December 4, 2024 • 40 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the NFL hands down the suspension on Azeez Al-Shaair but it the criticism too harsh? Aaron Rodgers receives too much blame for the dysfunction in New York. And the MLB floats out a stupid “Golden At-Bat Rule.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming up on
this Wednesday edition, We're going to have the usuals. Of course,
we've got our midweek awards. Petros Papadaega is going to
stop by and we're going to close up shop with
Lee's leftovers. We're also going to have a discussion about
somebody in the NFL who's been painted in the wrong picture,
apparently by his organization. We're going to discuss the very
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latest on Aaron Rodgers future. What's the future for Mike
McCarthy in Dallas when it comes to the Cowboys head
coaching gig. He's getting a lot of support from Dak,
from Jerry Jones, from others there. We're going to discuss
the dysfunction in Chicago and apparently somebody who's won a
bunch of games is still on the hot seat in
the NFL. We'll get into that for you all next
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here on a Wednesday, Two Pros and a Cup of Joe,
Fox Sports Radio.
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Speaker 3 (02:04):
So that do give so much information that I just
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and that's okay, get you a little bit of rest
for that brain.
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Your brain don't need no rest because you don't use
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If you get something from Rob about Rob, consider yourself
lucky because that means you're on the friend list, or.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
If you get something from from me, because I like
making things about me as well, like yesterday's text message
that I sent out. Did you like that somebody somebody
could get Burdo? Oh you gotta go look at it. Yeah,
you gotta go look at it.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
By the way, those the comments about berdo hit a
little bit too close to home.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yeah, you know, you know it's all done and good
good nature.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
But nonetheless, what wasn't done in good nature is the.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Somebody get.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
And by the way, you're not lying, No, I'll see
a few of those on christ receives a picture of
a dude.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
That looks just like Berto and the caption is when
you're recently divorced, t O shows up to Thanksgiving dinner
and his shirt is button he only he only has
one button above the belt.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
That is his button. Oh yeah, and he's got a what.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Would look like a rosary, you know, around his neck
and beats and then the gold one with the cross
up top and that patented uh you know that caterpillar
across the front the upper lip.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Oh yeah, listen the in laws, Uh, I mean every
single get together it's that is that with a pair
of cowboy boots like a cowboy? Yeah, if you go
further down, Oh yeah, yeah, it doesn't even do they
have the spurs?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Did they have the spurs on the mill? No, they
don't go down.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I mean that's after two am. And then you know,
from there on out, you just kind of, you know,
you realize.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
What it was.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
In a while, we'll see a dude walking his jackasses
around his burrows, his blos and and riding riding horses
like where I'm at, Like on the street, hiding towards
the trail.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Welcome to southern California, where you just there's all sorts
of weird stuff here.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Man.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
You know, I could take it a little deeper, but
I ain't going so I'm gonna stay right right on
then on, you know, I'm just tip it right there.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Well, well let's get a little bit deeper into the
conversation here. Because Aziz al Shahir, the Texans linebasher who
lit up Trevor Lawrence on the play that caused the
fight and the ejection over the weekend, he was suspended
by the NFL three games, and so there was a
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statement that was released by the NFL. It was VP
of Football offs John Runyon who released the statement, and
amongst the things that he said in the statement, he said, quote,
after the illegal hit, you proceeded to engage in a brawl,
which you escalated when you pulled an opponent down to
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the ground by his face mask. After the referee announced
that you were disqualified for the hit and you're on
sportsmanlike act, you removed your helmet and re engage with
your opponent while walking down across the field, which started
another physical confrontation near the end zone. He went on
to say, your lack of sportsmanship and respect for the
game of football and all all of those who play,
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coach and enjoy watching it is troubling. It does not
reflect the core values of the NFL. Your continued disregard
for NFL playing rules puts the health and safety of
both you and your opponents in jeopardy and will not
be tolerated. End quote. Now pretty strong statement you.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Never want your employer.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah, that's just not a statement you would want to
have released.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Nick Cassario, the GM for the Texans, he was not
pleased with that comment and decided to stick up for
his guy.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Yesterday, look, it is what it is.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
I think the big thing from our standpoint, and all
teams want this, it's just some level of consistency. And
we've talked to the league quite frankly, but we don't
have a good explanation. Tomiko talked to him yesterday, So
I mean, it is what it is. I'm sure a
Zis will go through whatever process he's going to go
through and then we'll deal with it accordingly. But I
think what we take umbradge is is just the picture
that's been painted about disease, his intentions, who he is
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a person. I mean it's quite frankly, it's bull and
it's unfair to the individual. It's unfair of the organization.
I mean, we love everything about as he's all shai er,
what he means to this team, what he brings to
this to this team, and that for the league to
make some of the commentary that he made about lack
of sportsmanship, lack of coachability, lack of paying attention to
the rules, quite frankly, it's embarrassing. So I think the
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big thing from our and they're talking about a player
who's never been suspended, never been ejected, So now we're
saying that he's going to be suspended for three games.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Look, I can understand why they're going to stick up
for their guy, but that's a pretty brutal hit man
and to see. I actually, and I was thinking about
this yesterday. Do you believe if Trevor Lawrence hadn't posted
up with the clear sign of being concussed like we've
seen two have when he do you think if he
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would have just kind of gotten up and kind of
thrown his hands up and been like, what the hell
was that? There's no way it's a three game suspension.
I think No, No, I think it's the same you think, so, yeah,
I think I think the optics of Trevor Lawrence on
the ground, you know, throwing his hands.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Up, that just made it worse, and it made it worse,
and that's what the fans are consuming. So while I
believe the results would have been the same, there still
would have been a fight, He still would have got ejected,
he still would have got a three game suspension. He's
still going to get fine, what he's going to get fined.
John Runyon still would have shit what he was going
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to say about you know, uh Aziz uh it's just
that Trevor would have got up. I really think that
this is it's it's so interesting. You gotta you gotta
take this at what the face value of it represents,
which is this is the direction that the league it's
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taking the game. You don't want to have how much
did Trevor Lawrence make.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Oh god, two hundred something million dollar? You don't just
names on the stadium for christ say.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
You don't want and this is it comes down to.
There's the dilemma I'm faced with when I look at
these types of situations play out because that was, you know,
in my playing day, that was par for the course,
Like you could see a hit like that happen every
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other play again.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
It was funny.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I had a group group group chat going with with
some other guys that played defense in the lead.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
We we have a group chat and we.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Were chiming in I'll leave the names out because it's
not not worth being a name dropper. But it was
like guys were like, we're really kind of laughing about
it because it's it's it was so commonplace too to
like try to take dudes out like that was part
of the game, take take dudes out.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
So we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
It, and if you really think about it, what would
be the percentage if you were to go through all
the names that rest in the Hall of Fame on
the defensive side of the ball, what do you think
the percentage would be of players that would have never
been able to make it into the league because of
their style of play?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
God, I mean, and let's take it a step further, because,
like again, when it's one thing to keep it on
the field and how it happens on the field, but
then you start to kind of look at okay, when
you hear a criticism like what Runying statement represented, and
at times Runying was a dirty player.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
I played against John Runyon for many years.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
I don't even think it's just defensive players. You remember
all the highlights of Walter Payton and Earl Campbell lowering
their helmet.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Well, that's a whole that's a whole nother conversation what
offensive players are. Because I still don't understand how an
offensive player is able to stiff arm a person in
his face mask and push him by his face mask.
But if you were to do the same exact thing,
like he can grab and shove you down and if
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you do it back, if you touch his face, if
you touch his face mask, grab on his face mask
the same way he's grabbing on yours. It's a flag.
They're like, there's a lot of things that offensive guys
get away with. But my point, my point is, is
then you start to kind of attack the young man's character.
Now I don't know him. I don't know him to
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defend his character. But what I will say is is
probably John Runyon doesn't know him either. And I will
say my dilemma here is I know you're trying to
clean up the league, and I know that there's the
idea of making sure that player safety is a priority
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because of all of the concerns that arose from the
movie Concussion and CTE and all these players that have,
you know, these issues with their brains and guys taking
their own lives. I understand all of that. I think
the dilemma I find myself in is are you really
are you really going this hard on it based upon
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the safety aspect of it, or are you going hard
on it based upon the investment part of it? Like
for instance, for instance, if a running back was running
and he got hit like that, right, is that man
getting the three mats?
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Is he getting a three game suspension? First off?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Maybe he's And let's take away the sliding element of it, right.
A running back is running, a defensive player comes in
and hits him violently and makes contact with him. We've
seen it happen a few times this year. They get
a personal foul, it's a fifteen year penalty automatic first down,
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this is your first infraction. I mean, I don't know
that we've even seen a guy get actually kicked out
for a malicious hit on any any other position on
the field. I mean, is there do we know of
any that have taken place this year?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Uh? Not that I can think of, which is why
I think Running was pretty specific about the stuff that
happened afterwards being part of the punishment.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Well again, if you want to throw the melees that
took place after Like, didn't we just see a game
where every single play for about an entire two or
three series between the Ravens and the Steelers, they were fighting.
They were fighting literally after every play. No, I don't
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think anybody even got kicked out. I don't even think
anybody got kicked out.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, probably not.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
So when I look at how they handled this and
the way they approached it. I feel like, as somebody
who played a physical style in the physical brand of
football when I played, I look at it and I say,
it's more about protecting the investment of the quarterback's position
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than it is about the total health and safety of
the game, because it's actually it's it's to me, it's
impossible to sit there and create a fine line black
and white in terms of how things are being regulated
in terms of the safety of a full contact sport
of football because all intensive purposes, the defenders are in
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a position where it has to be a physical and
considerably brutal, brutal sport on your body and who it
is you're playing against. You know, the shelf life on
a running back is three and a half seasons, three
and a half years. You know why it's three and
a half years because of the brutality that takes place
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in the toll in the tear wearing, tear on their body.
Offensive lineman, defensive linemen, the brutality that takes place every
single play. So and I get look, you put in rules,
you take away head slap, you take away clothes lines,
you take away chop blocks, you take away high lows.
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I mean, but the amount of attention that has been
paid to the quarterback position in particular, I think it's
and I hate to say it, because it wasn't ugly hit, Like,
I don't want to diminish and take away from what
the hit represented, but I think you still have to
follow the money on this situation, Jonas. I really think
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that if it's anyone else on that field, it's not
blown out of proportion to this level. It's really not.
I think some way, somehow we have placed this halo,
this protective covering over quarterbacks, and now there's this whole
deal of quarterbacks are just more important than any other
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person that's on that field. And the way it's handled,
the way it's legislated, the way that it is monitored,
it's all based around the protection and the benefits of
what the quarterback represents to the game.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
It's like the and I always argue this the gambling
stuff when it comes to the NFL, if you like,
when a player gets accused or caught gambling or they're
betting on games or whatever, they're betting on college football games.
In the case of the Lions, who had some guys
and the NFL goes out and it's Calvin Ridley and
he gets suspended for an entire season. The punishment doesn't
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fit the crime, but the optics of it do. And
I think that when the NFL hands down some of
these punishments like this one, I think this is a hey,
we we understand, but do you understand why we have.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
To make this move? Do not hit the quarterback? I mean,
do not hit the quarterback. That's what this say is
to me, is as ugly as that hit looks is. Again,
and I may come across as sounding insensitive, but I
just understand the game and how the game has been
played and how many how many.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Players have played this game at the level they played
it at.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
That is not the most egregious hit you're going to
see take place in football games.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
It's just not it's who it happened to. It's who
got hit.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
It's how that who got hit, And that, to me
is what the outrage is is about. And that's why
there's been this whole age old, you know, kind of
debate on even even turning it into because I don't
think it's a race thing at all, But when you
think about when when you know they've made comparisons where
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Cam Newton is able to be hit late, or Lamar
Jackson or Robert Griffin. You see the theme that I'm
going with here. They're able to be hit late, but
there's no flags or there's nothing that takes place when
they get hit when they're running because they're virtually or
in essence, they're viewed as a running back. So apparently
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the refs aren't able to manage their running the same
way they would manage the other quarterbacks that are are
running when they run. So to me, when I look
at what's taking place right here, right now, this is
a line in the sand, a further a further confirmation
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that you are not to touch, you're not to hit
the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
But isn't this about the like in those cases like
if Trevor Lawrence is trying to run and dive for
a first down and gets lit up and knocked out,
completely different discussion. It's the fact that he was going
into a slide and and look, I also think, and
this is why I can't stand targeting. I can't stand
some of the penalties that are called because you're asking
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a player in real time, in full.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Speed to like they have to really digest a whole
lot like at a like And I think that's what
the point you're making is a good point. Well, it's
like it's like in baseball.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Imagine if all of a sudden, the strike zone was
moving to where all it's it's it's going around in
a circle, and you got to throw a strike. If
you're the picture, you're like, hold on a second, like
where like where do I throw to to get a
strike call? And you're asking defenders like where can I
hit in real time with everything moving? Where can I
go to get a strike call that's not going to
get flagged for a penalty. I think it's the fact
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that he was sliding, And I'm telling you, I think
it's the way that he looked after the hit that
really scared people.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
It did scare people, punishment.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
It did.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
I don't think it scared him into the punishment.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
I think it's the reality of it is that you
do not want your highest paid superstar marquis marquee.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Talent on the field on the sideline.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Like to me, I feel like that's what this ultimately
comes down to, because guys getting knocked out. I would
be curious to know how many concussions have taken place
on Sundays or Saturdays this year. How many times do
we see it turn into The only time we see
it turn into really a big story is when it's
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a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I look, why do you think I argue about ja
Kwan Brisker, Like it's a great example. I mean, he
still has yet to play, and he's on IR and
that happened in October, and they put him back in
the game.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
And that was a play that was brutal hit.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yes, And that was a play where the receiver, the
tight end, Tommy Tremble, lowered his helmet and hit Jakwan Brisker,
and Tommy Tremble got fined after the game good and
and and but yet for some reason Kwan Brisker was
allowed to stay in the game and not evaluate it.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
And but that's a great it's a great example of
what I'm saying. So the bottom line here is John Runyon,
that's mock outrage and and you should choose your words
more carefully because you don't you don't know I'm I'm
I'm pretty pretty certain you don't know Asease well enough
to call his character in the question to that degree.
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We've all had our moments where we get caught up
in in in a game. If you're a competitor and
if something doesn't go go completely right and you get
into a scuffle or whatever, it may be that you
may have handled things in a way that you may regret.
The man came out and apologize for what took play.
I just think that the approach of it, you know,
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I don't know. I you're protecting quarterbacks. That's fine. Tell
them not to run, tell them not to run. The
blow I keep saying it blow the play did when
you get close to the quarterback, make it touch, give
them a flag, whatever it is. But you don't have
to keep dancing around the fact that you're protecting. This
is all about protection of the quarterback. That's really what
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this comes down to. Like we could talk about the
brawl and that is what it is, but the idea
of it, it really comes down to the fact that
you're protecting quarterbacks. And that's to me, that's all. Is
not justifying a hit at all, not justifying the hit,
and the rules are the rules about about the rules,
But this is all about protecting the quarterback. That's my
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dilemma here is it safety, or is it you're protecting
a certain skill group because everybody's subject to the same
type of brutality on that football field.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
It's Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here, Fox
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Petros popa Acus will stop by an hour three and
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the NFL is still ready to go despite a terrible season.
You will hear from him next here on FSR.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
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Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here coming up in
about fifteen minutes from now, We are going to tell
you about one of the dumbest ideas that's ever been
presented of the sports world. I can't even believe this
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We will get into that discussion for you here on FSR.
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Your guy Aaron Rodgers quarterback, yep, you know, not playing
all that hot this year. You know, there was also
a I kind of forget who the player was. It
might have been Leonard Williams who said one of the
things that he's noticed about Rogers is that he doesn't
like the hits as much like it feels like, you know,
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maybe it's having more of an impact on him at
his at this age of his stage of his career,
at his age, I believe he just turned forty one,
if I'm not mistaken. But Rogers did make his weekly
appearance on the Pat McAfee show starring AJ Hawk, and
he did talk about what his plan is moving forward,
amidst all the speculation that maybe they would bench him
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for Tyrod Taylor.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
You know, I want to be out there with my
guys in battle as long as I feel healthy, body
feels as good as it felt whether Fortunately, unfortunately for
the situation. Body feels great. I want to be out there.
I want to be out there with the guys. I
want to have a lot of pride in playing. You know,
one of my goals this year coming back from the
Achilles was to play all seventeen games. I assume that
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would be seventeen plus whatever playoff games we played in. Obviously,
that hasn't been the case this year. So we still
got five games left and would love to be out
there battling with the guys.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
You know, he's not out there trying to mail in
the season. He ain't quitting on the season. He's out
there for his teammates, and he's out there ready to
go amidst a bad year for the Jets.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Not all his fault, just a lot of it is,
but it's not all his fault.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I mean, at least he's bringing attention to the franchise.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
I'm interested is he's saying that to stay face, you know,
to kind of save his reputation, because I feel as
though maybe his reputation took a bit of a hit,
you know, since being in New York, things that I
almost feel like he could have he kind of navigated
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through in Green Bay. It was tolerated. It was even
at times just it was accepted for what it was.
That's just Aaron Rodgers being Aaron Rodgers. You know, that
didn't work. That has not worked in New York. And
a lot of the conversation leading up to him going,
if you recall, was the media coverage. In the way
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the media handles things in New York is much much
different than anywhere else he could have gone anywhere, especially
in terms of football specific because media is crazy in California.
Two biggest media markets California New York. But New York
is actually a sports like a serious sports town in
terms of football and basketball, and the coverage is very
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fierce in that market. So I knew it was going
to be a challenge for him because no matter what
you do, you're only as good as your last game.
You're only as good as your last play. And his
way of interacting with the media was going to be
an interesting, you know, interesting thing moving into that media market.
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It hasn't worked out, but it's not all on Aaron Rodgers. Now,
maybe his reputation has preceded him and what people were
going to feel about him and what they were going
to write about him. And report about him were already
going to be somewhat maybe skewed a little bit, just
based off of the persona people received watching him through
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the years in Green Bay. Maybe it's fair, maybe it's not,
but that's what he brought with him, and I don't
I'm not certain that it's not fair to give Aaron
Rodgers the benefit of the doubt in this this situation.
I just know that if he's saying he still wants
to play and this is something that he's really really
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like passionate about, I just don't. I just don't think
that this should solely be placed at his feet and
it's like, all right, let's move on from Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Aaron Rodgers isn't good enough to do it.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Maybe he is getting an aged, you know, getting a
little older. Maybe he doesn't like getting hit as much.
I don't know, but I mean, what's your alternative? Like
that's that's what's your altern.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
That's my thought when people are throwing out the idea
of like, well it's you know, it's time to time
to sit Rogers, you know, with.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Five games left. Yeah's and he still wants to what's
the alternate?
Speaker 1 (29:25):
What's the point and This is not a knock on
Tyrod Taylor. Tyrod Taylor's had, you know, a good career
and you know has found himself in a lot of
interesting spots when it comes to quarterback situations. I mean,
the guy got stabbed by the Chargers training staff, which
led to Justin Herbert getting in. But like, I look
at it and I go why at this point, what
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does it matter?
Speaker 3 (29:46):
I don't care? Like, Okay, so we use Tyrod Taylor
as the name you're going to put in. There's five
games left, yeah, five, there's five games left, and you're
at two wins, three wins.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Three wins.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
We're not talking about a developmental quarterback behind him, and
it's see what we got?
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Correct?
Speaker 3 (30:01):
So what what is the point? Like, what's the why?
Is that an alternative? Is what I'm saying. What are
you trying to accomplish by putting Tyrod Taylor in? You're
not preserving Aaron Rodgers for a trade. You're not preserving
Aaron Rodgers for next season. What he wants to play?
Why are you putting Tyrod Taylor?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
He just said, like, none of it makes sense.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
But again, that goes back to the point of it's
not all Aaron Rodgers' fault.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
He's played a part in some of it.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
He's played a role in some of this dysfunction that
has taking place since he's gotten there.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
But by no means is he the.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Catalyst for the dysfunction that you see playing out in
New York and why this team is struggling the way
that it is.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
It's not Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
So it kind of in a way, it's it's, you know,
the whole fair thing, however you want to use it.
But is it really fair of him to be judged
on the level that he's being Like, this is all
about Aaron Rodgers and what Aaron Rodgers is going to
do based upon how poorly the team is doing. But
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we're not talking about all the other players that's out
there on that field. This team is losing as a team.
So throw out all the names that come to mind
when you think of this New York Jets team, because
they're all getting those ls in the in the loser column.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I mean, the old line's not played well. You know
what happened, Like, let me listen, Davante Adams had a
bad drop that hasn't gone well, Like basically anything that
the Jets have touched over the past, I don't know,
twenty years, hasn't hasn't been well, Like, hasn't done well
outside of the Rex Ryan era, which you know, if
he wants back in, have fun and then have at it.
(31:43):
But that's why I just look at it and I go,
at this point, what does it matter. It's like having
a kid. You just realize at a certain point, just
wait until the mess is completely over before you clean up.
You know, like like if you're just gonna stop and.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Say you should clean up as you go, I'm a
clean up as you go.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
To Yeah, listen, I was the same way, and then
I realized there's no point in me putting those monster
trucks away. He's just going to get him out. I'll
wait until the end of the night. And I just
got to hope to god it on step on one
and break my neck. So I'll just wait until the
end of the night and then I'll clean him up
because he just keeps going back to him. So at
this point, just keep going back to Rogers, like throw
(32:24):
him out there. It's he's good for business. He makes
them like that. That's a reason to watch. Yeah, he's
going to watch, So you're going to watch.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
I just don't think that it's right to put the
like the weight of all of this on Aaron Rodgers
and Aaron Rodgers having to, you know, address it the
way that he's addressing it, just based upon how.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Things are being handled in New York.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I don't I don't find that to be appropriate for
the situation or the scenario. I think you got to
take a deeper, harder look at at this, the systemic
failure of the franchise, if you're going to start with
trying to fix it, and honestly speaking, if you do that,
then you know, maybe the results that you get change
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a little quicker because you have a guy like Aaron
Rodgers who wants to play. Maybe it turns a little quicker,
but maybe it doesn't. I don't know, But I don't
think that this is a symptom of the Aaron Rodgers effect.
I think that's overstated and overblown. If that's what people
are thinking why the Jets are struggling.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
It's two pros and a cup of Joe here Fox
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Speaker 2 (34:31):
Sometimes you can't get to everything in the world of
sports or entertainment. Good thing. The guys are here to
bring you in case you missed.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
It, and for that we turn it over to our
executive producer, Lee.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
Lap Good morning, everybody, Good morning, Jonas, Good morning LeVar. Hey, guys,
in case you miss this, uh, something that's been floating
around the MLB world.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
The MLB is exploring the.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
New Golden at bat rule that would fundamentally change the game.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
The idea is pretty simple.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
Once a game, a manager gets to put his best
batter at the at the plate, regardless of where the
batting order stands go. We can go into more detail,
but I don't think we really need to because it's
a pretty dumb rule. I don't know about you, guys.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
It's Hayley, Hey Brady. It's one of the dumbest ideas
I've ever heard. So at any point in the game,
you can just pick a different batter to come up
and and go into the game. Okay, So, like if
that's what we're doing, then, like, at any point during
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a Patriots game, can they just call Tom Brady and
have him play quarterback? Like, like that's how this works.
It's baseball. You have lineups for a reason, you have
a setup for a reason.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
And the idea though, what's the difference between a pinch hitter.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Well, a pinch hitter, you it depends on where you're
at in the lineup, and you know, you can have
him getting at bat and and there could be a
double switch, there could be. But this idea is at
any point during the game, regardless of where the batting
order is, you can just have somebody else hit and could.
Speaker 6 (36:11):
You theoretically have a hit or hit two times in
a row, like even if they're on first you put.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
It oh yeah, yeah, like put in a ghost runner
and then have them come up.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Like that's what they're saying.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
That's what people are asking, like wait a second, to
what end are we doing this? And Baseball's like, well,
you know where, Like they're trying to come up with
ideas to freshen up the game. Like the pitch clock worked,
it's sped up the game. Uh you know, the idea
of the bigger bases. Uh, not not a fan. I
think it's kind of skewed some of the numbers historically
(36:43):
when it comes to that, As Rob Parker says, I
mean you're basically sliding into pizza boxes now, so like
all of that, Like, there's been some ideas that they've
thrown out there that have been fun, but this one
is just dumb.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
The landed pick golf attemps at first base, that's.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Like it's interesting, like some of those ideas, Like all
of that is like, and I'm not opposed to being
wrong about an idea. When the NFL moved back the
pat to thirty three yards, I thought it was stupid,
like why are we doing this? No, as it turns out,
like all of a sudden that like like gave kickers
fits like Adam VIVENTENTI almost retired early because he was
having an issue making extra points. So like all of
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that has worked. This is just a terrible idea.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
I mean, I'm not the biggest baseball fan, but just
at face face value of looking at it, I mean
I just thought a pinch hitter is the guy that
you choose, Like, all right, we want to put a
better guy up to bat in this moment, we're going
to pinch hit.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
I thought that was like it It also feels like
this is the heat check, like major League Baseball's likeps.
I think it was Jason Stark, who reported at first
Major League Baseball hit up Jason Stark and was like, hey,
would you throw this out there? Just see what the
reaction is. I do think they've been cwned by everybody.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Do find it to be interesting if a guy hits
the ball and he's like, say he's like Judge or somebody,
and he's on second base, and you're like, you know what, the.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Game is on the line, Like.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Let's give you another. Let's get you another go at it,
you know what I mean? But hey, you get out Hey, buddy,
you get out there and get on the base for aaron.
You just tell us about the way do you get
to choose who go? Like, say you have a Ricky
Henderson on your team, you put Ricky Henderson on a
second base so he can steal third third, and like,
cause that gives you an advantage too, Right, If.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
It's a Tawny you're like, hey, get his interpreter out there,
tell me to go he needs to go bad again,
you know, just just make sure he's not gambler.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Then you put a better base runner on that might
not be as good a hit her, right exactly?
Speaker 6 (38:45):
Okay, it works for like the Savannah bananas in that league.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Yeah, but that's a totally different game. Yeah, minor league baseball.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
I don't mind.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
You know, you want to you want to add some
spice to this stuff and then do what you gotta
do to try and get people to go to the games.
But my man, this is ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
What else we got?
Speaker 6 (39:02):
Lee guys in a wild story? According to a new
search work obtained by TMZ, cops in Minnesota say they
have obtained a thumb drive they were told has a
recording of OJ Simpson admitting to the double murder of
Nicole and Ron, also implicating an unknown third party. But
just so you know, the latest update is that the
LAPD tells CMZ that this thumb drive contained nothing of
(39:25):
evidentiary value.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
I mean, in the OJ ESPN documentary, one of his buddies,
and I remember this because I'm a fan of the
beer Rolling Rock one of his buddies was saying, Yeah,
we were sitting out in OJ's backyard. I'll never forget it.
We were drinking Rolling Rocks and OJ asked me if
I thought that he did it, and OJ basically admitted that, yeah,
(39:51):
you're right, Like he's like, it's already it admitted it basically.
But yeah, like in that documentary, the way they played.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
It out, you know, he pretty much admitted it. So
you know, what, what does it matter?
Speaker 1 (40:05):
I think we all know.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Has his estate already been did he even have like
a large estate, like I don't, you know, what does
it even matter?
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Did Marcus Allen have any of it? But I'm just asking.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
I need to go to break
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
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Lee's leftovers. We're also going to have a discussion about
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apparently by his organization. We're going to discuss the very
(00:23):
latest on Aaron Rodgers future. What's the future for Mike
McCarthy in Dallas when it comes to the Cowboys head
coaching gig. He's getting a lot of support from Dak,
from Jerry Jones, from others there. We're going to discuss
the dysfunction in Chicago and apparently somebody who's won a
bunch of games is still on the hot seat in
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here on a Wednesday, Two Pros and a Cup of Joe,
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I was supposed to be a drummer in a previous life.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
It's hard to do, man. You gotta be able to
get different body parts to do different things at the
same time.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Like I said, than I'm supposed to be a drummer.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Like you gotta do the thing where you you gotta
pat yourself on the head and rub your stomach and circles.
If you can do that at the same time, you
got a shot.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
I can walk into gum at the same time.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Right Like, if you go like this, there, you got
a shot.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
You gotta shot.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I'm one of the most coordinated dude Joe ever meet.
Hell yeah, I'm nice with these hands, yeah, and these feet.
Hell yeah, Andy's knees. You want to keep going?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Damn, it's good to break now. It is two pros
and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington,
CROs Jonas Knox with you here, No, Brady Quinn h listen.
Quinn's winds has been brutal so because of that, and
he needs to set this one out and this is
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just how this is going to be today.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
So that do give so much information that I just
think that his brain needs rest sometimes, you know, I mean,
and that's okay, get you a little bit of rest
for that brain.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Man.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Me I'm everyday Jay so I don't even know you
know what that is all about.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Your brain don't need no rest because you don't use
much of it. Damn you, white dog. It's all good man.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
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Speaker 4 (03:02):
Be like we'd like the new Odd Couple.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Stop it?
Speaker 4 (03:09):
What do you mean? What do you mean? Rob?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Listen man? Rob loves him some Rob you know one?
Now you know you're on Rob's friend list. When you
just get random clips of Rob, and it could be
stuff from his day's back East, it could be stuff
from his days at espn Uh. It could be stuff
from the Odd Couple with kelvin Washington, it could it
(03:35):
could there could be stuff from TV like whatever he'd like.
If you get something from Rob about Rob, consider yourself
lucky because that means you're on the friend list, or.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
If you get something from from me, because I like
making things about me as well, like yesterday's text message
that I sent out. Did you like that somebody somebody
could get Burdo? Oh you gotta go look at it. Yeah,
you gotta go look at it.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
By the way, those the comments about berdo hit a
little bit too close to home.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yeah, you know, you know it's all done and good
good nature.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
But nonetheless, what wasn't done in good nature is the.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Somebody get.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
And by the way, you're not lying, No, I'll see
a few of those on christ receives a picture of
a dude.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
That looks just like Berto and the caption is when
you're recently divorced, t O shows up to Thanksgiving dinner
and his shirt is button he only he only has
one button above the belt.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
That is his button. Oh yeah, and he's got a what.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Would look like a rosary, you know, around his neck
and beats and then the gold one with the cross
up top and that patented uh you know that caterpillar
across the front the upper lip.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Oh yeah, listen the in laws, Uh, I mean every
single get together it's that is that with a pair
of cowboy boots like a cowboy? Yeah, if you go
further down, Oh yeah, yeah, it doesn't even do they
have the spurs?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Did they have the spurs on the mill? No, they
don't go down.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I mean that's after two am. And then you know,
from there on out, you just kind of, you know,
you realize.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
What it was.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
In a while, we'll see a dude walking his jackasses
around his burrows, his blos and and riding riding horses
like where I'm at, Like on the street, hiding towards
the trail.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Welcome to southern California, where you just there's all sorts
of weird stuff here.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Man.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
You know, I could take it a little deeper, but
I ain't going so I'm gonna stay right right on
then on, you know, I'm just tip it right there.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Well, well let's get a little bit deeper into the
conversation here. Because Aziz al Shahir, the Texans linebasher who
lit up Trevor Lawrence on the play that caused the
fight and the ejection over the weekend, he was suspended
by the NFL three games, and so there was a
(06:19):
statement that was released by the NFL. It was VP
of Football offs John Runyon who released the statement, and
amongst the things that he said in the statement, he said, quote,
after the illegal hit, you proceeded to engage in a brawl,
which you escalated when you pulled an opponent down to
(06:40):
the ground by his face mask. After the referee announced
that you were disqualified for the hit and you're on
sportsmanlike act, you removed your helmet and re engage with
your opponent while walking down across the field, which started
another physical confrontation near the end zone. He went on
to say, your lack of sportsmanship and respect for the
game of football and all all of those who play,
(07:01):
coach and enjoy watching it is troubling. It does not
reflect the core values of the NFL. Your continued disregard
for NFL playing rules puts the health and safety of
both you and your opponents in jeopardy and will not
be tolerated. End quote. Now pretty strong statement you.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Never want your employer.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah, that's just not a statement you would want to
have released.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Nick Cassario, the GM for the Texans, he was not
pleased with that comment and decided to stick up for
his guy.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Yesterday, look, it is what it is.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
I think the big thing from our standpoint, and all
teams want this, it's just some level of consistency. And
we've talked to the league quite frankly, but we don't
have a good explanation. Tomiko talked to him yesterday, So
I mean, it is what it is. I'm sure a
Zis will go through whatever process he's going to go
through and then we'll deal with it accordingly. But I
think what we take umbradge is is just the picture
that's been painted about disease, his intentions, who he is
(08:00):
a person. I mean it's quite frankly, it's bull and
it's unfair to the individual. It's unfair of the organization.
I mean, we love everything about as he's all shai er,
what he means to this team, what he brings to
this to this team, and that for the league to
make some of the commentary that he made about lack
of sportsmanship, lack of coachability, lack of paying attention to
the rules, quite frankly, it's embarrassing. So I think the
(08:21):
big thing from our and they're talking about a player
who's never been suspended, never been ejected, So now we're
saying that he's going to be suspended for three games.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Look, I can understand why they're going to stick up
for their guy, but that's a pretty brutal hit man
and to see. I actually, and I was thinking about
this yesterday. Do you believe if Trevor Lawrence hadn't posted
up with the clear sign of being concussed like we've
seen two have when he do you think if he
(08:54):
would have just kind of gotten up and kind of
thrown his hands up and been like, what the hell
was that? There's no way it's a three game suspension.
I think No, No, I think it's the same you think, so, yeah,
I think I think the optics of Trevor Lawrence on
the ground, you know, throwing his hands.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Up, that just made it worse, and it made it worse,
and that's what the fans are consuming. So while I
believe the results would have been the same, there still
would have been a fight, He still would have got ejected,
he still would have got a three game suspension. He's
still going to get fine, what he's going to get fined.
John Runyon still would have shit what he was going
(09:32):
to say about you know, uh Aziz uh it's just
that Trevor would have got up. I really think that
this is it's it's so interesting. You gotta you gotta
take this at what the face value of it represents,
which is this is the direction that the league it's
(09:52):
taking the game. You don't want to have how much
did Trevor Lawrence make.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Oh god, two hundred something million dollar? You don't just
names on the stadium for christ say.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
You don't want and this is it comes down to.
There's the dilemma I'm faced with when I look at
these types of situations play out because that was, you know,
in my playing day, that was par for the course,
Like you could see a hit like that happen every
(10:23):
other play again.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
It was funny.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I had a group group group chat going with with
some other guys that played defense in the lead.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
We we have a group chat and we.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Were chiming in I'll leave the names out because it's
not not worth being a name dropper. But it was
like guys were like, we're really kind of laughing about
it because it's it's it was so commonplace too to
like try to take dudes out like that was part
of the game, take take dudes out.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
So we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
It, and if you really think about it, what would
be the percentage if you were to go through all
the names that rest in the Hall of Fame on
the defensive side of the ball, what do you think
the percentage would be of players that would have never
been able to make it into the league because of
their style of play?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
God, I mean, and let's take it a step further, because,
like again, when it's one thing to keep it on
the field and how it happens on the field, but
then you start to kind of look at okay, when
you hear a criticism like what Runying statement represented, and
at times Runying was a dirty player.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
I played against John Runyon for many years.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
I don't even think it's just defensive players. You remember
all the highlights of Walter Payton and Earl Campbell lowering
their helmet.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Well, that's a whole that's a whole nother conversation what
offensive players are. Because I still don't understand how an
offensive player is able to stiff arm a person in
his face mask and push him by his face mask.
But if you were to do the same exact thing,
like he can grab and shove you down and if
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you do it back, if you touch his face, if
you touch his face mask, grab on his face mask
the same way he's grabbing on yours. It's a flag.
They're like, there's a lot of things that offensive guys
get away with. But my point, my point is, is
then you start to kind of attack the young man's character.
Now I don't know him. I don't know him to
(12:30):
defend his character. But what I will say is is
probably John Runyon doesn't know him either. And I will
say my dilemma here is I know you're trying to
clean up the league, and I know that there's the
idea of making sure that player safety is a priority
(12:53):
because of all of the concerns that arose from the
movie Concussion and CTE and all these players that have,
you know, these issues with their brains and guys taking
their own lives. I understand all of that. I think
the dilemma I find myself in is are you really
are you really going this hard on it based upon
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the safety aspect of it, or are you going hard
on it based upon the investment part of it? Like
for instance, for instance, if a running back was running
and he got hit like that, right, is that man
getting the three mats?
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Is he getting a three game suspension? First off?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Maybe he's And let's take away the sliding element of it, right.
A running back is running, a defensive player comes in
and hits him violently and makes contact with him. We've
seen it happen a few times this year. They get
a personal foul, it's a fifteen year penalty automatic first down,
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this is your first infraction. I mean, I don't know
that we've even seen a guy get actually kicked out
for a malicious hit on any any other position on
the field. I mean, is there do we know of
any that have taken place this year?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Uh? Not that I can think of, which is why
I think Running was pretty specific about the stuff that
happened afterwards being part of the punishment.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Well again, if you want to throw the melees that
took place after Like, didn't we just see a game
where every single play for about an entire two or
three series between the Ravens and the Steelers, they were fighting.
They were fighting literally after every play. No, I don't
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think anybody even got kicked out. I don't even think
anybody got kicked out.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, probably not.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
So when I look at how they handled this and
the way they approached it. I feel like, as somebody
who played a physical style in the physical brand of
football when I played, I look at it and I say,
it's more about protecting the investment of the quarterback's position
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than it is about the total health and safety of
the game, because it's actually it's it's to me, it's
impossible to sit there and create a fine line black
and white in terms of how things are being regulated
in terms of the safety of a full contact sport
of football because all intensive purposes, the defenders are in
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a position where it has to be a physical and
considerably brutal, brutal sport on your body and who it
is you're playing against. You know, the shelf life on
a running back is three and a half seasons, three
and a half years. You know why it's three and
a half years because of the brutality that takes place
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in the toll in the tear wearing, tear on their body.
Offensive lineman, defensive linemen, the brutality that takes place every
single play. So and I get look, you put in rules,
you take away head slap, you take away clothes lines,
you take away chop blocks, you take away high lows.
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I mean, but the amount of attention that has been
paid to the quarterback position in particular, I think it's
and I hate to say it, because it wasn't ugly hit, Like,
I don't want to diminish and take away from what
the hit represented, but I think you still have to
follow the money on this situation, Jonas. I really think
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that if it's anyone else on that field, it's not
blown out of proportion to this level. It's really not.
I think some way, somehow we have placed this halo,
this protective covering over quarterbacks, and now there's this whole
deal of quarterbacks are just more important than any other
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person that's on that field. And the way it's handled,
the way it's legislated, the way that it is monitored,
it's all based around the protection and the benefits of
what the quarterback represents to the game.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
It's like the and I always argue this the gambling
stuff when it comes to the NFL, if you like,
when a player gets accused or caught gambling or they're
betting on games or whatever, they're betting on college football games.
In the case of the Lions, who had some guys
and the NFL goes out and it's Calvin Ridley and
he gets suspended for an entire season. The punishment doesn't
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fit the crime, but the optics of it do. And
I think that when the NFL hands down some of
these punishments like this one, I think this is a hey,
we we understand, but do you understand why we have.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
To make this move? Do not hit the quarterback? I mean,
do not hit the quarterback. That's what this say is
to me, is as ugly as that hit looks is. Again,
and I may come across as sounding insensitive, but I
just understand the game and how the game has been
played and how many how many.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Players have played this game at the level they played
it at.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
That is not the most egregious hit you're going to
see take place in football games.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
It's just not it's who it happened to. It's who
got hit.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
It's how that who got hit, And that, to me
is what the outrage is is about. And that's why
there's been this whole age old, you know, kind of
debate on even even turning it into because I don't
think it's a race thing at all, But when you
think about when when you know they've made comparisons where
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Cam Newton is able to be hit late, or Lamar
Jackson or Robert Griffin. You see the theme that I'm
going with here. They're able to be hit late, but
there's no flags or there's nothing that takes place when
they get hit when they're running because they're virtually or
in essence, they're viewed as a running back. So apparently
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the refs aren't able to manage their running the same
way they would manage the other quarterbacks that are are
running when they run. So to me, when I look
at what's taking place right here, right now, this is
a line in the sand, a further a further confirmation
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that you are not to touch, you're not to hit
the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
But isn't this about the like in those cases like
if Trevor Lawrence is trying to run and dive for
a first down and gets lit up and knocked out,
completely different discussion. It's the fact that he was going
into a slide and and look, I also think, and
this is why I can't stand targeting. I can't stand
some of the penalties that are called because you're asking
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a player in real time, in full.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Speed to like they have to really digest a whole
lot like at a like And I think that's what
the point you're making is a good point. Well, it's
like it's like in baseball.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Imagine if all of a sudden, the strike zone was
moving to where all it's it's it's going around in
a circle, and you got to throw a strike. If
you're the picture, you're like, hold on a second, like
where like where do I throw to to get a
strike call? And you're asking defenders like where can I
hit in real time with everything moving? Where can I
go to get a strike call that's not going to
get flagged for a penalty. I think it's the fact
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that he was sliding, And I'm telling you, I think
it's the way that he looked after the hit that
really scared people.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
It did scare people, punishment.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
It did.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
I don't think it scared him into the punishment.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
I think it's the reality of it is that you
do not want your highest paid superstar marquis marquee.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Talent on the field on the sideline.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Like to me, I feel like that's what this ultimately
comes down to, because guys getting knocked out. I would
be curious to know how many concussions have taken place
on Sundays or Saturdays this year. How many times do
we see it turn into The only time we see
it turn into really a big story is when it's
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a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I look, why do you think I argue about ja
Kwan Brisker, Like it's a great example. I mean, he
still has yet to play, and he's on IR and
that happened in October, and they put him back in
the game.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
And that was a play that was brutal hit.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yes, And that was a play where the receiver, the
tight end, Tommy Tremble, lowered his helmet and hit Jakwan Brisker,
and Tommy Tremble got fined after the game good and
and and but yet for some reason Kwan Brisker was
allowed to stay in the game and not evaluate it.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
And but that's a great it's a great example of
what I'm saying. So the bottom line here is John Runyon,
that's mock outrage and and you should choose your words
more carefully because you don't you don't know I'm I'm
I'm pretty pretty certain you don't know Asease well enough
to call his character in the question to that degree.
(22:42):
We've all had our moments where we get caught up
in in in a game. If you're a competitor and
if something doesn't go go completely right and you get
into a scuffle or whatever, it may be that you
may have handled things in a way that you may regret.
The man came out and apologize for what took play.
I just think that the approach of it, you know,
(23:03):
I don't know. I you're protecting quarterbacks. That's fine. Tell
them not to run, tell them not to run. The
blow I keep saying it blow the play did when
you get close to the quarterback, make it touch, give
them a flag, whatever it is. But you don't have
to keep dancing around the fact that you're protecting. This
is all about protection of the quarterback. That's really what
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this comes down to. Like we could talk about the
brawl and that is what it is, but the idea
of it, it really comes down to the fact that
you're protecting quarterbacks. And that's to me, that's all. Is
not justifying a hit at all, not justifying the hit,
and the rules are the rules about about the rules,
But this is all about protecting the quarterback. That's my
(23:46):
dilemma here is it safety, or is it you're protecting
a certain skill group because everybody's subject to the same
type of brutality on that football field.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
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You will hear from him next here on FSR.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
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Speaker 1 (24:40):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here coming up in
about fifteen minutes from now, We are going to tell
you about one of the dumbest ideas that's ever been
presented of the sports world. I can't even believe this
is a real thing. I refuse to believe it's real.
We will get into that discussion for you here on FSR.
(25:02):
Your guy Aaron Rodgers quarterback, yep, you know, not playing
all that hot this year. You know, there was also
a I kind of forget who the player was. It
might have been Leonard Williams who said one of the
things that he's noticed about Rogers is that he doesn't
like the hits as much like it feels like, you know,
(25:24):
maybe it's having more of an impact on him at
his at this age of his stage of his career,
at his age, I believe he just turned forty one,
if I'm not mistaken. But Rogers did make his weekly
appearance on the Pat McAfee show starring AJ Hawk, and
he did talk about what his plan is moving forward,
amidst all the speculation that maybe they would bench him
(25:45):
for Tyrod Taylor.
Speaker 7 (25:46):
You know, I want to be out there with my
guys in battle as long as I feel healthy, body
feels as good as it felt whether Fortunately, unfortunately for
the situation. Body feels great. I want to be out there.
I want to be out there with the guys. I
want to have a lot of pride in playing. You know,
one of my goals this year coming back from the
Achilles was to play all seventeen games. I assume that
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would be seventeen plus whatever playoff games we played in. Obviously,
that hasn't been the case this year. So we still
got five games left and would love to be out
there battling with the guys.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
You know, he's not out there trying to mail in
the season. He ain't quitting on the season. He's out
there for his teammates, and he's out there ready to
go amidst a bad year for the Jets.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Not all his fault, just a lot of it is,
but it's not all his fault.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I mean, at least he's bringing attention to the franchise.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
I'm interested is he's saying that to stay face, you know,
to kind of save his reputation, because I feel as
though maybe his reputation took a bit of a hit,
you know, since being in New York, things that I
almost feel like he could have he kind of navigated
(26:58):
through in Green Bay. It was tolerated. It was even
at times just it was accepted for what it was.
That's just Aaron Rodgers being Aaron Rodgers. You know, that
didn't work. That has not worked in New York. And
a lot of the conversation leading up to him going,
if you recall, was the media coverage. In the way
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the media handles things in New York is much much
different than anywhere else he could have gone anywhere, especially
in terms of football specific because media is crazy in California.
Two biggest media markets California New York. But New York
is actually a sports like a serious sports town in
terms of football and basketball, and the coverage is very
(27:46):
fierce in that market. So I knew it was going
to be a challenge for him because no matter what
you do, you're only as good as your last game.
You're only as good as your last play. And his
way of interacting with the media was going to be
an interesting, you know, interesting thing moving into that media market.
(28:07):
It hasn't worked out, but it's not all on Aaron Rodgers. Now,
maybe his reputation has preceded him and what people were
going to feel about him and what they were going
to write about him. And report about him were already
going to be somewhat maybe skewed a little bit, just
based off of the persona people received watching him through
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the years in Green Bay. Maybe it's fair, maybe it's not,
but that's what he brought with him, and I don't
I'm not certain that it's not fair to give Aaron
Rodgers the benefit of the doubt in this this situation.
I just know that if he's saying he still wants
to play and this is something that he's really really
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like passionate about, I just don't. I just don't think
that this should solely be placed at his feet and
it's like, all right, let's move on from Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Aaron Rodgers isn't good enough to do it.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Maybe he is getting an aged, you know, getting a
little older. Maybe he doesn't like getting hit as much.
I don't know, but I mean, what's your alternative? Like
that's that's what's your altern.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
That's my thought when people are throwing out the idea
of like, well it's you know, it's time to time
to sit Rogers, you know, with.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Five games left. Yeah's and he still wants to what's
the alternate?
Speaker 1 (29:25):
What's the point and This is not a knock on
Tyrod Taylor. Tyrod Taylor's had, you know, a good career
and you know has found himself in a lot of
interesting spots when it comes to quarterback situations. I mean,
the guy got stabbed by the Chargers training staff, which
led to Justin Herbert getting in. But like, I look
at it and I go why at this point, what
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does it matter?
Speaker 3 (29:46):
I don't care? Like, Okay, so we use Tyrod Taylor
as the name you're going to put in. There's five
games left, yeah, five, there's five games left, and you're
at two wins, three wins.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Three wins.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
We're not talking about a developmental quarterback behind him, and
it's see what we got?
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Correct?
Speaker 3 (30:01):
So what what is the point? Like, what's the why?
Is that an alternative? Is what I'm saying. What are
you trying to accomplish by putting Tyrod Taylor in? You're
not preserving Aaron Rodgers for a trade. You're not preserving
Aaron Rodgers for next season. What he wants to play?
Why are you putting Tyrod Taylor?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
He just said, like, none of it makes sense.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
But again, that goes back to the point of it's
not all Aaron Rodgers' fault.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
He's played a part in some of it.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
He's played a role in some of this dysfunction that
has taking place since he's gotten there.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
But by no means is he the.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Catalyst for the dysfunction that you see playing out in
New York and why this team is struggling the way
that it is.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
It's not Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
So it kind of in a way, it's it's, you know,
the whole fair thing, however you want to use it.
But is it really fair of him to be judged
on the level that he's being Like, this is all
about Aaron Rodgers and what Aaron Rodgers is going to
do based upon how poorly the team is doing. But
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we're not talking about all the other players that's out
there on that field. This team is losing as a team.
So throw out all the names that come to mind
when you think of this New York Jets team, because
they're all getting those ls in the in the loser column.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I mean, the old line's not played well. You know
what happened, Like, let me listen, Davante Adams had a
bad drop that hasn't gone well, Like basically anything that
the Jets have touched over the past, I don't know,
twenty years, hasn't hasn't been well, Like, hasn't done well
outside of the Rex Ryan era, which you know, if
he wants back in, have fun and then have at it.
(31:43):
But that's why I just look at it and I go,
at this point, what does it matter. It's like having
a kid. You just realize at a certain point, just
wait until the mess is completely over before you clean up.
You know, like like if you're just gonna stop and.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Say you should clean up as you go, I'm a
clean up as you go.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
To Yeah, listen, I was the same way, and then
I realized there's no point in me putting those monster
trucks away. He's just going to get him out. I'll
wait until the end of the night. And I just
got to hope to god it on step on one
and break my neck. So I'll just wait until the
end of the night and then I'll clean him up
because he just keeps going back to him. So at
this point, just keep going back to Rogers, like throw
(32:24):
him out there. It's he's good for business. He makes
them like that. That's a reason to watch. Yeah, he's
going to watch, So you're going to watch.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
I just don't think that it's right to put the
like the weight of all of this on Aaron Rodgers
and Aaron Rodgers having to, you know, address it the
way that he's addressing it, just based upon how.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Things are being handled in New York.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I don't I don't find that to be appropriate for
the situation or the scenario. I think you got to
take a deeper, harder look at at this, the systemic
failure of the franchise, if you're going to start with
trying to fix it, and honestly speaking, if you do that,
then you know, maybe the results that you get change
(33:12):
a little quicker because you have a guy like Aaron
Rodgers who wants to play. Maybe it turns a little quicker,
but maybe it doesn't. I don't know, But I don't
think that this is a symptom of the Aaron Rodgers effect.
I think that's overstated and overblown. If that's what people
are thinking why the Jets are struggling.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
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Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you coming up
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Speaker 2 (34:31):
Sometimes you can't get to everything in the world of
sports or entertainment. Good thing. The guys are here to
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Speaker 1 (34:40):
It, and for that we turn it over to our
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Speaker 6 (34:46):
Lap Good morning, everybody, Good morning, Jonas, Good morning LeVar. Hey, guys,
in case you miss this, uh, something that's been floating
around the MLB world.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
The MLB is exploring the.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
New Golden at bat rule that would fundamentally change the game.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
The idea is pretty simple.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
Once a game, a manager gets to put his best
batter at the at the plate, regardless of where the
batting order stands go. We can go into more detail,
but I don't think we really need to because it's
a pretty dumb rule. I don't know about you, guys.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
It's Hayley, Hey Brady. It's one of the dumbest ideas
I've ever heard. So at any point in the game,
you can just pick a different batter to come up
and and go into the game. Okay, So, like if
that's what we're doing, then, like, at any point during
(35:37):
a Patriots game, can they just call Tom Brady and
have him play quarterback? Like, like that's how this works.
It's baseball. You have lineups for a reason, you have
a setup for a reason.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
And the idea though, what's the difference between a pinch hitter.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Well, a pinch hitter, you it depends on where you're
at in the lineup, and you know, you can have
him getting at bat and and there could be a
double switch, there could be. But this idea is at
any point during the game, regardless of where the batting
order is, you can just have somebody else hit and could.
Speaker 6 (36:11):
You theoretically have a hit or hit two times in
a row, like even if they're on first you put.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
It oh yeah, yeah, like put in a ghost runner
and then have them come up.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Like that's what they're saying.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
That's what people are asking, like wait a second, to
what end are we doing this? And Baseball's like, well,
you know where, Like they're trying to come up with
ideas to freshen up the game. Like the pitch clock worked,
it's sped up the game. Uh you know, the idea
of the bigger bases. Uh, not not a fan. I
think it's kind of skewed some of the numbers historically
(36:43):
when it comes to that, As Rob Parker says, I
mean you're basically sliding into pizza boxes now, so like
all of that, Like, there's been some ideas that they've
thrown out there that have been fun, but this one
is just dumb.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
The landed pick golf attemps at first base, that's.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Like it's interesting, like some of those ideas, Like all
of that is like, and I'm not opposed to being
wrong about an idea. When the NFL moved back the
pat to thirty three yards, I thought it was stupid,
like why are we doing this? No, as it turns out,
like all of a sudden that like like gave kickers
fits like Adam VIVENTENTI almost retired early because he was
having an issue making extra points. So like all of
(37:22):
that has worked. This is just a terrible idea.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
I mean, I'm not the biggest baseball fan, but just
at face face value of looking at it, I mean
I just thought a pinch hitter is the guy that
you choose, Like, all right, we want to put a
better guy up to bat in this moment, we're going
to pinch hit.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
I thought that was like it It also feels like
this is the heat check, like major League Baseball's likeps.
I think it was Jason Stark, who reported at first
Major League Baseball hit up Jason Stark and was like, hey,
would you throw this out there? Just see what the
reaction is. I do think they've been cwned by everybody.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Do find it to be interesting if a guy hits
the ball and he's like, say he's like Judge or somebody,
and he's on second base, and you're like, you know what, the.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Game is on the line, Like.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Let's give you another. Let's get you another go at it,
you know what I mean? But hey, you get out Hey, buddy,
you get out there and get on the base for aaron.
You just tell us about the way do you get
to choose who go? Like, say you have a Ricky
Henderson on your team, you put Ricky Henderson on a
second base so he can steal third third, and like,
cause that gives you an advantage too, Right, If.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
It's a Tawny you're like, hey, get his interpreter out there,
tell me to go he needs to go bad again,
you know, just just make sure he's not gambler.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Then you put a better base runner on that might
not be as good a hit her, right exactly?
Speaker 6 (38:45):
Okay, it works for like the Savannah bananas in that league.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Yeah, but that's a totally different game. Yeah, minor league baseball.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
I don't mind.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
You know, you want to you want to add some
spice to this stuff and then do what you gotta
do to try and get people to go to the games.
But my man, this is ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
What else we got?
Speaker 6 (39:02):
Lee guys in a wild story? According to a new
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(39:25):
evidentiary value.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
I mean, in the OJ ESPN documentary, one of his buddies,
and I remember this because I'm a fan of the
beer Rolling Rock one of his buddies was saying, Yeah,
we were sitting out in OJ's backyard. I'll never forget it.
We were drinking Rolling Rocks and OJ asked me if
I thought that he did it, and OJ basically admitted that, yeah,
(39:51):
you're right, Like he's like, it's already it admitted it basically.
But yeah, like in that documentary, the way they played.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
It out, you know, he pretty much admitted it. So
you know, what, what does it matter?
Speaker 1 (40:05):
I think we all know.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Has his estate already been did he even have like
a large estate, like I don't, you know, what does
it even matter?
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Did Marcus Allen have any of it? But I'm just asking.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
I need to go to break
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