May 10, 2024 • 28 mins
Doug riffs about the NBA playoffs. Doug reacts to Paul Pierce's take that the Thunder are in trouble in their series against the Mavericks. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Doug gives out his Pick Of The Day.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Godly Show. Heres in
the Bonus with Doug Gotts. What dog got a jelling about?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
It was not right?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Hope, You're great. We've reached those weekends who were creeping
closer and closer to Memorial Weekend. Right, college kids out
of school, some of your high schools are getting closer
to getting out of school as well. Baseball in full swing, huh,
And of course the NBA playoffs. I wanted to do this.
(00:37):
Look I yesterday we talked a lot about Shack and
how Shaq talked about Joker, And I don't know if
this is the right term. So if it's not the
right term, I know a lot of people I get.
I can actually emails and texts and tweets every day
saying how much you love in the Bonus, So I
(00:58):
appreciate it. And if I'm using a wrong term, feel
free to give me the term that's right. I think
if Shaquille O'Neil as a linear thinker, a linear thinker, okay,
and by that I mean like if A plus B
equill see right. Like For example, his pick for the
(01:20):
league's MVP was Shay Gildess Alexander because Shay scored thirty
a game, shot a great percentage, and his team was
the number one seed. Linear thinker, it all fits in
line with basic linear thinking. He was the best player
on the best team in the West, which is the
better better conference. So that makes sense. Is linear? Kind
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of what do you guys think linear? Or work with it? Okay?
So I don't believe that that is how you decide
who the most valuable player is. Again, linear thinkers may
last time I'm watching and Luka Doncik is not fully
healthy right now. Part of it is he does he
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at times runs like if he raised a pregnant woman,
he'd come in third. He's never been fleet a foot
yet in unbelievably effective, but it's clear to see that
he's kind of like old man in it down the
court right. But dominated the game, completely dominated the game
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and the other the way in which he dominated some
was scoring, but Shay scored more, But a lot of
it was just controlling everything, controls the pace and tempo,
controls who's taking what shot, making the reads and then
making the right shots, getting a lead, taking the pressure
off of his teammates. But the bigger thing is, and
(02:45):
maybe this is a more grandiose term, he makes people better,
everybody better. Shaye does make the thunder Art better because
of Shaye Gildas Alexander, But does he make his teammates better?
I don't believe the answer is yes, or to the
level of Luca and so like. I don't think Shay
is ever even in the conversation of being the best
player in the NBA. By the way, that's what Nikola
(03:07):
Jokic does. Does he score?
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Does he pass?
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Does he control everything?
Speaker 6 (03:12):
Yes? Yes?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yes? And similarly, Anthony Edwards is like that is it
a great score? Is a great competitor, pretty good on
ball defender, doesn't really pass and create for other people.
Has great energy which and plays with great joy, but
it doesn't make peepl better. That's what makes Lebron great,
That's what made Bird great. That's to make Magic great.
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It's not surprising that Shaq feels that way because that's
how big guys don't see the whole picture. But that
is the whole picture.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
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Speaker 3 (03:56):
Well, let's get to what the Fox says and now
say every day at this time of the Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports, right do we played for a portion
of a previous show on Fox Sports Radio or Fox
Sports once called what does the Fox Say? See what
we did there? Huh? Clever, clever. Here's Dan Patrick talking
about the firing of Frank Vogel.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
The Suns fired Frank Vogel deep into his coaching tenure
in Phoenix. He was there for a year. Wouldn't you
fire the guy who hired the guy that you just fired?
How do you hire Frank Vogel? And then after a
year ago? Mmmm, you know what made a mistake? How
how much did you vet this process to bring in
Frank Vogel, who's a respected veteran coach, won a title
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of course with Lebron in the bubble, a defensive minded guy.
So he's the problem. And if you replace him with
Mike Budenholzer, the former Bucks head coach, then everything's good.
That doesn't help you with Bradley Beal's contract. But here
is a guy that you gave five years thirty one
million dollars too, and then after one year you go, Now,
(05:05):
I know this happens when people get married, you know,
like six weeks later they're going, Oh, this isn't gonna
work out. But Frank Vogel had been in the NBA
for a long time and you had to look at
him and go, Okay, he is going to provide what.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Look, this is gonna sound callous, But I I gotta
tell you, I don't think it's I don't think firing
Frank Vogel is the worst decision of all time. I don't.
But I also don't think that hiring Mike Budenholzer is
a good decision. First of all, let's just be honest.
(05:50):
Something I tweeted out I know to be true. They
interviewed Mike Budenholzer last week while Frank Vogel was still
going through the process of of kind of an exit
interviews with ownership, with management, under the assumption that he
was keeping his job. So that's really shitty business. It
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just is. It's really shitty business. And the crazy part
about it is it feels like they hired boon Holes
here quickly. One because they had already talked to him,
but two because they thought, for some odd reason the
Lakers might hire him, and they feared a shrinking coaching market, right,
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and like, look, we've all bought things in the past
that you know how many times you walked in you've
bought a house. They're like, well, you know, we have
a couple of second showings coming up. Well, that doesn't
mean you have to buy a house that you don't
necessarily want. There are other houses. There's not just one
guy that can coach this team. But I think it's
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absolutely positively fascinating what happens next. I do think that
James Jones either loses his job or his presence is minimized.
I also think that Matt Ibshia, who's the new owner,
who was a walk on at Michigan State, and he's
one of those guys that I think he thinks he
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knows a little bit more about basketball than he does.
But he also comes, you know, from the big business world. Right,
He's like the loan king, but you know a lot
of it. It's kind of a finance background. It's a hey, look,
everybody's on essentially a one year deal. It's just petty
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cash to him. And as many people have pointed out,
it's easier to change the coach than change the players
and I think that's part of it. Look I like
Frank Vogel. I've come to know him, I know people
work for him. I think he's a good man. I
think he's a good coach. I don't think he's a
good coach for those players. On the other hand, in
fairness to Frank, he didn't want to keep Kevin Young,
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and Kevin Young ran the offense, and the offense was
the part that really irritated Kevin Durant. But I would
also say that Frank didn't do as good a job
as he could do. Should he have been granted a
second year to improve, Yes, but it did feel like
the die was cast. The point is that I don't
think that this is a case of the Sons just saying, hey,
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we're just changing out the coach hoping for a different result.
They're gonna have to change personnel a great deal. James
Jones did a shitty job. He gave away Deandreton for
two backup bigs, and he never was able to acquire
a point guard, and that ultimately undid them more so
than the personnel. In addition to which, whether it was
the owner or the general manager forcing him to keep
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Kevin Young, who was the runner up to get the job,
who was close to Devin Booker. That didn't work either.
That's a dumb fucking idea, bad idea, and it backfired.
You know, when you have a coach who's not necessarily
viewed as being on the safe wavelength as the head
coach and yet he's making offensive decisions. Just didn't work.
(09:07):
None of it worked. Son's you're gonna try something new.
And as much as you want to feel bad for
Frank Vogel, he's got thirty one million dollars coming to
his bank account, I don't feel bad for him now.
The assistance, all of them came with him from outside
of Kevin Young. Kevin Young's making four million dollars to
coach BYU the assistance. That's who I feel bad for,
(09:29):
although they all had multi year contracts. Here's Paul Pierce
talking about the thunder on.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
A scale of one to two. My concern for the
thunder and if I were down, it'll be a nine
skip At first I thought seven, but it should be
a nine because this is for the first time as
a group, they're going to really feel see what it
really feels like to be on the road in a
real playoffs.
Speaker 8 (09:54):
Say they haven't lost a playoff. This is their first playoff.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Loss, well not only their first playoff loss, but they're
gonna see what a real on the road playoff environment
is gonna look like, because I don't think they saw
that in New Orleans. Dallas is a different place than
New Orleans. The fans are way different. And now you're
gonna woke in a sleeping giant, which I told you,
(10:17):
Luca's gonna bounce back, because that's what star stars do.
They bounce back all this stuff that, oh he's heard
he's limping. He did that in a Clipper series where
he was like, I don't know, he looks like he's
this and that, And I told you, I said, watch
he bounced back in Game two and give you a
superstar performances because that's what superstars do.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Agreed. I believe Luka Doncik is the best player in
the NBA. H shape had a better offensive scoring season
and is unbelievable what he does. I'm not convinced he
makes everybody better way that Luca can both score and
(11:01):
make everybody better. But he's also not as ball dominant
as Luca is, and that's really the challenge here for
the MAVs. And look, let's also be let's also point
out PJ Washington hitting all those threes. That changes everything.
You know, you jump up, hit five first half threes
and now all of a sudden, Oklahoma City see ghosts defensively.
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But I do think I agree with Paul Pierce. Luca
is a superstar and that's what He was the best
player on the floor by a good amount last night,
and it proved to be a good portion of why
the Mavericks were successful. Here's Colin Coward talking about Tua
and Jared Goff.
Speaker 8 (11:42):
If you ask the fans, and you ask a lot
of the media, they view these as equal or two
is better. But the sharpest GM one of them in
the NFL. They're getting this thing done fast, the to
a thing. They're still reluctant. And so two was a
little bit like that Miami speedboat. It's flashy, but it's seasonal.
(12:03):
Jared Goff's the pickup truck. It works in all weather.
This morning I went and looked, and this is a
real thing. We talked about this about two A couple
days ago. I went and found golf and Tua in
weather under forty five degrees that is January February December
football golf ninety passer rating winning record, still a very
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viable quarterback four to one TDed interception ratio. Tua plummets.
You got to give the extensions to the guys that
are all terrain, all weather, the pickup trucks.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah, I think Miami's in a bit of a tough
spot here because Tua fits what they're doing and they'd
like to keep toa But you don't want to keep
to at the top of the market sort of money
long term. So what do you do? Because the beauty
to Tua is now make a lot of money. You're
able to surround him with all star talent and make
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up for what he lacks in arm strength and mobility.
So you'd like to keep him, but you don't want
keep him at fifty million. I don't know what the
answer is. I do think that Miami's more in on
him than Colin Leidi you believe, and also more in
on him than most people in the league believe they
should be. That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 8 (13:27):
Say.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Let's find out who
are what's annoying, Jason Stewart, and now it's your annoying.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
So I'll be in casual conversations with people I don't know,
acquaintances or even strangers, and I'll be asked, Hey, how
come you don't gamble on sports, and then I'll show
them what happened in Boston last night. Celtics were given
thirteen points and they lost by twenty four. That shouldn't
(14:11):
That doesn't make any sense. That there's nothing about that
makes sense. And if you're gambling on sports, you are
taking things into your own hands. It's a huge risk.
I hope you do it recreationally. I really hope everyone
out there is doing it responsibly, because last night is
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a great example of the horrors of sports gambling.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
You know, it's interesting, I did like both of the
dogs last night, right, But you're right. The thing that
we talked about this a little bit on radio, which
is what's unique about the NBA, or at least to me,
what's unique about the NBA is you can literally watch
one night the same two teams matchup two nights later
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and have a completely different opinion. And while you think, well,
that's just the NBA, think about the NFL. How many
times do we sit here on a Monday and we're
convinced of something and then the teams granted they don't
play the same team week you know, the next week,
but we can have the exact opposite opinion of a team.
That's sports. And oh, by the way, that's why, as
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my college coach, the late great Eddie Sutton would say,
they don't keep building these buildings in Vegas because the
house loses.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
You know.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
What else.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Shaquille O'Neil, he was on the segment yesterday for just
completely raining on the Jokers parade after he won the MVP.
I think you and I were in agreement. It was disrespectful.
I don't know where that comes from. So over the
last twenty four hours, Shaq has been taking shit for
(16:00):
which he should and Shannon Sharp gave him shit. And
then as part of Shannon Sharp giving him shit, he
said that Shaq is jealous of Jokers multiple MVPs. I
think that's what he was saying. And Shack did a
disc track that I'm gonna play right now. I have
not heard it so this will be a first time.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Listen. Uh, here's a little example.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
You way beneath me, you hold him mean' fake, then
you w repp of beat bet you're soft before you
get fly. You rather tweet me, I wasn't three different
cars when you wasn't three feet. All I see is
DNA signs. They come in at three D making hot.
Ain't away around my tree. You are not in my fire.
You are like a pee witch. You look got him
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calling me rocky the way I re read, I get
to the green bag, I don't mean a long more
jet flying, foreign driving test buying, don forra I'm a man.
You way beneath me.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
You hold him.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
Meanor fake, then you repp of beat bet you're soft.
It's when you get flying, or rather tweet me, I
was in three different cars when you wasn't three feet.
All I see is done at signs. They come in
at three D. Mak it hot. Ain't nowhere around my.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Team, So you get you get the gist there. It
did remind me of one of Shaq's all time raps
when he told Kobe how does his ass taste? After
the Heat won a championship? But we forget about that
one that was amazing. So Shaq, this is kind of
tongue in cheek here and it's a distrack thing and
an ode to Kendrick Lamar and Drake whatnot. But I
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will say this one thing he hasn't done in the
last twenty four hours is like come clean and just
be like, you know what, thinking back on that that
was the wrong time in wrong place, I shouldn't have
said that to him at that point I was wrong.
But instead he's kind of doubled down and fought the criticism.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
You know, I'm gonna defend Shack from from this perspective,
I don't think it has anything to do with jealousy.
I just I think it honestly, I think it's one
of those he he wanted to be. I agree with you,
by the way, Jay Stu that it was. It was
just wrong time, wrong place, it landed wrong. But I
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don't think it came from a place that Why would
Shack be jealous of of? That doesn't make anything. It
doesn't make any sense to anybody, to anybody has any
sort of reality, right, Shaq thinks himself as if in
any conversation of the greatest player ever, he does there's
no reason to be jealous. I just think it comes
from Shaq's desire to be up front and not be
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a phony. And it's one of those when keeping it
real goes wrong. Deal, right, All he wanted to do
is he didn't want to be a guy who's kissing
who's kissing his booty. And then and then you find out, well,
the whole time, you know, you've been telling people that
Shay should have been the MVP. It's just a time
and place thing, and plenty of us have learned that.
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So I don't mind. I don't mind the disc track.
I thought it was great. That was great back and forth.
And look, I know Shannon works for the Volume, which
is loosely connected with us, and he used to work
for Fox Sports, But I don't actually value Shannon's opinion
on basketball, not that Shaq has. But Shack also supported
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his point on why he thought Shay should get the MVP, right.
His point was, his point was that Joker is the
best player in the world, but that SHA's team won more.
Sha statistically had a better season, so Shay should be
the MVP. That was his point, Like, that's his criteria.
(19:47):
That's okay. By the way Dan Patrick said back when
he had a vote when he was at ESPN. He
said yesterday that he voted Jordan every year because Jordan
won Championshi and he thought that was what an MVP did,
and every arena he went into was filled up. And
if you use that, then of course Lebron James would
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be the MVP consistently because he fills up every arena,
or it would be Steph Curry. The issue with Shannon
Sharp is what is your criteria? All you're saying is
what we've been saying. It was disrespectful. I don't think
it was intentionally disrespectful. I truly don't, truly.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Truly don't.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I think the the goat conversation MJ and Lebron, I
think that that it jumped the shark a long time ago.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
But this MJ Anthony.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Edwards, Oh gosh, this is it's like there this national
conversation to fill the void of like putting a face
on the NBA has somehow become not only is Anthony
Edwards the face the NBA, but now he's the next MJ.
And people keep making in the comparison. And then Ant
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was asked the question during a package last night on ESPN.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
I want people to be like, if Anthony Air was kid,
he got his own styff.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
He maybe got a.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Mix of Michael Jordan and him.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
But I got a trade ball.
Speaker 9 (21:15):
I can shoot the three, so I think that makes
it a little different than Michael Jordan's.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I guess I was mistaken as him saying I'm Michael
Jordan with a three point shot, which isn't that at all.
But it's it seems like in five years you and
I are gonna be doing this podcast and saying, remember
when Anthony Edwards had a really good playoff series and
then people started comparing him to Michael Jordan, And we'll
just laugh.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
We'll just laugh together, we will, We'll crack up in hilarity. Yes,
and like, look, Anthony Edwards was not alive when Michael
Jordan played for the Bulls. Anthony Edwards was not alive,
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so he anything. And this is why I don't talk
about or if I do, like well, Wilt Chamberlain, I
don't necessarily talk about because Will Chamberlain, Jerry West and
Elgin Baylor, uh, Kareem even and I did see Kareem
play with the Lakers, but that was not prime Kareem, Like,
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you know, Bill Russell. All of that I got from
my dad, who I respect in my dad's opinion, But
there are people whose opinions I don't respect, So I
don't respect who and there. Look, there's opinions that my
dad had that I disagree with about about players that
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we both saw play. So I would just say that
I don't know why we have to do it. Part
of it is there is a some some of the
facial features look similar. I think people do that, they
do the half the face thing. But we're just trying
way too hard.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Remember you're walking up the suppery soap when you do that.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
You know what, you know, it's funny. This is what's
really interesting. People who want to bring Michael Jordan into
every conversation are like people who want to bring Jesus
into every conversation, or they people who see Michael Jordan
in his face are like people who see Jesus in
your coffee. They're like, oh my God, I saw Jesus
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Christ in my coffee. Look, look there's the hair, there's
the face. That's Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Why you Jesus excuse me.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
It's a pretty good line. Though on a piece of
toast or yeah, Virgin Mary Jesus. Usually what else is
that it?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
I was just thinking of the you just started a
non sequitor, like if the real Jesus Christ were to
stand up today, if you were to return, Uh, half
the world would believe it. Half the world would think
it's a conspiracy theory that's only talked about on Joe
Rogan podcast, and it would be it would be broken
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down a political divide. If you voted for Trump, that's
not the real Jesus Christ, and it would just be insane.
I want I kind of want to see it because
nobody would believe it. People think half the people think
everything is bullshit in our new world.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Correct, maybe everything is bullshit. I think the sports betting thing,
sports betting and how it's just it's like I mean
in my son, by the way, he does a thing
where it's like all on credit, so it's like fake
money whatever, but it's it's definitely grooming him for a
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lifetime of betting on sports.
Speaker 9 (24:55):
As a.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Why are we doing this? I do.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Because we can. We got too good piece of sound.
By now I'm guessing you've seen this because it went viral.
Luka Doncik was beginning his postgame press conference when this happened.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
And just how sharing the ball and our energy was great.
Speaker 10 (25:20):
What do you think, Okay, Okay, moving on, that's not life.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
What do we think that? Do we think that was
two people? Do we think that was somebody on their laptop?
Do we think that was somebody goofing?
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I think that one one tweet I saw, I think
nailed it. I think it's somebody had their phone on
their Bluetooth to their their hearing device on their air
pods or whatever, and the Bluetooth cut out or he
turned it on not thinking that the Bluetooth was off,
(26:09):
and it was his phone and porn for the entire
room to hear. I love that theory.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Okay, had it on his phone?
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Huh huh. That's a complex theory, but not out of reach.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
No, not crazy.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
I've yet to hear an explanation otherwise.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
I haven't heard any real explanation. That's just a theory
or a hypothesis. We have one more really good piece
of sound. This is Julian Edelman on the Herd yesterday pension.
Speaker 9 (26:45):
In that room, though it was it was real head cut,
it was very real.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
It was.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
I was so awkward.
Speaker 9 (26:52):
I was like, I was watching coach and I tried
to give coach a heads up. I'm like, I see
craft walk in my coach, you know, like you this
locker room ship like five oh five oh, you know like.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
He did.
Speaker 9 (27:07):
Of course he didn't fucking see it, right, And he
came in and I was just like, oh shit, this
could be fireworks.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
I just walked away.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
It's amazing, amazing. The five oh thing is so good,
right like that? People, have you ever heard that like
in a locker room or did you ever do that
when you're in school where the teacher came up like
fie oh fie oh? How long? How old were you
when you figured out what five O was?
Speaker 4 (27:36):
I think it was boys on the Hood, right, boys.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
In the hood? Well, I mean Hawaii five oh was
I was born. My mom went into labor and my
dad's like, hey, can we wait till the end of
Hawaii five oh before I take you to the hospital?
Real story.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
He was the Rudy Gobert of his time. Yes, oh no,
the anti Go Bear and that to Go Beart.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Why can we play it for you because we can't
skip rop pick of the.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Day Okay, sir, the bet is to you.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Call in baby.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
It's time for the Pick of the day.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Pick of the Day comes from the NBA Boys that
Pacers are a seven and a half point favorite. Hekes,
Minnesota is a three and a half point favorite. I
think the Nuggets win tonight. I think the Nuggets win tonight.
Nuggets are three and a half point favorites, the three
and a half point dogs. Nuggets on the road with
the W. That's the bick. Have yourself a great weekend.
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Thanks so much for listening. This is the Doug Otlieb Show.
All right, this is the Doug Godly Show. Heres in
the Bonus with Doug Gotts. What dog got a jelling about?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
It was not right?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Hope, You're great. We've reached those weekends who were creeping
closer and closer to Memorial Weekend. Right, college kids out
of school, some of your high schools are getting closer
to getting out of school as well. Baseball in full swing, huh,
And of course the NBA playoffs. I wanted to do this.
(00:37):
Look I yesterday we talked a lot about Shack and
how Shaq talked about Joker, And I don't know if
this is the right term. So if it's not the
right term, I know a lot of people I get.
I can actually emails and texts and tweets every day
saying how much you love in the Bonus, So I
(00:58):
appreciate it. And if I'm using a wrong term, feel
free to give me the term that's right. I think
if Shaquille O'Neil as a linear thinker, a linear thinker, okay,
and by that I mean like if A plus B
equill see right. Like For example, his pick for the
(01:20):
league's MVP was Shay Gildess Alexander because Shay scored thirty
a game, shot a great percentage, and his team was
the number one seed. Linear thinker, it all fits in
line with basic linear thinking. He was the best player
on the best team in the West, which is the
better better conference. So that makes sense. Is linear? Kind
(01:40):
of what do you guys think linear? Or work with it? Okay?
So I don't believe that that is how you decide
who the most valuable player is. Again, linear thinkers may
last time I'm watching and Luka Doncik is not fully
healthy right now. Part of it is he does he
(02:03):
at times runs like if he raised a pregnant woman,
he'd come in third. He's never been fleet a foot
yet in unbelievably effective, but it's clear to see that
he's kind of like old man in it down the
court right. But dominated the game, completely dominated the game
(02:24):
and the other the way in which he dominated some
was scoring, but Shay scored more, But a lot of
it was just controlling everything, controls the pace and tempo,
controls who's taking what shot, making the reads and then
making the right shots, getting a lead, taking the pressure
off of his teammates. But the bigger thing is, and
(02:45):
maybe this is a more grandiose term, he makes people better,
everybody better. Shaye does make the thunder Art better because
of Shaye Gildas Alexander, But does he make his teammates better?
I don't believe the answer is yes, or to the
level of Luca and so like. I don't think Shay
is ever even in the conversation of being the best
player in the NBA. By the way, that's what Nikola
(03:07):
Jokic does. Does he score?
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Does he pass?
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Does he control everything?
Speaker 6 (03:12):
Yes? Yes?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yes? And similarly, Anthony Edwards is like that is it
a great score? Is a great competitor, pretty good on
ball defender, doesn't really pass and create for other people.
Has great energy which and plays with great joy, but
it doesn't make peepl better. That's what makes Lebron great,
That's what made Bird great. That's to make Magic great.
(03:38):
It's not surprising that Shaq feels that way because that's
how big guys don't see the whole picture. But that
is the whole picture.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
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Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
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Speaker 3 (03:56):
Well, let's get to what the Fox says and now
say every day at this time of the Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports, right do we played for a portion
of a previous show on Fox Sports Radio or Fox
Sports once called what does the Fox Say? See what
we did there? Huh? Clever, clever. Here's Dan Patrick talking
about the firing of Frank Vogel.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
The Suns fired Frank Vogel deep into his coaching tenure
in Phoenix. He was there for a year. Wouldn't you
fire the guy who hired the guy that you just fired?
How do you hire Frank Vogel? And then after a
year ago? Mmmm, you know what made a mistake? How
how much did you vet this process to bring in
Frank Vogel, who's a respected veteran coach, won a title
(04:41):
of course with Lebron in the bubble, a defensive minded guy.
So he's the problem. And if you replace him with
Mike Budenholzer, the former Bucks head coach, then everything's good.
That doesn't help you with Bradley Beal's contract. But here
is a guy that you gave five years thirty one
million dollars too, and then after one year you go, Now,
(05:05):
I know this happens when people get married, you know,
like six weeks later they're going, Oh, this isn't gonna
work out. But Frank Vogel had been in the NBA
for a long time and you had to look at
him and go, Okay, he is going to provide what.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Look, this is gonna sound callous, But I I gotta
tell you, I don't think it's I don't think firing
Frank Vogel is the worst decision of all time. I don't.
But I also don't think that hiring Mike Budenholzer is
a good decision. First of all, let's just be honest.
(05:50):
Something I tweeted out I know to be true. They
interviewed Mike Budenholzer last week while Frank Vogel was still
going through the process of of kind of an exit
interviews with ownership, with management, under the assumption that he
was keeping his job. So that's really shitty business. It
(06:12):
just is. It's really shitty business. And the crazy part
about it is it feels like they hired boon Holes
here quickly. One because they had already talked to him,
but two because they thought, for some odd reason the
Lakers might hire him, and they feared a shrinking coaching market, right,
(06:34):
and like, look, we've all bought things in the past
that you know how many times you walked in you've
bought a house. They're like, well, you know, we have
a couple of second showings coming up. Well, that doesn't
mean you have to buy a house that you don't
necessarily want. There are other houses. There's not just one
guy that can coach this team. But I think it's
(06:54):
absolutely positively fascinating what happens next. I do think that
James Jones either loses his job or his presence is minimized.
I also think that Matt Ibshia, who's the new owner,
who was a walk on at Michigan State, and he's
one of those guys that I think he thinks he
(07:15):
knows a little bit more about basketball than he does.
But he also comes, you know, from the big business world. Right,
He's like the loan king, but you know a lot
of it. It's kind of a finance background. It's a hey, look,
everybody's on essentially a one year deal. It's just petty
(07:35):
cash to him. And as many people have pointed out,
it's easier to change the coach than change the players
and I think that's part of it. Look I like
Frank Vogel. I've come to know him, I know people
work for him. I think he's a good man. I
think he's a good coach. I don't think he's a
good coach for those players. On the other hand, in
fairness to Frank, he didn't want to keep Kevin Young,
(07:56):
and Kevin Young ran the offense, and the offense was
the part that really irritated Kevin Durant. But I would
also say that Frank didn't do as good a job
as he could do. Should he have been granted a
second year to improve, Yes, but it did feel like
the die was cast. The point is that I don't
think that this is a case of the Sons just saying, hey,
(08:20):
we're just changing out the coach hoping for a different result.
They're gonna have to change personnel a great deal. James
Jones did a shitty job. He gave away Deandreton for
two backup bigs, and he never was able to acquire
a point guard, and that ultimately undid them more so
than the personnel. In addition to which, whether it was
the owner or the general manager forcing him to keep
(08:42):
Kevin Young, who was the runner up to get the job,
who was close to Devin Booker. That didn't work either.
That's a dumb fucking idea, bad idea, and it backfired.
You know, when you have a coach who's not necessarily
viewed as being on the safe wavelength as the head
coach and yet he's making offensive decisions. Just didn't work.
(09:07):
None of it worked. Son's you're gonna try something new.
And as much as you want to feel bad for
Frank Vogel, he's got thirty one million dollars coming to
his bank account, I don't feel bad for him now.
The assistance, all of them came with him from outside
of Kevin Young. Kevin Young's making four million dollars to
coach BYU the assistance. That's who I feel bad for,
(09:29):
although they all had multi year contracts. Here's Paul Pierce
talking about the thunder on.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
A scale of one to two. My concern for the
thunder and if I were down, it'll be a nine
skip At first I thought seven, but it should be
a nine because this is for the first time as
a group, they're going to really feel see what it
really feels like to be on the road in a
real playoffs.
Speaker 8 (09:54):
Say they haven't lost a playoff. This is their first playoff.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Loss, well not only their first playoff loss, but they're
gonna see what a real on the road playoff environment
is gonna look like, because I don't think they saw
that in New Orleans. Dallas is a different place than
New Orleans. The fans are way different. And now you're
gonna woke in a sleeping giant, which I told you,
(10:17):
Luca's gonna bounce back, because that's what star stars do.
They bounce back all this stuff that, oh he's heard
he's limping. He did that in a Clipper series where
he was like, I don't know, he looks like he's
this and that, And I told you, I said, watch
he bounced back in Game two and give you a
superstar performances because that's what superstars do.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Agreed. I believe Luka Doncik is the best player in
the NBA. H shape had a better offensive scoring season
and is unbelievable what he does. I'm not convinced he
makes everybody better way that Luca can both score and
(11:01):
make everybody better. But he's also not as ball dominant
as Luca is, and that's really the challenge here for
the MAVs. And look, let's also be let's also point
out PJ Washington hitting all those threes. That changes everything.
You know, you jump up, hit five first half threes
and now all of a sudden, Oklahoma City see ghosts defensively.
(11:24):
But I do think I agree with Paul Pierce. Luca
is a superstar and that's what He was the best
player on the floor by a good amount last night,
and it proved to be a good portion of why
the Mavericks were successful. Here's Colin Coward talking about Tua
and Jared Goff.
Speaker 8 (11:42):
If you ask the fans, and you ask a lot
of the media, they view these as equal or two
is better. But the sharpest GM one of them in
the NFL. They're getting this thing done fast, the to
a thing. They're still reluctant. And so two was a
little bit like that Miami speedboat. It's flashy, but it's seasonal.
(12:03):
Jared Goff's the pickup truck. It works in all weather.
This morning I went and looked, and this is a
real thing. We talked about this about two A couple
days ago. I went and found golf and Tua in
weather under forty five degrees that is January February December
football golf ninety passer rating winning record, still a very
(12:26):
viable quarterback four to one TDed interception ratio. Tua plummets.
You got to give the extensions to the guys that
are all terrain, all weather, the pickup trucks.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah, I think Miami's in a bit of a tough
spot here because Tua fits what they're doing and they'd
like to keep toa But you don't want to keep
to at the top of the market sort of money
long term. So what do you do? Because the beauty
to Tua is now make a lot of money. You're
able to surround him with all star talent and make
(13:04):
up for what he lacks in arm strength and mobility.
So you'd like to keep him, but you don't want
keep him at fifty million. I don't know what the
answer is. I do think that Miami's more in on
him than Colin Leidi you believe, and also more in
on him than most people in the league believe they
should be. That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 8 (13:27):
Say.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Let's find out who
are what's annoying, Jason Stewart, and now it's your annoying.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
So I'll be in casual conversations with people I don't know,
acquaintances or even strangers, and I'll be asked, Hey, how
come you don't gamble on sports, and then I'll show
them what happened in Boston last night. Celtics were given
thirteen points and they lost by twenty four. That shouldn't
(14:11):
That doesn't make any sense. That there's nothing about that
makes sense. And if you're gambling on sports, you are
taking things into your own hands. It's a huge risk.
I hope you do it recreationally. I really hope everyone
out there is doing it responsibly, because last night is
(14:33):
a great example of the horrors of sports gambling.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
You know, it's interesting, I did like both of the
dogs last night, right, But you're right. The thing that
we talked about this a little bit on radio, which
is what's unique about the NBA, or at least to me,
what's unique about the NBA is you can literally watch
one night the same two teams matchup two nights later
(15:05):
and have a completely different opinion. And while you think, well,
that's just the NBA, think about the NFL. How many
times do we sit here on a Monday and we're
convinced of something and then the teams granted they don't
play the same team week you know, the next week,
but we can have the exact opposite opinion of a team.
That's sports. And oh, by the way, that's why, as
(15:26):
my college coach, the late great Eddie Sutton would say,
they don't keep building these buildings in Vegas because the
house loses.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
You know.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
What else.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Shaquille O'Neil, he was on the segment yesterday for just
completely raining on the Jokers parade after he won the MVP.
I think you and I were in agreement. It was disrespectful.
I don't know where that comes from. So over the
last twenty four hours, Shaq has been taking shit for
(16:00):
which he should and Shannon Sharp gave him shit. And
then as part of Shannon Sharp giving him shit, he
said that Shaq is jealous of Jokers multiple MVPs. I
think that's what he was saying. And Shack did a
disc track that I'm gonna play right now. I have
not heard it so this will be a first time.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Listen. Uh, here's a little example.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
You way beneath me, you hold him mean' fake, then
you w repp of beat bet you're soft before you
get fly. You rather tweet me, I wasn't three different
cars when you wasn't three feet. All I see is
DNA signs. They come in at three D making hot.
Ain't away around my tree. You are not in my fire.
You are like a pee witch. You look got him
(16:45):
calling me rocky the way I re read, I get
to the green bag, I don't mean a long more
jet flying, foreign driving test buying, don forra I'm a man.
You way beneath me.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
You hold him.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
Meanor fake, then you repp of beat bet you're soft.
It's when you get flying, or rather tweet me, I
was in three different cars when you wasn't three feet.
All I see is done at signs. They come in
at three D. Mak it hot. Ain't nowhere around my.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Team, So you get you get the gist there. It
did remind me of one of Shaq's all time raps
when he told Kobe how does his ass taste? After
the Heat won a championship? But we forget about that
one that was amazing. So Shaq, this is kind of
tongue in cheek here and it's a distrack thing and
an ode to Kendrick Lamar and Drake whatnot. But I
(17:33):
will say this one thing he hasn't done in the
last twenty four hours is like come clean and just
be like, you know what, thinking back on that that
was the wrong time in wrong place, I shouldn't have
said that to him at that point I was wrong.
But instead he's kind of doubled down and fought the criticism.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
You know, I'm gonna defend Shack from from this perspective,
I don't think it has anything to do with jealousy.
I just I think it honestly, I think it's one
of those he he wanted to be. I agree with you,
by the way, Jay Stu that it was. It was
just wrong time, wrong place, it landed wrong. But I
(18:10):
don't think it came from a place that Why would
Shack be jealous of of? That doesn't make anything. It
doesn't make any sense to anybody, to anybody has any
sort of reality, right, Shaq thinks himself as if in
any conversation of the greatest player ever, he does there's
no reason to be jealous. I just think it comes
from Shaq's desire to be up front and not be
(18:33):
a phony. And it's one of those when keeping it
real goes wrong. Deal, right, All he wanted to do
is he didn't want to be a guy who's kissing
who's kissing his booty. And then and then you find out, well,
the whole time, you know, you've been telling people that
Shay should have been the MVP. It's just a time
and place thing, and plenty of us have learned that.
(18:56):
So I don't mind. I don't mind the disc track.
I thought it was great. That was great back and forth.
And look, I know Shannon works for the Volume, which
is loosely connected with us, and he used to work
for Fox Sports, But I don't actually value Shannon's opinion
on basketball, not that Shaq has. But Shack also supported
(19:23):
his point on why he thought Shay should get the MVP, right.
His point was, his point was that Joker is the
best player in the world, but that SHA's team won more.
Sha statistically had a better season, so Shay should be
the MVP. That was his point, Like, that's his criteria.
(19:47):
That's okay. By the way Dan Patrick said back when
he had a vote when he was at ESPN. He
said yesterday that he voted Jordan every year because Jordan
won Championshi and he thought that was what an MVP did,
and every arena he went into was filled up. And
if you use that, then of course Lebron James would
(20:09):
be the MVP consistently because he fills up every arena,
or it would be Steph Curry. The issue with Shannon
Sharp is what is your criteria? All you're saying is
what we've been saying. It was disrespectful. I don't think
it was intentionally disrespectful. I truly don't, truly.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Truly don't.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I think the the goat conversation MJ and Lebron, I
think that that it jumped the shark a long time ago.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
But this MJ Anthony.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Edwards, Oh gosh, this is it's like there this national
conversation to fill the void of like putting a face
on the NBA has somehow become not only is Anthony
Edwards the face the NBA, but now he's the next MJ.
And people keep making in the comparison. And then Ant
(21:03):
was asked the question during a package last night on ESPN.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
I want people to be like, if Anthony Air was kid,
he got his own styff.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
He maybe got a.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Mix of Michael Jordan and him.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
But I got a trade ball.
Speaker 9 (21:15):
I can shoot the three, so I think that makes
it a little different than Michael Jordan's.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I guess I was mistaken as him saying I'm Michael
Jordan with a three point shot, which isn't that at all.
But it's it seems like in five years you and
I are gonna be doing this podcast and saying, remember
when Anthony Edwards had a really good playoff series and
then people started comparing him to Michael Jordan, And we'll
just laugh.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
We'll just laugh together, we will, We'll crack up in hilarity. Yes,
and like, look, Anthony Edwards was not alive when Michael
Jordan played for the Bulls. Anthony Edwards was not alive,
(22:02):
so he anything. And this is why I don't talk
about or if I do, like well, Wilt Chamberlain, I
don't necessarily talk about because Will Chamberlain, Jerry West and
Elgin Baylor, uh, Kareem even and I did see Kareem
play with the Lakers, but that was not prime Kareem, Like,
(22:25):
you know, Bill Russell. All of that I got from
my dad, who I respect in my dad's opinion, But
there are people whose opinions I don't respect, So I
don't respect who and there. Look, there's opinions that my
dad had that I disagree with about about players that
(22:46):
we both saw play. So I would just say that
I don't know why we have to do it. Part
of it is there is a some some of the
facial features look similar. I think people do that, they
do the half the face thing. But we're just trying
way too hard.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Remember you're walking up the suppery soap when you do that.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
You know what, you know, it's funny. This is what's
really interesting. People who want to bring Michael Jordan into
every conversation are like people who want to bring Jesus
into every conversation, or they people who see Michael Jordan
in his face are like people who see Jesus in
your coffee. They're like, oh my God, I saw Jesus
(23:28):
Christ in my coffee. Look, look there's the hair, there's
the face. That's Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Why you Jesus excuse me.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
It's a pretty good line. Though on a piece of
toast or yeah, Virgin Mary Jesus. Usually what else is
that it?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
I was just thinking of the you just started a
non sequitor, like if the real Jesus Christ were to
stand up today, if you were to return, Uh, half
the world would believe it. Half the world would think
it's a conspiracy theory that's only talked about on Joe
Rogan podcast, and it would be it would be broken
(24:11):
down a political divide. If you voted for Trump, that's
not the real Jesus Christ, and it would just be insane.
I want I kind of want to see it because
nobody would believe it. People think half the people think
everything is bullshit in our new world.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Correct, maybe everything is bullshit. I think the sports betting thing,
sports betting and how it's just it's like I mean
in my son, by the way, he does a thing
where it's like all on credit, so it's like fake
money whatever, but it's it's definitely grooming him for a
(24:53):
lifetime of betting on sports.
Speaker 9 (24:55):
As a.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Why are we doing this? I do.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Because we can. We got too good piece of sound.
By now I'm guessing you've seen this because it went viral.
Luka Doncik was beginning his postgame press conference when this happened.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
And just how sharing the ball and our energy was great.
Speaker 10 (25:20):
What do you think, Okay, Okay, moving on, that's not life.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
What do we think that? Do we think that was
two people? Do we think that was somebody on their laptop?
Do we think that was somebody goofing?
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I think that one one tweet I saw, I think
nailed it. I think it's somebody had their phone on
their Bluetooth to their their hearing device on their air
pods or whatever, and the Bluetooth cut out or he
turned it on not thinking that the Bluetooth was off,
(26:09):
and it was his phone and porn for the entire
room to hear. I love that theory.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Okay, had it on his phone?
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Huh huh. That's a complex theory, but not out of reach.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
No, not crazy.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
I've yet to hear an explanation otherwise.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
I haven't heard any real explanation. That's just a theory
or a hypothesis. We have one more really good piece
of sound. This is Julian Edelman on the Herd yesterday pension.
Speaker 9 (26:45):
In that room, though it was it was real head cut,
it was very real.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
It was.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
I was so awkward.
Speaker 9 (26:52):
I was like, I was watching coach and I tried
to give coach a heads up. I'm like, I see
craft walk in my coach, you know, like you this
locker room ship like five oh five oh, you know like.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
He did.
Speaker 9 (27:07):
Of course he didn't fucking see it, right, And he
came in and I was just like, oh shit, this
could be fireworks.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
I just walked away.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
It's amazing, amazing. The five oh thing is so good,
right like that? People, have you ever heard that like
in a locker room or did you ever do that
when you're in school where the teacher came up like
fie oh fie oh? How long? How old were you
when you figured out what five O was?
Speaker 4 (27:36):
I think it was boys on the Hood, right, boys.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
In the hood? Well, I mean Hawaii five oh was
I was born. My mom went into labor and my
dad's like, hey, can we wait till the end of
Hawaii five oh before I take you to the hospital?
Real story.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
He was the Rudy Gobert of his time. Yes, oh no,
the anti Go Bear and that to Go Beart.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Why can we play it for you because we can't
skip rop pick of the.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Day Okay, sir, the bet is to you.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Call in baby.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
It's time for the Pick of the day.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Pick of the Day comes from the NBA Boys that
Pacers are a seven and a half point favorite. Hekes,
Minnesota is a three and a half point favorite. I
think the Nuggets win tonight. I think the Nuggets win tonight.
Nuggets are three and a half point favorites, the three
and a half point dogs. Nuggets on the road with
the W. That's the bick. Have yourself a great weekend.
(28:29):
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