June 18, 2020 • 35 mins
Dan Beyer and George Wrighster, in for Doug Gottlieb, react to the latest controversy surrounding Mike Gundy. John Bodenhamer, Senior Managing Director of Championships for the USGA, joins the guys on what should have been US Open week in the world of golf. Plus, Dan pits George against John Ramos on who knows the most about George's former team, the Jacksonville Jaguars, in a game of JagWars.
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and update on what the NFL season could look like
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and maybe even the college football season as well. But
we start off right there in college football with George
rice Stir. I'm Dan Buyer in for Doug today because
Mike Gundee continues to be in the news. The Oklahoma
State head coach, of course, making news earlier this week
when he was spotted in an O A N T
shirt and taking a picture with his sons and then
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his star running back Cuba Hubbard responded uh in the
disgust of that T shirt we had an apology from
a Gundy and Hubbard or a message sent out by
both of them. Then then Gundy sent out his own
apology by himself in his statement. And then yesterday word
resurfaced George of an incident that came back dated back
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to nine nine, when Mike Gundy was the starting quarterback
of the Oklahoma State Cowboys taking on Colorado and for
the first time in a long time, or one of
the few times, Colorado got the best of Oklahoma State.
That's not what we're talking about today, though, Alfred Williams,
who was a big part of those Colorado teams back
in the day, speaking out and bringing up the point
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that was reported by Colorado newspapers more than thirty years ago.
Then Mike Gundee allegedly used a racial slur, calling Williams
the N word in their game in nineteen eighty nine.
Something else. Now Mike Gundee needs to address Yeah, well,
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it's not just address it, because we got questions, because
at this point, this is your character. This isn't just
a slip up. And also, Alfred Williams, before anybody gets
on saying oh well this is thirty one years later, blah,
blah blah. Well, no, Alfred Williams brought it up at
the time, nobody just cared. Nobody did anything about it.
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It wasn't a big deal to anybody else because that
was the temperature in the world. It was just okay,
well what whatever. And Alfred Williams said, this is not
just an allegation that he's got at least twenty other
people who can cooperate his story. And if Mike Gundee
didn't do it, then maybe he would have come out
and say, oh, that didn't happen Oklahoma State University. But
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they're they're going mom on it there saying oh, well,
you know, we're being quiet about this. We're not gonna
continue to comment on it, and like this is a
bad look. Because Mike Gundy, who we heard from the
other day, he issued an apology, and when I watched it,
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my initial reaction was because he was clearly reading off
a teleprompter, which was a bad move, because it's hard
to feel like only the goats can make teleprompter look natural,
authentic and believable, and there was nothing about that about
Mike Gundhy. He was one of those like, sorry, I
got caught. Sorry this is a problem, not that this
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is a you know, a change in his own personal stance. Well,
this is and this is why I do think he
needs to address it, George is because he's addressed the
other things. He's addressed the T shirt. He's had more
than one apology. I think we're on three. I think
we were on three for the O. A. N. T
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shirt because there was the Chuba Hubbard one, then there
was the the the individual one off the teleprompter, and
then there was an additional conversation that he had with
ESPN in calling himself a dummy for wearing the T shirt.
So we were up to three on that. And I
think that the the the non response to this allegation,
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which again and and Alfred Williams brought this up to
the Oklahoman in saying, I'm surprised you guys are you know,
or I'm happy at least you guys are reporting on
it now because none of the Oklahoma papers reported on
it then, but the papers in Colorado did report on it.
There's a headline Gundy accused of Rachel slur in one
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of the Colorado papers. In so I do think that
that he needs to address this sort of issue because
there's so many things that that are uh, I mean
at stake. I mean, yeah, Well, it's it's not just
the fact that these things are at state. It's the
fact that that you are a player who I'm sorry,
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you're a coach who you make millions of dollars off
of student athletes, most of them black bodies. And it's
not just the issue that he said it, it's what's
in his heart. It's the fact that you can use
these players to make millions of dollars, but then you
don't have that same love and respect for them. That
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that test, the ultimate test is can this person married
or this race of person marry your daughter? And I
think that that's what we're questioning about Mike Gundy at
this point in time, because these statements and these feelings,
these go back deep seated and deep rooted things. And
so that's why I say it's a character examination as
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more just oh, I'm just oh, this is a careless incident.
You know, I don't disagree with you. I I this,
and I don't see his teleprompter or apology to me
as a big issue. I would I've I've said this
on this show. I've learned to apologize now that I'm
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married three plus years, and I think that there's there's
a way to do it. There's there's You don't say
I'm sorry for how you took my words. You take
responsibility for your own actions. I'm not gonna I'm not
gonna beat him up for using a teleprompter. Yeah, you
want him to speak, you know, from his heart. I
just feel this with a situation like with Gundhi, and
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now it's changed. I admit that it's changed because of
what has been brought up now, but I want to
see action from your comments. I want to see how
Mike Gundhi, you know, does react to the social injustices,
how he does handle the Black Lives Matter movement? Is
he a part of it? Is he doing things because
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that to me, George tells me that he has changed, Like,
you can't change my mind with a one minute apology.
And it's the same, you know, it's the same thing
with Drew Brees. Like I thought Drew bree his apologies
in his response to President Trump, in my mind were
really well put. However, if I'm the one that's holding
Drew Brees accountable, I want to see the actions and
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and that's where I'm really going to judge. And so
that's what with his whole with his whole Gundy thing is.
I wanted I even said it yesterday on the program.
I want to see the actions before I, you know,
let him off the hook or say all right, uh
this you know a change needs to be made, but
not with this in the silence. I just I just
haven't you know, I think we need to hear something,
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okay as a married man where you talked about apologies,
because I understand this as a married man too. What
is the most important thing about your apology? Um that
it's sincere correct and when you're reading off the teleprompter
and looking all stiff and it didn't feel that, it
didn't look natural. That's the problem is that it's not
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just the fact that he apologized. It is where it
It's like that old saying, people won't remember what you said,
they won't remember what you did, but they will remember
how that you made them feel. And how did that
apology If if that were somebody apologizing to you, how
would that apology make you feel? Yeah, I probably wish
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it would have come from the heart, you know, would
have just been like you know, I'm sorry. I actually
took more from him calling himself a you know, a
dumb a than than maybe the other two, just of
being like, oh, that's just a convenient thing, dude, Oh
that that seems that seems to be more. I mean,
he's not talking off of a of a teleprompter. But again,
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I wanted, I wanted to give him the benefit of
the doubt to be like, all right, let's see this change.
Let's you know, like the apology can only go so far,
and yeah, oh one, I want a dent agree with that.
But I think that you have a whole narrative of people,
a narrative of people who uh well, a contingent of
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people who will will say the same thing about Mike
Gundy that they said that they would say about Morgan Scali,
who is the defensive coordinator for Utah, who used the
in word in a text to a recruit and supposedly
get uh to another NFL player. Previous prior to that
is that there's this oh, well, they've brought so many
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black men, young black men out of poverty and and
got them to college and all of that. That's what
they're gonna say there, sure, And that's when when there's
no respect. Um yeah, I it, you know, it rings
a bit hollow and and and that's where I think
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is where the you know, the change that needs to come.
I don't know, Like Alfred Williams has said that he
doesn't want Gundy to lose his job. He just wants
him to acknowledge what happened. And I think that if Gundy,
um it, mits it and I'm not telling him to
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cover it up. But I just don't know how you
continue as the head coach. You don't know how you can.
You know, you can go into a home and and say,
you know to a parent that I'm gonna take care
of your kid when they could just bring that up.
I know it happened thirty one years ago. I know
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that there is it's you know, maybe Mike Gundy has grown.
I just don't know how you can continue like that.
And that's why I want to see how this is addressed.
If it is even being addressed. I think his job
is on the line. Yeah, oh it is because and
it is because now you have questions and it feels
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like a pattern. And the the thing about it is
where you said about him losing his job and all
of that, I've been one person that as kind of
on the other side from a lot of other people.
I do believe that these things are fireable defenses when
you're especially when you're an a position of leadership, and
you can show favoritism like it's just bad when it's
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in there. But I don't believe that when people do
or say racist things, I don't always believe that exile
is the best option because it reinforces their their views
and doesn't actually solve the problem. It gets that person
out of that position. But but I always believe that
you're supposed to love and lead from a place of
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of of love and from grace, and but that doesn't
always mean that you are free from consequences. It just
means that you know that there is a place for redemption.
If you're like, wait, hold up, I saw this all wrong, Like,
let me get my heart straight, let me get my
mind straight, because a lot of times people don't always
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realize that that something is going on. They just say, oh, well,
I'm getting all these all these black kids to college,
and I'm doing all these great things. But in reality,
you aren't doing something all that great because it's in
your best interest to get them. It's like you are
lining your own pockets. Mike Gundezy, multimillionaire, awful black bodies
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for the majority, for the for the most part. And
if it wasn't him being the head coach because because
they try to turn into this white savior thing and
he said, oh, well he's the guy. More Morgan, Skate
Scali as well. They got so many kids, they did
so many great things. It was in their best interests.
And also if they were in that position, somebody else
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would have done it, because that's what you have to
do to win. Sure. It's it's like charity in what
you're saying. If there are people who don't it to
charity to help others, and there are those that donate
to charity to make themselves feel better, Like it's really
of like, what is the real charity of doing it?
It's are you know, are you the one benefiting because
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you make yourself feel better about it, or do you
really want to help the cause. There was a Friend
episode about this. I can't I can't remember if it
was it was Phoebe. He like didn't want to do
anything good because she felt like if she felt good
about it, then it was an actual charity. But that's
the I I think that's kind of to the point
of of what you're saying is yeah, I mean it
it it benefited these coaches and in that time and
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the Gundhy thing. I was gonna ask you this just
about it, because you know, it sounds like you're saying
that he shouldn't lose his job. But I don't want
to put words into your mouth. But I'm wondering, does
does Mike Gundhi change or can the institute change better
continuing as the Oklahoma state head coach? Or is it
just best for all parties to part ways over a
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situation like this. This is a case where okay with
the UH similar to what the Utah. What I said
about the Utah because of coordinator is that yes, there
has been time, Yes things can change, but this is new.
I mean, somebody is new with with with Mike Gundy.
But I believe that this should be left up to
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the players who who played for him. I think that
his past players actions should be their thoughts about it
should be factored into it, because that's who the university
has to lean on for, you know, in the future.
So I think that you have to take the temperature
of your university because no one player, no one coach,
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no one anything is actually bigger than the university. So
you have to do the right thing for the university.
And whatever that is, I am okay with it, and
like so, I I rarely call for people's jobs, but
that it's just very important too that the people who
are playing for him feel comfortable. The rest of the
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students on campus, your your your donors, like, there are
a lot of people that factor into making a program
go that you have to uh factor in. But the
one point I did want to mention that is the
fact that is that when Mike Gundy apologize and said
he was a dumbade for wearing the O A N
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N shirt, it rings hollow as well because two months
prior he said, quote, I'll tell you what's funny. I
was flipping through the stations. I found one. I don't
even know if anybody knows this. It's called O A
N N Uh. It was very refreshing. They just report
the news. There's no commentary, no opinions, no left nor right,
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blah blah blah, and he goes and he just says someone.
It was just refreshing to to see that. I've been
watching it all week and it was just like, you
know what that station is about, right, Like, come on, bro,
Like you can't say that you're a dumb mate when
you actually support what's going on on that station. That's
why you wore the shirt. Be sure to catch the
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three p m. Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
and the I Heart Radio app. He's George Rice stir
NFL veteran. I'm Dan Buyer. We are sitting in for
Doug today here on Fox Sports Radio. And yeah, big
piece of me missing. As it's mid June, it's a Thursday,
I feel like I should be watching the US Open.
Unfortunately we're gonna have to wait until September to do that.
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By the way, you can see it on Fox Sports
One in Fox when it comes around. Joining us now
to talk about I guess maybe who's missing it more
than anybody. He's the Senior Managing Director of Championships for
the USA and basically the guy in charge of the
US Open. John Bodenhammer joins us here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, John,
how are you today? Doing great? Dan George is sure
great to be with you during US Open week original
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US Open week anyway. I know that's the crazy thing
is I know how I'm feeling. I can't imagine what
you are feeling this week because everybody's got their routines,
whether it be in fall, winter, spring, but I mean
mid June for the U S g A and the
U S Open. What has this been a week been
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alike for you with no major going on right now? Well,
you know, Dan, it's a great question, I think. I
guess whistle is kind of a word that I think about.
I would say that it even started a couple well
a couple of weeks ago, if not a week, aldgo
last Sunday when we were all kind of chatting about,
you know, should we be raising the trophy for a
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new US Women's Open champion And the next day would
be final qualifying with about a thousand players around the
country and around the world trying to earn their way
into the US Open. And I think it started there,
and then we would have been at wingfoot last week's
setting holes and peas and getting the golf course ready
and building grandstands. So it's been you know, after thirty
years of the US Open one way or another in
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my life it is different for sure. How important is
golf getting back, I mean in terms of being one
of the first sports back only things on television so
you have a chance to grow the game. Is the
p G a considering that with all their decisions they
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are And I think we're doing it together or doing
it in a collaborative way. We have regular calls with
the PGA Tour Um and the pg of America. The
Master's European Tour been very collaborative, and I think we
looked at it very much that way. And you look
at golf clubs around the country. People have a pent
up demand to get outside and have some fun and
do something that is athletically related, and golf has been
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a beneficiary of that. You talk to most clubs, private,
public resort, uh, They're bursting at the scenes. People want
to get out and play, even in a socially distancing way.
And I think the way that the tour looks at
it is is just that they want to get back
to business. They want to be inspiring. And I think
for us thinking about wingfoot and and and and conducting
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a US Open, and what has been the epicenter of
the virus in our country, we think could be a
pretty amazing and inspirational achievement of its own. John Bowden Hammer,
Senior Managing Director of Championships for the USG joining us
here on Fox Sports Radio it is the Doug Gottlieb Show.
George Ristor and myself Dan buy are in for Doug today.
What I think that some people may not realize, John,
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is you will have people on site years in advance.
It's not like you just show up in April and
put on a unament in June. You are there years
in advance. And along with that, you're trying to get
the course. Maybe in twenty nineteen in June at Wingfoot
it's peaking, so you know how it's going to be
um a year from that point. And and and you
probably did that two years prior. How has now the
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championship being moved from June to September altered the plans
for the specific course because of all the planning that
you guys usually put into it. Yeah, that's a great question.
And you know US open, well, any any U s
a championship, and we we typically in a typical year
we have fourteen of them, along with some international competitions.
There are only months in the planning, but they're they're
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years in the planning, and uh, you know, a US
Open it is just so unique. We build a small
city where we go h and the planning is comprehensive
and integrated throughout the community, throughout the region. I think
it all starts with the golf course. Wingfoot is one
of our most iconic historic sites. It is just a
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a um revered US Open side. When you think of
the champions that's that's come through there, from Bob Jones,
the Billy Casper, It's you know, you go down the list,
Fuzzy Zeller, some great US Open history. It's all happened
in June for the most part, and it's just going
to be different this year, like everything else is this year.
With what everybody's doing in any sport, September presents a
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really wonderful time to play in the Northeast and we
really wanted to play the US Open at Wingfoot and
to be able to do so in September. It'll be different.
Uh you know, we'll have less daylight and us the
field is not one and fifty six players. It will
be a hundred simply because the daylight's limited. But we
do think with the magnificent nature of what Wingfoot is,
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you could you could actually you could dial Wingfoot up
in a week or two and play the US Open
there in almost any years, that type of place, it's
that type of test. But I think that the fall
presents us an opportunity to really get the golf course
firm and fast like we like to get. The weather
is still an average temperature of seventies seven degrees in
June this week at about a two. We look at
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that closely and it's going into our preparations, so you know,
will be back in session. Hopefully that changes things with
volunteers and parking and all of those things, so it's
a lot different, and then you file on all the
health and safety considerations. We're basically starting from scratch, ye, John.
I know everybody will be excited to see the US Open,
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whether it's in June September, because it's always one of
the best, uh and most challenging golf map of events
that there is. But how about the entire season, Being
that the season is getting pushed back on on some level,
could it affect one and the schedule going forward, George,
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that's an excellent question, and the answers, yes, it will. Uh.
We are in June uh in one at Torrey Pines
where maybe you know, certainly one of the greatest US
Opens ever win Tiger one on a broken leg. Who
will ever, nobody will ever forget that and that Putty
made in on the seventy second hold to get into
the playoffs with rock Omidi a um, And I think
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it will. It will be fine in our prenda. Tory
Pines are magnificent, but make no mistake about it. As
US Open in September and the US Women's Open, think
about this in December on two golf courses. Takes us
right up to the end of the year. Our time
for planning has got to be condensed. And uh, yet
we're up for the task. We're certainly the wagons to
get it done. And we think again, the opportunity to
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do something special in the fall, in the winter and
the year off will be with it. A man in
charge of the US Open, John Bowdenhama, joining us here
on Fox Sports Radio. I mean, I guess you could
pick you know, a hundred different places in this country,
but the epicenter of where the coronavirus outbreak was was
where Wingfoot is and and I can't imagine navigating that challenge.
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Where are you guys in terms of spectators being allowed?
How are those why ends? Are there any information? Will
will fans be allowed to be on site for the
event in September? Sure? Well? I think the way that
we've approached this is, you know, the heart perhaps one
of the hardest things around UH COVID nineteen has been
the unknown and and and the fact that it can
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change in a heartbeat. I will say this, I think
that Wingfoot Golf Club has been an amazing partner they have.
It's not this isn't what they signed up for many
years ago. And uh, I think that, you know, the
way we're looking at it is to be as flexible
and as nimble as we can. We've developed multiple scenarios.
It's too early to say whether we'll have fans or not.
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We're I'd say we're cautiously optimistic. UH, as you may
have as most people know that the trends of metrics
in New York and the New York Area the Westchester County,
New York City area by trending positively, the the those
infected by the virus are on the decline. That's a
that's great news. That's the most important news, and we've
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tried to be respect full of that while we're seeking
guidance from state officials, medical officials. We've got great medical advisors,
but we're cautiously optimistic if things continue on the positive
we feel. We feel optimistic about having fans on site.
How many can't tell you, and we will follow exactly
what the state allows us to do. Well, it's uh
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three months away. It's such a weird week, John, I
have no idea how you guys can do it, but
we expect a great event and uh yeah, then you'll
kind of be in our neighborhood, as you said, one
with Tory Pines just a couple of hours away from
us here in Los Angeles. So, John, we appreciate the time,
we appreciate the info, and uh, best of luck to
you guys and hopefully things get back to normal soon.
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We appreciate it. Well, thanks for having me on. We
love our partners at Fox, and we think it's gonna
be a big explanation point. Were crown a US Open
champion in September thanks, guys, can't wait to see it.
John Bowden Hammer, Senior Managing Director of Championships for the
U s g A basically the guy in charge of
the US Open. He's George ry Ster. I'm Dan Buyer.
This is the Doug Gottleap Show on Fox Sports Radio.
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Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
gott Leap Show week days at three p m. Easter
noon Pacific. Jaguars, It's tough for me to even say.
I tried to come up with a punny name. Jag Wars.
How about that because that's where George rice Stir spent
his NFL career. We're gonna have a little game between
you and John on Jacksonville Jaguars trivia. All Right, you guys,
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go ahead to head. I have six true false questions.
You both will give answers, and we will see who
fares the best in knowing the Jacksonville Jaguars. Isn't the
guy who played his entire NFL career for them? Or
is it the guy that doesn't care to sense about
the Jacksonville Jaguars. George, John, are you ready to play
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jag Wars? Yes? Dan? All right? George, alright, here we go.
Let's start out question in number one, these are all
true false questions. In learning a little bit more about
the Jacksonville Jaguars. You just have to tell me if
this is a true or false statement. In nine, let's
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just say the mid nineties, the oldest living jaguar in
North America was in Jacksonville, Florida, leading the Jacksonville NFL
expansion team to be called the Jaguars. Is that true
or false? True? John, what do you say that is true? Yes?
Actually it was probably about three was the time on
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the expansion franchise was awarded and obviously starting play in nine,
but the oldest living jaguar was anti Jacksonville Zoo. And
yet some nice alliteration there was that a guest Georgia.
Did you know that? Okay, all right, that was a
guest guest by John. But you're both one for one.
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Question number two, the nicknames that didn't make the cut
where the Jacksonville Sharks and the Jacksonville five. Is that
true or false? John? You're gonna go up first, George, Okay,
that is false. There is no Jacksonville five. That would
have been awesome though, that actually would have been great
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Sharks was a possibility. Stingray was another possibility as well. Yeah,
it would have been one of the few professional leagues
well team mascots that don't end with an S. Yes,
that's true. That's there are very few of them, you have.
People always look at the magic and the heat, George
when you think of like pro sports teams that are
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the Colorado Avalanche. But then people forget about the White
Sox and Red Sox because of the X in Major
League Baseball. So yeah, yeah, yep, two for two, you
guys are let's see if you could go three for three, George,
You're up first. The Jacksonville Jaguars pick set in the
NFL Draft behind the Panthers at number one because Jacksonville
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had the first pick in the expansion Draft. Is that
true or false? Um? I know that they did have
the in the expansion Draft. They did have the number
one pick, and they picked uh Steve burn Line, But
I don't think that that was the reason why they
had the second pick in the draft though. Okay, so
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you're gonna say false false, I'm gonna it's true. That
is the reason why I know Carolina ended up trading
their pick to the Bengals first overall, where the Bengals
took Jenna Carter and the Panthers took Garry Collins. But yeah,
because Jacksonville had that pick and head number one, it
took Steve Burlin in the Expansion Draft. They gave Carolina
the first pick. In the UH college player Draft. John
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Ramos leads George rice Stir three to two in Jaguars
here on Fox Sports Radio. All right, George, time to
even the score. But John starts off first. The Jaguars
have never had the first overall pick in the NFL draft.
Is that true or false? John, You're up first. I'm
going to say that they've never had the first pick
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at all period. Okay, the first overall pick they've never
had it. Is that true or false? I'm gonna say
that's true. True. Okay, George, that is one hundred percent true.
They've never had it. That is correct. It is true. Yes,
four for four for John Ramos. It's it's crazy. For
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as bad as they've been, you know, they've never been
They've had the number two pick twice. I think it
was Tony Boselli and that opening UH Draft and then
maybe Kevin I want to say Kevin Hardy, I'm not
a Yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah. After after the
browns um I think took h was it Courtney Brown?
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I believe that could have been the year. Yeah. And
then you had Blake Bortles at number three. He also
had him, but never number one. John Ramos, you're four
for four. Let's see if you can even it up
here on jag Wars, fans were given teal colored candy
at games early on in the franchise's history, so their
tongues would be teal, just like their logo. Is that
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true or false? George, I'm gonna go with false, okay.
John Ramos, that sounds like something that that would be
kind of fun. I said, that's true. It is true.
They were given candy. There was also a time where
they gave suckers because it would also turn your your
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tongue teal. A little little little tidbit there about the
Jacksonville Jaguars logo, I think everybody knows that because it
looked like the Jaguar car logo that Ford Motor Company
wasn't having that, so they had to change it. But
the teal tongue was actually a thing. Wayne Weaver, the Uh.
Former owner had them pass out teal colored candy. Wow.
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John Romins is going for a perfect score. George, you
can finish with a respectable four of six if you
get this question right. Final one here in Jaguars. The
Jaguars have the fewest playoff appearances of any of the
thirty two NFL franchises. Is that true or false? Not games,
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just appearances in the playoffs setting. John Ramos, Mmmm, it's
tough to be perfect. Let's see the fewest, Jackson, it's
a bad team. Um, I'm gonna say that's true. Okay, George, UM,
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I'm gonna go with that is false. Vic, Yeah, I'm
gonna go ahead that that that's false because I went
to the playoffs with him twice. They had been a
bunch of times with you know, with thunder and Lightning Keenom,
Mark Kid, Um McCarthy and um Jimmy Smith that why
why receiver, and they've been kind of recently two and
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I think the Bucks are gonna be yeah, fighting around there.
But I'm gonna go with the Jaguars, even though the
team has only been around for you know, like twenty
five years. John said false. George says true. No, excuse me,
John said true. George said false, it is false. Yes,
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seven playoff appearances. The Houston Texans actually have. I forgot
about them, so they only have six. So John, your
perfect game, you lost it in the bottom of the
ninth inning, but you do win. Jaguars here today five
to four over George Rice stir, congratulations man five. Yeah
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you only four? Yeah, you ruined the perfect game. So
that's okay, it's it was rigged. How am I supposed
to believe? So this is my second time on the
Leave Show doing this. First time he goes. First time
he goes, he tries to throw, throw it off, getting
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the last question wrong. The way, I'm not hip to
what's going on. I see it. I hear you. I
see you, Mr Ramls. You notice how John locked up
victory first before getting one wrong, like you want to
make sure that he's mathematically going to win before he
you know, tried to throw. I said, I can't lose,
but let's go for this the perfect score. So he actually, George,
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you don't know this. John named this uh Son who's
eleven months old, to Jackson after Jacksonville. How I was
about to say if he named his kid Jackson. That
would be interesting because, um, one of my friends whose
kid plays on my flag football team with with with
my son to Roll Davis's kid, one of his kids
names is just so happens to be Jackson. So I
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was gonna ask how how he spelled it. But it
was a trick. I'll tell you what. If my name
was Jackson, that's what my bedroom would be called. It
would be Jacksonville, That's what I would call it. I
would get a sign of the city limits outside the door. Uh,
that's for sure. All right, A little, a little, we
got to know a little bit more about the Jacksonville
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Jaguars and the team. Did you enjoy your time with Jacksonville, George, Yeah,
I did. I mean it was a it was my
first NFL experience. But then when I went up to
I had a cup of coffee with the New York Giants,
and it was seeing the difference in playing for a
historical NFL franchise one has been around for so long,
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has championships, and to see the relationship with the city's
completely different. Like when we used to play, um, the Cowboys, Steelers, Giants.
There would be more of those fans in the stands
because what would happen is the people who were in
Jacksonville were fan of those teams before the Jaguars came
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to town, so they would be Jaguars fans. But then
when they're real quote unquote real team came to town,
they would show their true colors. And you know, so
the longer longer than a team is ingrained in a city.
So you have kids that have been born grown up
with the Jaguars around, so now they have a you know,
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a true fan base that they can continue to build
on for generations, which is how you build a brand
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runaround in Major League Baseball just doesn't seem to come
to an end now. More offers going back and forth
will dive into that, some possible dire news for football fans,
and update on what the NFL season could look like
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and maybe even the college football season as well. But
we start off right there in college football with George
rice Stir. I'm Dan Buyer in for Doug today because
Mike Gundee continues to be in the news. The Oklahoma
State head coach, of course, making news earlier this week
when he was spotted in an O A N T
shirt and taking a picture with his sons and then
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his star running back Cuba Hubbard responded uh in the
disgust of that T shirt we had an apology from
a Gundy and Hubbard or a message sent out by
both of them. Then then Gundy sent out his own
apology by himself in his statement. And then yesterday word
resurfaced George of an incident that came back dated back
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to nine nine, when Mike Gundy was the starting quarterback
of the Oklahoma State Cowboys taking on Colorado and for
the first time in a long time, or one of
the few times, Colorado got the best of Oklahoma State.
That's not what we're talking about today, though, Alfred Williams,
who was a big part of those Colorado teams back
in the day, speaking out and bringing up the point
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that was reported by Colorado newspapers more than thirty years ago.
Then Mike Gundee allegedly used a racial slur, calling Williams
the N word in their game in nineteen eighty nine.
Something else. Now Mike Gundee needs to address Yeah, well,
(02:15):
it's not just address it, because we got questions, because
at this point, this is your character. This isn't just
a slip up. And also, Alfred Williams, before anybody gets
on saying oh well this is thirty one years later, blah,
blah blah. Well, no, Alfred Williams brought it up at
the time, nobody just cared. Nobody did anything about it.
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It wasn't a big deal to anybody else because that
was the temperature in the world. It was just okay,
well what whatever. And Alfred Williams said, this is not
just an allegation that he's got at least twenty other
people who can cooperate his story. And if Mike Gundee
didn't do it, then maybe he would have come out
and say, oh, that didn't happen Oklahoma State University. But
(02:57):
they're they're going mom on it there saying oh, well,
you know, we're being quiet about this. We're not gonna
continue to comment on it, and like this is a
bad look. Because Mike Gundy, who we heard from the
other day, he issued an apology, and when I watched it,
(03:17):
my initial reaction was because he was clearly reading off
a teleprompter, which was a bad move, because it's hard
to feel like only the goats can make teleprompter look natural,
authentic and believable, and there was nothing about that about
Mike Gundhy. He was one of those like, sorry, I
got caught. Sorry this is a problem, not that this
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is a you know, a change in his own personal stance. Well,
this is and this is why I do think he
needs to address it, George is because he's addressed the
other things. He's addressed the T shirt. He's had more
than one apology. I think we're on three. I think
we were on three for the O. A. N. T
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shirt because there was the Chuba Hubbard one, then there
was the the the individual one off the teleprompter, and
then there was an additional conversation that he had with
ESPN in calling himself a dummy for wearing the T shirt.
So we were up to three on that. And I
think that the the the non response to this allegation,
(04:23):
which again and and Alfred Williams brought this up to
the Oklahoman in saying, I'm surprised you guys are you know,
or I'm happy at least you guys are reporting on
it now because none of the Oklahoma papers reported on
it then, but the papers in Colorado did report on it.
There's a headline Gundy accused of Rachel slur in one
(04:43):
of the Colorado papers. In so I do think that
that he needs to address this sort of issue because
there's so many things that that are uh, I mean
at stake. I mean, yeah, Well, it's it's not just
the fact that these things are at state. It's the
fact that that you are a player who I'm sorry,
(05:04):
you're a coach who you make millions of dollars off
of student athletes, most of them black bodies. And it's
not just the issue that he said it, it's what's
in his heart. It's the fact that you can use
these players to make millions of dollars, but then you
don't have that same love and respect for them. That
(05:25):
that test, the ultimate test is can this person married
or this race of person marry your daughter? And I
think that that's what we're questioning about Mike Gundy at
this point in time, because these statements and these feelings,
these go back deep seated and deep rooted things. And
so that's why I say it's a character examination as
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more just oh, I'm just oh, this is a careless incident.
You know, I don't disagree with you. I I this,
and I don't see his teleprompter or apology to me
as a big issue. I would I've I've said this
on this show. I've learned to apologize now that I'm
(06:06):
married three plus years, and I think that there's there's
a way to do it. There's there's You don't say
I'm sorry for how you took my words. You take
responsibility for your own actions. I'm not gonna I'm not
gonna beat him up for using a teleprompter. Yeah, you
want him to speak, you know, from his heart. I
just feel this with a situation like with Gundhi, and
(06:27):
now it's changed. I admit that it's changed because of
what has been brought up now, but I want to
see action from your comments. I want to see how
Mike Gundhi, you know, does react to the social injustices,
how he does handle the Black Lives Matter movement? Is
he a part of it? Is he doing things because
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that to me, George tells me that he has changed, Like,
you can't change my mind with a one minute apology.
And it's the same, you know, it's the same thing
with Drew Brees. Like I thought Drew bree his apologies
in his response to President Trump, in my mind were
really well put. However, if I'm the one that's holding
Drew Brees accountable, I want to see the actions and
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and that's where I'm really going to judge. And so
that's what with his whole with his whole Gundy thing is.
I wanted I even said it yesterday on the program.
I want to see the actions before I, you know,
let him off the hook or say all right, uh
this you know a change needs to be made, but
not with this in the silence. I just I just
haven't you know, I think we need to hear something,
(07:32):
okay as a married man where you talked about apologies,
because I understand this as a married man too. What
is the most important thing about your apology? Um that
it's sincere correct and when you're reading off the teleprompter
and looking all stiff and it didn't feel that, it
didn't look natural. That's the problem is that it's not
(07:54):
just the fact that he apologized. It is where it
It's like that old saying, people won't remember what you said,
they won't remember what you did, but they will remember
how that you made them feel. And how did that
apology If if that were somebody apologizing to you, how
would that apology make you feel? Yeah, I probably wish
(08:14):
it would have come from the heart, you know, would
have just been like you know, I'm sorry. I actually
took more from him calling himself a you know, a
dumb a than than maybe the other two, just of
being like, oh, that's just a convenient thing, dude, Oh
that that seems that seems to be more. I mean,
he's not talking off of a of a teleprompter. But again,
(08:34):
I wanted, I wanted to give him the benefit of
the doubt to be like, all right, let's see this change.
Let's you know, like the apology can only go so far,
and yeah, oh one, I want a dent agree with that.
But I think that you have a whole narrative of people,
a narrative of people who uh well, a contingent of
(08:58):
people who will will say the same thing about Mike
Gundy that they said that they would say about Morgan Scali,
who is the defensive coordinator for Utah, who used the
in word in a text to a recruit and supposedly
get uh to another NFL player. Previous prior to that
is that there's this oh, well, they've brought so many
(09:20):
black men, young black men out of poverty and and
got them to college and all of that. That's what
they're gonna say there, sure, And that's when when there's
no respect. Um yeah, I it, you know, it rings
a bit hollow and and and that's where I think
(09:41):
is where the you know, the change that needs to come.
I don't know, Like Alfred Williams has said that he
doesn't want Gundy to lose his job. He just wants
him to acknowledge what happened. And I think that if Gundy,
um it, mits it and I'm not telling him to
(10:01):
cover it up. But I just don't know how you
continue as the head coach. You don't know how you can.
You know, you can go into a home and and say,
you know to a parent that I'm gonna take care
of your kid when they could just bring that up.
I know it happened thirty one years ago. I know
(10:22):
that there is it's you know, maybe Mike Gundy has grown.
I just don't know how you can continue like that.
And that's why I want to see how this is addressed.
If it is even being addressed. I think his job
is on the line. Yeah, oh it is because and
it is because now you have questions and it feels
(10:44):
like a pattern. And the the thing about it is
where you said about him losing his job and all
of that, I've been one person that as kind of
on the other side from a lot of other people.
I do believe that these things are fireable defenses when
you're especially when you're an a position of leadership, and
you can show favoritism like it's just bad when it's
(11:05):
in there. But I don't believe that when people do
or say racist things, I don't always believe that exile
is the best option because it reinforces their their views
and doesn't actually solve the problem. It gets that person
out of that position. But but I always believe that
you're supposed to love and lead from a place of
(11:30):
of of love and from grace, and but that doesn't
always mean that you are free from consequences. It just
means that you know that there is a place for redemption.
If you're like, wait, hold up, I saw this all wrong, Like,
let me get my heart straight, let me get my
mind straight, because a lot of times people don't always
(11:52):
realize that that something is going on. They just say, oh, well,
I'm getting all these all these black kids to college,
and I'm doing all these great things. But in reality,
you aren't doing something all that great because it's in
your best interest to get them. It's like you are
lining your own pockets. Mike Gundezy, multimillionaire, awful black bodies
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for the majority, for the for the most part. And
if it wasn't him being the head coach because because
they try to turn into this white savior thing and
he said, oh, well he's the guy. More Morgan, Skate
Scali as well. They got so many kids, they did
so many great things. It was in their best interests.
And also if they were in that position, somebody else
(12:35):
would have done it, because that's what you have to
do to win. Sure. It's it's like charity in what
you're saying. If there are people who don't it to
charity to help others, and there are those that donate
to charity to make themselves feel better, Like it's really
of like, what is the real charity of doing it?
It's are you know, are you the one benefiting because
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you make yourself feel better about it, or do you
really want to help the cause. There was a Friend
episode about this. I can't I can't remember if it
was it was Phoebe. He like didn't want to do
anything good because she felt like if she felt good
about it, then it was an actual charity. But that's
the I I think that's kind of to the point
of of what you're saying is yeah, I mean it
it it benefited these coaches and in that time and
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the Gundhy thing. I was gonna ask you this just
about it, because you know, it sounds like you're saying
that he shouldn't lose his job. But I don't want
to put words into your mouth. But I'm wondering, does
does Mike Gundhi change or can the institute change better
continuing as the Oklahoma state head coach? Or is it
just best for all parties to part ways over a
(13:38):
situation like this. This is a case where okay with
the UH similar to what the Utah. What I said
about the Utah because of coordinator is that yes, there
has been time, Yes things can change, but this is new.
I mean, somebody is new with with with Mike Gundy.
But I believe that this should be left up to
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the players who who played for him. I think that
his past players actions should be their thoughts about it
should be factored into it, because that's who the university
has to lean on for, you know, in the future.
So I think that you have to take the temperature
of your university because no one player, no one coach,
(14:20):
no one anything is actually bigger than the university. So
you have to do the right thing for the university.
And whatever that is, I am okay with it, and
like so, I I rarely call for people's jobs, but
that it's just very important too that the people who
are playing for him feel comfortable. The rest of the
(14:40):
students on campus, your your your donors, like, there are
a lot of people that factor into making a program
go that you have to uh factor in. But the
one point I did want to mention that is the
fact that is that when Mike Gundy apologize and said
he was a dumbade for wearing the O A N
(15:01):
N shirt, it rings hollow as well because two months
prior he said, quote, I'll tell you what's funny. I
was flipping through the stations. I found one. I don't
even know if anybody knows this. It's called O A
N N Uh. It was very refreshing. They just report
the news. There's no commentary, no opinions, no left nor right,
(15:21):
blah blah blah, and he goes and he just says someone.
It was just refreshing to to see that. I've been
watching it all week and it was just like, you
know what that station is about, right, Like, come on, bro,
Like you can't say that you're a dumb mate when
you actually support what's going on on that station. That's
why you wore the shirt. Be sure to catch the
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three p m. Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
and the I Heart Radio app. He's George Rice stir
NFL veteran. I'm Dan Buyer. We are sitting in for
Doug today here on Fox Sports Radio. And yeah, big
piece of me missing. As it's mid June, it's a Thursday,
I feel like I should be watching the US Open.
Unfortunately we're gonna have to wait until September to do that.
(16:05):
By the way, you can see it on Fox Sports
One in Fox when it comes around. Joining us now
to talk about I guess maybe who's missing it more
than anybody. He's the Senior Managing Director of Championships for
the USA and basically the guy in charge of the
US Open. John Bodenhammer joins us here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, John,
how are you today? Doing great? Dan George is sure
great to be with you during US Open week original
(16:27):
US Open week anyway. I know that's the crazy thing
is I know how I'm feeling. I can't imagine what
you are feeling this week because everybody's got their routines,
whether it be in fall, winter, spring, but I mean
mid June for the U S g A and the
U S Open. What has this been a week been
(16:47):
alike for you with no major going on right now? Well,
you know, Dan, it's a great question, I think. I
guess whistle is kind of a word that I think about.
I would say that it even started a couple well
a couple of weeks ago, if not a week, aldgo
last Sunday when we were all kind of chatting about,
you know, should we be raising the trophy for a
(17:08):
new US Women's Open champion And the next day would
be final qualifying with about a thousand players around the
country and around the world trying to earn their way
into the US Open. And I think it started there,
and then we would have been at wingfoot last week's
setting holes and peas and getting the golf course ready
and building grandstands. So it's been you know, after thirty
years of the US Open one way or another in
(17:31):
my life it is different for sure. How important is
golf getting back, I mean in terms of being one
of the first sports back only things on television so
you have a chance to grow the game. Is the
p G a considering that with all their decisions they
(17:51):
are And I think we're doing it together or doing
it in a collaborative way. We have regular calls with
the PGA Tour Um and the pg of America. The
Master's European Tour been very collaborative, and I think we
looked at it very much that way. And you look
at golf clubs around the country. People have a pent
up demand to get outside and have some fun and
do something that is athletically related, and golf has been
(18:13):
a beneficiary of that. You talk to most clubs, private,
public resort, uh, They're bursting at the scenes. People want
to get out and play, even in a socially distancing way.
And I think the way that the tour looks at
it is is just that they want to get back
to business. They want to be inspiring. And I think
for us thinking about wingfoot and and and and conducting
(18:33):
a US Open, and what has been the epicenter of
the virus in our country, we think could be a
pretty amazing and inspirational achievement of its own. John Bowden Hammer,
Senior Managing Director of Championships for the USG joining us
here on Fox Sports Radio it is the Doug Gottlieb Show.
George Ristor and myself Dan buy are in for Doug today.
What I think that some people may not realize, John,
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is you will have people on site years in advance.
It's not like you just show up in April and
put on a unament in June. You are there years
in advance. And along with that, you're trying to get
the course. Maybe in twenty nineteen in June at Wingfoot
it's peaking, so you know how it's going to be
um a year from that point. And and and you
probably did that two years prior. How has now the
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championship being moved from June to September altered the plans
for the specific course because of all the planning that
you guys usually put into it. Yeah, that's a great question.
And you know US open, well, any any U s
a championship, and we we typically in a typical year
we have fourteen of them, along with some international competitions.
There are only months in the planning, but they're they're
(19:39):
years in the planning, and uh, you know, a US
Open it is just so unique. We build a small
city where we go h and the planning is comprehensive
and integrated throughout the community, throughout the region. I think
it all starts with the golf course. Wingfoot is one
of our most iconic historic sites. It is just a
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a um revered US Open side. When you think of
the champions that's that's come through there, from Bob Jones,
the Billy Casper, It's you know, you go down the list,
Fuzzy Zeller, some great US Open history. It's all happened
in June for the most part, and it's just going
to be different this year, like everything else is this year.
With what everybody's doing in any sport, September presents a
(20:20):
really wonderful time to play in the Northeast and we
really wanted to play the US Open at Wingfoot and
to be able to do so in September. It'll be different.
Uh you know, we'll have less daylight and us the
field is not one and fifty six players. It will
be a hundred simply because the daylight's limited. But we
do think with the magnificent nature of what Wingfoot is,
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you could you could actually you could dial Wingfoot up
in a week or two and play the US Open
there in almost any years, that type of place, it's
that type of test. But I think that the fall
presents us an opportunity to really get the golf course
firm and fast like we like to get. The weather
is still an average temperature of seventies seven degrees in
June this week at about a two. We look at
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that closely and it's going into our preparations, so you know,
will be back in session. Hopefully that changes things with
volunteers and parking and all of those things, so it's
a lot different, and then you file on all the
health and safety considerations. We're basically starting from scratch, ye, John.
I know everybody will be excited to see the US Open,
(21:25):
whether it's in June September, because it's always one of
the best, uh and most challenging golf map of events
that there is. But how about the entire season, Being
that the season is getting pushed back on on some level,
could it affect one and the schedule going forward, George,
(21:47):
that's an excellent question, and the answers, yes, it will. Uh.
We are in June uh in one at Torrey Pines
where maybe you know, certainly one of the greatest US
Opens ever win Tiger one on a broken leg. Who
will ever, nobody will ever forget that and that Putty
made in on the seventy second hold to get into
the playoffs with rock Omidi a um, And I think
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it will. It will be fine in our prenda. Tory
Pines are magnificent, but make no mistake about it. As
US Open in September and the US Women's Open, think
about this in December on two golf courses. Takes us
right up to the end of the year. Our time
for planning has got to be condensed. And uh, yet
we're up for the task. We're certainly the wagons to
get it done. And we think again, the opportunity to
(22:32):
do something special in the fall, in the winter and
the year off will be with it. A man in
charge of the US Open, John Bowdenhama, joining us here
on Fox Sports Radio. I mean, I guess you could
pick you know, a hundred different places in this country,
but the epicenter of where the coronavirus outbreak was was
where Wingfoot is and and I can't imagine navigating that challenge.
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Where are you guys in terms of spectators being allowed?
How are those why ends? Are there any information? Will
will fans be allowed to be on site for the
event in September? Sure? Well? I think the way that
we've approached this is, you know, the heart perhaps one
of the hardest things around UH COVID nineteen has been
the unknown and and and the fact that it can
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change in a heartbeat. I will say this, I think
that Wingfoot Golf Club has been an amazing partner they have.
It's not this isn't what they signed up for many
years ago. And uh, I think that, you know, the
way we're looking at it is to be as flexible
and as nimble as we can. We've developed multiple scenarios.
It's too early to say whether we'll have fans or not.
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We're I'd say we're cautiously optimistic. UH, as you may
have as most people know that the trends of metrics
in New York and the New York Area the Westchester County,
New York City area by trending positively, the the those
infected by the virus are on the decline. That's a
that's great news. That's the most important news, and we've
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tried to be respect full of that while we're seeking
guidance from state officials, medical officials. We've got great medical advisors,
but we're cautiously optimistic if things continue on the positive
we feel. We feel optimistic about having fans on site.
How many can't tell you, and we will follow exactly
what the state allows us to do. Well, it's uh
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three months away. It's such a weird week, John, I
have no idea how you guys can do it, but
we expect a great event and uh yeah, then you'll
kind of be in our neighborhood, as you said, one
with Tory Pines just a couple of hours away from
us here in Los Angeles. So, John, we appreciate the time,
we appreciate the info, and uh, best of luck to
you guys and hopefully things get back to normal soon.
(24:43):
We appreciate it. Well, thanks for having me on. We
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John Bowden Hammer, Senior Managing Director of Championships for the
U s g A basically the guy in charge of
the US Open. He's George ry Ster. I'm Dan Buyer.
This is the Doug Gottleap Show on Fox Sports Radio.
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Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
gott Leap Show week days at three p m. Easter
noon Pacific. Jaguars, It's tough for me to even say.
I tried to come up with a punny name. Jag Wars.
How about that because that's where George rice Stir spent
his NFL career. We're gonna have a little game between
you and John on Jacksonville Jaguars trivia. All Right, you guys,
(25:29):
go ahead to head. I have six true false questions.
You both will give answers, and we will see who
fares the best in knowing the Jacksonville Jaguars. Isn't the
guy who played his entire NFL career for them? Or
is it the guy that doesn't care to sense about
the Jacksonville Jaguars. George, John, are you ready to play
(25:51):
jag Wars? Yes? Dan? All right? George, alright, here we go.
Let's start out question in number one, these are all
true false questions. In learning a little bit more about
the Jacksonville Jaguars. You just have to tell me if
this is a true or false statement. In nine, let's
(26:14):
just say the mid nineties, the oldest living jaguar in
North America was in Jacksonville, Florida, leading the Jacksonville NFL
expansion team to be called the Jaguars. Is that true
or false? True? John, what do you say that is true? Yes?
Actually it was probably about three was the time on
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the expansion franchise was awarded and obviously starting play in nine,
but the oldest living jaguar was anti Jacksonville Zoo. And
yet some nice alliteration there was that a guest Georgia.
Did you know that? Okay, all right, that was a
guest guest by John. But you're both one for one.
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Question number two, the nicknames that didn't make the cut
where the Jacksonville Sharks and the Jacksonville five. Is that
true or false? John? You're gonna go up first, George, Okay,
that is false. There is no Jacksonville five. That would
have been awesome though, that actually would have been great
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Sharks was a possibility. Stingray was another possibility as well. Yeah,
it would have been one of the few professional leagues
well team mascots that don't end with an S. Yes,
that's true. That's there are very few of them, you have.
People always look at the magic and the heat, George
when you think of like pro sports teams that are
(27:42):
the Colorado Avalanche. But then people forget about the White
Sox and Red Sox because of the X in Major
League Baseball. So yeah, yeah, yep, two for two, you
guys are let's see if you could go three for three, George,
You're up first. The Jacksonville Jaguars pick set in the
NFL Draft behind the Panthers at number one because Jacksonville
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had the first pick in the expansion Draft. Is that
true or false? Um? I know that they did have
the in the expansion Draft. They did have the number
one pick, and they picked uh Steve burn Line, But
I don't think that that was the reason why they
had the second pick in the draft though. Okay, so
(28:28):
you're gonna say false false, I'm gonna it's true. That
is the reason why I know Carolina ended up trading
their pick to the Bengals first overall, where the Bengals
took Jenna Carter and the Panthers took Garry Collins. But yeah,
because Jacksonville had that pick and head number one, it
took Steve Burlin in the Expansion Draft. They gave Carolina
the first pick. In the UH college player Draft. John
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Ramos leads George rice Stir three to two in Jaguars
here on Fox Sports Radio. All right, George, time to
even the score. But John starts off first. The Jaguars
have never had the first overall pick in the NFL draft.
Is that true or false? John, You're up first. I'm
going to say that they've never had the first pick
(29:15):
at all period. Okay, the first overall pick they've never
had it. Is that true or false? I'm gonna say
that's true. True. Okay, George, that is one hundred percent true.
They've never had it. That is correct. It is true. Yes,
four for four for John Ramos. It's it's crazy. For
(29:37):
as bad as they've been, you know, they've never been
They've had the number two pick twice. I think it
was Tony Boselli and that opening UH Draft and then
maybe Kevin I want to say Kevin Hardy, I'm not
a Yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah. After after the
browns um I think took h was it Courtney Brown?
(29:59):
I believe that could have been the year. Yeah. And
then you had Blake Bortles at number three. He also
had him, but never number one. John Ramos, you're four
for four. Let's see if you can even it up
here on jag Wars, fans were given teal colored candy
at games early on in the franchise's history, so their
tongues would be teal, just like their logo. Is that
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true or false? George, I'm gonna go with false, okay.
John Ramos, that sounds like something that that would be
kind of fun. I said, that's true. It is true.
They were given candy. There was also a time where
they gave suckers because it would also turn your your
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tongue teal. A little little little tidbit there about the
Jacksonville Jaguars logo, I think everybody knows that because it
looked like the Jaguar car logo that Ford Motor Company
wasn't having that, so they had to change it. But
the teal tongue was actually a thing. Wayne Weaver, the Uh.
Former owner had them pass out teal colored candy. Wow.
(31:05):
John Romins is going for a perfect score. George, you
can finish with a respectable four of six if you
get this question right. Final one here in Jaguars. The
Jaguars have the fewest playoff appearances of any of the
thirty two NFL franchises. Is that true or false? Not games,
(31:25):
just appearances in the playoffs setting. John Ramos, Mmmm, it's
tough to be perfect. Let's see the fewest, Jackson, it's
a bad team. Um, I'm gonna say that's true. Okay, George, UM,
(31:46):
I'm gonna go with that is false. Vic, Yeah, I'm
gonna go ahead that that that's false because I went
to the playoffs with him twice. They had been a
bunch of times with you know, with thunder and Lightning Keenom,
Mark Kid, Um McCarthy and um Jimmy Smith that why
why receiver, and they've been kind of recently two and
(32:08):
I think the Bucks are gonna be yeah, fighting around there.
But I'm gonna go with the Jaguars, even though the
team has only been around for you know, like twenty
five years. John said false. George says true. No, excuse me,
John said true. George said false, it is false. Yes,
(32:29):
seven playoff appearances. The Houston Texans actually have. I forgot
about them, so they only have six. So John, your
perfect game, you lost it in the bottom of the
ninth inning, but you do win. Jaguars here today five
to four over George Rice stir, congratulations man five. Yeah
(32:51):
you only four? Yeah, you ruined the perfect game. So
that's okay, it's it was rigged. How am I supposed
to believe? So this is my second time on the
Leave Show doing this. First time he goes. First time
he goes, he tries to throw, throw it off, getting
(33:11):
the last question wrong. The way, I'm not hip to
what's going on. I see it. I hear you. I
see you, Mr Ramls. You notice how John locked up
victory first before getting one wrong, like you want to
make sure that he's mathematically going to win before he
you know, tried to throw. I said, I can't lose,
but let's go for this the perfect score. So he actually, George,
(33:36):
you don't know this. John named this uh Son who's
eleven months old, to Jackson after Jacksonville. How I was
about to say if he named his kid Jackson. That
would be interesting because, um, one of my friends whose
kid plays on my flag football team with with with
my son to Roll Davis's kid, one of his kids
names is just so happens to be Jackson. So I
(33:57):
was gonna ask how how he spelled it. But it
was a trick. I'll tell you what. If my name
was Jackson, that's what my bedroom would be called. It
would be Jacksonville, That's what I would call it. I
would get a sign of the city limits outside the door. Uh,
that's for sure. All right, A little, a little, we
got to know a little bit more about the Jacksonville
(34:18):
Jaguars and the team. Did you enjoy your time with Jacksonville, George, Yeah,
I did. I mean it was a it was my
first NFL experience. But then when I went up to
I had a cup of coffee with the New York Giants,
and it was seeing the difference in playing for a
historical NFL franchise one has been around for so long,
(34:40):
has championships, and to see the relationship with the city's
completely different. Like when we used to play, um, the Cowboys, Steelers, Giants.
There would be more of those fans in the stands
because what would happen is the people who were in
Jacksonville were fan of those teams before the Jaguars came
(35:02):
to town, so they would be Jaguars fans. But then
when they're real quote unquote real team came to town,
they would show their true colors. And you know, so
the longer longer than a team is ingrained in a city.
So you have kids that have been born grown up
with the Jaguars around, so now they have a you know,
(35:23):
a true fan base that they can continue to build
on for generations, which is how you build a brand
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