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zone here Tuesday, a couple of days before Thanksgiving, and
guess what. We had a pretty fantastic NFL game last

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night on Monday Night Football. This felt like a contest
between the Atlanta Falcons and the Seattle Seahawks that was
already a playoff game even though we just completed Week
ten of the NFL season. The NFC is going to
have a ton of highly competitive teams fighting tooth and

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nail in the final six weeks of the regular season
to advance to the playoffs. And I think there's probably
a decent chance that an NFC team that's good enough
to get on a run in the playoffs is going
to get left out. Now, that's the exact opposite as
the a f C. Where the a f C right
now there's only five teams with winning records. Right now,

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in the NFC, there are eight teams that I think
it's fair to say are potentially really good. Last night,
both of those teams are potentially really good. The Atlanta
Falcons got the win. And what's amazing is last year,
at this exact moment, the Atlanta Falcons were six and
four and then they won their final six games of
the regular season and got on a hot streak. Can

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that happen again? Right now? If the season ended today,
the Atlanta Falcons would have just advanced to the playoffs
with that win over the Seattle Seahawks on the road.
Now Seattle, where they used to never lose, where it
used to be impossible to beat them, has now lost
a couple of games in a row. And so you
factor that in and we're talking about a fairly significant

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situation here for the Atlanta Falcons and the Seattle Seahawks. So, Atlanta,
here's what You're six teams in the NFC would look
like right now. Obviously, the Eagles would be your one seed,
the Vikings your two, the Saints your three, the Rams
in the four spot, Carolina Panthers in the five, and
the Atlanta Falcons in the six winning the tie break

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at six and four over the Detroit Lions and the
Seattle Seahawks. So when you break down the rest of
the Atlanta Falcons schedule, can they get hot here? I
think it's very likely they beat the Bucks next weekend,
then they have a massive game where the Vikings come
to town, then they get the Saints, then they get
the Bucks again, then they get the Saints, and then

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they finish with the Panthers. I mean, this is gonna
be a real battle Royale down the stretch in the
NFC South, where you finished with three straight NFC South
games and four of the final six are against the
NFC South. Now to the Falcons good fortune, two of
those games are against the Bucks, and theoretically that's gonna

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be Ryan Fitzpatrick on the helming up the Bucks. So
they need to win both of those games and then
they get the Panthers to finish off the season. I
think there's a good chance that that is a division
determining outcome. Meanwhile, I think it's not too soon to
ask the question, oh, are the Seahawks in trouble? Are
the Seahawks and Russell Wilson given their injuries, given their

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their kind of collapse on the uh defensive side of
the ball, Russell Wilson is trying to do everything for
this team. I don't know. I don't know whether he
has got enough to get this team into the playoffs
because the conclusion of their schedule is really pretty tough.
I mean, they got six games left the forty Niners

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they should handle with ease obviously next weekend, but then
you know, look, they gotta go on. They gotta play
the Eagles, they gotta play the Jags, they gotta play
the Rams, they gotta play the Cowboys. I mean, that's
not an easy schedule. If I were predicting right now,
I would say the Seahawks are going to miss the playoffs,
and that would have been a pretty bold prediction coming
into this season. Now, maybe the Rams are gonna fall

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apart a little bit too, because the Rams have a
brutally difficult final six games as well. So maybe the
Seahawks can make a run and end up winning the
NFC West. But man, what a collection of teams coming
down the stretch. As you try and project too exactly
is going to be among this crew in the NFC,
somebody who's really good is gonna get left out. It's

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a shame, frankly, that we couldn't take a couple of
the NFC teams and flip them over and let them
play in the A f C playoffs, because I think
that's the kind of situation that we're set up for.
Appreciate all of you joining us here on a spectacular
Tuesday holiday short and week for many of you, We've
got a loaded show for you. Were gonna talk to
Alex Marvez about all things NFL coming up here in

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make sense of the existing insanity that is the college
football playoff picture our three we are going to uh
to circle back around. Should be a pretty good conversation
going on there in the in the third hour as well.
Uh So, a lot coming on the show in general,

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and I appreciate all of you coming and hanging out
with us on this Thursday. Um. The other thing you
should know is we will get into the LaVar Ball
interview on CNN, which was just as ridiculous as you
would anticipate a LaVar Ball interview on CNN being but
Monday night football now in the books. We've got a
lot of college football and NFL kicking off early this week,

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we get into our three as well. And UH in
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I appreciate all of you guys for coming and hanging
with us again. Massive win for the Atlanta Falcons, and

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the Falcons I think now in great shape. We'll see
what happens with who is gonna get left out? I
think this. If you break it down, I think the
Seahawks are likely unless they can catch the Rams and
they're one game back now. Unless they can catch the
Rams down the stretch. I think the Seattle Seahawks and
Russell Wilson likely to miss the playoffs based on what
the NFC playoff picture looks like right now. So we'll

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car buying experience. Alex Marvez with US Now, Alex, how
bad is the a s C. Horrendously bad? And it
starts with the quarterback position. That's the thing about it.
You know, I have a story about this last week
at sporting news dot com. Six teams entered last weekend
in the a f C with winning records. That was it.
And it's actually completing the worst three year stretch for

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the a f C. For Week ten of teams that
had winning records, and so much of it stems from
injuries at the quarterback position, backups playing poorly at the
quarterback position. It's just it's and it's like a cycle
right now. The NFC has that juice. But you know
what's so weird about this. The a f C has
won three of the past four Super Bowls, And honestly,
I mean, you gotta figure the New England Patriots would
be the favorite if they played the Philadelphi Eagles today

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because of their body of work. So it's the Patriots
carrying the entire conference. And maybe the Steelers can get
into this mix at some point. You know, they play
the Patriots in Week fifteen. That's a game that's gonna
go a long way towards determining home field advantage through
the postseason. But New England is still the juice in
this or in this conference, There's no doubt about that.
And there's actually only five teams with winning records now

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in the a f C and Baltimore Baltimore Ravens are
right now slotted in at the six spot at five
and five Buffalo making a disastrous decision to go with
Nathan Peterman. What can you tell us about the teams
that are outside the mix? Is there anybody right now
that has a losing record that you think could get
hot and win, because at this point, it's crazy. You

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need to win five out of six just to finish
with a winning record. If you're in these positions of
these four and six teams, is there anybody that can
do that? The Los Angeles Chargers, I mean, you know,
when you look at them, they played Dallas on Thanksgiving Day,
and listen, how motivated are these cowboys gonna be? They
already looked like they're waving the white flag right just
because it's just from a physical standpoint, they've lost so

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many people. And Dak Prescott, listen, he's gotta he's got
to try to pass. When he got Joey Bosa and
Melvin Ingram coming at him. I think this is a
terrible matchup for the Dallas Cowboys on Thanksgiving Day, and
I think it drops the Cowboys to five and six,
moves the Chargers up and not. And I don't know
where things have gone in Kansas City. You know, it's
amazing how quickly they started, and then just I think
teams caught up with some of the gimmick stuff that

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they were doing on offense. Alex Smith went back to
being the old Alex Smith and and this defense. That's
really the big thing about this as well. And I know,
you know, they only gave up twelve points and they
still lose to the New York Giants. But it's just
not a very good defense. It isn't up to the
Chief standards, and a lot of that quite honestly. The
injuries at the defensive at the outside linebacker position, you know,
they can't get pass rush with just justin Houston. They

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need some defod they need some Tombahali. Both these guys
are out. The secondary is pretty shaky. Dereck Johnson has
lost the step, I mean, and it's just not the
same type of Chief squad so I think the Charger
is actually one that may get hot. If they don't
charger themselves, so to speak, they could be in the
mix to win the a f C West. Now, as
far as the Super Bowl team, I'm not buying any
of that or anything, but I will tell you this though,
in an a lousy division right now. We see what's

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going on in Denver, how they lose to Cincinnati, and
what's going on with the Oakland Raiders and how they've
lost their mojo, Why not the Chargers. We talked a
lot about this on Monday Show. To me, Marshawn Lynch
taking a knee are basically sitting down for the American
national anthem and then standing for the Mexican national anthem
was a different level, different caliber of disrespect, because if

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you concerned about the issues that you claim to be
concerned about in America, how in the world can you
be okay with them in Mexico when Mexico is worse
than all those respects than the United States is from
a statistical measure, What in the world's going on with
Marshall and Lynch? Did he have any idea what he
was doing? What was what was his thought process? To
the extent you can realize it. Well, I see, I can't.

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That's the whole thing about it, because Marshawn is Marshawn Right,
and I can't tell you. Maybe he's gonna go get
a Mexican citizenship, I don't know. I mean, this guy
is that offbeat and you know it's been you know,
it's interesting because President Trump and his tweet, he goes
after Marshawn Lynch slow hanging fruit, and I get all that,
but you know, there were players that also took a
knee during in London during the playing of the munt
and I ripped. I ripped those guys too. But at

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least London has a pretty good international human rights law record, right,
it's not as if it's not as if England has
this long history of of issues that Mexico has. So
I mean, look, I understand. To me, it's hypocritical to
to sit for the national anthem in America and stand
for the national anthem in Mexico. I think there's a
big seismic difference between the United States and Mexico when

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it comes to human rights violations. No understood, But do
you think Marshawn Lift is thinking about human rights violations
that we ever find out why he's sitting for the anthem.
And look, that also ties in with my overall issue
with covering athletes from a political perspective to begin with.
To me, if you're going to take a political stay in,
then you should have to have a strong foundation to
support it in order for me to pay attention to you.

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Just like there are a lot of Hollywood actors and
actresses who were going to get up at the Oscars
and say that they have some strong heartfelt belief about
politics until I actually see them grilled. I'm just gonna
assume that they're all gonna be like Sarah Palin would
in her interview with Katie Couric, where at the end
of that you were like, you know, I don't feel
comfortable with this person making a decision about anything. Colin Kaepernick,
you know, wearing the wearing the Fidel Castro shirt, making

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the decision to say that police or modern day slave catchers,
like all this stuff that he has done to me
is evidence that he doesn't really understand his own political perspectives.
And look, I I don't know what Marshawn Lynch is
doing right, and and that's the whole thing with Marshawn.
It's just listen to the guy plays by his own
set of rules and and that's you know, and and
maybe there's something that it he'll say, he'll share someday,

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maybe he'll sell the rights to a story in a book.
I'll what Colin Kaepernick is doing to be able to
expound upon it. I don't know how much true deep
thought went into what Marshawn Lynch dayed, other than maybe
trying to make some sort of quote social statement. But
I mean, look until and this is where the NFL
dropped the ball, one of the reasons that Jerry Jones
is so angry. And I talked to Tory Vincent about
it at the owner's meetings in Margin and I said, Troy,

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did you guys put in anything about the anthem? Did
you talk? I didn't even discuss the anthem among the owners.
That's that's on them. You put in a protocol that
says you're going to get find suspended, et cetera if
you don't stand for the anthem just right right, and
you know, and it went relatively smooth. But remember too,
the NBA is on pretty decent speaking terms where their
players union, right, I mean they actually get the cb

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A extended, they get things done. This is where one
of Roger Goodell's failings is that not really being proactive,
not really communicating well enough with players to understand, Okay,
we've had an issue last year, what is it that
these players were doing and really getting to the bottom
of it. Look some of them, like the Doug Baldwin
who did research these sorts of things and ended up
writing that letter about the mandatory sentences. You know, that's
someone who cared about and Malcolm Jenkins someone who researched it.

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There are guys that that have done their homework in
the NFL, but there's others who happen't you see what
I'm saying and why even but you know, let's let
these guys use that platform through the NFL. Is you
could have done something like this a long time ago,
and instead they didn't. And that's why we're at the
state we're at now where Jerry Jones is so curious
at the commissioner because this is one of the things
that has got it been how water listen brands don't

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want to be these advertisers don't want to be associated
with polarizing brands in most cases, right. I mean, if
you're a mainstream advertiser, you don't want people that are
going to boycott your product because you're associated with something
that's deemed on American or something that makes you angry.
And that's exactly what's happened in the NFL right now
and why they're holding onto some of these advertisers by
a threat. What do you think happens between this Jerry

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Jones and Roger Goodell feud. We're talking with Alex Marvez.
You can go follow him on Twitter on at Alex Marvez.
He joins us every single Tuesday. You know, here's the
thing about it is that listen that the owners, a
lot of them just don't trust Jerry, Right, It's better
to deal with the devil you know, than the devil
you don't. And Roger Goodell, he's the guy that listening.
He has experience negotiating a collective bargaining agreement. He helped

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the NFL, I mean totally kick the nfl P a
s tale. I mean, look, think about it. The NFLPA
comes back with we wont shorter practices in the off
season and less contact. You think that the owners care
about giving that up. No, they'll just take more cash
from the players. That's fine, you see what I mean.
So he's someone that's had success doing it. I think
that's one of the reasons he stays. Also, think about
it like this, to Jerry Jones, tweaked the NFL rules

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himself to take advantage of him. In two thousand and ten,
all the owners had colluded against the NFL Players Association.
They had an uncappy year. Nobody would spend over the
cap except for two teams, the Cowboys and Redskins, and
both of them had based heavy sanctions from the NFL uh,
you know, down the road for doing something on their
own that they considered a maverick move. So Jerry isn't
the most popular of guys in the NFL circles. Let

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me just put it like that, among all owners. I
think he has some good points about trying to hold
the commissioner a little bit more responsible because so many
things continue to get bungled and by this administration. But
I just don't think he has the power to get
it done. I think the NFL owners they like the
paychecks they're receiving, and ultimately they'll put up with Roger
Goodell being a human pin cushion for all the insults,
you know, basically an marchery board and never could shoot

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the arrows at him. Don't just keep making money and
they'll keep them in charge. We're talking to Alex Marvez. Alex,
do you agree with me? Yesterday on the show, I
said that something seemed fundamentally broken about the Oakland Raiders.
And the reason why I said that was I said,
I'll watched that game against the Patriots. It's one thing
to lose to New England. It's another thing in a
game that you know you have to win because of
the whole you dug for yourself, and you show up

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with that kind of performance. Is it fair to say
something's broken? You know? It's It's interesting. It's a bad
matchup every time Jack del Rio faces Bill Belichick. I'm
not sure if you know this, but I believe Belichick
nine and one all time against Jack del Rio as
a head coach. I mean, he just carves up that defense.
He knows basically these two steps ahead of Jack. Uh.
You know, Belichick is ahead of most, but he's really

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ahead of the Raiders. And on offense, they've just they've
lost something too many drop passes. They can't get into
a rhythm. I think maybe they overestimated Todd downing his
offensive coordinator. Certainly he's had a rough first year on
the job. They let Bill Musgrave go. You know, they
were afraid to lose Todd to another team as an OC,
so they decided to promote him. But Bill walk out
the door to the Denver Broncos as their quarterbacks coach.
I know that's not going too well for but the

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point is that this is almost the same exact group
that has that mojo. Last year, the defense thought needed
some upgrading. They didn't get it, I mean, and the
secondary is bad. And you know, it's funny how, you know,
Reggie wick Kins, you can go from being a genius
to someone now who's like, what is it that you're doing?
And you have to wonder too. Did a little bit
of complacency set in once everyone was given contracts extensions
after last year? Maybe the Raiders thought they had won

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their own Super Bowl because they became credible again and
maybe just maybe a little bit of that complacency, you know,
settled into that franchise. Alex we talked about how bad
the a f C is the NFC has got a
lot of teams that have a chance to advance to
the Super Bowl. I think the top three right now
the Eagles, the Vikings, and the Saints. Which of those
three do you believe in the most? I believe in

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the Saints the most because of a quarterback who has
been there and done that, and there they can. They're
very balance on running the football. The Eagles. I mean,
if if Carson Wentz had a four interception game, would
we be shocked? I wouldn't into the second NFL season,
So I just I think I put those two and
then Minnesota. At some point, I think this last helper
is gonna break for case Keenum, although he's done a

(18:03):
very nice job six and two as a starter since
replacing Teddy Bridgewater. But you know what happens. If face
has a bad games, then you've got to deal with
your own quarterback controversy. You go back to Case. Do
you play Teddy? How short is the rope on Case?
I mean that's the whole thing. It's almost like every
week he's got to go out and prove himself. And
in the NFL that's tough. And I think Thursday is
gonna have a tough time against the Detroit Lions. If
you know, if he wins and settles this quarterback competition,

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you know, the quarterback picture there once and for all.
It's one thing. But that's how I look at it.
I mean, listen, Philadelphia looks fantastic right now, but it's
just a team too that hasn't had a lot of
success in the past. Whereas I think with with Drew Brees,
he's a guy that's where the veteran leadership I think
for him comes in. And I just think this is
a team that that's you know, they got to go
on both sides of the ball. Although listen, this Redskins
team is dangerous. I tell you that they they go

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through a lot of adversity. They've lost a lot of
players to injury, but they continue to show up and
they play hardy tweet. They pushed the Saints, but the
Saints for the first time in their history, trailing by
that fifteen points in the final five minutes of the game,
they came back in one first time it's ever happened
since the Saints were formed in the nineteen sixties. I
think that speaks Volumes two. The first team to ever
win eight games in a row after starting oh in

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two the New Orleans Saints. Alex, what are you hearing
about Jamis Winston? Uh, This one is a curious one
because the attorney put out on Twitter that he wants
to get Ronald Darby's cell phones, wants the NFL to
get it and to check for GPS tracking information. Apparently
the uber driver is claiming that she was alone in
a car with Jamis, whereas Jamis is saying that on

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the night of this alleged incident he was with people.
I will tell you this it is. It is a
very tough time for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers current employees
if Jamis Winston is found by the NFL to have
done something, because there were so many folks in Tampa
that we're skeptical about Jamis Winston. After the rape allegations
in the settled civil suit at Florida State, the crab
leg etcetera. Jason Light, the Bucks organization interviewed seventy five

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different people and Jameis Winston was coming out of college
and they still they drafted him. They felt comfortable about it.
If something like this were to happen. Jason Lights on
the hot seat Turk Cutters on the hot seat, and
you just keep hearing that this bell in the background,
you know, ringing for John Gruden to come back and
coach this team and sell tickets. And I think if
there was ever a time that John Gruden would come back,
I think it would be this season. You know, just

(20:13):
so many rumblings about he's not happy now at ESPN
because his relationship with Mike Arko was so strong personally,
he's not having as much fun now working with a
new partner. To the fact that he wouldn't have to
move his family. He could coach in Tampa and he'd
already have already made quarterback, presumably in Jamis Winston playing.
But if it's not Jamis, he'd have to find another veteran.
But I think that John would have the ability to
come in self tickets. Remember, the Bucks are struggling to

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generate momentum. They haven't done anything since he's left, Wasn't it.
I'm not like the biggest John Gruden as a head
coach fan. I think he's you know, very overrated in
that regard. But the deal was that he sold the
people of Tampa on his program. And when you're the
Glazer family, and you keep striking out on coaches year
after year. I really think that may be the direction
their headed. How did the Bucks decide what to do
with Jamis right now? Is there any way? I mean,

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this is just an honest question, and they're holding him
out right now, but as of an injury, is there
any way they could count these games as part of
the suspension that he eventually gets they can. It just
doesn't work that way because I mean, again, he hasn't
you know, he's quote under investigation. But the word out
there is that the NFL had no idea about this
until they were called by BuzzFeed. So when the NFL
said we're investigating the claim because there were thought, it

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wasn't that this woman had called this. From my understanding,
it wasn't that this woman had called the NFL and
presented this case and the word came out from there. Instead,
this apparently came out from someone on her party contacting
you know, the the media, and then the media contact
in the NFL and asking about this. So no, it
wouldn't work that way. Listen, we made up to Jameis
Winson on the field anytime soon, anyway. Dirk Cutter told

(21:39):
me on My Serious XM show the other night he
had a PRP treatment done in his shoulder, basically putting
in blood playlists circulating it around the shoulder to try
to accelerate healing. He did some light things in practice,
but I think they're going to be extra cautious with
Jamis Winston. Oh En, By the way, have you noticed
that the offense is actually running better with Ryan Fitzpatrick?
How about them apples to and no? Since he's become
the starter. What happens if Ryan Pitzpatrick is off the

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season has a really good run. Let's say the Bucks
get back to eight and eight. I don't know something
like that from two and six? Is there any way
there's it at quarterback dispute or debate going into the
next season. I think the way that that happens is
if Jamis Winston has the off field thing and it's
you know, suspension wise. Remember, the Buck's family was really
had They had to really have their arms twisted to

(22:20):
sign Jamis Winston. They just the whole thing about, you know,
the rape allegations at Florida State was just something that
really was unsettling to them. And you know, Martin family
wrote a real interesting column for the Tampa Bay Times
about this. He believes that Jamis has done in Tampa,
if if there is any and Martin has been around
that team for twentysomething years. But he just believes that
the people of Tampa will not support this guy. You know,

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as you know, if if he were to come back
after this, that they were just That's that's how it is.
This isn't like Ben Roethlisberger, who was welcome back by
Stiller's fans and eventually won them back over. He just
believes that they would cut babe with Jamis Winston because
he would lose that trust. And it's a shame because
you think about entering the season and Jamis Winston's coming
off to all this appearance on Hard Knocks, and you
know how you know he's supposed to be the next
grade young quarterback, how much he cares about football, etcetera.

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And then this comes out and you know, play I'm
hoping it's not true because you know, I hate to
see this guy, you know, have have done something like
this because you think about where he came from. I
think about that first episode of Hard Knocks and he
takes us into his bedroom as a kid, and he
got three two other kids sleeping with him on a bed,
seven kids in the room. You got to use the restroom.
You have to be basically pe on your lawn because
there's just not the restroom is always occupied, you know,

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I could you imagine someone like this making it even
out of that neighborhood, let alone to the NFL. I'm
playing at the highest level. I mean, it's a true
testament for a lot of great things about Jamis Winson.
But if this one has proven true, or the NFL
believes it is true, and remember you know how the
NFL justice worst slay, then I just think it's gonna
be a tough girl for him to keep going in
Tampa and we could see some fits magic moving forward
to the drafting of another quarterback. How much let's say

(23:48):
he gets suspended for six games for inappropriate conduct, because
that I think would be like the highest level of
penalty that he could get. And obviously, as we can
tell from Ezekiel Elliott, the NFL standard is not criminal,
you know, misconduct. It is. Do they believe that there
was enough here that's improper to make them believe that
something inappropriate happened? How much of a market is there

(24:10):
for Jamis Winston if he gets suspended, given that he
already had the red flag of the rape allegation and
serious incidents that happened in his past. I'm not even
talking about, you know, the getting arrested, stealing crab legs,
the strange pregame speech that he gave. I'm just kind
of curious about his trajectory in the future, even if

(24:33):
anything comes of this at all. I think you'd get
another chance, I really do, And you know, I think
it would be a team maybe that that has him
as someone waiting in the wings if they have an
unstable starting situation. Remember too, it takes two to tango,
and Jamis might actually be a little selected himself because
he because he fancies himself as an NFL starter. So
just just some you know, it is interesting to play
this one out. If he were available, what did he

(24:55):
did for Jamis Winston? But he is damaged good I'll
have to do. He don't have to be a franchise
that's willing to take all of the negativity that's gonna
come with signing someone who not only the first time
for me once. Shame on you with with the FSU thing.
But then for me twice, you're still bringing in someone
who's maybe a sexual predator. It's gonna be tough. But again,
I think that there would be a franchise because you know,
the pitch would be, well, he's young, he's learned from

(25:17):
his mistake. We can't prove that this actually happened as
two people in the car. It's the NFL saying something
happened Jamison that categorically denies that it happened, and you
get into that war words. So yes, I know it
sounds goofy that you would bring in someone like this
as opposed to maybe some other people who have never
been arrested, But that's what happens with talent at the
game's most important at them games most important position. What's

(25:37):
also wild about this Alex is that his fourth year
is up soon, and so he would have to make
a decision like the Bucks were going to have to
make a decision about big money anyway this whole offseason. Now,
obviously it doesn't sound like he's gonna play that much
more this year. This whole offseason, the story is gonna
be is Jamis Winston gonna get suspended, So they really

(25:57):
can't work on signing him up for a fifth year,
right right, Well, and then you know what that you're
right about that first we have to see does the
NFL come to some conclusions before the off season begins.
I would imagine that they're going to exercise the fifth
year option on Jamis's contract, which locks him in for
two more years with the team, And then you start
talking potential extension. You know, in the case that Jamis Winston,
by the way, and I know it's it would probably

(26:18):
behoove the Bucks to sign him long term if you
trust him. If you don't believe this is true, get
him locked up now. But it's not like he's playing
at an elite quarterback level. I mean, he was good
this year, but not great, you know what I mean.
And I don't know how great he ultimately can be.
I don't know what his dealing is, but I think, yeah,
when it comes to a contract extension, You're right, things
would get a little bit tricky because again, you don't

(26:39):
know what you're signing up for. But you see, there's
no criminal charges. It's not like Javis Winson is going
to be going to jail from any of this. I mean,
his reputation has now gotten gotten, you know, just you know,
smashed once again because of this. But you know, if
he is ultimately exonerated by the NFL and again they
don't have to find you a hund percent guilty, They
just have to believe that something happened, well, then maybe
you can go along. Weights we're clearing up obviously what's

(27:01):
been a very black mark on him and Avobucks organization.
Appreciate the time, Alex. Have a good holiday weekend and
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(29:07):
and his son's being rescued from Chinese prison, and it
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CNN is the same network that banned me. I'm not
kidding about this. They banned me for saying I believe
in the First Amendment and boobs on their air. I'm

(30:12):
not joking. This is a real thing. CNN News network
banned me for saying that I believe in the First
Amendment and boobs. Yet they decided to have a boom
on their show last night LaVar Ball to talk about
why he won't thank Donald Trump. This was a twenty
three minute interview that featured a panel breakdown of the

(30:33):
LaVar Ball interview immediately thereafter, and we have distilled that
twenty three minute interview into one minute and forty five
minutes of the quote highlights of this incredible interview that
has advanced the news gathering organization known as CNN, far
and above anything we've ever seen before. If this isn't

(30:56):
Pulitzer winning material, I don't know what is. It's LaVar
ball last night on CNN. So the President he do
for myself. President says that he spoke to the Chinese president.
He says that the boy was armed, that the involvement
of the President of the United States mattered, and that
then he wanted some thanks, and instead you said, who

(31:17):
what was he Trump over there for? Don't tell me
he wanted. Everybody wants to make it seem like he
helped me out. I mean, you're you're trying to make
a sound like that. I'm just saying what you said.
I didn't meet when he faced to face. Um, I
know exactly what I said. But you buffing it up
like you said that. You don't want to say thank
you to nobody coming trying to. He says he helped

(31:40):
get them out of China. Okay, if if if he,
if he, if he paid for the money to put
up whatever we needed to do, then I would say
thank you. Did he do that? So that's the bar.
If he doesn't put up bail for the boys, then
he doesn't deserve thanks. Come on, it's not if he
didn't put up bail, he said he helped, how he helped?
If he helped, I would say thank you. So who
you think that has it helped? Do I think the

(32:01):
president help? Yes? I don't know. So do you think
he would be lying about He'll say what you want.
I didn't see him talk. I don't care, and I
don't know. I wasn't there. I'm not gonna say nothing.
I don't know and I don't see it. I don't
hear so the president of the United States. And you
say if you didn't see it, you didn't hear it,
you don't believe it. Hey, if he said he helped,

(32:23):
that's good for his mind? What do you mean? Good
for his life? Even got to say, if you help,
you shouldn't have to say anything. If you help, you
shouldn't have If I help somebody, I don't walk around
saying you know I help you. Now come on, now
you give me love. I helped you, then come on
for real. That's what we're doing for each other. That's
a good question. I know what he did for you.
Do we do it for each other? And instead of
saying thank you took a shot at him. What did

(32:46):
he do for me? We helped get your son out
of China where he could have been in jail for
a long time. What about some other Why was he
going to jail for a long time because he stole something?
It would have been a long time care But you
know what, he's okay. He has so much character in
eighteen years and he's allowed to have a pass for that. Hey,

(33:09):
and I gotta message for you. What is it tell
Donald Trump to have a great Thanksgiving? Because big Ball
is ollivey. So here's the deal. Donald Trump and LaVar
Ball are in some ways mirror images of each other.
It doesn't matter what the news is. If it doesn't

(33:30):
reflect what they want the news to be, they're not
going to acknowledge it. I don't understand why if your
son was arrested for shoplifting in China, you would turn
this into a story where you refuse to thank the
president for his involvement. If my son as a dad,
as a reasonable person, if my son was dumb enough

(33:53):
to get arrested for shoplifting in China as a grown adult,
and he was facing any kind of china Any's punishment
and the president did anything at all to potentially help
my children, I would thank him. Now you can argue,
why does the president need to be thanked? All those
things are perfectly fine. The var Ball lo Angelo Ball

(34:16):
thanked him, so did the two other players. But to me,
this is a this is CNN using LaVar Ball to
get attention and ratings. And look, we're talking about it,
so it's working. I mean, let's let's be honest. Um,
But in general, this is just a this is just
a ridiculous story. I think again, I've made this argument

(34:36):
for a long time. To me, LaVar Ball and Donald
Trump are in many ways very similar. They're great at
getting attention, They go on the newscast to say whatever
they want. They refuse to acknowledge stories that don't confirm
their worldview. Um, and uh, I think look, I mean,
if you were assessing blame here, I think this is

(34:57):
like ninety nine point nine percent LaVar Ball. All he
had to do was say thanks to the President. And
this is a non story. But he's good at getting attention.
I'll give him credit. He's great atself promoting. And I
just find it maybe the most ironic aspect of this
entire story that CNN won't put me on because I
said I love the First Amendment in boobs. I'm literally

(35:18):
banned from the network. And they did a twenty three
minute interview with LaVar Ball and also featured a panel
discussion analyzing that interview. The news. Here's what you need
to know. The news is not the news. Okay, I
don't know when exactly it happened, but the news is entertainment.
And so everybody out there trying to say, oh, we're hot,

(35:39):
holding ourselves up to such high bastions of journalistic integrity,
that's all gone. CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, whatever you watch.
When it comes to news, it's not designed to inform
you anymore. It's designed to make money. And I'm sure
that the ratings were decent for the LaVar Ball interview,

(35:59):
the chow lenges, it's not in any way advancing any
kind of news worthy aspect of this story. Look, the
news exist to make money. Once you understand that the
news exists to make money than any kind of expectation
I think in your mind that the news is going
to be fair, or that it's going to be impartial,
or that it's going to be intelligent, should be out
the window. That should be the how you operate in general.

(36:23):
Let's bring in the crew and see what they thought
of this LaVar Ball interview. Jason Martin, your thoughts, This
is a journalistic high end. This is like Walter Cronkite, No,
this is a non story. I actually agree with Steve Kerr.
I kind of wouldn't be pretty happy if both of
both parties in this situation would stay quiet to some extent.
But just listening to LaVar Ball and watching him during

(36:45):
this interview, you could just see dollar signs in his eyes.
This was a way for him to stay relevant, to
get relevance on a new stage because the news media
was gonna slurp this up because it had to do
with Donald Trump. They know that that's gonna drive ratings,
so that's gonna make a lot easier for them to
go here. And then he was so combative and on
every question, trying to fire back, trying to play the victim,

(37:07):
which is just utterly absurd. I don't like, and I
haven't liked from the beginning that Trump came out and said,
I wonder if they're gonna thank me, because I hate
that guy. I hate the guy that does something because
he's hoping for that in return. But at the same time,
LaVar Ball probably should have done it either way. But
this was a real easy way for LaVar Ball to
be in front of our faces during this holiday week
when we should be thinking about a lot of other

(37:28):
things in this world than him in his situation. So
the whole thing, to me was just an example of
how to sensationalize a complete non story, to try and
fill time and to try and be more exciting than
actually just being objective about what's happening in the world.
Guys in l A your thoughts on the we have
a panel discussion now about the panel discussion. About the

(37:49):
panel discussion, it was a Dan Wetzel who yesterday said
it was probably on its way to being cleared up anyhow.
But still, how how hard is it to just send
a quick thing c or say a quick thank you?
Just sound this seems like two really stubborn guys butting heads.
So what you're saying, how anybody could be on LaVar

(38:09):
ball side here? I mean, honestly, if you have kids
and your kid, let's begin with the how this story began, right,
LaVar Ball's kid, Lie Angelo, was an idiot, and so
were his teammates. They went to China and they shoplifted.
I mean, that is so incredibly mind numbingly stupid. And
then only because of their privilege, only because of their

(38:32):
Pack twelve connections, only because of their connections with rich
Chinese boosters, only because of their connection to the State
Department and the Presidency, did they actually avoid potentially going
to jail for years. In other words, if this were
just a normal kid, a normal seventeen or eighteen year
old or twenty year old who's over there in a college,

(38:53):
they would probably have to face severe consequences for their actions. Instead,
as a result of their privilege, they get the people
at the highest ranks of power to get them out
of the consequences of their actions. And if you are
a dad, like I don't know what kind of lesson
Lie Angelo takes from this, if he takes anything, any
kind of lesson at all. But if you're a dad,

(39:14):
I'm a dad. If one of my sons, and I've
got three sons, just like LaVar Ball, if one of
my sons did something this stupid, and anybody was able
to get them out of Chinese prison or Chinese jail,
I would be very thankful to them. I think just
about every single person listening would be. Now, is it
better if you thank them instead of them demanding an apology?
I guess. But once you get there, you're talking about

(39:35):
mismanners as opposed to the actual substantive basis of this story.
If my kids are facing time in a Chinese prison
and you get them out, I'm gonna thank you, no
matter what political basis you have, no matter what you've
done in other aspects of your life, because you have
done me a favor. And that's how the world works.
When people do you favors and treat you better than
maybe you deserve, you thank them for it. And you know,

(39:57):
the fact that LaVar Ball turns this into a story
by saying thank you is just I think a testament
to the world that we're in today. All right, look
enough all of our ball. We've talked about it. Maybe
we'll hit him again an hour three. But up next,
I'm gonna break down the college football playoff picture. The
rankings come out tonight, what's the status, what's the story
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(41:46):
conclude the regular season. We got Alabama going on the
road against Auburn. We've got Clemson going on the road
against South Carolina. We have got what usually used to
be a good game Florida Florida State. We got Kentucky,
we got Louisville. We've got all of these kind of internescent, awful,
incestuous in state rivalry games that are taking place today,

(42:07):
uh this weekend, and many of them starting on Thursday,
will have a substantial impact and who ends up playing
for the College Football Championship in the playoff. And so
last week I kind of ran through all the different
teams that were still in the mix potentially to make
the playoff, and I had to be honest with you,
I got it wrong a little bit, and that I

(42:28):
don't think I was expansive enough to conclude all the
teams that had a remote chance of making the playoff.
And so tonight you're gonna hear a lot about the
teams that are in the top four, a lot about
the teams in the top six. I have done an
exhaustive study as we finished up the regular season, and
then include also the conference title games, and I believe

(42:49):
there are eleven teams that still have a heartbeat in
some form or fashion to make the college football playoffs.
So I thought that I would run through that entire
hire a picture for you right now to give you
a tutorial. If you're a college football fan, you're gonna
love it. If you're not a college football fan, then frankly,
I think you're wasting your life, because on a week

(43:10):
to week basis, college football games I believe are more
entertaining as a whole than the NFL team games are
as a whole. And that's not just because I'm a
college football fan. I love the NFL too. I love
football probably as much as just about everybody out there
who's listening right now. It's my favorite sport. I actually
like college more than the NFL. But there one two
for me. But this college football playoff. If you remember

(43:34):
when we went to a playoff three years ago, it's
now been three years. We're going into the fourth year
of the college football playoff. A lot of the old
fuddy duddy crowd out there said, oh, man, once we
go to the college football playoff, people are gonna be upset.
It's not gonna be as entertaining. You're not gonna have
as powerful or positive of an overall landscape of college football.

(43:54):
You're gonna ruin the regular season. Well, you're totally wrong.
It's one of the dumbest arguments that's ever been made
in the story of sports. And so as we come
up on the fourth year of the college football Playoff,
this thing is a resounding success. It's leading to record
ratings for the big games. And like I said, even
in entering the final week of the regular season, there's
still eleven teams with a playoff heartbeat. So I'm gonna

(44:17):
start with the conference that has the most teams alive,
and I'm gonna break down each of their chances. Eventually,
I'm gonna bring in my gay Jason Martin, say those
I too complicated that you follow this. Let me know. Okay,
let's start here. SEC. There are three teams still alive
for the College Football Playoff in the SEC, Alabama, Auburn,
and Georgia. Alabama and Auburn obviously play this weekend. I'm

(44:40):
gonna break down each of those three teams for you.
If Alabama wins against Auburn and then beats Georgia, Alabama
will be in as the overall number one seed in
the College Football Playoff and everyone else in the SEC
will be eliminated. That's the easiest possible outcome. Alabama beats
Auburn on Saturday, Alabama beats Georgia on the next Saturday,
both Auburn and Georgia are left outside of the playoff,

(45:02):
and the Crimson Tide roll into the College Football Playoff
is the number one overall seed. Okay, that could happen, right,
There's no doubt about that. There's no uncertainty, there's no
lack of security here. There's no uh reason why people
should be afraid of that outcome. Right, Okay, So that's
one potential outcome. If Auburn beats Alabama, then Auburn then

(45:25):
has to also go to Atlanta and beat Georgia. If
Auburn beats Alabama and Auburn beats Georgia, then Auburn will
be into the College Football Playoff no uncertainty, and Alabama
at eleven and one would still have a chance as
a one lost team depending on how the rest of
the playoffs shook out, to also make the playoffs. So

(45:45):
there's a possibility that if Auburn beats Alabama, there's still
two SEC teams alive. Georgia has to beat Georgia Tech
this weekend in a rivalry game at Georgia Tech, and
then they have to also beat either Auburn or Alabama.
That's the only way that Georgia will get into the
College Football Playoff. If twelve and one Georgia beats twelve

(46:09):
and one Alabama, then I think there's a pretty good
chance that twelve and one Alabama would also make the
playoff alongside twelve and one Georgia, who would have to
win the SEC championship. That's the SEC playoff picture, all right.
Let's go to the a SEC. Miami plays this weekend
at Pittsburgh. Clemson plays at South Carolina. Assuming that both

(46:31):
those teams win, then you would get eleven and one
South Carolina against eleven and Oh Miami. Remember Miami only
played eleven games because their game was canceled at areas
at Arkansas State because of the hurricane. Whoever wins that
game would a hundred percent be in the playoff. If
Clemson loses, then Clemson probably is out of the running

(46:53):
for the playoffs. I say probably because there's still a
lot of different outcomes and craziness that could happen. If
Miami is twelve and oh, they're in. And there's no
doubt if Clemson wins and goes twelve and one, Clemson
is in. So whoever wins the a c C title
in the event that eleven and one Clemson plays eleven
and Oh Miami is going to be in the playoff.
But if Miami loses a close game against Clemson, I

(47:16):
actually think there's a decent chance that eleven and one
Miami could get in as well. Okay, that's the a
c C playoff picture. Still two teams alive. That's five
of the eleven teams are alive, three in the a
c C and the SEC two in the a c C.
How about the Big twelve. Technically there's still two teams alive.
Oklahoma is the favorite. They should beat West Virginia this

(47:38):
weekend and advanced the Big Twelve title game at eleven
and one, where they are likely to meet TCU. What
would happen if TCU, who is right now, UH needs
to finish ten and two to finish second overall in
the Big Twelve were two upset Oklahoma. First of all,
this is the argument I made against the Big Twelve

(47:59):
are having a title game. I said, guys, there's no
reason for the Big Twelve to need a title game
because it's just as likely to knock a team out
of the playoff as it is get a team into
the playoff. And that's exactly what we could see here.
West Virginia quarterback Will Greer is not slated to play.
Oklahoma is a three touchdown favorite over West Virginia. They're

(48:21):
playing in Norman. It would be a tremendous upset for
Oklahoma to lose this game. If Oklahoma finishes eleven and one,
then they would theoretically be in great shape. But if
they lose the Big Twelve title game, they might fall
out of the playoff and cost the Big Twelve a spot.

(48:41):
There's an outside chance that eleven into TCU could still
get into playoff as well. So that's the Big Twelve
title picture, the Big Ten title picture. Wisconsin got a
decent win over the highly overrated Jim Harbaugh at Michigan.
Wisconsin is now eleven and oh they play Minnesota. They
should run rough shot over Minnesota and be twelve, and

(49:02):
oh Ohio State plays against Michigan. They have to beat
Michigan on the road. They're favored by around two touchdowns,
and they then would have to beat Wisconsin thirteen and
oh Wisconsin is into the playoff no doubt. If Wisconsin
loses to Ohio State and loses the Big Ten title,
and by the way, Ohio State would be a pretty

(49:24):
substantial favorite in this game, probably around the nine or
ten point favorite, I think, honestly, if that happened. If
that happened, that Ohio State beat Wisconsin, then Ohio State
would need several things to happen to be able to
make the playoff. They would need Alabama to win out,
they would probably need Miami to win out, and they
probably would need Oklahoma to win out as well. If

(49:47):
all three of those things happen, then Ohio State at
eleven and two might still be the best of the
remaining title teams, So that is the big ten playoff picture.
Now the Pac twelve needs a lot help. But in theory, USC,
which is now finished their season at ten intwo and
gotten Jim morri fired, and the Trojans could either play

(50:12):
against Stanford or Washington State because Washington has been eliminated.
Stanford's Pack twelve season is finished, they have the tie
break over Washington, So if Washington State upsets Washington, then
they upset USC, then theoretically Washington State could still be alive.
They are the least likely of the eleven potential playoff

(50:34):
teams to still be in the running because an eleven
in two Washington State team could on the very outside
find their way in if they beat Washington and USC
to finish the season, USC is much more likely to
finish eleven in two. What would USC need to make
the playoff, I'll tell you. First of all, they need
to root for Alabama to eliminate Auburn and Georgia and

(50:57):
finished thirteen and oh then nest Lee, I think they
need to root for Miami to eliminate Clemson and finish
eleven and oh and Frankly, I think they need a
little bit of craziness to happen. I think they need
Michigan to beat Ohio State, and then Ohio State to
come back and beat Wisconsin, which would probably knock the

(51:20):
Big Ten out of the playoff picture and open up
a spot for another conference champ there. Then whatever happens
in the Big Twelve, you get Oklahoma in and the
best two lost champion that could be remaining would be
Eleven in two USC. Now, I just ran through off
the top of my head. I deserve a damn award

(51:40):
for this. I just ran through the entire college football
playoff picture for all five major conferences and told you
the eleven teams that are still all at large and
could hope to be a part of the four team playoff.
Did I do a decent job of that? Or did
I drive you completely insane? I'm not sure we're gonna
go to break right now and we come back. I

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will ask Jason Martin whether or not I made any
sense and whether he has any thoughts about those eleven
teams and their chances to actually make the playoff. All
of that and more on a beautiful Tuesday here in
November as we inch closer and closer to Thanksgiving and
potential bedlam in the college football national title picture. Your

(52:21):
responses on Twitter, fire away at Clay Travis. You can
let me know what you think about that breakdown, But
I'll bring in Jason Martin and I'll ask him whether
or not I made sense of the college football playoff picture.
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(53:05):
a confident show that was a confident breakdown of all
of the craziness that could still exist. There are eleven
teams still alive to make the college football Playoff if
you break them all down on an individual basis. Now
that we have finished the next to last weekend of
college football and look forward to the final regular season

(53:26):
weekend in advance of the conference title games. Jason Martin,
did that make sense? Did you have any questions? Did
you have any thoughts? I think I have finished and
covered just about every possible outcome. And I say that
because I can't tell you the number of people I
have emailing me on a regular basis with just it's
amazing to me. And by the way, I love all
your emails and all your feedback. But it'll just be

(53:48):
like some guy I don't know, some stranger and he
just like sends me a series of hypotheticals, what happens
if this game happens, then this one happens, and then
that happen is like it's like a whole paragraph of craziness,
and then he's then who were the four playoff teams?
I'm like, I don't have time to just respond to
it on an individual basis for all that, so I
am confident that I have hit all eleven teams and

(54:09):
roughly what would need to happen for them to make
the playoff picture. Did it make sense? It made as
much sense as something that complicated can be. I mean,
I took a lot of notes during that first segment,
because I knew that I wasn't gonna remember everything that
you said, and you went through the eleven teams, the
one thing that I noticed Notre Dame is done right
was Notre Dame is dead. There is literally, in my opinion,

(54:33):
no hypothetical way that Notre Dame can make the college
football playoff. And let me tell you why, because Notre
Dame has lost to two teams that are currently ranked
above them, Georgia and Miami. Even if Georgia lost out frankly,
which is not likely to happen, right, and even if
Miami lost out, I still think you'd have to put

(54:54):
both of those teams above Notre Dame. So I don't
see anyway that ten and two Notre Dame game, who
has a big game to finish against Stanford, has any
chance to make the playoff, just like I don't believe
there's any way that Stanford, who frankly, could make the
college football playoff, right, I mean that's sorry. The Pac
twelve title game, I think that's very likely because I

(55:15):
think Washington is gonna beat Washington State, which would put
Stanford into play USC even though Stanford might well win
the Pac twelve title. They have zero chance to actually
make the Pac twelve title game because they've already lost
three games. Even if they beat Notre Dame, and even
if they beat USC two two end the season, they
just have too many losses. A three loss team is

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never going to play for the title. And so if
you're a Stanford fan, if you're waking up early out
there on the West Coast and you're like, you know what,
we've had a pretty good year, I don't disagree with you.
And if you're thinking to yourself, you know what, we
could actually win the Pac twelve, yeah, I think you
got a good chance to play for it. I think
right now, if I were predicting, I think Stanford is
going to play USC for the Pack twelve title. But

(55:57):
I think Stanford has absolutely nothing to do with the
college football playoff picture, just like Notre Dame. Even though
the Fighting Irish have had a good season. Even though
I understand Notre Dame, you bring a lot of eyeballs
that otherwise don't pay attention to college football. You are
out of the college football playoff, unfortunately for Irish fans,
because you lost to Georgia and you lost to Miami,

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and there's no way you can ever get back above
both those teams. Yeah, and that makes good sense. You can't, obviously,
even if Miami and Georgia lose out. Like you said,
the fact that they both beat Notre Dame makes it
impossible that Notre Dame could leap either one of them
for that to make any sense. I look at it,
and my big takeaway when you look at the eleven
teams that you mentioned is I have seen this argument made.

(56:42):
I've seen the argument that scarcity breeds competition and breeds drama.
But too much scarcity doesn't make any logical sense. And
we have made this point many times on this program
that there should be an eight team playoff. I know
we don't have that right now, but you can't tell
me that the Big Fight. If you win the Big Five,
one of the Big five conferences, you don't deserve a

(57:02):
chance to play in a playoff. There's a chance that
potentially an undefeated Wisconsin team doesn't do enough or they
have to do so much to get in. I think
a hundred a hundred percent. I disagree with that. I
think a hundred percent chance. Definitely, Wisconsin is thirteen to
know they're in I think it's impossible for them to
miss it. Now, I agree with you. I like the
idea of a five team conference title playoff. Here's what

(57:26):
I would say if we're if somebody out there were
listening to us and they were saying, oh, you know what,
I like the four team. What's the best argument they
could make? The best argument they could make is, what
if three loss Ohio State wins the Big Ten? What
if three loss uh Stanford wins the Pack twelve? What
if two loss or three loss Frankly, TCU or Oklahoma

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State wins the Big Twelve? What if what if two
loss Auburn wins the s That's the problem. Here's the problem.
Here's here's the issue there. If you're gonna do it,
we're suggesting go the eight team playoff. I you, I
understand what your argument is there. But the answer there
is to get rid of these nonsensical title games. Yeah, well,
I agree with you on some level, but still you
would still have three loss teams. I guess that's true, right,

(58:13):
I mean, because and then the challenge becomes, if you
do you can't do away with the conference title games. Now,
because frankly, I agree with you, I think they're oftentimes
very useless, but they make so much money that at
this point they're ingrained into the fabric of the overall
college football ecosystem, so it's almost impossible to pull them out.
So my concern about just awarding automatic conference championships is

(58:35):
just this year, you could end up with three loss Stanford.
You could end up with three loss Ohio State. You
could end up with three loss Oklahoma State. Let's just
say you could end up with I mean, there are
a lot of different arenas out there where you could
point to them and say, man, the team that actually
wins the conference isn't that good. Now. Auburn with two

(58:56):
losses would probably make the playoff. You could end up
with a situation where two law Clemson wins. I just
it becomes a little bit more like the NFL. There's
the argument against it. It becomes a little bit more
like the NFL, and so individual losses don't matter that
much already. Frankly, if Ohio State ends up playing for
the championship, I I have a legitimate problem with that

(59:19):
because I think if you lose by thirty one points
to a team like Iowa that is not very good,
and you give up fifty five points to them. You
to me, you don't deserve the right to play for
a national championship because your performance in that game was
so bad that if the regular season matters, it's not

(59:42):
like that was their only loss. Again, if the regular
season matters, Ohio State lost by fifteen at home to Oklahoma,
and they lost by thirty one on the road to Iowa,
which is not a good football team. To me, that's
a bridge almost too far to even suggest that Ohio
State deserves the right to make the playoffs. And they

(01:00:03):
might be able to make the playoff in a four
team If we went to an eight team, there would
be a lot of not very good teams that would
end up making the playoff. That would be my concern. Now,
I agree with you in theory that if you just
eliminated the conference title games, that knocks out the danger
on some level of the inferior team winning. Here's the problem.
Here's the problem that I have in general, I think

(01:00:25):
we are likely to have these college football conference title
games USC against Stanford. USC finished with fewer Pack twelve losses,
and they already beat Stanford head to head. We know
who the best team in the Pack twelve would be
if it's USC against Stanford, if it's Alabama. Uh. Let's

(01:00:46):
say if it's Auburn against Georgia. That game already happened.
I already watched Auburn beat Georgia by twenty three points
two weeks ago. Why would I need to see a
repetition of that game? It doesn't make any sense to me.
If Wisconsin finishes twelve and oh and Ohio State finishes
nine and three, even if Wisconsin has played an inferior schedule,

(01:01:10):
why would I need to see Wisconsin play a three
loss maybe and certainly two loss Ohio State team to
figure out the champ Why do I need to see
a big twelve rematch when I already know that Oklahoma
was the best team for the entirety of the regular season.
Why in the uh? In the potentially why in the

(01:01:33):
a c C. Let's say that Clemson lost to South
Carolina and Miami finished eleven and oh, why does Miami
need to go play Clemson when they were clearly the
best team? I think that's kind of an interesting question.
We'll dive back into this a little bit on the
flip side, but let me bring in my guy Eddie Garcia.
Now find out what's trending, what's shaken in the world
of sports. Take it away, Eddie Well, let's start with

(01:01:54):
Monday night football in Seattle or the Falcons beat the
Seahawks and Lanta improves the six and four. Matt Ryan
had two touchdown passes in the win. Seattle drops to
six and four. They had a fake field goal that
didn't convert at the end of the second half, and
then missed a fifty two yard field goal with seven
seconds a player that would have tied it. Atlanta right
now is the final wild card team in the NFC
playoff picture. Seattle, along with Detroit are the first two

(01:02:17):
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Winston is gonna remain out of action for a week
twelve because of his shoulder injury. Steelers right tackle Marcus
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policy on performance dancing drugs. In the NBA, the Celtics
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(01:03:20):
out which way is easier. A couple of you on
Twitter asking questions, do you really think that Washington State
could be in? Yeah? Maybe? Honestly, I mean, I think
they are the team out there that everybody's saying, what
Washington State still alive? Um? Look again, I think that
Washington State and USC to a certain extent to what

(01:03:41):
they would need to happen. If you're a Pack twelve fan,
you're waking up on Tuesday and you're like, wow, we're
still alive, what you would need to happen is you
want Alabama to beat Auburn. Okay, you want Alabama to
then beat Georgia. You want thirteen to know Alabama to
eliminate the other two SEC teams. You want Miami to
beat Clemson. You want eleven and oh Miami to become
Ovan oh Miami and be the unquestioned a CC title team. Frankly,

(01:04:04):
I think you probably want Oklahoma to go ahead and
win out against Oklahoma against TCU or whoever they end
up playing against in the title game, and then what
you really need is chaos in the big in the
Big Ten. Now, maybe you could also say, you know what,
I want Oklahoma to lose to West Virginia. Okay, I

(01:04:24):
understand that it's highly unlikely, but if you wanted Oklahoma
to lose to West Virginia and then you wanted a
two loss or three lost champ to emerge from the
Big twelve, I think that would certainly happen. I think
you also probably need the Big Ten. Wisconsin can't win.
Wisconsin can't win the Big Big Ten because at thirteen
to know they're definitely in, you need Ohio State to win,
and you might well need Ohio State to win, having

(01:04:48):
lost already to UH to Michigan, so that three loss
Ohio State becomes your Big ten champ and then I
think the PAC twelve could be in the mix now,
maybe even with the two law Ohio State as a champ.
I mean, I we haven't had a lot of this discussion,
but what about two loss USC versus two loss Ohio State.

(01:05:09):
You know what, I think you can make a pretty
strong argument that eleven in two USC, if they had
a nice win in the Pact twelve title game, would
maybe deserve to get in over eleven in two Ohio State.
Let me make that case. If you're a Trojan and
you're sitting around out there in l A right now,
and you've been kicking dirt all season, who were USC's

(01:05:29):
two losses too? All Right? They lost to Notre Dame
and they got their ass kicked. All right, that's tough.
That's a tough loss. But it's not like Notre Dame
is a bad team. If Notre Dame finishes ten and two,
they're gonna be a top ten team. That's not awful.
And then also they lost, They went on the road
and they lost at Washington State on a Friday night

(01:05:51):
in Pullman. Well, I would tell you that maybe the
best result for USC could be if Washington State upsets
Washington then the USC could get a rematch against Washington
State and they could cleanse that loss. In other words,
if USC came back and beat the crap out of
Washington State, I think it would be hard to hold

(01:06:14):
that loss against USC anymore. Does that makes sense to you,
Jason Martin? Like, if you come back and beat the
team that beat you earlier in the year, I think
for many people that kind of cleanses that loss. It
removes the palette of defeat and you say, Okay, yeah,
they lost earlier in the season, but they're clearly better now.
I don't think we should hold that against them. Okay,

(01:06:35):
if we did that, if we broke down USC schedule
in that way, then USC eleven and two, how would
that compare to eleven and two Ohio State? Well, obviously
Ohio States getting a big win over Wisconsin at the
end of the season, but they still would have a
thirty one point loss on the road against Iowa, a

(01:06:56):
team that's not good, and they would also have a
fifteen point wash against Oklahoma. I don't know about you,
but I can feel pretty good potentially about saying eleven
in two USC might be better than eleven in two
Ohio State. Is that a crazy argument I'm making, Jason Martin,

(01:07:16):
not at all. Um, you know, it's it's interesting to me.
I do a hundred percent agree that you would want
Washington State to play you again so that you could
potentially cancel out what happened in Pullman with me, right,
Like if that would kind of cancel that loss out
if USC came back and beat him soundly to win
the Pack Dwolf tie. Yeah, I mean that was a
really good football game that night in Washington State was

(01:07:37):
firing on all cylinders. It was in their house, they
was clocking. It was a great football game. Early in
the season between those two teams, Ohio State got drubbed
by Iowa and they lost at home to Baker Mayfield,
who actually planted the flag at midfield after the game.
So I I do think that the U. S c.
O s U argument is intriguing. Also, I don't know

(01:07:59):
that this place into it, but wouldn't you want to
have a West Coast team if you were the race
everything comes in. I mean, it is kind of fascinating
because Ohio State has managed to find themselves in the playoff.
You know, to be frank, last year, I think a
lot of people said, I don't know that I did
think Ohio State deserves to play because they didn't win
their division, they didn't win their conference, and they lost

(01:08:19):
head to head to Penn State, the team that did so.
I think certainly there are a lot of people out
there who did not feel like Ohio State deserved to
get in. And I think the brand of Ohio State
and Urban Meyer certainly plays in there. SC is a
big brand, l A is a big city. So I
think you're talking about two major brands duking it out
down the stretch. If both finish eleven and two and

(01:08:40):
win their respective conference championships, I think there's an argument
for boast of both of them. Now you know that
in that situation, it could really come down to those
two because if Oklahoma finishes twelve and one or even
eleven and two and wins the Big twelve. There's no
way that Ohio State can get in above Oklahoma him
a right, And there's no way. I don't think that

(01:09:02):
Ohio State can get in above the SEC champ or
the A C C champ. So what you're really arguing
about is the fourth spot there. And I could really
see it coming down to USC versus Ohio State. Yeah,
I could too. I just that's what I was thinking,
is the idea of those two teams being such big brands,
and if you're just looking for star power, there is
star power to be found on both sides. But Sam

(01:09:23):
Donald's the biggest name of those two schools right now
in terms of the way people will be paying attention
to him as they look towards potentially the NFL Draft.
I look at those two schools, I just keep looking
at this thing. I want to see. Oklahoma went out
because I think they deserve to be there. Quite frankly,
they lost to a pretty good Iowa State football team
that it was really tight loss too. I mean to me,

(01:09:47):
I know who you to me, what you have to
consider is not only what the score of who you
lost to, but what the score of the game was.
So to me losing this is a great staff that
I love to hit. But like Alabama coming into this
game against Auburn, who knows what's gonna happen. But the
last time they lost by more than seven points in
a regular season game was two thousand ten. So to me,

(01:10:08):
there's a difference between let's say a team like Oklahoma
losing a tight game to a team like um certainly
Iowa State that surprised them, but as a decent team,
right like an eight win caliber team. They've beaten some
good teams. They beat TCU, Iowa State's pretty good, and

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and the other team in Iowa that just drubbed Ohio
State and scored fifty five on them and beat them
by thirty one points. And again Ohio State losing by
fifteen at home. Those are big losses. That's not a
game where you change one play and the entire outcome
of the game can be different. Oklahoma is very close

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to being undefeated. Clemson, while they lost to a bad
Syracuse team, their quarterback got knocked out of the game
and they lost a close game. Like I can see
how good teams lose close games, I don't understand how
good teams get blown out. That seems to me to
be a bridge too far, one that I'm not buying,
And that's the challenge to about USC. They also have

(01:11:12):
a really bad road loss, but at least they're bad
road loss was to a top ten Notre Dame team. Yeah,
I agree. It just seems like, you know, I kind
of don't want to see anybody from the Big ten
get in because I don't necessarily think Wisconsin is as
good as either of the top two teams. SEC. Yeah,
I think Alabama would destroy Wisconsin. I watched that game

(01:11:32):
against Michigan and I said, my god, if they get
to play against the pro style team I'm talking about
Alabama and they get to play against Wisconsin, which has
a mediocre quarterback who really is not able to stretch
the field and isn't mobile or able to even extend plays,
this would be a total blowout. I mean, I really

(01:11:52):
honestly believe this. You give Nick Saban like three weeks
to get ready for Wisconsin, for instance, and I'm not
sure Wisconsin score is on Alabama. I mean that honestly.
I'm not trying to be disrespectful to Wisconsin. I picked
them to make the playoff before the season started. I
was one of the few people who did. I picked
Wisconsin to win the Big Ten. But that pro style
offense going up against Nick Sabans defense, They're not gonna

(01:12:15):
be able to run the football. That's just a given.
Alabama with three weeks to prepare against the pro style offense,
you're not gonna be able to run the football. You
need a dynamic quarterback who can extend plays and make
throws down the field. Wisconsin doesn't have it. That's the
best possible matchup for Alabama to get. So I don't
see Wisconsin is being able to be capable of Now
I've said this from the get go. Maybe we need
to get to this in the final segment. Who could

(01:12:36):
actually beat Alabama? I think Auburn can I think Alabama,
And I'm gonna get to this in the final segment.
I'll tell you what Alabama's final most difficult game is.
It's on the road against Auburn. That's the biggest obstacle
Alabama has to winning a national championship. It's tougher than
the game against Georgia would be, and it's tougher than
either of the playoff games would be, I believe. But

(01:12:57):
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the way that I broke down that Alabama Wisconsin potential
matchup that the Badgers would be absolutely dead on arrival
for that game? Yeah? I mean as an Alabama fan,
that one would be the most appetizing matchup just from

(01:13:41):
that standpoint from watching a football game. That would be
a hideous, hideous beating that Alabama would lay on Wisconsin.
No disrespect past the obvious disrespect to Wisconsin. They're just
not Alabama. The game I'm scared of is one you
mentioned right before the break as an Alabama fan. That's
right now, rweve national championship shared that Auburn team scares

(01:14:03):
me to death right now because they're they're huge upfront,
their defense is really playing well. That quarterback is a
little bit terrifying. Jared Stidham. I'm just and and I
love their running attack as well. Like right now, that's
the one team I look at that I'm afraid of.
I'm not really afraid of Georgia anymore. I'm not afraid
of Miami. I don't think Clemson is quite what they

(01:14:24):
were obviously a season ago. Oklahoma I think would be intriguing,
but their defense obviously leaves a lot to be desired there.
Auburn is the one that scares me right now. Yeah, look,
I mean I think that that's totally true. I mean,
the line is opened, it's around four ish on that
line continues to move, bounce around. Alabama is a four
point favorite. We know how big of a rivalry game

(01:14:45):
that is. I think that Auburn has the best chance
to get Alabama of any team potentially left on their schedule.
I don't think Georgia and Jake from have the horses
have the ability to make plays down the field. I
think Alabama would kind of anaconda that Georgia Bulldog Football
All team put him to sleep a little bit. I
do think once you got into the playoff that if

(01:15:06):
Oklahoma were there, they have a difference maker at quarterback.
Now you can be upset about Baker Mayfield planting the flag,
you can be upset about him grabbing his crotch. What
Baker Mayfield does on the football field is he's a
difference maker. He is as close to Baker Mayfield as
exists among the contenders this year. Uh no, no to

(01:15:27):
did I say Baker Mayfield. I mean he's as close
to Deshaun Watson that that The only reason why Alabama
lost last year was because Deshaun Watson had transcendent abilities. Um,
there is no doubt at all, right, Like, he is
a total difference maker when he's on the field. He
extends plays, he can make unbelievable throws. He's mobile, he

(01:15:49):
can get a first down with his legs if he
needs to. If you go back and watch that game.
The last two years that he played against Alabama, Deshaun
Watson had tremendous success. It was one reason that you
and I Jason Martin both liked him in this year's
draft because Nick Saban runs an NFL Pro style offense,
and we saw for two straight years Deshaun Watson pick
apart Nick Saban's team, and so as a result, I

(01:16:10):
felt somewhat confident in Deshaun Watson being decent against Alabama's defense. Now,
I'm not sure that Baker Mayfield is anywhere near as
good as Deshaun Watson. I'm not sure that he could
make plays in the same way, but I know that
he could, and he's the only quarterback I see. I
don't buy into anybody else on any of the contending

(01:16:31):
teams as being such a difference maker at the quarterback
position that they could leave Nick Saban like pulling his
hair out and throwing his headset. Are you with me
that of the quarterbacks in the playoff contending teams, Baker
Mayfield is the only one that would probably make Nick
Saban just a little bit nervous. And by the way,
doesn't mean Baker Mayfield is not gonna come out and

(01:16:52):
throw five interceptions and get his team blown out going
up against Alabama. I think that certainly could happen. But
I think Baker Mayfield's got that Johnny Manziel, He's got
that Deshaun Watson. He's got that Tim Tebow. He has
the ability to make plays in a way that beats
the Alabama defense. Alabama is not gonna beat itself. You
typically have to beat them, and I think Bake Baker

(01:17:14):
Mayfield has the ability to beat Alabama. I agree, And
that's why I mentioned Manziel and thought that might have
been who you were talking about in that situation, because
all the guys that you just mentioned in a large
effect looked like they draw plays in the dirt sometimes
and they can pull themselves out of trouble. They can
escape when they have to. They can make just wizard
plays out there on the field. And the one thing
that scares me against the team like Oklahoma is Baker

(01:17:36):
Mayfield intermediate passing, because the Alabama linebackers maybe not quite
as fast, not quite as dynamic as we've seen in
previous years. He might be able to pick them apart
in that like eight to fifteen sixteen yard range and
not have to deal with make of Fitzpatrick and some
of the guys deeper down in the secondary. That might
make it a little bit easier for Oklahoma, but absolutely

(01:17:57):
the potential and likely Heisman Trophy winner is definitely the
most dangerous quarterback that Alabama could face in the playoffs.
There's no doubt. And look, I mean that is your
college football kind of breakdown as we get ready for
what I think is gonna be a pretty scintillating Thursday, Friday,
Saturday final week of the regular season. There are eleven
teams alive. If you're just waking up right now and
you're scratching your head, you're like eleven teams. Go back

(01:18:19):
and listen to the podcast. I guarantee you'll love it.
It'll probably the best breakdown you hear of the college
football situation as we enter the final week of the
regular season. Eleven teams, yes, I mean it. In the SEC,
there are three teams still alive Alabama, Auburn, and Georgia
in the A C C, Miami and certainly Clemson. In
the Big Twelve. Everybody knows Oklahoma. I would say that

(01:18:40):
TCU is on the periphery. They're just hanging on by
their fingernails. In the Big Ten, certainly Uh, certainly Wisconsin,
which is still undefeated, but also Ohio State is like
the villain that won't quite die. They are still alive
to potentially make the playoffs, and in the Pact twelve,
a place where a lot of people frankly already said, man,
there's no way that any packed twelve team could still

(01:19:02):
be alive. I'm telling you that I like eleven and
two USC's argument better than I do eleven in two
Ohio State's argument, and even Washington State could be alive
if they could get the upset in the Apple Cup
and beat Washington. That is about as good of a
breakdown as I can give of everything that's out there
in the college Football Playoff. Will obviously get the College

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Football Playoff rankings tonight, we'll talk a little bit about
that Tomorrow. I'm sure I'm gonna be out. Jason Martin
will be hosting with Jeff Schwartz, and we've actually got
Jeff Schwartz joining us here in our three to break
down all of that. If you haven't heard it yet,
LaVar Ball went on CNN last night and he was
LaVar Ball esque. We've got the one minute and forty

(01:19:45):
five second highlight version highlighting quotation marks there of his
analysis of Donald Trump saving the UH saving l Angelo
Ball and the two other U c l A players
from Chinese prison will also break down Monday Night foot
ball kind of put into context what we believe we
learned in the Atlanta Falcons against the Seattle Seahawks. All
of that coming in our three and again, like I said,

(01:20:08):
Jeff Shortz will join us as well, maybe a little
bit of animal Thunderdome in the final segment of our
three as well. So thank you for joining us here
on the Tuesday in advance of Thanksgiving. Lots more to come.
Still here in our three are the Falcons in the
playoffs for good? Now? Do we think they'll stay there?
Are the Seahawks done? And LaVar? All that next our

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and the Atlanta Falcon's got a massive win. I always
like to pay attention to the NFL playoff picture as
we come down the stretch here and right now, the

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NFC is obviously an incredibly competitive jumble at the top.
So if you're out there right now and you're starting
your Tuesday, as we head into the NFL Week eleven,
where obviously a lot of games will be played on
Thanksgiving in a couple of days, First of all, I
hope you guys have a fabulous Thanksgiving, and for many
of you as you start work here, it's gonna be

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a short week, so just making a couple more days
and you'll be in good shape. Uh. Right now, in
the NFC, the Eagles will be the overall number one seed.
The Minnesota Vikings and case Keenum would be your two seed,
and the New Orleans Saints would be your three seed.
All of those teams are eight and two are better. Obviously,
the Eagles are the only nine win team in the
NFL as well. The Rams would be winning the NFC

(01:22:00):
West and they would be your four seed, and then
your two wild card teams would be the Carolina Panthers
at seven and three, who obviously are one game back
of the New Orleans Saints and one game above the
Atlanta Falcons. Right now, three of the six playoff teams
would all exist inside of the NFC South. I mean,

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that's a hell of a division with all the quarterback
play right there, Cam Newton, Matt Ryan, and Drew Brees,
three guys who have all been to Super Bowls from
the NFC South, and then Jameis Winston slash Ryan Fitzpatrick
at the other position right now. So when you break
all of those teams down, that's where the situation would end.

(01:22:42):
But outside of the NFC right now, you've got Detroit
at six and four and they are two games back
of Minnesota. Right now, you have got Seattle, who lost
last night, which is why it was such a massive
loss for the Seahawks. And then you've got Green Bay
and Dallas. Then you've out all the teams with losing records.
I think right now, if I were breaking down the

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NFC playoff package, I think Atlanta is in a lot
better position than Seattle because Seattle's injury situation. I'm not
sure other than Detroit, which I think could end up
in a in a in a competitive situation with the
Falcons at some point in time. Remember I believe I'm
correct about this. The Lions. Uh, let's see, did they
beat I think the Lions beat the Vikings earlier in

(01:23:27):
the year. Did they have fourteen to seven on October one?
So the Lions actually have the tie break right now
over the Vikings. Can the Lions coming up this week
on Thursday Night? Right? Can the Lions get that win
over the Vikings. That's a must win game for the Lions,
who have typically played pretty well in Thursday Night and
those Thanksgiving Day games, even though the Lions don't Lions

(01:23:50):
don't have a very storied history. If the Lions can
get that win over the Vikings, I actually feel pretty
good about their ability to break it down and make
that race over the final five weeks of the season.
Other than that, I think the injuries for the Seahawks
are gonna make it incredibly difficult, given how difficult their
schedule is for them to be in the mix. I'm

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gonna bring in the crew right now. Do you guys
agree with me that the Falcons this is just an
absolutely massive win. With that fifty two yard field goal
falling just a little bit short, the Falcons I think
are poised to get on a real run here, and
I think this was just a seismic win for the Falcons.
Let's go around the round the horn here and the crew. Obviously,

(01:24:34):
the Falcons coming off that three collapse. Sorry Atlanta sports
fans in the Super Bowl. But now as I look
at their schedule and start to break down, Look, they're
gonna beat the Bucks. They should this weekend, which gets
them to seven and four. Then the Vikings come to Atlanta.
I would actually expect for the Falcons to be favored there.
I think the Vikings are gonna be eight and four

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at the end of the next two weeks. I think
the Vikings will lose at Detroit, I really do. And
then I think the Vikings will lose at the Falcons
and everything will kind of be opened up there. Are
you guys with me though, that you expect now in
the playoff race for the Seahawks to kind of fade
a little bit. I already don't believe in the Cowboys.
I think there's a good chance they lose to the
Chargers on Thanksgiving. How would you see this playoff picture

(01:25:18):
playing out, Jason Martin, There's four games for the Falcons
coming up that are really intriguing the Seahawks when anytime
you win in Seattle is impressive. Doing it in primetime
on Monday Night against Russell Wilson, who usually shows up
when the lights are brightest, is incredibly impressive. But they're
playing Minnesota, they're playing New Orleans twice, and they're playing
Carolina to end the season. Those are four games against

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three likely playoff teams, or at least Carolina has got
a really good shot certainly to make the playoffs. So
the Falcons have it within their grasp to do what
it is that they need to do. When you look
at Seattle, Seattle without Richard Sherman, with some other issues,
not having a ton of playmakers on offense right now,
they've got to deal with Piladelphia. They've got to play
the Rams down the stretch. They go to Dallas and

(01:26:04):
we'll see if Dallas is even still in it by
that point. If they are, that makes that intriguing. And
they go to Jacksonville and we know Seattle doesn't travel
well and Jacksonville has an awesome defense, regardless of what
you think about Blake Bortles, and sometimes they can run
the football as well. So I think that that one
is also relatively intriguing. And then the Rams have a

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tough schedule to that. The NFC is really fascinating right
now because the Rams have to play they lose to Minnesota,
which was a big game. Now they have to go
straight up to play New Orleans. They also have to
play Philadelphia. Then they go to Seattle, they go to Tennessee,
which of course the Titans right now are in the playoffs.
So those are all tough games. So the NFC down

(01:26:44):
the stretch for these like four to six teams right
and there, the teams that aren't necessarily gonna win the division.
It's really fascinating. NFC is making up for a lot
of bad, bad football. On the other side, at least
we have half of the NFL that is gonna be
very entertaining down the stretch of this year. Are you
guys with me in l A. Do you think the
Seahawks are done? It's gonna be a tough road for

(01:27:08):
the Seahawks with what's left on their schedule, and also
considering that Pete Carroll has made some questionable calls, Blair
Walsh looks shaky. Those are there are the two reasons
why the Seahawks lost yesterday. Clay, I don't think it's
so much because they look I like the Falcons, but
they weren't so awesome last night. I think it was

(01:27:28):
more of the Seahawks dropping the ball there. I mean,
Walsh could have tied the game with that makeable field
goal in the fourth last night. So, uh, it's it's
still shaky for both teams because we're looking at the
at the Falcons remainder here. They got to play the
Saints twice. Yeah, and the Vikings and the Panthers. Yeah

(01:27:50):
it is Uh, it is gonna be really exciting football
down the stretch to figure out who gets those wild
card spots and also who's contending, uh in that divisional
round kind of four seed, whoever ends up in the
mix there? Okay, Uh, for everybody out there who missed
it last night, CNN making journalistic history. They have banned
me for using the phrase that I loved the First
Amendment and Boobs for saying that I like Boobs. I

(01:28:12):
am banned, but they had LaVar ball on. Really CNN
did last night for twenty three minutes to discuss why
he wouldn't say thank you to Donald Trump. This is
really where the American News Media is LaVar Ball on
for twenty three minutes, and then they had a panel
discussion breaking down the LaVar Ball interview after that. Our

(01:28:33):
crew out in l A has put together a one minute,
forty five seconds snapshot of what that performance actually sounded
like from LaVar Ball on CNN. Here it is so
the president. President says that he spoke to the Chinese president.
He says that the boys that the involvement of the
President of the United States mattered, and that then he

(01:28:55):
wanted some thanks, and instead you said, who what was
he Trump over there for? Don't tell me he wanted
some Everybody wants to make it seem like he helped
me out. I mean you you're trying to make a
sound like that. I'm just saying what you said. I
didn't meet when he faced to face. I know exactly
what I said. But you buffing it up like you
said that. You don't want to say thank you to nobody.

(01:29:16):
No coming. He says, he helped get them of China. Okay,
if if if he if if he paid for the
money to put up whatever we needed to do, then
I would say thank you. Did he do that? So
that's the bar. If he doesn't put up bail for
the boys, then he doesn't deserve thanks. Come on, it's
not if he didn't put up bail. He said he helped,

(01:29:37):
How he helped. If he helped, I would say thank you.
So who you think the president helped? Do I think
the President helped? Yes, I don't know. So do you
think he would be lying about he? Say what you want.
I didn't see him talk. I don't care, and I
don't know. I wasn't there. I'm not gonna say nothing.
I don't know, and I don't see it. I don't hear.
So the president's United States. And you say if you

(01:30:00):
didn't see it, you didn't hear it, you don't believe it. Hey,
if he said he helped, that's good for his mind?
What do you mean good for his I even got
to say that if you help, you shouldn't have to
say anything. If you help, you shouldn't have to if
I help somebody, I don't walk around saying you know,
I help you. Now come on, now you give me
love I helped you, then come on for real. That's

(01:30:20):
what we're doing for each other. That's a good question.
I know what he did for you? What were doing
for each other, and instead of saying thank you, took
a shot at him. What did he do for me?
We help you get your son out of China where
he could have been in jail for a long time?
What about some other What was he gonna be in
jail for a long time because he stole something before?
It would have been a long time years. You know what,

(01:30:43):
he's okay. He has so much character in eighteen years
and he's allowed to have a pass for that. Hey,
and I got a message for you. What is it?
Tell Donald Trump to have a great Thanksgiving? Because Big
Baller is absolutely absurd. Now. You know what's interesting about

(01:31:04):
this is I've got three sons, just like LaVar ball does.
I thought it was fascinating that in that interview he
is just totally making it seem like it's okay that
his grown ass son stole from stores in China. If
I took my nine year old overseas right now, nine

(01:31:25):
year old, he's in fourth grade and he stole from
a Chinese store, I would be furious beyond measure with him.
And I'm fairly confident that he would never steal again,
and he's nine years old. If it happened when he
was in college. I would lose my mind over it.

(01:31:46):
So the fact that LaVar Ball is just totally excusing
his son, who has created this entire situation to begin with,
is I think really strange. It's really strange behavior from
LaVar Ball, because all he had to do here was look,
I understand if you don't like the president. I understand
if you think that he's racist or sexist or misogynistic,

(01:32:07):
or you think he's a homophobe, or whatever, whatever reason
you want to dislike the president for, you can do that.
But how does that mean that you shouldn't also thank
the president when he gets your idiot son out of
jail or in any way assists. I have three boys,
if one of them was facing years in a Chinese prison,

(01:32:29):
and or they were just having difficulty in China and
they couldn't get back into our country, and the president
of the United States, who has billions of things, literally
billions of things that he could be doing that people
are demanding his help for, took the time to do
anything at all to help my idiot son get back
into the country. I would say thank you, And I

(01:32:51):
don't think that's remotely controversial. If somebody does something for
you that they don't have to do, and that's clearly
the case here with Donald Trump. Then you thank them
for their effort on your behalf. Now, would it be
better if Donald Trump didn't have to say go on
Twitter and say hey, thank me for my work. Yes, certainly,
But just as basic human decency, LaVar Ball should have

(01:33:14):
publicly thanked Donald Trump. I mean, honestly, if he wants
the Big Baller brand to get bigger, he should have
embraced Donald Trump. He should have sent Donald Trump some sneakers.
He should have sent Donald Trump some T shirts. I
think LaVar Ball totally misplayed this by trying to not
give Donald Trump credit because he manages to make Donald
Trump look reasonable in that entire interview. I think if

(01:33:37):
you have a functional brain, you have to be on
Donald trump side in this ridiculous spat. And by the way,
CNN is dead. The fact that they put this guy
on for twenty three minutes to talk this story and
then had a panel to discuss it is proof that
you honestly can't trust the news media anymore. They exist
to make money. They're gonna do whatever gets them the

(01:33:58):
better ratings. That's fine, but don't pretend that you're some
holier than now institution when you effectively are held hostage
by ratings and are gonna put on whatever rates the best.
You're not in the business of the public interest. You're
not in the business of journalism. You're in the business
of making money. That's fine, but don't hide behind the

(01:34:20):
truth of what you're doing. At CNN, at Fox News,
at MSNBC, everywhere out there. Journalism is not about serving
the public interests. It's about making money. And that's why
I always say, you guys have to follow aggressively all
of these stories and not allow yourself to get trapped
in the absurdity. All right, let's dive back into actual

(01:34:41):
sports news the NFL. We're gonna break it down with
my guy, Jeff Schwartz. He's guest hosting on Wednesday, Thursday,
and Friday with Jason Martin. He's gonna join us right
now and give you a little preview of what you're
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(01:35:25):
a f C playoff picture. Jason Martin and I have
been going back and forth dueling over Alex Smith for
a while. Are the Chiefs in trouble? Yeah? They played
terribly the last five games minus the Raiders game, but
also has played well as you said did um, yeah,
you have to go to a little bit in trouble
right now, started to really separate themselves. However, if you're

(01:35:47):
a Chiefs fan and I am my brother place for
the Chiefs, you have to hope and and wish or
want that the first five weeks the season, JNC Chiefs
shows back up, which were a dominant offense, you know,
defensively just doing enough. But right now it looks like
Alex Smith has were very back a little bit defensively,
still can't stop the run, can't rush the passer. Hopefully

(01:36:08):
d Ford and Tomball week and can come play soon
and help the path rush. They have a lot of problems,
but as I said, you have to hope that they
can return to the form of the first five weeks
and that team can win the sc The team now
cannot the Pittsburgh Steelers in New England Patriots are the
two best unquestioned teams I think in the a f C.
Can anybody other than Pittsburgh or New England, based on

(01:36:30):
what we have seen through ten weeks of the season,
win the a f C. No. I I will say this,
and this is cinder weird to say. Um, you know
the way Jackson will play defense, it will always keep
them in the game. UM. I will never trust Blake
Bortles to win a football game get the Patriots or
against the Steelers. But that defense plays well enough if

(01:36:51):
you keep them in a game long enough to where
possibly uh Bortles can do something to help them win,
or the run game can do something. But that defect
is playing a high level right now that it will
give them a chance, at least against the Patriots against
the against the Chiefs, whoever they're they're in, they're playing,
they're give them a chance to be competitive. But I

(01:37:12):
can never say that Blake bull as well win a
football game, you know, we win a playoff game for
those guys. As a result of the fact that obviously
there's a top heavy part of the a f C
with the Steelers and the Patriots, there are right now
only five teams in the a f C that have
winning records. And you know, two of those, I don't

(01:37:33):
know how good they are, the Chiefs and the and
the Titans, but that's it. Of the other eleven teams.
Is this first of all, is this as bad as
you remember seeing a conference in the NFL to only
have ten weeks in, to only have five teams with
winning records? We can't wanted me to playoffs at seven,
eight and one a couple of years ago. So it's
it could be worse, Um, you know, I I know, no,

(01:37:56):
I mean I think that we're seeing a lot of
injuries in the NFL this year. We're seeing so poor
quarterback play. You know, if you look at a team
like the Dolphins, everyone expected them to be a lot
better and contend they're not. You look at the Raiders.
They switched offensive schemes this year, brought a new offensives,
a coordinator has not worked out well for them. They're
going to Mexico City yesterday, I get get a couple
of days ago, get super embarrassed, and I just think

(01:38:19):
that you have teams not playing as well as you
saw it, and that's why it's the way it is
an a f C. But the top of the FC
is still really good. So if you're a football fan,
when the playoffs come around, those you know those teams
will be fun to watch. Yesterday I teed off on
Marshawn Lynch for not standing for the American national anthem
but standing for the Mexican national anthem. And the reason

(01:38:41):
why I did it actually I teed off on him
on Sunday and then I teed off on him again
on Monday during the show. And the reason why I
did it was I said, look, if you are going
to criticize the United States government for what it is doing,
the Mexican government is like a billion times worse and
virtually every to gory human rights, minority rights, UH, police brutality,

(01:39:06):
safety of of of citizens, all of those things. So
to me, that was a slap in the face, even
more so than not standing for the American national anthem.
You agree or disagree, Is this a story that deserves
as much attention as it's gotten. Well, this is kind
of a little bit of the same thing that you
are in into, like doing to China and when when

(01:39:27):
the California won't allow them to go to uh it's
hypocritical in the in the EU. Yeah, so look, I look,
I I think that that this anthem issue was about
dead until the President talked about it in week three.
Obviously it's still gonna be talked about. He's still tweeting
about it. He's making it a lot of um, you know,
a lot of people's business. When I think that this

(01:39:47):
was slowly going to die, um it's not. And it's
obviously drops gradings down a little bit. And you know,
I think we can get to a brought the spession
about ladies at some point, but they seem to be
declining about the same level and the rest of television
nflsan so bullet proof for so many years as far
as the ratings, they they keep going up and everyone
else keeps going down. Um so is it the ratings

(01:40:08):
means is the protest? Is it just natural that the
progression was going to happen? But you know this doesn't help.
And now more people again will hear about Mars lens
Um and the way you handle a anthem protests and
maybe at least to less people watching, which I think
is the goal of some people when it comes to
how they approach the anthem protests. Is it fair to

(01:40:30):
say that something seems a ry about a locker room
internally with the Oakland Raiders? And I say that because
they have on their big national showcase games, whether it's
against the Redskins or now on. I'm not saying they
should beat the Patriots, right, Tom Brady is playing fantastic.
The Patriots seemed to have gotten a lot of their

(01:40:50):
defensive issues resolved, But to just go out and get
humiliated like they did in a game that they basically
know they have to win in order to stay in
the mid for the playoffs, it feels like there's something
rotten in the Raiders locker room because they're too talented
to be as bad as they've been, and injuries don't
explain it totally away, right, I mean, like there's no

(01:41:12):
reason why they should be as bad as they are. Well,
I agree with that, and I think it comes back
a little bit to the offensive scheme change. And they
have an offensive line that's really good. They're still very talented.
Um they've finished guys a while, they play well the unit,
but they completely switched schemes to something that they have
really not done in their careers, and they're not good
at which a lot of zone of zone running that

(01:41:32):
used to be really down and over a team. So
I think just's offensively, they're really out of think they
have never really um embraced this scheme and I think
it's poured by the Raiders to a if you the
year of your o C, you might as well bring
in someone who does something similar because of the structure
of your offensive line. Um. I think offensively that's been
a big prom And but I know there was there

(01:41:52):
was rumblings about locker room issues, you know, related to
the athem um. A lot of the Raiders have come
out so that's not the case, and it could be.
You know, I think that we've seen a lot of
teams have have just no conversations about about the anthem um,
and you know, it's obviously gonna be different opinions, but
I don't think it's it's led. It's led to their
poor point. I think it's more, at least offensively, a

(01:42:14):
lot of scheming. Defensively, you know, they have not an
inception to start the season yet. I think it's the
longest treak ever not having a reception um. And for
a defensive minded head coach of Jack Delrio, I think
it's pretty uncceptible to the defensive beating. It's bad. I mean, normally,
if you are a defensive head coach, at least your
defense is good. I can't name any defensive head coaches
that have poor defense and not from the offenses are

(01:42:35):
awful like the Bears at times. Jeff Fisher had terrible offensive,
but at least the defense is good. So for dar
Rio not have a good defense, that's directly on him,
and I wonder if if this season keeps going the
way it is, whether they make a coaching change or not.
I think that's a very good question. Okay, we've talked
a lot about the a f C. Let's flip it
over to the NFC. When you look at the NFC,

(01:42:55):
who do you think is the best team right now.
The Eagles dominated the Cowboys. Let me start there. Do
you think the Cowboys have much of a chance, if
at all, of making the playoffs this year? No, They're
gonna lose third day to the Chargers. The Chargers are
playing the best BAM D West right now. If not
for the first couple of games or their tickets couldn't
make a kick. Um, they've been in the conversation right

(01:43:17):
now for the n C West. Um. No, I mean
the Cowboys are done and looked. A lot of Cowboys
fans and a lot of people in the NFL really
got named by Jack pet I think he's still super talented,
but he's had a lot of weapons around him, right
he had three he's three All Pro offensive wie but
not just Pro Bowl guys, like all Pro the best
of their positions. Hed All Pro running back, you know,

(01:43:38):
the left tackles out now and the running backs out.
He's a Pro Bowl wide receiver, a Hall of Fame
tight end. He's had all the parts there for success
and he's done a good job with the with those parts. However,
now you use a couple of parts, you can't do
anything offense. Uh, you know, Zeke's not coming back for
four more games. Tyline Smith may or may not play
Thursday and now he tried to go last night. UM,
so having him back would be a big help. But

(01:43:59):
that offense just looks dead without those players. Um. And
then defensively, you know they're doing it, he said, enough job.
But you know they're on the field for so long.
Their offense is not getting anything done. They're they're completely done.
I thought they were done the second ze was was suspended.
Um and there you know they're trance of the playoffs.
Who ended last night? I agree with you. What about

(01:44:20):
the Eagles? Are they the best team now? Or are
you sticking with Minnesota? Are you going with the Saints?
Those are the three best teams in the NFC, I think,
beyond the shadow of a doubt, which are those three?
Do you like right now? Is the best stores there
another team? Uh? No, those are three by far, I
think to me. Uh, I love will dependent who gets

(01:44:40):
home the field as you end up with the Eagles,
which they have the one team right now, end up
with home field, you know, having the Saints or all
the vikings travel there in the in the you know,
the end of January for two game teams dogs side.
Now the Vikings and Saints the ball well, but still, um,
you don't play different on the road and the cold
like that, so that will be an big events and

(01:45:00):
he goes, now the Saints are the Vikings end up
with homefield advantage. Um, that's gonna be amazing. So then
I said this at the Saints end up with homefield advantage,
um thout the playoffs near william NFC. Um. I've been
so impressed by them. They are able to run the football. Now,
they're playing better on decent. They had a little bit
of a setback against the red Skins, but they end
up waing that game late and over time, which is impressive.
And you know the Vikings. Look, I think we keep saying,

(01:45:23):
you know, when I's case Can's gonna play worse? He
just has not. I've been very impressed by them, and
I had them as kind of a pretender, and I
changed my mind after a game on Sunday, I mean
they went ahead and dominated the Rams. You and Jason
Martin are hosting the show on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. What
are the odds that you keep a car out of
the ditch? I think I think, uh, we'll have a

(01:45:46):
good show. I I talked to is we're gonna talk
a lot about stood. I think we have to write
for Thanksgiving, a lot about Thanksgiving. Your food? What's your food? Oh? Well,
I fried turkey. You're yeah, yeah, so I you injected
with this cre butter season and I put it in
the fire forty five minutes of peanut oil. Um. I'm

(01:46:07):
not a big look. I used to be big sides.
I think I would go with Macaroni and cheese is
my favorite side. That's my kid's favorite side, you know
what I I gotta say, Like, one of the good
things about having kids. You might have noticed this too,
is that you realize food that you haven't had in
a long time. Like you're like, why did I ever
stop eating this? I'll give you two examples, Like macaroni
and cheese is one, for sure one of my top
three that I've returned to. The Other peanut butter and

(01:46:29):
jelly sandwiches. I mean, like, peanut butter and jelly is phenomenal. Like,
I don't know when I stopped eating peanut butter and
jelly sandwiches, but as soon as I had a kid again,
I would eat one. I'd be like I hope he
doesn't finish that, Like I want to eat the rest
of that sandwich. And the other one that I think
is like I like, why the world that I stopped
eating this grilled cheese? Like kids love grilled cheese, peanut
butter and jelly and mac and cheese, and they're all incredible.

(01:46:52):
Whenever I make grilled cheese for my kids, Um, I pray, don't, right,
I mean, like that's it's just it's just read and
American white American cheese. It's a simple you know, butter
than bread. Like it's a simple thingever, and it tastes amazing. Yeah,
and you probably hadn't had like a grilled cheese in
a long time before you started making them for your
kids again, right, I was, you know, my first my

(01:47:14):
son that you know, like say he's at one grill ches.
I'm twenty nine years old. I probably had a grilled
cheese and I was twelve, Like when is the last
time I had grilled cheese? So oh, dude, unbelieving Now,
you know, like if we go to like New York,
they have like specialty grilled cheese play I'll just you know,
you like especially grilled cheese for lunch unbelievable. Yeah, Like
we were out to eat last night and my kids
didn't finish their mac and cheese and I was looking

(01:47:36):
at it. I was like, man, that mac and cheese
looks really good, and like I don't want to take
it before they eat it, because my wife will be like, hey,
that's they're supposed to eat that. But like I'll wait
until they don't finish it, and then I'll be like, hey,
you're gonna eat that, and of course they're not, and
I dive in. I love it. I gave a little
bit of weight to my when my kids tried to
like start eating a basically you know, like adults food
because I just finished with finishes Maccaroni's grilled cheese and

(01:47:56):
finished all speed. And you realize, like over over a
month and to you know, you have yourself five fight
to Mcaroney every couple of days, no doubt. All right,
Well do a good job Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. I'll look
forward to checking it out. And that's Jeff Shorts. You
can hear him on the show, a guest hosting with
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the league for violating the performance dancing drug policy. Buccaneers
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(01:49:23):
who's gonna play at quarterback in Week twelve in Kansas
City against the Chief's course rookie Nathan Peterman through five
interceptions in the first half Sunday's lost the Chargers. He
got to start over Tyrod Taylor, and apparently McDermott is
actually considering putting Peter in back in the lineup if
you believe him. Man, you know what, I thought, Nathan
Peterman would never have a worse half of football than

(01:49:44):
he had. He only started I think one game for
Tennessee before he transferred to Pittsburgh, and he came in
against Florida. I think it was on the road and
it was one of the most atrocious halfs of college
football quarterbacking I've ever seen. And then he topped it,
uh in that performance against San Diego. Now the positive is,
I think if you're Nathan Peterman, you know what the

(01:50:04):
worst is. Now you can't do any worse, and it's
hard to throw more than four or five interceptions and
a half. So we'll see what happens there. It seems
to me like the Bills are just acknowledging that their
team is awful. I don't know what's going on with
that decision. I mean, they've lost three in a row.
When they were five and two was funny. I was
on the show and I was like, you know what,
I don't buy into the Bills. I don't think they're
very good. I don't think Tyrod Taylor can win him

(01:50:25):
a game in the playoffs. I don't even really think
they can make the playoffs. And Bills fans just lit
me up all over Twitter. Uh, they've definitely disappeared here
of late for sure. Um, let's go ahead and get
set up here. Boys. We haven't done an animal Thunderdome
yet this week, and I'm told there's some good stories
out there, so let's dive into this. Uh Animal Thunderdome
time here to finish off Tuesday. Show. Will come back

(01:50:46):
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(01:51:28):
It's Animal Thunderdome, ladies and gentlemen. I'm just glad. I
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(01:51:52):
This is animal thunder till all right, I gotta I
gotta story here for you. I'm down in Florida for
the holiday. Uh and a Central Florida man was arrested
for caging and drowning a raccoon because the at the
raccoon had killed some of his chickens. This is maybe
a weird move by James Miller, but according to Lake

(01:52:15):
Counties Sheriffs, a woman called authorities and said her neighbor
took a caged raccoon onto his pontoon boat and dropped
the cage into the water. The woman said she told
her neighbor drowning an animal was inhumane, that he should
instead call animals services. Miller replied, the raccoon was in
my house and left the cage in the water for

(01:52:37):
several minutes, killing the raccoon. Authorities questioned the man's wife,
who said the raccoon had killed some of her chickens
and later got into their house. He was arrested and
taken into custody. Should this guy have been arrested for this?
Can you not kill a raccoon in this country anymore?
I understand that maybe is a little bit creepy to

(01:52:57):
put the raccoon in the cage and then drop it
into the water, But is it any better to get
like a baseball bat and just like hit it in
the head. I mean, I I don't understand why he
couldn't do this. You have to dispose of raccoon's more
civil like, how could you kill gun? Gun is better?

(01:53:18):
I don't know, but I mean I mean over the
top maybe, But it's like if you had a gun
out in a neighborhood and you just blew the raccoon's
head off. It's a lot messier that way, Like if
you got a baseball bat. That seems really inhumane, Like
how could you kill a wreck? I mean, in all honesty,
how could you kill a raccoon in a humane fashion? Like?

(01:53:40):
He is he gonna gas? It? Is he gonna carbon
monoxide poison it? I mean, I don't know what way.
Like this seems honestly like it's a little bit diabolical
to think to do. But it's Florida. I mean people
have boats. Taking a boat. Taking a raccoon out on
a pontoon boat and just dropping it into the water
actually doesn't seem like an awful decision. If the raccoon

(01:54:01):
is killing his his chickens, his wife's chickens, then you
don't want to release it because it could come back
and do it again. Am I totally in the wrong
here to be on this guy's side? Tweet me, Am I,
I mean it's Peter gonna come kill me? For saying this,
I think totally it's perfectly fine to kill the raccoon
this way, and in fact that he got arrested for
doing it. Of all the things that are going on

(01:54:22):
in the country right now, we arrest a guy for
killing a raccoon. That's a little bit over the top, right,
arresting him and get his mud shot is up? And
how about the neighbor telling on him? Are you guys
both think that I'm wrong here? You guys think that
this guy should be arrested for this? Absolutely not. And
like you said to me, the bigger problem is the neighbor.

(01:54:43):
That's the guy don't trust. Yeah, like you turn in
your your first of all, why do you care what
this guy is gonna do to the raccoon? Of all
the things you could be worried about, if you're a neighbor,
you're concerned about people who bag up pets. They don't
want to throw him in a lake or river. We've no, no,
this is not the same killed his chickens. But it's

(01:55:03):
an animal, though, you don't drown it. What people kill
animals all the time. People right now driving into work
are gonna eat steak. Where do you think the steak
comes from We're gonna from the river. We're gonna all
eat turkeys. Are you telling me that that the these
turkeys have to be killed in a certain way. I don't.

(01:55:25):
I don't want to eat their stress. I don't want
to eat their stress. I don't even know what that means. Uh,
I'm telling you right now. I'm totally on this guy's side.
Totally on this guy's side if he wants to. He
doesn't want to release the raccoon, because the raccoon will
just come right back where it's already been. It was
in his house, if he had beaten his thing's brains
out in his house. I don't even know how he

(01:55:46):
got it in the cage. First of all, that's a story.
I'd also like to know how did he catch a raccoon.
I had a tree rat in my house once when
I lived in the Caribbean, and that tree rats about
as big as a raccoon. And it's the most terrifying
thing in my life trying to get that tree rat
into a box to get him outside of the house.
I think I've told that story on the air before.
So the fact that this guy even got this raccoon
into a cage just to me heroic, I don't. I

(01:56:07):
would love to know how he did that, um, but
I have no issues with him. If he needs a lawyer,
I'm down here in Florida. I can appear in cord
on his bath and get him released in time for
the holiday so that he doesn't have to stay in
jail for killing a raccoon. What you guys got, Clay,
I have another good story courtesy of our friends in
Australia AK the worst place on earth, the worst. It's

(01:56:29):
the worst place on earth if you are afraid of animals,
because they have more animals that are trying to kill
you than anywhere. Robert's a hater against Australia. So there
was a woman who she said she chose not to
be named for this story, who lives in Balcom Hills,
who says, well, she was sleeping around ten thirty pm
on Monday last week. She felt a searing pain and

(01:56:50):
something latching on her cheeks. She opened her eyes and
it was a wild ferret, a pure white ferret had
gotten to her house and was clawing and biting at
her cheek. She's screamed from her bed for her husband,
who happened to be sleeping in another room. That's a
different story for a different day. He came in, rushed in,
found his wife screaming, got the ferret through it outside,

(01:57:10):
and everybody's, you know, happy about it. Unfortunately, the ferret
is smarter than they realized, got back into the house.
They have to drown the animal. This is my point.
If you just throw the ferret outside, he comes right
back in. He came back for seconds. Thankfully they were prepared.
They were able to fight him off and catch him
in a box. What did they do with it? They

(01:57:32):
think report him to animal control because he was because
he was kill the ferret. He was a pure white ferret,
so apparently that's rare. So they decided that would be
the most the best thing to do. I just I
just disagree there. I think you drown it. I mean
I never really thought about it before, but I think
drowning the raccoon was the humane play. I do only

(01:57:52):
there's any doubt. What else we got an update on
an old story I'm told we do now this is
one I'm not sure. I mean, we've had so many
I don't know if you remember this, but we had
a bear attack in Colorado while a guy was hunting
um ultimately ended up. What happening the he went to
pick up his elk that he had just put down,
and a grizzly came in and attacked him, ripped off

(01:58:12):
his lips and his nose in the attack. Whoa, whoa,
demand's lips and his nose. Yes, we're ripped off by
the bear. Now this is an old story from about
a year ago, so I'm sure we've got over it's
a great story. Well, anyhow, it's not a great story.
You're the guy who lost his nose in his mouth. While.
It gets better because since then he's gone through a

(01:58:33):
series of surgeries, including one month in a medically induced coma.
He had one month. He had one surgery that lasted
hold on a month. Yes, it was that bad. That's
a long ass time to be in a coma and
just disappear. But it gets better, Clay. So he had
one series of the lasted twenty four hours. Including his nose,

(01:58:54):
which we said again was ripped from his face, is
being ring grown on his arm using a radio artery
in his arm. In the procedure that allows the blood
flow to regenerate the tissue. I guess that doesn't make
any sense. You can just grow noses on arms. I
guess the part that they were able to save is
being ing grown on his arm. Well wait, waite, you
can just grow noses. That's apparently. It seems to be revolutionary.

(01:59:17):
It seems like this should be a bigger, bigger news
story than just randomly showing up in the animal from
the noses on the arm is a massive story that
I feel like it's being kept alive, so I'm assuming
it's getting bigger. I don't know why else you would
keep a half nose alive on your arm if you
weren't going to use it at a later time. But anyhow,

(01:59:38):
this guy is said to be released fully from medical
care in the next month or so. He's sixty one
years old. Said he's still planning and going out hunting again.
When he gets out. You got to get the damn
grizzly bear that gripped his nose in his mouth. I'm
doing whatever it takes to find that grizzly bear, and
I'm taking him down, and he took my nose in
my lips. He's gonna be walking around with the nose

(01:59:59):
still on his arm, he said, this is what I'm
coming back for it. I feel like we have buried
the lead here that you can just regrow noses now
on the arm. That seems like a massive story. If
that's true, well, I may have jumped to a conclude.
I mean, I'm not sure if you count or not,
but I can't think of another reason why you would
keep your nose alive on your arm using the radio artery.
It doesn't really make a lot of sense to me,

(02:00:19):
unlest you're gonna use it later. This is I this
is one of the most numbling. This is like when
I found out that Native American men couldn't go bald.
This is one of those stories that I feel like,
how is not everybody talking about this? We should have
done the whole show on noses being able to be
regrown on the arms. To hell with var Ball. You
gotta figure out what's going on here. Man, I'm rooting
for that guy to go get that grizzly bear and

(02:00:39):
kill him. I would watch that show. I would watch
that reality show. It's just him trying to get the
grizzly bear that bit his nose and his arms off,
or his whatever, his mouth off. Even at coma for
a month. Good Lord, happy,

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