June 19, 2024 • 37 mins
Doug talks about the Pistons firing head coach Monty Williams after one season, and explains why it makes sense to him. Doug welcomes FSR NBA Insider Mark Medina onto the show to discuss the Monty Williams firing, the NBA Finals and the other major headlines around the NBA. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "For Better or Worse?".
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a lot of things that are interesting to get to
in the sports, including Rich Paul trying to sell us
on this idea that Bronnie James if he was anyone,
any other name client would he'd somehow be manipulating the
draft or trying to the way he did does. That's
gonna be fascinating the NBA Draft upcoming next week. So
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there's this lull here now in sports. But the big
news of the day is Monny Williams is fired and
he's supposedly owed sixty five million dollars. Now, now there's
a question, and we'll ask Mark Medina whether or not
there's offset. And maybe the question becomes as much as
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we all think, we all think that JJ Reddick is
going to become the Lakers coach, will he become the
Lakers coach? That would it be Monney Willims or would
Monty Williams join him as an assistant? But the bigger
thing is, you know, when your personal story is so powerful,
it very much skews how we look at your professional story,
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right whereas there really should be some form of separation
of church in state. Monni Williams, of course suffered a
tragedy beyond all measure when his wife was killed somebody
I believe driving the wrong way in Oklahoma when he
was an assistant with the Oklahoma City Thunder like a
supreme amount of tragedy. And he is a very very
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religious guy. And being a guy who played at Notre
Dame and I played after him at at nd Okay
and Money. I don't know how many people know this.
He missed a year and a half with with a
heart issue and this was in the in the days
and years following Hank Gatherers tragically dying same era in
college basketball, and so he had a heart issue and
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it didn't end up holding him back from having a
very good NBA career. But Money Wins was fired and
had barely been on the job obviously, and paid sixty
five million dollars. And what happens when a story like
this goes is now, obviously being a coach, coaches always say, man,
great job, terrible profession. But is it this kind of
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goes hand in hand with Willie Mays dying. You know,
when Willie Mays dies, people say, gone too soon? Is it?
I'm not saying it's not incredibly sad that Willy Mays
is no longer of this earth, But ninety three years
is We're good? They hit the over, right, ninety three
years on this planet, you hit the over. And as
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much as Monty Williams hadn't hit the over in terms
of how long he was a coach of the Detroit Pistons,
it's also fair to say that, hey, if you want
to pay me sixty five million dollars, not coach anymore?
After getting I think twenty million dollars is not coach anymore.
With the Phoenix suns. We can call it good. Is
it really a tragedy if a fifty two year old
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gets fired after just one season on the job. I
don't think the answer is yes. I don't think that's
being callous, that's just being sort of matter of fact,
if you will, just a matter of fact. They lost
twenty eight consecutive games, twenty eight, But I think more
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than anything, it was two other factors. One his inability
or lack of desire to play some of the younger
players and developed them. And then two they hired a
new boss. And we see this in coaching obviously in
college it's your athletic director, of your president, new athletic director,
new president, oftentimes new leadership with the head coach in football, basketball,
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and in your job, in my job, if our leadership changes,
there's a question as to whether or not it will
stay around. People want to bring in people that they've
worked with before, that they know, they know how they work.
Trajan Langdon is a dukie. He's been around this league.
He has not worked with Monty Williams. He takes over
as president, What did you expect to have happened? Especially
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when they lose twenty eight consecutive games, they went over
the month of November over and while he rightfully got
credit for resurrecting the Phoenix Suns, which really started during COVID,
remember there were some run ins with DeAndre and other players,
and eventually he was ousted and he was fired just
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one season into a multi year extension, just like he
was fired just one season into a six year contract.
The point is that while I feel incredible sympathy and
empathy for what money Walliams went through personally, and no
one wants to move the whole coaching staff around and
change and it's bad, But sixty five million, I just
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don't feel. I don't feel that sad. Just like to
a completely different sort of sense, Willie Mays was ninety
three years old. He was an absolute legend, my late father.
When you talk about Willie Mays, his entire body would
light up because he was such a magical personality and
baseball player. But ninety three years old is a good life.
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So is sixty five million dollars plus twenty million dollars
you got to walk away from the Phoenix Suns. It's
a good life. Buyer, Am I looking? Am I too callous?
The way I'm looking at this.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
No business is business.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, I mean, look, I don't like firing a coach
one year in, but he gets sixty five million dollars.
You want to pay somebody sixty five million dollars to
not coach anymore? Most people say, I'll take.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
That checked, I'll do it, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Okay, So here's the question I asked. I asked my
guys this question. Today. You get sixty five million dollars,
which and everybody's like, well, what a bit of for Texas. Okay, fine,
it's forty million dollars. What do you do? What do
you do tomorrow?
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Even if it's just thirty Well, I would probably finish
the week here at Fox Sports Radio. I don't know
if i'd be back the next story.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
You got paid. You got paid thirty million dollars after
taxes to not work sure at Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Yeah I would probably, Oh yeah, oh yeah, I would. Gosh,
I'd probably try to buy a golf course. That's probably
what I would do.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Go home to Lisa. That's a good that's going. You
go home to Lisa and you're like, hey, babe, good news,
bad news. What's the bad news? Got fired what's the
good news? Got sixty five million dollars? Like, I don't
even know how that feels that if that's wait are
you delivering? Is that bad news? Is that? Is that good?
Is that doubly good? How does that work?
Speaker 4 (07:05):
H I it's I think it's great news. It's one
of those where the bad news is just pales in
comparison to the awesome news that you're about to just drop.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Jason Stewart, you get you get paid sixty five million
dollars to not show up at work ever again at
Fox Sports Radio. What do you do?
Speaker 5 (07:23):
That's my bank roll? I play poker for a living.
I've been looking for a bank roll to play poker
for a living and to go in the circuit and
play all the tournaments. And that would be a nice start.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
Sam, I think I'm sleeping in first and then get
up whenever what I mean, I don't know, You're ma
too anxious. Yeah, but whenever I do wake up, I'm
probably gonna give you know, Merrill Lynch a call.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
It's a wise move. Sound and get that money. Yeah,
bred out talking about.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
He's too young to remember you have Hutton when he
have Hutt and speaks polar opposite.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
It's Sam's calling a financial advisor. Jason's bankrolled is gambling future.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
That money's going into a mattress first, and then yeah,
would to the portible, you know, your.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Pot o Jay. I would say that, you know, if
you can make ten percent for the rest of your
life on thirty five forty million dollars, you can have
a whole hell of a lot of fun. Nah just
did you can play poker based upon just the interest?
Speaker 6 (08:27):
It just don't be like the executive with the Jaguars,
you know, just try to spend that little more wisely.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
What's see, who's the executive with the Jaguars? Uh?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
That was the guy that spent the twenty two mil.
Is that what you're talking about?
Speaker 7 (08:37):
On?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Ye like bad bets.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
But he just he didn't even try to manipulate his
his daily fantasy lineups. He just like threw money at
him and they just lost money handed.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
For how much do the healers twenty million or something?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Oh yeah, twenty two million something like that.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, I don't know. I think I would do the
financial advisor to do thing. I would definitely buy a property.
I would bribe a couple of properties, you know, just
buy a couple properties that I want to go live at,
and I think I'll just go about my day. I
don't know, it's pretty good. Like you're fifty five and
you got untold sums of money and you just live
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on the interest for a while, and when you buy stuff,
you want to buy stuff, I mean, think about it
and then in the here's always been my question, if
you have that much money, how much do you keep
in your checking account? And do you check it when
you go to the ATM? Like anybody who's ever done this,
I used to do it. I remember my first job
at ESPN. I used to not get direct deposit forever
and then they're like, why don't you get direct deposit? Well,
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because I actually like picking up a check and seeing
like that's a good check. Feel you feel like you
accomplished something, you know, And I used to always keep it,
like for a long time, I kept it in checking
so that when run the ATM, you're like, ooh, there's
a couple of zeros there. That's really fun. I do
wonder if you have eighty million, you know, in cash
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in the bank, do you keep it in checking? Just
for the giggles of looking at it every time you
run the ATM.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Would not I'd keep a six figures in checking account.
You have to rotate your phone to see the balance.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
That's awesome, that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Will I will say this about the Pistons. Do we
even want to bring it back to the Pistons?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I guess, yeah, sure, it's part of the story.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Yeah, yeah, there is a point is we're sitting there
talking about this for you know, this money that Monty
Williams is going to get, that ownership is obviously going
to have to pay, which you know, Tom Gores probably
doesn't care about if he, you know, allowed the move
to happen. But like what poor planning to just and
I understand that Trajan Langdon is coming in and taking
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over the front office. But a year ago, like you
couldn't envision that. Maybe you wanted to make a change,
you wanted to have somebody oversee something, and like your
your commitment a year ago was like, all right, this
is the time we buckled down and we make a commitment.
And then you so you do it with the head coach.
You didn't do it with Troy Weaver. You didn't you know,
You're like, but Mightty Williams is our guy, and then
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to obviously make a change, which isn't the direct change
of firing Williams after one season immediately, but you bring
in somebody new who wants to fire him, just as like,
I mean, if you're a Pistons fan, like it's just
like what last year was just a complete waste of time,
that's all.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
It was.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Not only that, like you didn't even land any lottery
picks in a bad draft, Like just a complete waste
of a year.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
If you were a Pistons.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Fan, I just can you. I just can't even fathom
what it would be like to lose twenty eight consecutive games,
you know, Yeah, I just I can't possibly fathom it,
not at all. And look it was. It was two
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thousand and nineteen. They finished forty one up, forty one down.
Don Kse was his first year's coach. Remember stan Van
Gunny was coached there. They made the playoffs. The last
time they won fifty games, it was when Flip Saunders
was the coach. They won fifty nine games. That was
in two thousand and eight. I mean, think about that,
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and we're working on sixteen years of futility. They had
one year under a stand band where they finished above
five hundred and forty four and thirty eight one year
since two thousand and eight they finished above five hundred.
That is absolutely nuts. That is absolutely nuts. So yeah,
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I mean poor planning. No one goes to that arena
they built it, Like does anybody know they built a
brand new arena and that no one goes to it.
It's just it's the deadest franchise I think right now
in the NBA. I'm trying to I'm trying to see.
And it's not just because of this year. It's because
they've become completely irrelevant.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
I called the Washington Wizards the Siberia of the NBA.
Is are the pistons and worst shape than the Wizards?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I think? So, I think, so what do you think byer?
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I would go with the Wizards? I just I mean
they you know, being most more or less relevant.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Less relevant because they don't have they don't have the history. Yes,
they don't have the recent history erect because the Wizard
has finished above five hundred and twenty seventeen. They actually
furnished in first in their division, you know, with Scotty Brooks.
They they the first two years of Scotty Brooks, they
went to the playoffs. Scotty had them be in the
playoffs three out of five years. Randy Whitman had in
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the playoffs two of the four years. By the way,
they also they employed Flip Saunders as well. But they
haven't had a fifty They had a forty nine win
season in twenty seventeen. They haven't had a fifty win season.
Oh my gosh, well it's nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
I think we could do a pretty good job in
naming five Pistons, you know, from the team twenty years
ago that won an NBA title. I'd be hard pressed
for us to over the last twenty years name five
popular Washington Wizards that even includes Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
You know.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
I mean when I think of that, I think of
you know, obviously, John Wall, Bradley Beal, I think of that.
I think of the Chris Weber, Juwan Howard Days, and
then Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
That's what I think of.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
And I'm sure I'm missing somebody that's obvious, but that's
who I think of when I think of the Washington Wizards.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
What are you gonna say?
Speaker 6 (14:44):
There's Sam, I have a question for all you guys,
I want to know, I have a one team in mind,
but who is the most irrelevant sad franchise in all
of sports?
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I have a team in mind.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I mean the A's.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
Yes, yep, yeah, the A's are going to be playing
in a minor league ballpark next year. They're the most
sad and irrelevant franchise in all of sports.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
There is a point of I don't know if they're
that irrelevant though, Salmon and I'll push back on it.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
Vegas thing makes them a little more relevant, but there
still does going to Vegas, but that's still what.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
No, no, no, moneyball makes them relevant. And they have been,
you know, the last five years have been, you have
been really you know, disastrous.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
They actually made the playoffs like three years y yes,
was it twenty I thought it was twenty. Yeah, at
twenty nineteen maybe, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
But still five years ago.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
Yeah, it's five years ago. But like look at their attendants.
They're they're a team without really a home. They're going
to play in a minor league ballpark next year.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, I mean, but like like the minor league ballpark
we get did the same thing with the Chargers when
they moved as well, they played you know in a
soccer stadium that that they didn't sell out and see
thirty thousand people.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
It reminds me of a saying that I had to
look up to make sure that I got it correct.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Of the opposite of love is not hate but indifference.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yes, and the really good that you whip that into
radio show by the.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Way, well, and I think it fits because the A's
have actively tried to not win, you know, which has made.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Their fans hate their ownership. So there's like hate there.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Like for a long time, I just felt the Tennessee
Titans were so irrelevant in the NFL because they were
just there, like there was there wasn't any great player,
they would be nine and seven, they would be whatever,
Like it was just they were there. It wasn't that
they were the worst team in the AFC south of
the worst team in the NFL. They were just there
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and it didn't matter. And so that's where I feel
like when you're talking about irrelevant, like you almost it's
not even of being bad, it's just like, are you
there and nobody nobody cares? Brooklyn Nets Maybe, I mean, geez,
you're not even first in your own city.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Completely irrelevant?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Oh, I don't think the Brooklyn's are irrelevant though, I mean,
I mean and to the level of the A's or
to the level of like the Detroit Pistons. I have
not thought of. The only reason I know anything about
the Detroit business is at Kate Cunningham's on the team.
That's it. That's it, you know. I couldn't tell you
who else is on the They have one of they
got one of they drafted one of the twins. I'm
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not sure which one.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
From Thompson Twins.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yes, But other than that, I don't know anything other
than they lost twenty eight con.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Section Jade and Ivy.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah, not anyway pro you know, and they've They've made
mistake after mistake after mistake. But that is absolutely fascinating.
It's a great question. Who is the most irrelevant team
in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
I'd put the Arizona Cardinals in that conversation.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
They made the playoffs two years ago.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
I would actually just argue that they have Kyler Murray,
who we do talk about, but they I.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Mean, they had them JJ Watt at the end. They
tried the retirement plan of some of those guys as well.
Jacksonville had been irrelevant for so long, and then of
course they want a playoff game. And and I think
they had some relevance when they you know, you have
disastrous higher but they did hire you know, Urban Meyer,
and that made them at least relevant, even if it
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was an embarrassing fashion.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I think Jacksonville is easy because we always they're kind
of the punching bag. But I mean they do have
name players that we know.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, well that's that's the power of the NFL is
that they're they're able to kind of cycle through these
teams to we'll have some form of relevance within a
five year span, whereas the NBA does not, Major League
Baseball does not. What about the Detroit Tigers are they
in that I haven't I don't remember. I don't know
anything about the Detroit Tigers in any recent history. And
this is that's a franchise that if you go back
to I don't know, like twenty thirteen or so, maybe
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maybe before that, they had an unbelievable list of talented players.
But I'm not sure I could name a Detroit Tiger
right now, Sam, can you can you name a Detroit Tiger?
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Did he just retire? Is it a bray you that's
You're wrong, incorrect. Who am I think Josea braw who
was released by the Astros. You're thinking of Miguel Cabrera.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
That just shows you that I was not even certain
about who I was talking about.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
On the Tigers.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah, they're best player's best hitter is Riley Green.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Tigers have been irrelevant for a long time.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah, yeah, that is amazing.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
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song Ah Yeah. NBA season is over, but the uh
yaki Yak continues on. That's why we bring in Funky
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col Mark Medina Mark. Let's let's let's recap the finals.
Are there any big takeaways from this NBA Finals, which
was pretty much a mismatch that can carry over historically
or even in the next year.
Speaker 8 (20:23):
Yeah, I think there's two takeaways. I mean, first from
the Celtics, and I think this was the culmination of
all their previous appearances in Eastern Conference finals in the
previous NBA finals and then finally clear that hurdle and
what helped with that, Jason Tatum Jaylen Brown brought their
game to another level of being, you know, more efficient scorers,
more willing passers. They're having even more depth even with
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the limited Christoph Porzingis when he was healthy, that was
a game changer and the continuity piece. So I think
that the Celtics are the latest example that to win
in today's NBA you have to have a star player
two that have really good chemistry, but you've got to
have roster depth and continuity. With Dallas, I think that
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they're head in the right direction. We've seen a better
version of Luca, but Kyrie has got to show up
when it matters, and so there's the supporting cast. So
previously it was all about Luca carrying the team and
no one else. They clearly made more inroads with that,
but it's got to be more consistent for them to
actually win a title.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Okay, this morning we're woking up to the news that
Many Williams was fired by the Pistons. I don't think
it's a stunner that he was fired, but because it's
a sixty five million dollar buyout. It was pretty surprising.
What was your reaction to the to the termination.
Speaker 8 (21:42):
Well, it just showed how terrible ass Suson was. Because usually,
even if it's a losing year, the head coach always
gets a mulligan the first season because they're trying to,
you know, go through the growing pains of developing players.
But it was clearly established that outside of Kate cunning Am,
Noel was actually developing. And I think the other part
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that you hit on when it comes to eating out
a contract, a lot of owners in front offices shy
away from that. But you know, this is very much
tracing back to Tom Gore, the Pistons owner, saying, you
know what, I'm willing to eat that cost to try
to find the right head coach. I think the other
third wrinkle to this is that Monti Williams prior to
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this point had a pretty established track record. I mean,
he's only three years removed from coaching the Suns in
the NBA Finals, and even though things didn't work out
with Phoenix at the time, the feeling was, well, you know,
Chris Paul is wearing down with injuries, and DeAndre Ayton
is not playing up to his potential not accepting a role,
and all those things were true, but also exposed that
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there are some misgivings about Monty Williams. So yeah, I
don't know where he's headed next. I think maybe to
your next question down the line, as the Lakers in
the mix, I would be very surprised if he's now
at least as a head coach, maybe as an assistant.
But I don't think, given what's happened with him in Detroit,
that all of a sudden he would be in the mix.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Is there offset in this contract?
Speaker 8 (23:10):
I'm sorry?
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Is their offset?
Speaker 8 (23:13):
I don't know exact terms, but the way most coaching
firings happen is that there's guaranteed money on the table,
and if or when a coach does get hired with
another team, that does get offset. Yes for sure, where
the you know, the hiring team then helps pay for
what they owe them and that appreciates the cost of
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the previous team that fired a monum. But to be frank,
I don't know exact percentages on how that works out
with his contract.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I mean that would that would it would stand a
reason that if that the Lakers would be in place
and assistant coach he gives them a legitimate head coach,
you know, to be an assistant coach alongside alongside JJ Rick.
The one thing going against it is there is kind
of the Duke mafia thing where Trait Byingdon part of
the Duke off he is he really going to go say, hey,
you should hire you should hire Money Williams, who I
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just fired after working with him for a couple of months.
That that part, that part I might I think they
might struggle it.
Speaker 8 (24:10):
Yeah. And the other wrinkle with this is that, you know,
Mini Williams, even though he clearly didn't have success recently,
he's had experience as a head coach. Sometimes it's hard
to then embrace Okay, I'm going to be an assistant
coach now right off the jump, especially since he's you know,
owed a lot of money right now, maybe he just
sits in shills for a little bit. And I think
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the other wrinkle when you look at the Lakers history,
you know they were able to convince Frank Vogel to
sign on board with having Jason Kidd as a lead
assistant even though they didn't really have a relationship. Would
that be the same thing with many Williams and JJ Reddick.
Maybe because JJ wants to obviously get the hot to
coaching experience, he's willing to sign up for that, But
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I don't know if that's actually going to be the
case or not.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, fascinating stuff. All right, Let's get to this Rich
Paul stuff, because it's really, really really interesting. Rich Paul
has Rich Paul has has spoken to Jonathan Gravoni, and
a couple of the quotes are that he says there's
no package deal between Lebron and Bronny to the Suns
(25:19):
or Lakers. Quote, the Lakers can draft Bronnie and Lebron
doesn't re sign. Lebron is not going to Phoenix for
a minimum for a minimum deal. We can squash that
for now. I didn't know anybody suggested Lebron would go
to Phoenix for a minimum deal. Like then, he went
on to say that he actually named teams that he
believes are interested in Bronni Minnesota at thirty seven, but
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I don't know who their owner will be, Dallas at
fifty eight, Nico Harrison is like an uncle to Bronni,
and Toronto at thirty one. Massid loves Bronni like I
think Rich Paul sounds like the dumbest idiot of all
the idiot own all the agents that could be out there.
What is to be gained by saying that there is
no package deal between Lebron and Bronnie. That's the only
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hope he has of getting the kid drafted.
Speaker 8 (26:06):
Doug, tell me how you really feel about this. There
is a lot to unpack here, and it's ironic timing
because rich Paul is a smart guy. You know understand
when he does things what his aim is trying to do.
But ironically, you know, I have a piece coming out
tomorrow and this illustrates that this was unnecessary. Partly, a
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lot of executives around the league don't see any validity
to the theory that teams are going to draft Browny
with this outside chance that they could convince Lebron to stay. Like,
they don't see that as realistic at all because of
what partly Rich Paul said on the record of it's
hard for them to process that Lebron would sign on
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a very steep discount like a veteran minimum deal. I
think that you know, the executives that I at least
talk to thought that it would just cause more problems
than solve that I'm like, if you're enamored with Brownie
or at least intrigued with him, it's about him and
him alone. And so with that, there's no sense around
the league that teams are even trying to do that
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to begin with. So that's number one. Number two. As
far as where Bronny is going to get drafted, I
think that's a crapshoot. The feeling that I got from
other people, you know, as far as talent evaluators, is
that at best, second round and at worst he's going
to sign, you know, undrafted to a G league contract
(27:31):
with the team. So yeah, it's it's very fascinating across
the board. But that's this time of year, the NBA draft, right.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah. I don't I don't see it, Like I don't
understand what's to be gained by even talking to people
on the record. I just I don't. It sounds really silly.
And I also don't see Ronnie despite the fact this
this draft class isn't a strong one. I mean, you
started to talking about the thirties, like good luck, dude.
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That's I don't know.
Speaker 8 (28:03):
I will say this, Doug. I mean, the people I
talk to, they definitely have a lot of question marks
about Brownie's game. I mean one of the key things
is that there's nken not a defined skill set that
he has, Like he's okay at everything, But what does
that get you? But for what it's worth, Like, one
person was really adamant that, Hey, a lot of respect
gain for his mental fortitude to get over his cardiac
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arrest and that he feels like he is a team guy.
He has good athleticism, He's obviously been you know, has
the pedigree with Lebron, but not so much the silver
spooning aspect, just the idea that he's been around basketball.
And so with that, even though he has a lot
of questions about his game, this one executive specifically thought, Hey, like,
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I think he can make it in this league as
you know, a guy that can be a role player.
And but that is probably not what their expectations are.
So yeah, it's it's fascinating across the board.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
It is fascinating across the board. The last thing, let's
keep it in LA. What happens with Paul George and
the Clippers.
Speaker 8 (29:05):
Yeah, I saw his recent podcast. That's wild. The seething
that I got before all this is that the Clippers
were intent with signing him, but with the idea to
then trade him, almost like what we saw with Blake
Griffin two years ago, where they have that very grandiose
press conference and then trade deadline. They deal because it's
about getting assets, and I think to protect himself from
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having that, Paul George has made it clear that he
wanted certain stipulations in his contract. I think the other
wrinkle is that the Clippers were interested in retaining him
but at the right price, and Paul wasn't about that.
So with this podcast where he's bemoaning about the Clippers
losing a lot of depth with the James Harden trade,
like not just with Paul, but the entire team. They
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were pushing for them to get James Harden, so we
knew the pluses and minuses that they were inheriting with
getting Hardened. So commentary about that after the fact didn't
really seem to make sense from that standpoint. It also
didn't seem to make sense. That he played really well
and was very efficient this season, So any bemoaning that
he had that he wants to be able to be
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an environment where he can play basketball the right way.
I mean, he was a getting his numbers and having
a pretty big role, so I don't get any of those.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I don't as well. All Right, that's the funky cold
Mark Medina. Mark. You've had a great year, but now
the off season calls, and that's where we need your
insight as an insider even more. You're a Fox Sports
Radio NBA insider. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 8 (30:36):
Appreciate you us always, My friend.
Speaker 7 (30:37):
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Speaker 2 (30:46):
That's my good friend, Darius Rucker, Doug Gottlieb Show here
on Fox Sports Radio every day. At this time, we
turned the show over to Dan Byer, who was our
game master, little game time.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
What do you get there, Dan Byer?
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Doug, How has Darius Rutgerd not provided a message to
the Green Bay basketball community?
Speaker 2 (31:19):
He's going to all right, I was supposed to go
and see him. He's performing Saturday with Hooting the Blowfish
at Fenway, and it's a recruiting weekend this weekend, and
there's a big event in Appleton, Wisconsin, and I think
I need to be at the big event.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I think you do too.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Business.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I was also supposed to play golf with Jack Nicholas
at this event is Oklahoma versus OSU Guy event down
at Jimmy Austin in Norman. It was like multiple multiple
commitments this weekend. So yeah, that's that's not great.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Name dropper A life of a coach. Were you on
the links yesterday? Did I did? I?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
I was, gosh, I want to talk to you about that.
By the way, they're way more excited about you coming
and playing at Oneida than they were about me coming.
They're like, hey, would Dampire come into town and play
golf here?
Speaker 3 (32:12):
I doubt that's the case.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I really, I kid you not. There's about four or
five gentlemen and we were having a couple that have
you played there before?
Speaker 3 (32:22):
No? Never have, So you know what I'm coming. I
gave you. I gave By the way, I Doug, I
think we can make our date work.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Okay, So but uh, come on, that's just completing it is.
The course is unbelievable. That course is really nice, all right, Doug?
Speaker 6 (32:39):
Was the hold on? I'm sorry I have a question
about this. Was the mind explosion emoji over the beauty
of the course.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Did you okay? We thought some other people thought maybe
you hit a hole in one or something.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
No, No, you're like I'm looking out going.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Like we're just damn yeah. Health.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I mean you have you know, like most courses, you
have like a little stream, little you know, there's there's
water there. You know, it's like man made. Like no,
there's like legit water, legit beauty. And I'm I just
can't get over how pretty it is.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
All right, Well, let's get to game time. Today's game
is for better or worse? All right, for better or
worse Doug. This is where we give Doug two topics
he can tell He tells us what is better or
what is worse than the other. Jason Tatum versus Jalen Brown,
And you could take it anywhere.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
I want, all right, Jalen Brown wins.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
I think Jlen Brown, I think he gives you more
the defensive end. Again, I know that Jason Tatum's a
better score. But this is like the Damian Lillard versus
Drew Holidays sort of thing, like kind of like a
guy that does a little bit of everything.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
All right, for better or worse.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
As we were just talking about, Detroit and maybe the
relevance or lack thereof of the Pistons and Tigers for
that matter, sports cities for their teams, Detroit versus the
Twin Cities. Twin Cities obviously been in the news because
they haven't won a championship since the Twins in the
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early nineteen nineties. But the t Wolves had a nice
little run here, so things are picking up. But for
better or worse, Detroit versus the Twin Cities as sports cities.
I tried to go Midwest, you know, weather wise as well,
to kind of even it out.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, I feel like the again, this
is total outsider looking in right. And thank goodness we
don't have Chris Preffett today because he would wax poetic
about Detroit. But and of course I'm sure we're going
to get a text at some point from our boss
as a Twin Cities guy, I think the Twin Cities
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is way better, right. I can't think of anything hockey
wise I've heard from Detroit in a long time. It
doesn't mean Minnesota has, but I feel like Minnesota has
been a little bit more relevant. Yes, the Lions were
better last year, but the Vikings have over the last
five to ten years, been far more competitive and far
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more compelling. Twins and Tigers kind of a wash, it
feels like, although Twins feel like they're slightly better, obviously,
the Wolves are way better right now, although they've been
historically bad for a long time. Yeah, I'm gonna go
Twin cities are better. Sports teams are better than Detroit.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Okay, all right? For better or worse. Manty Williams versus
Colin Montgomery, the Battle of two Montes. On this one,
he Klin Montgomery. It's just checking out his net worth
around sixty million dollars. Monty Williams now Colin Montgomery's are
massed over probably one hundred million dollars in his career
(35:47):
golf winnings and whatnot. But yeah, would you rather be
Manty Williams or Colin Montgomery.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
I rather be Monty Williams. I mean, you're a hoop
well mahoper, and people think that Colin Montgomery looks like
missus doubt fire. So I'm gonna go Bonnie Williams.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
That's true. You did get heckled a lot here in
the States. I always rooted for Monty in those matchups.
All right, Doug, something that we're focusing a lot here on.
For better or worse? What are you enjoying?
Speaker 8 (36:14):
More?
Speaker 3 (36:14):
College World Series or Euro twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
College World Series? Although I watched it, I didn't watch
one College World Series game of the Kentucky game there
day was kind of boring, But I would say College
World Series. I can't tell you I've turned on Euro
twenty twenty four. What is that? Is that the European Championship?
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I know it's on, but I flipped on Fox right now?
Who's playing right now? Switzerland and Scotland? Yes, in their match?
Speaker 2 (36:38):
You know how I feel about Switzerland?
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Right, you're neutral?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I'm kind of neutral working yet?
Speaker 3 (36:43):
All right? All right? For better or worse? Doug?
Speaker 4 (36:46):
NFL Draft Day number three or NBA Draft Day number two?
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Oh, NFL Draft Day number three?
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Yeah, I don't know on next week is gonna work?
Speaker 2 (36:56):
I mean, honestly, it's just gonna be about Ronnie James.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Yeah, I suppose maybe maybe.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
More entire thing is gonna be about Brownie James, and
it should be. I mean, the truth is that second
round is usually is some veteran college players go there,
and there have been some steals there. But there's a
lot of guys who have the symbol for Boron in
their last name as well. You're like, wait, what all right?
Speaker 3 (37:18):
To say Final one?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
They challenge for the commission for It's not the commissioner,
it's like the associate commissioner goes up there and pronounce
the names Final one.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Hot Dog's on a grill versus Burgers on a.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Grill, Burger's and a girl.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Oh, I'll go the hot dog route and that's okay.
Speaker 7 (37:33):
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a lot of things that are interesting to get to
in the sports, including Rich Paul trying to sell us
on this idea that Bronnie James if he was anyone,
any other name client would he'd somehow be manipulating the
draft or trying to the way he did does. That's
gonna be fascinating the NBA Draft upcoming next week. So
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there's this lull here now in sports. But the big
news of the day is Monny Williams is fired and
he's supposedly owed sixty five million dollars. Now, now there's
a question, and we'll ask Mark Medina whether or not
there's offset. And maybe the question becomes as much as
(01:18):
we all think, we all think that JJ Reddick is
going to become the Lakers coach, will he become the
Lakers coach? That would it be Monney Willims or would
Monty Williams join him as an assistant? But the bigger
thing is, you know, when your personal story is so powerful,
it very much skews how we look at your professional story,
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right whereas there really should be some form of separation
of church in state. Monni Williams, of course suffered a
tragedy beyond all measure when his wife was killed somebody
I believe driving the wrong way in Oklahoma when he
was an assistant with the Oklahoma City Thunder like a
supreme amount of tragedy. And he is a very very
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religious guy. And being a guy who played at Notre
Dame and I played after him at at nd Okay
and Money. I don't know how many people know this.
He missed a year and a half with with a
heart issue and this was in the in the days
and years following Hank Gatherers tragically dying same era in
college basketball, and so he had a heart issue and
(02:22):
it didn't end up holding him back from having a
very good NBA career. But Money Wins was fired and
had barely been on the job obviously, and paid sixty
five million dollars. And what happens when a story like
this goes is now, obviously being a coach, coaches always say, man,
great job, terrible profession. But is it this kind of
(02:44):
goes hand in hand with Willie Mays dying. You know,
when Willie Mays dies, people say, gone too soon? Is it?
I'm not saying it's not incredibly sad that Willy Mays
is no longer of this earth, But ninety three years
is We're good? They hit the over, right, ninety three
years on this planet, you hit the over. And as
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much as Monty Williams hadn't hit the over in terms
of how long he was a coach of the Detroit Pistons,
it's also fair to say that, hey, if you want
to pay me sixty five million dollars, not coach anymore?
After getting I think twenty million dollars is not coach anymore.
With the Phoenix suns. We can call it good. Is
it really a tragedy if a fifty two year old
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gets fired after just one season on the job. I
don't think the answer is yes. I don't think that's
being callous, that's just being sort of matter of fact,
if you will, just a matter of fact. They lost
twenty eight consecutive games, twenty eight, But I think more
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than anything, it was two other factors. One his inability
or lack of desire to play some of the younger
players and developed them. And then two they hired a
new boss. And we see this in coaching obviously in
college it's your athletic director, of your president, new athletic director,
new president, oftentimes new leadership with the head coach in football, basketball,
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and in your job, in my job, if our leadership changes,
there's a question as to whether or not it will
stay around. People want to bring in people that they've
worked with before, that they know, they know how they work.
Trajan Langdon is a dukie. He's been around this league.
He has not worked with Monty Williams. He takes over
as president, What did you expect to have happened? Especially
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when they lose twenty eight consecutive games, they went over
the month of November over and while he rightfully got
credit for resurrecting the Phoenix Suns, which really started during COVID,
remember there were some run ins with DeAndre and other players,
and eventually he was ousted and he was fired just
(04:55):
one season into a multi year extension, just like he
was fired just one season into a six year contract.
The point is that while I feel incredible sympathy and
empathy for what money Walliams went through personally, and no
one wants to move the whole coaching staff around and
change and it's bad, But sixty five million, I just
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don't feel. I don't feel that sad. Just like to
a completely different sort of sense, Willie Mays was ninety
three years old. He was an absolute legend, my late father.
When you talk about Willie Mays, his entire body would
light up because he was such a magical personality and
baseball player. But ninety three years old is a good life.
(05:40):
So is sixty five million dollars plus twenty million dollars
you got to walk away from the Phoenix Suns. It's
a good life. Buyer, Am I looking? Am I too callous?
The way I'm looking at this.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
No business is business.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, I mean, look, I don't like firing a coach
one year in, but he gets sixty five million dollars.
You want to pay somebody sixty five million dollars to
not coach anymore? Most people say, I'll take.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
That checked, I'll do it, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Okay, So here's the question I asked. I asked my
guys this question. Today. You get sixty five million dollars,
which and everybody's like, well, what a bit of for Texas. Okay, fine,
it's forty million dollars. What do you do? What do
you do tomorrow?
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Even if it's just thirty Well, I would probably finish
the week here at Fox Sports Radio. I don't know
if i'd be back the next story.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
You got paid. You got paid thirty million dollars after
taxes to not work sure at Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Yeah I would probably, Oh yeah, oh yeah, I would. Gosh,
I'd probably try to buy a golf course. That's probably
what I would do.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Go home to Lisa. That's a good that's going. You
go home to Lisa and you're like, hey, babe, good news,
bad news. What's the bad news? Got fired what's the
good news? Got sixty five million dollars? Like, I don't
even know how that feels that if that's wait are
you delivering? Is that bad news? Is that? Is that good?
Is that doubly good? How does that work?
Speaker 4 (07:05):
H I it's I think it's great news. It's one
of those where the bad news is just pales in
comparison to the awesome news that you're about to just drop.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Jason Stewart, you get you get paid sixty five million
dollars to not show up at work ever again at
Fox Sports Radio. What do you do?
Speaker 5 (07:23):
That's my bank roll? I play poker for a living.
I've been looking for a bank roll to play poker
for a living and to go in the circuit and
play all the tournaments. And that would be a nice start.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
Sam, I think I'm sleeping in first and then get
up whenever what I mean, I don't know, You're ma
too anxious. Yeah, but whenever I do wake up, I'm
probably gonna give you know, Merrill Lynch a call.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
It's a wise move. Sound and get that money. Yeah,
bred out talking about.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
He's too young to remember you have Hutton when he
have Hutt and speaks polar opposite.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
It's Sam's calling a financial advisor. Jason's bankrolled is gambling future.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
That money's going into a mattress first, and then yeah,
would to the portible, you know, your.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Pot o Jay. I would say that, you know, if
you can make ten percent for the rest of your
life on thirty five forty million dollars, you can have
a whole hell of a lot of fun. Nah just
did you can play poker based upon just the interest?
Speaker 6 (08:27):
It just don't be like the executive with the Jaguars,
you know, just try to spend that little more wisely.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
What's see, who's the executive with the Jaguars? Uh?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
That was the guy that spent the twenty two mil.
Is that what you're talking about?
Speaker 7 (08:37):
On?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Ye like bad bets.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
But he just he didn't even try to manipulate his
his daily fantasy lineups. He just like threw money at
him and they just lost money handed.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
For how much do the healers twenty million or something?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Oh yeah, twenty two million something like that.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, I don't know. I think I would do the
financial advisor to do thing. I would definitely buy a property.
I would bribe a couple of properties, you know, just
buy a couple properties that I want to go live at,
and I think I'll just go about my day. I
don't know, it's pretty good. Like you're fifty five and
you got untold sums of money and you just live
(09:12):
on the interest for a while, and when you buy stuff,
you want to buy stuff, I mean, think about it
and then in the here's always been my question, if
you have that much money, how much do you keep
in your checking account? And do you check it when
you go to the ATM? Like anybody who's ever done this,
I used to do it. I remember my first job
at ESPN. I used to not get direct deposit forever
and then they're like, why don't you get direct deposit? Well,
(09:32):
because I actually like picking up a check and seeing
like that's a good check. Feel you feel like you
accomplished something, you know, And I used to always keep it,
like for a long time, I kept it in checking
so that when run the ATM, you're like, ooh, there's
a couple of zeros there. That's really fun. I do
wonder if you have eighty million, you know, in cash
(09:53):
in the bank, do you keep it in checking? Just
for the giggles of looking at it every time you
run the ATM.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Would not I'd keep a six figures in checking account.
You have to rotate your phone to see the balance.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
That's awesome, that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Will I will say this about the Pistons. Do we
even want to bring it back to the Pistons?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I guess, yeah, sure, it's part of the story.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Yeah, yeah, there is a point is we're sitting there
talking about this for you know, this money that Monty
Williams is going to get, that ownership is obviously going
to have to pay, which you know, Tom Gores probably
doesn't care about if he, you know, allowed the move
to happen. But like what poor planning to just and
I understand that Trajan Langdon is coming in and taking
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over the front office. But a year ago, like you
couldn't envision that. Maybe you wanted to make a change,
you wanted to have somebody oversee something, and like your
your commitment a year ago was like, all right, this
is the time we buckled down and we make a commitment.
And then you so you do it with the head coach.
You didn't do it with Troy Weaver. You didn't you know,
You're like, but Mightty Williams is our guy, and then
(11:04):
to obviously make a change, which isn't the direct change
of firing Williams after one season immediately, but you bring
in somebody new who wants to fire him, just as like,
I mean, if you're a Pistons fan, like it's just
like what last year was just a complete waste of time,
that's all.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
It was.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Not only that, like you didn't even land any lottery
picks in a bad draft, Like just a complete waste
of a year.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
If you were a Pistons.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Fan, I just can you. I just can't even fathom
what it would be like to lose twenty eight consecutive games,
you know, Yeah, I just I can't possibly fathom it,
not at all. And look it was. It was two
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thousand and nineteen. They finished forty one up, forty one down.
Don Kse was his first year's coach. Remember stan Van
Gunny was coached there. They made the playoffs. The last
time they won fifty games, it was when Flip Saunders
was the coach. They won fifty nine games. That was
in two thousand and eight. I mean, think about that,
(12:13):
and we're working on sixteen years of futility. They had
one year under a stand band where they finished above
five hundred and forty four and thirty eight one year
since two thousand and eight they finished above five hundred.
That is absolutely nuts. That is absolutely nuts. So yeah,
(12:38):
I mean poor planning. No one goes to that arena
they built it, Like does anybody know they built a
brand new arena and that no one goes to it.
It's just it's the deadest franchise I think right now
in the NBA. I'm trying to I'm trying to see.
And it's not just because of this year. It's because
they've become completely irrelevant.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
I called the Washington Wizards the Siberia of the NBA.
Is are the pistons and worst shape than the Wizards?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I think? So, I think, so what do you think byer?
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I would go with the Wizards? I just I mean
they you know, being most more or less relevant.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Less relevant because they don't have they don't have the history. Yes,
they don't have the recent history erect because the Wizard
has finished above five hundred and twenty seventeen. They actually
furnished in first in their division, you know, with Scotty Brooks.
They they the first two years of Scotty Brooks, they
went to the playoffs. Scotty had them be in the
playoffs three out of five years. Randy Whitman had in
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the playoffs two of the four years. By the way,
they also they employed Flip Saunders as well. But they
haven't had a fifty They had a forty nine win
season in twenty seventeen. They haven't had a fifty win season.
Oh my gosh, well it's nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
I think we could do a pretty good job in
naming five Pistons, you know, from the team twenty years
ago that won an NBA title. I'd be hard pressed
for us to over the last twenty years name five
popular Washington Wizards that even includes Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
You know.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
I mean when I think of that, I think of
you know, obviously, John Wall, Bradley Beal, I think of that.
I think of the Chris Weber, Juwan Howard Days, and
then Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
That's what I think of.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
And I'm sure I'm missing somebody that's obvious, but that's
who I think of when I think of the Washington Wizards.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
What are you gonna say?
Speaker 6 (14:44):
There's Sam, I have a question for all you guys,
I want to know, I have a one team in mind,
but who is the most irrelevant sad franchise in all
of sports?
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I have a team in mind.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I mean the A's.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
Yes, yep, yeah, the A's are going to be playing
in a minor league ballpark next year. They're the most
sad and irrelevant franchise in all of sports.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
There is a point of I don't know if they're
that irrelevant though, Salmon and I'll push back on it.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
Vegas thing makes them a little more relevant, but there
still does going to Vegas, but that's still what.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
No, no, no, moneyball makes them relevant. And they have been,
you know, the last five years have been, you have
been really you know, disastrous.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
They actually made the playoffs like three years y yes,
was it twenty I thought it was twenty. Yeah, at
twenty nineteen maybe, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
But still five years ago.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
Yeah, it's five years ago. But like look at their attendants.
They're they're a team without really a home. They're going
to play in a minor league ballpark next year.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, I mean, but like like the minor league ballpark
we get did the same thing with the Chargers when
they moved as well, they played you know in a
soccer stadium that that they didn't sell out and see
thirty thousand people.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
It reminds me of a saying that I had to
look up to make sure that I got it correct.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Of the opposite of love is not hate but indifference.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yes, and the really good that you whip that into
radio show by the.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Way, well, and I think it fits because the A's
have actively tried to not win, you know, which has made.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Their fans hate their ownership. So there's like hate there.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Like for a long time, I just felt the Tennessee
Titans were so irrelevant in the NFL because they were
just there, like there was there wasn't any great player,
they would be nine and seven, they would be whatever,
Like it was just they were there. It wasn't that
they were the worst team in the AFC south of
the worst team in the NFL. They were just there
(16:39):
and it didn't matter. And so that's where I feel
like when you're talking about irrelevant, like you almost it's
not even of being bad, it's just like, are you
there and nobody nobody cares? Brooklyn Nets Maybe, I mean, geez,
you're not even first in your own city.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Completely irrelevant?
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Oh, I don't think the Brooklyn's are irrelevant though, I mean,
I mean and to the level of the A's or
to the level of like the Detroit Pistons. I have
not thought of. The only reason I know anything about
the Detroit business is at Kate Cunningham's on the team.
That's it. That's it, you know. I couldn't tell you
who else is on the They have one of they
got one of they drafted one of the twins. I'm
(17:20):
not sure which one.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
From Thompson Twins.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yes, But other than that, I don't know anything other
than they lost twenty eight con.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Section Jade and Ivy.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah, not anyway pro you know, and they've They've made
mistake after mistake after mistake. But that is absolutely fascinating.
It's a great question. Who is the most irrelevant team
in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
I'd put the Arizona Cardinals in that conversation.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
They made the playoffs two years ago.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
I would actually just argue that they have Kyler Murray,
who we do talk about, but they I.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Mean, they had them JJ Watt at the end. They
tried the retirement plan of some of those guys as well.
Jacksonville had been irrelevant for so long, and then of
course they want a playoff game. And and I think
they had some relevance when they you know, you have
disastrous higher but they did hire you know, Urban Meyer,
and that made them at least relevant, even if it
(18:22):
was an embarrassing fashion.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I think Jacksonville is easy because we always they're kind
of the punching bag. But I mean they do have
name players that we know.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, well that's that's the power of the NFL is
that they're they're able to kind of cycle through these
teams to we'll have some form of relevance within a
five year span, whereas the NBA does not, Major League
Baseball does not. What about the Detroit Tigers are they
in that I haven't I don't remember. I don't know
anything about the Detroit Tigers in any recent history. And
this is that's a franchise that if you go back
to I don't know, like twenty thirteen or so, maybe
(18:56):
maybe before that, they had an unbelievable list of talented players.
But I'm not sure I could name a Detroit Tiger
right now, Sam, can you can you name a Detroit Tiger?
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Did he just retire? Is it a bray you that's
You're wrong, incorrect. Who am I think Josea braw who
was released by the Astros. You're thinking of Miguel Cabrera.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
That just shows you that I was not even certain
about who I was talking about.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
On the Tigers.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah, they're best player's best hitter is Riley Green.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Tigers have been irrelevant for a long time.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah, yeah, that is amazing.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
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Speaker 2 (19:44):
App Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. You
know the song you know who that means? Follows the
song Ah Yeah. NBA season is over, but the uh
yaki Yak continues on. That's why we bring in Funky
(20:05):
col Mark Medina Mark. Let's let's let's recap the finals.
Are there any big takeaways from this NBA Finals, which
was pretty much a mismatch that can carry over historically
or even in the next year.
Speaker 8 (20:23):
Yeah, I think there's two takeaways. I mean, first from
the Celtics, and I think this was the culmination of
all their previous appearances in Eastern Conference finals in the
previous NBA finals and then finally clear that hurdle and
what helped with that, Jason Tatum Jaylen Brown brought their
game to another level of being, you know, more efficient scorers,
more willing passers. They're having even more depth even with
(20:45):
the limited Christoph Porzingis when he was healthy, that was
a game changer and the continuity piece. So I think
that the Celtics are the latest example that to win
in today's NBA you have to have a star player
two that have really good chemistry, but you've got to
have roster depth and continuity. With Dallas, I think that
(21:05):
they're head in the right direction. We've seen a better
version of Luca, but Kyrie has got to show up
when it matters, and so there's the supporting cast. So
previously it was all about Luca carrying the team and
no one else. They clearly made more inroads with that,
but it's got to be more consistent for them to
actually win a title.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Okay, this morning we're woking up to the news that
Many Williams was fired by the Pistons. I don't think
it's a stunner that he was fired, but because it's
a sixty five million dollar buyout. It was pretty surprising.
What was your reaction to the to the termination.
Speaker 8 (21:42):
Well, it just showed how terrible ass Suson was. Because usually,
even if it's a losing year, the head coach always
gets a mulligan the first season because they're trying to,
you know, go through the growing pains of developing players.
But it was clearly established that outside of Kate cunning Am,
Noel was actually developing. And I think the other part
(22:03):
that you hit on when it comes to eating out
a contract, a lot of owners in front offices shy
away from that. But you know, this is very much
tracing back to Tom Gore, the Pistons owner, saying, you
know what, I'm willing to eat that cost to try
to find the right head coach. I think the other
third wrinkle to this is that Monti Williams prior to
(22:24):
this point had a pretty established track record. I mean,
he's only three years removed from coaching the Suns in
the NBA Finals, and even though things didn't work out
with Phoenix at the time, the feeling was, well, you know,
Chris Paul is wearing down with injuries, and DeAndre Ayton
is not playing up to his potential not accepting a role,
and all those things were true, but also exposed that
(22:47):
there are some misgivings about Monty Williams. So yeah, I
don't know where he's headed next. I think maybe to
your next question down the line, as the Lakers in
the mix, I would be very surprised if he's now
at least as a head coach, maybe as an assistant.
But I don't think, given what's happened with him in Detroit,
that all of a sudden he would be in the mix.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Is there offset in this contract?
Speaker 8 (23:10):
I'm sorry?
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Is their offset?
Speaker 8 (23:13):
I don't know exact terms, but the way most coaching
firings happen is that there's guaranteed money on the table,
and if or when a coach does get hired with
another team, that does get offset. Yes for sure, where
the you know, the hiring team then helps pay for
what they owe them and that appreciates the cost of
(23:35):
the previous team that fired a monum. But to be frank,
I don't know exact percentages on how that works out
with his contract.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I mean that would that would it would stand a
reason that if that the Lakers would be in place
and assistant coach he gives them a legitimate head coach,
you know, to be an assistant coach alongside alongside JJ Rick.
The one thing going against it is there is kind
of the Duke mafia thing where Trait Byingdon part of
the Duke off he is he really going to go say, hey,
you should hire you should hire Money Williams, who I
(24:04):
just fired after working with him for a couple of months.
That that part, that part I might I think they
might struggle it.
Speaker 8 (24:10):
Yeah. And the other wrinkle with this is that, you know,
Mini Williams, even though he clearly didn't have success recently,
he's had experience as a head coach. Sometimes it's hard
to then embrace Okay, I'm going to be an assistant
coach now right off the jump, especially since he's you know,
owed a lot of money right now, maybe he just
sits in shills for a little bit. And I think
(24:33):
the other wrinkle when you look at the Lakers history,
you know they were able to convince Frank Vogel to
sign on board with having Jason Kidd as a lead
assistant even though they didn't really have a relationship. Would
that be the same thing with many Williams and JJ Reddick.
Maybe because JJ wants to obviously get the hot to
coaching experience, he's willing to sign up for that, But
(24:57):
I don't know if that's actually going to be the
case or not.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, fascinating stuff. All right, Let's get to this Rich
Paul stuff, because it's really, really really interesting. Rich Paul
has Rich Paul has has spoken to Jonathan Gravoni, and
a couple of the quotes are that he says there's
no package deal between Lebron and Bronny to the Suns
(25:19):
or Lakers. Quote, the Lakers can draft Bronnie and Lebron
doesn't re sign. Lebron is not going to Phoenix for
a minimum for a minimum deal. We can squash that
for now. I didn't know anybody suggested Lebron would go
to Phoenix for a minimum deal. Like then, he went
on to say that he actually named teams that he
believes are interested in Bronni Minnesota at thirty seven, but
(25:41):
I don't know who their owner will be, Dallas at
fifty eight, Nico Harrison is like an uncle to Bronni,
and Toronto at thirty one. Massid loves Bronni like I
think Rich Paul sounds like the dumbest idiot of all
the idiot own all the agents that could be out there.
What is to be gained by saying that there is
no package deal between Lebron and Bronnie. That's the only
(26:03):
hope he has of getting the kid drafted.
Speaker 8 (26:06):
Doug, tell me how you really feel about this. There
is a lot to unpack here, and it's ironic timing
because rich Paul is a smart guy. You know understand
when he does things what his aim is trying to do.
But ironically, you know, I have a piece coming out
tomorrow and this illustrates that this was unnecessary. Partly, a
(26:29):
lot of executives around the league don't see any validity
to the theory that teams are going to draft Browny
with this outside chance that they could convince Lebron to stay. Like,
they don't see that as realistic at all because of
what partly Rich Paul said on the record of it's
hard for them to process that Lebron would sign on
(26:49):
a very steep discount like a veteran minimum deal. I
think that you know, the executives that I at least
talk to thought that it would just cause more problems
than solve that I'm like, if you're enamored with Brownie
or at least intrigued with him, it's about him and
him alone. And so with that, there's no sense around
the league that teams are even trying to do that
(27:10):
to begin with. So that's number one. Number two. As
far as where Bronny is going to get drafted, I
think that's a crapshoot. The feeling that I got from
other people, you know, as far as talent evaluators, is
that at best, second round and at worst he's going
to sign, you know, undrafted to a G league contract
(27:31):
with the team. So yeah, it's it's very fascinating across
the board. But that's this time of year, the NBA draft, right.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah. I don't I don't see it, Like I don't
understand what's to be gained by even talking to people
on the record. I just I don't. It sounds really silly.
And I also don't see Ronnie despite the fact this
this draft class isn't a strong one. I mean, you
started to talking about the thirties, like good luck, dude.
(28:00):
That's I don't know.
Speaker 8 (28:03):
I will say this, Doug. I mean, the people I
talk to, they definitely have a lot of question marks
about Brownie's game. I mean one of the key things
is that there's nken not a defined skill set that
he has, Like he's okay at everything, But what does
that get you? But for what it's worth, Like, one
person was really adamant that, Hey, a lot of respect
gain for his mental fortitude to get over his cardiac
(28:25):
arrest and that he feels like he is a team guy.
He has good athleticism, He's obviously been you know, has
the pedigree with Lebron, but not so much the silver
spooning aspect, just the idea that he's been around basketball.
And so with that, even though he has a lot
of questions about his game, this one executive specifically thought, Hey, like,
(28:46):
I think he can make it in this league as
you know, a guy that can be a role player.
And but that is probably not what their expectations are.
So yeah, it's it's fascinating across the board.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
It is fascinating across the board. The last thing, let's
keep it in LA. What happens with Paul George and
the Clippers.
Speaker 8 (29:05):
Yeah, I saw his recent podcast. That's wild. The seething
that I got before all this is that the Clippers
were intent with signing him, but with the idea to
then trade him, almost like what we saw with Blake
Griffin two years ago, where they have that very grandiose
press conference and then trade deadline. They deal because it's
about getting assets, and I think to protect himself from
(29:29):
having that, Paul George has made it clear that he
wanted certain stipulations in his contract. I think the other
wrinkle is that the Clippers were interested in retaining him
but at the right price, and Paul wasn't about that.
So with this podcast where he's bemoaning about the Clippers
losing a lot of depth with the James Harden trade,
like not just with Paul, but the entire team. They
(29:51):
were pushing for them to get James Harden, so we
knew the pluses and minuses that they were inheriting with
getting Hardened. So commentary about that after the fact didn't
really seem to make sense from that standpoint. It also
didn't seem to make sense. That he played really well
and was very efficient this season, So any bemoaning that
he had that he wants to be able to be
(30:13):
an environment where he can play basketball the right way.
I mean, he was a getting his numbers and having
a pretty big role, so I don't get any of those.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I don't as well. All Right, that's the funky cold
Mark Medina. Mark. You've had a great year, but now
the off season calls, and that's where we need your
insight as an insider even more. You're a Fox Sports
Radio NBA insider. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 8 (30:36):
Appreciate you us always, My friend.
Speaker 7 (30:37):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
That's my good friend, Darius Rucker, Doug Gottlieb Show here
on Fox Sports Radio every day. At this time, we
turned the show over to Dan Byer, who was our
game master, little game time.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
What do you get there, Dan Byer?
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Doug, How has Darius Rutgerd not provided a message to
the Green Bay basketball community?
Speaker 2 (31:19):
He's going to all right, I was supposed to go
and see him. He's performing Saturday with Hooting the Blowfish
at Fenway, and it's a recruiting weekend this weekend, and
there's a big event in Appleton, Wisconsin, and I think
I need to be at the big event.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I think you do too.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Business.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I was also supposed to play golf with Jack Nicholas
at this event is Oklahoma versus OSU Guy event down
at Jimmy Austin in Norman. It was like multiple multiple
commitments this weekend. So yeah, that's that's not great.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Name dropper A life of a coach. Were you on
the links yesterday? Did I did? I?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
I was, gosh, I want to talk to you about that.
By the way, they're way more excited about you coming
and playing at Oneida than they were about me coming.
They're like, hey, would Dampire come into town and play
golf here?
Speaker 3 (32:12):
I doubt that's the case.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I really, I kid you not. There's about four or
five gentlemen and we were having a couple that have
you played there before?
Speaker 3 (32:22):
No? Never have, So you know what I'm coming. I
gave you. I gave By the way, I Doug, I
think we can make our date work.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Okay, So but uh, come on, that's just completing it is.
The course is unbelievable. That course is really nice, all right, Doug?
Speaker 6 (32:39):
Was the hold on? I'm sorry I have a question
about this. Was the mind explosion emoji over the beauty
of the course.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Did you okay? We thought some other people thought maybe
you hit a hole in one or something.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
No, No, you're like I'm looking out going.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Like we're just damn yeah. Health.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I mean you have you know, like most courses, you
have like a little stream, little you know, there's there's
water there. You know, it's like man made. Like no,
there's like legit water, legit beauty. And I'm I just
can't get over how pretty it is.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
All right, Well, let's get to game time. Today's game
is for better or worse? All right, for better or
worse Doug. This is where we give Doug two topics
he can tell He tells us what is better or
what is worse than the other. Jason Tatum versus Jalen Brown,
And you could take it anywhere.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
I want, all right, Jalen Brown wins.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
I think Jlen Brown, I think he gives you more
the defensive end. Again, I know that Jason Tatum's a
better score. But this is like the Damian Lillard versus
Drew Holidays sort of thing, like kind of like a
guy that does a little bit of everything.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
All right, for better or worse.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
As we were just talking about, Detroit and maybe the
relevance or lack thereof of the Pistons and Tigers for
that matter, sports cities for their teams, Detroit versus the
Twin Cities. Twin Cities obviously been in the news because
they haven't won a championship since the Twins in the
(34:02):
early nineteen nineties. But the t Wolves had a nice
little run here, so things are picking up. But for
better or worse, Detroit versus the Twin Cities as sports cities.
I tried to go Midwest, you know, weather wise as well,
to kind of even it out.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, I feel like the again, this
is total outsider looking in right. And thank goodness we
don't have Chris Preffett today because he would wax poetic
about Detroit. But and of course I'm sure we're going
to get a text at some point from our boss
as a Twin Cities guy, I think the Twin Cities
(34:43):
is way better, right. I can't think of anything hockey
wise I've heard from Detroit in a long time. It
doesn't mean Minnesota has, but I feel like Minnesota has
been a little bit more relevant. Yes, the Lions were
better last year, but the Vikings have over the last
five to ten years, been far more competitive and far
(35:04):
more compelling. Twins and Tigers kind of a wash, it
feels like, although Twins feel like they're slightly better, obviously,
the Wolves are way better right now, although they've been
historically bad for a long time. Yeah, I'm gonna go
Twin cities are better. Sports teams are better than Detroit.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Okay, all right? For better or worse. Manty Williams versus
Colin Montgomery, the Battle of two Montes. On this one,
he Klin Montgomery. It's just checking out his net worth
around sixty million dollars. Monty Williams now Colin Montgomery's are
massed over probably one hundred million dollars in his career
(35:47):
golf winnings and whatnot. But yeah, would you rather be
Manty Williams or Colin Montgomery.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
I rather be Monty Williams. I mean, you're a hoop
well mahoper, and people think that Colin Montgomery looks like
missus doubt fire. So I'm gonna go Bonnie Williams.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
That's true. You did get heckled a lot here in
the States. I always rooted for Monty in those matchups.
All right, Doug, something that we're focusing a lot here on.
For better or worse? What are you enjoying?
Speaker 8 (36:14):
More?
Speaker 3 (36:14):
College World Series or Euro twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
College World Series? Although I watched it, I didn't watch
one College World Series game of the Kentucky game there
day was kind of boring, But I would say College
World Series. I can't tell you I've turned on Euro
twenty twenty four. What is that? Is that the European Championship?
Speaker 3 (36:30):
I know it's on, but I flipped on Fox right now?
Who's playing right now? Switzerland and Scotland? Yes, in their match?
Speaker 2 (36:38):
You know how I feel about Switzerland?
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Right, you're neutral?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I'm kind of neutral working yet?
Speaker 3 (36:43):
All right? All right? For better or worse? Doug?
Speaker 4 (36:46):
NFL Draft Day number three or NBA Draft Day number two?
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Oh, NFL Draft Day number three?
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Yeah, I don't know on next week is gonna work?
Speaker 2 (36:56):
I mean, honestly, it's just gonna be about Ronnie James.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Yeah, I suppose maybe maybe.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
More entire thing is gonna be about Brownie James, and
it should be. I mean, the truth is that second
round is usually is some veteran college players go there,
and there have been some steals there. But there's a
lot of guys who have the symbol for Boron in
their last name as well. You're like, wait, what all right?
Speaker 3 (37:18):
To say Final one?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
They challenge for the commission for It's not the commissioner,
it's like the associate commissioner goes up there and pronounce
the names Final one.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Hot Dog's on a grill versus Burgers on a.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Grill, Burger's and a girl.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Oh, I'll go the hot dog route and that's okay.
Speaker 7 (37:33):
Game, This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
How do you like your hot dog cooked? Right? I
kind of like my hot dog a little bit, like
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