Bracket Buster Douglas

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right now are either a little bit giddy over the
possibility that your team, which you believed in back of
your mind had absolutely no chance to advance very far
into the n C Double A Tournament, is still alive,
or many of you are, like me, crestfallen because the
team that you believed was good enough to make a

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run in the tournament is gone, and it is likely that,
no matter which side of that equation you are on,
your bracket is a disaster and looks like a crime
scene with all of the xout teams, because my god,
we have got one of the most wide open brackets,

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certainly in the history of the n C Double A tournament.
And that's particularly the case if you'll look on the
side with the South Region in it, where everybody has
managed to lose that had any kind of high level
success rate predicted when this tournament began. And so as

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we come down the stretch, I believe if you look
in the South Region, Kentucky has basically a layup line
to the final four. They're playing in Atlanta. They will
get to go up against Kansas State, and then they'll
get to go up against the winner of Loyola of
Chicago and Nevada, and one of those two teams, Loyola

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of Chicago or Nevada, will be in the Elite eight
playing for a chance to go to the final four.
That's the South Region where I think that Kentucky Wildcats
are in great shape. And then in the West, which
is also pretty wide open and would be even more
wide open if Michigan hadn't drained the late shot on

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Saturday night that they did to eliminate Houston. I'm sorry,
Houston Cougar fans, but you've got Gonzaga going up against
who is up there with them, Florida State. I don't
think anybody foresaw that was gonna happen. One of those
teams will be in the Elite eight. Bottom side, you've
got Michigan going up again, Texas A and m who

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suddenly has gotten hot and uh and those teams are
all in the Sweet sixteen. So there is a good
shot that even in the final four, we're gonna see
a matchup of something like Kentucky and Michigan, which I
don't think most people would have predicted when they came
into brackets. On the other side, I think what we
got is Villanova, who probably has been the most impressive

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team so far in the tournament, going up against eventually,
I believe Duke, who has probably been the second most
impressive team in the tournament. Blue Devils only have to
beat Syracuse, an eleven seed play in winner, in order
to advance to the lead eight. I know anybody can
beat anybody in the n C Double A tournament if

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we've seen this year, but Duke seems like they're in
pretty comfy spot there Nova's got a tough game against
West Virginia. That was the late game for many of you,
by the way, not very kind of the n C
Double A tournament. At least the game ended up not
being close. But why are we arting a East Coast
matchup between West Virginia and Marshall at nearly ten o'clock

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Eastern on Sunday night? That doesn't seem to make very
much sense. Uh. And then certainly we'll see what ends
up transpiring perdue as a weekend team with with injuries
Texas Tech. Uh, we'll see so much to get to
as we unpack everything that was in the n C
Double A Tournament. I was fortunate I was out in

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Las Vegas and I got to watch every game on
Thursday and Friday, and I got to be in the
in the sports book for the ending of Virginia and
University of Maryland Baltimore County, which is historic moment. I
think that most of us out there will kind of

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put into our roster of memorable moments in sports where
we remember where we were when it happened. Because hundred
and thirty five and oh of number one's versus number
sixteens suddenly became a hundred and thirty five and one,
which leads me to our poll question UH for the day,

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which I think is a is an intriguing one, and
I'll ask the crew this, but I also want your opinion.
Eight seven seven nine six six three six nine. What's
the biggest upset you've seen in your lives? And to me,
when I watched U NBC beat Virginia and that game

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went final, it became I think one of the top
two biggest upsets that I can remember in my life.
Now I'm thirty eight years old. Some of you listening
early this morning are too young to even remember this.
But to me, the biggest upset I have ever seen
in my life as a sports fan was Buster Douglas

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beating Mike Tyson. Now this back in if you're my
age or older, you probably have a pretty solid recollection
of what Mike Tyson meant to boxing. He was the
last great boxer in terms of he was for boxing

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what Tiger Woods is what has been for golf. There
are a lot of people who didn't care at all
about boxing that when Mike Tyson was about to fight,
you stopped everything you were gonna do and paid attention
to Mike Tyson, kid Dynamite, knocked everybody out, came into
the ring in those leather black shorts. A lot of

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times the dude walked into the ring. Everybody now wants
to be all adorned and worked up. They got their
robe on, they got their music planned. Mike Tyson would
walk in to the ring in black leather shorts and
black leather lace up shoes with just a towel with
a hole in the head and he just throw it

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over his head. And this dude would walk in and
he would knock people out like nobody's business. And you
had to be there at the opening moments of the
bell because you had no idea what might happen. He
and then he went off to prison, and when he
came back, he was never the same thing. But he
was still such a must see guy that he ended

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up biting the dudes a year off. Some of you
who haven't paid attention or you're young, need to go
back and start watching the Mike Tyson YouTube's and everything
else to see what you missed, To see some of
the punches that he could deliver, to see how violent
and a inspiring he was in the ring. Well, back

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in I was eleven years old and Mike Tyson went
over to Tokyo to fight a guy named James Buster
Douglas that nobody had ever heard of before. And it
was the middle of the night fight. I think it
was like, I don't remember the exact time of day,
but almost all of us woke up the next morning

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and found out very few people were watching it live.
It was the middle of the night fight. Almost all
of us woke up the next morning and suddenly found
out out that the baddest heavyweight champion of all time
had lost. And I still remember how crushed I was
to hear that Mike Tyson lost, because he had appeared

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to be invincible. And it wasn't just that Mike Tyson lost,
it was that he lost to a guy that nobody
had heard of, and that not only did he lose,
he got knocked out, I believe, in the eighth round.
And so when I saw Virginia lose, I immediately thought

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to myself, this beat down is up there with what
happened to Mike Tyson in terms of its shocking nous.
And you know what was interesting about being in the
sports book when all this happened was U NBC. I
think most of us thought if a sixteen seed ever

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beats a one seed, it'll be a tight game. Last
second jumper, that's what's going to eliminate a one seed.
But U NBC came roaring in and one by twenty
and so you can go find my Twitter feed at
Clay Travis top of the line. You can see the
video that I put out on periscope in the immediate

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aftermath of that game from the Vegas Sports Book, and
it was almost like everybody was stunned over what they
had just seen. There wasn't some sort of mass reaction
from people because we had time to get used to it,
but it was just overall shocking that it had happened. Now,

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some of you out there watched my periscopes and some
of these videos that we do. On Wednesday night in
my hotel room in Vegas, I had a couple of
different gambling people on with me, Teddy Covers at Teddy
Underscore Covers and Kelly in Vegas at Kelly in Vegas,
both gamblers, and I said that Teddy as part of
that discussion because we were contemplating the line being fairly

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low for Kansas against Penn, I said, how many years
do you think it will take a one seed to
lose to a sixteen seed? And Teddy Covers set the
line with me at twenty years. It turned out it
was two days. Just an absolutely phenomenal must see weekend

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of college basketball. And so our poll question that is
up right now for all of you, and I'm gonna
pin it to the top of my page. You can
find it there. I'm pinning it to my profile right
now so all of you can go find this poll question,
what is the bigger upset? Buster Douglas over Mike Tyson

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back in n what I believe was the biggest upset
that I have ever seen in the world of sports,
or Maryland Baltimore County over u v A. Six thousand
of you have voted. I want you to continue to
roll in and punch an equation here. I'm curious with

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the Early Morning crew. I put this up late last
night about midnight East Coast, and so far u NBC
over u v A is winning big. But I'm not
sure if that's just a function of my audience being young.
I wonder how many people out there right now are
hearing me talk about Mike Tyson versus Buster Douglas, and

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you literally were so young you have no recollection of it.
Many of you may not have even been born. I
think there is a tendency to overrate and overvalue events
that have just happened and not be able to put
them in their proper historical context. This is certainly an

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issue in the world of serious facts and figures that
goes on right now too. All you young uns out
there think that what's going on with Donald Trump? Now,
you're like, oh my god, we're all gonna die. This
is the most unbelievable time in the history of our nation.
And a lot of you out there who are older
sitting around saying chill. I went to war in Vietnam, kid.

(12:35):
I walked around with a machine gun when Robert Kennedy
and Martin Luther King Jr. Were getting killed in the
nineteen presidential election and the cities in America were burning
over riots. Donald Trump ain't nothing. But for people who
were born in Donald Trump is terrifying to them. The

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country seems so divided. I did. It's important to have
a historical context, and that's the one that I went to. Now,
some of you are older than me, and you're probably
sitting around saying, Mike Tyson, Buster, Douglas Clay, what about
u v A versus shamanad back too young? Don't remember
one of the biggest upsets that you can remember. And

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how does you NBC over you in uv A rank
in that larger context. That's our pole question. I'll open
up the phone lines eight, seven, seven, six, three six nine.
We don't have a single guest scheduled today much to
contemplate and discuss about the weekend that was in the
n C Double A Tournament. And oh, by the way,

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I feel your city of Cincinnati. You roll into my
hometown of Nashville. Cincinnati's got a two seed, You're up
over twenty. Xavier's got a one seed, You're up over ten.
Everything is looking great in the Queen City there, and
then the rug gets completely pulled out from underneath both teams.

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Before all is said and done, Cincinnati with one of
the biggest collapses in the history of the n C
Double A tournament, blowing a twenty two point lead with
eleven minutes to go. And then Xavier storms back and says, hey,
whatever you can do, buddy, we can do as well.
And I believe loses a twelve point lead with about

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six minutes to go. Brutal day in Cincinnati, bringing back
all the memories of the Pittsburgh Steelers playoff game in
the Queen City. Who's crushed the most? We've probably got
some voicemails that Jason Martin can run through, but I'll
bring in the crew when we get back. I'll take
your calls biggest upset? Do you agree with me? If

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you are old enough to remember that Tyson over losing
to Buster Douglas to me, biggest sports updebt upset of
my life. I'm gonna slot U v A against u
NBC in at number two on my list? What other
ones am I missing? Do you have an argument for

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another biggest upset of your sporting life? And unpacking all
that has happened in the n C Double A Tournament.
We got a loaded show, loaded reactions from all of you.
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I gotta tell you this. Nineties seven year old Nune
the sister Jean, I I think I hate her. Um
and uh, that's a reaction to how brutal it was

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to see what this sounded like. I was on a
plane and I got off traveling back from Las Vegas.
Got off with about three minutes to play in the
Tennessee Loyola game. Walked down the terminal, big, huge, giant
screen television there. Everybody has gathered around to watch the

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end of the Tennessee Loyola game. Tennessee scores to go
up one point. Then there's a review on a pass
that it's hard to tell who exactly hand it went
off ten seconds left. And this is what it sounded

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like if you were unfortunate and off to be in
this situation that I was rooting for the University of
Tennessee bracket wide open in the South Region. All you
needed was one stop and the guy rises up for
a jump shot, hits the front of the rim and

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it sounds like this. Towns will inbound at mid court
just to the left of us holds. The basketball gets
it into Custer in the back court. Here it comes
across the topline eight seconds Custer gribbling right, Custer stop
spires a kittie for her, bounces and it goes then
win in I hate her. I mean, I think that
she had made a pact with the devil, because if

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you watch that shot, I can't even remember a shot
where the ball goes like to win the game. I'm
trying to think it's one thing to make a last
second shot. For those of you who didn't watch this,
you need to go back and watch it. I mean,
I think it's a pact with the devil. First of all,
they beat the Oil of Chicago. Did they beat Miami

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on literally basically the last play of the game, rising
up and draining at three when they were down. And
then they also hit this shot. And this shot was
even more improbable because it hit the front of the rim.
It kicked high into the air, then kicks off the
glass at the top of the backboard, comes back down,

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hits the rim again and goes in. I mean this
shot took like a second to actually after it hit
the rim go in. That was a brutal beat. If
you are a Houston fan, I'm sorry for my friends
down in the lone star State five slam a jama
you were hoping was back at long last. There's three

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points six seconds I believe left on the clock. You
decide not to defend the inbounds pass, which allows a
past to near mid court sets up. This is the
way it ended. If you were a Wolverine like my
wife is, you were ecstatic. If you were a Who's
Houston Cougar fan, it doesn't get much worse than this.

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Two seconds Rock bought off the poll. Three for the land,
Hey God, Hey God, start it. Call the Freshman Pizza
the Douzza, and Michigan is off to the sweet sexta
sex D four six D three. He's your full of

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and who knows what's gonna happen with Michigan. I mean,
they actually have a pretty good shot to get to
the Final four, maybe even get to the title game. Hell,
anybody left on that side of the bracket right now
has a pretty good shot to advance. Like I said,
Kentucky's bracket has fallen wide open for them. But if
you're a Michigan fan, you have to feel incredibly good
about that same thing with Gonzaga. I mean, really, anybody.

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It's anybody's game so far, given all the carnage we've seen,
even if you're Kansas State or Loyola of Chicago or Nevada, like,
there's certainly a lot of opportunity there on your side
of the bracket to advance all the way to the
title game. Now, I still think Lenova and Duke are
probably right now if you were breaking down the team's
most likely to win a championship. But in a one

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game setting, who the hell knows anything can happen. And
if you are Cincinnati you are just totally devastated, the
same way you are if you are Xavier. Both of
those teams giving up huge leads. Here's what it sounded
like at the end of Nevada Cincinnati. They were up
twenty two guys with eleven minutes to play, statistically almost

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impossible to lose a game when you were up twenty
two with eleven minutes to play. This is how that
sounded down the stretch and almost shot clock Martin driving
a step back eight team footer short up the rif.
Fuckosh Hall ten seconds ago, looks for the right hand.
It's gone good for all my point want to go

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Bestwood one. Those were three different games Tennessee Loyal of Chicago, Michigan, Houston,
and Nevada Cincinnati that saw one team advanced to the
Sweet six team and the other one's season come way
too crashing to to UH to a halt, way too soon. Lee,
go ahead and bring in Eddie Garco while I've got him.

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Get the update for those of you who are just
waking up some late night games last night. Maybe some
of you didn't stay up for West Virginia and for
certainly what was going on in UH in several of
those other games that went into UH into late on
Sunday night. What you got formula Man, Well, of course
we'll update you on the Incidable Tournament where the first
two rounds are in the books and the number one

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seed Xavier Musketeers are out. They lose to nine seeded
Florida State seventy five to seventies so Xavier and Virginia,
a pair of number one seeds, did not even make
it to the sweet six. Team. Meanwhile, sixteenth seeded in
Maryland Baltimore County saw it centerala run end were they
lost to ninth seed in Kansas State fifty to forty three,
seven seed in Nevada rally down twenty two points to

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be number two Cincinnati seventy five to seventy three. It's
the second largest comeback and incidably tournament history, and with
the Bearcats out, that means that the top four seeds
in the South Region are all eliminated. Eleventh seeded Syracuse,
the final team into the tournament, knocked off three seed
Michigan State fifty three and seventh seeded Texas A and
M knocked off the defending national champ and number two

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seed North Carolina eighty six to sixty five wins for
number two seed per New and a pair of five
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just absolutely phenomenal, Eddie. Which of those two do you
think do you buy into your old as I am
Buster over Tyson or UNBC over uv A, Which would

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you rate is the bigger upset? Well, that's a that's
a great question. Um, I'm gonna go with Tyson. Tyson
uh Douglas, Yeah, I'm on the Tyson side here. And
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The only hard part figuring out which way is easier,
and seventy two percent of you are saying U NBC
over UV A is the bigger upset compared to Buster
Douglas over Mike Tyson. Let me bring in the crew
and see whether they agree, Jason Martin, which of these

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is the bigger upset to you? Well, let's look at
it from a couple of different perspectives, and then I'm
gonna add a third option in there. But Tyson was
thirty seven, and oh, Buster Douglas was the number seven
ranked heavyweight at the time of that fight. Um, at
that point in time, we didn't think that dude was
beatable at all. Uh. You and I both remember you

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and I were basically the same age at that point.
I remember being at my grandparents house finding out about
that fight. I didn't get to see it, and nobody
was watching fights at that point in time, at least
at my age. But I found out the result because
they cut in on news coverage to tell us about
it as it was happening. Because it was that improbable.
It took four days before they actually accepted the deal
because there was a protest, so there was a lot more.

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It became a news story for days as a result,
number one seeds were one thirty five and OH. Going
into the tournament this year, with the games that had
already been played leading into Virginia and UMBC. The only
thing that makes me kind of pause a bit on
u NBC two things, actually one and I said this
going into the tournament, said it on Thursday on the show,

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that the spread for that game was entirely too large
because the way Virginia plays basketball. They played a lot
of tight games because they don't score a lot, and
when they lost their most athletic player, one of their
best defenders, the guy that would have been on Jared's
Lyles certainly the only guy on Virginia's team that can
get his own shot. That made it a lot more

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likely for this one seed to go down than most
any that we've seen because of the way they play basketball. Still,
though one thirty five and Oh is one thirty five
and Oh, I didn't know that we'd ever see it
in my lifetime. I knew it would happen. Eventually. It's
gonna happen, especially as basketball's kind of watered itself down
a little bit, or college basketball has compared to maybe

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what it was thirty years ago, but it was still ridiculous.
And then the third option that I would throw in.
We were not really old enough to see it live,
but I've seen it many times on replay. And that's
the Miracle on ice where the US hockey team made
up of basically all amateurs played against pro soviets that
have won five of the last six gold medals, all
of them with major international experience. That just being the

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semi final, that being ranked at least one of the
two probably greatest upsets along with that Tyson fight of
the last fifty to sixty years in sports. But I
think that those are the three. If I had to
pick one, Tyson was more improbable to me, just because
at the time, you know, we're watching that guy dominate
like no one had ever dominated in terms of ninety

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seconds with Michael Spinks. I remember, they tried to make
that Michael Spinks fight out like it was gonna be
the biggest thing in the world, and that dude couldn't
even stay basically upright long enough for us to blink.
So the fact that that fight actually happened and Buster
Douglas was able to beat him and dominate him actually
overpower him there in the ninth round, and we saw
that famous deal with the mouthpieces hanging out of his

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mouth when he tried to stand back up. I would say,
it's Tyson, but it's really really close, and on the
right day, I might go with one or the other two.
I don't know what the odds were of the US
men's hockey team winning, you know, and I think it
was like Blacid right against against Russia, and I were
the US offer or whatever they were called at the time,

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Soviet Union. I wasn't old, I was. I was a
baby then, so I don't call it. I do know.
I went back and looked historically you could have gotten
Buster Douglas at forty two to one to win that
boxing match. I mean, forty two to one is an
incredible payoff, and that that match was one that I believe,

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like I said, happened over in the middle of the night.
I remember HBO replayed it and my grandmother had a
free trial of HBO going on at the time. For
those of you out there, it wasn't getting to see
a Tyson fight was a big deal because most people,
at least that I knew, didn't have HBO. Uh you
you knew Mike Tyson from you know, kind of the

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uh the aura of Mike Tyson back when boxing still
mattered in this country. I would say that Mike Tyson
was the last really mattered. Now I understand there's Floyd
Mayweather guys out there who want to argue about Floyd Mayweather,
and oh, Floyd Mayweather matters a great deal, and of
Andrew Holyfield certainly came after or Tyson and Lennox Lewis.
But I think, for uh, anybody who was around my age,

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Mike Tyson was the last really straw that stirs the
drink fighter that mattered, and he was larger than life.
It's Floyd Mayweather is a great fighter stylistically, but he's
a small dude. Right. You look at Floyd Mayweather, and
nobody out there is like man. Floyd Mayweather looks like
all in, like just devastating. Right, Floyd Mayweather is kind

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of like a mosquito. Mike Tyson was a tyranno source
Rex and he was forty two to one. The buster
Douglas was to beat him twenty seven to one on
the high end for U NBC to beat U v A.
So if you were doing it based on the odds

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forty two to one is obviously much more improbable than
to one. Now some people still say, oh, you know,
it's boxing every but he's got a puncher's chance to
pull off an upset. It's hard to argue that a
boxing match is a bigger upset than a forty minute
basketball game, because, in theory, the gap between those two

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teams should reveal itself over forty minutes. It's not like
one punch can change everything. Obviously, Mike Tyson in that fight,
he was fat, he was out of shape, he was unprepared,
he was fighting overseas in Tokyo, all of those things.
The Buster Douglas Mike Tyson fight, to me, is the

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bigger of the upsets. Danny G. I know you're old
enough to remember it, justin you aren't. Do you guys
agree on Tyson versus Buster Douglas or you on the
sixteen versus one upset by UNBC. Yeah. I didn't get
to see the Tyson fight. Obviously was old enough to
have seen the highlights and everything, but unfortunately almost no

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one saw because it was in Japan. It was in Japan.
I think it was the middle of night. I think
that fight if I if I remember correctly, maybe some
people on the West Coast were able to watch it
because it might have been later at night on the
West Coast as opposed to the middle of the night,
But I think it was like two or three am
on for those of us on the East Coast Central
time zone. So literally what I remember is everybody waking

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up to that news like you woke up on. I
think it was like a Sunday morning you put on
the news, And initially I think remember back in the
day they could and I still think this is the
rule kind of now, isn't it. But everybody gets the
you see it on social media. But back in the day,
like if you put on Sports Center, they were only
able to show still photographs from fights. You remember that

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because they didn't have the rights. They didn't have the
rights to them. And so nowadays I think the rule
is probably still the same, although I'm not sure because
I don't watch Sports Center anymore. I see all my
highlights on on my Twitter feed, and so if rhanda
Rousy gets knocked out, then I immediately see it pop
up on my You know, somebody got like twenty seconds
of the scout and I watch it on on social media.

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But I remember watching Sports Center and and they had
like just still photographs from that fight, which is crazy
for I mean, imagine a lot of you listening right
now to even contemplate what that was like. Oh, here
are highlights. Oh and it's from Japan, and it's just
a couple of still photographs from the fight. And the
baddest man on the planet has lost, and you know,
you just got a couple of photos that you've seen

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of it. Clay. The one thing I will say about
u NBC. They were blown out by Albany in January
some odd points, and and Virginia has the national coach
of the Year in Tony Bennett. Bennett a lot of
us obviously had Virginia in our final four or going
to the championship game. I know I did, And so

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Friday night, I just I kept having that feeling like, well,
this is where they'll make their move. They're gonna come
back right here. There's no way they're gonna go out
like this. They got punked. I mean, to lose is
one thing, but by twenty you gotta be kidding me.
And then you were asking us for any other upsets
that we remembered and this is not in the top three,
but one thing I'll always remember as a kid is

(32:07):
to kemb Motumbo on his back joyously gripping the basketball
in that overtime game, because remember the Nuggets were down
two oh to the heavily favored SuperSonics. They came all
the way back forced overtime in that final game, and
they were the first ever NBA eight seed to win
a playoff series, and of course eight seed over a

(32:29):
one seed in that Yeah, I think that's a five
game series. Back in the day when they had five
game series. I mean obviously remember that. Um. I think
it's harder when you think it's series because it just
doesn't seem like as much of an upset to me
if somebody wins three out of five or four out
of seven, because uh, it almost to me has to
like an upset has to be a one game kind

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of situation. But as has kids in the NBA really quick,
we were so used to favorites though, you know what
I mean. So yeah, I just think when you when
like if the n C Double A Tournament were the
best two out of three instead of the best of
this one game walk off, I think we'd have very
few upsets. And I think again, if you win a series,

(33:09):
it's hard to be stunned by the result because you've
seen something that happened multiple times. UM. In general, I
want to open up the phone lines eight seven seven
nine six six three six nine. Are we missing anything
hop in poll results rolling in? And again I think
this is just a function, more than anything else, of
a lot of people out there in the OutKick audience

(33:29):
being younger than the UH, than the actual UH. They
just don't remember Mike Tyson, they don't remember Buster Douglas.
That's it might as well have been something that happened
in ninety two them. But the question on the polls,
thousands of you weighing in bigger upset will also unpack
anything you want to talk about in the n C

(33:49):
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a lot of you also on Twitter app State beating

(34:33):
Michigan in the Big House. Um, that was an FCS
versus FBS team, and obviously Michigan was a odds on
favorite to be a national title contender that year as well. Um,
a bunch of you telling stories about watching the Mike
Tyson fight. Jamie says, my tenth grade English teacher brought

(34:55):
in a copy of the Tyson Fight that Tuesday rolled
in the v CR cart. Class watched an entirety Um
and uh yeah that that app State Michigan game. They
did hang some lines, and people say, oh, there's no
betting line, but the off shores have lines for everything. Um,

(35:16):
and I I think, like, I can you can bet
now on all the FCS versus the FBS games And
usually the lines are around thirty five forty five fifty
depending on the overall talent. But Appalachian State was a
really good game, a really good team that year, the
defending I think FCS national champs. Uh so the line,
what did you say, Jason Martin ended up being like

(35:37):
thirty three and a half. Yeah, thirty three and a half.
It we've moved down. I think it started over forty
and then it dropped to thirty three and a half
on game day. Yeah, so, I mean that's unlikely, but
nowhere near forty two to one. I don't believe, or
certainly a twenty seven to one outcome. I don't believe.

(35:57):
Let me take some of your calls. Uh, Paul in Fargo,
what's up all? Hey? Clay g m I he gains
had a good weekend. It may not be the best one,
but one of my favorite ones. And then this one
was a bit overlooked because it happened a year after
than eighty three. Jim Valvano NC stayed upset, but it's
four Villanova win over Patrick Hwings Georgetown team. I remember

(36:21):
watching this game live with some friends as teenagers. I mean,
Nova was so overmatched town wise, but they played almost
a perfect game. I remember that they shot seventy from
the field from the field in the second half and
still only won by two points. And it was funny.
Me and my friends were all Georgetown fans. I think
I had a Patrick Ewing poster on my wall, but
we found ourselves rooting for Villanova by the end of

(36:43):
the game, just because of how well they were playing.
Solanova over George Shell gets my butt and real quick,
Clay as Colin Coward ever told you his buster Douglas
Mike Tyson's story, not that I remember, just real quick.
It was back when he set it on the air
quite a few times. It was back he first kind
of started. He was doing media out in Las Vegas.
That was kind of one of the places he got

(37:04):
his start. A buddy of his actually asked him if
he wanted to have each of them throwing a hundred
bucks to bet on Douglas, and Colin wasn't established yet,
so he was, as he says, it broke at the time,
and he told this pheno, let's pass on it, and
sure enough that hunter bucks would have turned into four
middle over four grand. So I thought it was a
funny story and claim mind have a great week. I
thanks for the car I appreciate it. That is a

(37:25):
great story. I mean, there's a lot of people out
there who've been in that situation. I don't want to
take a flyer on the big time long shot and
then the big time long shot hits. Frank in Texas.
What's up, Frank? Hey? Yeah? How you doing? Play excellent? Hey? Listen? Uh,
I have an upset that actually changed the shape of
the NFL. Uh Broadway Joe long here Broadway, Joe looking

(37:48):
at the camera and saying, I guarantee will beat crude
cut Johnny and IDAs. Everyone went crazy. Yeah, there's no
doubt that one changed the NFL because it made the
Super Bowl a legitimate, legitimate game, right. I mean, up
until that point, the a f L had had no
chance competing against the NFL. Um but I don't believe

(38:08):
they were, like, it's nowhere near what the line is
now for some of these games. Abraham in Virginia, what's up, Abraham?
Good talking to you this morning, Clay. When you ask
what's the biggest stuff set I've watched in my lifetime,
it's definitely the undefeated two thousand seven Patriots getting beat

(38:29):
by the Giants, whose defensive line effectively went Buster Douglas
against Tom Brady and his receivers. That was the That's
the most unbeatable NFL team I've ever watched. Yeah, thanks
for the call. Giants were fourteen point underdogs in that game.
Not I mean, like, yes, it's it's an upset, It's
not like it was out of this world upset. I

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think that the Patriots when they beat the St. Louis
Rams when they won their first title, were around a
two touched down underdog as well. I mean NFL games,
by and large, in the playoffs, you don't get that
many lines that are approaching two touchdowns. So it's rare
in that context, but a two touchdown underdog would win.

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I think in the NFL something like fifteen percent of
the time, maybe ten percent of the time. Uh So
it's not like it's unheard of for that to happen.
I mean nine, let's say, chance of the other team winning,
but a ten percent chance that they won't. Uh, continue
to take your calls. Eight seven, seven, nine, six, three
six nine. We're unpacking the results of the n c

(39:35):
Double A tournament and of one of the biggest upsets
of all time, the Friday Night win by UNBC over Virginia,
trying to put it in context. Where does it rank
in the greatest upsets in sports history of our lifetimes.
We'll talk about that and more all still to come
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(40:20):
results of the n C Double A Tournament and also
of the biggest upsets in modern sports history. Would it
be fair to say that the four biggest upsets since
night so basically two generations that covers a large group

(40:41):
of our audience out there listening right now, would be
these four games. I'll start with the most recent, which
is Maryland Baltimore County over uv A. The first time
that a sixteen seed has beaten a one seed in
the history of the tournament. Forever more. Now we will

(41:04):
be discussing the outcome of that game in the lead
up to every n C Double A tournament. Literally, that
game will become one of the most discussed games in
the history of the sport. I told I was watching
this with a uv A fan friend, and I told

(41:24):
him after the game, I said, yeah, this is gonna
be brutal for uv A, But I think the uv
A U NBC game will be remembered longer than the
winner of whoever the championship is this year. Not that
you won't be able to go back and look up, oh,
who won the two thousand eighteen n C Double A Tournament?

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But if I say to you right now, who won
the two thousand eleven n C Double A Basketball tournament?
Unless you're a fan of the team that won in
two thousand eleven, you're probably like me, I don't really
remember I watched it. I certainly will remember having watched
it if I look it up and see who won

(42:08):
in two thousand eleven. But unless you're a fan of
the team who won, or your team was in the
final four, or your team was in the title game
and lost, it's probably unlikely that you're just gonna randomly remember, Oh, yeah,
I remember who want to know eight? Oh who wanted
two thousand four? Who won in nineteen eighty six. Unlikely

(42:30):
that you're gonna just remember off the top of your head, oh,
that team won the n C Double A Tournament. But
I bet a lot of you will remember in eighteen,
University of Virginia lost to the University of Maryland Baltimore County.
For the rest of your lives, let's say you live
through forty or fifty more n C Double A tournaments,

(42:50):
this will be talked about for all of them, and
certainly coaches are gonna be using this loss for the
best of their coaching careers. In the n C Double
A Tournament, every single one seed forever. Now, the coach
of that one seed is gonna tell his team if
they're having a bad practice or they're not paying attention.

(43:13):
You guys are gonna get your butts beat like uv
A did by UNBC. And it wasn't really just the
uv A lost. It was that they lost by twenty.
They got their asses kicked. It wasn't like somebody ran
and hit a jumper at the last second to beat them.
There was no doubt about the outcome of this game.

(43:37):
University of Maryland Baltimore County crushed them, So I think
that is going to be at the top of the mind.
It's the most recent, most recent outcome. Sports fans are
incredibly guilty of recency bias. This is true not just
of sports fans, but of everybody across the country. You
tend to overrate what just happened and the signal if

(44:00):
against of it. This goes on in the world the
news too. I read two newspapers every day, the New
York Times and the Wall Street Journal. The vast majority
of what I read every day in those newspapers does
not matter in the long run. It's not gonna be
a story that anybody remembers a week from now, a

(44:23):
month from now, certainly not a year from now. Because
so much happens, we tend to think, oh my god,
this is a huge story on Monday. By Wednesday, it's gone. Certainly,
everything is ephemeral. That's what sports talk or radio is
very rare that we will do the same topic two

(44:43):
days in a row, much less three days in a row.
So I'm not skip Bayless. I'm not gonna do Michael
Jordan's versus Lebron James every day for fourteen thousand, six
seventy four consecutive days. Congratulations is to Skip Bayliss for
doing that, and it ain't gonna be me. So I

(45:04):
think U NBC versus uvas at the top of the list.
My argument for the biggest upset of my lifetime is
Mike Tyson against Buster Douglas. The outcome of that is
absolutely unbelievable, just totally unbelievable that that ever happened in

(45:26):
any way, And I think probably for me, that's factoring
in the overall impact of Mike Tyson in general, who
I believe is probably the most dominant athlete of my
life in terms of the guy who you believed was

(45:47):
completely invincible and unbeatable. For him to lose to Buster
Douglas in that fight in Tokyo at a forty two
to one underdog was still to me earth chat uttering. Now.
I was a kid then too, So you know how
when you're a kid and you believe that somebody is
unbeatable and then maybe they lose, it strikes you differently

(46:12):
because you thought it was impossible to have it happen.
So for me, the biggest upset of my life is
gonna be Mike Tyson versus Buster Douglas, but a couple
of other I think the best editions that you guys
have tossed out there app state going on the road
in the Big House as an FCS team. There now
obviously an FBS team and they're pretty dad gone good,

(46:35):
but at that point in time, they were an FCS team,
the next level down, and they went on the road
and one in the Big House against Michigan, and not
just against Michigan, against the Void car coached Michigan team
that I believe was like number three in the country.
That was a team that everybody seemed to believe had

(46:57):
a chance to win a national championship that year. And
then the last one, and again I wasn't old enough
to remember watching this, but the US men's hockey team
la Placid against the uss are the Russian pros against
some low level American caliber college talent was a massive upset.

(47:20):
Those are the four. I'm gonna put up a new
poll question I think and list those four. But before
I do any disagreement from the crew anybody that I
should have on this list that I don't, I only
get four options on the Twitter poll. Those are the
four that I think I'm gonna go with, and I'm
curious to see how everybody reacts, because right now, Mike
Tyson versus Buster Douglas is getting beaten soundly by UMBC

(47:45):
versus Virginia, and I think it's because most of the
people voting in the poll are too young to remember
what Mike Tyson was like in his prime. Any other
game that you would argue Jason Martin or Danny g
and Justin back in l A should be included on
this list. No, not really, nothing, nothing too recent. I

(48:06):
mean you'd have to go back to like the sixty
nine Miracle Mets and stuff like that, and that's just
going too far back for most of our audience, or
even for any of us. None of us were able
to have watched that. So I think it's I think
it's true. I also think it's instructive. I mentioned this
last week, and I think that it kind of plays
into the point you just made about us remembering u
NBC forever. The n C Double A Tournament is unique

(48:27):
in that I think it's the only event in all
of American sports where early round upsets almost always stick
with us longer big shots from teams that didn't win
these games, these game winners like Bryce Drew and what
he was able to do with Valparaiso and ti Us
Edney and what he was able to do to come
back all the way down the court and make that

(48:48):
they ended up winning the championship that year. But most
of the time, we see these teams and these buzzer beaters,
and we remember that more than we remember the champion.
I remember Florida Gulf Coast beating Otto Porters Georgetown team
five years ago more than I remember anything else that
happened in that tournament. I think that's why this first
weekend the n C Double A is always so much fun,
because it's what we remember from this tournament. We're not

(49:10):
going to remember much over the next two weeks, as
you said, I don't think, but we're never ever gonna
forget what we saw on Friday night. Yeah, you know.
I also would say, like I remember Steve francis Is
Santa Clara team beating I believe it was Arizona as
a fifteen seed Steve Nash two seed, see that, you know,
I say, see Francis, I meant Steve Nash, Um but
Steve Nash, which know who nobody knew at that time,

(49:32):
uh and later obviously became a household name. Um, But
that game I think a lot of people remember. I
would argue that the n C Double A Tournament is
the only sport that peaks when it starts and gets
progressively worse as it continues. What I mean by that
is everybody out there loves the Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday

(49:55):
of the n C Double A Tournament the whittling down.
And I don't even count the play in games. Frankly,
I know people watch them and gamble on him and
everything else. I don't really count that as the start
of the n C Double A Tournament. To me, the
INC Double A Tournament starts at about noon Eastern on
Thursday and then runs all the way and now they
have this Lake tip off and everything else to about

(50:17):
midnight on Sunday on the East Coast, Sunday turning into Monday.
The Sweet six team games are fine, much less interested
in them, you know, just personally. Now, if your team's playing,
that's exciting, that's true, that's fantastic, that's that that can
be otherworldly to watch your team make a run in
the n C Double A tournament, but in terms of

(50:38):
just sheer enjoyment as a sports fan, like the NBA
Finals are infinitely better by and large than the first
round of the NBA Playoffs. There's nobody out there that
if I told you right now, okay, hey, do you
want to watch the first round of the NBA playoffs
or do you want to watch the NBA Finals. I
don't think there's anybody out there who would say, you
know what, I'll take the first round of the NBA Playoffs.

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I don't think there's that many people out there. You
want to watch the Super Bowl, or you want to
watch a wild card weekend. I don't think there's that
many people out there who are saying, you know what,
I want to watch wild card weekend? Major League Baseball,
you want to watch the wild Card series play ins,
or you want to watch the World Series in C
double A tournament. I think almost all of you would

(51:21):
say you, I'd rather watch the opening weekend. I'd rather
marinate in the excess. I'd rather embrace the chaos. I
want that opening weekend to review and watch and enjoy.
I think almost all of you would now they're individual,
uh individual tournaments. I think certainly in golf, would you

(51:43):
rather watch the Masters or the FedEx Cup at the
end of the season. Most of you don't even know
what the FedEx Cup is because they do it in
golf at the end of the year by the time
football is already underway, and you're like, I don't give
a damn about that. The Masters is probably the best
weekend of golf all year, probably the most watched. Like

(52:03):
if you live on the East Coast or the Midwest
and it's cold, that to you is like, thank God,
we've almost made it through another winter. I get to
see the azelias, I get to see all these great
golfers walking around outdoors. May still be snow on the
ground in upstate Michigan and Minnesota at South Dakota and
all these places where it's cold in the winter, Maine, Massachusetts,

(52:28):
but damn, it's spring in Augusta. I know spring is
eventually gonna get a here, maybe NASCAR Daytona five hundred.
You start at the best and you don't necessarily care
about how the season ends. But for me, the n
C Double A tournament in the way it starts makes

(52:50):
it all better. Uh, guys out in l A, is
there any other sport or game that you would nominate
needing to be in our under in our underdog contest
here here, and I'll take your calls on this too.
These are the four that we're gonna put in. I think, unless, guys,
you have one that you think should be on the
list that I don't have in this for no, we're
shaking our heads. The list seems pretty legiti. The list,

(53:12):
as Schindler said, is life. All right? We have reached
the list of life. The four biggest upsets of the
last forty years of sports, according to our reasoned minds
out here. I'm gonna put it out there. I will
open up the phone lines eight seven, seven nine six
three six nine. Also have another question. As much fun

(53:34):
as the n C Double A tournament is, is it
also the worst way that any sport now picks to
crown a champion. Even if you enjoyed watching u NBC
beat u v A, doesn't it seem insane that u
v A season, as over as good as it was

(53:55):
and Syracuses as crappy as it was, is still going.
I think that the n C Double A is probably
the most entertaining, but also the simultaneously worst away the
n C Double A tournament to crown a champion, it
makes no logical sense. We're gonna play the entire season

(54:18):
and then basically toss it all out. None of it
matters other than seating, and then we're gonna bring in
sixty eight teams and everybody has a chance to win
a title. It literally is the worst way to crown
a champion if the goal is to get the best team.
I think it's crazy, exhilarating, it's fun, it's tough to

(54:42):
turn away from. It's also the worst possible way to
crown a champion. Eight seven, seven, six, nine will discuss Underdog,
the biggest underdog win of the last forty years. Those
four options going up right now. If you're just waking
up across the country, I'm curious what you think. You
can find me on Twitter at Clay Travis and weigh
in with your opinion. U NBC versus University of Virginia,

(55:05):
the six team pulling off the one buster, Douglas knocking
out Mike Tyson, app State going on the road and
beating Michigan, and the miracle on ice. The US men's
hockey team beats Russia back in nineteen. Which of those
is the biggest upset of the last two generations the
last forty years of American sports. We will put up

(55:28):
the poll. You will tell us what the answer is.
I am Clay Travis. This is outkaate the coverage on
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have come up with the four biggest sports upsets of
the past forty years. Pull question is up US Hockey

(56:12):
over USS? Are Buster Douglas over Mike Tyson? App State
beats Michigan and U NBC over you v A for me?
The answer to this question is not complicated. It's Buster
Douglas over Mike Tyson. It's the biggest sports upset in
my life over the last forty years. It's the lowest

(56:35):
vote getter on this list right now, so I don't
even understand it at all. I don't know whether people
just don't recognize Mike Tyson's dominance. I I don't get it.
I mean, the US Hockey right now is dominating, getting
forty eight percent of the vote, which makes me question
everything about Buster Douglas versus Mike Tyson. Because my theory

(56:56):
on why Buster Douglas versus Mike Tyson was not getting
votes was that people were just too young to remember it.
But I'm even too young to remember that hockey game.
I I don't. I mean, I was a year old
when that happened. I don't remember anything about it. App
State beats Michigan. I watched that U NBC over U
v A. I'll watch that right now. You're saying, as

(57:18):
a group, the OutKick Army out there US Hockey forty
percent of the vote, um Maryland, Baltimore County cent of
the vote, app State beating Michigan four percent of the vote,
and only ten percent of you agree with me that
Buster Douglas over Mike Tyson is the biggest sports upset
of the last forty years. Now, let me also say this,

(57:40):
do we have any English listeners out there? I know, hey,
maybe justin you can find out. We haven't gotten an
update on our international listeners on the podcast in a while.
How are we looking on the international front. I believe
we have some people in England who listened every day
Leicester City a lot of people out there saying, well,
you should expand it, you should include the e p
L in your argument. Leicester City was something like uh

(58:02):
an insane amount to win the English Premier League last year.
Um and uh and that certainly would be a massive upset.
But there's no way the average American listeners is that
plugged in on the e p L. But internationally that
certainly would be near the top internationally. Also, I would
think there have been guys who have won tennis tournaments,

(58:26):
maybe some women too. But I would imagine that if
you had bought a ticket on for instance, uh Boris
Becker when he was seventeen years old and won Wimbledon
the first time as an unseated champ, I would I
would imagine that you could have gotten insane odds overseas
on Boris Becker winning Wimbledon at seventeen years old. I

(58:49):
would think also that with golf, there are guys who
come out of nowhere all the time and find a
way to win a major. It just happens, um. And
so that's one of the fun things about betting golf
is that nobody's odds are that good because the field
is so substantial that anybody in theory could win, And
every now and then somebody who you never heard of

(59:10):
does win. Ben Curtis. Anybody ever had Ben Curtis future
stickets had to be hundreds and hundreds to one that
he would have found a way to win that tournament.
Golf is like that, though wild things can happen. Um.
What what is the international updates? Where are Let me
guess where we have the most international listeners? This Canada

(59:32):
count as an international place? If it does, it's clearly one, right.
Canada is one. I would go with the u K.
Two would be my my guest that that the United Kingdom,
that Britain would be number two. I would go with
Australia as three. That is incorrect. New Zealand, No, you

(59:54):
will never you will never guess it. Germany Nope, Korea, No,
but you in closer. Uh. I'm guessing it's American overseas bases.
Is it Afghanistan? Very close? Uh? Is it? Uh? We're
are bigger bases over there, is it? Uh? Iraq? You're

(01:00:15):
you're in the right uh right general area? Where where's three?
Saudi Arabia? Saudi Arabia. I'm guessing that it's not the
chiks out there that are, like, my god, you know
who I love Clay Travis. Nobody talks better about raven
fighting than Clay Travis, hawk fighting. What they love out
their camels. I'm guessing that that's mostly American overseas. So

(01:00:35):
three is Saudi Arabia. Huh? What about what about for
its New Zealand and like Australia. Number four is Mexico. Mexico. Interesting.
I think that's probably just college kids right now in
spring break. They're just going down there. They're drunk. They
gotta recover the next morning. They got a fluid ad
a little bit. They're laying out on the beach, they're
downloading the podcast on WiFi and they're listening along. Uh,

(01:00:57):
maybe we got some ex pats down seem like kind
that's what it sounds like right now for all of
our Mexican listeners, Um where where after Mexico and then
Australia rounds out the top five. Australia runs on the
top five, all right. I know New Zealand also, I
do New Zealand Radio every now and then and they
air this is no joke. We're on like a couple
of the biggest stations in New Zealand. They are listening

(01:01:19):
to us right now. I have no idea what time
it is in New Zealand, but I will go on.
I've done it a few times now with New Zealand
Radio and they're like, oh, yeah, we carry Fox Sports Radio.
You're on here, You're on here. I don't know what
time of night it is. I don't think we're like
drive Time in New Zealand and Auckland. I don't think
we're the number one number one radio host. But we

(01:01:40):
are on all over New Zealand and I think all
over Australia too. I think the Fox Sports Radio brand
is uh is on in those two countries. Like literally literally,
you can be driving around right now in your car
if you're on vacation and you're like, god, I can't
get away from that guy, Clay Travis. I get in
an Australian cabin. He's on It's twelve thirty in the

(01:02:00):
morning on Tuesday, twelve thirty. That's just crazy to me.
Twelve thirty in the morning on Tuesday right now in Australia. Yeah,
see we're talking. You know. I try to get away
in July when when the sports season is like the slowest,
when there's nothing that goes on. And so my wife
and I were talking about, like where do we want
to go. Last year we went away for two weeks,

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took the whole family, the kids, everybody. We went to
UH to London, got to go see Wimbledon. It was awesome.
UH and then went to UH to Paris to they're
pretty close together. Got to go to the beaches in Normandy,
Like that's something I've always wanted to do. We had
an incredible time, and we're talking a little bit about
the idea I would love to go to Australia. I
love to go to Australia New Zealand. Never been talking

(01:02:43):
a little bit about the idea of going there. But
I've got a ten, a seven, and a three year
old and we're gonna take them on vacation with us.
Can we take a seventeen hour playing flight with kids
that young? And then how crossed over are you by
the time zones? How difficult is that to recover from? That?
Seems like it would just be a brutal turnover that

(01:03:04):
you spend that long and by the time you land
you have no idea what day it actually is. You'll
lose all this time in transit. So I'm kind of
wide open to the idea of where we should go,
but that seems like a really really difficult, uh difficult possibility. Um,
all right, Uh, let's go in bringing Eddie Garcia. Then
I'll give you an update on our pole question. Also,

(01:03:26):
I believe we still have people waiting online eight seven seven,
six three six nine. I'll get to you, but first
let me bring in my guy, Eddie Garcia. Eddie, of
those four of those four, would you still go with
Buster Douglas over Tyson yourself? No, I would have to
change to the USA over the USS are miracle on ice?
Are you surprised that we are as popular in Saudi

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Arabia as we are? I think there are a lot
of Americans over there, like working in the oil industry.
So I'm I'm guessing that's that's what the Texans were
big in Texas. They just have uprooted and gone us.
All right. I I worked with a guy who was
born in Saudi Arabia and he said his dad worked
in the oil industry. So that's that's a surprise me
at all. All Right, what you got for us? Well,

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in the Incidably Tournament, the first two rounds are over
and another number one seed was knocked off on Sunday,
nine seeded Florida State beating Xavier seventy seventy, So the
Musketeers joined Virginia as a number one seed that did
not make it in the sweet sixteen. Sixteenth seeded Maryland
of Baltimore County, the team that beat Virginia loses to
nine seed in Kansas State fifty to forty three. Seventh

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seed in Nevada rally from down twenty two points to
beat number two seeds Cincinnati seventy three. It's the second
largest comeback in n C Double A Tournament history, and
with that lost by the Bearcats, the top four seeds
in the South Region are all out. Eleven seeded Syracuse
the final team to get into the tournament. Beats third
seedy in Michigan State fifty three, seventh seeded Texas A
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the biggest upsets in the last forty years of sports.
You guys told me that you have a call from
the US Men's Hockey win over USSR. Here's what it
sounded like, supple poor playing the United States Lympics. The

(01:06:24):
change congratulating each other after the game of craps the ory,
look at Jim Tray. Here's the other question is is
that game so ingrained in American popular consciousness that people

(01:06:46):
who didn't even see it have bought into the hype
on it through I think they did a thirty for
thirty the movie Miracle, the fact that every time the
Olympics come around, and we just had the Winter Olympics,
it becomes a story as everybody talks about it, Whereas
I think has there ever been did they do a
thirty for thirty on Tyson Versus Buster Douglas. Has there

(01:07:08):
been any um like, I would watch a movie. You know,
everything is getting rebooted now, we got freaking Roseanne coming back.
If anything ever had a big audience, I would watch
a movie about the Tyson versus Buster Douglas fight. I
watched Ititania. I thought it was phenomenal. You know, I
had forgotten a lot of the details surrounding Tanya Harding

(01:07:29):
versus Nancy Kerrigan. The Itonia movie was outstanding. If you
want to watch a sports related movie, maybe you want
to get credit. By the way. I also, finally, I'm
catching up on everything. I finally watched get Out last night. Um,
and I'd watch so much n C double a tournament stuff.
My wife and I sat down. Get Out was on
for free as part of our HBO package or whatever.

(01:07:51):
That was really a good movie too, I liked. I
didn't see very many of the of the Oscar nominated
films this year. I saw It Tania and I saw
a get Out, and I really both of those. I
don't have a lot of interest in seeing the rest
of them. But are you guys with me? Would would?
I mean, I think Mike Tyson is such an iconic character. Obviously,
most of our audience right now knows Mike Tyson more

(01:08:13):
from the Hangover movie and maybe from occasionally doing a
little bit of stand up than they do from his
actual sporting career. I think the time is right for
a redo of Mike Tyson. Maybe it's just a Tyson movie.
I would watch the hell out of a Tyson movie
that just kind of went through all the craziness that
happened in his life. I mean, he was a end

(01:08:35):
is a larger than life character. Jason Martin, you watch
a lot of movies. Am I crazy on this that
a Tyson reboot seems like it should be in order? Yeah?
I mean there was a TV movie that came out
a long time ago, and then they did something else.
I think back in two thousand and eight, thirty for
thirty Back did something called Chasing Tyson that was more

(01:08:57):
about Evander Holyfield trying to get his first fight with
Mike Tyson, and it goes through the Buster Douglas stuff
and obviously him go into prison with the UH with
the rape allegations and everything that went down there. So,
I mean there has been a little bit of stuff,
but there could definitely be more because Tyson was such
a ridiculous figure and so much of what he did
was outlandish and seemingly made for Hollywood. It's I mean,

(01:09:20):
remember the guy got in fights at like lingerie stores,
just in this like a fist fight. Like, think about
how crazy that was. He married Robin Gibbons. Remember how
crazy the whole Robin Givens Mike Tyson relationship was. Um
and then uh he went to prison like he I mean,
the Tyson story in general, to me, is one of

(01:09:41):
the greatest and most improbable of modern sports history. And
you know, this kid is just in the middle of
you know, like I think, the ghetto in New York City.
He gets found by this guy custom Motto, who trains
him into a champion when he's living in like a
correctional facility. Uh he is, uh, you know the way

(01:10:02):
he carries himself, that voice, that lisp, that everything about
Mike Tyson was. If you don't remember the Tyson era,
he is as dominant of an athlete as we have
ever known. And I feel like when I look at
these results rolling in, it makes me think the time
is right for a Mike Tyson reboot. There are three

(01:10:25):
thousand votes that have rolled in in the first fifteen
minutes US men's hockey greatest upset of all time. Nearly
half of you are saying that U NBC over uv
A is in the second spot. App State beating Michigan
is in third spot. I feel like I'm taking crazy
pills here that my biggest upset in the last forty
years is Buster Douglas over Mike Tyson, and only ten

(01:10:47):
percent of you agree with me. Usually I have a
pretty good pulse on how people are gonna respond. This
astounds me that Buster Douglas over Mike Tyson, to you
guys out there voting right now, is the least of
the upsets of these four. I think it's the biggest upset.
I mean is And that's why I'm saying, is Mike
Tyson in his career just not actually that well known

(01:11:11):
compared to the miracle on ice, which I think has
been well chronicled. Obviously, we have recency bias rolling in
with U NBC over uv A because it just happened.
App State beating Michigan football big win. Uh. I'm just
kind of blown away that that thee that what I
think should be the biggest upset is actually in last place.

(01:11:32):
Doesn't make any sense to me. All Right, I promise
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couple of additional questions that have continued to roll in.

(01:12:57):
UM A lot of people like Jason Martin, you're mentioning
that Rulan Gardner went over Alexander Caroline was a huge
upset at two thousand to one? Yes, Olympics. Is that
actually confirmed? Because I feel like a lot of odds
are out there that are just kind of tossed out,

(01:13:18):
like could you could could anybody actually place a two
thousand to one odds bet on the American because that
seems insane to me for this reason, because some people
just go bet on America, right, like, oh, America's two
thousand and one, Like nobody actually knows who the Russian
is here. So I see some of these odds. Where
are the odds from? I don't see like the exact

(01:13:40):
like bookmaker, but I got the actual odds from both
The Atlantic and the New York Times, so it's not
like coming from nowhere. It was part of articles talking. Yeah,
it's times in retrospect, people just make up insane numbers
and they float around and they become kind of accepted
in real life, even though that wine never existed in

(01:14:03):
terms of like people actually being able to track it down,
because I don't think you can bet on the Olympics
in Vegas, so that wine would have to be an
offshore somewhere where exactly. I have no idea, no idea.
Let me take a few of your calls, bitten in Charlotte,
what's up in how you doing living the dream? Hey? Um,

(01:14:24):
I got um. If you talked about the types and stuff,
it doesn't seem to significant. But more recently you've got um.
Ronda Rowsey and the Holly Holme fight. She was pretty dominant,
you know. It was armbar fifteen seconds and dying steps
in the ring with Holly Holme, and she gets beat
marks pretty much the end of her end. Look that
if it's a great point. I was watching that fight.

(01:14:46):
I imagine I think it was like nine to one
on one. I think it was eight to one actually, Um,
either way, it's the time to fight happen. Not that
big of an upset if either one of us are right.
I was thinking nine to one. J Some Martin's thinking
eight to one, we'll look that up for you. That
was obviously an upset, but I don't think it was
like a oh my God, like this is an unbelievable

(01:15:09):
level upset. Rhonda Rousey was invincible Mike Tyson, like I
would say, in terms of the way that she was
beating people, and then to just get dominated like she
did by Holly Holm was certainly unexpected. But that one
is that's one where there were tons of places you
could place the bet, and I feel like nine to
one was the number. Andrew in Orlando, what's up? Andrew, Hey, Clay,

(01:15:32):
real quick, three points, um your your Tyson fight is
UH is actually the biggest upset. The reason why people
don't remember that three points just real quick. The time
of the fight was two am I on HBO. A
really second my point. My second point is St. Joseph
silver to Paul with Mark required coach Raymond Um coach

(01:15:53):
Ray with the Paul UH second round one. If you
watch the UH last seven seconds so that there's a
crossover dribble and then UH they feed it to number
fourty four and that was a spectacular number one in
the nation and number one seeded de Paul third. You're right,
um one and done is worse than a terrible hangover.

(01:16:15):
But it also exemplifies the great coaching that's going on
right now. Finally it's speaking and you're seeing a lot
of overrated like University of Virginia, overrated Xavier getting out coach,
not necessarily by Baltimore, but Florida State's upset over XAVI
is just a good coach basketball team and finally decent

(01:16:37):
coaching is making it to the top. Thanks like I'm out. Yeah,
you know, it is a that that's an argument to
make that the one versus sixteen was going to happen
at some time, because I think the gap continues to
minimize between the very top. And by the way, we
should mention on that u NBC win over u v A.

(01:16:57):
It's not even just sixteen verses one. It's the lowest
seeded sixteen seed against the highest seeded one seed. So
it literally is the best team going up against the worst.
In the minds of the of the committee that's seated. Rousy,
what what's the final number? It looks like a close

(01:17:19):
somewhere between minus sixteen fifty and minus two thousand had
opened at minus twelve fifty and basically eight point to
five to one for home, So between eight and nine
to one, which is basically what we were thinking. So
it's an upset, but it's not necessarily an upset on
the level of Buster Douglas, which was Mike Tyson or Virginia,
which was twenty seven to one. Uh, Mike in Ventura,

(01:17:43):
what's up? Mike Hey, what's going on? Uh? Play? I
got a couple of three points for you. Also, one
the reason why nobody's picking Tyson is because boxing just
is not as influential as it was, such that in
the last five years the number one biggest boxing match
was against a guy who wasn't even a boxer. Yes,

(01:18:04):
Conor McGregor. The second point is um, but by the way,
that doesn't impact hold on. That doesn't impact the legacy
of Muhammad Ali. Everybody talks about Mohammed Ali all the
time he was a boxer. I mean to me, Mike Tyson.
Even though boxing has declined since Tyson, it doesn't diminish
what Tyson did when he was at his apex. But

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but continue true. Okay, second point um, The reason also
why is sixteen will now be able to beat a
one seat is because the best players in the country
are one and duns. So you're not having the best
athletes stay in school. They're out, like Kentucky, Dukes North Carolina. Yeah,
I understand that argument, but Kentucky and Duke may well

(01:18:46):
meet in the national championship this year and they are
filled with one and done players for sure. For sure.
I'm just saying in generally, I think a sixteen beating
of one would never have happened. I think I think
it is more a function, honestly, of the depth that
now exists in college basketball. Like I was looking, did
you see Yukon's women in the opening round of their

(01:19:09):
terms and embarrassment? They were one? That was the final
score of that game, like one forty two fifty four
or something like that. I mean they the line was
fifty four. In the opening round of the women's basketball tournament.
Yukon was favored by fifty four, and I think they
won by ninety. It's one one forty two fifty two.

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So the gap in women's basketball is unbelievable. But the
gap and men's continues to lessen every year because I
think there's more quality players distributed well across all of
college basketball, and I do think if you stay for
three or four years as opposed to being a one
or two year guy, that what's desired now is a

(01:19:55):
four year guy more than a one year A final
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your Monday morning with us. We are unpacking the weekend
that was in the n C Double A tournament where
everybody that was at the top of the list came

(01:20:39):
crumbling down. It feels like the brackets are wide open. Kentucky,
which what's looked like it would have to go through Arizona,
the University Virginia, and potentially Cincinnati. All of those teams,
also adding the University of Tennessee out of the mix.
The South region is wide open, as is the other
side of the bracket there, uh in the in the

(01:21:02):
what is that the Midwest or whatever? The Gonzaga region,
the one that Xavier just blew it in and the
same weekend that Cincinnati blew it that side of the
bracket is also wide open. Would be even wider open
if Michigan had not sunk the three point basket that
they did to beat Houston. And I'm sorry for all

(01:21:23):
of the Houston Cougar fans out there. That has to
be pretty brutal. That's the west side of the bracket,
the South and the West wide open. The other two brackets,
the East kind of holding somewhat to form. Villanova looks
like the best team in the tournament so far. Duke
probably looks like the second best team in the tournament

(01:21:43):
so far. And I don't think Duke has got much
of a challenge in the Sweet sixteen now that Syracuse
pulled off the big upset over Michigan State. So Duke
like likely to slide into the Elite eight, maybe to
play against Kansas or potentially we'll see whether Clemson and
continue their run what a win they had over Auburn.
We will discuss all of that and more as as

(01:22:07):
certainly these games come closer and closer on Thursday and Friday,
but the East and the Midwest holding somewhat to form,
the South region has fallen apart, and the West region
has fallen apart as well. We will see exactly what
ends up transpiring there. Obviously, I was out in Las Vegas.
I was out in Las Vegas on Thursday and Friday.

(01:22:28):
Had an incredible time hanging out out there, a bunch
of different business meetings. I think we're gonna have some
cool Vegas related events for OutKick coming forward in ten.
But I had the good fortune to be in a
sports book when Virginia lost to Maryland Baltimore County. I
believe that what will be remembered about this tournament long

(01:22:50):
after it is over is the u NBC win over
U v A. And I think that's the case because
unless your team wins or advances to the final four,
or plays in the title and loses, most of us
do not remember who wins specific years of the n

(01:23:11):
C Double A tournament. For instance, if I told you
right now gun to your head. Who won the title
in was just four years ago? Does anybody know? No, look,
no cheating guys around the horn right now on out kick.
Who won the twenty four teen National Championship in basketball? Well,
I can tell you I believe because it was stripped

(01:23:32):
by the n C double about a month ago when
Louisville won it. Because I remember that for that reason alone.
I think it's weird because I could tell you most
of the champions in the eighties in order, same thing
with the nineties, but once we got to about two thousand,
I don't remember anymore. Year after year, I can tell
you Caroline has won a few, Villanova's won one, like
I can tell you that kind of thing. You can't
tell me years for some reason, the way I used

(01:23:54):
to guys in l A, no cheating. Do you guys
know who won four years ago? Kentucky? It wasn't Kentucky.
I can't tell you what I did two weekends ago.
But I think that's true, right, I mean, so the idea,
what's that was that the duke here when they beat Wisconsin.
I think that was fifteen. I think that would I

(01:24:15):
think that really good Kentucky team that lost to Wisconsin.
I think that was two thousand and fifteen, but it
might have been two thousand and sixteen. I think it
was two thousand and fifteen though, But but my point
is here, we're all pretty big sports fans on this show.
When I just on the spot say who won the
two thousand fourteen national championship, nobody immediately remembers it. Now,

(01:24:36):
I can remember a few random years, like and you're
talking about remembering things from the eighties and the nineties,
maybe there was a less going on, like I remember
Ramo Robinson making the free throws to win it for
Michigan with Steve Fisher right like I can it was
nine h Kansas and Manning. Okay, I do remember that
run too, right. I remember ninety I believe you and

(01:24:58):
lv uh in it, and then ninety one, I think
was when Duke upset U and LV in the final four,
and then Grant Hill had the incredible dunk. And I
think they want anyway I can run through some of
those years easier, I think because there was less of
a frenzy in my life. But again, I bet the
vast majority of you listening to me right now, when
I say who won the title was just four years ago.

(01:25:20):
I guarantee almost all of you listening to me right
now are just like me. And you watch that game,
you have no idea who won it. Now we go
back by the way, pull it up. Who won it?
You know what? We should have known this, Clay, because
we were both at some other network together covering it,
talking about Yukon's amazing backcourt. Oh that's right, Walker, all right,

(01:25:40):
that was the Kimba Walker year. While I watched all
of that, I watched every bit of that of that happened.
You know that happening. Now you tell me about it,
and I remember it. My point here is I believe
that in four years, and it won't even take that long.
It might be two years from now. Most of you
out there are listening to me right now. The only

(01:26:02):
thing you will remember about the eighteen n C Double
A Tournament is probably going to be Virginia losing to
u NBC. Now, if your individual team had a particularly
memorable experience in the tournament, either good or bad, that
will be probably your first thought. For instance, I grew
up a University of Tennessee fan that none and her

(01:26:25):
deal with the devil that allowed Loyola of Chicago to
beat Miami, and now Loyola of Chicago to get the
most improbable bounce that I can remember in the history
of the n C Double A Tournament on a game
winning shot to eliminate Tennessee. I will live with that
for the rest of my life because this bracket has
come wide open. I think if Tennessee had just been

(01:26:47):
able to get a stop on that play, that Tennessee
and Kentucky would probably be playing in the Elite eight
for a trip for the fourth time this season, for
a trip to the Final Four. I I really firmly
believe that because I think Tennessee would beat Nevada down
in Atlanta. I think Kentucky is gonna beat Kansas State.
I really do. I will go to my grave believing

(01:27:09):
that if that nun doesn't trade her soul with the
devil to get two straight wins at the age of
ninety eight years old, that there's no way that ball
bounces the way it does. That woman like, just well,
who's the person is that? Like the mummy who can
suck away your soul and you just die? That's what
that old woman did to me. I think she Benjamin
Button me, I think right now. My wife was like,

(01:27:31):
your hair looks grayer today than it did yesterday. I'm like,
I know, because that old nun she Benjamin Button me,
she's gonna start getting younger now and I'm gonna die
in like a year. I know. That's what happened in
that game. That's what happened. But we have that audio,
by the way, I will find that for you. What
were you gonna say? I was just gonna let you
know so you don't get inundated with tweets? In fourteen
that was actually Napier and Boat, right, So Kevil Walker

(01:27:54):
was even before that was two eleven, was that Kimba Walker.
God see, I'm getting old. All those guys run together, right,
There's no difference to me between Kimball Walker and everybody.
But anyway, my point on that is pretty straightforward. I
watched all those games, but I can't even tell you
who won in This also ties in with my larger
argument the n C Double A Tournament is really the

(01:28:16):
only way that we crown a champion where the end
is not as good as the beginning. I would rather
watch the first weekend of the n C Double A
Tournament Thursday, Friday, Saturday Sunday than the Final four. Nowhere
else would you hear that. You don't hear anybody say,
you know what, if I had to choose between watching

(01:28:36):
the a f C and the NFC Championship game and
the Super Bowl or wild Card weekend in the NFL,
I love wild Card weekend. Nobody would make that argument. Now,
maybe you make the argument you like the divisional round
because there are more games. I understand that argument, But infinitely,
by infinite numbers, more people watch the title game in

(01:28:59):
the Super Bowl and certainly in the college football playoff
then watch the beginning weekend of the championship. Right. I
think that the n C Double A tournament is the
only sport in America you can really say that. Now,
J Mart points out, you know what, the Masters is
better than the FedEx Challenge or whatever the FedEx Cup
it's called at the end? Is it still called the

(01:29:20):
FedEx Cup? And golf? I don't even know. But it's
even But even if you look at it, not even
looking at the FedEx and that's the championship round. But
even if you look at the majors, the Masters is
the most prestigious major. The p G a championship is
the last one and it's also the last one in importance. Yeah,
I think that's true, but you know, all the major's
kind of but the the golf tried to be like, hey,

(01:29:42):
we've got this ten million dollars playoff at the end
of the season. It's a huge deal. Nobody cares. Nobody
cares about that unless you are a diehard golf fan.
Nobody out there is like, you know what, I'd rather
watch the wild Card round in Major League Baseball than
the World Series, even though again I know people are
like everybody's got to be so own or intuitive nowadays, like, well,
sometimes the World Series is not that entertained. Yeah I know,

(01:30:04):
but if you had to choose all of the numbers
come in on the World Series, the ratings, I bet
more people watch the n C Double A Tournament in
the opening weekend then watch the title game of the
n C Double A tournament unless it's just a massive,
perfect matchup, like if Duke in Kentucky play in the
national title game, that will be a blockbuster number. But

(01:30:27):
by and large we don't get a great matchup and
the average and and by the way, it could also
be a total disaster. Uh. For for ratings purposes, imagine
if it were like, what's the worst possible matchup in
terms of interest nationwide? People say they want upsets, but
television ratings show us again and again that what people

(01:30:49):
want is the big golden brand advancing to play for championships.
People say, oh, I love when the Patriots. No you don't.
The numbers reflect that you want to see the Patriots
in the big games. Oh, I'm sick of the Calves.
I don't want to get No you don't. You want
the Calves and the Warriors stick. No, no, you want
the Warriors. The numbers show that the best way to

(01:31:10):
build an audience is to have the biggest brands on
the biggest stages for years in a row. So the
worst case scenario probably in terms of interest. People were like, oh,
it's great that Butler made this run to the title game.
Was that who Butler lost to Yukon? Was that the
two thousand lost the duke? They lost to duke Butler
lost a duke on that shot that Gordon Hayward hit.

(01:31:31):
Didn't they go to the they went the title back
to back years game, didn't didn't they? That's right? That
was that Duke game I remember being Gordon Hayward missed
a runner that would have won the game for Butler,
I believe in two thousand ten or something like that.
And then the next year they went back and I
think they lost to Yukon. I think that was two
thousand eleven. But Butler was a disaster for ratings. But

(01:31:56):
even even though that one game was pretty good against
Duke and they had a chance, Gordon Hayward had a chance,
he almost banked it in to win. The national title
was awful final. That thing was brutabal and Yukon was
up big and it was never close, and all those
things were true. People say they want the underdog to
make the run, but when the underdog actually makes the run,

(01:32:18):
nobody watches. So the worst case scenario matchup is probably
something like Loyola of Chicago, which nobody like, even though
they're in a big city. Like probably like Loyola of Chicago.
I'm trying to think of the worst possible matchup Loyola
of Chicago against who's on the other side of the bracket,
West Virginia. West Virginia would not bring in a lot

(01:32:39):
of people. I'm trying to think of who would be
the least desirable, least interesting team from a national perspective
to meet in the in the national title game, and
it would be a huge upset and it would fulfill
every aspect of the n C Double A tournament, which
is that that what we buy into that anybody could
win at any point. Texas Tech against Loyola of Chicago

(01:33:03):
maybe would be the worst matchup you can possibly imagine.
That's what I'm trying to think of right now. Is
there a worst matchup than Loyola of Chicago against Texas Tech? Y?
I mean, they don't even have Bob Huggins, Like nobody
even knows the coach at Texas Tech Chris Beard. Yeah,
Chris Beard. And it's also, what is Texas Tech like

(01:33:24):
the eighth most popular team in the state of Texas.
I mean, there's Texas and would probably like just lost
our affiliate station out in Lubbock. They're like, oh, we
love this Clay Travis show. We're gonna be like if
you had to rank the Texas programs in terms of
how much people love them right now, Texas and Texas
A and M in college sports are clearly one in two.
Texas has one the biggest A and M would I

(01:33:46):
think pretty clearly be two. Um. I think if you
factor in football, given the dominance that TCU and at
least Baylor have had recently, I think they would have
to be up there. Probably Fife, I mean to be fair,
probably slide them in at the five spot. But in
terms of if you throw tossed me in the Cowboys
and if you toss me in like the Texas Tech

(01:34:09):
is really low on the flow chart of move the
needle teams in the state of Texas, and so I
think probably the worst matchup you could have right now
with the sixteen teams that are available is Texas Tech
against Loyola. Now, it would fill the argument of what
everybody says they want. We want upsets, we want the
idea that anybody could win the title. Okay, all right,

(01:34:31):
congratulations you get Texas Tech against Loyola. Yeah, I'm not
probably not gonna watch that game, probably gonna find something
else to do other than watch Texas Tech and Loyola.
Now I'll watch, but I'm speaking in general of the
American sports fan and ain't moving the needle, And so
it ties in with my argument that I think the
n C Double a tournament is the most exciting way

(01:34:54):
to crown the champion and also simultaneously the worst. There's
no rea and why for playing an entire season that
started in November. Syracuse should season should still be going,
and the University of Virginia season should be over. That's
the truth, right. I don't think anybody out there would say, hey,
you know what, Syracuse really deserves to still be alive

(01:35:18):
for the championship, and Virginia, which was the best team
throughout the course of the regular season, doesn't deserve to
be there now. Granted, when you'll lose by twenty like
Virginia did, and any like we just got a tip
at the last second or a bucket that rolled in,
and you're like, man, we lost a really close game.
Virginia got their ass kicked. And I think that also

(01:35:40):
factors in with what is our larger question here, our
larger question for the day. And I was fascinated to
see the results on this and usually I'm out here, like,
you know what, I agree with the outkicked polsters. Last
night about midnight, I put up Buster Douglas versus Mike
Tyson or u NBC versus uv A A, which is

(01:36:01):
the bigger upset, and U NBC was dominating over Buster Douglas.
So I said, all right, let's expand this after consultation
in the first couple of hours of the show. And
by the way, I encourage all of you out there
to go listen to the OutKick podcast, as millions of
you are every single month. Go downloaded, search out OutKick,

(01:36:21):
Go listen to us. We appreciate it. What are the
four biggest upsets of the past forty years in the
world of sports. I gave you four options. I gave
you US Hockey over USSR in Olympic Hockey. I gave
you a Buster Douglas over Mike Tyson. I gave you

(01:36:41):
app State beating Michigan in the Big House, and U
NBC over uv A. We put this up about an
hour ago on my Twitter feed at Clay Travis. You
can go vote. We've got eleven thousand votes in so far.
What did you guys say was the big get upset?
I'll tell you when I come back. Also, open up

(01:37:03):
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through Twitter mentions, and Zach Eekes says Kimball Walker was
not playing college basketball in you moron? Can you imagine
being this upset? Then I got confused what year Kimball
Walker was playing college basketball? Can youmag just starting off

(01:37:46):
all day? What's that we all did? I mean, who cares?
Move on? Bro? No, no, no, but I mean this
is this is what I love about Twitter. Like you
starting off your day. You're in your car, like driving
to work, and you are arding off your day, and
I'm like, you know, I can't really remember who am.
My point here is that people are going to remember

(01:38:06):
as a nation what happened in the Maryland Baltimore County
game against u v A much more from eighteen, probably
that one versus sixteen upset. Then they are who wins
the actual title? Probably unless we have an unbelievable phenomenal
title game. Unless it's like Douke Kentucky. You know, two

(01:38:27):
big blue blood programs. If we got Nevada Perdue, ain't
nobody watching it and ain't nobody gonna remember what's gonna happen.
If we got Loyola of Chicago against Texas Tech, Yeah,
it's like a season didn't even happen. Now matters. If
you're a fan of those teams, certainly you'll never forget.
It's the greatest moments of your life. But for the nation,
the nation will just be like, yeah, we're gonna move on.

(01:38:50):
Can you imagine being in your car this morning and
you're like, I got confused. I wasn't sure which of
the title teams Kimball Walker was on. Was he on
the two thousand eleven or the two thousand and fourteen
title team? And you stop whatever you're doing in the morning,
and you're like, Kimba Walker was not playing college basketball

(01:39:10):
in you more on, You more on, Because the number
one way to determine whether or not you're a moron
is to remember Kimball Kimball Walker's college basketball career and
remember exactly what years he was playing for Yukon. What
the That's the way that you choose to start off

(01:39:31):
your morning. You're just walking around in your Kimball Walker
throwback Yukon jersey. I can't understand if it was Kimball Walker.
It's like, dude, I wasn't even playing in all right, Well,
you know, probably have a pretty good recollection. You're at
Kimball Walker stand. You need to look in the mirror
and give yourself a really big slap in the face.
What are you doing with your life if you're upset

(01:39:53):
about whether or not I remember what year Kimba Walker
was playing in college. Even Kimball Walker wouldn't have corrected
me on that be like, yeah, you know, people forget
what you knentitled team I was on. Um we are
talking about what the biggest upset was, because what's funny
about what the biggest upset in the last forty years
is all morning people have been emailing me, and they've
been they've been sitting there Twitter messages. Whatever vote you're making,

(01:40:17):
you think that everybody else who's voting something else is
an idiot. It's like, oh, there's only one answer here.
I gotta be honest with you. I think the fact
that pent of you disagree with my opinion here is indefensible.
I think that all of you are completely wrong on this.
Four biggest sports upsets of the last forty years s

(01:40:40):
hockey over USS are Buster Douglas over Mike Tyson. App
State beats Michigan, UNBC over uv A. Got almost thirteen
thousand of you who have voted in the last hour.
You can go check out my Twitter feed at Clay
Travis and cast your own vote, and the hockey game
is winning forty seven percent of the vote. Miracle on

(01:41:01):
ice like Placid U NBC over uv A. Of you
are voting that app State beating Michigan, and I'm blown
away by this. This is why I think we need
a remix of the Mike Tyson career. I just don't
know if people don't remember him. Was I the only
person who was enthralled with Mike Tyson and his career?

(01:41:25):
I don't feel like I was. I felt like everybody
my age was or older. Buster Douglas beating Mike Tyson
at eleven percent of the vote, demonstrably, according to oddsmakers,
Buster Douglas forty two to one underdog against Mike Tyson
in that fight. Even if you are a believer in

(01:41:47):
only recent history. It was just at the best number
you could have gotten, twenty seven to one that U
NBC was going to beat uh uv A. So if
you are just the total recency bias here, just looking
at those numbers, Tyson versus Douglas would have been a

(01:42:09):
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(01:42:31):
and another number one seed is out, Xavier losing to
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(01:42:53):
beat second seeds Cincinnati seventy seventy three. The Bearcats loss
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(01:43:15):
Perdue and a pair of five seeds Clemson and West
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able to find out that you're starting shortstop is gonna
be out eighty games for steroids right before the season starts,

(01:44:00):
not an expert on baseball, doesn't seem like an ideal
thing to find out. But at least they got Kirk
Cousins in Minnesota. Um, we are breaking down a lot
of the biggest stories in the world of the n
C Double A Tournament. I will say this the biggest
upset the four that I gave you those options. A
lot of you are blowing me up on the e
p L Leicester City winning the e p L five

(01:44:23):
thousand to one odds that they would do it. Obviously,
that is a massive upset. And that's a massive upset
that took place over the course of a season which
is almost like a different caliber but I think a
small fraction of my audience is plugged in with ep L.
In fact, what percentage of my audience do you think

(01:44:44):
even knows what ep L stands for? I think you
think it's higher than that, lower than that. Yeah, So
if I tossed start doing breaking down English Premier League
soccer next thing, you know, people be like, Hey, maybe
that ESPN radio isn't so bad. Okay, maybe it wouldn't

(01:45:06):
be that bad. But if I start breaking down EPL
soccer on this show to start off the day, people
are gonna be like, the hell is going on? NC
Double A tournaments going on? People complain about topics all
the time. Imagine if he came on it was like,
I know the INC Double A tournaments going on right now,
but did you see that Tottenham game? I thought that
that Tottenham man, they were really something this past weekend.

(01:45:26):
Is it even EPL season right now? I'm not sure.
I think it's going on right now. And man, I
gotta tell you about this Manchester City boy. They are
just really tearing it up right now. I think most
of you would say, you know what, I have no
idea what you're talking about. You might as well be
speaking foreign language. Now the people who were downloading the
show in England, our second biggest international market, they'd be like,

(01:45:48):
I bully, bully for this guy, Clay Travis. I told you, cheers,
I told you that he was the right guy for us.
Don't even listen to local sports talk radio in London anymore.
Just listen to Clay Travis. And then, by the way,
somehow I got on the mailing list for the British Times.
I get two newspapers every day. I get the New
York Times and I get the Wall Street Journal ream
front to back, make sure that I'm prepared for the day.

(01:46:10):
I also now am somehow on the mail list for
the British the London Sunday Times, the London Times, the
British the British newspaper. I don't know how this happened.
Did somebody give me a free subscription? Are they trying
to infiltrate America? Is this like the Russians going on?
I don't know, but it's kind of crazy. So now
I'm reading the British News every morning when I wake

(01:46:31):
up too, So maybe I gotta make sure that I
get Lester City in there. By the way, we also
had the election going on in Russia. I feel like
we really didn't spend enough time talking about the fact
that Russia invited me to come over and be a
viewer of the Russian election. And I'm not just making
this up. Jason Martin, you can verify this. We work
this show. Can you imagine what that I'm that would

(01:46:52):
have been a pretty big controversy. I feel like if
I had gone to Russia to observe the election, I'm
not kidding about this. People out there like, what are
you tell talking about? We were contacted by Russia. They
brought over some media. Do we know any of the
media that ended up going. Would I have been the
most famous person to do this, No, But I was
thinking about it because I know that you had to
determine between potentially doing that and going to Vegas. Definitely

(01:47:14):
the weirdest phone call I've ever gotten in my life.
Tell people about the treadmill and a lawyer. Yeah, yes,
I'm sitting on a treadmill and this lawyer calls me
and he's He's like, this may sound out landish, but
we I'm kind of part of this committee that's come
up with this idea to send Mr Travis to Russia
as part of this group of onlookers to observe the

(01:47:37):
Russian election. I don't know, like then he went into
all these specifics which I don't really recall because I
stopped after I heard Russian election. I was just like,
oh my god, how did they can't even imagine you
didn't do it. How did they get your phone number?
That's a good question too. I mean email, I understand,
but phone number is not on my Twitter account or
anywhere else. But they got it. I mean they got

(01:47:57):
it pretty quick too, because I think I got the
e mail within a few hours of the phone call,
So they got them both to me really fast, and
then you forwarded the email to me. I mean, first
of all, somebody from Russia calls your cell phone and
it's just like, hey, we want to send Clay Travis
to Russia to observe the election for Russia. Yeah, but
I mean he's contacted by Russia. Yeah, but I mean

(01:48:19):
he's not calling from Russia, yeah, but still a Russian
agent in some way, a man representing Russia got your
cell phone number, which is not public to my knowledge. Right,
It's not like somebody can just type in your your
name on and by the way, you also have an
insanely common name, so it wouldn't even be in theory
that easy to even track you down. You know, Clay

(01:48:42):
Travis is not that common of a name. There aren't
that many guys out there with the name of Clay.
There's gotta be like thousands of Jason Martin's. Right. Yes,
there's actually a Twitter account with a guy that has
my name that follows everybody else that has the name,
and apparently there's like a meet up each year for
all the Jason Martins that want to get together. I've
chosen not to be a party to that that there's
like thousands of people on this Twitter account. Uh So

(01:49:05):
the point is you are not, like, your name is
not so unique that you could just easily be I
don't think sought after and just track down. So you
get a call from Russia. I'm thinking about this because
the Russian election is going on this same weekend and
it's the same time as the n C Double A Tournament,
and so I was already scheduled to be in in
the doing a couple of events out in Vegas for

(01:49:27):
the NC Double A Tournament. But the more I think
about this, the Wilder, It is right. They tried to
get me to come observe the Russian election. Would I
get what I have gotten subpoena over there? Like if
I had gone, Given how much the Russia situation has
continued to grow, I mean, they just killed a dude
in UH in England. They did this is a unbelievable stories.

(01:49:50):
You gotta see that story. They poisoned a former Russian
agent and his daughter to death, according to the British authorities. Like,
this is a crazy story. And so if I had
gone to Russia, can you imagine, Like I feel like
that could have turned into an international incident. Would I
be doing Russia? I guess. I mean I think we

(01:50:14):
discussed it, like trying to figure out if it could
be done. First off, we were like is this a hoax?
But no, I mean listen, yeah, they talked about hotel,
accommodations and food and how you'd be looking through like
a certain glass partition with a bunch of other global
observers UH to this whole deal. And I was just
kind of like, if there's anything that's up Clay's alley,
it's going to watch this poutin election and like periscoping

(01:50:36):
live like while it's happening. But I mean, would I
have got I mean, I am just utterly fascinated by this,
because again, given all the scandal going on with Russia,
I feel like somehow I would have gotten called in
for like a KGB meeting or an FBI meeting or
the c I A. But I kind of wanted to go.

(01:50:58):
I would like to go to Russia. If the US
had been in the World Cup, if we hadn't choked
it away against what was that team we lost to
Trinidad and Tobago. Yeah, I believe that's right. If we
hadn't choked it away against Trinidad and Tobogo. Are you
talking about upsets? Let's getting our asses kicked by Trinidad
and Tobago and all we had to do was tie.
It's pretty big upset knocked this out of the World Cup.

(01:51:19):
I was thinking about going over there because Fox has
got the World Cup. Probably get to hang out in
Red Square. Awesome set, rob Stone, all those cool international
soccer stars they got coming on to do the breakdowns
of the games. I went to the Women's World Cup
in Vancouver, the final between the US and Japan. It
was phenomenal. Everybody who worked on the Women's World Cup

(01:51:42):
in Canada with Fox, they were like, man, this is amazing,
Like that was just a fabulous month for traveling all
over the country the US women wanted. Probably the US
men are gonna stink like they always do. But maybe
we could make it out of the group advanced to
the knockout round. That's a pretty fun trip. But man,

(01:52:03):
I don't know. Maybe I wouldn't have come back. Maybe
they would have given me that stuff that they gave
that guy in Britain. Maybe they love me in Russia.
I don't know why. Where does Russia? Does Russia rank
on our international downloads? Justin Cooper, it's Putin a fan
as he listening. He's got a World Cup, he's got

(01:52:27):
a Super Bowl ring. Maybe I would have gotten to
meet Putin. I don't know. Maybe I should have gone.
You know, I was talking to my wife the other
day when we're talking about this Donald Trump and Kim
Jong Un meeting, and I was thinking to myself, I
think I could be helpful in the meeting. I really do.
My wife said, no, you're you're crazy. I said, no, no,

(01:52:49):
I want you to listen to me. Here. I think
I could be helpful. I think I could be helpful
because Kim Jong un is a massive NBA fan. I'm
not making this up. Leader of North Korea, huge Michael
Jordan fan. You know his relationship with Dennis Rodman. The
guy was obsessed with the Chicago Bulls era dynasty. Probably

(01:53:11):
watches Lebron James and Steph Curry and everybody play every night.
What if I went to North Korea with Donald Trump
and the American broadcasting you know, the American negotiating team,
and has that helped to try to pave over relations
between North Korea and America. If I had Kim Jong

(01:53:34):
Oon on and I agreed that all we would do
is talk about the NBA are assuming that Kim Jong
n speaks English, which I'm guessing he probably does. If not,
it would be amazing radio. If I had a translator
sitting beside me and talking Korean to Kim Jong Oon
back and forth, tell me that you wouldn't think that

(01:53:58):
I couldn't help geopolitical relations. If I took this show
to North Korea, we broadcast there as part of the
negotiations between the US and North Korea, and I tried
to familiarize the American audience with Kim Jong Un, and
I had him on and we just talked NBA. I
think I could be a real asset to the country.

(01:54:20):
If we needed to do that, I would get on
Air Force one. Now I'd briefed myself on all the
NBA history I needed to know, and then we just
me and Kim jongon just kick back, talk about Jordans
back in the day. Get him going on LBJ versus MJ.
How many we gotta talk about this? We gotta talk.

(01:54:43):
We gotta talk about this on the flip side. Because
I don't want to run over. We're gonna go to
a break. Will continue my argument here of why I
could make the world safer by talking to the NBA
with Kim Jong Un. I'm Clay Travis south caake the
coverage on Fox Sports Radio. What does it mean when
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(01:55:03):
or more on car insurance, It means you probably should
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new poll question, are you surprised the Russian government invited

(01:55:25):
me to travel all expenses paid to Russia to observe
the election? Of you say yes? Of you say no?
How are people not surprised that I was invited to
to Russia to observe the election? How are there people
out there like you know what? I kind of expected
for Russia to invite Clay Travis to the election and

(01:55:46):
observe and to observe it. I can't believe that the
pole results today are all out of whack. I don't
know what the hell people are thinking. All right. I
was talking about the fact that I really think that
I could go to North Korea an interview Kim Jong oon,
and I think if he did a good job talking NBA,
I think a lot of you would be like, oh,
this dude's not so bad. Like I think if if

(01:56:06):
if if I had Kim John Oon on and I
had him, and I went all skip bayliss on him,
and I was like, who do you think is better?
Lebron or Michael Jordan's and he got gave a decent answer.
I think a lot of you would be more likely
to trust that he would actually listen to us and
not get nuclear your weapons. I think you'd be like,
you know what, this dude is a Michael Jordan's guy,

(01:56:29):
or this guy is a Lebron James guy. If he
made a legit argument, I think you'd be like, this
is not a hermetically sealed kingdom. He's able to make
an argument between Michael Jordan and Lebron James. He watches
all the NBA games. He might even listen to the show.
He's not that bad of a guy. I think it
would be an incredible interview. I would go right now.

(01:56:52):
People in the Trump administration might be listening. What do
we need to do make this deal happen? You can
offer up Fox Sports Radio interview with Clay Travis live
in North Korea. I'll go to peyong Yang. I'll do
the show live there with Kim Jong un all three hours,
me and him just spitball at NBA talking about a

(01:57:12):
thirty for thirty. ESPN would be so pissed I have
to do a thirty for thirty about me being part
of the nuclear in the nuclear disarmament as we talked
about the NBA be a hell of the story, Jason Martin,
do you want to weigh in? The only thing that

(01:57:33):
that I was suggesting. The question I wanted to ask
that right before we went to the break was how
many consecutive championships Kim Jong oon would claim he won
already in the NBA, how many his father had won,
and how many times he had dominated both m J
and Lebron simultaneously and one on two handicap basketball games.
That's what would happen, because we all know that everyone

(01:57:54):
in North Korea believes that Kim Jong oon has won
like at least five straight NBA champion ships after his
father won like sixty, he claimed that he had all
the hole in ones. I definitely think that he might
claim that he's able to dunk, and I think he
would be the pudgiest Asian man to ever dunk a basketball.
I don't know what the percentages are in general of
Asian men who can dunk. I don't think it's that high,

(01:58:18):
but I certainly know that Asian men who are obese,
like Kim Jong un, in general, being fat makes it
less likely you can dunk. Now, there are exceptions. Oliver Miller.
Back in the day, really fat dude can dunk. Big
Baby got pretty fat, he could dunk. Those guys are
like six seven though six eight Dmitri Hill, remember the

(01:58:38):
meat hook. Some fat guys can dunk. There aren't as
many fat guys playing basketball now as there used to be.
You noticed that back when we were kids, there was
always every team had like a fat guy. I never
understood how the guy could be fat and play basketball.
I still don't. Like, what are you eating off the court?
If you run miles every day on the basketball court

(01:58:59):
and you're still fat at I I never understand. I
still don't. But there's not Who's the fattest guy who
plays in the NBA right now? Bores d l. There
aren't very many fat guys anymore. He used to always
be a fat guy. Everybody's in good shape now, am
I right? Boris dal the fattest guy in the NBA
right now, he's not really fat. I mean he's he's
he's just now, he's just older. Now he's still in

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the NBA. I think he's thinking he's fat. He's the
fattest guy in the NBA. Not that I hate bores,
d or anything. And obviously I hate stereotyping fat people.
It's awful to be fat. I wish you were not.
He's fat. He's the fattest guy in the NBA. You
just say he's He's in the French League. Now, well
I don't. Yeah, that's what he's listed at Donald Trump's

(01:59:47):
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