LSU, Joe Burrow, winners & losers, and Tom Brady

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This is the Herd. Wherever you may be and however
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Joel Flatt this hour, Urban Meyer stops by a member
of the Dallas Cowboys. The Forest Buckner of the San
Francisco forty nine ers stops by. What a performance by
Joe Burrow. One hour from now, we're gonna play a

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game called Joe Burrow versus not Joe her This is
the volcano. But would you take Joe Burrow over a
list of NFL quarterbacks? After what we saw last night?
Joey Taylor is joining me. How are you? I am wonderful.
That was a great game last night. It was enjoyed
every second of it. I thought it was gonna be
a little bit closer, but yeah, I am I'm glad.

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I was worried about Joe burrow performance and LSU was
fantastic six hundred twenty eight total yards against a very
great Clemson team who was favored to be back in
this game next year. It should be noted the O. B. J.
Jarvis Landry LSU team lost three times and finished in
the Outback Bowl. This is what happens when you get

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the quarterback right. They sent it all together. LSU has
been a football factory for as long as I've been
watching football, but they've never had a team like this
because they've never had a quarterback like this. And the
San Francisco forty nine ers have had a lot of
good players in the last three or four years and
a great coach, but they're four and twenty without Garoppolo.

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Aaron Rodgers got hurt a few years ago nine games
he missed. They won three this year with a rookie
head coach. I'm still not sure it's a great coach.
They've won fourteen games. Joe Burrow tied it all together.
But I want to talk about a bigger, broader part
of this story and why football continues to be so
much more popular than basketball in America, college football is

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a million times more popular than college basketball, and the
NFL ratings are up on every network this year in
the NBA's down nineteen percent. And I like basketball, but
one of the reasons football connects with so many Americans
it's us. Joe Burrow was not even considered an NFL

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prospect in September. He will now be picked number one.
It's mid January. Hard work, kick to the curb, transferred
and doubted he's coachable. He worked his ass off and
he is going to now make millions of dollars. The
Joe Burrow story doesn't happen in others sports. Other sports

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don't have half of their players like the NFL that
are undrafted. Look around to football. Baker Mayfield transfer twice,
Kyler Murray told to transfer, Russell Wilson had to transfer,
cam and Aaron Rodgers went to junior colleges. Patrick Mahomes
nobody wanted him, Drew Brees had to go to Perdue,
Joe Burrow had to transfer. It's the story of overcoming

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of being told no pampered kids are spoiled, kids are
bad adults. Basketball's too much into pampering. Oh the horror
high school to duke for six months. Coach k Bill's
self awful. You know what football says, son, come to
our school minimum three years, probably four at manned up five.

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We wouldn't consider paying you. You'll get hurt, you may
have to ride the bench in transfer, but when you
come out of the tunnel of football, you'll be a
emotionally and physically a man and prepared for the millions.
You can make basketball panders and coddles and pampers. Football

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does not. That's why half the league is undrafted. That's
why it's us. It's overcoming ed Orgeron, mocked and kicked
to the curb. Football develops men. I've been in NBA
locker rooms, hockey locker rooms, baseball locker rooms, and football

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locker rooms. And NFL guys after four and five years
of getting their buck kicked in college, they come in hungry,
grateful and men. They marry earlier, they grow up faster
because they have to overcome this weekend. In the NFL playoffs,
the highest drafted quarterback is Ryan Tannehill and the Miami Dolphins.

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His first team bailed on him. He got hurt. You know,
we want to get a younger healthier guy. What did
Ryan Tannehill do? Whine about it? Complain? Call his agent. Now,
he packed his bags, grabbed his family and went to
Tennessee and rides the bench and crosses his finger for
another opportunity. And football always gives you one. People get hurt,

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people disappoint and Tannehill will now play the FC Championship.
I love basketball, but I respect football because it asks
so much of you, and it develops you. It's not
a race to get you paid. It's a race to
make you a man. Joe Burrow last night his plan
as ARSOF and I texted an NFLGM. He's a really

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good GM, and I say, what do you make a
Joe Burrow? And you know what the GM told me?
He goes. I didn't know in October, but every time
I watched him he got better. Yeah, he got better
because he had to transfer and and he was told
at Ohio State, you're not as good as the other guy.

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And last year he was humbled. Joe Burrow is not
just a football story. He's an American story. He's relatable.
I can't wait to watch him play at Cincinnati. And
he may not make it. Maybe it'll look like Baker,
or maybe it'll look like Kyler, or maybe it'll look
like Lamar and Russell Wilson. But it's a story I

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can connect with, hard work, overcoming, kick to the curve.
It's the story of the NFL playoffs this weekend and
the story congrats to LSU and Joe Burrow of last night.
Let me shift to this. It was also it should
be noted, and I know you won't believe this. It
was a great night for Trevor Lawrence. It was Trevor

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Lawrence since he was fifteen years old and I saw
him at a camp when he was sixteen. He was
so much better than all the other senior quarterbacks and
he was just a junior. Trevor Lawrence has not been
on a football field probably for close to ten years

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and been the second best quarterback in that moment on
the field. He got hit last night, He got rushed
last night, He got humbled last night. He didn't play
very good. Everything was sailing, he was nervous, he was anxious.
LSU can do that to you. Trevor Lawrence's life so far,

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and I'm not saying he has learned it, but it's
been a lot of Saturdays when he's up by thirty
two at half. That is not the NFL. The NFL
is about making you uncomfortable. And because Dabo is a
great coach and Venables a great coordinator, and it's a
football factory, He's thrown to five star receivers and handed
off to five star running backs and he's got four

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and five star offensive lineman and the ACS right now
doesn't have another program with those kind of players. Trevor
Lawrence's college football career has been a lot of forty
seven point wins until last night, not a single loss.
And the loss was great for him, and he was
humbled and he was nervous and he was overwhelmed. I mean,

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good God, how good are LSU's defensive backs? Lord, You'll
be seeing them on Sunday real soon, that freshman. Lord.
But this is the story of the NFL transfer doubted benched.
Trevor Lawrence's career didn't have a last night. I mean

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didn't have one. And I watched him last night and
I still think he's He's not going to drop in
the draft. This means nothing to us. Suffered a rare
and serious medical injury. They will be moving up they'll
be multiple teams moving up and scrambling and giving away
half a dozen picks to get to a who's smaller,
who's had multiple Injur's Trevor Lawrence, losing doesn't hurt his

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stock one iota. Do you remember Andrew lux losses? Nobody cares.
He's a all time transformational talent. But his career until
last night was really about comfort. And last night he
was uncomfortable and he sailed it, and he whistled it
overheads and he got whacked. He and he looked like,

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for the first time in a long time, not remotely
comfortable in the pocket. And afterwards I think he knows
it was okay. First of all, Alas, you did a
really good job. They brought a lot of pressure, they
did a good job mixing up the coverages. But just
at the end of the day, I just didn't play
well enough for us to win. You know, too many

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missed plays by me, missed a lot of receivers, and
you know, just just wasn't my name. Man. It sucks,
but you got to look back on what you've done,
and we've done. We've done some great things and we've
got a lot more in store ahead. Two great quarterbacks.
Ones headed to the NFL. One is headed to the
NFL in about a year. Just loved watching both of

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them play. The good, the bad, the ugly. What a
fun night coming out next The win by LSU was
really great for two other groups and really bad for
one other person plus Joel Klatt. That's coming up. Be
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Last night, Clemson had a very first, good first quarter,

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and then LSU was clearly clearly the better team. Couple
of calls maybe didn't go either team's way. LSU was
a better football team. I'll have more on that with
Joel Clatton ten minute. You can make an argument. I
think it's the most accomplished college football team of all time.
Is it the best? Who knows? But in terms of accomplishment,
it's the most accomplished ever, and they deserve a ton
of credit. And I'll get it into that in a second.

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They're two winners last night beyond Joe Burrow. Obviously, Joe
Burrow had a terrific night and lsu net orgeron number
one the NFL. They're not only getting and I want
you to listen to this carefully, they're not only getting
a good young quarterback who knows how good he'll be
in Cincinnati, but they're getting a great story. Listen, Baker
Mayfield played in a crappy team this year. I couldn't

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wait to watch him. I wanted to follow his story.
Sam Darnold USC the Jets were crappy. I watched because
I wanted to follow his story. Kyler Murray, his story.
College sports is a great platform for me to meet eighteen,
nineteen twenty year old kids. I wouldn't even know who

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the hell's Zion Williamson is if it wasn't for Duke.
But now I get a fall. He's gonna go to Cincinnati.
Cincinnati maybe the fourth best team in that division. Next year.
I'll be watching their games because I'm emotionally connected to
Joe Burrow and his story. I wish the NBA got this.
They don't the NFL does. College sports is your friend.

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It's free advertising. Yes, the kids have to go to
practice and play some games and go to school and
learn how to be men. But it's an amazing platform
to let me connect with you and then I eventually
watch your games and watch your commercials and buy your
ads and buy your jersey. God basketball doesn't get this.
Pro basketball doesn't get this. The other winner is the

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Cincinnati Bengals. Listen, they wanted to draft a quarterback. They
need a draft a quarterback, and this kid's from Ohio.
But if you would have gone out last night and
stunk it up, you'd be sitting there like, we need
a quarterback. Do we get Joe Burrow? There's two? Oh,
what do we do instead? Burrows? Great? He looks like
the best quarterback on the field. It's a clean night.
Cincinnati can draft him, and even if he doesn't work,

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nobody's getting fired because you'd be nuts not to draft
Joe Burrow. If you're the Cincinnati Bengals today, Burrow's gonna
go one of the Bengals. Chase Young's gonna go number
two to Washington and the Detroit Lions you're on the
clock with number three, but the loser last night because
the winners, the NFL that once again gets a good
quarterback in an awesome story, and the Bengals who now

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draft him, there's no doubters. Even if he doesn't work,
nobody gets fired. This is the kid you got a
draft the losers Baker Mayfield, and you know, I get
a lot of heat for this. You're tough on Baker,
and I'm always like you think I'm tough. Have you
played in the NFL. The defenses are a lot tougher
than me. But when you draft a quarterback, he's gotta
be ready and mature to play day one. And here's

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a prime example. This year, the AFC North was wide open.
Lamar was still a baby, Big Ben got hurt, and
the Bengals were playing Ryan Finley, but Baker was doing
twenty six commercials and was simply not mature enough to
take it over. Now, Joe Burrow enters the division with
Big Ben and Lamar, and Baker's now suddenly the fourth

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best quarterback in that division. In the NFL, you get
very very quick breaks. Todd Gurley hurt for the Rams,
Seattle pounces on it. They pound by the way, Andrew
Luck retires, Tennessee pounces on it and makes the playoffs.
You'll get these years when you get little breaks. Star

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quarterbacks hurt Big Ben, good quarterbacks hurt, Andy Dalton. Lamar
is still a baby. But Baker wasn't ready to seize it.
He had to win every argument, throw the medical staff
under a bust, and do thirty eight commercials. Joe Burrow
is not good news for Baker Mayfield. He's bigger, he's
more athletic, he looks to have the arm, and there's

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no police video. Lamar Ben, Joe Burrow, Baker, your window
was this. You're now on your third head coach in
three years. Clatten a minute, Joey Taylor with the news. No,
no turn on the news. This is the herdline news.
Edward Dron completed the perfect season, leading LSU to a

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fifteen and oh record in the national title fifteen and old.
That schedule lord incredible, and his coaching journeys had a
lot of ups and downs. He spoke after the game
about how he used all the criticism he got along
the way to motivate him. Cool people are gonna talk
talk and all that, but you can't live an effect
you you together. I use that at the internal motivation. People.

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You don't need tease me the way I talked team
me the way and when you know, it's kind of
funny the things that I was doing at Old Miss.
I'll verdicue far now I'll posted myself with John Everard
what you likes it. So I just spend where you had. Man. Listen, man,
I'm in the right place at the right time, and
a great school and a great culture staff. I have
all the resources that we need. I mean, if you've

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come to us, you just have to do it right.
And I've never been more wrong and a guy. And
I literally was I rooting for Joe Burrow or ed Orgeron.
It's tough because the two of them. I feel like
we all collectively fell in love with the two of
them this year. Yeah, and now moving forward, I mean,
you're right, but like who who was sure about the

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ed or higher That needs to be said. He went
to Ole Miss and it did not work right. So
the idea that USC would go, wait, you didn't work
at less of a program. We're gonna give you this.
It's like if you if I failed in local TV
would a syndicated radio program or go y'all take you well,
I didn't work because Ole Miss he didn't work. So

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USC was like we we've seen it before and it
but he's just he just never he never gave up,
Like he stuck with it and and and put in
his dues and now he's on top of the world.
And he's right. Sometimes it's not just necessarily that you're
not right for the job. It just might not be
the right place. Everything that he did at Old Miss,

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like he's saying he was getting teased. I mean, I
think his accent is endearing, Like I think it's perfect. Yeah,
everything he says, the great state of Louisiana, he's from there.
By the way he speaks. He speaks French, because last
night I heard him on an interview he was talking French. Yeah,
that's part of the part of the culture. Like, so
he couldn't be a more perfect figure for this team.

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The energy that he has, this style, he's from there.
He's ingrained in everything that that LSU does. And now
I'm moving forward. We have another team along with Clemson,
along with Alabama that can win a national championship, and
their style is going to be sustainable as well. It
was really really fun to watch and very easy to
root for him. So Josh McDaniels did not end up

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getting the Brown's head coaching job, and while he may
be disappointed, it could mean great things for the Patriots
because with Josh mthaniels staying, the hope in New England
is that Tom Brady will be more inclined to stay.
Because Josh McDaniels is still there, Brady would be able
to remain the same offensive system he's comfortable in and
it could be a better setup for a bounce back
season after this year's playoff exits. I sort of buy

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into this. If Josh McDaniels was going to leave, I
thought that would probably be the last thing that would
keep Tom Brady in New England. But it probably makes
it a little more difficult to leave because part of
the part of my hesitation about Tom Brady leaving it's
not that I don't think he would do well somewhere else,
Like I think he would go somewhere like the Chargers
and have success depending on what you're you know, what

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you define successes. I think they would be able. They'd
have an opportunity to get to the Super Bowl. Would
they be that great? I don't know, but it's a
lot of change, a lot. So now he's got Dante's Scarneckia,
Bill Belichick, same drive, same house, same facility. Josh McDaniels,
it's how about this. It's much easier for New England

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to go get a Mauri Cooper than to Tom Brady
to move to another thing exactly. So if if it
was going to be I'm going to stay in New England,
Josh McDaniels is here, Joe Judge isn't here. We saw
what happened last year. We've seen the consistency of them
not bringing me in superstar players. Even though I'm taking
a discount, I'm getting towards the end of my career.
But now with Josh McDaniel's there, I'm I'm kind of

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leaning towards the ends up staying in New England. So finally,
the Packers in the Niners face off against Sunday, the
trip the Super Bowl on the line. San Francisco Blue
Green Bay out thirty seven to eight when they met
in the regular season, but Kyle Shanahan is making sure
that his team doesn't overlook the Packers this time. Around.
Don't be that stupid. That's not real. It's it's about
Sunday's game. There's four teams left, and that's four very

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very good teams, and it's gonna be our hard game
for all of us. So and also our players, type
of guys they are, the way they've been all year.
It's I'm not concerned about that. I'll have to answer
that question. I'm sure a lot, but I don't think
that'll be a worry for our players, which means it
won't be for me. I couldn't agree more. I just
saw a stat this morning. The last five times Aaron

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Rodgers has lost in the playoffs, he's lost to a
team that beat him in the regular season. So this
idea that it's a huge edge for Aaron Rodgers to
face a team that beat him. No, he loses in
the playoffs to better teams that beat him earlier in
the regular season. I just don't think that the regulars
would happened in the regular season mattered like that Green
Bay team is not the same green Bay team San

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Francisco now, And that was week twelve, Like I don't
care about what happened in weeks twelve and Kyle Sanahan's right,
you should not like that is that was just forget it.
That was a different season, a different time to one
hundred percent be focused on the team that you're playing
right now, which is playing at a very high level.
Like what happened during the regular season doesn't matter to me.
I think this game is going to be closer than
people think. I mean, I've been higher in the Packers

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all year. Obviously, San Francisco's defensive line is incredible. It's
going to depend on how Aaron Jones gets going. But
I'm really looking forward to these championship games. Yeah, we're lucky.
Joy with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the third line. He's not only a
Fox NFL draft analyst and my friend, he's the lead
voice of college football, the top analyst that network. His

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name is Joel Klatt Flock Sports. Let's bring him in
on what was a marvelous season for LSU football. Congratulations
you know now, a lot of people, man, what's up
with you now? A lot of people are saying best
team ever? And I don't know, but I would say
this is Brady the best quarterback ever. He's the most productive,
he's the most honored. Yeah, accomplished, accomplished. Hey, LSU, look

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at this. This is crazy. This is this is crazy.
LSU beat Clemson, Bama, Georgia, Florida, Auburn, Texas a and
m Texas Oklahoma. Seven of those eight won a bowl game.
So it's the to me, it's the most accomplished team ever.
There's no doubt. Um, and I mean they'd be the
four teams that were the AP preseason top four. They've

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beat him by an average of twenty one points. Um.
They they did things that we just haven't seen, you know,
the seven teams that were ranked in the time ten
at the time of the game. Um, Joe Burrow put
up the statistical best season I've ever seen any of
us have ever seen, and he did it against five
teams that played in the top twenty. Defensively, that last

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night was supposed to be the number one defense in
the country. He shredded him. I mean, like literally shredded him.
He really does. I mean, and we'll get into Joe
a little bit more, But just from a team perspective, yeah,
I think that this team and what they accomplished this year,
I don't think it's out of the question at all
to put them in that oh one, Miami ninety four
Nebraska like those categories have like great teams of all time.

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This team accomplished maybe more than any other, and they
did it in dominant fashion. I've I've never seen a
college football team beat this many good teams badly, right
I can. I can say that it's the most accomplished
football team. And by the way, let me give LSU credit.
Ohio State. You hate me anyway because I pick Clemson

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over you, But there's a reason that Ohio State opened
with Clemson. They they scheduled Cincinnati. LSU, although we had
our doubts, was a number one seed because they got
on the phone and they went to Texas. Yeah, you
could you could say that, I don't I like that
LSU didn't duck anybody. They got on the phone. Well, no, no,

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we won't play at in Orlando, will go to Austin. Yeah.
And the perception of Georgia versus the perception of Wisconsin,
plus the way that the first half of the Big
Ten Championship game played out, I think gave the committee
kind of that path right to put LSU number one.
I always believe college football's got too many saturdays where

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I got a powerhouse up twenty nine nothing at half. Sure,
I will always if you give me an option. LSU
and I like Nick Saban, but he manipulates the schedule
all player in Orlando. Yeah, he doesn't want to go
to anywhere. LSU got on the phone and said we'll
go face along horns. Yeah. I love that about LSU
and even at Ozer on top about the fact of

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not just for the committee and in the overarching, you know,
pantheon of college football, but what that meant for him
and his team. He talked about the third and seventeen
and he said, at that moment, I knew we had
the players to win a championship. I thought that was
a really interesting answer in the in the postgame interview.
Now there is in hindsight people are like USC passed
on ed Orgeron. Um, I'm not sure if I I mean,

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I don't agree with that sentiment. I mean, if you
don't mind me jumping in right now, here's the deal,
Like when when we look at this is the same
notion of like everybody passed on Brady, Like Brady would
have had the same exact career if he would have
been drafted by somebody else, and that's not necessarily the case.
Ed Ozeron fits perfectly at LSU. And remember, now all

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of us have this, this story right, and this lineage
to our careers and the path of our careers. And
sometimes you need the failures, you need to be passed
over so that you have that introspective look to get better.
And at ed Oderon has talked about the fact that
he had to look at himself and say, why didn't
I get the USC job? You know what? What was

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it about my interview, my philosophy. So everything that he's
been through in his career made him who he was
last night. And so I don't want to be revisionists
in our history that this would have happened regardless of
who hired him. That's not necessarily the case. This is
a perfect fit. He went through all of those lessons
and he's become a great football coach for LSU. At

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this moment, I don't think that he would have done
this at USC, quite frankly, because and this is what
USC fans failed to realize when they get on their
keyboards and they start blasting their own school about ce
we passed on this guy. We would have been national champions. No,
you wouldn't have because the whole place is a mess. Yeah,
you're a mess at president, you're a mess at athletic director,
and that affected your head football coach. So At Oderon

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would have been a product of that dysfunction if he
would have gotten the job at USC. Don't you understand
that the dysfunction is why USC's program is where it's at.
It's not necessarily just because you didn't hire At Ozeron. Okay, listen,
I like Trevor Lawrence, and I think he's going to
be a better pro I do. I know everybody's overreacting
that does not happen on this show, the Show of

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American Record, but I do think I will say this.
I was texting general managers, as I'm prone to do,
and they both of them said this last night, Joe
Burrow gets better every time I see him. Yes, And
I'll tell you something. Joy liked him way earlier than
I did. My whole thing was, yeah, he's an NFL quarterback.
I'm not sure he's a number one quarterback. And I
watched that game last night and I'm like, all right,

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I can I can pick him number one? He's absolutely
a number one. Okay, Three things that I want to
get into. Okay, specifically about these going to yell at me, No,
I don't think so, because I don't disagree with that. Okay,
I don't disagree with that to a certain extent. My
first element. Okay, three things, here we go. Number One,
if Lawrence were to be coming out this year and

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we had the Manning Leaf style debate, which one would
you take? If I were the Cincinnati Bengals. I think
I would have to take Joe Burrow. He just had
the best season we've ever we've ever had from a quarterback,
I mean, the single best season. Look at what he accomplished.
We've got all these accomplishments we can put up on
this graphic. Most passing touchdowns in a season in an

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FBS history, most TV's responsible for, most pass yards in
a title game, most tds responsible for in a title game.
Only player in the SEC history to throw four thousand
and forty played five of the top twenty scoring defenses. Again,
Colt Brennan had the touchdown record before it was fifty eight.
He played at Hawaii. I know Colt. Colt was originally
a freshman at Colorado and he played, we were in

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the same quarterback room, and then he transferred out to Hawaii.
He wasn't playing SEC defenses all right. So Burrow did
this against some of the best competition that this sport
has to offer. It was the best single season that
we've ever seen. And I think I would have to
take him number one for two reasons. One is his
comparison throughout history of who he reminds me and a
lot of others of. And also when you look at

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the origins of the offense that he's in and where
he would be going to in Cincinnati, let's unpack both
of those. All right, lots to get into here. First,
let's talk about the origins of the offense. Joe Brady
comes from the New Orleans Saints and pairs with Ensminger,
and what do they do? They have this West Coast
style New Orleans Saints offense. That's the Saints offense right there. Yeah,
the origins of that offense via Sean Payton, are in

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the West Coast system, the old West Coast system with
Bill Walsh, not to a t, but the origins of
the offense. So you're thinking about things like philosophy, protection, philosophy,
some terminology, the overall conceptual nature of how they teach
route structure and teach the quarterbacks how to read it. Well,
guess what Zach Taylor is at Cincinnati. His origins are

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in the West Coast System. So this fit is actually
better for Burrow in Cincinnati than it would be for
Lawrence in Cincinnati. Zach Taylor really cut his chops and
cut his teeth under Sean McVay, who cut his chops
under the Shanahan's and the Grudens of the world, which
are West Coast System guys. If fit has everything to
do with it when it comes to quarterbacks and their

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NFL franchise, at least schematically, this is as good of
a fit as you can possibly have. It's a guy
that run an NFL offense in college, and he can
run very similar offense in the NFL. Now, we can
talk about the organization all we want. I'm just talking
about schematic fit and maybe coaching fit there. Now the
last thing, are you ready? All right? I've been trying
to come up with a comparison for Joe Burrow, and

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there's not a current quarterback that you can compare him too,
and so I started calling around. I called Daniel Jeremiah,
who I trust quite a bit. I called a bunch
of different scouts, old and young, and the old guys
and DJ backs me up on this, and we just
talked about it ten minutes ago in the car. You
know who Joe Burrow is, Joe Montana coming out of

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Notre Dame. It's eerily similar. Played basketball, good basketball player,
good basketball player, throws a ridiculously catchable ball. Have you
ever noticed that it just like floats right into the
hands of the one he listened. He throws a beautiful
I was also talking to NFL people last night of
significant and they all said, God, is he throw a

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nice deep ball, great footwork, he's he never got rattled
in the pocket, cool Joe, right like Joe Montana never
got rattled in the pocket. Clemson did a better job
than maybe anybody all year of trying to rattle him,
getting pressure in his space sacks. And guess what happened
in the second half. No effect, Yeah, no effect whatsoever.

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Still stepping up in the pocket, still delivering absolutely beautiful
passes down the field outside the numbers, inside the numbers
to the second and third wide receiver in the progression
to the first guy in the progression anticipating throws, throwing
guys open. This guy coming out. It's best comparison is
Joe Montana. Look at his feet. One hitch step balls out.

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He looked off to say, do you bang right on? Don't?
I don't think it's crazy. I mean, he's uh, listen,
it's I've totally come around. If I had to pick
between Lawrence and Burrow right now, I would have to
take Burrow. Lawrence has some work to do. He waited
on throws. He was high on throws. Laws faced LSU athletes.
They're pretty good. Second, well, I think there was fifty
second in past. They played good quarterback last night face

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the best defense in the country. The other one didn't,
and the one that faced the best defense in the
country had a better game. Yeah, not coach Dogue like this.
I'm just saying, were coming, were coming face now dominate. Uh, finally,
you're you're gonna like that one. I know you're all
you're all about Lawrence, but you have to adjust after
last night. You have to adjust that. I don't adjust

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after if I had to batton with my wife, do
I walk home and think I gotta adjust. I gotta
get rid of her. I just didn't work thout. You know,
you always try to make these marital analogies. Be right
on for this one. Every piece of film matters, okay,
and I have been a staunch Trevor Lawrence is one
of the best prospect supporters. Now you're I'm not bailing.
He's still gonna be a great prospect. But after last

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night and through the body of work this year, Joe
Burrow is the better prospect right now. He's also two
or three years older. Matters. So Rogers didn't start playing
in the NFL and there it was twenty five. Brady
had to sit a couple of years. They're doing just fine.
Drew Brees is eighty seven years old. I mean literally,
you have it. Literally, you have a bad omelet and
you want you want to move out of the house. Listen,

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I'm gonna adjust. If the Swiss ain't cutting it, I'm
gonna go with Bree goof ball. Hey, by the way,
we got you know, I don't have time to go
to it. I was gonna do something. By the way,
that targeting stuff, you and I agree with. Targeting got
to adjust. College football do the right thing, create two
different elements of targeting. Yeah, can keep guys in the game. Yeah,
by the way, you can penalize guy. Sure, you can't

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throw a college kid out because in a bang bang play.
It's listen the NFL. Listen. Sometimes college football does some
stuff great and sometimes the NFL does. NFL's got this right.
We're gonna penalize you, and you better not do it again.
This is a bang bang play. You give him a
fifteen yard penalty, you're throwing him out of a game.

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There's no reason to both Sean Wade for Ohio State
and here with Clemson, they both wrapped up. Listen, letter
the law, I get it. Penalize them, yes, but it's
like rolling through a stop sign. Why are we putting
people in jail for rolling through a stop sign? Just
like if they were driving two hundred and seventy five
miles an hour on the highway. Those are not equatable.
Don't eject a player for making a football play. You

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can penalize. I'm sure, stop walking him into the locker room.
It's just ridiculous. Come on, college football, Joel, let's hear
Joel brought energy to that's here for Joel. I thought,
Joel really brought some good energy today, Urban Meyer. Remember
of the Dallas Cowboys coming up next hour, all sorts
of good stuff, lots of stuff. Yeah, coming up next
the Josh McDaniels is coming back to New England, and

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some thoughts on how much of a market there really
is for Tom Brady after watching what I saw last
night and over the last couple of weeks in college,
I'd hire him. Just if you want to ask, I'd
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save ten percent deductible may apply. So you know, there's
a lot of late bloomers in life, and Joe Burrow
is certainly one of those. And I'll talk more about
Joe Burrow topping next hour. Urban Meyer's coming up as well.
Let me talk though about New England. Josh McDaniels did

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not get any of these jobs, did not even get
an interview for anybody outside of Cleveland. Now I've got
my own personal opinion on this. I did not think
he was a good fit in Cleveland, and I think
when he did what he did to the Colts, it
did not do his reputation any good. I think he
is laying kiffen. You'll love him or you hate him.
And there's a lot of NFL people that will never

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touch Josh McDaniels because what he did to the Colts
and Chris Ballard, and Chris Ballard is close with Andy Reid,
and everybody in this league loves Andy Reid. But it
does matter that he's coming back to New England, as
Joyce said, because I do think he matters more to
Tom Brady and New England right now than any other team.
And I had said during the year that if Brady

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hit the market, there would be a lot of suitors.
But one of the things I like about my job
is evolved grow watch stuff. I sit and watch games
all weekend, all day. I get new information. And I've
said before, if I was a pilot and you were
on my plane and I got new information there's a
lightning storm coming, I would take it and turn right
and avoid the lightning storm. If I was a doctor

(35:33):
and had your son or daughter on the table and
had new medicine that could help them, I would use it.
And in sports, I don't stick to opinions if I
get new information. I thought Brady had a bad December.
I thought he looked tired. He is forty three at best,
marginally athletic, and now expensive and kind of stuck in
his ways. I watched Joe Burrow, and I watched Tuah,

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and I watched Justin Herbert, who was very good in
the Rose Bowl. And I see Trevor Lawrence and I
watch Justin Fields, and I think to myself, is there
really a market for Tom Brady? I don't know. You know,
I've said this before about Russell Westbrook. The league is
trending away from Russell Westbrook, who's having his worst statistical
season in a decade. It is a shooters league, and

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he does a lot well, but he doesn't shoot. The
league is trending away from Tom Brady, old, expensive and
not capable of great mobility as offensive lines fail. That's
not where the league is going. So ask yourself, what
is the market. We've got three new bad teams who
will solve their quarterback issue. Since he's getting Burrow write

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it down. Miami's probably getting Tuah and then the Chargers
or Carolina will move right up, not back to get
Justin Herbert. I think all three after watching Burrow the
last couple of weeks, I think all three are going
to work in the NFL. In fact, there's a new
trend happening in football, which is awesome if you're a
pro football fan or a college fan. There's almost no

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first round quarterback bus anymore. Josh Rosen, it hasn't worked.
Paxton Lynch was a bust. Outside of that, the last
fifteen like thirteen or like, you can win games. Second
round guys, third round guys, you can win games. The
NFL is adopting more of the college principles. It is
allowing for much greater success and a much greater hit

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rate for quarterbacks. They're not only working in the NFL now,
they're working fast, like they're working fat. Josh Allen's like, oh,
he's a playoff quarterback. Lamar Jackson's gonna be MVP. So
they're not just not just working, they're working quickly. And
I'm watching Burrow He's gonna work pretty soon, and Trevor
Lawrence will work. And two is gonna work. And Justin Herbert,
he got better than the last two games against Utah Wisconsin.

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He's gonna work. And I'd ask you who wants a
forty three year old quarterback that's expensive. The game's moving
away from him, and you haven't. You have a quarterback deficit,
So you say Jaguars. No, No, Nick Foles is making
twenty two million. You don't have any space. Warm Well,
the Raiders, they got there a car. Come on, let's

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let's move past. Derek Carr's good, he's gonna stay. He's
gonna stay in Oakland. And then I start looking around
and I think to myself, Chicago, No, they cantinue to
pretend that Mitch Rubisky's their guy. Also, remember twenty seven
year old Teddy Bridgewaters on the market. I like Teddy Bridgewater.
I would have no problem if I was a team,
you know, out there, like the Colts. I get Teddy Bridgewater,

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and then I would draft a couple of quarterbacks behind him.
I don't think he's a ten year guy, but he's
twenty seven. He's smart, he learns a playbook, he doesn't
make any mistakes. He doesn't win all the games for you,
But he almost never loses a game. For you, But
what's the market now for Brady? The more I think
about it, the more I watch college football, the more
I see all these young quarterbacks working, the more I
watch the trends of the league, I don't think there's

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a huge market for him. And he's getting his center back.
I read that story yesterday. He's getting Josh McDaniels back.
You know, they've got some cap space. It's a fair
young team in certain spots. It's expensive in others like
Stefan Gilmore and old in others. But I think it's
much easier for New England to go out and get
Amari Cooper than it is for Tom Brady to go

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into a new city that was a little bit rigid,
a little bit expensive. Unless you have a great offensive
line like the Colts, that seems like a good fit
for me. I don't think it works. I mean, I
think the Colts is the one I kind of think works.
Offensive line, smart, respected coach, good GM ready to win now.
I don't think Gizelle is going to say let's move

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the family to Indianapolis. I think she's tolerating Boston, tolerating it.
She's a supermodel would rather live in Miami Los Angeles.
I just don't think there's much of a market. I
think I think it's drying up. I really do. And
I think New England's the place for him. Coming up next,
we'll call it Joe versus over the next ten years

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Burrow or other options? Have I changed that much on him?
Plus Erwin Meyers Around the corner to the Herd one
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I absolutely believe that Urban Meyer stopped by today the

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Bay is going to be joining us. That is next hour.
It's great to have you in on a Tuesday. Congrats
to LSU the national champs. Joy Taylor is joining me. Joy,
how are you? I am fabulous. It was a great game.
Last night was remarkable. My Tiger. It's not exactly LSU
purple a little bit. You know. I got my Tiger

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stripes on today. So you know, I've said this all year.
I when Andrew luck was in college, I was like,
sophomore year, I'm like number one pick. Trevor Lawrence. I
think he's great. I think he's a transformational talent, all
time talent. I don't look at last night and worry
about anything. Good. Lord, folks, people lose college games all
the time. Tom Brady lost a few. Trevor Lawrence is great.

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But Joe Burrow somebody that you know, none of us
thought he was going to be this in September. Most
of us didn't think he was going to be this
in October. A few of you did in November, many
of you did in December, and now January we're like, yeah,
he looks like a number one pick. He got better
and better and better, and he's an older kid and
he's been around and it's five years, but it's like
he got better, better, better, better, better better. So I

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think he's a legitimate number one pick today. But the
question becomes how much do I like him? So I
like to give my opinions on stuff, and then if
I'm wrong, you can call me out. Never afraid of
being wrong, don't give a rip about it. So I'll
just size up. We're gonna play a game called Joe
Versus over the next ten years. This is over a decade. Now.
Would I rather have Joe Burrow or who Joy Taylor offers? You?

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Ready to go? I'm ready, all right, here we go. Okay?
Would you rather have Joe Burrow or Lamar Jackson? That's easy.
I'd rather have Lamar Jackson. He is a unique athletic talent.
He also has the Ravens organization behind him, and Joe
Burrow will have the Bengals organization, meaning Baltimore tends to
draft better players and have better coaches. So I would

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take Lamar Jackson because I think who your coach is
and who your owner is and who your GM is matters.
Would you rather have Burrow or Baker? I think Burrow
is a better prospect. I think he's bigger, I think
he's more athletic. I think he throws a better deep ball.
He doesn't have silly videos with law enforcement. I don't
think there's any question that Burrows a better prospect. If
you ask NFL GMS today about who's a better prospect,

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it's Joe Burrown, Burrow or Big Ben. Okay, it's ten years.
I would take Joe Burrow again. I think Big Ben
is going to come back. There have been stories this
year that he's not sure. I mean a lot of
people are, like the injuries worse than you think. So
I think Ben's got about two years left in the league.
Would you rather have Burrow or Tom Brady? That's Joe
Burrow again. I think Burrow's actually a better prospect than

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Tom was. And he's also, you know, twenty three instead
of forty three. Right, Tom's got maybe two years left.
It's remarkable he's twenty years younger than I mean, he's
gonna be playing in the same league as Tom Brady.
Would you rather have Joe Burrow or Deshaun Watson. It's
a tricky question because one is a world class athlete
and one is with Houston, which is hard to get

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your arms around. They keep winning their division, but are
they well run. I'd probably go to Shaun Watson because
I think he has a quality. Burrow's good at a
lot of stuff. What is he great at? Deshaun is
a great playmaking quarterback. Deshaun Would you rather have Joe
Burrow or Patrick Mahomes? Not real tough Mahomes is the
best quarterback talent over the next ten years? Burrow or

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Derek Carr. Burrow is a bigger quarterback. I think he's
a more at at quarterback. It's not an easy one
because I like Derek Carr more than anybody else. But
I don't think Gruden's gonna bail on him, and I
think I think Gruden and Mayock have drafted well. So
Derek's got some good pieces around him. But I think
the Bengals have some interesting offensive pieces. So I would

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take slightly Burrow here. What about Joe Burrow or Carson Wentz?
Not close? Wentz his bigger, stronger, better arm. I think
Wentz is an all time talent. He's been beat up.
But if you didn't watch, if you watch Burrow in
the last three or four games of this year, folks,
he put a I'm Joe. I mean he put a
AAF team on his shoulders and carried them into the playoffs.

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Wentz is a phenomenal quarterback talent. Would you rather have
Joe Burrow or Dak Prescott. I'll come back to that one.
May come back to that one. Hey, Would you rather
have Joe Burrow or Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones I whiffed
on him. I watched him in college. I didn't think

(44:57):
he was special, and then I watched him in the NFL,
and I'm like, he's special. He's a really good athlete.
They're very Actually, they're very similar. I missed on Daniel Jones.
I saw him in college and I did not think
he was spectacular, and I made a big mistake. And
I think the Giants are ready. I actually do. If
this coach can coach, I think they're ready to pop.
I think they have some good players. I like Daniel Jones,
but I'm gonna go Burrow there. Would you rather have

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Burrow or Aaron Rodgers. Aaron's gonna play for probably six
to seven more years. As far as arm talent, not close.
Aaron's also one of the smartest guys. It's gonna take
Burrow while I mean, let's be honest, he struggled last
year at LSU. It's gonna take him a while to
figure out the NFL system. So Aaron easily Joe Burrow
or Kirk Cousins. This is an easy one. I take Burrow.
I think Burrows a better prospect. You know, I mean

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he's we forget it's about Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins is
six one and a half. You know, he's not a
big guy with not a big arm, and he's not
overly athletic. He's surrounded by a ton of great players.
But Burrows a better prospect. How about Joe Burrow or
his hero Drew Brees Burrow because Breese has about one
or two years left. That seems like an easy one.
Would you rather have Joe Burrow Matt Ryan? Well, do

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I think Burrow's ever gonna be a top ten quarterback
in the league? No, I don't never. No, I think
he's gonna be a good player. I don't think he's
a top ten quarterback. Matt Ryan's top ten quarterback. So
I'd take Matt Ryan top ten quarterback. Is look at
all the great players? Good God, who's moving out. He
just had the best statistical season in college football history.

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Baker Mayfield won the Heisman. I don't know that. Would
you rather have Joe Burrow or Jimmy Garoppolo. I like Garoppolo.
Garoppolo's got Kyle Shanahan and George Kittle. That may be
the best young coach and the best young tight end.
I got. So Jimmy's pieces are elevating. Listen, you're asking
me next ten years. I know what I'm getting from Jimmy.
I get Kyle Shanahan, Kyle Shanahanaman Matt Ryan, the MVP.

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I mean, we gotta be honest about this stuff. It's
not just your talent. Who's elevating it? Yeah, I mean
where you go and who's I mean, you don't think
John Peyton has helped Drew Brees. Kyle Shanahan guarantease. Garoppolo's
a pro bolder. I mean, he guarantees it for the
next ten years. He's gonna have multiple Pro Bowls. Joe
Burrow or your favorite, Russell Wilson not close. Russell's the

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best football player in America. That was an easy way
for you. Would you rather have Joe Burrow? Or Jared Goff.
All right, so Joe Burrow get Zach Taylor, Jared Goff
gets his mentor Sean McVeigh. And by the way, the
Rams have shown an ability to get free agent Cincinnati
hasn't Rams draft well again, I get Sean McVay with
Jared Goff, you get Zach Taylor and Joe Burrow. And

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by the way, a cheap owner and an organization that
is old school, and they're drafting and scouting. They don't
have a bingals, don't have a huge scouting department. They
tend to be like one of these teams that never
moves around in the draft. They just if they have
six picks, they make six picks. Rams are playmakers and
deal makers during the draft. They're gonna get better players
around him. Would you rather have Joe Burrow or Kyler Murray?

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Kyler Murray, Connor Murray's fantastic. Nobody watched him play this year.
Knlor Murray's fantastic. I love watching him. I think he's
the next Russell Wilson. He's a baseball player. He's slides
you'll never get hurt. I think Tyler Murray, none of
you guys are watching him. I live right next to Arizona,
so I watch Arizona. I think Kyler Murray is special.
I'm gonna go with Burrow there. Would you rather have

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Burrow or Tua? Two? Ohs? Drew Brees two is a
better he's a better prospect, He's not. You guys are
going crazy on this. First of all, I've not gone crazy.
I've been on Burrow for a long time now. I've
always liked Burrow more than Tua. Would you rather have
Joe Burrow or Trevor Lawrence? Not even closed? Even closed,
Trevor Lawrence is the best quarterback since Andrew Locke in

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college he lost, not close though. Lawrence is bigger, he's faster,
he's got a cannon. But I think we're just going crazy.
I think where it's it's overreacting Tuesday. I'm not overreacting.
I've been very consistent. All right, let's revisit it. You
wanted to want another go at it, Joe Burrow or
Dak Prescott. I think okay, let's consider everything. Okay, O Line,

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Mike mccarth, the Zeke if they over the next ten years,
I'm I think I'm taking Dak das right now. Do
we think Mike McCarthy's better than Jason Garrett I am.
I've always been high on Dak, so this is a
this is tough for me, but I really am all
in on Joe Burrow. So it's like a da Holy Crow.

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I'll say this though, I will say this, Obviously, we're
considering all factors, and the Bengals are the number one
factor in where I mean, where you go really determines
whether you're going to be successful, and they have a
lot of most part unless something happens Drew Brees ask
you know, and you wind up somewhere else. So somewhere
in my crazy mind, I'm a Matt I'm living in
this temporary fantasy land where the Dolphins are going to
trade like three other picks and move up and get

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Joe Burrow and Cincinnati's gonna move down. It's Jack against
McCauley Culkin. I like Dak. I got nothing against Joe Burrow.
But you're putting up You're putting up Jimmy Garoppolo and
Dak of one playoff game. I mean, over the next
ten years, we're projecting what's going to happen. Like Jared
Goff is a classic. Everybody now hates Jared Goff. He's

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got shot in a deal making GM that they're willing
to do anything to win in LA. I am one
thousand percent in on Joe Burrow. The only issue I have,
which is a major issue obviously, is it's the Bengals
that's a real concern. Is he good enough to overcome
the Bengals? Might be. I don't think he's the kind
of talent that can overcome average. Now Baker had to

(50:32):
overcome total dysfunction. I mean, I don't really think there's
anybody that could overcome what happened with the Browns. But
I think you need a special player to overcome kind
of man and Cincinnati's kind of mass scouting mad. I
think the Burrow is special. All right, Well, there you go,
Joe versus and I put my name on all of
them so you people on the internet can like freeze
frame all those when Burrows a thirty eight time pro

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bowler at nine Super Bowl rings. Love that? I love that.
Coming up next, Xavier Woods, Dallas Cowboys Safety's gonna join
us in studio. Oliver Locke, DeForest Buckner of the forty
nine ers, Urban Meyer stopping by today. Congrats to LSU
more on that. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Herd weekdays in noon Easter nine am Pacific on
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headed to Miami starting on Monday, January twenty seventh. The
Herd and all of our FS one shows will be
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FS one super Bowl Week is live from Miami and
it's just two weeks away. Cowboys safety Zavier Woods a
couple of interceptions. Third year with a team twenty nine

(51:42):
star to took pleasure to have you look at that
picture behind you of Miami. That is slick, is it not?
While you plan a great city in Dallas. This young
man from Monroe, Louisiana right, never liked LSU never you
were a Georgia fans. That was definitely room for l
S yesterday man, just for the home stake. It's great

(52:04):
for Louisiana. We haven't won anything in a long time.
A lot of teams been then stay down things, throw
the shot there, but win and You've never been out
of the state until the Cowboys drafted yet, correct, how
about that never been thirty minute college, thirty minutes down
the road from West Monroe. So I mean just to
bi in Rustings just as big as well, I'm from

(52:25):
small country. Let's I want to talk about the Cowboys
for a second. Let's start with this. There is a
perception didn't take your time on this. Jerry Jones hovers
over the program as a Cowboy for three years. Avier.
How often do you really truly see Jerry? You see
Jerry all the time, but Jerry is not talking to

(52:45):
the team. He meets with the team no more than
three times a year. Three times a year, uh, beginning
of the year. The exit means he spoke to us
beginning of the year. Exit means. And then he'll speak
sometimes after game, after a winner, after a loss, and
then he's at practice. It doesn't talk. He just overseen.
You see him around the building. Other than that, just

(53:07):
the media has has betrayed him as just controlling. I'm
just here. I'm speaking to the team every day, but
it's not really like that. Did you get along with
Jason Garrett? If so, why that's my guy? You can't
find me personally. I love him as a team just
locker room talk. You can't find a handful of guys
that doesn't like him. He's a player's coach, the players

(53:28):
coach personality. Your personality is it rubs off on you
the right way. There's a rubout. Very optimist, yes, very optimistic.
He expects greatness. Lu uh and just the guy believed
in me. He drafted me a couple of rounds late,
but he dropped me nonetheless. And I'm lawyer to it.
I'm lawyer to a person that never leaved to me

(53:49):
to this day. Man. Of course, he's a leader, so
he's gonna be the scapegoat for what happened with the team,
my downfall, but I believe the ones not just on him,
but on us as well. You gotta take responsibility for
we gotta take responsible before we did, and he does too.
Mike McCarthy met him, What do you know? I haven't
met him yet. I hope to me him so I

(54:10):
know he's a winner a lot of games. He's kind
of different from he kind of different from Jason Garrett.
Just the stories I've heard from teammates, I mean players
on the Packers they loved him too as well, So
I mean, I expect great things. This new energy in
the building. Definitely got new coaches, new defensive coaches. Really
only two coaches left from the old staff, so it's

(54:30):
this new energy. Hopefully they breathe something different in us.
You know, I've said I didn't. I watched Dak Prescott
in college, and I said it during the time. I said,
he reminds me of a better throwing tebow. There's something
about him. He's tough, He's throwing motion isn't perfect, it's
not totally fluid, but he had a tebow quality where
there was leadership stuff like he got banged up a

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lot of Mississippi State. They didn't have a great offensive
line around him, and he took shots and he never
got hurt. And then he goes to Dallas and he
shocks the world, and he shocked me. I'm like, I
don't even know what I'm watching. Yep. I didn't think
he was gonna work in the NFL. But there's something
about um. The mannerisms, uh, the EQ, the emotional intelligence.

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He's a leader. So that's what I see when you're
with him every day. It feels like he's he's like
an alpha like guys like him, what is what is
your correspondence with him? Like? So there's different types of
alpha alphas that are aggressive, that do things to where
they're for public. Then you have alpha's that in private

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you respect him so much, so much more than alpha's
that do things for public or for the media. And
we respect him so much. And he goes through so
much in practice or the injuries that he has that
you guys don't know about, and the way he leads,
the way that the leader like that you follow, you
listen to. And so he's a phenomenal leader. Phenomenal and
that's a testament of his heart, his faith. You can't

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measure those things. Yeah, I'd like to hear that he
sounds like a good dude. We think he's a good dude,
and then you confirm he's a good dude. Definitely. So
I'm gonna talk about as we get into the playoffs
some of the quarterbacks you faced this year. This is
Xavier Woods, Cowboys safety, three years now with the Cowboys.
So let me talk about you've faced Aaron Rodgers this year.

(56:19):
Take my audience. What's it like to face him? Hey, guys, Hey, guys. Phenomena.
They guys, one of the best quarterback. Guy is the
best quarterback. Every face the throwers he makes. As I say,
I'm reading him the whole game, right, so I'm playing
games with him. He's playing games with me. He won
that battle bye a lot. The way he looks off,

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the way he's just releases about as quick as you
ever every sealed quarterback. He's release. So it's hard to
get a good read on him. But many guy's phenomenon.
Hey guys, one of the greatest. Okay, I love Carson Wentz.
My audience is hit and mess. You faced Carson Wentz
more than once about him. The first game, we can

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actually we can pressure got to him so and turnovers,
so it relied on him heavily. So it wasn't really
a run game run game compliment. Any quarterback don't care
what you say. So it really out on him. Man,
he just couldn't get the job done. Man, defense plays Spectacler.
That day, we turned the ball over, We got the
ball to the offense on their side of the fifty
three times. That's uh, that's that we're gonna win. So

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what about the second game he was firing, He's firing,
firing all said in this run game as well too.
Arm is good. Armor is good. I mean that game
man a beat us with greg Ward Arst was hurt. Uh.
He did with backups. So that was all on him.

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That was all on him. I love Sam Donald. He
undressed you guys this year. It was incredible. So my
audience pushes back, what Sam Donald like Sam Dahn was
firing that day. So he had came, he had played
a couple of games. He had played a couple of games,
like the first two games of the year. They had
Mino and he was out for I want to say,

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a stretch and going into we didn't really know the
game playing, but we didn't even know who we were
going to expect. The scheme offense. It was different from
the quarterback they had previous and he came out. They
had momentum, they were firing. I mean, they had just
had energy that they did the previous show on those
other games. Um, Tom Brady, you faced him. It was

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kind of if I recall, it was kind of a
low scoring You got your way with him a little bit.
What did you make a Brady? First off, he's one
of the greatest two respect to him. Uh, Dolphriends just
wasn't It wasn't what it was previous and previous years
they just really only had Element and it's really pitching
cats with them too. And you stopped Element and stop

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those backs, and you stopped them. We couldn't do it.
I mean, be haled him till I wanted to say,
I want, I don't know. It was a low scoring game,
but uh, it's a defense phenomena the day too. They
was out on the defense the entire year and sometimes
you have to do that. Uh. Xavier Woods joining US
Cowboys safety. So seasons over for you, Um, what do

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you do? You got a new coach in Mike McCarthy,
you have new defensive coaches. What do you do for
the next month? Rehab your body? You know, go to Mexico,
go back to Louisiana. Do you stay in Dallas? Are
you grinding it? What does an NFL player do when
the season's over. You're not in the playoffs? Your next
thirty days, next thirty Uh, first, take care of your body,

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spend time with my family, h my girl, my wife,
and go home to Louisiana sometimes and just just rest.
I would say rest. I mean We've been through a lot.
We play our bodies through a lot ever since, ever
since March. Starting March, you go throughout a whole year.
It's a lot for your body. So you just take
I take three three three weeks to a month off,

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just recover, and then I get ready, I go, I
go hard and I work. I'll go hard. So I
need that time to just rest and I just get
my ma r and then once I get back into it,
a minute a minute until we finish again. By the way,
Joe Burrow was very good last night. But as you know,
sometimes a guy can be a great college player and
then it just doesn't translate in the NFL. You're watching

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Joe Burrow, does he look like an NFL due to you,
he does. It's a scheme that he's in. That's an
NFL scheme, and that's he played NFL defense yesterday. Yeah,
and that looked pretty good. It looked pretty good to
me yesterday. That was a nice deep ball, nice deep ball.
Nice you can say quarterbacks throw receives open, and he

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definitely did that. Yeah. Well, good luck to you. It's
great to meet you. I can't believe I met a
young man from Monroe Louisiana and he is not an
LSU fan by the way, But you how far has
been Roe from New Orleans. That's about four and a
half four and a half hours. So did you go
to New Orleans A lot? Oh yeah, oh yeah, Western
Row My high school WADNA state championship throughout my four years,

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so yes, I stay at home. So do they play
the state championship in ye? Okay? You got good food there.
I don't know if amazing all way throughout Louisiana. And
they have also the thing about New Orleans. If you've
never been, their joys going there this weekend it's her birthday.
The thing about New Orleans that's great. In Los Angeles,
every waiter's an actor, so they don't really care. And

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then you go to New York and it's so expensive
they're trying to turn the tables over. If you go
to New Orleans, you walk into the restaurant, you are
there for the night. There's nobody hurrying you. There's something
about the hospitality of Louisiana, just sudden hospitality. I mean
I still say yes and man have no sir to
this day, no matter who you up in the a's

(01:01:41):
order than me. I still say, it's just a studden hospitality,
which is raised definitely. By the way. You went to
the same high school as Andrew Whitworth. Oh yeah, left
tackle la Rams Ye. Now he's older than you. Yeah,
so he was a legend by the time you got there. Yeah,
he was already a staple. He was already his name
was already imprinted. Yeah, and I got that good dude,
by the way, Yeah, amazing thought. Yeah, great scene, you

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great meeting. Yeah, thank you, thank you all for having me.
You bet George title with the news, No, no turn
on the news. This is the herd Line news. Well,
sticking with that game last night, Joe Burrow lived at
least up to my expectations. Four hundred and sixty three
passing yards, five passing touchdowns, one rushing touchdown against Clemson,
number one defense in the country. Now, after the game,

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he enjoyed the feeling of winning in front of the
team's hometown fans. This is what I wanted to do
from the time I was five years old, was host
Poices Trophy and bringing it back to Louisiana. I guess
we're in Louisiana, but staying in Louisiana, we weren't going
to let someone come in here and steal this from us.

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In our home state. We have a great, great fan
base that came out and supported us. We're going to
keep this thing right here. I really think it's strange
that you aren't as high on Joe Burrow. I like him.
You guys got him as alway I like him. I
want to be very clear, I'm done comparing these guys
coming into the draft to paula fame, legendary NFL one

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hundred quarterbacks. I just think it's ridiculously unfair. I think
like even Baker getting compared to Russell Wilson, It's like,
who's calm down and give him a couple of years.
There are some characteristics, sure, but overall, just besides the way.
And I've been on Joe Brow for a long time,
but what I like about Joe Brow, other than the
way that he plays, are his intangibles. Like he is,

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he's got a little swag, He's not a little ye rogers. No,
he's no a little confidence to him, which I like.
But he has a little character to him. But he
also is really good at the mic. Yeah, and I
think they I think here's what I would say, so,
when I look at a prospect, I'm looking at size,
I'm looking at I'm looking at arm I'm looking at intangibles.

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I look at what are you great at? Like Trevor
Lawrence size A plus, arm A plus didn't play well
last night because I'll likes she's really good. I would
say Tua is a B plus prospect close to an A.
Burrow and Justin Herbert are in the B to B
plus category as prospect. What I know, we don't even
know if Jo can play well. If he can play,

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he's an A mine A prospect. Look to me, one
Burrow has great footwork. I will say that he has
great footwork and he is very accurate. Those are two
things about his aunt like literal football things that I
love about him. I understand there's a lot of great
things around him. The other thing I like about Burrows
what you've been saying all day he gets better every
time to watch him. Yeah, No, he's way better today

(01:04:34):
than what he was in September. Right, and people sing, oh,
like he's been so much better than last year, Like,
aren't you supposed to be better than last year? How
is that a negative? Aren't you supposed to get better.
If you do five thousand shows and you're just as
good as you were when you started, you're you're not
very good. You're not very good when you have terrible
people around you. So I like that he gets better
every single time. I'm I'm very high on him. Again,

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I just think that it's the Bengals that are going
to be the issue. That's what I think. And I
don't think he He's gifted enough to take the Bengals
to huge heights where I can make an argument that
Burrow is a better prospect than Garoppolo, But I know
Garoppolo for ten years is gonna have Kyle Shanahan where
you go absolutely matters. I totally agree. I do think
he is talented enough, okay, to elevate the Bengals and

(01:05:18):
make them competitive and with a few changes, and if
the organization gets behind him, who knows, maybe he's the
one that can take them to the next level. But
the other thing I do like that I saw last
night was he took a big shots. Yeah, he went
went right through it, did not. I Mean they asked
him about it, like how you know what happens? He's like,
it's just not an option. Yet the Ribs. Yes, and

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you're gonna need that if you go to the Bengals,
you're playing in the AFC noor if it's a rough
division and their old line stinks. So I like that
about him, But I do think we got to mention also,
we have to mention Clyde Edward Telaer, who had an
incredible game. He's rushing, he's a really interesting player. He is.
He had an excellent game last night. So and he
was a big part of their offense. So the Seahawks

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not made it past the divisional amount of the playoffs.
It's the twenty fourteen season, and Russell Wilson is not
satisfied with yet another early postseason exit. A lot of
people think that, you know, we we we overachieved. I
think we underachieved my opinion, because I think that the
goals should always be within the super Bowl, and that's

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got to be our standards. That's gotta be our focus.
We've got to find ways to get past just the
first or second round of playoffs. I mean, I get
to the final posts. That's the reality. That's why I know,
That's why I play the game. You know, that's why
a lot of guys in this locker room trying to
play the game for that and everything else. And so
we've got to find ways to get better and we
will try to do everything we can to figure that out.
They were they were really I gotta be honest. I'm

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from Seattle, and I thought they were gonna be a
five hundred team. I thought they overachieved. And I will
tell you this, They're gonna bring back all those running backs.
Their offensive line is gonna get healthier. DK Metcalf now
is a star for Russell. I gotta be honest with you,
it's they overachieved this year, and I if you look
at some of their young players, they're going to be

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really good going forward for four or five years. I
understand his standard is a lot higher than the rest
of us would have for the Seahawks. But they absolutely
overachieved this year. And they lost three running backs and
by Marshawn Lynch out of retirements, who I love, but
he was literally not playing football and they had to
come in and play running back for them. They absolutely
over They've got to get their own line right. How

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many years in a row by the end of the
year do you look at Seattle and go. That offensive
line's a mess. You know, they kind of have gone
into the I mean we we thought that, you know,
this whole thing was over after the whole legion of
Boom kind of fell apart, and there's where, you know,
where no pieces left from that original what was set
up as was supposed to be a dynasty situation. So
they have come back from that, which is impressive, but

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it kind of is getting into this territory where you
sort of there's a little Aaron Rodgers to it, where
it's like, just go out and do everything and win
the game, like Russell Wilson, just take the entire team
on your back and figure it all out. And that's
just not I mean, you see now with Aaron rod
they're inn the NFC Championship game because they put some
other pieces around him. The way the reason they don't
look the same is because it's not all on Aaron

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Rodgers anymore. And now they're having the success that they
need to get back to that with the Seahawks, it
shouldn't all be on Russell Wilson. Yes he can do that,
but eventually that's going to be the end of it.
Like you can't get to a super Bowl, it's not sustainable.
Speaking of the Packers, they traveled to San Francisco this
weekend to take on the Niners four spot in the
Super Bowl, and Matt Laflour is looking back on the
Packers blowout loss of the forty nine Ers in Week

(01:08:27):
twelve to improve the game plan for Sunday, I got
to go back and watch that tape again and to
really try to grasp what happened and why it happened,
and how can we adjust and what are we going
to do to ensure that it doesn't happen. We're gonna
have a big challenge in front of us, but you know,

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it's something that I think our guys are going to
roll up their sleeves and come in and prepare the
right way and be ready to go. Yeah, they have
not been I think even Packer fans can admit this.
They've been a very good, on the script first quarter
football team. They have not been a good third quarter
adjust team. They were outscored by Seattle twenty seven and
the second half. And by the way, Shanahan's a great

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adjusting coach. For San Francisco, Andy Reid tends to be
a great adjusting coach. So it's a real issue with me.
Young coaches are often very good on script McVay well,
let's experience, yes, but but but off script. McBay has
gotten better as an adjuster, but Laflours and his first
year as head coach, and that's why, like you, when

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you have to go off off script, you rely on
your experience in your intuition from being in those situations before,
and you just don't have that if you're a first
year or second year head coach. Luckily Aaron Rodgers has
been in that situation before. But again, he's not the
entire team. So how are they going to handle that?
The Packers are seven and a half I'm sorry, Yeah,
the Packers are seven and a half point underdogs. Coing
to Fox met right now, that feels right. I do

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think that the Niners win this game. I think what
it's going to come down to is if the running
game can get going for the Packers, and the Liners
defensive line is pretty AGGRESSI so yeah, let's try with
the news. Well that's the news, and thanks for stoping
the herdline. Oliver luck in studio, the commissioner the XFL
can't wait. The league's gonna start hearing about a month.

(01:10:13):
Cannot wait one of the smartest guys in sports coming up.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon Easter nine am Pacific. Oliver Luck, former NFL quarterback,
has had a storied executive career. He's now the commissioner
of the XFL, the CEO. Of course, we know his son,
Andrew Luck, who I was one of the few quarterbacks
that I try not to root, but I rooted for Andrew.

(01:10:37):
He is now married and happy and a beautiful girl.
And we miss your son, but we get what he did,
and I hope he's doing great. He's doing fine. Thank
you for mentioning that. Okay, let's start with this. Your
season starts February eighth. I said, before I think a
spring league, it's time. We have networks now vying for content.
This is ESPN, it's Fox, it's WWE, it's you. It's

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people I trust and companies I trust. So it's going
to be different. There's a lot of different rules here.
Give me an example of a rule that you have
that you just love that you looked at the NFL
and said we can do it better. So my favorite
of the roundabout dozen innovations that we have is the
extra point options, right, so you score touchdown, you get six.

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We're all familiar with that, but in our league you
have a one point, a two point, and a three
point option, all plays from scrimmage, no kicks, So the
one points from two two two yard line, the two
point from five yard line, and the three point from
the ten. And I like that because it just brings
strategy into the guest. What do we what do we
as fans do We all second guest coaches decisions on

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a Monday, We're all Monday morning quarterbacks. And this I
think is simply strategy. You score touchdown first quarter, what
do you do? You go for one or two or three?
You score in a pick six or a scoop six,
you know, defensive touchdown. Do you take that quick momentum
change and go for three right and try to score
a nine point touchdown? And also it allows, I think
the team that's behind to get back into the game
more quickly, so you know, a two score game can

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become in our league, a one score game or a
three score game become a two score game. So that
I think is my favorite because it just brings additional strategy,
and I'm not anti kicker, but it also brings athletes
onto the field and not kickers. By the way, in baseball,
I don't love the pitcher batting. I think it's a mismatch.
I like the idea of getting the best players out
and having another play on the field. The extra point

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has historically been a fatal complete and even with the
league moving it back a couple three years ago, it's
still I think in ninety four ninety five percent conversion. Yeah,
and that's when you get up and go to the
restroom or get a sandwich or whatever. Okay, now you're
also doing something. You have training camp centralized in Houston. Now.
I like this because when you're a new league, cost matters,

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you're really it's the foundation of a house. There's a
you're learning every day on the job. Right, You're not
the NFL where you're tweaking. You're learning. Why Houston? Why
one place for camp? So we decided that it made
sense to do really two things. In December, we had
our mini camps, right, and those were in our eight cities,
and those were just with the teams there, right, the
seventy guys playing for the LA Wildcats with the Houston Roughnecks,

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and they could install offense, defense, special teams, et cetera.
Gave them a little break at Christmas, and then all
of the guys, all five hundred and sixty, all eight teams,
came back to Houston, and because we're starting from scratch
building rosters literally with player one all the way through seventy,
we thought it made the most sense to make sure
that every second third day teams could scrimmage against each other. Right,

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you want to see the comparative strengths and weaknesses, and
coaches wanted to see that as well, so they could say,
oh my gosh, I got a you know, a D
line that really needs a little bit of upgrading and
legal figure out if I can make a trade, or
I got a cornerback that is struggling. Let's see if
we can't get So we want parody obviously when we
launch February eighth, who want to have games that are
close and one score games going into the fourth quarter.

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But the only way to really see those comparative strengths
and weaknesses, I think is to have everybody together in Houston.
And Houston has unbelievable facilities just incredible facilities. High schools.
Colleges were at you of H and HBU Texas Southern.
The high schools they were like colleges. We have a
lot of space in Caretasis. Yeah, and they love football, right,
so you know the facilities, locker rooms, all that at

(01:14:12):
first class. Okay, So when you when you go about
this league. To me, I've always said, get the quarterback? Right?
Have you have high level I mean, like last night
I'm watching Trevor Lawrence and Joe Burrow. Can't get any
better quarterbacks right there, So it's like it makes the game. Right,
So now you do have some NFL quarterbacks in here.
My question is would you go after h like a

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Trevor Lawrence, even your son when he was a sophomore.
You don't have to wait three years, right, correct. We're
not subject to the NFL's eligibility requirement that's in the CBA.
We're not a party. Are you comfortable with going after
freshmen and sophomores in college down the road? I could
see that happening, right, because there's so much that's changing
in the nc double A with you know, the name, image,
likeness and state legislation and potentially federal legislation. So down

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the road, I could see that, but we were trying
to get the best five hundred and sixty players possible.
And guess what the best players are those guys who
played three or four years of college and spent two
or three or four in some cases five years in
the NFL. You've got a lot of NFL guys here. Yeah,
You've got Landry Jones, who's gonna be playing in Dallas
for Bob Stoops. Josh Johnson here in LA, a longtime
NFL quarterback who started in won games in the NFL

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and as early as last year. So you know, we
have those kind of players. Matt mcgloyin, who I can
remember him coming in off the bench for the Raiders
beating my colts years ago out and you know Alameda Coliseum.
So you've got those kind of players and they're pretty
damn good. They're they're really pretty darn good. So down
the road, I could see us looking at a younger
college player, but we think the best guys not under

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contract in the NFL are the guys that we have.
Those are often guys that have some NFL experience. So
we're CFL experience right now. So when you talk about
rules like I like the extra point. Now, you and
I had seen each other bumped into each other about
six months ago and I said, hey, I got an
idea for a kickoff. So the kickoff, because we all
know in the NFL it is there have been more concussions.

(01:16:03):
It's been a little I think even the NFL is
trying to figure out ways to, you know, lessen the collisions.
What does your kickoff look like? So you've got the
kickoff cover team at the thirty five yard line lined up,
all ten guys, kickers back at the twenty five and
then you have the kickoff return team at the thirty
right five yards apart mano Amano and the deep man

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is catching the kick and we're eliminating the run up right,
So the run up, the sprint by the kickoff coverage
team is what causes that high impact collision because you're
going full speed. So we have those players lined up.
Once the ball is caught, those twenty guys can move
and we think we've taken the impact out of that collision.

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So it really becomes, in a sense a play from scrimmage, right.
So we've tested it multiple time. I mean thousands of
times with junior colleges and semipro leagues. We think it's
safe for Everybody we've talked to, including the health and
safety experts, have said, yeah, this is safer because you're
taking out that run up, you're taking out what causes
the high velocity impact. So we're excited about that. It's

(01:17:08):
an interesting innovation because I our fans are telling us
we like to have the kickoff return in the game
still because it's a fun play. Yeah, of course, I mean,
and it's also when you're trailing. It's a way to
pop right back into a game. It's decided National championships.
A couple years ago, Alabama had won in the National Championship.
So when you what are the challenges Like, the NFL's
challenges are different. They are picked apart by the media.

(01:17:30):
They've got, you know, they've got big business American problems.
You have young startup tech problems. I imagine where you're starting.
This works, this doesn't. What was your first big challenge
to be the commissioner of the XFL. Well, I think
the big challenge was taking all this sort of information
that we got from talking to fans. We did focus groups,
we did a whole bunch of market research to find

(01:17:53):
out what they wanted. They love professional football, and what
they said was, but we'd like it to be well,
let's pick up the pace a little bit, a little
bit too much time, a little bit too much idle time.
Let's try to have the same amount of action and
get it back into three hours. Last night's game, as
good as it was, it seemed like it lasted forever.
It was a four and a half. Yeah, it was long. Yeah,
So you know, the challenge was to keep all those
good things that we love about the game, and there's

(01:18:15):
a lot to love because it's a great game. It's
America's favorite sport, America's favorite pastime, and kind of compress
it a little bit. It's almost like, you know, going
back to the old AFL, the old American Football League days,
back in the seventiesans. It's right, if you went over
three hours, right, you know, the broadcaster cut away. So
we're trying to compress that and have the same number
of play, same amount of action, but you know it

(01:18:36):
to have it really in a three hour time block,
and knowing what to keep and what you could kind
of tweak and innovate. I think was important. We like
to say a very familiar game. Fans will see it
and say, oh, that's football. It's great, it's eleven and eleven,
it's four down, it's the same regulation field, familiar, but
a little bit unique with some of the innovations. Yeah,
I mean people knocked the XFL, but the NFL stole

(01:18:56):
all sorts of stuff from the XFL. It was it
was kooky and nutty, but there were elements of it
that I thought were coming fun. The funnest part, Colin
was to you know, sit down with smart people, John Fox,
Jim Calwell, Doug Flute, a whole bunch of people like
that help us through this process and look at the
rules and decide where did that come from? How long
we've we been doing that. Can we have a punt

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where the gunners don't leave at the snap but leave
at the punt. That'll give that guy a little bit
more time to catch the ball and return the ball.
Oh we can do that. Why not? That's not you know,
sort of etched in stone anywhere. It's not part of
the ten commandments that the punters have to leave, you know,
at the snap. So it's those kind of things that
really were fun, enjoyable, and I do think one of
the things the NFL has done very well through the years,
they are amenable to change. They've changed the catch rule.

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It felt like in the Super Bowl a couple of
years they said, you know what, for the biggest game,
we're changing it. I love all of this. I love
seeing you. Pass on the best to Andrew and his family.
XFL February eighth. I can't wait our three urban myers
around the corner. Be sure to catch live editions of
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It's Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app. Now we

(01:20:03):
get ready for NFL playoffs, and I said, after this weekend,
these are four really good teams, but the one to
me that can beat you more ways than any other,
the one that really checks the boxes for me, from
full back to d line to offensive tackle, to quarterback,
to coach to safety to tight end to wide receivers.
To San Francisco forty nine ers and joining us live

(01:20:26):
via the Coward Global Satellite Network, DeForrest Buckner brought to
you by Mercedes Bands. The best or nothing. You know,
it's interesting. DeForest, Thanks again for coming on the show.
When you play a team like Green Bay and you
have success against Green Bay and then you're gonna play
them again, guys like me in the media say, oh brother,
this is trouble. Do you take anything from the green

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Bay first win? Or does Kyle Shanahan say, bury the tape?
I don't want to see it. No, I mean you
We're gonna watch the you know, the game all over
again when we find out we're gonna playing the Packers again.
I put that game back on, started watching film, you know,
just looking at things that I could have done better
in that game. And um, you're gonna pick things you
know from that game that you could could have got

(01:21:11):
better and could have did better. But um, obviously we're
gonna get a whole new team coming into two Levi's,
and you know, everything that you did in the regular
season goes out the window because the playoffs is a
whole different beast. People forget this. You guys start eight, no,
and then virtually for everybody gets hurt. You're both tackles
get hurt, your full back gets hurt, George gets hurt,

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you got wide receivers hurt. And take me back to
the middle of the season when you guys went into
games and you didn't have seventy your top twenty players.
Take me back to what it was like to overcome that. Yeah,
it was a grind, especially having our you know, buying
week four. Um, you know that whole part of the
season was a grind, losing guys and you know, it

(01:21:53):
was the whole next man up mentality and m just
preparing through you know, taking it week one week at
a time, and honestly, it was it was you could
see you know, the character and the team, um, the
grit and all the guys finishing off. We had a
lot of close games. I look back at in about
ten of our games throughout the season came down to
the last possession. So it just shows a testament to

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all of the guys on the team, you know, being
being ready and staying ready. It's funny, but you know,
between George Kittle and some of the players on this team,
people were saying this last week, you guys have a
pro wrestling feel to it, and it is fun. You
guys are fun to watch. Take me back to the
first time that you saw Kittle at a practice. Did
you know instantly, oh lord, we stole this guy in

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the fifth round. Did you know he was going to
be something like this? Yeah, honestly, his his rookie year. Um,
you know, seeing some of the catches he was making
in contested passes, you know, um, you know, just battling
you know, defense and offense throughout training camp and ota
seeing some of those catches that he was making, you know,
you could see that he was a special guy. And

(01:22:59):
you know, the grow that he's had each and every
year has been amazing to see. And the type of
teammate he is and obviously overall player, he's a superstar
man that he's He's all pro Kittle for a reason,
and I'm just lucky to have him on my team. Now,
Robert sala is that good looking ball defensive coordinator who's
screaming and yell. And then you have Kyle Shanahan's the

(01:23:20):
genius on the offensive side. Tell me how much Shanahan
participate in the defense or does he let Robert run
the show? Um? Um, you know, I think Kyle likes
to see, you know, overall, what the defense is doing.
But um, you know Salo pretty much takes it over,
you know what I mean? And you can you can

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totally tell in practice too, even throughout training camp. You know,
both of them, they like to compete against each other,
and especially you know, the offense and defense. You know,
competition periods. You know they're going back and forth. So
it's it's great to see, you know, the competition you
know within everyone on the team, and you know, just
making each other better each and every day. When you
face Aaron Rodger, you had success the first time, but

(01:24:02):
I want you to take my audience divorce into facing Aaron.
He does a lot of you know, he's playing at
the line of scrimmage, he's manipulating, he's trying to draw
you off. It becomes a very mental game. Compare him
to other quarterbacks, um uh. You know I would say,

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you know, making all those checks at the line, you know,
all the audibles. I mean, I would relate him too.
You know Tom Brady, you know, because I played against
Tom Brady in my rookie year and you know he
did a similar thing, you know what I mean, making
all the different plays, checking it out the line, all
the audibles, everything and getting the ball out and making
you know, some great throws. So he you know, Aaron's
a future Hall of famer and you know he's you know,

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he's scary back there. And so you know, we got
to do a really good job like we did uh
the last time. And you know it starts with the
run game, you know, shutting down the run game early
and you know, making a drop backpass game and you know,
trying to get get after him early. You know when
when you look at the these upsets, Tennessee beats Baltimore
and I mean, we're all it's jaw dropping, and all

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of a sudden, Kansas City falls behind twenty four nothing
and you're sitting there now as a number one seed.
You're at home. The world thinks you should win this weekend.
Do you ever like, do you ever think to yourself, Man,
this could be a trap. This this is a huge trap.
Like how do you avoid the upset? Blinders? You gotta

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put your blinders on, man, you know what I mean.
It's you know, we gotta come in each and every
day like we did last week, you know, ready to go.
You know, every single guy in the room, you know,
coaches and everything, you know, came in each and every
day ready to work. It didn't matter, you know, all
the outside noise. We had to you know, we got
guys that play for each other and trust one another,
and you know, once we get a good game plan,

(01:25:49):
we just make sure we execute whenever, you know, game
day is and that's what we need to do this week.
Is Jimmy g a verbal guy like Garoppolo at practice?
What is he like? Yeah, I mean he's a verbal guy. Um.
You know, he's you know, he's a hard working dude, man. Um.
You know, seeing him go out there each and every
single day, UM, trying to meet you know, trying to

(01:26:09):
work with his receivers after practice, you know, making sure
they got that connection. Everything, the way the way he
goes about his business. He's a true pro and you
know all of our trust is within him. Um. Just
to see his growth throughout the season has been amazing.
He doesn't care, you know, about the stats or anything.
You know, he he just wants to put some positions
to win. And that's what he's been doing at a really,

(01:26:30):
really high level this year. DeForrest Buckner forty nine ers
favorite over Green Bay, second time on the show. Good
luck to you, Bud. You're an absolute blast to watch.
It's one of the best d lines in a long time.
And now you got d Ford and Kwan Alexander. The
band is back together. Good luck to you, Yes, sir,

(01:26:50):
thank you, And don't forget Chakwaski Tart. He's been a big, big,
big part of our our defense this year. See how
about that? Like that, that's a good teammate right there,
giving the guy some love for it, ma'am. All right,
thank you for having me again. You bet Urban Myers
around the corner. Today on LSU. They lose Burrow, but
it is LSU. We'll talk about ed Orgeron, how the

(01:27:11):
world bailed on ed Orgeron. Nobody ever bailed on Urban Meyer,
but people bailed on it Orgeron and he just said,
all right, I'm gonna figure out what I didn't do well.
I'm gonna figure out what I did do well. Last
night LSU was so much more than just college national championship.
It was a story of redemption for ed Orgeron. It
was a story of development for Joe Burrow. And we're

(01:27:33):
gonna have coming up next Urban Myers on our program.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon Easter nine am Pacific. We're headed to the
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We'll have great guests, wall to wall coverage, giveaways, and
a whole lot more FS one super Bowl Week live
from Miami. It's just two weeks away. I will be
staying up to midnight every night. I told my wife
that last night. I've stapped at midnight because midnight's only
nine Pacific, and I don't want to come home if
I go to bed at nine thirty my typical right
ninety five, that's six forty five Pacific. So I'll come

(01:28:16):
back home off the Super Bowl and be so exhausted
every time. Does it take you to adjust to the
new time zone? Eight nine months? I'm going to bed
at midnight. I already at Goulet. We're gonna I'm gonna
go out. You can join us. I go to bed
at midnight now, Oh, now I can't sleep. I get
like five hours to sleep. You go to sleep at

(01:28:37):
midnight now, I mean I don't want to, but I
just don't. I just can't go to sleep, and I'm
scared to take anything because like then I'll sleep too hard. Oh,
drugs will help. Yeah, I know it's not a good idea. Now.
I used to take melatonin, but you know it's like, oh,
I knock you out. It's tricky, like when you take
it first night. Last time I took tonin, I was
a leprecn jumping off buildings. I mean, it screws with

(01:28:58):
my I'm fine, but bocks me out for like a
good ten hours. So I gotta take it like five. Yeah,
it'll be all right. You're you're my wife, I mean
not officially, but she are you doing the same birthday?
You have the same birthday and she is. I can
literally walk by a sleeping pill glance at it. I

(01:29:19):
am out. I've seen her take two and stare at
the ceiling for nine hours. I'm like, how is it possible?
I don't know. I just learned that you go to
bed at midnight. I mean not consistently, but definitely not
before like eleven for sure. Wow, Bruins blue Jackets. Today's
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(01:29:42):
cash back match there is no limit. Here's joy with
the news. No, no, this is the herd line news.
Kevin Nafanski was introduced as the Browns coach today was
at his press conference. He spoke about building a better
culture in Cleveland's and how he's looking for We're working
with Baker Mayfield, most interesting Baker as a young player.

(01:30:04):
They're the sky's the limit, but we're gonna put in
the work to get it done. With Baker. The skill
set that our quarterback has is legit, and he's as
accurate as they come. I think there's plenty of things
that will do schematically to hopefully make life easy on him,
easier on him, and looking forward to the jump that

(01:30:25):
this kit will take. Everybody knows that Harry Truman quote,
It's amazing what you can accomplish when no one cares
who gets the credit. And that's what I believe we
have in our building. We have great people and we're
going to add to this culture that we're building here,
and we have the right people. And again, I just
can't stress enough how excited I am to be just
a part of it. He looks like an author of

(01:30:46):
successful books who eat salmon with his hands. He is
he is sophisticated looking. He does look very sophisticated. He
looks smart in that suit. I don't know, George Clooney,
I don't really know whatever to expect from these press conferences.
I always want to be moved and compelled, and he's

(01:31:07):
an IVY leaguer. John said, where do you go to school?
He went to Penn. That's pretty impressive. So let me
just put it on record saying I think he's a
better coach than Josh McDaniels. I think he's a better choice.
I think he's a better fit in Cleveland's a better
fit in that. I just really didn't know what to
expect from Josh McDaniels. And it seems like people aren't
really that high on Josh McDaniels as a head coach,
at least currently next year. But the one guy I

(01:31:30):
know that knows to fans he's like this is like listen,
this is a smart, no nonsense you know, works with
people people like Kevin Stefanski. I'm sure he's great, But
it's Cleveland, so I don't know. If he walked in
to your American literature class, that's what your teacher would
look like. If he walked into class. Then I would

(01:31:52):
assume I have to write twenty page papers every single class.
We're going to talk about Shakespeare before we talk about
quote is opening Presco friends. Look, it's just that it's
a Browns again with Joe Judge. Like Joe Judge said
a lot of things that were very No, we don't
New York like. We don't know anything about Joe. We
don't know anything about anything about how kevins the fans
for this guy winning more games than Freddie Kitchens five

(01:32:15):
year deal. By the way, probably that's what I do
like about is a five year deals. Although Cleveland is
not afraid to pay somebody who's not working for them,
so there is that. But look, I like him, he said,
he said good things. Never a Freddie Kitchens guy. That
guy looks like he can own the room. That's a
He's a big man that reads a lot of work
to be he reads books with hard covers. Yeah, hopefully
he can balance having an Analegs guy in his ear

(01:32:36):
and doing three hour meetings every week with the owner
two bell O'Brien hasn't has not only been the Texans
head coach this year, he was also the acting GM
with final cell say on personnel decisions, and he says
the team has no plans what to hire a permanent
GM anytime soon. I feel like where we are right now,
the way that I see it right now, it stays

(01:32:57):
the way it is, and we have we have again
a great group of people UM that meet daily, UM
that uh you know, talk about the team, the roster,
all the all the supports that you know, the sub
programs that we have here and try to make the
best decisions for the team. That's weird, No, GM, I'm

(01:33:17):
not a big fan. When I don't like that. I
do not approve of this message. Yeah, I don't. I
could hire a general manager, but there's no real reason. Yeah,
because I gotta can fire you. Well, if you win
the super Bowl, do what you want. But you didn't.
You blew it. That's weird and like the most remarkable

(01:33:38):
staggering fashion, you just lost. So you probably do need
to make some changes. I gotta learn more about I
gotta read about that story. Somebody, somebody at Twoey you're
responsible for that message. Send me about accountability for all Houston.
Yea god, right now? So give me a story on

(01:33:59):
this mask because I gotta read about this. This is
Brian has the final say, with interim GM Chris Olsen
and VP of Team Development Jack Easterbury among those aiding
with GM duty, so it's a collection of minds. O'Brian
says he hasn't met with the Texans chairman Cal McNair
about the GM position, so it may happen, but currently
there is no plan in place to hire a GM.

(01:34:21):
I just don't like it because I think they should
have a GM and if you lose in disappointing fashion,
you can't keep everything the same. I mean not saying
they any drastic changes, but a GM may be helpful.
So finally, the Titans have been the surprise of the postseason,
knocking the Patriots and the Ravens out to reach the
AFC Championship Game. Is a sixth seed and now their
fans are starting to believe the hype as well. Titans

(01:34:42):
corner logan Ryans at the City of Nashville woke up
during this playoff run and the team can feel their energy.
Mike Rabel also said after the win in Baltimore that
the underdog thing is overrated. They are seven point underdogs
according to Fox bet Against the Chiefs this weekend. Where
he's like a player. I mean, surely he and Mike
I'm looked like players, big men. Yeah, I think guys

(01:35:04):
like that, he's a big Alpha. At the end of that,
I think guys like they respect someone who played, or
if they haven't played, someone who understands the game. But
I also think when it comes to relating to players,
it's kind of it's a it's a balance of being
pushed and respecting what it is that you do every day.
I do like that the Titans this year, I mean,

(01:35:25):
nobody saw this coming, so they do have an underdog.
They're not gonna win this game. We gotta stop with
this nonsense. No they're not. They're not gonna win this game.
They're not gonna win this game. They're not gonna beat
Kansas City in Kansas City. That's not gonna happen. They're
seeking to become the third team since the NFL change
playoff formats in nineteen ninety to beat top the top
three seeds in their respective conference in a single postseason.

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The two thousand and five Stealers and did, and they
both won the Super Bowl. Not stop it. This is
not gonna have this I'm not gonna have this. I'm
not going all the way to Miami to get Tannehill
and the Titans. I also am not doing that, especially
because Ryan Tannehill played for the Dolphins and that would
just be the ultimate irony. So I will say I

(01:36:07):
say this about Tannehill. He started a lot of games
in this league. He's like, he's not a puppy. This
dude's been in the league a long time and he's
been through it. But it doesn't matter about Tannehill. That's
not the element in this game I'm concerned about. I
am concerned about Derek Henry. That's what I'm concerned about.
All I know is this, If I get my homes
and I get Jimmy g Q, that's gonna be the

(01:36:30):
greatest week of my life. I'll take Aaron Rodgers too,
He's been there before. I get, I get San Francisco,
and I get I can ruin. I listen. It doesn't
matter to me. But I'm just telling you if I
have to go to Miami for a week. There was
about thirty minutes the other night I thought I was
getting Tennessee and Houston in the acionship with you. I
had heartburn. I was concerned, not great, A little sweaty.

(01:36:53):
All right, Joey with the news. Well that's the news,
and thanks for stopping by her news. By the way,
I got plans this weekend getting in a car Michelin
and Durrance xt Sellykoh wiper blades available at Walmart last
two times longer. He's as good at college football coach
as we've ever had three national championships. One of two
coaches to win a title at two different schools. Saban

(01:37:16):
is the other, of course, Urban Meyer via the Cowherd
Global Satellite Network. All right, let's start, coach. Let's start
with this. You know, I think it's as accomplished a
team as I've ever seen. They beat all these teams.
I don't know if they're the best team, but good lord,
they beat a lot of good teams and a lot
of sec powers. If I said to you, best college

(01:37:36):
team ever, what would your reaction be. I think best
offensive college team ever would be a great argument. The
best quarterback season quarterbacks ever had would probably be yes.
Best team ever. You know, I kind of looked it
up this morning, yet Clemson, and then you had the Shoot,
there's one other team that we saw that had better

(01:37:57):
offense and defensive productions. So I think you talk about team,
you got to find the team that was Florida State
and it was Clemson. Yeah, that both teams were top
five offense and defense. And then the Florida Gator team
and wait, you had, you know, a top fifteen offense
and defense. So I think when you put it all together,
it's certainly one of them. But you know, when you

(01:38:18):
have a twenty some ranked defense, I think that's you know,
I think there's some better teams that there's been. You know,
you are a very good recruiter and you really understand personnel.
I mean you just you've been able to pick a
lot of players and you get it, especially on offense.
And I look at Joe Burrow and I'm going to
ask you, as a personnel guy, does he remind you

(01:38:38):
of anybody you've had? Does it translate to the NFL
in your opinion? Well, the ones that I've had, personally,
it reminds me of Alex Smith, who's a warrior, competitor
and brilliant guy. I spent many times talking to Joe
throughout the year, and I know Joe Brady and m
Zinger the coordinator and Joe really put together. But Joe

(01:38:59):
was very involved in those game plans. He's that smart
of a player. And Alex Smith was the same way.
So Alex SMITHZ was the first pick overall in two
thousand and four, Joe will be the first overall pick
in two and twenty. And I just think they remind him,
remind me both of each other. What did you learn
about Trevor Lawrence last night? The Clemson quarterback coach. Yeah,

(01:39:22):
I loved Trevor Lawrence. I saw it firsthand. I witnessed it.
I witnessed it against Ohio State. I loved his toughness.
I think he had a couple obviously high passage yesterday,
little inaccuracy issues. But someone asked me, do you think
that hurt his draft stock? Absolutely not. He's got another year.
He's a great football player, and I just the first
tight I always look at how tough is that guy?

(01:39:44):
And this guy's tough as nails, So he'll be I
think he'll be the first pick next year. You know
what the ball sailed on him, coach a little last night?
Is that pressure? I mean, it did feel like the
ball sailed on him. I love that question. And we
used to. I still tell the story about card Jones
that when he made his first start and in the
National champion game against Wisconsin against Alabama, we played most

(01:40:07):
of the game outside the hash marks because I knew
adrenaline would be pumped up. I knew, you know, the
worst thing can happen is you overthrow a guy down
the middle field, you overthrow it down the sideline and
say complete. So I'm sure you know he has played
in the big Show before, but you know he was
a little inaccurate compared to what he's been throughout the
most of the year. You've won three national championships. When

(01:40:28):
you're preparing for a game of this magnitude, coach, do
you have to coach a little different because the stage
is so dramatic in grandiose. Yeah, A lot of people think,
what's the pregame speech? Like how do you motivate your team?
There's very little pregame speech, very little motivation. And I
can't speak for coach Osuron or coach Sweeney, but I

(01:40:50):
would imagine it was all about prep It was all
about actually lowering the pressure, lowering you'll calming everything down
when you're playing a team that you're supposed to beat.
That's when you have to, you know, charge everybody up
and get everybody going. But the bigger of the game,
the robbery game, the playoffs or national championship, it's all
about preparation and getting that team healthy. I don't don't.

(01:41:11):
I don't. I'd be shocked. I'd love to hear what
Coacho says about that, but I think it's more about
just prep not some great pregame speech. You never really
had failure at the college level. Coach Oh got fired,
I was told no by USC. He's a remarkable story
of American redemption, and I have to admit I am

(01:41:32):
shocked by it. I always saw him as a coordinator,
a great recruiter, a wonderful man, but I never saw
the head coach thing. Are you a bit surprised ed
or you're on his hoist on the trophy last night? Well,
I love Coach O. I've known him for twenty years,
and I know him back when he was at Miami
and then uh Sonny Lubeck was one of his dear friends,

(01:41:53):
and I worked for Sonny, so I got to know
him way back in the nineties, and then I coached
against him when he was at all miss and I think,
you know, he'd be the first to tell you that
he probably made some mistakes there and when he was
maybe not the first choice in LSU. And then also
they hire a guy, you know, I was. I was
happy for him. I thought he's the perfect fit for LSU.

(01:42:13):
He's from Louisiana, he understands the culture, and he's a
great recruiter. And I think the first thing he did
was surround himself with elite coaches and you got Dave Miranda,
you got the co offensive coordinators on offense, and let
him do his deal. And that's motivate, inspire and recruit. Yeah,
it's fun. Last night, I gotta be honest with you.
I like, I sat and I picked Clemson to win,

(01:42:36):
and about halfway through it, I'm like, you know what,
this is a good story. I'm happy for LSU. It's
if it's good for the state of Louisiana. It did
feel like to me that Clemson came out They've been
here before and had a good first quarter, but boy, coach,
the last three quarters, I just thought LSU was a
better team. Their secondary was absurd. I felt LSU was

(01:42:57):
absolutely a better team. Is that how you saw it,
no doubt. They had seven wins against top ten teams,
seven wins against top ten teams. Their body work wasn't
even close with anybody else in the playoffs. And that's
why I picked them to win, and pretty much close
to the score. I thought, because of Trevor Lawrence, because
of the coaching staff, coach Venerables, and obviously they've been

(01:43:18):
there before Clempson. I thought it'd be a heck of
a game. It was, But how about this last year
at the NFL Draft, I'm set with coach Oseron and
he said, do you realize your boys saved our jobs?
And he was talking about Joe Burrow And he wasn't
talking about necessarily how great of a quarterback, because he
was still learning. He had a very workman like career
last year, last year, last year, but his leadership, his

(01:43:43):
ability to motivate others and spire others, limped everybody else
around them their level of play. He looked me right in,
I said, your boys saved our jobs, and that's one
of the reasons I picked them to be in the
playoffs right out of the jump, because Oseron and because
of Joe. Joe told me you know, he was here
on the fourteen national chipiship team and he knew what
that chemistry is like, and he felt that they had

(01:44:04):
it at LSU when they stayed healthy and really happy
for that group. Yeah, coach, great scene is at your
office by the way. Is that your fancy office you're
in right now? Yeah, it's a little smaller than my
old office. But good seeing Urban, good seeing you all right,
great stuff. But I love having Urban meyerd our network
all sorts of I mean, just so many stories he's
talking to all these guys. Coach Oh is great for football.

(01:44:26):
I mean, I'm telling you, folks, I never thought i'd
see Coach Oh out coaching Clemson, But man, that is
what sports is all about. I have culture and fit matters.
I got no problem saying I whiffed on Coacho. Never
saw him being a head coach at this level. Totally
whiffed on it. And it's great. It's an amazing story.
It's a I love it to unbelieve. Diff from Clemson.

(01:44:48):
It's very easy. No, Yeah, but Clemson's not going anywhere
and LSU is not going anywhere. They could meet again
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things we love, I mean, in college football, you know,
it's become more and more regionalized. Clemson was in the
title game again. Clemson's favored to be in the title
game next year. Alabama's usually in it. Their favored to

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be back to the title game next year. The top
five teams in the country are Clemson, Florida, Bama, LSU.
In the NFL, that's just not the way it works.
So it's very easy for me to predict. I can
make next year's predictions for college football list the top ten.
I get about eight, right. That doesn't mean the game's
not fun and last night wasn't amazing. By the way,

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the SEC went nine and two in bowl games. They're
good again, and they'll be good again next year. But
the NFL is crazy, and every year I make pre
season predictions and it's amazing the pushback I get because
people are shocked when I say things like I think
this team will go from four wins to nine wins,
and I get nothing but pushback. So I'm gonna give

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you ten things you would have rolled your eyes at
rushed to Twitter at had I said them a week
before the season starts. How about this one? Forty nine
ers are gonna go from four and twelve to the
number one seed, host the NFC Championship and go thirteen
and three. They went from twenty first and points a

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game to second because Jimmy Garoppolo is going to be
better than advertised. Now, I did say, joy as my witness,
I thought they would be the most improved team. You
were way ahead of the forty nine. Yeah, I say,
I gave them nine wins. I said they're gonna double
their wins or more, And I did think. I looked
around the league and I'm like, I'm not sure how
good Matt Lafleur is. I thought about putting them in

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the NFC Championship, but I thought they it's a generally,
it's a step league. You need steps. But you would
have laughed if I would have said, instead of four
and twelve to nine and seven, if I'd have said
four and twelve to thirteen and three, and it happened,
Lamar and Jackson runaway MVP. Folks. He averaged one hundred
and fifty nine yards passing. Now you have the NFL

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and touchdowns with thirty six and was third and passer
rating at one thirteen. If I'd have said, you, you
know that guy who runs around and the passing part's
not great, his passer rating is going to be at
the top of the league and he's gonna And that's
what happened. Yeah, ninety percent of sports fans would claim
they saw this coming, but nobody saw the ones that
keep it real, Like, no one saw this coming. They

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didn't in Baltimore see this coming, right number three. So
Ryan Tannehill starts the season on the bench. He's gonna
take over for Marcus Mariota. Hey he's gonna go to Foxborough.
Hey he's gonna beat Brady. Hey, he's gonna go then
to Baltimore beat the numb one seat. This is this
is the nine and seven Titans. They're only the third
team since nineteen seventy to beat the number one offense

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in the number one defense in the playoffs. Yeah. It
is the ultimate team that never delivers when you think,
and they have delivered to end the dynasty and to
end the Ravens season. How about if I would have
said this, Yeah, the Cleveland Browns, they're gonna get way worse.
I mean, they're gonna be the They're gonna be worse

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than the seven, eight and one team. Yeah, but they
added all these good but John Dorsey, but Baker Mayfield.
But no, they're gonna be way In fact, they're gonna
be the laughing stock of the league in Baker Mayfield,
by the way, is then going to play for his
fourth head coach in three seasons. You saw that coming
when Freddie Kitchens got hired. I've never seen a fan
base assure itself it was off and running. Remember Baker

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came off the end of the previous season throwing all
sorts of touchdowns. That's what happened. They were worse and
Baker was thirty first and complete chian percentage and thirty
first and passer raiding. If I'd told you that, you'd
have said I was a hater. How about this, Kirk
Cousins is gonna go to New Orleans an outduel Drew
Brees in a playoff game kiss, the first Viking road

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playoff wins since like two thousand and five. And Kirk
Cousins has never been the primetime guy. And if I
told you, yeah, I mean New Orleans is gonna be
really good, but Kirk's gonna go down there and really
outplay him. He's gonna make some unbelievable throws, you'd have
said I was looney. How about this one? Yeah, Andrew
Luck's coming off a great year. He's gonna retire. What
But he was great in twenty eighteen. He got the

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comeback player of the year, I know. And he's just
gonna retire why because he's tired of being tired. I mean,
that was a shocker. Nobody saw that coming. Nobody saw
that coming. He had come off a very good twenty eighteen.
It's one of the all time surprises, like in sports history.
And and he also had this terrific offensive line like

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for the next ten years. I felt like I finally
he had the right and we had the right coach.
How about I fight I would told you this, Hey,
the Rams were in the super Bowl. They're not even
gonna make the playoffs. Todd Gurley, he's never gonna be
the same player. Uh this this team is gonna finish third.
What Yeah, mcbay's they could never hangover Gurley didn't get

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nearly the touches key injuries. How about if I would
have told you this, Dallas Cowboys, Yeah, they're gonna hire
Mike McCarthy. That picture doesn't even look right. I mean,
that doesn't even look right. You just said, you mean
the guy like the guy that got fired in Green
Bay that we said old no good. Yeah, Dallas gonna

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hire him. Well, he doesn't really look like Dallas. He's
not really a Dallas guy, I know, but they're gonna
hire him. So Mike McCarthy is gonna be the only
coach in NFL history that will have coach the Packers
and the Cowboys. You just said, I was out of
my You would have called it a hot take, and
it happened. How about this one, Nick Foles is gonna
get bench for Gardner Minshew. Yeah, nick Foles is gonna

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go old for four as a starter. And there's a
month period where we're talking about Gardner Minshew is like
rookie of the year's shock of the NFL season, Gardner Minshew.
Nick Foles never won a game. By the way, if
I'd have said nick Foles will not win a game,
you know what I think about nick Foles, you would
have crushed me. Ye would I would have. And finally,

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everything that happened to Antonio Brown, all of it, all
of it, well, Pittsburgh would tell you that they saw
that coming. But if I had said, listen, he's gonna
go to Oakland and he's gonna he's gonna freeze his
feet in a cryole machine, and then he wants a
new helmet, and then he goes to New England. They
signed him, yeah, for like an hour, and then they
get rid of him, and then he becomes the craziest,

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saddest thing on social media in America today. His story
is so beyond the like talk about off the Fairway.
It's really it's gotten sad, it has it's it's I
don't want to use the word disappointing, because it's beyond
it is beyond that. Just look at those stories. I mean,

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in Humania was fun though for like three weeks, Mike McCarthy,
people don't understand this. Lamar Jackson was throwing for one
hundred and fifty yards a game. We probably gonna slip
more in there, Kyle Allen. Remember that happened for about
six weeks. So remember when we make preseason predictions, understand

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what defines the NFL is change is nuts. There's gonna
be another forty nine ers next year, and one of
these young quarterbacks that you kind of like is gonna
pop

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