I asked them some questions about what if Aaron leaves,
what are you doing? You're a free agent in a year,
and Davante Adams said this. When I first got it, Um,
I was I was actually on the golf course. I'm
trying to enjoy myself, a couple of bruskies out there,
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so it was this, it's a good day, and then
I hear that and it kind of sways it. Obviously,
I don't really know what the thing. Hadn't really spoke
to him, so, um, you know, it wasn't the best
news to receive while I'm out there trying to have
a good time, But you know, it scared me a
little bit. But if Aaron moved on, you have such
an incredible working relationship with him, what it affect your
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future in Green Bay? Potentially? Potentially? I mean, that's my guy.
That's the only guy that I've had, you know, other
than that twenty seventeen season when he got hurts. It's
the only guy that I played with him. You know,
we built up a special connection over the years that
has made it, you know, put us both in really
good positions in our career. It would change a lot, man,
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you know, doesn't mean potentially I'd be gone, but um,
you know, I definitely to do some extra thinking if
my guy wasn't here. Yeah, you don't want to lose him.
He may be the best receiver in the league. In
the Last Dance, the Michael Jordan documentary, it was really
a cautionary tale on don't tick off your superstar. As
Joy has said often, not many him around, take care
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of him. General manager Jerry Krause of the Bulls didn't
want Phil Jackson back, but that didn't mean he lost
just Phil Jackson, because Michael said, I will not play
without Phil Jackson. So you'll lose the best coach and
the best player and then Scottie Pippen, Rodman, Steve Kerr
Bolt and now your best player is Tony Kuko Cha
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Finesse European who won best sixth man in the league.
That's your franchise player. You lose Aaron Rodgers number one,
your Jordan Love pick is going to be exposed. Gonna
be a bad day for Brian Gudencon's the jam. You're
gonna lose the locker room. You can lose Davante Adams.
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By the way, you've never been a place that can
get free agents anyway. Yeah, you're done. Get nos. You
struggle to get him with far of an Aaron Rodgers, folks.
The Chicago Bulls have never recovered. And that's a wealthy
franchise with an owner willing to pull the trigger on
big moves. And by the way, it's a very attractive city.
I'm going there this weekend. They've never won more than
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fifty games one time twenty three years. That's it. The
Chicago Bulls have never recovered Green Bay. Do you understand
how the dominoes work? And I've worked in corporate America
for god ever, let's start with that ever, And you
know I've had a pleasant experience every place I've been.
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But I'll tell you something almost as a rule, executives
sometimes don't see around corners, and you think one move
stands on its own, And it is incredible in my
career doing this, how often one move becomes two, becomes three,
becomes four. You lose Aaron Rodgers. You better have a
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backup plan. You better be trading with somebody with a
quarterback minimum Derek Carr, because you bring Teddy Bridgewater in.
Nice guy, but they don't play the same. So there
there are. You lose a Jordan, You lose an Aaron Rodgers.
There is such a waterfall effect of just people moving
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on agents like don't play. Why would an agent want
one of his receivers to go to Green Bay? Your
catches are gonna go down. That's what I always said
about that, the Tim Tebow fascination. I was always like,
wide receivers are never gonna want to play. In Denver,
they had de Marius Thomas and Eric Decker. Their numbers plummeted.
Tebow's gone, Peyton Manning comes in. Now they're all pros.
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Now they're getting I mean, the bottom line is you
lose Aaron and Jordan loves stinks if he does. And
by the way their GM said this past you know week,
he's a long way off what free agent wants their
career to end in the smallest city. So it is
Davante Adams. You're not gonna You're not gonna get another
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Davante Adams. Like he's a he's a he's a Hall
of Famer. He's maybe the best red zone receiver in
the NFL. Like, there's not a lot of him on
the conveyor belt like those Jason Taylor's. Davantae Adams. Just
don't Khalil max. You don't get a lot of chance.
Khalil Mack is a once in a decade rush End.
Giants have never gotten a Lawrence Taylor. Bulls have never
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gotten anything close to Michael Jordan. Zach Levine. That's Michael Jordan.
That's about as close as they've had joy with the news. No, no,
this is the herd line news. Well, you know this
all works out swimmingly for the Packers of Jordan Love
is their third first ballot Hall of Fame quarterback in
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a row. No, if he could play all the stuff
solved tomorrow, we don't know if he can play and
ban GM Brian Goodenos spoke at this year's draft about
the possibility of Jordan's love jumping into the driver's seat. Well,
obviously we think the world of Jordan and where he's
going to go and develop. UM, I think it's pretty
early to kind of, you know, um to kind of
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be able to tell you that, because obviously with no
preseason game last year, but um preseason games last year
and then just the kind of the no spring. But
we have a lot of confidence and his talents and
his work ethic and where he's going to go. But
it's a little early for that. M you better because
this was your decision and you're trying to do it forever.
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Quite ruffling of feathers. Yes, so this is this is
an echoing explanation of what we're hearing about love. Here's
what concerns me about the situation. I did not like
to pick to begin with. You were in the NFC
Championship game. Of all the positions of need you needed
in the first round, it was not quarterback, and it's
not like love fell to them and he was this
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highly touted prospect You trade it up to get him.
That sends a message, No, matter what position it is.
But the quarterback was the last position that you needed.
And I've talked a lot of people about and they're like, oh,
but Aaron Rodgers, his numbers were slipping, slipping. He just
won the MVP, so he obviously still had that in him.
Whatever happened with the NFC Championship game with the Packers
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last year was not on Aaron Rodgers. Like, I think
we can all safely say that's the position that we're
the most sure about with the Green Bay Packers. So
you made this move. Send a message to Aaron Rodgers,
send a message to your fan base that you are
now building towards the future when you are already in
the presence competing to make it to the super Bowl.
So you better be sure he's the guy. Yeah, it's
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it's gonna be mocked, even if he's really good. Yes,
he asked me a first Melthall of namer Like, even
if he was you'd be like, I guess you'd tolerated.
If he was justin Herbert, you'd be like, Okay, I
get it. Yes, But when you make that move, you
cannot be hopeful. You have to be sure there was enough.
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There was not one drop of reassurance in that statement,
because he knows he can't oversell him at this point,
it's best to under still developing. You're still years away.
Then why did you trade up in the first round
to get him. You're not trying to win championships. That's
the message that you said. You're you're building towards future championships,
which is why I'm completely on Aaron's side for being upset.
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But more than that, there's a there's very very quickly
all fall apart because if Aaron Rodgers is not there,
and at this point we're all as simming he's at
least not going to be there next year. Right when
you have guys who are sitting behind quarterbacks Patrick Mahomes,
Aaron Rodgers, you you have a feeling like even Jimmy Garoppolo,
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like there's a reason why Tom Brady wanted Jimmy out
of the building. Yeah, it wasn't because he was unconcerned
about what Jimmy was doing in practice. No, Jimmy could play, yes,
so he wanted him out of the building. That's why
I like Aaron Rodgers around exactly because he could play.
So there's a reason why Aaron Rodgers is mad about
this and is offended, as he should be. But there's
also a reason why we're not hearing that. We've asked
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players all the time, can you tell if a guy
can play very quickly? And we're not hearing that. So
the forty nine ers drafted Tree Lance with a third
overall pick. But there was a lot of talk leading
up to the draft that mac Jones was going to
be the pick, and it kind of surprised a lot
of people. I certainly was shocked that was what happened. Well,
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Peter King thinks there were two reasons behind the mac
Jones smoke screen. Yes, so supposedly the forty nine ers.
Suppose the forty nineers wanted to convince the world that
they're picking mac Jones, And suppose they've talked to several
teams about Jimmy Garoppolo in trade, they'll pony up bigger
packages than they'd offered. Then there's another reason. For a
month and a half, Shanahan could have had deep discussions
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with couches, coaches, and scouts about the merits of the
three quarterbacks. So he also said, if everyone in the
organization knows you're taking player X, then they're more likely
to echo Chamber all the good stuff about player X
than be totally honest about all three. So basically it's
just a ripple effect. They weren't sure, according to them,
up until about ten days before the draft, where they
were going with, So there was all of this positive
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mac Jones talk, and they were leaning in on mac
Jones for so long. I'm told it was the Trey
Lance interview that moved well. I mean, I guess you
could believe this. I always felt this, and I shouldn't
say I always felt this. The more I thought about this,
I felt this, Would you move up to number three?
Because I heard this early? You move up to number
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three when you've got several guys you like. To me,
it's the opposite, you move up to three if you've
got a guy you like. So I still contend the
mac Jones stuff was real, and it got such awful
media and fans support. I mean, it was mocked that.
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I think sometimes, you know, I know, you guys listening
fans think you get hosed all the time. But fans
do have power, yes they do. First of all, your
power is not watching a show or watching a show
that's your ultimate power. But when fans are like, this
is toxic. They stop buying merchandise. And by the way,
you don't your owner driving to work every day doesn't
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want to turn on CANBR in San Francisco and hear
people crapping on his coach and GM. I think they
wanted to draft mac Jones. I understood their reasoning, he
can play right away, but I think the Bay Areas
said no. And then then they had Dan. It gave
the Scouts and John Lynch, who weren't in the mac
Jones corner. Yeah, more ammunition to go to the owner,
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or to go to Kyle and go Kyle, you're on
an island here. This is a career end or if
it if it, if it doesn't work, No, I can
I can see all of that. I also think that
you know, obviously there was no new tape. The pro
days are what they are. But it's not like, you know,
you're evaluating something dramatically different than you were going to
see on the tape. It's just an extra viewing of
their skills. But if you're on the fence or you
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know half the organization isn't sure and to your point,
the fans are mad about it, and then you meet
with Trey Lance and you know it's it's the hard
eyes emoji. Then it does make it easier for everyone
to move on because you're so impressed with the interview.
So the last time James Harden played in a game
for the Nets was April fifth, and he only played
for four minutes. So the playoffs are quickly approaching, and
Steve Nash gave a positive update on Harden. That's just
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a matter of, you know, monitoring it from today to
tomorrow to Wednesday and figuring out what's the best plan
of attack. So we can't commit to anything right now
because we're not committed anything. We're just trying to get
a good picture from one day in the next where
we're trending where we're heading, and then make a sound
decision based off that. But definitely possible that he plays
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one or more of these last four games. The most
amazing thing about Brooklyn. I have to be honest about this.
I thought Katie was the best player and the most
valuable Harden's value. It's kind of shocking, like they won
twenty to twenty two at one point without Katie, without Harden,
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It's a mess. Like I always said this Harden's a
great all time score, but in the MVP races, I
was always really cynical, which is a bad quality to have.
But it was like, come on it, No, it's actually
interesting that Harden's value has increased exponentially in my opinion,
joining to other stars. Absolutely. I mean, I'll just say
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it now. I am shocked how important he is on
this team. Like Kevin Durant could leave the Warriors, they
could win games. This team is just okay, Yeah, I
still think Katie is the better overall player when healthy,
but formulas and chemistry for teams is very important and hard,
and I was very I didn't like Harden's game. I
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didn't enjoy watching it before he got to Brooklyn. So
I'm I'm just the point that, you know, our big
teams are struggling with injuries, the big the big brands
right now, heading so close into the playoffs. I wish
they had gotten some time to play in the regular season.
But they're three games back in first place from the
seventy six ers in the East. They have four games there.
They have four games back because they'd currently face the
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winner of seven verse eight in the playing game, whichever
as of right now would be the Celtics um or
in the Hornets. Jaylen Brown is out for the rest
of the season, so that's at least for the first round. Well,
the Celtics have no size, so that the Yeah, the
Nets will roll through the Celtics. Yes, So my concern
with the Nets is obviously always been later into the playoffs,
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which could end up working out better than for them
for getting hard and back and getting healthy. But again,
they have no they've not played together. They played seven games,
the three of them together, and you're not if they're
all healthy, you're not going to not have Katie, Guyrie
and Art on the floor to Again, how great does
it look to see the Knicks at a four spots. Yeah,
I'm very excited for the playoffs. I watched. I watched
the entire game Sunday. I was like, Knicks are incredibly likable.
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They're very Knicks, not glamorous, not a lot of offense,
play really hard, just like Riley's Knicks, like Walts Frazier's
Knicks for a glamorous city. They love their unglamorous basketball.
But it's fun to watch. I can't wait for it.
Joy with the news, Well that's the news. Greg Jennings
joining us now, brought to you by Mercedes Bend's the
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best or nothing. Okay, I want to start with Tebo
before I get into the Packers. So I just said this.
Have you seen the show Ted Lasso yet? I have not. Okay.
It's corny and it's hopeful and it's optimistic, but it's
a TV show and it's actually funny. It's totally unrealistic.
A Division two college football coach wins and he gets
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hired to coach an English Premier League soccer team and
he's never watched soccer again. It's totally unrealistic, but it
works as a TV show, right. It works because he's
a likable character. The writing's very funny. Tim Tebow to
the NFL feels like that it's overly optimistic and hopeful,
the fact that he's going to put his hand in
the dirt and try to block a defensive end eight
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years out of the league. I wonder if if that
locker room in Jacksonville saying come on, bro really like,
I don't know, it's greg It just I don't. It
feels very hokey and collegiate to me. Do you think
the locker room buys into it. You know, that's a question.
I'm not certain there. They have a young locker room,
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and so that's what gives me hope. If they were
more of a veteran locker room, then I think this
would not work even even speaking about it, because you
got to think about what this looks like for so
many players. They work their tails off each and every
year to make a roster and then you see a
guy who comes in who has been out of football
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for the length in the duration of time that Tim
Tebow has been out of not coming back to play
the position that he was once in the league for
playing playing another position, and he's on the roster like
he's there with an opportunity, and it's so hard for
these young men to even get an opportunity. Yeah, it would.
It wouldn't come across great for a lot of veteran guys,
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and so when you're thinking about young guys, they have
to kind of embrace it because it is what it is.
They don't know any better. Yeah, I mean, again, Rudy
work because it was a blowout game. It's one play.
It's college. There's all sorts of walk ons in college.
It's kind of a fun story. This feels like walk
ons in the NFL. And remember you're taking somebody's roster spot.
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So I just correct. I think there's you're gonna get
a lot of whispers in that locker room, like, dude,
you couldn't play baseball either. Let's go to this. So
the GM Brian Gudenkouns had a quote that I Joy
just talked about. I hadn't seen this quote. Apparently he
made it last week when he said Jordan Love has
quote a long way to go unquote, and I'm thinking, okay, dude,
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you had thirty three thirty two college stars. I know
there wasn't a preseason, but justin Herbert walked on, he
didn't get much of a preseason either. I'm thinking if
I read a long way to go, and that to
me is I'd be worried today. I would be empowered.
If I'm Aaron Rodgers, I would be worried as a
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packer fanner. Am I overreading the room? There? Oh? I
think when I listen to that and he says Jordan
Love has a long way to go, they're realizing the
severity of Aaron rodgers leverage in his angle that he's
coming from. And so it's like, Okay, we're gonna say
this guy has a long way to go. I believe
he still has a ways to go, But how long
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none of us know they're in that locker room. They
see him on the playing field every single day, in practice,
in the meeting rooms, so they know that timetable round about.
But for me, when I hear that, that's a general
manager who understands where his footing is and he has
none right now when it comes to his starting quarterback,
the MVP of the National Football League, who wants out
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of that current situation because of a decision you ultimately made.
So let's make sure Aaron knows. Look, we're even we're
letting everyone know he has a long way to go.
We need you back here, we want you back here,
even if it is for just one year. They understand
the importance of messaging, and so I think that was
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all a part of the messaging to make sure that
Aaron Rodgers catch that and understands we're not moving to
him right now. You are our guy in this very moment. However,
I think it might be too late. Yeah. By the way,
I had Davante Adams on yesterday and I you know,
I just asked him point blank. I said, if Aaron left,
why would you stay? Well, you're Davantae Adams like. I mean,
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there's a reason Stefon Diggs wanted to go play with
Josh Allen. He was all into that. When you were
with Green Bay, It's understood. It's different. They don't have
an owner, they're pretty frugal. It's not attractive to free agents.
Just take me back to the power of Farvin Rodgers
and getting free agents when when you guys would have
I mean, because mostly the Packers have always been built
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through the draft. But I think if Aaron leaves, the
Bulls have never recovered from Michael leaving, and that's abuseful city.
That's very attractive a franchise with tons of money. I
think you could, you could go sideways fast. I mean
when you were there, how much did Farvan Rodgers elevate
free agents even considering Green Bay. Well, that's the attraction.
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That's like the icing on the cake. That's kind of
that cherry on top. When you have that that ace
in your back pocket and you're able to throw that
out there on the deck on the playing table and say, look,
we will always have a chance because of Aaron Rodgers.
We will always have a chance because of Brett far Well.
If you have that playing card removed, now are you
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are out of the question when it comes to trying
to recruit and bring in talent that wants to win
a Super Bowl that is veteran, that is right now,
give us get it done. That's what Aaron Rodgers, That's
what all these Patrick mahomes and think about this. The
Cincinnati Bengals with acquiring Joe Burrow as their pick last season,
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They're going to attract so many guys now because we
all see the potential in Joe Burrow. He has nowhere
near Arm's level as far as his resume, but we
see something there and that's going to attract you. When
you have a piece at that position that is so
very important and valuable that that can be the determining
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factor whether a free agent comes or he goes and
turns around and goes the other way. Yeah, you know
it's I got a circle back to Tebow. I don't
want to be a bad guy because I was harsh
on him the first time. I'm like, this doesn't work.
It is crazy, Like I mean, let's be honest, if
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you were in Jacksonville's locker room. There's already a tiny, tiny,
tiny bit of skepticism about college coach in the locker room.
A little bit. You don't want to admit it, but
a little bit. I just feel like that tripled right.
Like you would you would have a conversation at lunch
with a guy saying that'd be a little there'd be
a lot of whispers, right, and the law would be here.
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Here's the problem. It's not gonna only be a lot
of whispers in that locker room and within that organization,
They're gonna be a lot of chatter. There's gonna be
tons of chatter across the league because when you allow
a guy, and I don't want to say allow, when
you afford an opportunity like this to a guy like
Tim Tebow, and I remember I heard Shannon say this
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on Undisputed a while back. He's been one of those
guys that's been always trying to stay in that line light,
continuing to pursue his dreams, his goals, his aspirations, all
these bucket list things, and for this to be one
of them, it just seems so disrespectful for the guys
(34:48):
who are qualified and who have played that position for
so long and who have worked their tails off to
try to earn a roster spot, and you don't even
consider them. You go to a guy who not put
his hand in the dirt, who you have not seen
play at this level at that position, and you just
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give him that opportunity. That is what the chatter is
going to be about, and it can cause rifts not
only within that locker room, but across the league when
you talk about other players who we know Colin Kaepernick
is out there and he hasn't been afforded an opportunity
that many people think he should be afforded. Yeah, it
is interesting. It's almost like a blind spot for Tim Tebow.
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He just doesn't understand that he's a great college player.
But in professional circles, Major League Baseball players rolled their
eyes at him, and NFL guys at the end rolled
their eyes at him. They did, I'm just being honest.
They went to New England, they couldn't get him on
the field. He went to New York, they couldn't get
him on the field. Joyce said it. Players talk, Players
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know immediately who can pay and who cannot play, and
this is one of those guys. There's there's likability there.
I get it. There's a relationship there between he and
urban Meyer. But as far as playing football in the
on that level, the National Football League level, Tim Tebow
has just not cut it. He's just not cut it. Yeah,
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good stuff, Greg and uh Greg Jennings, Fox Sports NFL Analysts,
Thanks buddy, Absolutely, you bet. Um. Yeah, it is interesting.
I mean we can blame Herban Meyer, but there there
is some culpability on Tebow who at some point, you know,
it's like, I'll give you an example of what it
makes me think of. Um, I'll do that in a second.
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your podcasts. You know, I was saying with with Tebow,
is that I remember about fifteen sixteen years ago, American
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Idol was the number one show. It was on Fox.
It been, it been. It was a British show and
all the American networks passed on it, which is just remarkable,
and Fox picked it up for a decade. It was
the most watch show in America. And it was just
it was really I mean, I can't think of a
TV show that had on broadcast TV that that's ever
rivaled it. It certainly it's the last one to be
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that big. I mean, everybody watched it, everybody talked about it.
I mean, it was like a water cooler show. It
was like the NFL. It was getting like NFL numbers.
It was insane NFL numbers. And you know, there was
Paula Abdul who was sweet, and Randy Jackson who was
funny and nice, and then there was mean Simon cow
He was the one that the singers got nervous waiting
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for the answer because he was telling you the truth.
You know, Paula didn't like to be mean. She would
smirk and say something adorable even if you were awful,
And Randy Jackson had a nicer way of saying you
can't sing. Simon was the industry. He wasn't mean. Joe
and I were talking about this journ in the break.
He was the industry, and he would tell you, I
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don't know your dream is over. You're not You're not
going to sing on Broadway. You're not going to get
a record deal. I know what your grandma told you,
and I know what your mom told you, but you're
a lounge singer at best. Boom mean. No, it's not mean.
It's honest, and we all need more honesty. We all
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need it. I understand chase your dreams and people say
that you should chase your dreams forever. No they shouldn't.
You're thirty nine. It's time to stop playing minoritygue baseball,
get a job and support your family. You had fun
planned baseball since you were seven, but it's like thirty
two years, it's time to support your family. You're a
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triple A baseball player, not tebo, just anybody. Like, there's
a time when it's not about you and your dreams.
It's about your family and about your kids and getting
a real job. And Tim Tebow did realize his dream.
He started in the NFL for a brief time and
won a playoff game, and that's it. Like his completion
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percentage is forty five, it's the lowest in NFL history.
Is this sense that the people that oppose Tebow and
I didn't oppose the opportunity. I said the day he
was drafted, that's incredible arrogance by Josh McDaniels to think
you're smarter than everybody. All my scouts were like, he's
not an NFL quarterback, not a star. He's an NFL
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athlete maybe, but you know he ran a four seven
one forty. That's that's slow for everybody but the punter
and kicker and a guard. So like, I don't think
it's mean when somebody comes to you and offers you
the truth. And if somebody is doing that to you,
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you see them as the enemy in an obstacle, But
they're really an ally because so few people politicians won't,
parents won't, bosses won't. Nobody's honest. Simon Cowell is just honest.
He was the industry. He was just telling you what
nobody else wouldn't. He tell you to your face, it's
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time to give the dream up. You're forty two, you're
not gonna make Broadway. It's time for somebody to tell
Tebow it's time to get a real job. The herd
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f S one. Joy Taylor returns today. So fitting that
Joy is back her brother, of course, the Hall of
Fame football player, Joy understands what NFL locker rooms are
(00:51):
all about. Your brother, of course, played for Nick Saban,
best college coach ever, who did not work in the
NFL for a variety of reasons. He didn't quite get
the sensibility, the temperature of the room in an NFL
locker room. Right, that fair, It's two different businesses and
two different sports. We often pushed them together and they've
(01:13):
gotten much closer over the years. But yeah, it's a
big difference coaching young men and adults with mortgages and
children of their own and that often make more than
you the coach, yes, and have a union, a players union.
And so there's a television show out there. I just
started binge washing. It's quite adorable. That's a keyword here.
It's optimistic, it's corny, but it's hopeful. It's called ted Lasso.
(01:36):
It's really quite good as a TV show where a
small Southern football coach Division two school wins and I mean,
it is beyond corny, but you suspend belief because you
know it's not true. And the character is so infinitely
likable that he gets hired by a devious owner of
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an English Premier League team. She's a great actress to
coach an English Premier League team, and he's never watched
a soccer game. Again, it's not realistic, but it works
as a TV show. It doesn't work in real life.
Urban Meyer thinks ted Lasso, and maybe that's because he's
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watching the show and he likes it like me. He
thinks he's going to bring a tight end that hasn't
played for eight years. Oh my bad. Tim Tebow's never
played tight end. He's a quarterback, and I'm gonna do
a ted Lasso impression. Here. If you think Tim Tebow
tight end to Jacksonville works, you think Ted Lasso would
(02:39):
walk into that locker room. Well, boys, boys, we gotta
we gotta. Guys. Been out of the league eight years,
maybe nine out lost camp. He used to be a quarterback.
It wasn't very good at that. He's a tight end.
He'd never done that, and he is gonna set the
culture in here. He gonna show us boys how to win.
Oh God, it's cringey. Tim tebo is now at six two.
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There are no tight ends at six two, six four
is considered small at tight end, is going to put
his hand in the dirt and going to block a
young man who is a pass rusher that weighs twenty
five pounds more and wants to put food on his
table because he's got a new baby girl and he's
been cut by two NFL teams and he wants to
kick Tebow's ass because he doesn't buy his nonsense anyway,
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because that defensive end would never have gotten a shot
at baseball. He would never have been drafted in the
first round. And he's putting food on the table for
his baby daughter. And you think Tim Tebow's gonna put
a hand in the dirt and block him. All that
is so cute, This is awful. It's so collegiate, folks.
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Rudy is a true story about a walk on in college.
Hoosiers is about Indiana high school basketball. This is the NFL.
People wonder if Kyle Pitts, the new prototype at tied End,
can block. He's six five and runs a four four,
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and they will demand he blocks Tim six two. He
ran a four seven forty eight nine years ago. He's
never been as athletic as everybody hopes. And he's a
good person, and he's corny and optimistic and hopeful. He
is ted Lasso. And I liked Tim, and I've met
his brother, bumped into him on vacation. I've said before
I'd put Tim somewhere on a roster, maybe like seven
(04:32):
years ago. But this isn't gonna sell. We know I
liked Urban, I know Urban. I've known Urban forever. I've
been saying nice things about Urban. Today is not one
of those days. Okay, we all know Urban is smart
and can coach good Broadcaster two, the question was Oways,
does he understand the sense ability of the blocker room?
Saban really didn't and Saban is sharp and Urban sharp.
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But when Urban tried to muscle through a strength coach
from Iowa who had just been fired for abusive behavior
to athletes and some racially insensitive stuff as a little
bit of red flags like Urban that that I'm not
gonna work here, and that lasted about a day. It's like,
you can't treat NFL players like that. They'll deck him. Okay,
(05:18):
you can't sell Tim Tebow out of the league eight
years as a tight end. Now, maybe he's trying to
get invested, get his pension or something like that. I mean,
maybe that's it. But even then, you're taking somebody else's job.
A head coach told me, called me this morning, he's
does does Tebo understand what it's like to block a
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defensive ende? Does he own a mouthpiece? Come on again, Hoosiers,
Rudy ted Lasso. I loved all of them. I loved
all of them, but their TV shows or their movies.
And the reason you allow ted Lasso to I mean,
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by the way, this shows you how unrealistic it is.
It's shot in London. They say the first three episodes
it never rains, it's sunny every day. Well, that tells
you right there. It's not made in England, or they
picked the two days of the year, it doesn't rain
in England, or is not cloudy, but you suspend belief
because you liked the story and it's hopeful and so
is or so is Tebow. That's why everybody fell in
(06:24):
love with Tebow. We knew we couldn't throw. He wasn't
that athletic, but he was an easy guy to root for.
Right in America, everything so negative and cynical, and Tebow
was like Ted Lasso. He was so optimistic and so
hopeful and chasing his dream. He was impossible for a
lot of people not to root for. He put his
religion out there. He was just the He was like
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you know, players said, he's the guy you want your
daughter to marry. So nice, but he didn't work at
quarterback and a baseball where he was a great high
school player with both and a great college player in football. Folks,
some times I think it borders on disrespectful. I really do.
I think you're gonna try to take food off the
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table from defensive ends. Somebody's losing a roster spot because
of this man. It feels like an eye roll to
me and I don't want to be negative here. I'm
mister you know, Uncle Colin is mister positivity glass half full.
But boy, this just doesn't feel right. This feels like
the strength coach with a nicer guy. It feels like
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a complete eye roll by NFL people when I have
coaches calling me this morning and going the hell sorry
using that word in a t boat ramp, but I mean,
it's just it's not gonna work, all right, So all right.
I remember when the late Kobe Bryant scored sixty points
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in his last game and he set a record for
the most shots ever taken in the game. And I
worked with somebody at the time and he hated it.
That's not how you ended, And I argued, no, that's
that's exactly how it should end. For Kobe Bryant. Kobe
Bryant was authentic to himself. Kobe Bryant. Laker fans would
(08:11):
tell you he often shot too much, But Kobe Bryant
setting an NBA record on his last game shooting the
most shots ever and dropping sixty was perfect. Kobe was
a performer, an entertainer, closest thing we've seen to Jordan,
(08:32):
and it worked for me. I thought, that's authentic, that
that's who Kobe. Had Kobe come out and set a
record for assists, he'd be like, that's not who Kobe is.
Russell Westbrook did something last night. Now I didn't try
to do it like Kobe, but it was a perfect,
perfect night that symbolizes Russell Westbrook. Russell Westbrook is insanely athletic,
(08:58):
top five athlete league history, wildly fun, polarizing, and last
night he set the all time NBA record for triple doubles.
And at the end of the game, with plenty of time,
he took a three pointer and missed. It was not
(09:18):
great judgment. He had time to drive and draw a foul.
He's good at that, and he missed a three pointer.
Of course he did. Here's the end of the game.
It's so fitting. The Wizards are gonna go with it.
Here comes Westbrook. Four seconds. Westbrook puts up the three,
no good, and Atlanta's gonna win it by one. Tough
right there, got a clean look off. Russell Westbrook came
(09:44):
up Shore on a night when he makes history. He
keeps that ball. But the Wizards in a one point game. Again,
of course he kept the ball. He once set it.
It's his best friend. That's how he should set the record.
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And this is not a criticism of him. When Jameis
Winston his last pass as a buccaneer was a pick six,
you're like, oh, that's kind of what it should be.
Russell Westbrook gave you both facets of his game last night.
His utter brilliance, his unmistakable athletic ability, his brilliant talent
(10:26):
carved through years of focus and determination. You got that.
And he missed a three pointer badly when he should
have driven, gotten fouled and headed to the line. You
get that. He's won seven playoff games since he and
Kad got a divorce, and that's with James Harden and
Paul George to two different stops. He is one of
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the most unique players ever. People say Iverson, I think
he's more athletic than Iverson. I think he's stronger than Iverson.
I think he's more vertical than Iverson. He may not
be as fast, I'm not sure anybody's ever been as
fast as Iverson. But you got a little of both yesterday.
In fact, he got a lot of both. Can't really
shoot judgment sometimes we don't love but he now holds
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an NBA record one that means a lot to him,
not much to most. I'm not really a trouble double guy,
but it means a lot to Westbrook. Poll most basketball fans,
it doesn't mean a lot to them, but that too,
has always been Westbrook. He's a little different, he's contrarian,
he's unique, and now fittingly he's a record holder. All right,
(11:32):
So Davantae Adams, the Green Bay Packers came in our
show yesterday and he's really good. We even lost him
for a while technology came back. He was good the
second time, but apparently it got a lot of play
what he said, and I want to go back to
one thing he said. And I just don't quite know
if Green Bay understands the dominoes that could fall if
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I know lawnmoors. I got lawn now, I moved. I
got a lawn, got lawn now, well no, but I
have a lawn I did as a kid. It's how
I made money. So Davante Adams was on our show yesterday.
Thank god the NFL network credited us with the actual interview.
(12:38):
Somebody didn't. Nonetheless, I am not bitter. I do not
hold grudges. Davante was great. Great to have him. I'd
love to have him on again. So we talked about
I asked them some questions about what if Aaron leaves,
what are you doing? You're a free agent in a year,
and Davante Adams said this. When I first got it, Um,
I was I was actually on the golf course. I'm
trying to enjoy myself, a couple of bruskies out there,
(12:58):
so it was this, it's a good day, and then
I hear that and it kind of sways it. Obviously,
I don't really know what the thing. Hadn't really spoke
to him, so, um, you know, it wasn't the best
news to receive while I'm out there trying to have
a good time, But you know, it scared me a
little bit. But if Aaron moved on, you have such
an incredible working relationship with him, what it affect your
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future in Green Bay? Potentially? Potentially? I mean, that's my guy.
That's the only guy that I've had, you know, other
than that twenty seventeen season when he got hurts. It's
the only guy that I played with him. You know,
we built up a special connection over the years that
has made it, you know, put us both in really
good positions in our career. It would change a lot, man,
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you know, doesn't mean potentially I'd be gone, but um,
you know, I definitely to do some extra thinking if
my guy wasn't here. Yeah, you don't want to lose him.
He may be the best receiver in the league. In
the Last Dance, the Michael Jordan documentary, it was really
a cautionary tale on don't tick off your superstar. As
Joy has said often, not many him around, take care
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of him. General manager Jerry Krause of the Bulls didn't
want Phil Jackson back, but that didn't mean he lost
just Phil Jackson, because Michael said, I will not play
without Phil Jackson. So you'll lose the best coach and
the best player and then Scottie Pippen, Rodman, Steve Kerr
Bolt and now your best player is Tony Kuko Cha
(14:27):
Finesse European who won best sixth man in the league.
That's your franchise player. You lose Aaron Rodgers number one,
your Jordan Love pick is going to be exposed. Gonna
be a bad day for Brian Gudencon's the jam. You're
gonna lose the locker room. You can lose Davante Adams.
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By the way, you've never been a place that can
get free agents anyway. Yeah, you're done. Get nos. You
struggle to get him with far of an Aaron Rodgers, folks.
The Chicago Bulls have never recovered. And that's a wealthy
franchise with an owner willing to pull the trigger on
big moves. And by the way, it's a very attractive city.
I'm going there this weekend. They've never won more than
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fifty games one time twenty three years. That's it. The
Chicago Bulls have never recovered Green Bay. Do you understand
how the dominoes work? And I've worked in corporate America
for god ever, let's start with that ever, And you
know I've had a pleasant experience every place I've been.
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But I'll tell you something almost as a rule, executives
sometimes don't see around corners, and you think one move
stands on its own, And it is incredible in my
career doing this, how often one move becomes two, becomes three,
becomes four. You lose Aaron Rodgers. You better have a
(15:57):
backup plan. You better be trading with somebody with a
quarterback minimum Derek Carr, because you bring Teddy Bridgewater in.
Nice guy, but they don't play the same. So there
there are. You lose a Jordan, You lose an Aaron Rodgers.
There is such a waterfall effect of just people moving
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on agents like don't play. Why would an agent want
one of his receivers to go to Green Bay? Your
catches are gonna go down. That's what I always said
about that, the Tim Tebow fascination. I was always like,
wide receivers are never gonna want to play. In Denver,
they had de Marius Thomas and Eric Decker. Their numbers plummeted.
Tebow's gone, Peyton Manning comes in. Now they're all pros.
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Now they're getting I mean, the bottom line is you
lose Aaron and Jordan loves stinks if he does. And
by the way their GM said this past you know week,
he's a long way off what free agent wants their
career to end in the smallest city. So it is
Davante Adams. You're not gonna You're not gonna get another
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Davante Adams. Like he's a he's a he's a Hall
of Famer. He's maybe the best red zone receiver in
the NFL. Like, there's not a lot of him on
the conveyor belt like those Jason Taylor's. Davantae Adams. Just
don't Khalil max. You don't get a lot of chance.
Khalil Mack is a once in a decade rush End.
Giants have never gotten a Lawrence Taylor. Bulls have never
(17:23):
gotten anything close to Michael Jordan. Zach Levine. That's Michael Jordan.
That's about as close as they've had joy with the news. No, no,
this is the herd line news. Well, you know this
all works out swimmingly for the Packers of Jordan Love
is their third first ballot Hall of Fame quarterback in
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a row. No, if he could play all the stuff
solved tomorrow, we don't know if he can play and
ban GM Brian Goodenos spoke at this year's draft about
the possibility of Jordan's love jumping into the driver's seat. Well,
obviously we think the world of Jordan and where he's
going to go and develop. UM, I think it's pretty
early to kind of, you know, um to kind of
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be able to tell you that, because obviously with no
preseason game last year, but um preseason games last year
and then just the kind of the no spring. But
we have a lot of confidence and his talents and
his work ethic and where he's going to go. But
it's a little early for that. M you better because
this was your decision and you're trying to do it forever.
(18:28):
Quite ruffling of feathers. Yes, so this is this is
an echoing explanation of what we're hearing about love. Here's
what concerns me about the situation. I did not like
to pick to begin with. You were in the NFC
Championship game. Of all the positions of need you needed
in the first round, it was not quarterback, and it's
not like love fell to them and he was this
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highly touted prospect You trade it up to get him.
That sends a message, No, matter what position it is.
But the quarterback was the last position that you needed.
And I've talked a lot of people about and they're like, oh,
but Aaron Rodgers, his numbers were slipping, slipping. He just
won the MVP, so he obviously still had that in him.
Whatever happened with the NFC Championship game with the Packers
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last year was not on Aaron Rodgers. Like, I think
we can all safely say that's the position that we're
the most sure about with the Green Bay Packers. So
you made this move. Send a message to Aaron Rodgers,
send a message to your fan base that you are
now building towards the future when you are already in
the presence competing to make it to the super Bowl.
So you better be sure he's the guy. Yeah, it's
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it's gonna be mocked, even if he's really good. Yes,
he asked me a first Melthall of namer Like, even
if he was you'd be like, I guess you'd tolerated.
If he was justin Herbert, you'd be like, Okay, I
get it. Yes, But when you make that move, you
cannot be hopeful. You have to be sure there was enough.
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There was not one drop of reassurance in that statement,
because he knows he can't oversell him at this point,
it's best to under still developing. You're still years away.
Then why did you trade up in the first round
to get him. You're not trying to win championships. That's
the message that you said. You're you're building towards future championships,
which is why I'm completely on Aaron's side for being upset.
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But more than that, there's a there's very very quickly
all fall apart because if Aaron Rodgers is not there,
and at this point we're all as simming he's at
least not going to be there next year. Right when
you have guys who are sitting behind quarterbacks Patrick Mahomes,
Aaron Rodgers, you you have a feeling like even Jimmy Garoppolo,
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like there's a reason why Tom Brady wanted Jimmy out
of the building. Yeah, it wasn't because he was unconcerned
about what Jimmy was doing in practice. No, Jimmy could play, yes,
so he wanted him out of the building. That's why
I like Aaron Rodgers around exactly because he could play.
So there's a reason why Aaron Rodgers is mad about
this and is offended, as he should be. But there's
also a reason why we're not hearing that. We've asked
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players all the time, can you tell if a guy
can play very quickly? And we're not hearing that. So
the forty nine ers drafted Tree Lance with a third
overall pick. But there was a lot of talk leading
up to the draft that mac Jones was going to
be the pick, and it kind of surprised a lot
of people. I certainly was shocked that was what happened. Well,
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Peter King thinks there were two reasons behind the mac
Jones smoke screen. Yes, so supposedly the forty nine ers.
Suppose the forty nineers wanted to convince the world that
they're picking mac Jones, And suppose they've talked to several
teams about Jimmy Garoppolo in trade, they'll pony up bigger
packages than they'd offered. Then there's another reason. For a
month and a half, Shanahan could have had deep discussions
(21:39):
with couches, coaches, and scouts about the merits of the
three quarterbacks. So he also said, if everyone in the
organization knows you're taking player X, then they're more likely
to echo Chamber all the good stuff about player X
than be totally honest about all three. So basically it's
just a ripple effect. They weren't sure, according to them,
up until about ten days before the draft, where they
were going with, So there was all of this positive
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mac Jones talk, and they were leaning in on mac
Jones for so long. I'm told it was the Trey
Lance interview that moved well. I mean, I guess you
could believe this. I always felt this, and I shouldn't
say I always felt this. The more I thought about this,
I felt this, Would you move up to number three?
Because I heard this early? You move up to number
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three when you've got several guys you like. To me,
it's the opposite, you move up to three if you've
got a guy you like. So I still contend the
mac Jones stuff was real, and it got such awful
media and fans support. I mean, it was mocked that.
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I think sometimes, you know, I know, you guys listening
fans think you get hosed all the time. But fans
do have power, yes they do. First of all, your
power is not watching a show or watching a show
that's your ultimate power. But when fans are like, this
is toxic. They stop buying merchandise. And by the way,
you don't your owner driving to work every day doesn't
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want to turn on CANBR in San Francisco and hear
people crapping on his coach and GM. I think they
wanted to draft mac Jones. I understood their reasoning, he
can play right away, but I think the Bay Areas
said no. And then then they had Dan. It gave
the Scouts and John Lynch, who weren't in the mac
Jones corner. Yeah, more ammunition to go to the owner,
(23:28):
or to go to Kyle and go Kyle, you're on
an island here. This is a career end or if
it if it, if it doesn't work, No, I can
I can see all of that. I also think that
you know, obviously there was no new tape. The pro
days are what they are. But it's not like, you know,
you're evaluating something dramatically different than you were going to
see on the tape. It's just an extra viewing of
their skills. But if you're on the fence or you
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know half the organization isn't sure and to your point,
the fans are mad about it, and then you meet
with Trey Lance and you know it's it's the hard
eyes emoji. Then it does make it easier for everyone
to move on because you're so impressed with the interview.
So the last time James Harden played in a game
for the Nets was April fifth, and he only played
for four minutes. So the playoffs are quickly approaching, and
Steve Nash gave a positive update on Harden. That's just
(24:14):
a matter of, you know, monitoring it from today to
tomorrow to Wednesday and figuring out what's the best plan
of attack. So we can't commit to anything right now
because we're not committed anything. We're just trying to get
a good picture from one day in the next where
we're trending where we're heading, and then make a sound
decision based off that. But definitely possible that he plays
(24:34):
one or more of these last four games. The most
amazing thing about Brooklyn. I have to be honest about this.
I thought Katie was the best player and the most
valuable Harden's value. It's kind of shocking, like they won
twenty to twenty two at one point without Katie, without Harden,
(24:55):
It's a mess. Like I always said this Harden's a
great all time score, but in the MVP races, I
was always really cynical, which is a bad quality to have.
But it was like, come on it, No, it's actually
interesting that Harden's value has increased exponentially in my opinion,
joining to other stars. Absolutely. I mean, I'll just say
(25:17):
it now. I am shocked how important he is on
this team. Like Kevin Durant could leave the Warriors, they
could win games. This team is just okay, Yeah, I
still think Katie is the better overall player when healthy,
but formulas and chemistry for teams is very important and hard,
and I was very I didn't like Harden's game. I
(25:39):
didn't enjoy watching it before he got to Brooklyn. So
I'm I'm just the point that, you know, our big
teams are struggling with injuries, the big the big brands
right now, heading so close into the playoffs. I wish
they had gotten some time to play in the regular season.
But they're three games back in first place from the
seventy six ers in the East. They have four games there.
They have four games back because they'd currently face the
(26:00):
winner of seven verse eight in the playing game, whichever
as of right now would be the Celtics um or
in the Hornets. Jaylen Brown is out for the rest
of the season, so that's at least for the first round. Well,
the Celtics have no size, so that the Yeah, the
Nets will roll through the Celtics. Yes, So my concern
with the Nets is obviously always been later into the playoffs,
(26:22):
which could end up working out better than for them
for getting hard and back and getting healthy. But again,
they have no they've not played together. They played seven games,
the three of them together, and you're not if they're
all healthy, you're not going to not have Katie, Guyrie
and Art on the floor to Again, how great does
it look to see the Knicks at a four spots. Yeah,
I'm very excited for the playoffs. I watched. I watched
the entire game Sunday. I was like, Knicks are incredibly likable.
(26:44):
They're very Knicks, not glamorous, not a lot of offense,
play really hard, just like Riley's Knicks, like Walts Frazier's
Knicks for a glamorous city. They love their unglamorous basketball.
But it's fun to watch. I can't wait for it.
Joy with the news, Well that's the news. Greg Jennings
joining us now, brought to you by Mercedes Bend's the
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best or nothing. Okay, I want to start with Tebo
before I get into the Packers. So I just said this.
Have you seen the show Ted Lasso yet? I have not. Okay.
It's corny and it's hopeful and it's optimistic, but it's
a TV show and it's actually funny. It's totally unrealistic.
A Division two college football coach wins and he gets
(27:29):
hired to coach an English Premier League soccer team and
he's never watched soccer again. It's totally unrealistic, but it
works as a TV show, right. It works because he's
a likable character. The writing's very funny. Tim Tebow to
the NFL feels like that it's overly optimistic and hopeful,
the fact that he's going to put his hand in
the dirt and try to block a defensive end eight
(27:50):
years out of the league. I wonder if if that
locker room in Jacksonville saying come on, bro really like,
I don't know, it's greg It just I don't. It
feels very hokey and collegiate to me. Do you think
the locker room buys into it. You know, that's a question.
I'm not certain there. They have a young locker room,
(28:13):
and so that's what gives me hope. If they were
more of a veteran locker room, then I think this
would not work even even speaking about it, because you
got to think about what this looks like for so
many players. They work their tails off each and every
year to make a roster and then you see a
guy who comes in who has been out of football
(28:36):
for the length in the duration of time that Tim
Tebow has been out of not coming back to play
the position that he was once in the league for
playing playing another position, and he's on the roster like
he's there with an opportunity, and it's so hard for
these young men to even get an opportunity. Yeah, it would.
It wouldn't come across great for a lot of veteran guys,
(28:59):
and so when you're thinking about young guys, they have
to kind of embrace it because it is what it is.
They don't know any better. Yeah, I mean, again, Rudy
work because it was a blowout game. It's one play.
It's college. There's all sorts of walk ons in college.
It's kind of a fun story. This feels like walk
ons in the NFL. And remember you're taking somebody's roster spot.
(29:20):
So I just correct. I think there's you're gonna get
a lot of whispers in that locker room, like, dude,
you couldn't play baseball either. Let's go to this. So
the GM Brian Gudenkouns had a quote that I Joy
just talked about. I hadn't seen this quote. Apparently he
made it last week when he said Jordan Love has
quote a long way to go unquote, and I'm thinking, okay, dude,
(29:43):
you had thirty three thirty two college stars. I know
there wasn't a preseason, but justin Herbert walked on, he
didn't get much of a preseason either. I'm thinking if
I read a long way to go, and that to
me is I'd be worried today. I would be empowered.
If I'm Aaron Rodgers, I would be worried as a
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packer fanner. Am I overreading the room? There? Oh? I
think when I listen to that and he says Jordan
Love has a long way to go, they're realizing the
severity of Aaron rodgers leverage in his angle that he's
coming from. And so it's like, Okay, we're gonna say
this guy has a long way to go. I believe
he still has a ways to go, But how long
(30:25):
none of us know they're in that locker room. They
see him on the playing field every single day, in practice,
in the meeting rooms, so they know that timetable round about.
But for me, when I hear that, that's a general
manager who understands where his footing is and he has
none right now when it comes to his starting quarterback,
the MVP of the National Football League, who wants out
(30:48):
of that current situation because of a decision you ultimately made.
So let's make sure Aaron knows. Look, we're even we're
letting everyone know he has a long way to go.
We need you back here, we want you back here,
even if it is for just one year. They understand
the importance of messaging, and so I think that was
(31:09):
all a part of the messaging to make sure that
Aaron Rodgers catch that and understands we're not moving to
him right now. You are our guy in this very moment. However,
I think it might be too late. Yeah. By the way,
I had Davante Adams on yesterday and I you know,
I just asked him point blank. I said, if Aaron left,
why would you stay? Well, you're Davantae Adams like. I mean,
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there's a reason Stefon Diggs wanted to go play with
Josh Allen. He was all into that. When you were
with Green Bay, It's understood. It's different. They don't have
an owner, they're pretty frugal. It's not attractive to free agents.
Just take me back to the power of Farvin Rodgers
and getting free agents when when you guys would have
I mean, because mostly the Packers have always been built
(31:54):
through the draft. But I think if Aaron leaves, the
Bulls have never recovered from Michael leaving, and that's abuseful city.
That's very attractive a franchise with tons of money. I
think you could, you could go sideways fast. I mean
when you were there, how much did Farvan Rodgers elevate
free agents even considering Green Bay. Well, that's the attraction.
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That's like the icing on the cake. That's kind of
that cherry on top. When you have that that ace
in your back pocket and you're able to throw that
out there on the deck on the playing table and say, look,
we will always have a chance because of Aaron Rodgers.
We will always have a chance because of Brett far Well.
If you have that playing card removed, now are you
(32:39):
are out of the question when it comes to trying
to recruit and bring in talent that wants to win
a Super Bowl that is veteran, that is right now,
give us get it done. That's what Aaron Rodgers, That's
what all these Patrick mahomes and think about this. The
Cincinnati Bengals with acquiring Joe Burrow as their pick last season,
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They're going to attract so many guys now because we
all see the potential in Joe Burrow. He has nowhere
near Arm's level as far as his resume, but we
see something there and that's going to attract you. When
you have a piece at that position that is so
very important and valuable that that can be the determining
(33:23):
factor whether a free agent comes or he goes and
turns around and goes the other way. Yeah, you know
it's I got a circle back to Tebow. I don't
want to be a bad guy because I was harsh
on him the first time. I'm like, this doesn't work.
It is crazy, Like I mean, let's be honest, if
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you were in Jacksonville's locker room. There's already a tiny, tiny,
tiny bit of skepticism about college coach in the locker room.
A little bit. You don't want to admit it, but
a little bit. I just feel like that tripled right.
Like you would you would have a conversation at lunch
with a guy saying that'd be a little there'd be
a lot of whispers, right, and the law would be here.
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Here's the problem. It's not gonna only be a lot
of whispers in that locker room and within that organization,
They're gonna be a lot of chatter. There's gonna be
tons of chatter across the league because when you allow
a guy, and I don't want to say allow, when
you afford an opportunity like this to a guy like
Tim Tebow, and I remember I heard Shannon say this
(34:28):
on Undisputed a while back. He's been one of those
guys that's been always trying to stay in that line light,
continuing to pursue his dreams, his goals, his aspirations, all
these bucket list things, and for this to be one
of them, it just seems so disrespectful for the guys
(34:48):
who are qualified and who have played that position for
so long and who have worked their tails off to
try to earn a roster spot, and you don't even
consider them. You go to a guy who not put
his hand in the dirt, who you have not seen
play at this level at that position, and you just
(35:10):
give him that opportunity. That is what the chatter is
going to be about, and it can cause rifts not
only within that locker room, but across the league when
you talk about other players who we know Colin Kaepernick
is out there and he hasn't been afforded an opportunity
that many people think he should be afforded. Yeah, it
is interesting. It's almost like a blind spot for Tim Tebow.
(35:33):
He just doesn't understand that he's a great college player.
But in professional circles, Major League Baseball players rolled their
eyes at him, and NFL guys at the end rolled
their eyes at him. They did, I'm just being honest.
They went to New England, they couldn't get him on
the field. He went to New York, they couldn't get
him on the field. Joyce said it. Players talk, Players
(35:58):
know immediately who can pay and who cannot play, and
this is one of those guys. There's there's likability there.
I get it. There's a relationship there between he and
urban Meyer. But as far as playing football in the
on that level, the National Football League level, Tim Tebow
has just not cut it. He's just not cut it. Yeah,
(36:21):
good stuff, Greg and uh Greg Jennings, Fox Sports NFL Analysts,
Thanks buddy, Absolutely, you bet. Um. Yeah, it is interesting.
I mean we can blame Herban Meyer, but there there
is some culpability on Tebow who at some point, you know,
it's like, I'll give you an example of what it
makes me think of. Um, I'll do that in a second.
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your podcasts. You know, I was saying with with Tebow,
is that I remember about fifteen sixteen years ago, American
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Idol was the number one show. It was on Fox.
It been, it been. It was a British show and
all the American networks passed on it, which is just remarkable,
and Fox picked it up for a decade. It was
the most watch show in America. And it was just
it was really I mean, I can't think of a
TV show that had on broadcast TV that that's ever
rivaled it. It certainly it's the last one to be
(37:50):
that big. I mean, everybody watched it, everybody talked about it.
I mean, it was like a water cooler show. It
was like the NFL. It was getting like NFL numbers.
It was insane NFL numbers. And you know, there was
Paula Abdul who was sweet, and Randy Jackson who was
funny and nice, and then there was mean Simon cow
He was the one that the singers got nervous waiting
(38:13):
for the answer because he was telling you the truth.
You know, Paula didn't like to be mean. She would
smirk and say something adorable even if you were awful,
And Randy Jackson had a nicer way of saying you
can't sing. Simon was the industry. He wasn't mean. Joe
and I were talking about this journ in the break.
He was the industry, and he would tell you, I
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don't know your dream is over. You're not You're not
going to sing on Broadway. You're not going to get
a record deal. I know what your grandma told you,
and I know what your mom told you, but you're
a lounge singer at best. Boom mean. No, it's not mean.
It's honest, and we all need more honesty. We all
(38:55):
need it. I understand chase your dreams and people say
that you should chase your dreams forever. No they shouldn't.
You're thirty nine. It's time to stop playing minoritygue baseball,
get a job and support your family. You had fun
planned baseball since you were seven, but it's like thirty
two years, it's time to support your family. You're a
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triple A baseball player, not tebo, just anybody. Like, there's
a time when it's not about you and your dreams.
It's about your family and about your kids and getting
a real job. And Tim Tebow did realize his dream.
He started in the NFL for a brief time and
won a playoff game, and that's it. Like his completion
(39:39):
percentage is forty five, it's the lowest in NFL history.
Is this sense that the people that oppose Tebow and
I didn't oppose the opportunity. I said the day he
was drafted, that's incredible arrogance by Josh McDaniels to think
you're smarter than everybody. All my scouts were like, he's
not an NFL quarterback, not a star. He's an NFL
(40:01):
athlete maybe, but you know he ran a four seven
one forty. That's that's slow for everybody but the punter
and kicker and a guard. So like, I don't think
it's mean when somebody comes to you and offers you
the truth. And if somebody is doing that to you,
(40:23):
you see them as the enemy in an obstacle, But
they're really an ally because so few people politicians won't,
parents won't, bosses won't. Nobody's honest. Simon Cowell is just honest.
He was the industry. He was just telling you what
nobody else wouldn't. He tell you to your face, it's
(40:44):
time to give the dream up. You're forty two, you're
not gonna make Broadway. It's time for somebody to tell
Tebow it's time to get a real job. The herd
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