The Herd - Hour 1 - Aaron Rodgers isn't a grownup

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live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Wherever you may
be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making
us part of your day. J Mac joining me as
though as he loves the next three or four days
because it's March Madness. He's at college basketball die hard.
So I'm gonna do what I know Jason's gonna do.
Go home after this show, crack open a beer and

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sit and watch college hoops for about the eight hours.
That would be the plan, But I got a bunch
of buddies who are like, we gotta watch this at
a bar. I'm like, can you find a bar where
I can bring my dog? That meat? Meat has been met,
So a lot of consuming NCAA tournament and Aaron Rodgers
questions over the next forty year old so let's start
with that. I don't necessarily agree with all his political stances.

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But there's a Canadian psychologist named Jordan Peterson, and he
has a belief and I tend to believe this too,
is that you can't totally be an adult, a grown
up until you love somebody more than yourself. And this
psychologist believes and I do too, that to really be

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a grown up. It's not the only way to be
an adult, but it's certainly impactful in your development as
a human being. You're married, you have kids, anybody who's
had kids. The minute you have a kid, you find
out that your love for that child is so much
greater than the narcissism and love for yourself. So, again,
Jordan Peterson, I may not agree with him on some

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climate opinions, but I will say that I agree there
that you have to love somebody greater than yourself. That
is one of the first signs Young people tend to
be selfish and self absorbed, and many adults are. But
that gets you to the next level. So let me
pivot into Aaron Rodgers appearance yesterday on YouTube. His words,

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he went into the retreat, his words, not mine, ninety
percent sure he was going to retire. He said, I
got to admit I went into the darkness ninety percent retiring,
ten percent playing okay, his words. He was also surprised,
his words that when he came out Green Bay had decided,

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you know, we we're gonna go with Jordan Loves let's
make a trade happen for you. And he was surprised
by that, his words. How could you be surprised by that?
If you're the most important person in your world. If
you were married, let's say, I think maybe your wife

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would say, honey, the season ended eight weeks ago. They've
made you rich, They've made us rich, They've given us
a great life. You probably should give him a heads up.
If you had kids, maybe your son says, Dad, I
love the packers. You're not going to leave the packers.
Maybe you'd feel some guilt give him an answer either way.
But if you're the most important person in your life,
you just run on your clock, and you are mister

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independent and I'll do what I want on my time.
And Aaron thinks he's the smartest adult, and I'm questioning
this morning if he's an adult. If you're the most
important person in your life, and you don't sacrifice, then
you are surprised when you come out of a retreat

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that you went into at ninety percent retiring and your surprise,
green Bay said, we want to move on. Now I
am I am now not his words, but I am
guessing that he had to give green Bay a heads
up that he was strongly considering retirement. I mean, he's
a jerk if he didn't. If I was going to
leave Fox for retirement and didn't give him heads up,
I'm a jerk. So I'm gonna say Aaron's not a jerk.

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If you're gonna leave your wife suddenly in the middle
of the night, you're a schmuck. So I would assume
she has a heads up if you're gonna leave. I'm
going to assume Aaron's not a jerk, and that green
Bay had some sense of his impending decision would lean
heavily into retirement. I'll assume he's a decent human being,
but he's surprised. Let me ask you if if I

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told one of my bosses radio TV or my wife, listen,
I'm ninety percent into leaving you. I'm going to go
in a retreat for four or five days by myself.
When I come back, I'll be closer to a decision.
You think I'd be surprised if my wife Ann said, hey, pal,
hit the road, or if my bosses upstairs said, you know,
we found another guy we really like him, or another

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woman they're going to host the show. The only surprise
is Aaron is surprised. That's how self centered and deluded
he apparently, is that he can't believe that people he's
been stringing along, who he was threatening retirement to, would
move on as mister will do things on my clock,
totally dictated terms last several years. Here's another one, and again,

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when you're the most important person in your life, you
demand things from others because nobody calls you on your
bs His quote here yesterday, his words again, my only
demand is for transparency, yet he never provides any. Two
separate Green Bay packers on offense have told me since

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the Super Bowl they have no idea what he's doing.
What about transparency? Again, when you're the most important person
in your life and maybe haven't become a true adult yet,
you demand things from others that you don't provide for them.
His teammates are guessing the Packers are guessing. The fans

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are guessing. But he wants transparency. That's the one thing.
Not my words. His He was nine percent retiring, not
my words. He was surprised when they booted him when
he came out. Not my words, his mere eron. They're
in the bathroom staring at it's very perceptive with those

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lasers and that wit and that acumen, pointing fingers. Listen
to yourself. Ninety percent retirement going in and surprised when
Green Bay said, hit the road, champ, we're exhausted. Would
any of you be surprised if your bosses, your wife,

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people tired of you stringing along year after year. That's surprising.
I don't have to agree with Jordan Peterson on anything
other than once you become something beyond yourself, then you're
officially an adult. Anthony Davis isn't adult for the Lakers,

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but he's an adult that, even when he's paying free,
doesn't play basketball. So Richard Jefferson called out the Lakers yesterday.
The Lakers lost to the worst team arguably in the league,
the Houston Rockets. Houston Rockets are young, they're awful, they're
actively tanking, and yet despite being one of the worst
teams in the league. They scored seventy eight points in

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the paint and they had sixty two points at half
against the Lakers. They dominated the inside. Why because Anthony
Davis couldn't play load management even though he was pain free,
and Richard Jefferson called out the Lakers in a D
When a coach says that a player is pain free,

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but we're still going to keep him out again if
your media managing, if you're telling me that he's not
having pain, if he has some soreness on the off day,
if there's you know, and again there's still probably some reaction.
If you're talking about the stress reaction. It's a stress reaction.
So they're like, we're not going to overload it. I
get it, but it's like, if you have pain, if
you are paying free, then I just get confused. And

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I'm not a doctor, so I'm not being critical here.
I just hear it, and I'm like, I just don't
understand what's the old saying. People will show you who
they are. Just believe them. So it's okay to be
as a Laker fan frustrated with a D. It's not
necessarily his decision. It is a upstairs executive management decision.

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So what the Lakers are telling you is going forward,
this is how we deal with a D. And if
the Lakers are going to run this back, they deserve
to be a non playoff team. Lebron year twenty one
and load management AD. That's what the Lakers are telling us,
They're telling the fans, they're telling the media. This is

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how heads up, this is how AD is going to
be used going forward. So I looked this morning. The
last five years, this is the new reality for a D.
He plays forty eight games a year, and they've now
pivoted to he will sit out games when he's pain free. Okay,
So Lebron now going into year twenty one next year,

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where he's given us fifty games a year, a D
now given us forty seven games a year and a
D and the Lakers have now pivoted two, he's also
going to sit out pain free nights. If you run
this back, you deserve not making the playoffs. By the way,
I'm not blaming a D. It's his body, although he
should take better care of it. He came in out

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of shape three years ago. So some of this is
on a D. He you know, They joke about his
dad body all the time within the organization. He's not
a grinder. He's not a guy that lives in the
weight room. Your body treats you how you treat your body.
It's why you can see fifty year old people that
are falling apart physically and sixty year old people, seventy
year old people who are in great shape. Your body

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will treat you like you treat your body. And Ad
didn't treat his body that great. So some of this
is on him. But he's not thirty seven, thirty eight
years old. He's thirty. He just turned thirty. So the Lakers,
for a player that just turned thirty, have now pivoted two.
There's nights we're not going to play him when he's

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pain free. Okay, people tell you who they are. Believe him.
You can be mad as a Laker fan. What you
should be mad about is if they run this nonsense back.
Don't be mad about this. This is to help the player.
You know. They sat him against a bad Okac team.
Didn't hurt him. They sat him against an awful Rockets team.
It did hurt him seventy eight points in the paint.

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You ain't getting now with a d if ads on
the floor, You're not going seventy eight points in the paint.
So again, you can be mad about last night, but
be really mad if they run it back and tell
you it's got a chance to be a championship team.
No it doesn't. No, it does not. All right, by

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the way March madness starts, the good games are later
later today. I've got Duke winning nine straight wins, only
lost once all year. Week week bracket week side, i
got Duke winning beating gun Zaga. Who you got? Wow, Cowhard,
That's exactly what I have in one of my brackets.
Now I'm in I'm in nine different bracket climb. You
are six different champions in those nine. It's gonna be

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a crazy tournament. Duke could be in trouble against Oral Roberts,
who whoa I'm not even kidding, Okay. Oral Roberts is
a veteran team. They got one of the best scores
in the nation, who beat Ohio State in the first
round two years ago. Um, just be careful with Duke, folks.
I like them as well. I have them going places.
But calhard, you're gonna have a sweat in the first

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I guarantee. You can't wait. They've taken money orl Roberts
has taken money. I think was eight down to seven,
could go to six and a half. I'm excited. Just
be careful with that. Um, there's no being kit Tonight
is crack opening beer. Put my legs up, watch hoops.
Let me just say this, if Arizona makes a run,
you're gonna see a smile on my face for several days.
Several days you have them winning multiple bracket. Let's just

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say I'm heavily committed. I did a Calcutta last night.
In our group. We spent you know, five figures on Arizona. O.
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the New England Patriots were viewed as the smartest team
in the NFL on the field, off the field, during
the season. Off season, they were just smarter than everybody else.
We never viewed them as the most talented team. Those
Randy Moss teams actually never won a Super Bowl. Those
were arguably their most talented teams, I thought. But they
were always smart, the way they worked the cap, the

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way they didn't have the draft guys in the first
or second round, but always had great offensive lines. Maybe
now the Kansas City Chiefs have become that. So I've
been banging on the Patriots for three years that their
tone deaf offensively, they have no sensibility, they don't get it.
That was obviously year last year when they made a
defensive coordinator. The offensive coordinator, Bill Belichick is all defense

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all the time, has no feel at all for offense.
So Juju Smith Schuster. The Pittsburgh Steelers a stable organization
that has always been willing Mike Tomlin to deal with
some drama, a b big band for years, Lavan Bell.
They bailed on Juju, the TikTok King. They bailed on
him too silly, too immature. The Chiefs smartly said, well,

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you're talented, we'll bring in for a one year deal.
We won't pay it, but we'll give you a incentive
laden contract. Like seven and a half million was just incentives.
Two and a half million was actual salary. Didn't pay
him anything. What did he do? He was productive, he
played with urgency, he was very good. So did the
Chiefs resign him? Hell no, let him walk. The Patriot

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stepped in to give him a three year deal. Silly brand, loyal,
TikTok obsessed Juju Smith Schuster. This is the kind of
deal the Patriot fans would have laughed at years ago.
Other teams being the sucker It was New England that

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would use a distracted player with talent for a year,
get the most out of him. Always move off guys
right before they were a pain in the butt. The
Chiefs used Juju, pay him nothing, all bonuses. He hits
on a lot of them. Then say, see a great
We're gonna go draft guys that are really into football.
And the suckers come roaring down the street. New England

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totally out of touch offensively and give distracted Juju Smith Schuster.
He can't separate. He's a number three receiver, that's what
he is. By the way, simultaneously letting go of their
own player, undrafted Jacoby Myers. So last year, look at
the numbers, Juju Smith Schuster. That's with Andy Reid, a

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real offensive coordinator, and Patrick Mahal Homes put up numbers
that were identical to Jacoby Myers, and they bailed on
Jacoby Myers, who did nothing but work hard, totally focused,
not into TikTok, not into his brand, just into being
a great NFL player. They bailed on that and signed

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the constantly, perpetually, habitually distracted Juju Smith Schuster Patriots. You
laughed at teams that did that years ago. You laughed
at him. You rolled your eyes. Suckers is what they were.
When you look around the poker table and you can't
find the mark, You're the mark. New England's now the

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mark at the poker table Kansas City. As the culture
has changed totally in tune. They can bring rookies in,
guys off the street. This year they won a Super
Bowl with three receivers who were cast offs from other
teams and a rookie sky More. I mean New England has.

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They are completely utterly out of touch on offense, even
with their own personnel. J Mack with the news. No,
no turn on the news. This is the herd line news.
It's kind of nice that someone is someone besides the
Jets is on the end of the jokes in the
AFC East. I like taking some shots there at the Patriots,
calling Bill Belichick a mark who you tell me? You

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tell me no, you're right? Yeah. On Jacobe Myers comes
in not making a nickel all three years in a row,
leading receiver, not paying him a nickel, hard work. He
is the Patriot way. They bail on that because the kids, like,
you know, I want to get paid and you're gonna
bring in almost the same contracts are very similar, very weird.

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And by the way, Juju, that was with Mahomes Travis
Kelsey next to him, an oc those are the numbers
he produced. Doesn't make sense. All right, Let's start with
this gentleman named Aaron Rodgers. Obviously, you know he is
announced he wants to kind of play for the Jets.
Is tension is. But apparently the Raiders were in the
mix for Aaron Rodgers. He said this on the YouTube

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show yesterday. I think there were other teams that were
interested in. Obviously, there's certain players. I have a lot
of love and affinity for Davante Adams, and reuniting with
especially one specific person would have been special. I'm not
mentioning any names, but there's definitely one particular guy. Him
and I have this special unspoken rapport. If there's anybody

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that I wanted to put on a demand list, if
you can incorporate any person across the league, it would
be this specific person. He's obviously talking about Davante Adams
and the Raiders, but Josh McDaniels and company went with Jimmy.
Aaron has said the list was nonsense, So again taking
him at his word, I did homework on the list.

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Aaron did not put Mercedes Lewis on the list. Hackett
did so Hackett loves Mercedes Lewis. The homework I did
is that anytime Mercedes Lewis's name ended up on a list,
that was going to be more Hacket going to the
Jets say and get me that O b J. I've
also been told that Aaron didn't make any demands on

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ob J. He likes him, would love to have him. Hey,
if you can find a space for him. But now
Alan Lazard, that was Aaron wanted to bring one of
his guys over, and Lazard, by the way, in fairness
to Aaron, Aaron wants to be comfortable with somebody. I mean,
Brady brought over Gronk. Yeah, so I don't have a

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problem Bronk was retired, he was able to lure him out. Yeah,
I don't. I don't have a problem with Peyton Manning
Aaron Rodgers, Brady Russell Wilson saying, Hey, there's this one receiver. Man,
he's my guy. So I'm not going to beat up
on Aaron for Alan Lazard. I think he's a very
nice number three receiver. He's a big body. Allan's a
nice player. I'd love to have him on my team.
So I'm not going to beat up on Aaron. I'm
gonna be fair on this. Mercedes Lewis was not an

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Aron demand, ob j. From what I'm told, Aaron likes him,
but it wasn't a demand. I do think Alan Lazard
was something Aaron wanted and the Jet said, hey, man,
this is one we're gonna go get for you. Because
I do think Alan Lazard's a nice acquisition by the Jets.
So I think he's a good player. Yeah, So let
me ask about the Raiders. They decided to go with
a cheaper quarterback, Jimmy Garoppolo, who's gonna be there for

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several years instead of a one year maybe two year
band aid and Aaron Rodgers. What say you about that
Raiders decision? Think before you speak, because you know who
I'm talking about When I say Raiders, the Jets are
opting for Aaron Rodgers over car over Garoppolo. Continue. So
what are you saying? Well, the Raiders decided we could
have Aaron Rodgers for a year, or we could get

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Jimmy Garoppolo for multiple years. Somebody's going to be in
our system. We know we could count on him if
things go sideways one year, Hey we got the next year,
we're locked in. They didn't want By all accounts, he
wanted to play with Davanta Adams and the Raiders. It
sounds like we're like, well, I would have chosen Aaron
Rodgers over Jimmy Garoppolo. Again, I think I'm I think
I am absolutely the fairest person in the American media

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on Aaron Rodgers. I'd vote him first ballot Hall of Fame.
It doesn't bother me that he pushes back on media.
I don't think the list after doing homework is entirely
of Aaron Rodgers making. But I think he's deluded if
he's surprised his words that green Bay said we're done
with you. Out of the eight and a half weeks,
nine weeks of not giving them a heads up, stringing

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them along. Then I think he's deluded and deserves massive
criticism because those are his words. I'm ninety percent retirement
and I'm surprised they said we're done with you. Dude,
You're deluded. I wonder if Josh McDaniel said to his
front office, Hey, guys, I don't want a year of crazy,
a year of distractions. We live in Vegas already enough
crazy around us. Let's go for safe, smart, reliable players

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love him. Let's go for Jimmy garoppolom. Well, we were
surprised when Brady left New England how small the market was,
So why are we surprised that Aaron Rodgers leaves how
small the market is? Hey, Brady was a little bit older,
wasn't he like? But you got none of this distraction stuff,
totally committed, right, So what it showing you is when,
by the way, why are we surprised there's no market
for Lamar Jackson? There's no I mean, seriously, everybody says,

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what about the market for Lamar Jackson. There wasn't a
mark market for Brady. There wasn't a big market for
Aaron Rodgers. There wasn't a big market for Lamar Jackson
because in all three cases there was something to be
concerned about Brady's age, Rogers commitment, and Lamar's injury. Well,
have you talked to your Colts people lately? I talked
to every I talked to. I talked to two gms

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yesterday at length, and a head coach and a scouting girl.
There are rumblings that what the cults are making some
quiet salary cap moves in. There's some wonder, Hey, we're
not gonna get the guy we won the top of
the draft. Maybe the Colts make a play here. I
would just keep an eye on it, a low simmer
on the back of the oven. Just keep an eye
on maybe the Colts in them because they got no quarterback.
They got nothing. They just dumped Matt Ryan they have.

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They're picking fourth, I believe, pretty good place to pick.
But we said yesterday the top two quarterbacks are gonna
be going. Maybe they get Stroud. By the way, if
you're picking four, you're gonna get either, in my opinion,
because I think you're onto something. You're gonna get CJ.
Stroud or Bryce Young? What about Will Levis when Houston?

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I think Will Levis h is talented, But I would
take CJ. Stroud or Bryce Young over Will Levis. I
would would you draft CJ. Stroud or would you rather
go for Lamar Jackson? Well, I would rather have Lamar Jackson. Remember,
now this is something to think about. I'm glad you
brought this up. Well, I think actually I brought it up.

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So with Brady, Aaron and Lamar, there appears to be
kind of a smaller market that we would all think.
They all had an issue age, commitment and injuries. But
it also speaks to something as football has become, this
is sort of a this is sort of a reality
of the league. As the NFL had to pay almost

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a billion dollars for CTE in concussions, the NFL has
created a lot of safety measures. The game is now
less violent, more offense, meaning the quarterbacks are more valuable.
Meaning the quarterbacks are now making what teams used to
pay the entire roster. Meaning Brady was expensive, Roger's expensive,
Lamar's expensive. As we've driven the price up for quarterbacks,

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if you don't have them, the homes and there's like
one on the planet. Teams now, I think are thinking
the Jason McIntyre theory, which is, hell with it. Let's
just load our roster up and draft a quarterback every
year until we find a Brock Purty. Because it's very
clear the only way to win super Bowls in the
NFL right now, last ten years you have a superstar

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quarterback Brady Mahomes, or you have a loaded roster for
a Jared Goff, a Jalen Hurts, a Rock Purty that
ensures lots and lots of wins and a high probability
of getting to a conference championship. What you can't have
is an expensive, eleventh best quarterback in the league. And
right now people are wondering, is Aaron a top seven guy? No?

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Is Lamar injuries? No, because you got to consider injuries
if you're not available. He went down this season before
he was definitely top seven. He went down this he did.
Let's live in the real world. Let's live in the
real world. Aaron hasn't been fully committed. He's now thirty nine.
So there's only two ways to consistently win a Super
Bowl or get there. Superstar Mahomes Brady or don't pay

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your quarterback anything. He has to be pretty good and
then you just stack the roster. So I think when
you get these Lamar with injuries and Aaron with commitment,
a lot of people are like the market shrivels up
very quickly. Yeah, all right, let's go to the Eagles. Briefly,
they got good news. Finally they're hemorrhaging talent. But their
number one quarterback, Darius big Place Slay, they were gonna

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release him. He basically you know it was all gonna happen.
Suddenly they found the cap money to save him. So
Darius Slays very excited to be back, like I never left. Hahaha.
He wrote on social media. Run it back. That's good
news for the Eagles. So they're keeping Bradberry and they're
keeping Slay. That's very good. Great corners. It was looking
like they were gonna lose seven, six or seven defensive
starting to understand it. I never I thought Darius Slay

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is one of the three best defensive players. I didn't
get it. And a sneaky other good move they had
was they lose Miles Sanders the running back, replace him
with Rashad Penny. Now he's had some injury issues. But
holy hell, when he's healthy, Oh, he's fast and explosive.
If you're a Seahawk fan, though, Rashad Penny drives you crazy. Ye.
So he was a reach in the first round because
I think Nick Chubb same draft went second round. If

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I recall it could be wrong, but he was a
reach in round one. And but but he was never available,
and so if you're a Seahawk fan, you hate to
see him go because when he was healthy, he is
so good after contact and he's got real like burst
home run speed. Yeah, he's just on it. So he's
a real enigma. When he's healthy, he's fantastic. But now
the Seahawks have the kid from Michigan State at running back,

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so they don't need Yeah, they got their home run guy.
What they need now is you know DJ Dallas their
backup guy. Yeah yeah, yeah, all right, final story, We'll
just get to this briefly. But the am NBA announced
yesterday John Morant got an eight game suspension for conduct
detrimental to the league after that incident with Instagram Live
where he had a gun randomly in Denver. He's already

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missed six two of the games and he's eligible to
return Monday against him as I'm sorry he's missed six
so he really can return next week. Yeah, Colin, I
pointed this out on social media when he was in
a counseling facility. He might lose out on thirty seven
million dollars if he's not an All NBA player. He

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hasn't played enough games to be voted All NBA. He's
having an All NBA season. Interesting that, um he got
sucked in to the life. Well, I just I find
it very interesting that he was in a counseling facility Monday.
NBA suspends him Wednesday, and now we're hearing he's gonna
be back on Monday. That's a quick turnaround. He's doing
like a pr blitz apologizing I'm not that guy. Blah

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blah blah. John Moran's gonna be back sooner than we
all thought. It sounded like he was gonna be done
for the regular season, and now suddenly he's coming back.
A lot of money on the table for John Ran
any rate. What are you stipulating? What are you I
don't want to sin, I don't want to go too
much into it. It feels like the league said we
don't feel we can take thirty seven million from a

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young kid. Let's get him back to play well. And
I think I think the Grizzlies to kind of need him.
They're starting a free fall. And um let's just hear
what John Maranz said to Jayalen Rose yesterday. It's not
who I am. I don't condone and you know, any
type of violence. But I take, you know, full responsibility.
You know from my actions and I can see image.

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You know that I paint it, you know over myself.
You know with my recent mistakes in the past, we
didn't we didn't know what was at state. And now
you know, finally me having that time, um to you know,
realize everything, have that time alone, realize that now I
realize you know what I have to lose. Now I
can't wait to be back out there on the floor now,

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you know, knowing what my punishment is and you know,
I accept that and I feel like I deserved, you know,
that punishment for you know my mistakes and you know
what I did. Can I defend him here? Go ahead,
because maybe I'm on an island. He got sucked into
the life. I've seen this, I got kids, you get
sucked into social media. You get sucked into stuff. He's
a young kid. Ask yourself this, when you were twenty

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two years old, if somebody gave you forty million dollars
and made you an internet star, girls, money, fame, I
think you could get sucked in. Like, I feel bad
for him now it's all on him. I'm not saying
he didn't deserve punishment. But this is not the NFL
where kids come into the league with four and five
years in college. The two best players in this draft

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aren't even playing in college. You're getting babies that cannot
drink at the hotel bar. They're like nineteen, he got
sucked into the lifestyle, alcohol, hall, fame, guns, crowd. It's like,
there's part of me. I know I'm a softie here,
but they're right. Part of me is like, it's hard
for young people when they get it's hard for fifty

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year olds. I mean, you've heard the term midlife crisis
where a fifty year old guy starts driving a Maserati
and cheating on his wife with some you know, young person.
That happens to a fifty year old man. So if
a nineteen year old kid gets the world served to him,
some of these kids aren't ready for it. Emotionally, I
wouldn't have been ready for I don't know if I
would have. I'm not into guns, but I wouldn't have

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been ready for it. I'll just say the Job Morant
image rehab team did a really nice job there. You know,
he's got a big sponsorship with a certain Swoosh brand
and if you look at the interview, very proud swoosh
and the jacket and the jewelry tucked in, not flexing anything.
Good job by them. They're gonna get him back on
the court. And I'm rooting for job I know what
I just said. He's one of the planet's greatest athletes. Yeah,

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I will say some of the sideline celebration that he's
done and the Grizzlies talking a lot of trash Dellen Brooks,
They're gonna have to dial that back. Leagues looking at them.
They have a target on their back down Golden State, Dallas.
The league is better when John Morants plunder. And the West,
which is goofy anyway, needs Job Morant because Memphis is good. Yeah,

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people make mistakes. Young people make more when you heap
a bunch of stuff. I just made a lot I
made many. Oh God, the twenties, I'd like to just
scratch it off and never Aren't you happy social media
did not exist? Oh? I could never not again. I'm
not a I'm not a gun guy, but I would.
I would have been closing bars and doing stupid stuff. Yeah,

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and mistakes doing that when I was a sportscaster making nothing.
You were doing that last week. Weren't you yet? Not
a bar? I mean, it's I know. So I think
I've gotten less judgment, well, especially to young people as
of age, because I've I've seen it, I dealt with it.
It's hard, you know. I used to be able. You
could party and nobody knew about it. Now you're being
gassed up all the time. You the man, You're great.

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You'd get that occasionally if you went out. Now you
get it all day. You get the criticism, the love
all day, and you you open your phone on your pocket.
All these people alien models are like, let's hook up
and eating guys, let's go out by jump on the
private jet. It's a lot. It's a tough listen you,
and I know it's tough to just say no. Sometimes
you gotta just back and like thank you. But no thanks.

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It's hard, hard, all right. J Mack with the news.
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd lot. I always believe this. People without options always
criticize people with options. It is easy to sit on
your you know, at the podium and go, I can't
believe you did this. This this When you're never offered
beautiful women, cash, private jets parties, it's easy to say

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I can't believe you did that. John Morant was getting
every offer DMed all day. He got sucked in it happens.
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McK and I tried to predict what the over unders

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we're gonna be now the Jets have Aaron Rodgers, though
not official, and the Packers have moved off Aaron Rodgers
to Jordan Love. Our numbers were pretty darn close. The
over under on the Jets with Aaron Rodgers would now
be over ten. I would bet the under on that.
I think the Jets will be an eight er and
nine win team with Aaron Rodgers, especially if the Packers

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keep dragging this thing out. Also, the Packers over under
is to me way too low at seven and a half.
So remember schedules and the quarterbacks you face can determine
a lot. So Green Bay gets lucky and faces the
NFC South as one of their combatants next year. That
means three bad quarterbacks and Derek Carr with a lousy

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defensive head coach lousy Dennis Allen to this point in
his career. So here's the quarterbacks that Jordan Love would face.
Justin Fields two times, Desmond Ritter, Daniel Jones, Baker Mayfield
or Kyle Trask, whoever Carolina drafts Kenny pick at Jimmy Garoppolo.
That's eight right there. Not only that, Russell Wilson certainly

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beatable Kirk Cousins Jared Goff four times combined. Now let's
just put down Mahomes as a loss, and Stafford if
he's available, as a loss, and Justin Herbert it is
the Chargers, but that's a loss. You could be fourteen
and thirteen. I don't think you're gonna win all those games,
but seven and a half is low. This idea green
Bay is gonna capsize. Remember they're probably getting the Jets

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first round pick with Aaron Rodgers. There's a story today
green Bay ain't moving until they get a first round pick,
not multiple, but one, and I think that's incredibly fair.
That would give them two first round picks in the
middle of the first round. Yet, well, green Bay doesn't
whiff on first round picks. They draft and develop top
five in the NFL. Two first round picks for Green Bay.

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Those are two starters very quickly. So it's also much
easier to navigate the NFC. And I'll give you an
example of what the NFC is now. I'm not saying
Jordan Love is forty five year old time Brady, but
last year, at forty five, forty six years old, Brady
with the worst run game in the league a defensive
head coach, had multiple wins with a single touchdown pass.

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In fact, Brady won five games last year. This is
with no run game with a passer rating under ninety.
So if Jordan Love is an eighty seven eighty eight
passer rating guy with a much better run game than
Brady had and a much easier schedule, potentially he can't
win eight games. Hell, they only won eight games with

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Aaron Rodgers last year. So this idea, there's this massive
pressure to replace Aaron Rodgers. Aaron didn't make the playoffs.
Aaron's been a postseason disappointment last three or four years,
last three years. So it's not like you're you know,
you're not replacing Mahomes or you know somebody Joe Burrow

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that leaves awake. You're replacing the guy the city was
tired of the team's moved moving on from with a
schedule with eight average quarterbacks. You know, Jimmy Garoppolo is
better than average, but not a Ton Desmond Ritter, Justin Fields,
Daniel Jones, Kyle Trash, Baker Mayfield a rookie, and Carolina
Kenny Pickett. No, don't know, so I think the Jets

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at ten fields a little high. For me. I would
bet the under on that they may hit ten, but
I think it's it feels like an under seven and
a half for green Bay. Does it not feel a
little low? Well, I just looked at twenty twenty two
and what did the Packers do last year? They had
losses too. Are you ready for this? Taylor Heineke, Daniel
Jones over in London and they lost at home to

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whoever the Jets had at quarterback. I believe it was
Zach Wilson. So they're gonna be going down in quarterback
from Aaron Rodgers to Jordan Love. The defense last year
was a catastrophe. Okay, we know they were highly ready
to going into the season. They had some injuries. Jaye
Alexander played poorly, so I don't think you could automatically
say like, this is a team that could win nine games, okay,

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but at eight they wouldn't make the playoffs? Is it?
Don't you think it's a pretty good bet with the
stability they have Jordan Love now year four with two
first round starters, probably at least one a tight end
or a receiver. Remember you say, well green Bay wasn't
good last year. No, they were really good late. They
weren't good early because Aaron didn't go to off off

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site or off season. They were a terrible team early.
They were a very good team late. They were dangerous, right, yeah,
very late. They beat Justin Fields at Soldier, they beat
Baker Mayfield. Teams are gonna play this year at home.
They played, they beat two in Miami and then they
beat Kirk Cousins. Well again, so that's who they're playing
next year. It's not like it's different. I'm just saying,

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do you think Kirk Cousins is going to go eleven
and oh and one score games? There'll be some regression
from Kirk Cousins, some some, but we I think we
admit Lions are gonna be a problem. And it looks
like the Lions did they sweet? Yeah, the Lions swept
the Packers last year. So the big question is do
you think they're going to do that back to back years. Listen,
I'm telling you right now I like the Lions to

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win that division next year. And by the way, by
the way, the Bears are spending like drunken sailors right
now in free agency. They are not going to be
the worst team in the league next year. They're gonna
be a six or seven win team, and they're gonna
be a problem fighting back. They got a lot more
talent already. Colin a lot of linebackers, signed a bunch
of linebackers. What's that receiver's name, Oh, dj Moore, that's right.

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We'll see if they can get the ball to him.
Justin are you doubting Justin Field? Well, I'm sixty forty.
I'm not eighty twenty. I'm sixty forty. He can play
in this league as a starter. I'm not sixty forty.
He's going to be a star. That to me is
really low. Sixty forty. He's a franchise I'll just remind
I know you know this, but when Jalen Hurts added

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AJ Brown, he went from like we don't know him,
maybe he's a starter to potential MVP two at a
Tyreek kill in mid season two. It was on track
to be like an MVP Kennedy. You get these great receivers.
DJ Moore's not grad, he's very good, and there's a
chance Fields makes a big jump. I believe it's very possible.
I do. And those are good examples that when you
gave two and Hurts a star receiver, things change. And

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you even said, Josh Allen, I think he got Stephan
Diggs right when they stole him from Minnesota, and all
of a sudden, Josh Allen's numbers going through the roof.
So I'm none of this. I'm denying. I'm just what
I'm saying is seven and a half wins. What you're
making it sound like is Green Bay in the NFC
is gonna be a non factor's bad in a seventeen

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game schedule. You bet the under they're gonna go seven
and ten in the NFC. That's a bad football team.
That's a bad A seven and ten team in the
NFC is not a seven and ten team in the AFC.
Oh and you're taking away your great blocking receiver in
Allen Zart, He's out the door. He's in the New
York Football Jets uniform. Now. I love how we go

(39:59):
back and fo I think I'm just I tend to
believe that well run. You know. My rule has always
been higher smart people. They'll figure it out. Green Bay's
got a lot of smart people in that organization, Scouts,
Regional Scouts, Guden Kounts, Mark Murphy. These are smart guys.
They'll figure some stuff out. What they're making a bet

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on from all the video they've seen, the practices, Jordan
Love can play. I trust smart guy is saying, we
think he can play. That's what they said years ago
with Aaron Rodgers who went to junior college and cow.
They're like, this guy can play to people back in
a second