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Liver Damn fine show today, Very good, very good show.
I'm not gonna lie. Joey Taylor is joining me. Joy,
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how are you I? I'm the best I've been in
many months. We have NBA basketball today. We have been
walking through the desert with no water for six months.
Today we've come upon a lake, the oasis. Vegetables we
will eat tonight. Let me start with this. The media
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doesn't have a lot of courage. They don't. They just
don't have a lot of courage. Everybody's got a follow
in line. That's why I don't have that many media friends.
That's most of my friends are like business friends. They're
aggressive people, men, women, aggressive, not worried about following in line.
So yesterday the NFL Top one hundred voted on players
did not make Patrick Mahomes the number one player in
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the NFL. I no problem with it. I'd probably put
him there, but you know that's okay. Yeah. Lamar Jackson
finished number one, Russell Wilson two, Oh my god, Patrick's
four and the third best quarterback. So let me ask you,
did you watch the Super Bowl where Patrick Mahomes was
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outplayed by Jimmy Garoppolo for three and a half quarters
midway through the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl With
superior weapons and a superior veteran coach, Patrick Mahomes had
no touchdowns, two picks and should have had three, and
was outplayed outplayed by Jimmy Garoppolo. Did your television not work?
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Did you watch the game that he trailed at home
to Houston twenty four nothing in the playoffs or where
he was shut out in the first half the year
before in the AFC Championship against Bill Belichick and looked awful.
Finished the game completing fifty percent of his throws and
trailed by four touchdowns. Entering at home the fourth quarter,
or did you watch him get outplayed by Jared Goff
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a couple of years ago. Patrick Mahomes is unbelievably talented,
but he admitted, quote late this year unquote, I learned
how to read a defense. He's not without fault. I'm
gonna throw a number at you and you're gonna be surprised.
I'm gonna tell you this. He's not the best athlete
in the league at quarterback. Trick Mahomes ran a four
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eight forty. Lamar Jackson is twice twice the athlete. Lamar
Jackson's the fastest player on his football team. Patrick Mahomes
may not run the fastest forty at quarterback for the Jeeves.
He's a four eight forty guy. He's not as dynamic
athletically as Lamar Jackson. He's not as experienced or as
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elusive as Russell Wilson. Why Russell never gets hit? He
doesn't have the release of Aaron Rodgers, nor does he
see the field like Tom Brady and probably Drew Brees
and Russell Wilson. He is not without fault. Do you
realize Patrick mahomes fourth quarter passer rating last year in
the regular season was eighteenth. That is with Andy Reid,
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Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelsey, Mitchell Schwartz, Damian Williams. That is
with an unbelievable, unparalleled, unrivaled schematic, Andy need weapon cast
He was eighteenth. He was getting beat badly at home,
shut out by New England. Worked in the Super Bowl.
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He was not great in the Super Bowl for the
first three and a half quarters. Now now, is he
a great talent? Oh? Absolutely? Does he have the best arm?
Oh god absolutely? Is he the most fun to watch?
He and Lamar way up there. But I don't think
he's as strong as Wentz, not as big. I mean,
when I watched Cam Newton come into the league, I
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was like, the hell is that? Oh my god? Big
Ben Patrick Mahomes is a slender kid who run a
four to eight forty, who's got a baseball arm. Is
fun to watch, is kind of got a magic Johnson
flair for the game, and I love him. But he
is not without fault. He admits this year I just
figured out how to read a defense. It's a little
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eight for that. But he's progressing. I've said before I
don't think he's scratching the surface, but I think we
have another level of Patrick Mahomes. I think he's going
to take it to another level. I remember when I
used to come back and criticize Aaron Rodgers. I used
to say, I don't think Aaron Rodgers is great. He's
not the leader of Tom Brady. I think he throws
the ball away too much. I don't think he Oways
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is the best guy in the huddle. I can remember
saying that six seven years ago and getting nothing but
heat on that, and saying, I think Aaron is an
unbelievable talent, but he's kind of He's six two two fifteen.
He's not big and strapping and strong. He gets hurt,
and sometimes he can be condescending, and he has a
weird thing where he doesn't have a lot to come
from behind wins and it's not always the packer's fault,
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and not every teammate likes him. And I think Aaron's
a first ballot Hall of Famer. But got five years ago,
I got crap non stop. It wasn't until about two
years ago when the media, even in Green Bay started
saying some of Aaron's problems are Aaron's fault. Holmes isn't
a perfect player. I think there's a lot of things
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Russell Wilson does better. I really do. I think there's
a lot of things Drew Brees does better than on
a scrimmage. I think Lamar Jackson's a way better athlete.
Patrick Mahomes ran a four eight forty in high school.
I run a four to seven five me. I'm a
radio idiot. Okay, so it's so Aaron. The gap between
Aaron Donald and the next best defensive player in this
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league is the Grand Canyon. I mean, who's the second
best defensive lineman in the league. Fletcher Cox. I don't
even think he's close to Aaron Donald. And Fletcher Cox
is a pro bowler and gonna be a Hall of Famer.
The gap between Mahomes and the other quarterbacks based on
multiple skill sets. It's not that great. Some guys are
better at stuff. And again, I can like you, but
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can we at least acknowledge Russell Wilson is overcoming an
antiquated offensive system, a bad online and undrafted wide receivers,
no tight end. I mean, Russell Wilson is taking a
lot of nonsense and getting to the playoffs. Can we
acknowledge that Patrick Mahomes has the best. His coach drives
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Bill Belichick crazy, Andy Reads a wizard, Travis Kelsey's the
best tight end with George Kittle in football, Tyreek Kills
the fastest human that's ever put on pads, and Brett
Veach is one of the smartest drafting guys in the league.
This idea that everybody's got a follow in line what
I really loved about yesterday. This is what I really
loved about it that Patrick Mahomes went to Twitter. He's
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very funny and he put a pencil up there. I'm
taking notes. I'm taking notes on this. That's why I
love Patrick Mahomes. That's why I love him. He gets it,
got a little chip on his shoulder. Not that's the
best thing that ever happened to Patrick Mahomes. This is
the best thing that ever happened to him. He's too
young to be getting five hundred million dollars and being
the talk of the town. This is a great day
for Patrick Mahomes. He got at chip on his shoulder. Hey, Patrick,
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you're the third best quarterback in the NFL, not third
best player. You're the third best quarterback in the NFL.
That's what players think. That is honestly jet fuel for
Patrick Mahomes and why he'll win more Super Bowls and
four more MVPs and make everybody in Kansas City happy.
All Right, I got this story. NBA's back tonight. Oh,
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we have arrived at a lake plentiful with fruit and vegetables.
Looks like somebody's looking for clicks true hoop website or something.
Henry Abbott, who I know and like. But what in
God's name is going on with Henry? He says, Lebron James.
The least told story in the NBA is Lebron's oppressive, overwhelming,
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and anti social competitiveness. It is ikey, It's the most
undertold story in the NBA. Abbott noted that James struggles
to be around normally motivated, gets in patient with those
who don't work as hard, little tolerance for mistakes. In fact,
Henry at one point says this this is worth a chuckle.
Lebron's current teammate, Anthony Davis, may be softening him since
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he has a special affection for the big man. I
want Lebron to be more like Anthony Davis the hell
out of here. That's the last thing I want Lebron
to be is that soft? Yeah, I'm sorry, Henry, I'm sorry,
True Hoop magazine, website, whatever you are. We've spent fifteen
years comparing Lebron and mj mostly doing a poor job.
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We finally figured out their match. They're obsessive because ninety
nine percent of the players in the NBA are playing
for a paycheck. Lebron's playing for immortality. So was Kobe
So's Michael so Are the Great? So is Elon Musk,
so is Jeff Bezos, so is Bill Gates, so is
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Steep Jobs. They're ruthless. They're relentless because they're not doing
it for a paycheck. Ninety nine percent of people in
America are going to work for a paycheck to be content,
to get their kids through school. They like their job,
they don't live it. That's fine, But for the truly gifted,
it's different, and we should never ask them to come
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down to us. They're not demanding we go up to them.
Lebron James is not demanding that Alex Caruso be six
eight and Tower and Tomahawk Duncan. He's not asking Alex
Caruso to do that or KCP. But he will not.
He's sure as heck, will not go down to your
workout standards. Thank God, somebody with the Lakers is obsessive.
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Do you think their front office is as good as
the Clippers? I don't. You think they're owners as rich
as the Clippers? I don't. Do you think they're rosters
as good as the Clippers? I don't. Thank God, he's compulsive.
Thank God, somebody with the Lakers is. Somebody is focused
and driven and willful. Would I respect Michael Jordan Moore?
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Let me ask you this as a parent, one of
my greatest fears, other than my kids running into traffic,
one of my greatest fears is they will not live
up to their potential. I think my kids are really good.
They're curious, they've got empathy, they're smart. One of my
biggest fears is I'm on my deathbed and they took
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all that potential and didn't do anything with it. You're
a parent, doesn't it worry ever? You just want the
best for your kids. Use all your gifts that I
didn't have. Would I respect Michael Jordan Moore today? If
he was less relentless, less willful, and wouldn't have tapped
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every ounce of greatness out of his potential. That's why
we loved Kobe, and why we love HMJ. That's why
we love Lebron because you get so rarely a Tiger
Woods or an Oprah or an Elon Musk who are flawed,
but they have this massive intellectual capacity or athletic capacity
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or emotional capacity and they just squeeze that damn towel.
They get everything out of it, and you become an icon.
Lebron doesn't ask you to be as great as him,
but he should never lower his standards for me or
you or Alex Caruso. This article is nonsense. I want
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Lebron to me more like Anthony Davis in what lifetime.
I want everybody that has nearly as much talent as
Lebron schoolteacher, scientist, engineer, radio host, be relentless, be willful,
be a pain in the arts occasionally, not every day.
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What you want for your kids is what the greats
all through this country give us. It's why we'll get
through COVID, because we've got nine thousand people working on
vaccines and they're brilliant. The idea that I'm supposed to
look at the greats in this country, the Mark Cubans,
the Obama's and I'm supposed to go, you know, if
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they can just slow down a little for me. Nah,
not remotely interested. And with that, stop babing Zion. That
story coming up next. Be sure to catch live editions
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Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app. This
idea that Lebron is antisocial when you look at Lebron,
have you ever thought there's somebody that's antisocial? That's what true?
Who wants you to believe? No, great people often don't
want to hang around mediocre people because they're busy doing stuff.
I mean, seriously, like Lebron anti social. I can tell
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you this. I know, I know exceedingly well, Lebron's best friend.
You can criticize Lebron for stuff antisocial? Is not it?
That is there are I've met a lot of anti social.
I'm antisocial. I like animals more than most people. I
like my dogs. I'm more anti social. The idea that
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Lebron's anti so what dude? His whole thing is outreach
and touching and connecting with people. Yeah, like that's that's
what people don't like. They criticize him for that, for
like wanting to be friends with everyone and bringing the
league together and oh god, Taco Tuesday. Yes, definitely not
anti said Okay, so I so here, here's the earth thing.
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And I was just talking about my kids and my
fears as a dad that they won't at least achieve
some of their talent, some of their capacity, or they
won't reach at least some of the heights. I think
they could. Um, we tend to u and I could.
I hope I'm not guilty of this. We all baby
our kids. There used to be something called helicopter parents,
where parents hover over their kids. Now they call it
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bulldoze parents, where parents like clearer paths their kids have
no problems. They call him bulldoze parents. I saw it
a lot in the Northeast. I saw it a lot
in the Northeast with prep schools. Parents just bulldozing a
pass so their kids have no struggles. Dad on the phone,
yell at the principle, how could you give my child
to be? It's bulldozing parents. So you end up raising
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a bunch of wheenies who aren't used to like getting
pushed back in life. You'll you'll notice most of the
great quarterbacks in the NFL. We talk about this all
the time, got told, no, got hit, got hurt, junior college,
too short, too slow. You give everybody a perfect childhood.
It's it's rough. I'm not saying Zion Williamson had a
perfect chilhood. That's not what I'm saying. But I'm already
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hearing a lot of this. Let's slow down on Zion.
Let's protect Zion. This is we're asking too much of Zion.
Here's his coach, Alvin Gentry as Zion debuts tonight, hopefully
talking about Zion going forward. I think he's a very
mature kid. You know, he's a twenty year old kid,
and I think a lot of times we forget about that,
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as we did with Lebron. You know, you know, these
guys are still kids there. You know, he does about
all of the nineteen and twenty year old people do.
So I think we've got to be a little bit
care about, you know, and all the extra things on
his shoulders. He's here to play, he's here to have
a good time. You know. Hopefully he'll be healthy enough
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to play r you know, in conditioning enough to play.
But other than that, we should we should treat him
like a twenty year old. Oh stop, you're the one
coach who just compared him to Lebron. You put him
in the same sentence with Lebron, and he's not going
to be Lebron. He's not going to be that good.
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Zion can handle it. Kids today are so much smarter,
so much more self aware. There's so many advantages with technology.
Zion knows what he's doing. He has more support than
players did in the seventies and eighties. Warren Buffett always
talks about this. Every generation of kids has a better
life and easier life and more support than the previous generation.
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Nutritional advantages, Michael Jordan didn't have, therapy advantages, psychology, coaching advantages,
and support personnel, personal coaching. Zion could get on the
phone today and get Adam Silver, Lebron, James, Michael Jordan,
Kevin Durant, Mike Shashevsky on the phone within five minutes,
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the NBA commissioner, the best college basketball coach, the Olympic coach,
the best player in the game, the greatest player ever,
the second greatest player ever. He could get all of
him on the phone in five minutes. On a cell phone.
He could be shooting a basketball with his left hand
and talking to him with his right hand. Stop bulldozing
the kids. He can handle it. Zion's a smart kid.
He was asked yesterday about the bubble. You know what
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he said in three words, I want to hoop. I
wanna hoop. Let me hoop. He can handle it. Did
you see how this kid handled Duke when he got hurt.
Did you see how he handled it? He handled like
a forty five year old. I'm fifty. I had cereal
for breakfast. I can't handle it. This kid handled the
Duke situation definitely smartly, like a grown up. If we've
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seen Patrick Mahomes, Patrick m Mahomes could if he didn't
have his act together, could unravel tomorrow. He goes to
Twitter last night, a little clever thing. These kids today,
these athletes. I've been saying this now for a while.
It is unbelievable how lucky we are as sportscasters and fans.
Find the bad guy, find the turd, find the bad
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NBA guy. I mean, don't get me wrong, the Lakers
look like a reality show. They got the goofiest set
of guys in the league. They literally should be a
hard knocks NBA, but they're goofy. There's not a bad
guy in the league. NFL's got some guys you have
to worry about. I'm not saying it's perfect, but the
stars J. J. Watt, Patrick Mahomes, Russell Wilson, Yah. I
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mean they're like good kids. They got a fortune there.
Zion's gonna be fine. His coach should stop putting him
in a sentence with Lebron James. That's not fair because
he's not gonna be Lebron. Good God, he's not gonna
be Braun. We're not gonna see Lebron. But there's never
gonna be another Lebron. Like that's over. It's like Tiger
Woods for twelve years, Tiger Woods, Dustin Johnson's great brooks
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Kepka you we're never gonna see Tiger again. He was
He wouldn't even a comet. He was a planet. It
flew by. We had to sweet and change the gravity.
It's like mentioning him when the Lebron is unfair. He
can handle it. This kid from day one duke basketball
shoe explodes. Nie has heard. He has been a total
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a nineteen twenty year old kid. Today is a thirty
year old. In the seventies and eighties, the coaching, the nutrition,
the trainers, the guidance, the financial support is so much
better today. Get Mike Schevski on, ask him what it
was like his first two years at Duke and ask
him what he's created Now. Those kids come out of Duke,
they are ready to roll, They are ready to go.
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They got financial support, insurance, parental support, therapy, nutrition training.
I mean, they got these kids. You don't think Kansas, Duke, Carolina.
Those kids come out of those programs and they see
miles ahead of where kids seventies, eighties, even Michael Jordan
saw in the nineties. Joy with the news, No, No,
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on the this is the herdline news. The Patriots had
a number of players decides to opt out of the
twenty twenty season. This sparked a conspiracy theory that Bill
Belichick was the master mind behind the players decisions so
that the team could tank in twenty twenty. But tank,
it's not tanking. Why are we on this. It's not
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tanking because we're not creative enough to come up with
a better term. We are. We call it restructuring. That
is not I mean Restructuring is not as it's not
as palatable as tanking is. Tanking is easy for a
writer to say because it gets a headline and clicks. Yeah,
I'm saying restructuring that's not sexy. But restructuring is what
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they're doing. They're not tanking. Nobody thinks they're going out
there like, listen, we're gonna lose twenty four nothing. What
they're doing is, oh, Brady left, we got a salary.
Care what the Dolphins did last year? What did they
call it? They call it a tank. Dolphins were never tanking.
They were owen early watched what the Dolphins did last
year if you never watched the games. No, in the beginning,
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I did think that it was a tanking because I
didn't know what was going to happen with Brian Flores.
But once I watched Dolphins, because I'm a Dolphins fan,
so once I watched the games, I was like, oh, well,
they have an actual plan. This is very interesting. Yeah,
Bryan Flores is actually a good coach, and they're actually
developing their young players, and they're playing hard and they
seem to be building a culture. So I'm okay with this,
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But you're not Okay with tanking, yeah we do. There
is no tanking in the NFL. You can't tank in
hockey and football. It's too violent, you'll get hurt. Well,
the problem is players don't actually tank, right. Organizations tank, yes,
players don't tank. So if an organization is planning on tanking,
they're going to bring They're either going to drop all
their stars, right, which is what the Dolphins essentially did.
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But the Dolphins were developing their young players in building
a culture. If you're tanking, you're just gonna just go
with whatever is there and not give them any support whatsoever,
because you want to lose. But players don't want to
lose because players are always auditioning and getting tape out
there for their next job. Same as coaches. Coaches don't tank.
Why would a coach tank, they goes. It goes against
what coaches and players are wired to do as human beings.
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Organizations in front offices tank, so they're still gonna go
out there and play hard. They're just not going to
have the support and the talent that they need to win.
But that said, Patriots safety Patrick Chung, who's one of
the players that opted out, is shutting down those rumors.
In a response to the theory, he tweeted, whoever said
that is dumb. Yeah, if you call it tanking, it
is dumb, right. So they I've always felt like this
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was a last year for the Patriots, even before Cam
was there. Now I think they are more interesting because
Cam is there. But then this has actually thrown a
new curve in the situation because they're going to be
missing a lot of great players. And again, I don't
have a problem with any players sitting out in this situation,
whatever the case may be, whether they have someone at
home that's vulnerable or not. Like this is a pandemic.
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Everyone is dealing with it however they want to deal
with it. We have no idea what's going on. We
don't know what's going to happen tomorrow. So if you
don't want to play, or you feel vulnerable, or you
don't want to put your family at risk, okay, Like
there's good no argument for me. They're physically going out
there and putting yourself at risk. So I'm fine with that.
But regardless of whether they opted that or not, this
season for the Patriots, which is not going to be
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a season that is going to lead them into the
future it's just an experiment with CAM. We'll see what happens.
I'm interested in watching and the players are opting out,
so we'll see what happens. So the ACC has announced
their plan for football in twenty twenty. The conference will
have an eleven game schedule with no divisions, starting the
weekend up September twelfth. Each team will play ten conference
games and one non conference games with two bye weeks.
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That's so if any thing happens COVID related, they have
a little more flexibility in the schedule. Yeah, Notre Dame
will be included in the conference for this season and
will be eligible to play in the ACC title game.
And this is finally the way it should be, which
is Notre Dame's no longer an independent. Let's get out
of the BYU Notre Dame independent. We've moved past that,
get into a conference. Yes, and all television revenue, including
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that from Notre Dame's NBC games, will be split between
the fifteen institution. So the ACC championship game will be
played in Charlotte, North Carolina, on either December twelfth or nineteenth,
and we'll feature the top two teams with the highest
conference winning percentages. So ACC has a plan, obviously pending
everything that's happening in the country at that time, but
they do have a plan. So Anthony Davis has been
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healing since he got poked in the eye during the
team's scrimmage Saturday. Despite some concern that he wouldn't be
available tonight, he fully participated in practice yesterday, and he
said the plan is for him to play in the
lakers first game against the Clippers. He was wearing some
protective goggles during some of the practice as well. That's fine,
get out there. He said he didn't anticipate having to
wear the eye wear in the game, but he gave
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it a test run. Lebron jokingly called him Anthony Jbarr Davis.
Bottom line is play Lebron would play with that. Well,
Lebron's played with the mask before, of course, which is
incredibly unconfret rib Hamilton for the Pistons played for like
a year. Yeah, I mean, you don't want anything on
your face when you're playing basketball. If you don't, if
you're not used. I said yesterday, I put myself in
the ice seven eight times during the show yesterday, still
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talked still tightly this is right here, gut tough work
over here. All right, joy with the news. Well that's
the news, and thanks for stopping by. The herd Line
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We got hoops tonight, so true hoop comes out, True,
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hoop comes out. Henry Abbitt writes a story said Lebron's
anti social, he's overly competitive. He Anthony Davis had softened him,
and my takeaways what time about? I want Lebron to
be more like Anthony Davis. I don't buy it. I mean, like,
I don't understand the criticism of Lebron. I don't buy this.
He's obsessive stuff. I think he's relentless, like the all
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time greats, like Elon Musk, like Michael Jordan. Yeah, what
are you? What are your takeaway on it? Yeah? And
look I know Himry well. He was a former editor
of the NBA at ESPN dot com and a great guy,
great reporter. But I agree, and first of all, Lebron
is far from antisocial. I mean, Lebron is one of
the most gregarious people that you'll meet, particularly in the NBA,
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So that that was wrong I do think he's obsessed
with greatness, which is which is what all the greats are.
Michael Jordan obviously was obsessed with greatness. And sometimes when
you're obsessed with greatness, it rubs people that don't mind
being mediocre or okay or very nonchalant about whinnie, it
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rubs them the wrong way. We saw it with Jordan,
Magic Johnson, for all the smiling and all that, he
was obsessed with greatness. Same with Larry Bird, Isaiah Tom
That's how the greats are, So there's no issue there.
And I even thought, like the story talked about how
because of Lebron's personality that some guys haven't like playing
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with him and things like that, I think it's more
about the fact that when Lebron plays, he everything goes
through him. I think that is what has kind of
pushed more players away than just Lebron's obsessiveness and control
over everything. Now I'm not saying it doesn't rub some
guys the wrong way, but I think the bigger challenges
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that everything goes through Lebron when he's on the team,
he becomes a system. He makes all the plays, and
that can be challenging when you're a great player. Even
if Kyrie Irving, who's a point guard, had to back
off and let Lebron handle the ball most of the time. Yeah,
which has never bothered being but I do believe it's
a reality to play with Lebron James, d Wade, Kyrie Irving.
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It's Lebron's team now Lakers Clippers tonight? Does it matter
more for one of the team teams? And why Colin
as excited as I am about this game just because
it's the return of basketball. What makes me even more
excited are the dynamics Now what has happened in the bubble.
The Lakers are focused, they are zero. Then Lebron James
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looked like he hasn't missed the beat. He looks like
he's in great shape. And that team is serious, and
the Clippers are the opposite. They got guys going in
and out of the bubble, guys you know, going to
nightclub and Kawhi doesn't look good in the first three
exhibition games. So my point is this, if the Lakers
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can't beat the Clippers tonight under these circumstances, They've got
a d they've got Lebron, they're healthy, and the Clippers
are without their third and fourth best players Lou Williams
and Montres Harold, and maybe their fifth best player, Patrick Beverley.
And if they still beat the Lakers tonight, then I
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don't know how you can think the Lakers are gonna
beat the Clippers in the playoffs if they lose tonight.
Now I think the Lakers will win, but if they lose,
that'll be three losses in four games this season. Twice
the Clippers will have been without their full complement of players,
and now they're just kind of lollygagging through the bubble
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so far, and they still could beat the Lakers. This is,
I would say, virtually a must win for the Lakers,
assuming they play Lebron in a D thirty plus minutes
and try to win. So Charles Barkley came on the
other day and he said, if the Lakers win, it's
up to Anthony Davis. I think I don't see the
Lakers as a championship team. I think they're gonna be
really good because of Lebron and a D, but I
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don't like their bench. I think it's an odd mix
of guys way past their prime. I don't trust Kyle
Kuzman in a big spot. Alex Caruso is limited. I've
never seen him in this moment. I don't think the
Lakers are a championship team. But your thoughts about how
valuable a d is is he more value the Lebron.
I think the Lakers are the second best team in
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the league. I think the Clippers are the best. So
I think if somehow, if the Clippers get upset by
someone else, or if the Lakers get past them, I
think they'll win it. I think they'll beat Milwaukee or
whoever were to come out of the East. Look, Lebron
is clearly the lakers most valuable player. I mean he
makes everything go. But I do agree with Charles in
that Ad will be the key. Doesn't mean he'll be
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the finals MVP necessarily, but he will have to be
dominant against the Clippers because Barkley's right, with Kawhi Leonard
and Paul George, they match up well with Lebron. We
saw in the first two meetings of the regular season
eat George wasn't even playing and Lebron was not able
to take over the fourth quarters. Because the Clippers have
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great perimeter defense. That means Anthony Davis, who the Clippers
have no matchup for it's going to have to be
dominant in the fourth and Colin that's one thing I'm
gonna be watching for tonight. In their three games, he's
averaged twenty six points. So that can fool you and
make you think, oh wow, AD's had his way with
the Clippers. But no, He's had eight points in the
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fourth quarters of the three games combined. That's twenty one minutes.
He's got to be much better. I've been saying it
all year. The Lakers need to get a d used
to being a go to guy in the fourth quarter.
So Alvin Gentry says, oh, come on, slow down on Zion.
We're putting too much weight in his shoulders. It's like
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Lebron and might take his Zion has shown us since Duke.
He's a big boy. He can handle this. He's got
maturity beyond his years. Nobody thinks he's gonna win the title.
That Alvin's Alvin's bulldoze, pairenting him. He's clearing all the
runway for him. It's like Alvin, chill out, well, this
is this is what Alvin does. And Alvin's a great guy.
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Anybody in the NBABLE to tell you that but he
under under what is it? Under promises and over delivered.
That's what he sets the tone. He always doubt plays everything.
So I look, I think right now, and as you
said earlier, you're absolutely right. First of all, why are
you putting him in the same sentence as Lebron if
you want to downplay expectations? I think right now, Colin,
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everything is great. All we expect from Zion is big
time scoring and excitement. That's it. Some dunk, some excitement,
some hype, and you give us twenty plus points. He
can do that. The challenge for Zion will come in
a few years, perhaps if it becomes a challenge, is
when people start expecting him to win, Daddy. Right now,
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he's got two, three years, four years maybe of a
honeymoon period. Yeah, where we just want the hype, we
just want the hind lights. Twenty five points and you're good,
You're an All Star every year. Once we start saying, okay,
can you win, that is when the challenge will become
for Zion because I'm not convinced yet that his greatness
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and he's gonna be a star will lead to winning though,
because you know, can he rebound the ball at big numbers.
We'll see. He's only give me a seven a game
right now, and they're winning. They're ten to nine with him, Colin.
They were eleven and five in the sixteen games before
Zion Report or Zion return, so they were already playing well.
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The good thing for him is he's with a really
good young team. You got lines Though, you got Ingram,
you got Drew Holliday, so they should be in a
position to win in a few years. I'm not sure
if he'll be the driving force, the number one guy,
but he'll put up big numbers and they should be
a pretty good team. So Nick Wright and I are
going to be at my house tonight having some tequila,
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watching it and going on Instagram, and so you'll want
to check that out, Bruce hard because there'll be a
lot of basketball knowledge being dropped on. I G. Law.
I've never done Instagram live tonight, and I'm doing it
with Nick writing t quilla. That sounds exciting, kind of exciting,
sounds dangerous. I couldn't see anybuddy, all right, but man,
not too much, not too much tequila, he said, of course,
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just one little little drop of tequila. So that Nick,
Nick Nick the tequila guy, I'm not, so we'll see.
Don't drink tequila. No, I do not. No, that's not
you know. No, no dark liquors, no RUMs for me,
no whiskeys, but tequila's I have snake dreams with wine.
It's I'm very limited. You are, Yeah, vodka, um, non
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alcoholic beer, not gonna happen. Get the beer gut without
the tipsy. Not interested? Coming up next? What is Major
League Baseball doing? What are they doing? That's coming up?
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and Noon Easter not a Empacific So uh strange. The
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Dodgers had the twenty seventeen World Series potentially taken from
them because the Houston Astros cheated. They had a spreadsheet
called code Breaker in which they stole signed and then
relayed them to hitters. That's sort of a no no.
They lost draft picks, but they never had a game
taken from them yet. Major League Baseball suspended for eight games,
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meaning the Dodgers will probably lose once or twice more
because Joe Kelly Pitcher has been suspended for throwing at
and over the head of Houston Astro batters. Lance McCullers
is a fine player, pitcher for the Astros, and he
did not like what Joe Kelly did. Joe Kelly threw
a ball behind Bregman's head on three and ow on purpose.
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Not only did you know, take it upon himself to
you know, I guess send a message, but he wasn't
even part of the team during that season. You know,
we knew coming into the game that he likes to
go off script. So it is what it is. It
was done unprofessionally. What do you get after you punched out?
Carey was unprofessional? Running into the dugout was unprofessional. So
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it is what it is. We're here to play baseball.
We just want to win, so you know that's it.
Let's deconstruct some of those comments. Joe Kelly did it
on purpose? Did you not cheat on purpose? Joe Kelly
was unprofessional. Rigging the twenty seventeen World Series wasn't unprofessional.
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All we're all we're here to do is win. No
in twenty seventeen, that's not all you were there to do.
You were there to rig the sport. Stop talking lance,
Stop talking baseball and other sports don't have this Baseball
polices itself. Baseball doesn't have a clock. Other sports have
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a clock. Baseball doesn't. Other sports have a salary cap,
all of them. Baseball doesn't. Baseball has a lot of
things unwritten rules other sports don't. Baseball's unique. And baseball
also has a system in which they police themselves. And
if you cheat, you will have a small, hard baseball
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thrown at you. Coliny thrown his head. He's a professional pitcher.
He knew where it was going. These are pro athletes.
They can move out of the way. Find me the
litany of players hitting the head boinked by a baseball
who never played again. It's short When astro supporters and
players and fans and coaches chalk about Joe Kelly's intent,
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he threw it a guy, your intent was to rig
the sport, I'm gonna go with that's worse. And baseball
never really punished you. Draft picks fired your gm oh
talk about a slap on the wrist. So baseball didn't
take away any games from you. So Joe Kelly is
doing what baseball pitchers and players do. And by the way,
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it is allowed because I've seen it a thousand times.
John Smoltz came on our show Hall of Famer and said, yeah.
Occasionally I was asked to throw it. Guys, all right,
you throw a little high, Well, what I only get
a hitch on the ankles. You rig the World Series
and I get a throw right at your butt. That's it.
You weren't limited? Why am I? I have no problem.
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When you work at a company, you have to know
what you can get away within what you can. In football,
if you jump offsides, this is why a lot of
edge rushers join. I talked about this yesterday. This is
why they guess. They guess, they get to a five
year penalty. This is why you see two or three
times a game a great edge rusher. He is guess
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and he is looking at that ball. He is moving
off set because that's not much of a penalty. In
the NBA, occasionally, to send a message, second quarter, you
do a hard foul, I gets a couple free throws.
That's why guys occasionally hard foul. In baseball, if you
cheat or stare at a home run, like it or not,
there will be repercussions. And that ball's a weapon and
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it hurts. And these guys throw ninety eight and you'll
get one in the ribs. Maybe sail it high. Joe
Kelly can occasionally be wild. He knows, he knows where
the ball's going. Nobody got hit, nobody got hurt, but
baseball was absolutely hurt by what the Astros did. I
think repercussions are okay. You stole something from us, Baseball
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didn't make it punitive. It's time we took it into
our own hands a little, a little, fine, little suspension.
I'm not saying life should be a prison yard, right,
That's not what I'm saying here. But throwing the ball
at a guy thrown behind him eight games seems a
little stiff to me. This is baseball. In football, you
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get a five yard penalty. In baseball, you get a
ninety eight mile an hour, a heater to the ribs.
Don't cheat, that's a you problem, Houston, and stop talking,
Lance mc colors. Intent sh don't want to hear it.
On purpose, not interested. All we're here is to win.
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Get a spreadsheet called Codebreaker. Hour two Peter Schreker, next
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wanna be joining this hour. Peter Schreker too, live in
Los Angeles, getting warm here. It's the herd wherever you
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Radio and right here FS one good show today. First
hour just roared through. Very aggressive. I've become very aggressive,
very aggressive sports takes. Yeah, Joy Taylor's joining me. Whenever
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I hear the Astros or this, like the Dodgers are
throwing at the Astros. What if it kills him? What if?
I can't live a what if life? What if I
drive to work today and somebody te bones me. I
can't sit and worry about it. Nobody's getting killed in baseball.
Give me the litany of players who've even like had
their careers manipulated by getting hit with a fastball. Like,
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stop with the what if stuff. I throw a fastball
at your ribs, it gets a little away and goes high. Duck.
You're a pro athlete, Duck. I mean, it's also why
they were helmets. But yeah, they were batting helmets. I
mean I didn't love throwing at his head. I have
no I have no problem with throwing at him. Yeah,
but again, I just don't want to hear from the
Ashtros to have some self awareness. I don't want to
(41:27):
hear from you. If there's another team talking about it
and they don't love it, Okay, I'll listen to that.
Bash knows. I have no interest in hearing from They
had a file called Codebreaker. I mean it's like, this
is this is you gotta pay your dues, you cheated,
you got the World Series. No one's taken in a way.
It's in the books, all right. Now you've got a
huge break. There's no fans to boot you at every
single stadium. This is what it's going to be. Yeah,
so tonight NBA's back. I do not think the Lakers
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are a championship team. I think they're just asking too
much of Lebron. I don't like the bench. Kyle Kuzma's
not a legitimate three. You don't know what you're getting.
Kuzma twe six one night, zero the next, thirty six
one night for the next. He did this all regular season.
It's who he is. He loses confidence and I don't
think Lebron trusts him. And I think Anthony Davis is
somebody that's I've never seen an alpha dog. I've never
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seen it. He's just talented. And I think in the NBA,
in the playoffs, two things matter, talent and leadership, and
he's just talented. Charles Barkley, though disagrees he thinks Lakers
are a championship team. I've always said this, I love
Lebron everything about him, but he's gonna come down to
Anthony Davis. Because you think about this, Lebron is gonna
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have his hands full with Paul George AKA why offensively
and defensively. So at his age, that's a lot to
ask to handle those two guys. Nobody in the NBA
can match up with Anthony Davis. To me, he's gonna
be the guy who's gonna dictate whether the Lakers win
the championship or not. And I think if that's the case,
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it's a not I've never seen him be a dog.
I've never seen him be a leader. I've never seen
him bark at a player. When KG and Rondo were
in Boston, they would they would bark at Doc Rivers,
forget forget teammates and opponents Miami, Lebron Wade Bosh barking
at Mario Chalmers. Great teams are verbal, and they bark
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and they demand, and they got dogs. Anthony Davis is
simply talented. I've never seen it. All the Anthony Davis
fans go, oh, they are numbers, numbers, numbers. He had
those numbers in New Orleans. They won a single playoff series.
I know he gets numbers. The playoffs aren't about numbers.
The playoffs are about leadership because these games are close,
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and the better coaches and the better stars and the
better I've seen bird yell at people. I've seen MJ.
I've seen Magic, I've seen Kobe, I've seen Lebroun, I've
seen d Wade, I've seen Kevin Durant, Barkett guys. I've
seen Draymond Barkett guys. Never seen Anthony Davis do it.
I want to see it. Otherwise you just talented. I'm
over talented. The world's full of talented people. Doesn't have
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many leaders. World's got talent everywhere. NBA's got talent everywhere.
How many leaders are there? Five eight seven, not a
lot of leaders. So if it's coming down to Anthony Davis,
even on those Pelican teams, remember when they won that
playoff series against Portland. The leader, the leader in that
series with Drew Holiday in Rondo, That's what everybody talked about.
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They're like, God, Drew Holliday just took the series over.
Anthony was just talented, And I don't think talent wins
it alone. I think Toronto won the championship last year.
They got some breaks with health, but they had great
leaders on the team. They had veteran players, They had
a coach that people believed in. They had Kawhi Leonard.
There was leadership all over that locker room. That Warriors
team wasn't just talent. Steph Curry and Kevin Durant, Draymond
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Green have real leadership qualities. Lebron d Way, you go
last twenty five years in the NBA, you go look
at that Dallas team that shocked everybody. There was leadership there,
Rick carl It was a veteran NBA team in dirt.
Nabisca is a bunch of old guys. They weren't the
most athletic, they had leadership. San Antonio's dynasty is about leadership,
not just talent. So if Anthony Davis is the reason
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you're gonna win a you gotta get me more than stats.
Gott to bark at guys, Gotta get after guys, Gotta
hold guys accountable. Leadership's hard talent. You wouldn't be in
the league if you didn't have it. NFL came out
yesterday nfl dot com Top one hundred players voted on
by the players. A lot of its nonsense, but they're
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you know, they're mostly accurate. Number one, Lamar Jackson, two,
Russell Wilson three, Aaron Donald, Paul, Patrick Mahomes number four,
and I think the thing I was happiest about, and
you know what it's going to be. The players now
are finally acknowledging Russell Wilson's great battle lines, below average
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tight ends, seventh round running back, anequated offensive system. I
was talking to a former NFL quarterback last night, a
guy I've never brought on this show before, really smart,
and he said, Russell Wilson is the doing more with
less quarterback in the league. That's not to say he's
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without flaws, but if you look at Lamar Jackson and
Patrick Mahomes, they got the coach and the system and
the old line and the weapons and the running backs,
and Russell does not This is finally players. By the way,
last year Russell Wilson was ridiculously twenty fifth in this
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This is players going, oh, we get it, and that's okay.
One of the things Bill Maher's a commentator on HBO,
and he said this for years and years with politics,
stop yelling and screaming because everybody doesn't get everything. At
the same time, twelve years ago, Barack Obama and Hillary
Clinton were opposed to gay marriage. It was a bad take.
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But you can't demand growth and perfection. If we're going
to grow, then we've made mistakes and we've been on
the wrong side of history and wrong side of humanity.
And so players for a long time they just didn't
get Russell Wilson and maybe the little smaller he didn't
have the mahomes arm. You know, the system over there
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is it was very Marshawn Lynch and defense and the
defense had a nickname and Pete Carroll's a legend. And
but if players now are acknowledging, all right, guy, they
have him second best player in the league. That's this
is where he should be, top three player in the league.
I've said I think he's the best football player in
the world. I don't necessarily think he's the best quarterback talent.
I think Mahomes is currently the best quarterback talent in
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the NFL. I could argue Aaron Rodgers is the second
best quarterback twn. Lamar is probably the greatest athlete and
getting better at the quarterback stuff. But Russell, to me
is the best football player in the league if you
combine playmaking, toughness, leadership, IQ, self awareness elevating others, world's
best football player right there, and by the way I've
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had I used to say this about Ladanian Tomlinson when
he played for the Chargers. I thought he was the
best football player in the world. He never fumbled, he
could catch, he could block, he could run, he was
a leader, he'd never got in trouble. He made everybody
better around him. I thought Ladanian Tomlinson for about five years,
was the world's best football player. I'm not saying most valuable,
but literally did everything well. I think Aaron Donald right
now is probably the second best football player in the world,
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and Russell Wilson won Aaron Donald two. The gap between
Aaron Donald and the second best defensive player in the league,
it's absurd Aaron Donald's graded everything, pass, rush, double team
against the run. Leadership never gets hurt, has to be schemed.
So it's nice the players finally got it. Took him
a while. I get it. By the way. I started
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the show today talking about there's an article out there
criticizing Lebron for being antisocial. True Hoop went out and say,
you know he's antisocial, he's overly obsessive, which I don't
even know what that means. I mean, you're obsessive or
and I don't know what over it. What's the line
on obsessive? But I saw a story in May and
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I just I wrote, sometimes the media wears me out.
Most people in the media are not aspirational. I mean,
if you wrote two columns a week and that's all
you do, it's a nice lifestyle. You go to games,
get free hotdogs, a couple of columns a week, you're
not trying to change the world. But don't criticize people
like Michael Jordan and Elon Musk who are trying to
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change the world. So Slate, which is kind of everybody's
a victim website, they wrote an article about Michael Jordan
and the and the headline was, is there anything more
to Michael Jordan than basketball. If this documentary is the
final word in his legacy, the answer is apparently not.
Oh good, Hellum had an incredible relationship with his mother,
(49:49):
great relationship with his wife, close to his kids. He
has an incredibly tight circle of friends, same guys for
twenty five years. He's got a hobby gone loves it.
If that and oh, by the way, his profession, he's
the greatest in the world at it, not just basketball
at peril. If that's not a full life from some
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sportswriter for Slate, what's your life look like? The documentary
was a journey through the nineteen ninety eight season when
the general manager said we're firing Phil Jackson. Regardless, that's
what the documentary was about. It was about a season
of Michael Jordan. They sprinkled in his family, they sprinkled
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in parts and elements of his life, but his wife
did not appear in it. Michael probably didn't want his
wife in it. He probably don't want his kids in it.
You know a lot of people in my business don't
put their kids on Twitter or social media. I don't
want their kids out there. The idea that Michael Jordan
has this shallow life. Oh my god, he sleeps with
a basketball. What a ship he's got. If I know
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somebody and they have a great relationship with their parents
and a great relationship with their kids, and they've had
professional success and a good hobby, I'm out. That's a
great life, parents, kids, tight friends, good career, and yet
even have a hobby. Everybody should have a hobby. Everybody
should have a good hobby. That's not a complete life
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like the media is. You know why can Most of
the media aren't aspirational. They're right there two columns, get
a free hot dog at a game and go home.
That's what your life is. You just don't get. You
don't get those like Michael and Lebron. And we have
politicians in this country. They're they're they're immortals. They want
to be. They see they can change the world, not
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just change a comma on a column. Michael doesn't have
a life. I mean, people are. It's just it's incredible
the goal of it. If that's not having a life,
I would like to sign up. Yeah, can I have
Michael Jordan's lousy life, great relationship with his mom, his kids.
He's had to say, Michael's had the same group of
about six guys he runs with for twenty years. That's
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that's the way to do it. Also, being obsessed with
what you're great at is not a bad thing. Yeah,
Like if I if I was obsessed, if I was
obsessed about like singing, and I have no I can't sing,
I have no ability, I can't carry a single tune. Yeah. Actually,
I think we all probably know someone like that who's
obsessed with something they like but they are not particularly
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talented at. It's called American idol. People spend twenty years
and like, at one point, Simon Caligos, your grandma told
you you could sing. I'm here to tell you can't.
That's sad being obsess of something you're not good at.
If I was obsessed with a golf it'd be pathetic.
I'm losing nine golf balls around. That would be pathetic.
Being obsessed with basketball. If you're Michael, why not, that's
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what God. God gave you some gifts. Chase that thing
that the impat you're supposed to do. Actually, if Peter
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Good to have you in. By the way, we were
talking about this earlier, the tanking story on the Patriots.
(53:50):
Patrick Chung came out and said that Patriots aren't tanking.
Anybody that says it is dumb. Words matter, Terms matter.
It's not tanking. It's restructuring with an eye on the future.
Back in twenty eleven, Peyton Manning was cleared to play
by the Colts. The medical staff cleared Peyton Manning to play,
(54:12):
and the Colts said, no, he's said, we're not going
to play him Andrew Luck is available. Is that tanking?
It's restructuring. Peyton Manning was cleared due play medically, and
the owner and the GM decided we would be best
served if he did not play. We've seen this before,
(54:34):
allowing players to go, not signing free agents, three A
plus college prospects. Words matter, That's why have you ever
noticed this. Instead of calling somebody a sales person, companies
call them account executives because salesperson's like, oh here it
comes Bob, the salesperson. He's gonna sell you, sales guy.
(54:58):
But account executive. Bob's an executive, he's got several accounts.
We used to call secretaries. Now it's an executive assistant.
She works with an executive and she is assisting him
into great things. Sounds more formal and professional. Gwyneth Paltrow
(55:20):
got a divorce was not a divorce Gwyneth Paltrow called
it a conscious uncoupling. Now that's nauseating in very Hollywood,
but it was a It was a conscious uncoupling. It's
not tanking, it's restructuring. Twenty eleven, Peyton manningcom play Sit
My Young Child, The Prodigy in Stanford is next. We
(55:43):
are restructuring with an eye on the future. That's all
they're doing. I feel like I have to teach America
all day long. It's exhausting. It's exhausting having to show
America what's happening. Peter Schreger. I don't have to teach
schreg or anything. He is winning us in New York. Sit,
he's done. Good Morning Football. Watch it after you watch
(56:05):
our show. Look at Schreeger. So. By the way, last year,
fourth quarter passer Raiding Mahomes was eighteenth. I love him,
but he ran a four eight forty. He's not as
athletic as Lamar. He's not as elusive as Russell Wilson.
He's unbelievable and I love him, but I saw him
get shut out in the first half against New England
(56:26):
in the AFC Championship a year ago. I saw him
play poorly for three quarters in the Super Bowl. Don't
I have a right to say Aaron Donald's the best
football player? Lamar is the best football player. It's not crazy,
is it crazy? Patrick Mahomes is the best football player
this league has seen in decades. This is the greatest talent,
and the second we can tear him down, we find
(56:47):
a way to do it. I see these results as
the peers voting for it, So I can't take any
you know, a fan as a writer. It's not like
I'm not the one who's disparaging him. But the last
game we saw, you know, We're sitting there in green
room calling of the Super Bowl, and I got Carissa
and Greg Olson next to me. It's a ten point
lead with seven minutes left, and they start preparing their
thoughts to explain how the forty nine ers put the
(57:09):
kabash on the chief chairs A slowdown, slowdown. This guy
is never dead, and this guy is unlike anyone else
in the league. And he runs that wasp play, runs
a couple of plays like this. Sorry, Richard Sherman. I
know they voted earlier in the year, and I'm not
going to disparage Lamar or Aaron Donald, but I've seen
Lamar Jackson contained in the final two playoff games. I've
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seen him play last year against the Chargers, in this
past season against the Titans, I've never seen Mahomes stuffed.
Even when they stopped him for the first three quarters
in that Patriots AFC Championship game. They found a way
to score thirty one points in that game. I don't know,
Colin Again, these lists, Madden rankings, NFL Network rankings, people
can get upset. Mahomes is the best player of football
in the most important position in the most important sport
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in our country. So I'll stick with Mahomes. Thanks, all right.
So what did I last have you on last Thursday
or something? Okay, So the Jamal Adams trade happened, so
I was looking it up last night. There's only been
like in the last thirty years, like eight players who
have been traded for two first round picks, only three
defensive players. One of them was Khalil Mack. Yeah, okay,
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this is a safety. If you look at units how
units are paid in the NFL, only tight end in
the last ten years has been below safety in terms
of average pay. I got no acts to grind. I'm
from Seattle, but man they gave up a lot for
Jamal Adams, No, sure did, and you're hitting it, Kylan.
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Everyone's looking at this as he's such a good player.
He's a top ten pick. He plays the safety position.
The Jets have already got a lot of money wrapped
up in a linebacker, a running back in Levion Bell,
and they're gonna have to pay Sam Darnold. When Jamal
Adams went on the record with the New York Daily
News the Friday before that weekend and essentially called as
general manager a liar, called out his head coach and
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then tweeted about the owner ship group that was that
he wrote his own farewell letter out of New York.
And then when the deal came in, Jets couldn't say no, Look,
here's the truth. Is a fantastic player and just why
he's gonna be awesome in Seattle. I think he fits
their culture great. But last year at the trade deadline
openly telling members of the Dallas Cowboys to tell their
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franchise and come and get me and doing it publicly,
Jets could not start the season knowing that this guy
might have to want to be paid fifteen million dollars.
Is a malcontent and doesn't play the position that they
want to invest their money when you budget a team out.
So it was basically Joe Douglas saying, I'll take the picks,
we'll go from there, and we'll pay Sam Donald and
we'll see what we can do. I don't have doom
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and gloom on the Jets on this thing. I think
both sides didn't make out well. But like you said,
the Raiders got less for Khalil Mack, one of the
premier pass rushers in the NFL, than the Jets did
for a safety with two years left on his contract
who has been publicly belly aching for the past six months.
So I think the Jets made out well, and I
think the Seahawks are going to make out really well
because if Adams is happy, there might be no better
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safety in the league. In twenty eleven, Shrigs Peyton Manning
was cleared to play, and the cult said, no, we
have a prodigy in Stanford we like very much at quarterback.
I never thought that as tanking. I think of it
as restructuring. I'll give you an example. I sold recently
some starbuckstock. I didn't buy it to sell it, but
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I'd made some capital gains this year, and I thought
now's a good time to take a step back for
two steps forward. I'm not calling it tanking, but the
most prepared, detailed team they have a plan on how
to go to the bathroom is the Patriots. I'm supposed
to believe all this stuff now, four times as many
players have opted out than an either team. They were
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not aggressive in free agency, they had no real plan
when Brady left. They let go of marginally expensive players.
I'm not calling it tanking, That's not what I'm staying,
but it does appear to be very timely restructuring with
an eye on quarterbacks next year. Can we at least
acknowledge that I've spoken to so many executives at different
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teams about what the heck is going on in New England,
especially the last seventy two hours with all the opt
outs of these veteran players. And of course each player
individually has a valid reason, and we're not going to
get into all that, but it does seem odd that
the Patriots would have stars that are making eight million dollars,
other stars that are making big salaries opting out all
others are not. And here's the feeling It's one of
two things. Belichick has something up his sleeve which you
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might indicate might be a look towards the future and say,
this season, we're gonna take a mulliget on it. We're
gonna compete, We're gonna do it again. But guess what,
there's a chance that if it doesn't work out, well,
here's some reasons why, and maybe we can go from there.
The other thing is that maybe Belichick said to his players, hey,
do what's best for you. I will not hold it
against you, and if you really want to go do this,
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go for it, and then we'll be back in better
than ever next year. I am fascinated by this Patriots situation,
and yet Colin unlike that Colts team who I couldn't
even tell you who the back was. It might have
been Curtis Painter that years, I wouldn't bet against the Patriots,
not in the AFC East. And as long as that
man is calling Clays and as long as Josh McDaniels
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has drawn up the offense, I'm not thinking any other
team to win that division, Buffalo Bills included. I gotta
tell you, I still think the Patriots as long as
he's there will find a way to compete, whether they
want that or not. By the way, it is interesting,
what did you make of in that NFL Top one
hundred pull Aaron Rodgers wasn't the first best quarterback, the
second best quarterback, the third best, the fourth beat they
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had him? I think it was sixth best quarterback in
the NFL. You and I think last couple of years,
have you know acknowledge he doesn't quite look the same.
It's kind of like players now who held him in
goat status four years ago. There is a little erosion
with Aaron Rodgers. I would say current vibe or legacy right,
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I don't. I mean, look thirteen and three last year
limited offensive weapons, Davante Adams injured and they still went
to the NFC champion Ship game. I don't know how
his peers view him, and they clearly look at guys
like Lamar and others. But what I was fascinated by
Russell Wilson. Colin got zero votes for MVP last year,
I meaning the writers who vote for the MVP. Zero votes.
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In fact, the crazy stat Russell Wilson has never received
an MVP vote in his career, not one ever. The
list of guys who've gotten at least one MVP vote
is endless. For Russell Wilson to finish second above Patrick Mahomes,
above Aaron Rodgers and the eyes of the players to
me was what's fascinating. But as far as Rogers goes,
everyone's telling me that he's dialed in, motivated, and you
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hear the same story every year. He's gonna make it work.
I don't think the shine is off Aaron Rodgers Jesse yet.
I think he might have one last chapter. It's a
Green Bay packer who might be this season. Shreig looks great.
Shreig's got about a day. He didn't shave this morning,
so he's got his razor stubble. He's got the hair
back of joy. He know what he looked. I just
watched I just watched a mob special in New York.
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He looks like a tough guy. You wouldn't want to
mess with this guy. Rich family which is the family?
Which Borro? I'm watching it too, Colin, you got Paul Costellano,
John Gotti. I mean, I'm in Brooklyn, am I underboss
and my captain of my soldier a Shrek. You're kind
of working a Bradley Cooper. Hangover, look he does, you're
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not too joy. I'll think that one. I think I
think he's got a Brooklyn. He's doesn't have a Staten Island. Look,
it's either Manhattan or it's Brooklyn. Definitely, it's definitely Manhattan. Yeah,
I'm thinking Patrick Bateman, American Psycho. Christian Bale's excellent reference,
great movie, excellent shregs, Good morning football and stuff. Good
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Here's joy with the news, No No turns. This is
the herd Line News. That's one of my favorite movies.
What's that American psycho? Oh it is really I don't
hold him in that highest I think really well. Bretty
Easton Ellis is a great author. So he wrote the book.
The book I liked that didn't the movie didn't really.
(01:05:21):
I love that movie. So the Chiefs have lost a
second starter for the twenty twenty season. The team announced
that running back Damian Williams has decided to opt out.
The Chiefs will now rely on first round draft pick
Cide Edwards Hilaire from LSU. Oh boy, he'll play day
one to fill the void in the backfield. So he was.
Damian Williams was obviously a big part of the Super
Bowl win. He caught the go ahead touchdown with US
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and three minutes to go and clinched the win with
thirty eight yard touchdown run with one minute remaining. So
super Bowl Hero not going to be there, But I
do I do like that they have Clyde Edwards Hilaire
to step in there. He's fox that him. That has
him second behind Joe Burrow with the best odds to
win Offensive Rookie of the Year. He's a good pass catcher.
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He'll fit into Kansas City really well. He was a
really exciting piece of LSU last year, and I like
this pick for Kansas City in the draft, so I'm
really interested to see how he does. I mean obviously
being able to step into a system with Andy Reid
and you know already a set offensive system this year
for a rookie is going to be a great situation
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for him, regardless, but now he's actually going to get
get a lot of playtime. Obviously, the other starting guard,
Laurent Dubern a tartiff, I'll opted it out as well.
He's going to stay in Montreal working with patients COVID.
He's a doctor. So there's been a lot of talk
about the NBA title having an asterisk this year. Chris
Vosh joined that conversation and he disagreed that the title
will be less meaningful. He said, some people are saying
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this year's championship is going to have an asterisk next
to it. Hell no, it's legitimate. If anything, winning a
championship during a pandemic will go down as one of
the biggest achievements in the history of the game. I
actually agree, no one. Let's be honest. Lebron's number one
in the Western Conference. He'll be the only guy potentially
wins a title without a single home game. It's a total.
Milwaukee doesn't get any home games. Do you ever played
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You see Milwaukee's home record the last two years. If
Milwaukee wins it, I'm not delegitimizing it. It's incredible. Well,
I think the conversation isn't so much about if one
of the favorites win, like the Clippers, the Lakers, the Bucks,
even you know, the Celtics. I think it's more about
if something happens in a team that we did not
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have in that conversation at the top of the league
wins a championship. But it's a Chris Bosh's point, and
I think I'm leaning this way as well now because
I'm like, you know, I kind of want to wait
and see what happens before I determine how I feel
about this year's championship. But with everything that's going on,
the unbelievable job at the NBA is has done setting
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up the bubble and keeping everyone safe inside the bubble
and everyone following the rules. Obviously we haven't been there long,
but they up until this point, they've done a tremendous job.
I'm with him. This is an unbelievable, unprecedented situation that
they're in mentally, emotionally, obviously physically, the anxiety of dealing
with everything else that's going on in the world, on
top of having to put to play basketball I'm with him.
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This is one of those situations that we're going to
look back on and if anything, we're gonna talk about
what an incredible feat it was to come back, finish
the season and win a championship in this time. I
don't think good an astra because even necessary to immensely
we'll remember it that way. But it's not going it's
not going to delegitimize the championship in anyway. I think
it looks like the optics. I think it's the aesthetics
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look great. I think the whole thing is gonna work.
I mean, I think MLS and NBA the bubble hockey,
by the way, same thing, eight hundred tests, no positives.
The bubble may be the way to do it. It
may be the only way to get this crap done. Also,
you know, just really strong, strong, patient, measured leadership. Who
would think that that would yeah, be important and lead
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to success. The odds when the NBA title, according to
Fox bet Bucks, a favorite at plus two fifty Lakers
plus two fifty Clippers plus three hundred Rocket Rockets, Celtics
are best bet on that board, best bet on at
the dark horse team, best bet on the board right there,
I may just knock down a couple. I might put
down a crisp Hundy on the Celtics. A Hundy. Whoa,
(01:09:18):
I'm gonna go a Hundy. Well, what's your what's your
standard for what? Excellence? Domination? What do you mean my stand?
You like you have a standard? Bet right, I'll usually
do a Hundy. Okay, yeah, I mean you've told me
before and then something. Every once in a while you
get really crazy. Not a lot. I bet a Hundy.
I bet a hund a lot, you know, but didn't
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like twice no, no no, no, no no, A couple times a year. Yeah,
I bet. I bet ah Clemson to beat Ohio State.
And I'm not even going to get into what I bet.
It was a for me, it was a massive amount.
It was for me, it was a stack. I didn't
even tell my wife it was too much money, I felt.
I just I wouldn't even tell Anne. I'm like, I'm
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not even got like disrespectful, believe me, because I could
have bought a nice tennis bracelet for her with that,
Like if she knew I bet that. Ye see, that's
like when I gamble, I have a certain amount that
I'm comfortable with losing. Yea, and past that. It's not
a loss to me. It's just like that was that
was my investment, my entertainments one hundred dollars. If you'll
win one hundred dollars, it's enough to feel good because
I can take my wife out to dinner. Yeah. If
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I lose it, I'm fine. Well yeah, because it was like,
you're entertainment dollars. I'm not going to ever get into
a space where I'm like getting anxiety abet how much
I'm gonna lose. Speaking of the Rockets being favored, Rockets
guard Eric Gordon suffered a left ankle sprain during the
team's scrimmage Tuesday. His X rays came back negative, which
is good, but he's still gonna be out for approximately
two weeks. The Rockets play their first seating game tomorrow
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against the Mavericks. It's a bad break for them, it is.
Eric Gordon is a is a great player for them
and a very crucial piece. It's good news that he's
only going to be out for two weeks, but obviously
we're all monitoring these kind of early injuries to see
how they they manage them in there. But fingers crossed,
fingers crossed that's not helping the Rockets. No good stuff.
Joy with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks
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played in that league for twenty years. He's joining us
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The code is h e r D. Jason Terry is
supposed to join us here in a minute or two.
Played nineteen years in the NBA. Is he ready to
go nineteen years? Let's bring Jason Terry on. He's at
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Arizona Wildcat assistant coach now former NBA guard is joining us.
So I'm interested in Houston, Harden and Westbrook. Small ball.
You're a coach now you I think you played with
Harden in Houston. It's very ball dominant, Jason. This small
ball with Westbrook and Harden, how do you think it's
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gonna work in the playoffs? Well, when you have two
of the most dynamic and proliferic scorers as NBA has
ever seen. You give yourself a realistic chance to win.
And I think playing small ball is very different than
all the other teams in the field, and so that
two gives them a competitive advantage. Now, obviously there's challenges
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in the paint. They don't have much rim protection. But
I'm telling you what, they score the ball so well,
those two guys, and they put so much pressure on
your defense that you're gonna have to divise a game
plan to be able to stop them. And if their
role players are hidden threes like PJ. Tucker and the
other guys, I mean, they're gonna be a tough out
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for anybody to face. Definitely a tough matchup, for sure.
Some have suggested that the Clippers have taken this whole
regular season way too lightly. The Lakers, in contrast, they
look like they wanted to be the number one seed.
The Clippers have substituted extra Landry Shamat schmat Is miss
seventeen games, Paul George thirty Kawhia dozen. Everybody's saying, uh,
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you know, they don't you know, it's just very laid back.
Do you buy that that the Clippers haven't quite found
their urgency this year. Well, I just believe because of
the things that you named, you know, injuries, guys managing minutes.
You know, their chemistry is not quite where they want
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it to be. And hopefully, you know, in this bubble environment,
they can get it speeded up a little bit. And
so eight games is going to be tough to do it.
I mean, you've got three guys Montrez Errol, Lou Williams
and Patrick Beverley, guys that have missed time even though
they're in the bubble environment, so that chemistry is still
going to be a little fragile. Yeah, but when you
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have guys at all doors. But while Leonard who has
proven on the biggest stage, in the biggest moments that
they can deliver, they got a chance. They have a
realistic shot. And Doc Rivers is a great coach. He
knows how to get his guys ready and he'll have
them prepared for the battles that they will face. Not
going to be easy though, but they'll definitely be ready
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because defensively is where they yeah hang their head. Okay,
Lakers don't have much of a bench. I don't trust
Kyle Kuzma yet in a big spot, I like Lebron,
A d and Danny Green. But man, there's a bunch
of questions after that. Are they a title team? Jason
in your opinion, I mean, you're talking about Lebron James.
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Out of the last nine years, going to the finals
eight consecutive times. He had last year to kind of rest,
reboot and re energize and get that fire back. Bernie,
he is chasing Notti championships. He is chasing greatness and
you can see it. You can see it in his demeanor,
his mentality, the way he answers questions. I mean, he
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has a lot to prove in year seventeen in his career,
he still has plenty of juice slept in the tank.
And then you add Anthony Davis, who at one point
when he was healthy was probably the top three players
in our league and still can say that to this day.
If you look Davis known a small sample size nine
career playoff games, he's averaging thirty plus points and over
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ten rebounds that game. This is a weapon that Lebron
has not had in all his finals runs. But if
you do know the similarity in all his finals runs,
he has had another dynamic score next to him, Kyrie
Irvant Duwayne Waite in the times that he's won the championship,
so I believe Pebe hasn't seen him do it. He
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also has some experience on that coach step. The friend
of mine, Jason Gett, will have him prepared and ready
for the challenges that he will face. I know Anthony
Davis is talented, but I've never seen the dog, and
the playoffs are about the dog barking, hold teammates accountable.
I don't care that he's gonna get twenty seven and twelve.
I want some leadership from Anthony Davis. I don't know
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Jason if he has it, does he is that in
his DNA? Yeah? Not. His role on the stigular team
is to lead. All he has to do is deliver consistently,
give consistent defense, make baskets, and when his number is called,
he is going to take the lot or put with
the deepest in a ball and row position, and then
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rim protection. If you look at the Lakers, they have
three dynamic rim protectors Hall of Famer Dwight Howard, Anthony Davis,
and Jabelle McGee. No other team in the league Eastern
Conference or Western Conference has that trifecta of rim protection,
and you know you're gonna need that when it comes
to a half court, grinded out game in the playoffs.
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Zion Williamson, I love him. What should I expect from
him as a twenty year old in his first potential
playoff run? If he can get there? What is a
reasonable thing to expect from a nineteen twenty year old kid. Well,
I think there's gonna be some highs and the lows. Right,
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You're going to see the dynamic ability of his ability
to score, his ability to make highlight real plays. He's
become a great passer, also a facilitator when he's been
a double team. But I'm telling you, in the playoffs
as a young player, you're just not ready for the
intensity level. It's not anything that he's ever faced in
the NCAA tournament or anything that he's faced this season.
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So I think the intensity level be it's gonna be
adjustment for him and then taking the same opponent, right,
facing the same opponent who is gonna know and take
away your strengths on the offensive end, He's gonna face
different type of coverages. You know, he may see some
double teams. It's gonna be adjustment for him. But what
I can tell you physically, he has it that he's
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going to be a Starlings league for years to come.
It's all about mentally as far as he's going to
be able to develop. You know, how far how long
will it take for her to develop mentally that killer
mentality that we've seen in young players like Kobe Bryant
out of young Gates, Lebrod James out of young Gates,
those type of players. But he fits it. He has
the body tight Arizona Wildcat assistant coach, Friend of the
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Show nineteen years an NBA or Jason Terry. It's great
seeing your nice office there today. Jason. Good luck to
you in the Wildcats down in Tucson. Bear down there,
you go, bear down. You know the NBA. The thing
about the intensity. Now, we got about eight games. It
gonna take about three weeks until we get to the playoffs.
It starts tonight. So so the first eight games, a
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lot of it is, you know, crossing your fingers on injuries.
Guys get in shape. There's a couple of teams like
the Pelicans that can play their way into the playoffs.
Maybe I think it's kind of said. I think we
know who's a playoff team and who's not a playoff team.
I don't think you need as many games. I will
say this about the NBA. I always said football is
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Italian food. It's pizza. Everybody sort of likes it. It's lasagne,
it's pizza. NBA's more sushi. You're into it or not.
There's a lot of critics of the NBA. You know,
there's people that don't like the way they handle China,
and they're they're they're very much into their politics and
their players are very outspoken. But remember this about the NBA.
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The people who are into it don't care. I like
the NBA have since I was like nine years old.
I don't care about that stuff. I don't care about
the China situation. I mean, in the end, every single
league has a story they'd rather not go public. I
mean the NFL, and we love the NFL. Joey's brother
was a Hall of Famer. They had to write a
nine hundred million dollar check for some concussion stuff. They
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didn't weren't real. Fourth right on Baseball had a steroid issue.
I don't know for a decade and everybody knew about it.
These leagues aren't perfect their businesses. Amazon's got issues, SODA's Apple,
They're not perfect businesses. But I would say this about
the NBA. I think Adam Silver has done a great job.
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I think the aesthetics of what I've seen so far
is so much better than I thought. Every time I
watched one of these highlights. When I'm talking to a guest,
I'm like, I thought it was just gonna be I honestly,
I remember thinking it's just gonna be like Rutgers Park.
It's gonna be like a park. It's gonna be terrible.
And I gotta tell you something. It looks great. I mean,
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I think the baseline, I wish they had an ad along.
It looks a little hollow on the baseline, But side
of the courts looks fantastic. They have done such a
good job, no positive tasks. They're gonna have a handful
of guys leave the bubble. Whatev's chicken wing girlfriend. I'm
not a moralist. Overall, I think the league has done
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a great job. Tip of the cap. Adam Silver done
a great all these leagues have. But I think the
NBA deserves a lot of credit. This was not easy.
I asked the airline, Ask American restaurants, ask governors, ask
our president. This stuff's hard. Hour three next one more heard.
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Had an earthquake today four point five on the Richtor
This is the Herd, wherever you may be and however
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Joy Taylor felt the earthquake this morning. Joy, please explain.
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I was terrifying. I've felt a couple of earthquakes, but
they've all been when I'm awake and you just kind
of feel like, get dizzy or something for a second,
and then you realize what's happening. But this one woke
me out up out of a complete sleep. What time
four thirty the morning? Yeah, yeah, that's what I woke
up at four thirty this morning. Did not know what
woke me up because I was sound asleep and I
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woke up and I knew something woke me up. Yeah,
I heard it and then I felt it and it
was loud, it was It's really scary because you don't know,
first of all, like you you you're waking up in
your house is shaking, so that's obviously disturbing, but you
don't know when it's gonna end. So even though it
was only a few seconds, it feels like an eternity
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because you're like, okay, like is it gonna get worse?
Is it gonna keep going? Everything's gonna fall apart? And
I was in a complete sleep, so I was panicking. Yeah,
I've been in several earthquakes. Often people rally around me
as I saved lives and things are falling from the sky.
In this instance, I was home alone and it did
wake me, although I didn't know until about ten minutes
later when I grabbed my phone and everybody freaked out
(01:22:38):
about the earthquake. What it was. So, well, that's good,
that's happened to me before it too, Like I've kind
of woken up. And then the next day I found
out it was an earthquake, but this one it was
very aware it was. It was a shaker. Then we
were in our morning meeting this morning and it yep,
and we were like five stories up. Little unnerves. Always
an interesting experience, but it tell you, I mean, everybody's
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got suthing. You live in Hawaii, you got volcanoes, Well yeah,
I mean yes, Like people always ask in California if
you like you feel earthquakes and you're like, yeah, it's
part of the deal. But the difference between earthquakes and well,
I guess, I don't know. I you can predict hurricanes,
you just you don't know when earthquakes. I'm I would
rather live in a place that shakes uncontrollably for ten
seconds every twenty years than someplace that has nine months
(01:23:20):
a lousy weather. Yeah, I mean yeah, it's we live here,
So that's that's the tradeoff that we're making. NFL Top
one hundred list is out. Darryl moose Johnson, broadcaster, former
Cowboy three Rings, join us his thoughts about the rankings
of some of the players. Best for last, I love
this game. It's called the three word game. I'll take
all the teams in the bubble my three words about
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what I expect to see. But last night the NFL
Network released their top ten players. They slowly do it.
They released twenty five every day their top one hundred,
and people were very upset with where you know Patrick
Mahomes landed Lamar Jackson finished number one Russell Wilson and two.
Oh my god, Patrick's four and the third best quarterback.
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So let me ask you. Did you watch the Super
Bowl where Patrick Mahomes was outplayed by Jimmy Garoppolo for
three and a half quarters midway through the fourth quarter
of the Super Bowl With superior weapons and a superior
veteran coach, Patrick Mahomes had no touchdowns, two picks and
should have had three, and was outplayed outplayed by Jimmy Garoppolo.
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Did your television not work? Did you watch the game
that he trailed at home to Houston twenty four nothing
in the playoffs, or where he was shut out in
the first half the year before in the AFC Championship
against Bill Belichick and looked awful, finished the game completing
fifty percent of his throws and trailed by four touchdowns
entering at home the fourth quarter. Or did you watch
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him get outplayed by Jared Goff a couple of years ago.
Patrick Mahomes is believably talented, but he admitted quote late
this year, unquote, I learned how to read a defense.
He's not without fault. I'm gonna throw a number at
you and you're gonna be surprised. I'm gonna tell you this.
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He's not the best athlete in the league at quarterback.
Patrick Mahomes ran a four eight forty. Lamar Jackson is
twice twice the athlete. Lamar Jackson's the fastest player on
his football team. Patrick Mahomes may not run the fastest
forty at quarterback for the Jeeves. He's a four eight
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forty guy. He's not as dynamic athletically as Lamar Jackson.
He's not as experienced or as elusive as Russell Wilson.
Why Russell never gets hit. He doesn't have the release
of Aaron Rodgers, nor does he see the field like
Tom Brady and probably Drew Brees and Russell Wilson. He
is not without fault. Do you realize Patrick mahomes fourth
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quarter passer ratingast year in the regular season was eighteenth.
That is with Andy Reid, Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelsey, Mitchell Schwartz,
Damian Williams. That is with an unbelievable, unparalleled, unrivaled schematic.
Andy Reid weapon cast. He was eighteenth. He was getting
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beat badly at home, shut out by New England. Worked
in the Super Bowl. He was not great in the
Super Bowl for the first three and a half quarters.
Now now, is he a great talent? Oh? Absolutely? Does
he have the best arm? Oh god absolutely? Is he
the most fun to watch? He and Lamar way up there.
But I don't think he's as strong as Wentz, not
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as I mean when I watched Cam Newton come into
the league, I was like, the hell is that? Oh
my god, big Ben. Patrick Mahomes is a slender kid
who run a four eight forty, who's got a baseball arm.
Is fun to watch. He's kind of got a magic
Johnson flair for the game, and I love him. But
he is not without fault, he admits this year, I
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just figured out how to read a defense. It's a
little late for that. But he's progressing. I've said before,
I don't think he's scratching the surface. But I think
we have another level of Patrick Mahomes. I think he's
going to take it to another level. I remember when
I used to come back and criticize Aaron Rodgers. I
used to say, I don't think Aaron Rodgers is great.
He's not the leader of Tom Brady. I think he
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throws the ball away too much. I don't think he
always is the best guy in the huddle. I can
remember saying that six seven years ago and getting nothing
but heat on that and saying, I think Aaron is
an unbelievable talent, but he's kind of He's six two
two fifteen. He's not big and strapping and strong. He
gets hurt, and sometimes he can be condescending, and he
has a weird thing where he doesn't have a lot
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of come from behind wins, and it's not always the
packer's fault, and not every teammate likes him. And I
think Aaron's a first ballot Hall of Famer. But got
five years ago. I got app non stop. It wasn't
until about two years ago when the media, even in
Green Bay started saying, some of Aaron's problems are Aaron's fault.
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Mahomes isn't a perfect player. I think there's a lot
of things Russell Wilson does better. I really do. I
think there's a lot of things Drew Brees does better
at the line of scrimmage. I think Lamar Jackson's a
way better athlete. Patrick Mahomes ran a four eight forty
in high school. I run a four to seven five
me I'm a radio idiot, Okay, So it's so Aron.
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The gap between Aaron Donald and the next best defensive
player in this league is the Grand Canyon. I mean,
who's the second best defensive lineman in the league, Fletcher Cox.
I don't even think he's close to Aaron Donald. And
Fletcher Cox is a pro bowler and gonna be a
Hall of Famer. The gap between Mahomes and the other
quarterbacks based on multiple skill sets. It's not that great.
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Some guys are better at stuff. And again, I can
like you, but can we at least ignite college. Russell
Wilson is overcoming an antiquated offensive system, a bad online
and undrafted wide receivers, no tight end. I mean, Russell
Wilson is taking a lot of nonsense and getting to
the playoffs. Can we acknowledge that Patrick Mahomes has the
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best His coach drives, Bill Belichick crazy, Andy Reads a wizard.
Travis Kelsey's the best tight end with George Kittle in football.
Tyreek Kills the fastest human that's ever put on pads
and Brett Veach is one of the smartest drafting guys
in the league. This idea that everybody's got a follow
in line. What I really loved about yesterday. This is
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what I really loved about it that Patrick Mahomes went
to Twitter. He's very funny and he put a pencil
up there. I'm taking notes. I'm taking notes on this.
That's why I love Patrick Mahomes. That's why I love him.
He gets it. He's got a little chip on his shoulder.
Not that's the best thing that ever happened to Patrick
Mahomes is the best thing that ever happened to him.
He's too young to be getting five hundred million dollars
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and be in the talk of the town. This is
a great day for Patrick Mahome. He got a chip
on his shoulder. Hey, Patrick, you're the third best quarterback
in the NFL, not third best player. You're the third
best quarterback in the NFL. That's what players think. That
is honestly jet fuel for Patrick Mahomes and why he'll
win more Super Bowls and four more MVPs and make
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everybody in Kansas City happy. All Right, I got this
story NBA's back tonight. Oh, we have arrived at a
lake plentiful with fruit and vegetables. Looks like somebody's looking
for Click's True Hoop website or something. Henry Abbott, who
I know and like. But what in God's name is
going on with Henry? He says, Lebron James. The least
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told story in the NBA is Lebron's oppressive, overwhelming and
anti social competitiveness. It is Ikey. It's the most undertold
story in the NBA. Abbott noted that James struggles to
be around normally motivated, gets in patient with those who
don't work as hard, little tolerance for mistakes. In fact,
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Henry at one point says this, this is worth a chuckle.
Lebron's current teammate, Anthony Davis, maybe softening him since he
has a special affection for the big man. Wait, TIMO,
I want Lebron to be more like Anthony Davis the
hell out of here. That's the last thing I want
Lebron to be, is that soft? Yeah? I'm sorry, Henry,
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I'm sorry, True Hoop Magazine website, whatever you are. We've
spent fifteen years comparing Lebron and MJ. Mostly doing a
poor job. We finally figured out their match. They're obsessive
because ninety nine percent of the players in the NBA
are playing for a paycheck. Lebron's playing for immortality. So
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was Kobe, So's Michael So are the Great, So is
Elon Musk, So is Jeff Bezos, so is Bill Gates,
so is steep Job. They're ruthless. They're relentless because they're
not doing it for a paycheck. Ninety nine percent of
people in America are going to work for a paycheck
to be content, to get their kids through school. They
like their job, they don't live it. That's fine, But
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for the truly gifted, it's different, and we should never
ask them to come down to us. They're not demanding
we go up to them. Lebron James is not demanding
that Alex Caruso be six eight and tower and Tomahawk Duncan.
He's not asking Alex Caruso to do that or KCP.
But he will not. He's sure as heck will not
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go down to your workout standards. Thank god. Somebody with
the Lakers is obsessive. Do you think their front office
is as good as the Clippers? I don't you think
they're owners as rich as the Clippers? I don't. Do
you think they're rosters as good as the Clippers? I don't.
Thank God, he's compulsive. Thank God, somebody with the Lakers
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is somebody is focused and driven and willful. Would I
respect Michael Jordan Moore? Let me ask you this as
a parent, one of my greatest fears, other than my
kids running into traffic, one of my greatest fears is
they will not live up to their potential. I think
my kids are really good. They're curious, they've got empathy,
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they're smart. One of my biggest fears is I'm on
my deathbed and they took all that potential and didn't
do anything with it. You're a parent, doesn't that worry ever?
You just want the best for your kids, use all
your gifts that I didn't have. Would I respect Michael
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Jordan more today if he was less relentless, less willful,
and wouldn't have tapped every ounce of greatness out of
his potential. That's why we loved Kobe and why we
love hmj. That's why we love Lebron because you get
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so rarely a tiger Wood or an Oprah or an
Elon Musk who are flawed, but they have this massive
intellectual capacity or athletic capacity or emotional capacity, and they
just squeeze that damn towel. They get everything out of it,
and you become an icon. Lebron doesn't ask you to
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be as great as him, but he should never lower
his standards for me or you or Alex Caruso. This
article is nonsense. I want Lebron to me more like
Anthony Davis in what lifetime. I want everybody that has
nearly as much talent as Lebron, schoolteacher, scientist, engineer, radio host,
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be relentless, be willful, be a pain in the arts occasionally,
not every day. What you want for your kids is
what the greats all through this country give us. It's
why we'll get through COVID, because we've got nine thousand
people working on vac scenes and they're brilliant. The idea
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that I'm supposed to look at the greats in this country,
the Mark Cubans, the Obama's, and I'm supposed to go,
you know, if they can just slow down a little
for me, Nah, not remotely interested. Troy Aikman had he
had that DNA that genetic makeup, very intense leader, willing
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sometimes to be not liked. Now, Darryl Moose Johnson, who
played with him, we'll join us talk about the NFL
Top one hundred COVID. What do you do? How do
you go to camp? What happens with a player backs out?
What would you think of him as a teammate? That's
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see it tonight. Darryl Johnson, Fox Sports three Super Bowls
over a decade playing in the NFL. He is joining
us from his house in Dallas. So you know, I
thought it was that that NFL releases the top one
hundred list and some of its nonsense. Some of it.
I just rolled my eyes at Mahomes was the third quarterback,
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Lamar was first and that Russell was second, and everybody's
all crazy, And then I think it shows the depth
of quality quarterback play. It is interesting, though I've been
on this for about four years, that Russell Wilson plays
the position differently and we don't know quite how to
put our arms around him. And he finished as the
number two player in the league and ahead of Mahomes.
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When was the first time, because you've done Seahawk games, Moose,
that you did a Seahawk game with Russell Wilson and
you finally were like, oh, my lord, this is Steve Young.
This is when it was the first time you truly
appreciated him. Well, really the first time we did a game,
because we had the meeting with him and I was
so impressed with him as a young man that I
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was really excited to see how he was going to
play on the field. And he followed it up. And
you know, you always hear about the intangibles at the
quarterback position, and it was amazing when we sat down
with him. They were they were everywhere, and he just
wondered how the guys were going to gravitate to that,
and just watching his growth, his development, you know, how
he's become, you know, the centerpiece of that franchise and
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the success that they've had year in and year out,
the consistency, and it all starts with Russell. So for me,
that the biggest thing was, you know, kind of forming
your own opinion of what you thought he was going
to be after meeting with him and then going out
and doing that game and seeing everything you hoped would
happened from the quarterback position happened. He's got the will
to help his team in critical possessions, the ball in
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his hand at the end of the game when it's
on the line. There's just all the things that you
can't teach a quarterback. He has all of those and
it was great to see a transfer from the meeting
room out on the field. You know, it's interesting, Lamar
Jackson was number one, and I wouldn't make him the
number one quarterback, But athletically, Mahomes run a four eight forty.
Lamar's like a four to three five. Athletically, he's a
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you know, he's just crazy. There's just nothing else like
him in the league. What I like about Lamar is
instead of running from his critics are being defensive. He
is acknowledged in the last two years, I need to
get bigger, I need to be a better pocket quarterback.
He's really owned it. He's really come out and say
I heard my critics. I think they're right. What do
you think is the next Is this what he is now?
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Or do you think there's a next level? Four? And
you played with Troy when he was real young? Is
there a next level for Lamar? I think the step
that he took last year was amazing, and I think
the fact that he has Greg Roman with him as
his offensive coordinator, he can played with strengths. I think
he'll continue to grow probably the next two seasons, and
then you'll really start to see him refine a craft.
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You know, especially when you have somebody who knows that
they have to work on the things that maybe aren't
as as at the level that some of the other guys,
the Russell Wilson's, the Patrick Mahomes. When you have somebody
who understands that and embraces that the way Lamar does,
you know, the sky is the limit for him. And
I like the point that you brought up and it
goes back you know, early in my broadcasting career when
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when we had Michael Vick playing in the league and
people were trying to spy him, and You're like, he's
the most athletic guy in the field. There's nobody that
can gover him, so why would you put a spy
on him? And that will be the problem that that
Lamar presents the defenses moving forward as Greg Roman continues
to find different ways to use it. So I'm excited
to see, you know, what's going to happen to him
over the next two years in his career. And I
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love the fact that, you know, maybe a little bit
of disappointment on draft Day when he came out and
kind of that same that same mentality that we're seeing
right now. You know, I'm not going to sit here
and wind about it. I'm not going to complain about it.
I'm going to go in, gonna work. I'm gonna wait
for my opportunity, and then when I get my opportunity,
I'm not coming off the field. I'm gonna make it
really really hard for you to go back to the
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starting quarterback. You know, it's I've said this before. I
get why players don't like the franchise tag. I'm not
a huge fan of it, and I'm not always for
the players. There are times I think owners have rights.
They create the capital. The XFL folds because you know
the owners aren't making money you can have you do
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need capital. So I'm not always pro player. I don't
love the franchise tag. I could make an argument. And
I like Dak. I don't love him. I like him.
I like his leadership, I like his maturity and toughness.
But I could understand this morning if he's like I
made my owner four hundred million dollars. This team was
a mess and we could Networks didn't even want to
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put us on for about a year and I won
the division twice. Would you understand if if there was
a little resentment by Dak thinking, guys, I made people
a lot of money here in Dallas. This is the
biggest brand in the world for sports. What if he's
a little bitter, You'd be okay with it. Absolutely. I
was a little bitter in my care times. I can't
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sit here and joejo other people when you're competitive. Just
everything you just talked about with Lebron James and you
went not only in a sports but into business as well.
When you're wired that way, you also want to be
validated in the belief that you have in yourself. So yeah,
there were two negotiations for me when when I was
a little bit bitter, you know, I felt that I
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was underappreciated. Um, you know, my first opportunity for a
good contract. The organization told me, hey, you've done a
really nice job the last two seasons, but we want
to see it one more time. So before the franchise
tag was even in place, I got kind of the
franchise tag, you know, not to the numbers they are today,
but I got a one year deal, not a substantial
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increase in pay, but it was kind of a let's
see it one more time. If you prove it, we'll
get you the big next next year, we'll to the
big contract. Uh. You better believe you're a little bit
frustrated and a little bit better. Now what do you
do with that? You know? For me? Okay, you just
put everything into my court. Now I'm going to go
out and show you that you probably should have signed
me to the to the contract this year, and when
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you chose not to, I'm gonna I'm gonna control the
outcome next year during the course of negotiation. So it's
really just how you handle it, how do you react
to it, and how you respond to it. And I
think that Dak everything you said, I absolutely agree. You know,
you really like them. We just talked about Russell and
the intangibles that Russell has. You know, Dak has a
lot of those same qualities and those same character values. Uh.
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You know, I see him embracing this and making the Cowboys,
you know, pay for the fact that that they franchise
tag them this year. You know, it's interesting. Um leaders
should ask Jimmy Johnson one time about leadership and he goes,
I don't know what it is. He goes, Troy had it.
Whatever it is. He goes, I can't explain it. And
when I watch like Patrick Mahomes, I thought Carson Wentz
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at the end of last year, that was leadership. Everybody's hurt.
He just put the team on his shoulders. When you
leadership isn't talent, there are you know. Matt Hasselbeck I
thought had some real leadership skills. I don't think he
had the biggest arm or the greatest skill set. When
you go back and you look at Mahomes. One of
the things I like about Patrick is his ability to improvise,
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ad lib, open to coaching, which, by the way, not
everybody is. When you go back to Troy Aikman, if
you can define it, what made we all know Troy
had an arm? What made Troy great? Because Patrick has
a chance to be Troy reel off multiple super bowl
Here in hindsight, what was it with Troy that you
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first noticed that was just different than other guys you'd
play with or scene. There's a unique quality that not
only players have, but I think a lot of the
great coaches have. I think it's one of the common threads.
And they have the ability to make you want to
be the best you possibly can be, so they will
respect you as a player. And that's what That's what
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Troy has um you know, that's what Troy did for
all of us. You know, I wanted I wanted to
earn his respect when he talked about me to other people.
I wanted him to talk you know, with you know
a lot of complimentary uh you know things, you know
he works hard, you know, just all the things that
I valued. I wanted him to see that in me.
I wanted him to respect me as a player, and
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I had a coach in college who was the same way.
It's very it's very rare when you get that, and
it's probably one of the components that Lebron had and
all the other people that you mentioned in that that
previous segment. You want to earn their respect, you want
them to value as a teammate. And that was one
of the great things that Troy had. And then when
you get a group of guys who all want to
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do that together, that that's when you see a team
really become something special. And the one thing that I think,
and I don't know Patrick Mahomes, well, I haven't been
around him. I don't know if he has that quality.
The thing that I love about Patrick Mahomes is his
po for the game and that is infectious as well.
So there's a number of different ways to be that leader,
and it was one of the things that our great
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teams had. We had a number of different guys who
led in different ways. You know, Eric Williams, you know,
was our physical presence. You know, Michael Irvin was the
heart and soul of the team, the emotional leader. Troy
was where the buck stops. You know, he was the
you know, the the alpha leader in that group of
probably six or seven guys with great leadership qualities. That's
when it gets fun. And I think with a guy
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like Patrick mahomes the passion he plays the game with, um,
you know, just having all those guys around, he always
seems like he's having fun. It's going to be it's
gonna be a lot of fun to see his career
progress as well. By the way, is a dad, you
would understand if a player said I'm opting out, you know,
a newborn as a teammate though when you were you know,
you're on those Dallas teams and you know this is
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legacy stuff here. You guys are great. Would there be
a part I mean, I could see myself saying if
a teammate opted out, man, you're you're killing us here.
But then part of me would be like, Okay, he's
a dad. There's kids. How do you reconcile all that?
Because when you play football so hard, practice with football's hard,
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football practice is hard. How do you reconcile it? If
a teammate just says I'm out for the year, it's
this decision. These are such unusual times. I think one
of the things that our country is struggling with right
now is just to let all of us have the information,
have the data, understand the science, and then let us
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make our own decisions how do we want to live
our life during these unprecedented times. And I think that
that's what the NFL has done, kind of in a microcosm.
And I would have, you know, no issues whatsoever if
Nate Soldier was my teammate and he was a cancer survivor,
and he had a son who is a cancer survivor,
and he has a new boy, baby boy at the house,
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for him to walk away from the NFL season this year,
absolutely completely understand that. And for whatever the reasons are
for each of these individuals, as they just I to
opt out for the NFL season, they shouldn't be judged.
It's their decision. They've got all the science, they've got
all the information in front of them, and let them
make that decision. You know, you would will hope that
you would get together as a team and everybody would
discuss it before you went in. And then as these
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decisions are made, everybody understands and everybody can talk about it.
But but I like the way the NFL is doing it.
They've given them the protocols which are outstanding. I think
they've got a really good shot at at doing this.
I think they're learning a lot from baseball right now.
Is baseball is the other professional sport that's not trying
to create that bubble. There's going to be some challenges
for the NFL. They've done a lot of good things
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and put a lot of good things in place. Some
guys aren't going to be comfortable that and they're going
to opt out. There's going to be there's going to
be challenges. There's going to be situations during the course
of the season that nobody could have anticipated and prepared for,
and it's just how do we react at that time.
It's great seeing you again. We talked by the way.
We talked lacrosse for ten minutes before. Well, it's great
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seeing you. Moose. Always appreciate it of your work, and
a couple times a year you stopped by first and
I really appreciate you doing it. You're a busy guy.
Thank you so much. My pleasure. Always good visity with you.
Stay say stay healthy, Okay, good stuff. Yeah. Nate Solder
of the New York Giants left tackle. He has some
there's some medical stuff in his family, and he was uncomfortable.
And to Moose's point, I get it, you know, like
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what we figured out very early with COVID, it's not
about you. I'm not wearing I'm wearing a mask for
your grandma. Right. Well, that's part of the reason why
it's been so difficult too for people under control, because
people only care about themselves, right, Like, we're wearing masks
for your sick mother, who I could give to you
and then you could inadvertently give to her. That's that's
(01:48:39):
the whole thing. Like, if you're not wearing a mask,
you're really saying you don't care about anyone else, right,
like just advertising that. But to his point, even more
than that, even if you don't have a medical issue
in your family, and even if you aren't necessarily in
a vulnerable space, this is everyone's individual choice whether they
want to put themselves in that situation or not. Like
this is it's not a normal yeah. Yeah. And by
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the way, many of the players in all sports that
are moving out there are people with newborns. Their wife's pregnant,
six months pregnant. Sure, but even if you're just a
single person by yourself, like you don't maybe you don't
want to put yourself in that physical space, so you
don't know how it affects anyone person to person. So
whatever choice you make is no one should be judged
(01:49:21):
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the news. This is the herd line news. So if
Bron usually logs off from social media during the NBA
Playoffs to focus on his game, but this year, he
says he will not continue that tradition. I won't be
turning my phones off vers run I can't forward to
I have to continue to checking with my family, um,
you know, every single day, UM checking with my mom,
(01:50:05):
making sure you know everything is still going well, especially
in the uncertainty of what twenty twenty has bought to
all of us. So I can't afford to do that
and just lose direct contact with everybody. So um, but
I'll be um, you know, as locked in as I
can't be under circumstances. Um, I won't. I won't cheat
my teammates, I won't cheat our fans, and I won't
cheat myself. So um, I'll be ready to go. By
the way, he was sitting in a very throne like
(01:50:29):
it was a very share a lot of bum Yeah
it was. I fully understand this. I didn't. I don't
think this is a necessarily requirements, you know, to make
it through the playoffs. I do think it's cool that
Lebron does this, and you know, limits distractions, but circumstances.
But these are not normal circumstances. So you absolutely need
(01:50:51):
to be in touch with the outside world when you
are in a bubble, and you know, checking in with
your family and everything else. And also, you know, Lebron
has a has a lot going on on, so completely
unplugged during a time like this really wouldn't make a
lot of sense. I'd tell my kids just have your
phone on, don't turn your phone off, Like, have it on.
Something could happen. But it also can be a very distracting,
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consuming thing to be on your phone all day, especially now.
But what if I'm choking on an acorn? My kids
need to know I need help. I gotta keep your phone.
Why would you choken an acorn? I just threw it
out there. I'm saying that you keep your phones on America.
Stuff can happen. So Matt Ryan is entering his thirteenth
NFL season, but he hasn't had many chances at winning
a Super Bowl. When he was asked if he would
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rather win a Super Bowl ring or get into the
Hall of Fame, he clearly has his sights still on
the Lombardi Trophy. You know right now, it's super Bowl rings.
What's motivating me to get out of bed? Right It's
about winning that and so hopefully one will go with
the other. But if I had to take one, I
take the super Bowl ring. That's not an easy but
it's not an easy question. Don't judge an athlete. Don't
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judge an athlete for that. Hall of Fame is the
greatest honor to be Hall of Fame. Three hundred and
fifty guys have gotten that. What would you rather have?
I would if it? Would you rather have one have
a great career, which Matt Ryan has had not. Hall
of Fame career, but great career. He's gonna get both
and a super Bowl ring, Okay, I'll do this. Or
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if you're telling me, I could have a Hall of
Fame Russell Wilson career no super Bowl though no super Bowl,
or have a really rocky career and get the hell
beat out of me and play on a bunch of teams,
but one year I get a super Bowl. I take
the Hall of Fame career. But if you're asking me,
I have a great career with a super Bowl and
a great career hall of Fame, then the super Bowl's
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hard to pull away because it's I like, it's about
winning to me. But if you're giving me hall of
Fame means for fifteen years, I generational wealth or listen,
not everybody's a quarterback, you're a left guard, you're cut
nine times. I think I go with Hall of Fame
I and I Generally, I'm someone who believes you played
to win championship in the same way. But if I
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have to choose between one championship, like you said, what
are the circumstances, It's like some random care you happen
to land with the team that's hot that year and
you win a champion would you rather be Charles Barkley
or JJ Barea. Why I'm just telling it out there.
What would you rather be? Like that? That's my point. Like,
are you a legend of the game, Dan Marino? You are?
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You are? You are part of the game's history. If
you are in the Hall of Fame, I'm the same way.
That means you can't you truly can't tell the story
of the NFL without you. If you're in the Hall
of Fame or you win a championship, it's tough. I
don't know. I mean because I because winning a championship
is what you play for. But if we had a
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super Bowl in radio or the Hall of Fame and
radio yea one great day or a career by the way,
it's outrageous. I'm not there yet. You got guys from
WKRP in Cincinnati did updates in the Radio Hall of Time.
I'm pretty sure you will may get into the radio
Hall of Fame. I'd be surprised you ever seen who's
in the radio Hall of Fame jokes aside sales guys,
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weasily executive. I feel confident that you will be in
the Hall of Bagging ditches over here with hockey scores
for seven months until tonight. You know what, Honestly, this
stretch of down put you in the Hall of Fame,
and you're coming with me. Oh, thank you, thank you.
I can't tell the story of the herd during COVID
with Aldoy Taylor. Finally, MLB laid down punishments after a
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tempers flare between the Dodgers and the Astros Tuesday nights.
Dodgers pitcher Joe Kelly received an eight game suspension for
his actions. He's appealing. It's it's absurd. He's appealing his
decision and continue to play until the process is completes
and Dodgers manager Dave Roberts got a one game suspension
that he served last night's Astro's manager Dusty Baker receives
a fine. It's funny to take any wins from the Astros. Yeah,
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I mean, the bottom line is for me, I didn't
love throwing at his head. I don't mind throwing at him.
We knew that was gonna happen. I don't love throwing
his head. It doesn't move me either way. I'm not outraged, however,
I just don't want to hear from the Astros. It's
I don't, I don't. I don't care. I don't care
what your opinion is other people around baseball. Sure I'll
hear it and then make my own decision, But when
it comes to the astrow's opinion, I'm just uninterested. Look
at him. I watched this whole game last night. I
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watched three and a half hours of this thing. I'm
here for all that except for the talking. While backing up,
we be goin to do the talking. Walk forward. Yeah,
when I when I, when I trash talk, I walk
right to the guys. I mean, otherwise, what are you doing?
What's the purpose of it? Yeah, it's like hold me back, guy,
when I talk trash, hold me back. I stay seated
with a microphone in front of me. Actually, what we do?
All right? Joy with the news. Well that's the news,
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and thanks for stopping back. The Herd Live NBA season
restarting tonight. Nick Rid's going to come to my house. Yeah,
We're gonna drink tequila. Do Instagram live a Sword of
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Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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and Best for Last. We do what we do about
five six times a year. We call the three word game.
Everybody can be described, every team in any sport in
three words. Here we go Lakers, Lebron's last chance, seventeenth season.
It's not a good draft. There's nobody in free agency
of note. Lebron's getting older. I don't think he trust Kuzma.
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Danny Green will just be older another year for Anthony
Davis on that worn body. Lebron's last chance. Clippers Kawai
becomes legend. No player is ever one of Finals MVP
with three different teams. In fact, no player has ever
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won the Finals MVP in two conferences. He wins it now.
I think you have to put him in the top
ten players of all time. Nuggets not enough experience. All
their players are kids. Yokich twenty five, Jamal Murray's twenty three,
Gary Harris is twenty five. There's a lot to like
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about Denver, but we've always known the NBA Playoffs is
about baby steps first. Jimmake it. It's like Milwaukee. You
make it, then you win a series, then you win
a couple series. They're still Denver's good, but they're a
year away. Jazz not enough notes once Bugdanovitch got hurt
wrist injury. They don't have enough scores. Donovan Mitchell's the
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only starter over fifteen a game. They're like Boston without
a Jason Tatum. There's a lot to like, a lot
to like. Thunder shock of season. Do you realize since
mid January they had the best record in the NBA.
I'm not joking, seventeen and five. Now outside of Chris Paul,
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it's a bunch of dudes averaging like twelve points a game.
And I think the playoffs is situational basketball, so you've
got to have more dudes. They are the best story
of the season. That is about coaching, Billy Donovan, Chris
Paul's leadership. They've been a great story. Chris. Chris Paul,
by the way, led the league in clutch points this year.
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That's kind of surprising, right. How about the Rockets small
ball world? They trade Clint Capella and Robert Covington in February.
They don't have a starter over six seven. They chuck
up a lot of three pointers. I think they have
a chance to surprise people because they're so unique. You
can't prepare for them. If you go big, you can
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limit Westbrook maybe at the rim, but you won't keep
up with them. You can't get too big against Houston.
They're gonna run up and down off the floor. So
I don't know how much success they'll have, but they
will be in spurts. They will be incredibly difficult to defend. Mavericks,
cool hand Luca. Highest scoring offense by any team in
forty five NBA seasons. Isn't that remarkable? Highest scoring NBA
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offensive rating one point sixteen point seven? Poor zingis Luca.
Mark Cuban has got a love this his stars, twenty
years old, hard working, nose to the grindstone. How about
the Grizzlies want some more rant? Jaymerant tremendous fun, young talent.
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This is a team that has struggled against better teams.
They're a rebuilt so it's okay, eight and twenty against
winning teams. But all rookies in the NBA. John Morant
led all of them with eleven double doubles. He is
a spectacic, very much Westbrook, with a better shooting touch,
A little better shooter than Westbrook. Same hyper athleticism. Trailblazers.
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Don't doubt Dame. They also get Nurkitch back and Zach
Collins back. Portland's very interesting. They could work them their
way into the playoffs. They get their size back. We
know Dame now that Steph Curry is out, he's the
best shooter in the playoffs. He's the best shooter in
the bubble. Now is Damian Lillard? Watch out Pelicans the
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Zion King. Listen. They were plus ten points a game
when he was in minus three and a half when
he was off the floor. Brandon Ingram's a more complete player.
This kid is the straw that stirs the drink. First
rookie to average twenty three points and six rebounds since
Shack in ninety three as a rookie Bucks. Everybody hates Chris.
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That's funny, Chris rock Show. Chris Middleton said he didn't
touch a ball for like three months, four months. Come on, bro,
you can't make that public because if you struggle, we're
all gonna hammer on you. They're also nine and one
without Middleton this season, and he's got a Max contract,
so a lot of eyes on Chris Middleton. He needs
to play well. Janie Will Chris Middleton needs to play well.
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Raptors back to extinction. You know what. They crushed bad
teams this year, thirty five and four against the NBA's
junk sub five hundred against winning teams. They're gonna miss Kauai.
Get a bucket, get a stop in the bubble. Celtics
dark horse champs, number two defense, three guys averaging twenty
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plus a game. Jason Tatum was a top six player
in the league. At the end of it. Most people
think situationally, Brad Stevens is the best or second best
coach in the league. Watch out, They're my dark horse champs.
Miami still too young, like Denver, feels like a year away.
Four their top six players are kids now. Jimmy Butler's
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been terrific. I get the coach and a star player,
very dangerous, and like Houston, they shoot a lot of threes.
They can be streaky, but they shoot a ton of threes.
And the seventy six ers filliate special. They're horrible on
the road. Chemistry issues their night teen and nineteen in
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their last thirty eight games. They started the season really well.
Maybe the time off did them well. I just don't
think their next level special. I don't think Embat and
Simmons work together. All right, I'm gonna do Instagram Live Tonight.
No idea how to do it. I'm so nervous about this.
Tequila and Instagram love, but you're not going to drink tequila.
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Total clarity. Nick will be out there off the rails.
Any drinks new maybe one. I need clarity and I
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