May 9, 2024 • 43 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Rick Carlisle pulls the ‘small market team’ from the bottom of the deck. The guys have a suggestion for improving “Pro Bowl Week.” Plus, NFL Reporter, Albert Breer joins the guys for his weekly visit.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It is the best of two pros and a couple.
Joe with Lamar Arrington rating win and Jonas Knots on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Have about those damn New York Knicks. Huh yeah, just
throwing it down at MSG.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Stars and all the boys, right, hell yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Man, you know, yeah yeah, and uh, you know, you
couldn't have an NBA playoff series without the law offices
of Bitch and Moan checking out. And apparently Rick Carlisle,
the head coach of the Indiana Pacers, is none too
(00:43):
thrilled with the officiating thus far through two games at MSG.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
After Game one, we we always go through the film
and games where it felt like, you know, the whistles
weren't balanced, and we pulled the clips and there's a
there's a you can submit them to the to the
NBA office. And so there were twenty nine plays in
game one that we thought were clearly called the wrong way.
(01:10):
I decided not not to submit them because I just
felt like, you know, we get a more balanced whistle tonight.
It didn't feel that way. I can promise you that
we're going to submit these tonight. New York can get ready.
They'll see them too. I'm always talking to our guys
about not making it about the officials, but we deserve
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a fair shot, you know, And and it's just there's
not there's not a consistent balance, and that's disappointing. Their
their physicality is rewarded and ours is penalized to time
after time, and so small market teams deserve an equal shot,
no matter where, no matter where they're playing.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I mean, oh wow, small market team from.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
The bottom of the day. Yeah, is that what he went?
That's the way.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
It's not the the deck, that's the messaging though, because
can we be real about this, what we've all been
in the TV radio industry, we know that's the bigger
brands that drive ratings, right, we know it's the atmosphere
and msg that all the things that people want.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
To see behind the scenes. And we've heard stories about this.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
We know people who are you know in this business
who are rooting for the New York Knicks to get
there or they're rooting for the bigger market team. I mean,
probably one of the biggest disgraces is in the NFL,
which is the top sport, that the Kansas City Chiefs
are the ones that traded up took Patrick Mahomes it's
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not the New York Jet, it's New York Giants, it's
not you know, one of those bigger, big markets, and
instead it's it's him in Kansas City.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
So you hear the stuff. But that's the truth.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
And I don't know that the officiating was quite as
bad this past game as it was in the first.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
Game, but there is a bit of a balance.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
I mean, see the Pacers get got called more for
a few more fouls and obviously go back to Game War,
there's some atrocious officiating in that one.
Speaker 7 (03:07):
So you can see a poll for the botto of
the deck. There's some truth of that though. That was
a demoralizing loss. They they should have won that game.
I mean, he can put it on the referees, but
they they should have won that game.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (03:23):
They they had the opportunity to win it. They were
playing a team that was shorthanded. Their their best player
for an entire quarter. He came back wounded and still
was was spanking them. Uh one of their other guys
and his his what hamstring his booty cheek was was
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falling off during the game.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
I mean he was hurt. I'm I'm I'm blank. Was
that o g at that.
Speaker 7 (03:53):
Yeah, yeah, there can be no you can.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
He can make it about them being a small market team.
Speaker 7 (04:00):
He can make it about the officials, and he could
be very well accurate in what he's saying. But watching
the game, they could have won the game, and they
should like complaining about what looked like a double dribble
that wasn't a double dribble. Yeah, can't be you bitching
(04:22):
and moaning about officiating being skewed towards the Knicks.
Speaker 8 (04:28):
They did the right thing. They waved the call off.
Speaker 7 (04:32):
It was like so disappointed and frustrated in the car, like, dude,
it wasn't a double dribble, Like, get over it. I mean,
come on, y'all, allow to dude, come back. His foot
is banged up. He had the Sherman clump foot and
still was crossing y'all up and putting it in the hole.
(04:52):
Like like, accept the loss and try to do something
to turn this into a series.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
To do something.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I mean, it is another layer of intrigue to the series,
because now I am curious to see I thought going
into this game that based on the complaints and the
awful calls, and I'm with Brady. I didn't think last
Night's game was as bad as Game one. The calls
late in game one the illegal screen were awful, like
they were terrible. So I thought there would be an
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overreaction and an overcorrection by the officials, and there wasn't.
And so now after you hear Rick Kyler Carlisle go
that direction, I'm fascinated to see how this is looked
at in game three because those fans, like what Carlisle's
done is basically gas up the Indiana Pacer fans to
where they're gonna complain and rip into the refs any chance,
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in any opportunity they get in game three. And so
I do like that he's added another layer of intrigue
to the series.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
So I was gonna say, like, you know what, i'd
the advice that I'd give these officials. You know, just
don't stand in Annapolis. Where would you go, Like I
stay somewhere outside of it. I don't know, Tera Hoot
or somewhere, you know, somewhere like.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Somewhat close French Lick maybe French maybe not far enough.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
That's all I know.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
I mean, you go look at a map right now,
Jonas LeVar, you guys picked some obscure smaller town cities
and you stay at a holiday and express, all right,
or you stay fight maybe done.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Bloomington, they got a graduate hotel down there.
Speaker 8 (06:22):
Yeah, that's a great call.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Yeah, State a graduate hotel somewhere down there. Because I
know it's a little bit of a trek, but I
don't think you're going to be treated overly well if
they find out that you're part of the NBA officiating
crew with the way this series.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Has gone so far.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
French Lick to Indiana, Indianapolis two hours, six minutes. That's
a one hundred mile drive.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
Lovely, just French Lick.
Speaker 8 (06:46):
You know, I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Good golf.
Speaker 7 (06:49):
We were being about French earlier in the week though.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Yeah, but it sounds good. That's I don't know if
it is. It sounds good though.
Speaker 7 (06:59):
You know, I'm just saying you you was, you was
holler in America earlier on this this week. You know, well, yeah,
you're welcome French Lifting, you know, for all those who.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Sacrificed and and stepped up and defended France and they
needed to.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah, they're they're welcome.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Why the hell would Fresh why how would French Lick
have good golf courses?
Speaker 6 (07:20):
Is when you're not from the Midwest.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
You asked questions like that when you grew up your
entire life in Thousand Oaks. Let me tell you, people
people say and ask questions like that because they've never
driven through the Midwest.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
They don't know how beautiful the Midwest can actually be.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Where there's great opportunities to build golf courses, have resorts,
having to have a nice little hotel or maybe a
nice little lake with a bunch of attractions around.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
There. It's coming. It's like one hundred yards away the
crazing right.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
When everybody knows that Monmouth, Illinois to.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Actually farmed the table, not like that. You know, they say, oh,
it's farmed the table. Listen, just they got bought in
a farmer's market. Let me let's put on your table.
Let me know how you can smell the farm from
the road.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, let me go ahead and put you guys up
on a little bit of game here French click to Monmouth, Illinois.
All right, everybody knows it's a straight shot on the
ice seventy four. Everybody knows that it's it's just under
a six six six hour drive and you can get
there straight on the ice.
Speaker 8 (08:17):
Seventy four.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Now if you wanted to, you know, you could take
the five the fifty nine to the seventy four, or
you could take the sixty nine to the seventy four.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
We feel like Google Maps. Are you talking about reading
them off?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Is I I can't get Wi Fi in this studio
and you know that this is all just from the Midwest.
Speaker 7 (08:37):
Or you can fly into Chicago and you know, not
make your next flight and jump into a truck and
drive to Ohio.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Do it LeVar did with Icago. Yeah, if you do
have a medical issue, just you know, take an uber
all the way from Chicago to Columbus.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
You know, there could be that God was that.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
When it was gut?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (08:56):
Man, how's that fitness?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
That under control?
Speaker 7 (08:58):
I heard nothing about it. Hey, that's what I'm saying.
So I got a mad I got me a mad boy.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Put that thing in check.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
The crazy thing about it was when you kept describing it.
I had a friend and and him and a sound
listen to our show in the morning, especially when they're
driving to drop off. But he was going through the
same thing, and I'm like, man, this sounds so similar
to what LeVar is dealing with.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
And that's why. I was like, positive it was gout.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
I mean I have no medical background, but positive based
on his account of what.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
It was that you were dealing with. Gout.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
Man, my big toe was I had to Sherman like
like how like how Brunton had the Sherman foot. I
had the Sherman clomp toe. I had the club ankle.
Oh man, I had a bruntson and didn't even play
no ball.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Oh.
Speaker 9 (09:48):
I know.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Was when you had that walk on though, it was
kind of that pipwalk, you know, you kind of had
that little lip to it, and I was like, all right,
this is kind of cool.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
Though you could play this off.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
For a while.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
I went and got a scooter right after I left
you guys, I went to the game with a scooter.
My adrenaline was going so so high when I did
the big news. My adrenaline was going so high during
the game that I was walking normal. I walked normal
during the game. As soon as the game was over,
I couldn't walk. Couldn't walk like literally couldn't put any
(10:19):
pressure on my foot.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I blame jonas well.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I mean, I just think that's what being around a
guy like Rob Stone does to you.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
It could have been the Midwest air too.
Speaker 7 (10:28):
Though possibly you know, could have to Hey, you know,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
It could have been the referees there.
Speaker 8 (10:41):
If you're from the.
Speaker 7 (10:41):
Midwell, I'm blaming the refs. You know what, my gout
outbreak refs, you suck.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
It was interesting, he said, he you know, after Game one,
which was atrocious towards the end, like he recalled, I
didn't want to blame the officials, but it is cool
to hear.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
The entire process the NBA goes through.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I mean, I remember that we.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Have that process in the NFL and we would go
through plays and they would assign coaches to submit them
in to the NFL for officiating review, and they would
come back and just be like, yeah, we got that wrong,
or now you know that this is why, this is
the rationale behind it. It's you know, somewhat subjective in
this case. So unfortunately like your you know, sol in
(11:23):
this case. But I find the process of it interesting
because there is no recourse, you're not getting the win back.
Maybe it draws attention for the officials so next time
around there are more favorable towards you, I guess. But
the real factor would be if they got demoted if
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you find the officials you know for their inaccuracies. Now
that's to be hard to do because it's hard to
find officials as it is, but there's really no work
around outside of drawing attention to it and exactly what
you said, Jonas to get you know, everyone in Indianapolis
when they come to the Great Indiana just absolutely all
over these officials to the point where they feel the
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pressure to if it's controversial or maybe it's it could
go either way, maybe they're actually calling it in the
direction of the pacers.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
It's but you can see this in every sport that
there are, like who's a Angel Hernandez and baseball the
guys notoriously one of the worst umpires in baseball and
just still doing it like you hear it from everybody.
Guys awful, Like you know, Cowboy Joe West was bad
for years. He would get into altercations with players and
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managers all the time over awful calls. Nothing was done
of it, and it's almost like there's this immunity that
you get when you're an official in sports to where
they're like, listen, we trust as long as you get
like ninety five percent of the calls, right, you're fine.
That's a passing grade. Even though you'll butcher a call
on the biggest stage, in the biggest moment, you don't
hear anything about it. And also to Rick Carlile when
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he says, I found twenty nine calls or whatever he
found in game one that I was going to report
to the league, Why did you like it's the playoffs, Like,
if it's that important to you, you should have reported
it and and done something about it. But maybe he's
at the point to where he says, look, I don't
I don't know what we can do. He thought it
was going to correct itself. It didn't, and now they're
down to zero in a hole. But you know, and
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Anobi's injured. Obviously they've dealt with injuries. You know, Thibodeau's
got those guys playing forty eight I think it was
Josh Hard who said after the game, like, it doesn't
matter what the injury is, I'm playing forty eight minutes
every game anyway, So you know, it's we'll get to
see what happens in Game three.
Speaker 8 (13:31):
For those Indiana Pacers.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I mean, the good news is, you know, if you
crap yourselves in this series, and you get wiped out
in four games. At least Caitlyn Clark's in town to
save the day. So Indiana basketball is gonna be fine.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Talk about that. Talk about what the whole Caitlyn Clark thing.
Speaker 8 (13:49):
Listen, what thing?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
You know?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Like this guy, you gotta be careful.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Whoa, oh, whoa, I don't never mind.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah, just you know, Wow, you're talking about the the
met gala met Gala dress.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Oh wow, No, I wasn't no, oh wow.
Speaker 7 (14:11):
So yeah, acting like a b Now that's that's a bit.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I'll just say this right now.
Speaker 8 (14:17):
I'll just say this, Antonio Brown.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Had he dropped that at the roast, that might have
been right to the top of the list on what
everybody was talking about afterwards. You know what he went
to on social media. That was at least he at
least he stuck to his guns there. You know, he
really uh really doubled down and everything.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
So I think he likes her.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
I think he's trying to like it's like that old
school when he loves her. But when the kids are young, though,
you know how like your daughter comes home.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
Like, oh, daddy, like some little boy like tack me
in the ship or.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Something, I'm like, well, that just means he likes you.
Like he doesn't know how to describe it or explain it.
That just means he likes you. I think there's some
those tactics there a little bit.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah, makes sense. I mean Antonio Brown, Caitlin Clark, LeVar Arrington,
Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox, We're all going to be here.
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Speaker 2 (15:54):
Joe Burrow is thinking about the eighteen game schedule in
the NFL. The possibility of that, and he threw out
an eye idea because you know, the hinting is that
there's going to be two bye weeks. This will probably
be coming up here within the next couple of years
when the NFL tries to really get this done. Joe
Burrow said, listen, you get your standard bye week. But
he did have an idea on the tail end of
this quote about what to do with the second bye
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week now, But you guys, this sounds like a terrible idea.
Speaker 11 (16:19):
You know, eighteen games is definitely a big ask. That's
that's not easy adding that extra game. Obviously it'd be
great for revenue, but I feel like adding that bye week,
if you're going to have the eighteen games schedule, is
pretty critical for our bodies because if you keep that
first bye week and then you know, some teams have
the bye week five, week six, and then you're going
twelve thirteen games in a row, that's that's not easy.
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Probably a Thursday night game thrown in there too.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
So that's that's never easy.
Speaker 11 (16:45):
So those two buys are pretty critical. Maybe you could
do something like the first buys kind of how we
have it now, and the second by everybody has it
at once, and you make it like the Pro Bowl
week or something like a like an All Star break
for the NBA. I don't know, We'll see how it
plays out.
Speaker 8 (17:00):
What do you guys think Pro Bowl week?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Second by of the season, bodies torn up, Let's go
hang out for a week during the Pro Bowl instead
of going to be with our families.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
What do you think that ain't gonna work? I mean,
it doesn't matter where you put the Pro Bowl. The
days of the Pro Bowl that LeVar was in an experience,
those are gone. I don't think you're ever going to
see those again. So I don't know why we keep
trying to make it or bring it back, because there's
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too much money at risk. There's too much at risk
for the players, even the teams for that matter. And
there's not gonna be a focus on it. If it's
in the middle of the season, if it's after the season,
before the Super Bowl, there's just there's not a sense
of seriousness to it. So no matter how you go
about doing it, you're never gonna get what LeVar was
a part of. My only thoughter idea would be you
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try to make this Senior Bowl a bigger event, a
big event for scouting for teams, but you sell it
as the future stars of tomorrow and you get as
many great college football players blow it out.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
Have it in.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
It could be in the super Bowl city, right, It
could be in the city that they're designating for the
super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
You could have it there during that off week.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
And that would be kind of the precursor to the Draft,
to the Combine, to all of that for a lot
of NFL fans who, yes, the biggest game of the
season is staring them dead in the eyes. But that's
for two teams. You also have thirty other teams who
are out of it and they're already thinking about the Draft,
they're thinking about the Combine, they're thinking about these things.
So instead of having it in Mobile, and I know
that's gonna really be crushing to Mobile's local economy and
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they're gonna hate me saying this. Jim Naga, I'm sure
hates me saying this, But that is the tweak that
I think you could get more engagement and potentially more people,
you know, have more eyes on to be a part
of an event like that.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Since you're selling the.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Futures of tomorrow of today in the NFL, I don't know,
correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
For you played in it.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
You were there three times. It's a great experience. But
I just I can't imagine guys gonna want to play
in it. I like the idea of it. I mean,
you got all these opt outs. Let's let's take it
a step further. Why not make it an All American
game and take the best players from college? I like that,
and do a game, yeah, see the best players, like
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the All American team that's chosen, have them play a
game during like, announce the Pro Bowlers because and do
it during the bye week, like like, I love that,
but do it during the bye week.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
So it's a part of the NFL. But it's not
the NFL. You announce the the Pro Bowlers. The Pro
Bowlers are in attendance, and or maybe they're not, who knows.
But you turn it into a spectacle for the NFL.
But it it dovetails into kinda or it touches into
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the college space. I think that would be crazy too,
because them dudes will be balling.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
They would be balling.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Because basically, the Pro Bowl as it exists kind of
a waste of time.
Speaker 8 (20:10):
So at least make something out of it.
Speaker 7 (20:12):
Right, Yeah, it's almost kind of you're making a mockery
of what it was. Where it's at right now, it's
a mockery of what it was. I'd rather not see
it at all. And you just say, this used to be,
this is where the Pro Bowl used to be, Like,
do something like that, announce the team, here's where when
we used to have the Pro Bowl, you know, show
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some highlights from past Pro Bowls and former players and
move on from it, because what it is now it's
just I don't it's shenanigans.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Well let's be clear too.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
There came a point in time where it's gotten to
the point where the alternates that it's not as creative
the honor as it used to be. And I'm not
saying that any derogatory way to anyone who's made it,
even as an alternate.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
But when you guys were playing LeVar, it's like everyone
played like there weren't two is really opted out?
Speaker 6 (21:04):
It was. It was different. It was like what it was.
Speaker 7 (21:07):
Designed to be, Like the Brett Farves, like guys like that,
they you know, they would opt out, like some of
the bigger names or older guys, they would opt out.
But for the most part, man, everybody was trying to
go like that was. That was outside of the super Bowl.
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That was like got to make the Pro Bowl. It's
like super Bowl, got to make super Bowl first, trund
make super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
If we're not making the super.
Speaker 7 (21:35):
Bowl, I got to make this Pro Bowl like that was,
and you wanted to play in it, like I can
recall working out like it was in season as the
season was was ending because you were going to play
in the playing the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
So you know, I don't know it.
Speaker 7 (21:52):
It isn't the same, And you know that's.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
Can I be honest to you.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
I think the NFL is really the person to blame
the most, and I hope everyone understands this. When they
left and stop going to a why thank you, they
changed the entire dynamic of what that trip was for
the players where I mean, I remember when dudes be going,
they'd be like asking you, Hey, you're like what we'll
pay for you to come out? You want to come
out to you know, I'm bringing so and so, like
come on out. Like they were like paying for everyone
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to go, like not only their family, like they'd be
paying for everyone, like the whole crew. And I looked
at it, I was like, man, think about how much
great of an honor that is. And what I was
always thought in the back of my head was the
players who were getting incentives and they're getting paid to go,
but they're probably not even making money.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
They might be losing money when it's all said and done.
This trip is so.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Expensive and the NFL is probably losing money because this
trip is so expensive for all involved, and there's not
as much attention or focus.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
On all that.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
And I think the business model is what killed it.
And I mean, look, I'll be transparent. After going overseas
to London, which you know, witnessing a football matches, they
would call it watching soccer over there, I do get
concerned about the element of like capitalism coming into some
(23:11):
of these leagues and just thinking, oh, we just throw
a bunch of money, we're goen.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
I tried to drive drive revenue, drive revenue.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Drive revenue.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
There's some things that aren't about money. And that's the
problem is like sometimes you know, when you have a
special event like that, you're not always gonna be able
to maximize your profits. You might be able to make
a little bit, but it's an honor to your players
it's an honor to like the coaches and people around
and had probably a great trip.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
For even some of the folks who are in the
NFL that are working.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
It as a bit of a work slash vacation because
it's more laid back, but it was an honor and
so a lot of times, like a profit doesn't come
with that. And the problem is because they got so
focused on trying to make it more profitable and this
and that it lost its luster. It lost the allure
of what it is. And now you don't go to Hawaii.
Now you don't got you know, have guys, the best
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guys going, and now they're opting out.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
Now there's not even really a game. And I think
it had a lot to do with that.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
And look, I compared to the soccer game, because there's
this element of just you know, fans, it doesn't matter
where the backgrounds you come from. In fact, some of
the closest seats to the field, to the pitches, they
would say are not necessarily the cheapest, but they're much
more affordable. And they're made that way because those are
going to be the most rackets fans. Those are going
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to be the fans that the ones they're like keeping
back with security and barricades, or when there's a goal scored,
people go nuts and they're trying to run on the field,
and that's how it should be. Like I kind of
hate the way stadiums are are made nowadays.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Where it's like you don't get that anymore.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
It's like the people who are the most rowdy, most
loyal fans sometimes in the nosebleeds. So I know, I'm
gone my soapbox going off on a tangent on this,
but I think that's the blame for the death of
the Pro Bowl and really like many other things as
far as like how we see the shape of sports
and what they're becoming right now.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Gotta get back to Wahoo, baby, Gotta get back there.
It's not there anymore, I know, but you gotta get
back there.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
Yeah, literally might step on a nail if you go
back now.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Man, it's not there anymore.
Speaker 8 (25:11):
A heartbreaker.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
You know what's sad too, is you know Jonas used
to talk a lot LaVar about Kona Beer. Now he
never talks about them, you know, Big Wave.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
He used to give them the shout out if they
give me more back for recitaling.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
I would never talks about them anymore.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, listen, I mean they can happen.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
I mean, look, if.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
You're all cans mate the same, I.
Speaker 8 (25:31):
Don't know which one is you talking about. I'm just
I'm trying to get to the bottom of this stuff.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Look I figured out in the middle of my laugh.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
I was laughing because I was laughing, and then I
figured out what you said, and then it and then
it became a different leg.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yeah, I mean that's it became funny.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
It's a whole nother, whole other discussion. But yeah, listen
to you know, I still dabble, kinder, fine, still dabble.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
But the answer is no.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Look, if you're if you're a sponsor of this show,
you get a preferential treatment here on this show. And
you know, as soon as they want to jump in
and jump on board and join the party, yeah we
can have that discussion. But until then, you know, keep
quiet on that stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Now we welcome in our guy, Albert Breer, Senior, NFL
reporter lead content strategist.
Speaker 8 (26:27):
At the MMQB.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
You can get him on Twitter or x at Albert
Breer ab Happy Thursday.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
How we feeling, Hey, guys, what's happening.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
We're trying to get to the bottom of this.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Did the Raiders decide on brock Bauers over Terry and
Arnold via a coin flip or not? Can you clear
this up, Forest, please, because that's the club from.
Speaker 9 (26:45):
Tyn oh, but not that I know of. But that's
a fun story, and that would look really really bad
if Terry and Arnold wound up becoming like all pro
and and brock Powers didn't become much. So, you know,
I I know the Raiders had an interest in Michael
Pennix and you know, had to pivot a little bit
when he came to the board surprisingly enough at number
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eight overall. And you know, I do think that, you know,
like brought Bowers was sort of I think like an
ideal fit for the Raiders too, and that that that
was part of it, you know, is that I think
one of the things from Bowers is unique and and
and and prolific of college player as he was, You're
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gonna need a plan for him in the NFL, and
I know how much the Raiders think of Michael Meyer
as like the traditional in line tight end. And the
thing is, you need one of those sorts of type
to really get the most out of Bowers if you're
gonna move them around and do all the things you
want to do with them, as like a move type
of tight end, like a Shannon Sharp type of tight end.
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So I think he went to the ideal place to
to get the most out of him. Obviously they got
to get the quarterback things sorted out with Carter Minshew
and Aidan O'Connell and all those guys, But I didn't
get any in the tom Ti Lasco or Antoni appears
for flip of a coin.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
Am I do want to ask you this question.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
Have you ever heard of another time in the history
of the NFL where there was a coin flip that
didn't involve a kickoff? You know, it is maybe a
part of a decision made by a coaching staff.
Speaker 9 (28:16):
Well, there have been, I mean, there have been the
ones for draft picks, right like I know, like there
are when the tiebreakers are exhausted. There have been a
couple I can't remember who it was, but there were
a couple of the combine where I think one year
it was like who's going to pick seventh and who's
going to pick eights? And they legitimately had like all
the different tiebreakers have been exhausted, you know, you got
(28:38):
to get bucked at ninth tiebreaker or whatever to the
coin flote. But I'm not I'm probably not like leaning
into whatever your joke's about to be there.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
Brady, Okay, I no, worse.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
I wasn't sure if there was like maybe a preseason
game where a head coach who had a quarterback battle
had to decide between two quarterbacks.
Speaker 9 (28:54):
Now I didn't know. I know we were opening old
wounds here, keep going.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I mean, listen, I just had heard a story that
Lovey Smith was deciding on Rex Grossman and Kyle Orton
to start preseason games back in the day, and he
flipped a coin.
Speaker 8 (29:06):
That's what I had heard.
Speaker 9 (29:08):
I guess that's a fair way to decide it, right,
Nobody can pitch about that, Nope.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Yeah, although Jonas has told this story probably twenty seven
times over the time we've worked together.
Speaker 8 (29:16):
First time, if.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
You're privy to that story that we're pretty sure it's
made up.
Speaker 9 (29:20):
At this point, I wasn't. I guess love you could
say you could take it up with the quarter, right,
like yeah, yeah, if you have a problem with it, yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Point, I feel like should I ask a serious question?
Should rolling? I don't know, Like I felt like this
might be.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
Petros like they aby you've graduated to Petros Papa Daykins level.
I did want to ask about just kind of the
follow up on any any type of developments with the
Rashi Rashee Rice situation.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Where does that stand?
Speaker 9 (30:00):
Yeah, well, I mean I'll start here before any of
the stuff happened. You know, earlier this week, there was
an expectation on the Chiefs parts the guy was going
to be suspended, and you know, like they didn't think
he was. They don't think he's a bad guy, but
they felt like he had a lot of growing up
to do. And the hope was that just the I
(30:20):
mean the outright stupidity of the previous incident, where I
mean you're walking away from a pretty major car accident
after allegedly drag racing like that would kind of think
in like, hey, you've got a real future here. You like,
if you screw this up, you could be costing yourself
millions and millions and millions of dollars. And obviously it
(30:43):
sure looks like that whatever that lesson the Chiefs were
hoping that Rice would learn did not sink in.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
And so.
Speaker 9 (30:52):
Now I think that, like, you know, if you're the Chiefs,
you got to go forward and just almost operate as
if you know, we're not going to have Roshie Rice
for an extended period of time to begin the season. Now,
you know, we'll see how long it takes for these
things to go to the court. And we know the
NFL doesn't like to you sort of jump the line
when it comes to discipline, you know, and get in
front of the law enforcement. But for a guy who
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had a little bit of a reputation coming out of college,
this is not a good start to his first off season.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
As a pro.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Get him on Twitter at Albert Breers, Senior NFL reporter,
lead content strategist at the MMQB. Joining us here on
Fox Sports Radio, Abe, we're playing the sound from Joe
Burrow talking about his recovery from the risk issue and
just talking about it was the most difficult time in
his life and so on and so forth, and we
took it. It came across that he was concerned that
(31:48):
maybe this was a little bit different than some of
the other injuries he had dealt with. From people you've
talked to, is there some legit concern about what he
could look like moving forward and how this injury is
going to pan out for Yeah.
Speaker 9 (32:00):
We'll just start here, Jonas you know, and and and
Brady can probably appreciate this. I I have learned in
my years covering the NFL to never downplay an injury
to a quarterback's shoulder, his elbow, his wrist, his hand.
Like I just I've learned over time, like you know,
(32:22):
and seeing people downplay those those sorts of things where
they can loom large on a guy's career, you know,
So I think anything that has to do with any
of those parts of a quarterbacks arm and I'm sorry
for the soundtrack, right, Yeah, the gunner gunner has returned.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
To the radio.
Speaker 9 (32:43):
Uh so. Uh So, like I I've learned, I've learned
never to downplay those sorts of those sorts of injuries
for a quarterback. Uh there's also a lack of history
with this injury for quarterbacks, you know, Joe said in himself.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Like what is the injury Albert I'm sorry to cut
you off, but.
Speaker 9 (33:03):
I don't know, you burbage. It's a torn ligament in
his wrist, and there's there's there's actual verbiage for it.
You know, some of the some of the doctors on
on social media have broken it down, but it's an
injury that they've seen an offensive lineman and defensive linemen
and linebackers, and you've seen those guys come back from it.
But there's just not a lot of history of quarterbacks
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suffering this injury, which is I think where some of
the uncertainty comes in because you know, obviously Joe's again
Joe said it himself, like you know, alignment or a
linebacker doesn't need the same sort of mobility and his
risk that a quarterback does to do his job. So
I'd say there's a fair amount of concern there. And
then you know, like there's just the fact that like
for Joe, I'm sure you know, Joe's brutally honest about
(33:47):
this stuff and he doesn't doesn't doesn't mind like opening
a opening a vein when it comes to this stuff.
But I mean, he hasn't had a normal off season
as a pro yet, you know, so twenty twenty one
is coming back off the ACL and twenty twenty two
yet attend the site. Is that cost him most of
the training camp? And then last year he had the
calf injury, you know, during camp. So I'm sure there's
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some level of frustration for Joe two with just the
accumulation of injuries, which you know obviously have surrounded a
lot of really really high level quarterback play.
Speaker 7 (34:19):
Is the time to do away with the Rooney uh,
the Rooney rule?
Speaker 9 (34:25):
I think you're referencing the Patriots situation right where they
have where they have two candidates in them the same day.
They don't do the interview in Foxboro at the stadium,
they do the interview at Boston, which raises the question,
are you just doing it close to the airport so
you can get these guys in and out check the box? Yeah,
I think there's you know, LeVar, I think that they're
(34:47):
I don't know, like I just like I think that
there is I think that there's a way, there's got
to be a way where we can change this, right
and like, you know, like there's a difference between promoting
somebody from within and hiring somebody from the outside. There's
even a difference between like hiring somebody like Jim Harbaugh
(35:08):
and say hiring like a first time head coach like
a Shane Steichen or a Brian Callahan, right, Like, there's
a difference between those things. And I don't know if
it's like, okay, like if you have a target and
you know you're going to hire this one guy at
the beginning of the process, do you create like an
exclusive negotiating window where you can't talk to anybody else
(35:30):
and you have a chance to close a deal with
the guy and you know, maybe you aren't subject to
the roomy rule. Then I don't know what it is,
what it would be, but you know, there's got to
be I think there's got to be a smart way
to do this, you know. And again like I don't
have all the answers on that, but I feel like
there's there's enough smart people in that room and those
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rooms to figure that out.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
You know.
Speaker 9 (35:52):
It's just you know, you like and I don't mind
like the guys going and doing the interviews either, because
I do think from a networking perspective, getting an owner
to know you getting the interview repped, Like, I don't
think that there's any there's any like huge downside to
going and doing it, you know, but clearly, you know,
(36:13):
like with in these sorts of situations, there is I
think something a little bit broken about the running rules
the way of.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Stan Albert Breer joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. ABE,
the NFL does a pretty good job of sort of
laying out and having a roadmap towards big events, you know,
off season, you know where we're.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
Going to go.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
We're going to Brazil, We're going to London for these games,
all this stuff. Yet it seems like there's always like
this sort of it's kind of around this time when
it comes to the schedule release. Why isn't it, as
I guess, more an easier situation for them to plan
for our I guess, an easier situation for them to
promote and let people know definitively it's going to be
(36:56):
on this state at this time. That's when we're launching
it as a opposed to us seeing some reports from
Sports Business journal saying, yeah, we're hearing that it's going
to be next Wednesday at eight pm Eastern time. It
usually feels like the NFL's got this stuff planned out
further in advance. Why is it different with the schedule release.
Speaker 9 (37:14):
Because there are a lot of hands in the pot,
and there are a lot of competing interests, and there
is a lot of money to be made and lost
on these things. And honestly, I think, you know, like
Mike Flurio wrote about it, like I think the Christmas
Day stuff is part of it. You know, Like, so
they're trying to maximize what they can get in pulling
games back and pulling games off of Sunday and putting
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them on a Wednesday, which happens to be Christmas Day.
And then if they're going to do that and go
to the trouble of doing that, well then all right,
Like so now you know, we got to make the
most money we possibly can off of it. So are
we getting the number that we want? And then you
know there's a matter of the teams involved too. It's
like ostensibly these aren't going to be bad teams. They're
(37:56):
going to put those windows, you know, And if you're
one of these teams, is that means like a you're
taxing your entire operation, not just your players and coaches,
your entire operation on a major holiday, right, And like
if you're a team that's had you know, this sort
of thing done to them over the last couple of years.
You're not going to want to do that again. There
are only so many people you can ask. On top
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of that, there's a competitive aspect to it, right where
those are week fifteen, sixteen, and seventeen of the season.
Those teams are going to have to play Sunday, Saturday,
and then Wednesday like that deep into the season, right,
So that's two short weeks, consecutive short weeks. It's a
lot to ask of any team. And so how do
you find the right teams to do that with? And
(38:39):
you remember those teams have to match up now, so
they're all playing the previous Wednesday, which means they've got
to be playing each other the previous Wednesday. It's it's
I think the Christmas Day thing has complicated this. It's
always complicated by all the competing interests, both competitive interests
and financial interests. And I think it's you know, the
NFL creating the problem for itself because they have decided
(39:03):
to go in so many different directions with the schedule
and stretch things, so like like just stretch everybody so
tend in so many different ways. So yeah, it's it's interesting,
you know. I mean, we'll get the schedule on Wednesday.
But certainly it's become more and more complicated as the
NFL is focused more and more on on trying to
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montite every single element of it.
Speaker 6 (39:26):
Albert thirty seconds. Just give me a little bit of
a quick take for the NBA NFL debate.
Speaker 9 (39:33):
The m oh I here's what I would say. I
would say the numbers favor the NFL side of it.
I don't know where you're going to find your lineman
in your and your your your linebackers, you know, from
the NBA, Whereas like if you're talking about NFL going
to NBA, you just got to find five guys, right Like,
(39:56):
so I think it's a little more complicated filling out
a football roster. Now that said, I do think like
if you were just ranking like the top five raw athletes,
like the best, like the most gifted athletes is probably
the basketball players.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Why Albert, I would what is that based off of?
Speaker 12 (40:15):
I would ye see though, I would love to see
the best of the NBA and they take off, they
try to, you know, create a football team all right,
leven on defense, leven on offense, and have us do
a five all five.
Speaker 6 (40:28):
Basketball game too, we'll see who wins that.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Let's do a combine the NFL. Let's do a combine.
Speaker 9 (40:37):
Agreeing with you, I think there's no question, Like I
think I think football players, football players would would fare
better play basketball player basketball against basketball players and the
other way around, no questions. They're like talking about the
greatest athletes, like don't you think Look, Lebron James is
a complete uniform right, like there are no one else?
Speaker 7 (40:57):
But what what makes him a better athlete than the
better athlete in football?
Speaker 6 (41:01):
Calvin Johnson's not far off.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
I'm with you, Albert right right through the NFL.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
There's one hundred lebrons. There's a thousand lebrons in the
in the NFL.
Speaker 9 (41:14):
Now that's not true either, one.
Speaker 7 (41:16):
Hundred, one hundred percent, and one of them is playing
offensive line or playing tight end, or playing linebacker, playing safety.
Speaker 9 (41:24):
But I'm I'm I'm with you. I'm with you. I
think that there's no question.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
I'm just being.
Speaker 9 (41:31):
Players would be more competitive playing against basketball players in
a basketball game, the other way around, no question about it.
Speaker 7 (41:37):
I want to see a combine with NBA players and
NFL players because I would love so it's so easy
for people to say that these guys they're they're they
are aliens, they're the only thing that makes them unique
is that they're tall.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
That's it. That's it. Our verticals, our verticals are high
like and they get to take steps. We don't even
get to take steps.
Speaker 7 (41:59):
I don't know people know that when you're when you're
measuring an NBA vertical versus an NFL, we get no steps.
NBA they get to step into take doing their vertical leap. Right,
who's going to run a faster forty Who's going to
run faster forty?
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Right? Who's going to run a faster shuttle?
Speaker 9 (42:17):
LeVar, I'm not arguing with you on that, like like
I'm just saying I just plus the pulling from all
over the world, which I think is another element this.
But it's just like, if you're talking about like the
unicorn athlete, you are not going to find another guy
like that. Like then, I think there's more of those
guys in basketball than there are football. But I wouldn't
do that. You're talking about running a forty, putting them
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bench press like football players probably win a lot of those.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Okay, listen, all right, there's there's another battle going on.
Speaker 6 (42:46):
Okay, okay, it was like.
Speaker 9 (42:50):
It was it was like dogs kid that started this,
wasn't it.
Speaker 8 (42:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yeah, Austin Rivers, Yeah yeah, he's uh yeah, he's stirring
the pot over there. But listen, Albert, we appreciate it.
We'll let you get to it.
Speaker 8 (43:03):
Uh and we'll do it.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Again next Thursday.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
There is Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
We're better athletes, period, We're better athletes.
Speaker 6 (43:14):
I wasn't trying to argue with Albert. I just thought
it'd be amazing to see.
Speaker 7 (43:18):
I want to create an NFL team and then an
NFL team create an NBA squad.
Speaker 6 (43:23):
That'd be awesome to see.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
That's the show. That's a show, that's.
Speaker 5 (43:27):
The concept like and by the way, I bet you
could get some huge money for people to put that
together and see it.
Speaker 6 (43:34):
Huge money for a game like I.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Mean, Lucas some of the stuff people pay you to
watch now.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Of course it would.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
The hard thing is it would play to the advantage
of football players because it's much more complicated to put
together offenses and defenses in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Than it is for the NBA.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
By the way, to Lebar's Foyd. I'd rather watch that
League Two.
Speaker 8 (43:57):
I really would
It is the best of two pros and a couple.
Joe with Lamar Arrington rating win and Jonas Knots on radio.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Have about those damn New York Knicks. Huh yeah, just
throwing it down at MSG.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Stars and all the boys, right, hell yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Man, you know, yeah yeah, and uh, you know, you
couldn't have an NBA playoff series without the law offices
of Bitch and Moan checking out. And apparently Rick Carlisle,
the head coach of the Indiana Pacers, is none too
(00:43):
thrilled with the officiating thus far through two games at MSG.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
After Game one, we we always go through the film
and games where it felt like, you know, the whistles
weren't balanced, and we pulled the clips and there's a
there's a you can submit them to the to the
NBA office. And so there were twenty nine plays in
game one that we thought were clearly called the wrong way.
(01:10):
I decided not not to submit them because I just
felt like, you know, we get a more balanced whistle tonight.
It didn't feel that way. I can promise you that
we're going to submit these tonight. New York can get ready.
They'll see them too. I'm always talking to our guys
about not making it about the officials, but we deserve
(01:32):
a fair shot, you know, And and it's just there's
not there's not a consistent balance, and that's disappointing. Their
their physicality is rewarded and ours is penalized to time
after time, and so small market teams deserve an equal shot,
no matter where, no matter where they're playing.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I mean, oh wow, small market team from.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
The bottom of the day. Yeah, is that what he went?
That's the way.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
It's not the the deck, that's the messaging though, because
can we be real about this, what we've all been
in the TV radio industry, we know that's the bigger
brands that drive ratings, right, we know it's the atmosphere
and msg that all the things that people want.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
To see behind the scenes. And we've heard stories about this.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
We know people who are you know in this business
who are rooting for the New York Knicks to get
there or they're rooting for the bigger market team. I mean,
probably one of the biggest disgraces is in the NFL,
which is the top sport, that the Kansas City Chiefs
are the ones that traded up took Patrick Mahomes it's
(02:40):
not the New York Jet, it's New York Giants, it's
not you know, one of those bigger, big markets, and
instead it's it's him in Kansas City.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
So you hear the stuff. But that's the truth.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
And I don't know that the officiating was quite as
bad this past game as it was in the first.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
Game, but there is a bit of a balance.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
I mean, see the Pacers get got called more for
a few more fouls and obviously go back to Game War,
there's some atrocious officiating in that one.
Speaker 7 (03:07):
So you can see a poll for the botto of
the deck. There's some truth of that though. That was
a demoralizing loss. They they should have won that game.
I mean, he can put it on the referees, but
they they should have won that game.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (03:23):
They they had the opportunity to win it. They were
playing a team that was shorthanded. Their their best player
for an entire quarter. He came back wounded and still
was was spanking them. Uh one of their other guys
and his his what hamstring his booty cheek was was
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falling off during the game.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
I mean he was hurt. I'm I'm I'm blank. Was
that o g at that.
Speaker 7 (03:53):
Yeah, yeah, there can be no you can.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
He can make it about them being a small market team.
Speaker 7 (04:00):
He can make it about the officials, and he could
be very well accurate in what he's saying. But watching
the game, they could have won the game, and they
should like complaining about what looked like a double dribble
that wasn't a double dribble. Yeah, can't be you bitching
(04:22):
and moaning about officiating being skewed towards the Knicks.
Speaker 8 (04:28):
They did the right thing. They waved the call off.
Speaker 7 (04:32):
It was like so disappointed and frustrated in the car, like, dude,
it wasn't a double dribble, Like, get over it. I mean,
come on, y'all, allow to dude, come back. His foot
is banged up. He had the Sherman clump foot and
still was crossing y'all up and putting it in the hole.
(04:52):
Like like, accept the loss and try to do something
to turn this into a series.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
To do something.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I mean, it is another layer of intrigue to the series,
because now I am curious to see I thought going
into this game that based on the complaints and the
awful calls, and I'm with Brady. I didn't think last
Night's game was as bad as Game one. The calls
late in game one the illegal screen were awful, like
they were terrible. So I thought there would be an
(05:22):
overreaction and an overcorrection by the officials, and there wasn't.
And so now after you hear Rick Kyler Carlisle go
that direction, I'm fascinated to see how this is looked
at in game three because those fans, like what Carlisle's
done is basically gas up the Indiana Pacer fans to
where they're gonna complain and rip into the refs any chance,
(05:43):
in any opportunity they get in game three. And so
I do like that he's added another layer of intrigue
to the series.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
So I was gonna say, like, you know what, i'd
the advice that I'd give these officials. You know, just
don't stand in Annapolis. Where would you go, Like I
stay somewhere outside of it. I don't know, Tera Hoot
or somewhere, you know, somewhere like.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Somewhat close French Lick maybe French maybe not far enough.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
That's all I know.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
I mean, you go look at a map right now,
Jonas LeVar, you guys picked some obscure smaller town cities
and you stay at a holiday and express, all right,
or you stay fight maybe done.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Bloomington, they got a graduate hotel down there.
Speaker 8 (06:22):
Yeah, that's a great call.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Yeah, State a graduate hotel somewhere down there. Because I
know it's a little bit of a trek, but I
don't think you're going to be treated overly well if
they find out that you're part of the NBA officiating
crew with the way this series.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Has gone so far.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
French Lick to Indiana, Indianapolis two hours, six minutes. That's
a one hundred mile drive.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
Lovely, just French Lick.
Speaker 8 (06:46):
You know, I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Good golf.
Speaker 7 (06:49):
We were being about French earlier in the week though.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Yeah, but it sounds good. That's I don't know if
it is. It sounds good though.
Speaker 7 (06:59):
You know, I'm just saying you you was, you was
holler in America earlier on this this week. You know, well, yeah,
you're welcome French Lifting, you know, for all those who.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Sacrificed and and stepped up and defended France and they
needed to.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah, they're they're welcome.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Why the hell would Fresh why how would French Lick
have good golf courses?
Speaker 6 (07:20):
Is when you're not from the Midwest.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
You asked questions like that when you grew up your
entire life in Thousand Oaks. Let me tell you, people
people say and ask questions like that because they've never
driven through the Midwest.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
They don't know how beautiful the Midwest can actually be.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Where there's great opportunities to build golf courses, have resorts,
having to have a nice little hotel or maybe a
nice little lake with a bunch of attractions around.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
There. It's coming. It's like one hundred yards away the
crazing right.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
When everybody knows that Monmouth, Illinois to.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Actually farmed the table, not like that. You know, they say, oh,
it's farmed the table. Listen, just they got bought in
a farmer's market. Let me let's put on your table.
Let me know how you can smell the farm from
the road.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, let me go ahead and put you guys up
on a little bit of game here French click to Monmouth, Illinois.
All right, everybody knows it's a straight shot on the
ice seventy four. Everybody knows that it's it's just under
a six six six hour drive and you can get
there straight on the ice.
Speaker 8 (08:17):
Seventy four.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Now if you wanted to, you know, you could take
the five the fifty nine to the seventy four, or
you could take the sixty nine to the seventy four.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
We feel like Google Maps. Are you talking about reading
them off?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Is I I can't get Wi Fi in this studio
and you know that this is all just from the Midwest.
Speaker 7 (08:37):
Or you can fly into Chicago and you know, not
make your next flight and jump into a truck and
drive to Ohio.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Do it LeVar did with Icago. Yeah, if you do
have a medical issue, just you know, take an uber
all the way from Chicago to Columbus.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
You know, there could be that God was that.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
When it was gut?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (08:56):
Man, how's that fitness?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
That under control?
Speaker 7 (08:58):
I heard nothing about it. Hey, that's what I'm saying.
So I got a mad I got me a mad boy.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Put that thing in check.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
The crazy thing about it was when you kept describing it.
I had a friend and and him and a sound
listen to our show in the morning, especially when they're
driving to drop off. But he was going through the
same thing, and I'm like, man, this sounds so similar
to what LeVar is dealing with.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
And that's why. I was like, positive it was gout.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
I mean I have no medical background, but positive based
on his account of what.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
It was that you were dealing with. Gout.
Speaker 7 (09:33):
Man, my big toe was I had to Sherman like
like how like how Brunton had the Sherman foot. I
had the Sherman clomp toe. I had the club ankle.
Oh man, I had a bruntson and didn't even play
no ball.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Oh.
Speaker 9 (09:48):
I know.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Was when you had that walk on though, it was
kind of that pipwalk, you know, you kind of had
that little lip to it, and I was like, all right,
this is kind of cool.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
Though you could play this off.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
For a while.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
I went and got a scooter right after I left
you guys, I went to the game with a scooter.
My adrenaline was going so so high when I did
the big news. My adrenaline was going so high during
the game that I was walking normal. I walked normal
during the game. As soon as the game was over,
I couldn't walk. Couldn't walk like literally couldn't put any
(10:19):
pressure on my foot.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I blame jonas well.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I mean, I just think that's what being around a
guy like Rob Stone does to you.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
It could have been the Midwest air too.
Speaker 7 (10:28):
Though possibly you know, could have to Hey, you know,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
It could have been the referees there.
Speaker 8 (10:41):
If you're from the.
Speaker 7 (10:41):
Midwell, I'm blaming the refs. You know what, my gout
outbreak refs, you suck.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
It was interesting, he said, he you know, after Game one,
which was atrocious towards the end, like he recalled, I
didn't want to blame the officials, but it is cool
to hear.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
The entire process the NBA goes through.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I mean, I remember that we.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Have that process in the NFL and we would go
through plays and they would assign coaches to submit them
in to the NFL for officiating review, and they would
come back and just be like, yeah, we got that wrong,
or now you know that this is why, this is
the rationale behind it. It's you know, somewhat subjective in
this case. So unfortunately like your you know, sol in
(11:23):
this case. But I find the process of it interesting
because there is no recourse, you're not getting the win back.
Maybe it draws attention for the officials so next time
around there are more favorable towards you, I guess. But
the real factor would be if they got demoted if
(11:43):
you find the officials you know for their inaccuracies. Now
that's to be hard to do because it's hard to
find officials as it is, but there's really no work
around outside of drawing attention to it and exactly what
you said, Jonas to get you know, everyone in Indianapolis
when they come to the Great Indiana just absolutely all
over these officials to the point where they feel the
(12:04):
pressure to if it's controversial or maybe it's it could
go either way, maybe they're actually calling it in the
direction of the pacers.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
It's but you can see this in every sport that
there are, like who's a Angel Hernandez and baseball the
guys notoriously one of the worst umpires in baseball and
just still doing it like you hear it from everybody.
Guys awful, Like you know, Cowboy Joe West was bad
for years. He would get into altercations with players and
(12:32):
managers all the time over awful calls. Nothing was done
of it, and it's almost like there's this immunity that
you get when you're an official in sports to where
they're like, listen, we trust as long as you get
like ninety five percent of the calls, right, you're fine.
That's a passing grade. Even though you'll butcher a call
on the biggest stage, in the biggest moment, you don't
hear anything about it. And also to Rick Carlile when
(12:53):
he says, I found twenty nine calls or whatever he
found in game one that I was going to report
to the league, Why did you like it's the playoffs, Like,
if it's that important to you, you should have reported
it and and done something about it. But maybe he's
at the point to where he says, look, I don't
I don't know what we can do. He thought it
was going to correct itself. It didn't, and now they're
down to zero in a hole. But you know, and
(13:15):
Anobi's injured. Obviously they've dealt with injuries. You know, Thibodeau's
got those guys playing forty eight I think it was
Josh Hard who said after the game, like, it doesn't
matter what the injury is, I'm playing forty eight minutes
every game anyway, So you know, it's we'll get to
see what happens in Game three.
Speaker 8 (13:31):
For those Indiana Pacers.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I mean, the good news is, you know, if you
crap yourselves in this series, and you get wiped out
in four games. At least Caitlyn Clark's in town to
save the day. So Indiana basketball is gonna be fine.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Talk about that. Talk about what the whole Caitlyn Clark thing.
Speaker 8 (13:49):
Listen, what thing?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
You know?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Like this guy, you gotta be careful.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Whoa, oh, whoa, I don't never mind.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah, just you know, Wow, you're talking about the the
met gala met Gala dress.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Oh wow, No, I wasn't no, oh wow.
Speaker 7 (14:11):
So yeah, acting like a b Now that's that's a bit.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I'll just say this right now.
Speaker 8 (14:17):
I'll just say this, Antonio Brown.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Had he dropped that at the roast, that might have
been right to the top of the list on what
everybody was talking about afterwards. You know what he went
to on social media. That was at least he at
least he stuck to his guns there. You know, he
really uh really doubled down and everything.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
So I think he likes her.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
I think he's trying to like it's like that old
school when he loves her. But when the kids are young, though,
you know how like your daughter comes home.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
Like, oh, daddy, like some little boy like tack me
in the ship or.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Something, I'm like, well, that just means he likes you.
Like he doesn't know how to describe it or explain it.
That just means he likes you. I think there's some
those tactics there a little bit.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah, makes sense. I mean Antonio Brown, Caitlin Clark, LeVar Arrington,
Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox, We're all going to be here.
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Speaker 2 (15:54):
Joe Burrow is thinking about the eighteen game schedule in
the NFL. The possibility of that, and he threw out
an eye idea because you know, the hinting is that
there's going to be two bye weeks. This will probably
be coming up here within the next couple of years
when the NFL tries to really get this done. Joe
Burrow said, listen, you get your standard bye week. But
he did have an idea on the tail end of
this quote about what to do with the second bye
(16:15):
week now, But you guys, this sounds like a terrible idea.
Speaker 11 (16:19):
You know, eighteen games is definitely a big ask. That's
that's not easy adding that extra game. Obviously it'd be
great for revenue, but I feel like adding that bye week,
if you're going to have the eighteen games schedule, is
pretty critical for our bodies because if you keep that
first bye week and then you know, some teams have
the bye week five, week six, and then you're going
twelve thirteen games in a row, that's that's not easy.
(16:41):
Probably a Thursday night game thrown in there too.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
So that's that's never easy.
Speaker 11 (16:45):
So those two buys are pretty critical. Maybe you could
do something like the first buys kind of how we
have it now, and the second by everybody has it
at once, and you make it like the Pro Bowl
week or something like a like an All Star break
for the NBA. I don't know, We'll see how it
plays out.
Speaker 8 (17:00):
What do you guys think Pro Bowl week?
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Second by of the season, bodies torn up, Let's go
hang out for a week during the Pro Bowl instead
of going to be with our families.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
What do you think that ain't gonna work? I mean,
it doesn't matter where you put the Pro Bowl. The
days of the Pro Bowl that LeVar was in an experience,
those are gone. I don't think you're ever going to
see those again. So I don't know why we keep
trying to make it or bring it back, because there's
(17:30):
too much money at risk. There's too much at risk
for the players, even the teams for that matter. And
there's not gonna be a focus on it. If it's
in the middle of the season, if it's after the season,
before the Super Bowl, there's just there's not a sense
of seriousness to it. So no matter how you go
about doing it, you're never gonna get what LeVar was
a part of. My only thoughter idea would be you
(17:55):
try to make this Senior Bowl a bigger event, a
big event for scouting for teams, but you sell it
as the future stars of tomorrow and you get as
many great college football players blow it out.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
Have it in.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
It could be in the super Bowl city, right, It
could be in the city that they're designating for the
super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
You could have it there during that off week.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
And that would be kind of the precursor to the Draft,
to the Combine, to all of that for a lot
of NFL fans who, yes, the biggest game of the
season is staring them dead in the eyes. But that's
for two teams. You also have thirty other teams who
are out of it and they're already thinking about the Draft,
they're thinking about the Combine, they're thinking about these things.
So instead of having it in Mobile, and I know
that's gonna really be crushing to Mobile's local economy and
(18:42):
they're gonna hate me saying this. Jim Naga, I'm sure
hates me saying this, But that is the tweak that
I think you could get more engagement and potentially more people,
you know, have more eyes on to be a part
of an event like that.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Since you're selling the.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Futures of tomorrow of today in the NFL, I don't know,
correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
For you played in it.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
You were there three times. It's a great experience. But
I just I can't imagine guys gonna want to play
in it. I like the idea of it. I mean,
you got all these opt outs. Let's let's take it
a step further. Why not make it an All American
game and take the best players from college? I like that,
and do a game, yeah, see the best players, like
(19:26):
the All American team that's chosen, have them play a
game during like, announce the Pro Bowlers because and do
it during the bye week, like like, I love that,
but do it during the bye week.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
So it's a part of the NFL. But it's not
the NFL. You announce the the Pro Bowlers. The Pro
Bowlers are in attendance, and or maybe they're not, who knows.
But you turn it into a spectacle for the NFL.
But it it dovetails into kinda or it touches into
(20:01):
the college space. I think that would be crazy too,
because them dudes will be balling.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
They would be balling.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Because basically, the Pro Bowl as it exists kind of
a waste of time.
Speaker 8 (20:10):
So at least make something out of it.
Speaker 7 (20:12):
Right, Yeah, it's almost kind of you're making a mockery
of what it was. Where it's at right now, it's
a mockery of what it was. I'd rather not see
it at all. And you just say, this used to be,
this is where the Pro Bowl used to be, Like,
do something like that, announce the team, here's where when
we used to have the Pro Bowl, you know, show
(20:34):
some highlights from past Pro Bowls and former players and
move on from it, because what it is now it's
just I don't it's shenanigans.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Well let's be clear too.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
There came a point in time where it's gotten to
the point where the alternates that it's not as creative
the honor as it used to be. And I'm not
saying that any derogatory way to anyone who's made it,
even as an alternate.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
But when you guys were playing LeVar, it's like everyone
played like there weren't two is really opted out?
Speaker 6 (21:04):
It was. It was different. It was like what it was.
Speaker 7 (21:07):
Designed to be, Like the Brett Farves, like guys like that,
they you know, they would opt out, like some of
the bigger names or older guys, they would opt out.
But for the most part, man, everybody was trying to
go like that was. That was outside of the super Bowl.
(21:27):
That was like got to make the Pro Bowl. It's
like super Bowl, got to make super Bowl first, trund
make super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
If we're not making the super.
Speaker 7 (21:35):
Bowl, I got to make this Pro Bowl like that was,
and you wanted to play in it, like I can
recall working out like it was in season as the
season was was ending because you were going to play
in the playing the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
So you know, I don't know it.
Speaker 7 (21:52):
It isn't the same, And you know that's.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
Can I be honest to you.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
I think the NFL is really the person to blame
the most, and I hope everyone understands this. When they
left and stop going to a why thank you, they
changed the entire dynamic of what that trip was for
the players where I mean, I remember when dudes be going,
they'd be like asking you, Hey, you're like what we'll
pay for you to come out? You want to come
out to you know, I'm bringing so and so, like
come on out. Like they were like paying for everyone
(22:22):
to go, like not only their family, like they'd be
paying for everyone, like the whole crew. And I looked
at it, I was like, man, think about how much
great of an honor that is. And what I was
always thought in the back of my head was the
players who were getting incentives and they're getting paid to go,
but they're probably not even making money.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
They might be losing money when it's all said and done.
This trip is so.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Expensive and the NFL is probably losing money because this
trip is so expensive for all involved, and there's not
as much attention or focus.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
On all that.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
And I think the business model is what killed it.
And I mean, look, I'll be transparent. After going overseas
to London, which you know, witnessing a football matches, they
would call it watching soccer over there, I do get
concerned about the element of like capitalism coming into some
(23:11):
of these leagues and just thinking, oh, we just throw
a bunch of money, we're goen.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
I tried to drive drive revenue, drive revenue.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Drive revenue.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
There's some things that aren't about money. And that's the
problem is like sometimes you know, when you have a
special event like that, you're not always gonna be able
to maximize your profits. You might be able to make
a little bit, but it's an honor to your players
it's an honor to like the coaches and people around
and had probably a great trip.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
For even some of the folks who are in the
NFL that are working.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
It as a bit of a work slash vacation because
it's more laid back, but it was an honor and
so a lot of times, like a profit doesn't come
with that. And the problem is because they got so
focused on trying to make it more profitable and this
and that it lost its luster. It lost the allure
of what it is. And now you don't go to Hawaii.
Now you don't got you know, have guys, the best
(24:01):
guys going, and now they're opting out.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
Now there's not even really a game. And I think
it had a lot to do with that.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
And look, I compared to the soccer game, because there's
this element of just you know, fans, it doesn't matter
where the backgrounds you come from. In fact, some of
the closest seats to the field, to the pitches, they
would say are not necessarily the cheapest, but they're much
more affordable. And they're made that way because those are
going to be the most rackets fans. Those are going
(24:29):
to be the fans that the ones they're like keeping
back with security and barricades, or when there's a goal scored,
people go nuts and they're trying to run on the field,
and that's how it should be. Like I kind of
hate the way stadiums are are made nowadays.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Where it's like you don't get that anymore.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
It's like the people who are the most rowdy, most
loyal fans sometimes in the nosebleeds. So I know, I'm
gone my soapbox going off on a tangent on this,
but I think that's the blame for the death of
the Pro Bowl and really like many other things as
far as like how we see the shape of sports
and what they're becoming right now.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Gotta get back to Wahoo, baby, Gotta get back there.
It's not there anymore, I know, but you gotta get
back there.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
Yeah, literally might step on a nail if you go
back now.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Man, it's not there anymore.
Speaker 8 (25:11):
A heartbreaker.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
You know what's sad too, is you know Jonas used
to talk a lot LaVar about Kona Beer. Now he
never talks about them, you know, Big Wave.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
He used to give them the shout out if they
give me more back for recitaling.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
I would never talks about them anymore.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, listen, I mean they can happen.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
I mean, look, if.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
You're all cans mate the same, I.
Speaker 8 (25:31):
Don't know which one is you talking about. I'm just
I'm trying to get to the bottom of this stuff.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Look I figured out in the middle of my laugh.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
I was laughing because I was laughing, and then I
figured out what you said, and then it and then
it became a different leg.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yeah, I mean that's it became funny.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
It's a whole nother, whole other discussion. But yeah, listen
to you know, I still dabble, kinder, fine, still dabble.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
But the answer is no.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Look, if you're if you're a sponsor of this show,
you get a preferential treatment here on this show. And
you know, as soon as they want to jump in
and jump on board and join the party, yeah we
can have that discussion. But until then, you know, keep
quiet on that stuff.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Now we welcome in our guy, Albert Breer, Senior, NFL
reporter lead content strategist.
Speaker 8 (26:27):
At the MMQB.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
You can get him on Twitter or x at Albert
Breer ab Happy Thursday.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
How we feeling, Hey, guys, what's happening.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
We're trying to get to the bottom of this.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Did the Raiders decide on brock Bauers over Terry and
Arnold via a coin flip or not? Can you clear
this up, Forest, please, because that's the club from.
Speaker 9 (26:45):
Tyn oh, but not that I know of. But that's
a fun story, and that would look really really bad
if Terry and Arnold wound up becoming like all pro
and and brock Powers didn't become much. So, you know,
I I know the Raiders had an interest in Michael
Pennix and you know, had to pivot a little bit
when he came to the board surprisingly enough at number
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eight overall. And you know, I do think that, you know,
like brought Bowers was sort of I think like an
ideal fit for the Raiders too, and that that that
was part of it, you know, is that I think
one of the things from Bowers is unique and and
and and prolific of college player as he was, You're
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gonna need a plan for him in the NFL, and
I know how much the Raiders think of Michael Meyer
as like the traditional in line tight end. And the
thing is, you need one of those sorts of type
to really get the most out of Bowers if you're
gonna move them around and do all the things you
want to do with them, as like a move type
of tight end, like a Shannon Sharp type of tight end.
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So I think he went to the ideal place to
to get the most out of him. Obviously they got
to get the quarterback things sorted out with Carter Minshew
and Aidan O'Connell and all those guys, But I didn't
get any in the tom Ti Lasco or Antoni appears
for flip of a coin.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
Am I do want to ask you this question.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
Have you ever heard of another time in the history
of the NFL where there was a coin flip that
didn't involve a kickoff? You know, it is maybe a
part of a decision made by a coaching staff.
Speaker 9 (28:16):
Well, there have been, I mean, there have been the
ones for draft picks, right like I know, like there
are when the tiebreakers are exhausted. There have been a
couple I can't remember who it was, but there were
a couple of the combine where I think one year
it was like who's going to pick seventh and who's
going to pick eights? And they legitimately had like all
the different tiebreakers have been exhausted, you know, you got
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to get bucked at ninth tiebreaker or whatever to the
coin flote. But I'm not I'm probably not like leaning
into whatever your joke's about to be there.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
Brady, Okay, I no, worse.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
I wasn't sure if there was like maybe a preseason
game where a head coach who had a quarterback battle
had to decide between two quarterbacks.
Speaker 9 (28:54):
Now I didn't know. I know we were opening old
wounds here, keep going.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I mean, listen, I just had heard a story that
Lovey Smith was deciding on Rex Grossman and Kyle Orton
to start preseason games back in the day, and he
flipped a coin.
Speaker 8 (29:06):
That's what I had heard.
Speaker 9 (29:08):
I guess that's a fair way to decide it, right,
Nobody can pitch about that, Nope.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Yeah, although Jonas has told this story probably twenty seven
times over the time we've worked together.
Speaker 8 (29:16):
First time, if.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
You're privy to that story that we're pretty sure it's
made up.
Speaker 9 (29:20):
At this point, I wasn't. I guess love you could
say you could take it up with the quarter, right,
like yeah, yeah, if you have a problem with it, yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Point, I feel like should I ask a serious question?
Should rolling? I don't know, Like I felt like this
might be.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
Petros like they aby you've graduated to Petros Papa Daykins level.
I did want to ask about just kind of the
follow up on any any type of developments with the
Rashi Rashee Rice situation.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Where does that stand?
Speaker 9 (30:00):
Yeah, well, I mean I'll start here before any of
the stuff happened. You know, earlier this week, there was
an expectation on the Chiefs parts the guy was going
to be suspended, and you know, like they didn't think
he was. They don't think he's a bad guy, but
they felt like he had a lot of growing up
to do. And the hope was that just the I
(30:20):
mean the outright stupidity of the previous incident, where I
mean you're walking away from a pretty major car accident
after allegedly drag racing like that would kind of think
in like, hey, you've got a real future here. You like,
if you screw this up, you could be costing yourself
millions and millions and millions of dollars. And obviously it
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sure looks like that whatever that lesson the Chiefs were
hoping that Rice would learn did not sink in.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
And so.
Speaker 9 (30:52):
Now I think that, like, you know, if you're the Chiefs,
you got to go forward and just almost operate as
if you know, we're not going to have Roshie Rice
for an extended period of time to begin the season. Now,
you know, we'll see how long it takes for these
things to go to the court. And we know the
NFL doesn't like to you sort of jump the line
when it comes to discipline, you know, and get in
front of the law enforcement. But for a guy who
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had a little bit of a reputation coming out of college,
this is not a good start to his first off season.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
As a pro.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Get him on Twitter at Albert Breers, Senior NFL reporter,
lead content strategist at the MMQB. Joining us here on
Fox Sports Radio, Abe, we're playing the sound from Joe
Burrow talking about his recovery from the risk issue and
just talking about it was the most difficult time in
his life and so on and so forth, and we
took it. It came across that he was concerned that
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maybe this was a little bit different than some of
the other injuries he had dealt with. From people you've
talked to, is there some legit concern about what he
could look like moving forward and how this injury is
going to pan out for Yeah.
Speaker 9 (32:00):
We'll just start here, Jonas you know, and and and
Brady can probably appreciate this. I I have learned in
my years covering the NFL to never downplay an injury
to a quarterback's shoulder, his elbow, his wrist, his hand.
Like I just I've learned over time, like you know,
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and seeing people downplay those those sorts of things where
they can loom large on a guy's career, you know,
So I think anything that has to do with any
of those parts of a quarterbacks arm and I'm sorry
for the soundtrack, right, Yeah, the gunner gunner has returned.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
To the radio.
Speaker 9 (32:43):
Uh so. Uh So, like I I've learned, I've learned
never to downplay those sorts of those sorts of injuries
for a quarterback. Uh there's also a lack of history
with this injury for quarterbacks, you know, Joe said in himself.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Like what is the injury Albert I'm sorry to cut
you off, but.
Speaker 9 (33:03):
I don't know, you burbage. It's a torn ligament in
his wrist, and there's there's there's actual verbiage for it.
You know, some of the some of the doctors on
on social media have broken it down, but it's an
injury that they've seen an offensive lineman and defensive linemen
and linebackers, and you've seen those guys come back from it.
But there's just not a lot of history of quarterbacks
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suffering this injury, which is I think where some of
the uncertainty comes in because you know, obviously Joe's again
Joe said it himself, like you know, alignment or a
linebacker doesn't need the same sort of mobility and his
risk that a quarterback does to do his job. So
I'd say there's a fair amount of concern there. And
then you know, like there's just the fact that like
for Joe, I'm sure you know, Joe's brutally honest about
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this stuff and he doesn't doesn't doesn't mind like opening
a opening a vein when it comes to this stuff.
But I mean, he hasn't had a normal off season
as a pro yet, you know, so twenty twenty one
is coming back off the ACL and twenty twenty two
yet attend the site. Is that cost him most of
the training camp? And then last year he had the
calf injury, you know, during camp. So I'm sure there's
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some level of frustration for Joe two with just the
accumulation of injuries, which you know obviously have surrounded a
lot of really really high level quarterback play.
Speaker 7 (34:19):
Is the time to do away with the Rooney uh,
the Rooney rule?
Speaker 9 (34:25):
I think you're referencing the Patriots situation right where they
have where they have two candidates in them the same day.
They don't do the interview in Foxboro at the stadium,
they do the interview at Boston, which raises the question,
are you just doing it close to the airport so
you can get these guys in and out check the box? Yeah,
I think there's you know, LeVar, I think that they're
(34:47):
I don't know, like I just like I think that
there is I think that there's a way, there's got
to be a way where we can change this, right
and like, you know, like there's a difference between promoting
somebody from within and hiring somebody from the outside. There's
even a difference between like hiring somebody like Jim Harbaugh
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and say hiring like a first time head coach like
a Shane Steichen or a Brian Callahan, right, Like, there's
a difference between those things. And I don't know if
it's like, okay, like if you have a target and
you know you're going to hire this one guy at
the beginning of the process, do you create like an
exclusive negotiating window where you can't talk to anybody else
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and you have a chance to close a deal with
the guy and you know, maybe you aren't subject to
the roomy rule. Then I don't know what it is,
what it would be, but you know, there's got to
be I think there's got to be a smart way
to do this, you know. And again like I don't
have all the answers on that, but I feel like
there's there's enough smart people in that room and those
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rooms to figure that out.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
You know.
Speaker 9 (35:52):
It's just you know, you like and I don't mind
like the guys going and doing the interviews either, because
I do think from a networking perspective, getting an owner
to know you getting the interview repped, Like, I don't
think that there's any there's any like huge downside to
going and doing it, you know, but clearly, you know,
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like with in these sorts of situations, there is I
think something a little bit broken about the running rules
the way of.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Stan Albert Breer joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. ABE,
the NFL does a pretty good job of sort of
laying out and having a roadmap towards big events, you know,
off season, you know where we're.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
Going to go.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
We're going to Brazil, We're going to London for these games,
all this stuff. Yet it seems like there's always like
this sort of it's kind of around this time when
it comes to the schedule release. Why isn't it, as
I guess, more an easier situation for them to plan
for our I guess, an easier situation for them to
promote and let people know definitively it's going to be
(36:56):
on this state at this time. That's when we're launching
it as a opposed to us seeing some reports from
Sports Business journal saying, yeah, we're hearing that it's going
to be next Wednesday at eight pm Eastern time. It
usually feels like the NFL's got this stuff planned out
further in advance. Why is it different with the schedule release.
Speaker 9 (37:14):
Because there are a lot of hands in the pot,
and there are a lot of competing interests, and there
is a lot of money to be made and lost
on these things. And honestly, I think, you know, like
Mike Flurio wrote about it, like I think the Christmas
Day stuff is part of it. You know, Like, so
they're trying to maximize what they can get in pulling
games back and pulling games off of Sunday and putting
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them on a Wednesday, which happens to be Christmas Day.
And then if they're going to do that and go
to the trouble of doing that, well then all right,
Like so now you know, we got to make the
most money we possibly can off of it. So are
we getting the number that we want? And then you
know there's a matter of the teams involved too. It's
like ostensibly these aren't going to be bad teams. They're
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going to put those windows, you know, And if you're
one of these teams, is that means like a you're
taxing your entire operation, not just your players and coaches,
your entire operation on a major holiday, right, And like
if you're a team that's had you know, this sort
of thing done to them over the last couple of years.
You're not going to want to do that again. There
are only so many people you can ask. On top
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of that, there's a competitive aspect to it, right where
those are week fifteen, sixteen, and seventeen of the season.
Those teams are going to have to play Sunday, Saturday,
and then Wednesday like that deep into the season, right,
So that's two short weeks, consecutive short weeks. It's a
lot to ask of any team. And so how do
you find the right teams to do that with? And
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you remember those teams have to match up now, so
they're all playing the previous Wednesday, which means they've got
to be playing each other the previous Wednesday. It's it's
I think the Christmas Day thing has complicated this. It's
always complicated by all the competing interests, both competitive interests
and financial interests. And I think it's you know, the
NFL creating the problem for itself because they have decided
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to go in so many different directions with the schedule
and stretch things, so like like just stretch everybody so
tend in so many different ways. So yeah, it's it's interesting,
you know. I mean, we'll get the schedule on Wednesday.
But certainly it's become more and more complicated as the
NFL is focused more and more on on trying to
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montite every single element of it.
Speaker 6 (39:26):
Albert thirty seconds. Just give me a little bit of
a quick take for the NBA NFL debate.
Speaker 9 (39:33):
The m oh I here's what I would say. I
would say the numbers favor the NFL side of it.
I don't know where you're going to find your lineman
in your and your your your linebackers, you know, from
the NBA, Whereas like if you're talking about NFL going
to NBA, you just got to find five guys, right Like,
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so I think it's a little more complicated filling out
a football roster. Now that said, I do think like
if you were just ranking like the top five raw athletes,
like the best, like the most gifted athletes is probably
the basketball players.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
Why Albert, I would what is that based off of?
Speaker 12 (40:15):
I would ye see though, I would love to see
the best of the NBA and they take off, they
try to, you know, create a football team all right,
leven on defense, leven on offense, and have us do
a five all five.
Speaker 6 (40:28):
Basketball game too, we'll see who wins that.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Let's do a combine the NFL. Let's do a combine.
Speaker 9 (40:37):
Agreeing with you, I think there's no question, Like I
think I think football players, football players would would fare
better play basketball player basketball against basketball players and the
other way around, no questions. They're like talking about the
greatest athletes, like don't you think Look, Lebron James is
a complete uniform right, like there are no one else?
Speaker 7 (40:57):
But what what makes him a better athlete than the
better athlete in football?
Speaker 6 (41:01):
Calvin Johnson's not far off.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
I'm with you, Albert right right through the NFL.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
There's one hundred lebrons. There's a thousand lebrons in the
in the NFL.
Speaker 9 (41:14):
Now that's not true either, one.
Speaker 7 (41:16):
Hundred, one hundred percent, and one of them is playing
offensive line or playing tight end, or playing linebacker, playing safety.
Speaker 9 (41:24):
But I'm I'm I'm with you. I'm with you. I
think that there's no question.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
I'm just being.
Speaker 9 (41:31):
Players would be more competitive playing against basketball players in
a basketball game, the other way around, no question about it.
Speaker 7 (41:37):
I want to see a combine with NBA players and
NFL players because I would love so it's so easy
for people to say that these guys they're they're they
are aliens, they're the only thing that makes them unique
is that they're tall.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
That's it. That's it. Our verticals, our verticals are high
like and they get to take steps. We don't even
get to take steps.
Speaker 7 (41:59):
I don't know people know that when you're when you're
measuring an NBA vertical versus an NFL, we get no steps.
NBA they get to step into take doing their vertical leap. Right,
who's going to run a faster forty Who's going to
run faster forty?
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Right? Who's going to run a faster shuttle?
Speaker 9 (42:17):
LeVar, I'm not arguing with you on that, like like
I'm just saying I just plus the pulling from all
over the world, which I think is another element this.
But it's just like, if you're talking about like the
unicorn athlete, you are not going to find another guy
like that. Like then, I think there's more of those
guys in basketball than there are football. But I wouldn't
do that. You're talking about running a forty, putting them
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bench press like football players probably win a lot of those.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Okay, listen, all right, there's there's another battle going on.
Speaker 6 (42:46):
Okay, okay, it was like.
Speaker 9 (42:50):
It was it was like dogs kid that started this,
wasn't it.
Speaker 8 (42:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yeah, Austin Rivers, Yeah yeah, he's uh yeah, he's stirring
the pot over there. But listen, Albert, we appreciate it.
We'll let you get to it.
Speaker 8 (43:03):
Uh and we'll do it.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
Again next Thursday.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
There is Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
We're better athletes, period, We're better athletes.
Speaker 6 (43:14):
I wasn't trying to argue with Albert. I just thought
it'd be amazing to see.
Speaker 7 (43:18):
I want to create an NFL team and then an
NFL team create an NBA squad.
Speaker 6 (43:23):
That'd be awesome to see.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
That's the show. That's a show, that's.
Speaker 5 (43:27):
The concept like and by the way, I bet you
could get some huge money for people to put that
together and see it.
Speaker 6 (43:34):
Huge money for a game like I.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Mean, Lucas some of the stuff people pay you to
watch now.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Of course it would.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
The hard thing is it would play to the advantage
of football players because it's much more complicated to put
together offenses and defenses in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Than it is for the NBA.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
By the way, to Lebar's Foyd. I'd rather watch that
League Two.
Speaker 8 (43:57):
I really would
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