February 4, 2025 • 46 mins
On this edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show Doug reacts to comments made by Luka Doncic as he was officially announced as the newest member of the Los Angeles Lakers.
Doug and the crew react to Tom Brady's comments on the Chiefs and whether or not we should appreciate the greatness and the excellence of them potentially winning three championships in a row.
Doug welcomes Cowboys Brandon Aubrey and Zack Martin to the show to talk about their new head coach, the season and what they are doing with Bounty. P
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And we'll continue to bring you guests live from New Orleans, Louisiana.
Zach Martin's gonna join us. We got a may we
got a lot of different stuff. Oh, we got buyer's remorse.
Thomas to Mitschew will join us. Former Gentlem manager of
the Atlanta Falcons. There's a guy who built up a
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team that went to a Super Bowl, had the biggest
lead twenty eight to three, then suffered the biggest collapse
in the history.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Of Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
But we'll talk to him about the Eagles losing a
Super Bowl and the Chiefs winning Super Bowls. Then we're
even losing them coming back and continue to be consistent.
How hard is that in comparison to building It A
lot of good stuff to get to, but the story
the sports world continues to be Luka Doncik is now
a Laker, is now a Laker. Luca had a press
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conference today, he alongside Rob Polinka. Look, Rob Polinka is
a friend. His wife had been when when we were
living close to them Southern California's wife had been my
kid's pediatrician. She's awesome. But I gotta say that was
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a very la jacket. Either I'm really really really not
feeling the vibe or not him up or maybe that
jacket wasn't it. What do you think, Jay Stu? Because
that was a he had like black I guess the
best term from be like slacks, and then he had
a gray leather jacket, but it felt like it was
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too small.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Well, first and foremost, I wouldn't doubt if the outfit
cost ten thousand dollars. I'm always I'm always interested to
see what really rich guys wear they choose to wear.
Steve Bomber is one case on one end of the
spectrum with his khakis and button down, and then there's
Rob Powenka. But there's this like it's almost like he's
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about to walk onto a European runway and do some
modeling with this very tight euro jacket. It was actually
pretty off putting, and it shows me how skinny the
guy is too. He weighs like ninety pounds.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Wait wait it was off putting. Why because he's skinny
or because you just didn't like it?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Just the form fitting leather over the black V neck
shirt that was offending my sensibilities.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, there's a lot going on there that was really interesting.
Uh what's what's maybe more interesting is and obviously he's
made a ton of money, not just being GMA and
a Lakers but agent for the stars, including the late
Great Kobe Bryant. Uh. But I mean he and his
wife couldn't be in like real life, nicer people and
more humble people. But that was a damn. I make
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a lot of money. I got a lot of money
sort of sort of look, wasn't it? And it's it's
just weird, whereas like Luca, I mean, you feel like
that guy would always be in sweats if need to
be used in some kind of sweater and some and
some genes, which which also, by the way, works in LA.
One of the things about LA I think people don't
realize is you can, in fact dress how you want,
Like if you want to go designer stuff, you can,
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but a sweatshirt and some sweats are always fine.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Truly is.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Here's Luca on being a Laker, especially with this prior
relationship to Kobe.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I'm very happy to be here for his opportunity. He's
the Lakers. It's one of the best clubs in history.
So I'm excited to be here. I remember the exact
moment that I happened. It was an amazing moment. Just
for Kobe to know my name was amazing for me.
You know, I just wish Cobe and did you were
here to see this moment. And you know, I'm excited
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about this new journey and happy to be here.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Let's get to this.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
This is Luca addressing the talk about his conditioning when
he was with the Mavericks.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
It's a motive.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
I know it's not true, but it's a motive, Like
I said, you know, I came here one of the
biggest clubs in history of sports, so it's a big
motive for a long, long run here.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah, okay, So he's motivated, right, He's motivated to show people.
And I guess, like, look, that's awesome. I'll shoot a
couple things down. And I know he said he'll learn
a lot from Lebron, But you're not going to learn
a lot from Lebron in terms of fitness and diet,
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you know, and work ethic. I mean, Luca, obviously, you
don't become that great a basketb play unless you like
to work at it. But in terms of diet, I
mean you could say, hey, Anthony Davis didn't take care
of himself. It took Hi about three years to figure
it out. Luca is not going to have that long
with co with Lebron, probably a year and a half. Right,
feels like next year becomes the Swan Song, the tour
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where he collects all the gifts and then he bows
out and goes off into the sunset. But I find
the whole thing to be interesting, and I don't know
a lot of people have different takeaways to it. The
Lakers getting their next superstar is an easy takeaway. Dallas
trying to get better defensively and win now is a
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smart and easy takeaway. I think Nico Harrison, whether you
want to say, going rogue or this was his vision
and this was his belief and this was all his doing,
is essentially what this became about. Don't believe me. Here's
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here's Rob Blinka talking about how the trade went down.
We'll get to that in a second. Rob talked about how,
you know, like Nico said, it really was Nico Harrison
pushing this deal and Nico Harrison and again, does it
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mean it's completely factually true that he didn't talk to
Jason Kidd about it, that it was done kind of
only with one or two calls in terms of teams.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I don't know. I can only take him at his word.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
But this is Nico Harrison putting himself on that island saying, hey,
guess what, I truly believe that this is the right
move for our club, like Nico and Nico alone, which
is bold. And no one does that anymore. Who does that,
whoever says the buck stops here? No one. Leaders don't
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do that in politics, you know, they'll go like yep,
I did that. Here's here's Rob Polinka talking about the
trade going down.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
This all started with the coffee in Dallas, where Nico
approached us with the concept. And because there was a
partnership and a history of traveling the world between Nico
and myself working around Kobe Bryant, there was a fabric
of trust in the discussions.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
There's a fabric of trust in the discussions. Hey, look,
as I trusted Nico, he trusted me. I wasn't going
to share it. We thought he was crazy, and then
he ended up wanting to pull off the deal. Look,
it's it's really simple. Either he knows that you.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Can't win or function long term.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
At a at a high level with Luka Doncic, or
he miscalculated and he'll be out of a job. That's
kind of it, is it? This is not one of those,
And I understand that the truth lies in the gray area. Right,
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the Mavericks don't go to another NBA Finals, it doesn't
mean this was a bad move. If the Mavericks truly
are competitive and they're able to balance their books and
they don't get lopped into the three hundred and fifty
million dollars payroll. And again like even with this deal
the Lakers, they can't give him the supermax. They can't
by rule. Now there's a way in which you can
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kind of manipulate it. He'll still make close to same
money and all the Nike money, endorsement of money and whatever.
But this is one where I think the Mavericks think
they can be more consistent, more competitive, more often than
they could if they had Luca. And though we should
judge by the Lakers and judge by Lucas's success, is
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that it would look far different Luca's time with Dallas
as opposed to Luca's time with the Lakers, because had
he stayed with Dallas, he would have signed a three
hundred fifty million dollar extension which would have been not
next year, but the following year would have gone into effect.
And then it would dramatically affected how they could have
how they could manipulate within the cap. But everyone's going
to judge it based upon what happens this year. Unfairly,
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so everyone's going to judge based upon this year.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Don't believe me. I give you Saquon Barkley, right.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
The argument against signing Saquon Barkley was not over how
much he was going to make this year, or how
much any of these guys were going to make this year.
Remember the argument last offseason, not this passed offseason, off
season before, where all of these running backs got together
hopped on the phone like.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
This isn't right.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
It was over did they deserve a three year guaranteed
contract at upwards of twelve, thirteen, fourteen to fifteen million dollars.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
That was the argument.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
And so the reality is that the Giants will be
proven right or wrong, just like the Raiders will be
proven right or wrong based upon what happens at the
running back position next year, in the following year in
Green Bay and in Philadelphia, and there are other teams
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like this that's real. But in perception, it's gonna be
about this year. And that's where Dallas can absolutely win
kind of the hearts and minds in this trade, because
for the Lakers, this is a white flag. We weren't
winning anything this season. Anyway, Let's not kid ourselves. They
may go get a Mitchell Robinson and they may go
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get somebody else to protect the rim and act like
they can really compete, But the reality is that that's
just not a championship roster. And I don't think anybody
would truly argue with you. But with Luca, the thought
is for the next five six years. I mean, Rob
Polinka is sitting pretty They can just hey, I'm just
putting together a new roster and this year didn't work.
Next year all right, Then after Lebron's gone, it's a
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whole new team. It's Lucas team. We put the team
around him. Same thing could be said for you know,
for Eagles, Giants, Raiders, anybody who's had acquired or got
rid of a star running back who wanted a three year,
guaranteed deal or more. My takeaway for the deal is
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that the reason it seems so different than other deals
is this is how trades used to be done, and frankly,
this is how trades mostly should be done. And that
you have the NBA, which has become a player driven league. Heck,
even de Aaron Fox, right, Anthony Davis, Remember Anthony Davis
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is a member of the New Orleans Hornets he or Pelicans,
I don't remember which they were when he was traded,
and he wanted out, but he only wanted to play
for the Lakers, and so there's a long drawn out saga.
They couldn't trade from one season, they waited to the offseason.
Finally they got it done. They gave most of the
kitchen sing for him. The same could be said for
Dearn Fox, who a week week and a half ago
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said I want out of Sacramento. Now he's in San
Antonio again. Players forcing their way out of their current situation,
which is what Miles Garrett's trying to do in Cleveland.
But this is a trade to where like it isn't
about what the player want to do, It's about what
we want to do for our franchise. It's bold, it's unique,
and credit Nico Harrison. He's taking it on as if
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it's his and his IDLO.
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of other radio interviews. I get asked about this all
the time, and obviously I'm fully aware that my college
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basketball team people would not be asking us about the
consistency of excellence because we just have not accomplished that yet.
But it's interesting on how many people like to promote
the idea that we hate, that everybody hates the Chiefs,
hates the Chiefs. Let's just do this, Okay, We're all
on different levels of educated supports fans, Dan Byer, are
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you tired overdone with the Chiefs? Yes, Okay, I'll come
back in one second. Jase, do I know you are not?
You are rooting for excellence. You want greatness back to
back to back titles. That's something you have made very
clear since day one of the season.
Speaker 8 (14:13):
Am I correct confirm that? Yep?
Speaker 5 (14:14):
I confirm?
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Sam, Where are you on the Chiefs over or rooting.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
For Oh, I'm over them.
Speaker 9 (14:20):
I'm all, I'm one hundred percent Eagles, Baby, let's go.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Okay, I'll give my I'm in awe. I feel like
this is so many topics in which I'm supposed to
be this dude who sits there and goes yes or no,
or in or out or over or four and I'm
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just I'm just enjoying the whole thing. One of the
issues I have in terms of rooting against the Chiefs
is that the Eagles are on the other side, right,
I mean, this is and I don't know any of
the players have any bad but pause. I hate the
Eagles fans. They are the most obnoxious group I have
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ever found in creation. Like Raider fans, think Eagle fans
are a little over the top. It's reality to it. Yeah.
I also not a huge fan of Sirianni, not just
because of the WWE character act, but just because I
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do think it's an act.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I do.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I don't think that's who he really is. I could
be wrong. I don't think that's who he is. I
think when he goes home, he's probably a completely different dude.
And that performative acting thing I'm just not I'm not
into it. So what happens with the Chiefs is, Yeah,
I've been a Charger fan forever, and yeah, like anybody
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who watches the NFL is like, why did the Chiefs
get away withholding every game? Now, keep in mind, I
don't watch my own guys to see if they get
away withholding.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I don't, but I do watch the Chiefs that I
feel like it.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
So to say that I'm over it would be an overstatement,
But to say that I'm rooting for them not really.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
What I do want.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
What I do wish is that people understand this may
be siding with you, Jase two is at some point
during greatness, can we recognize greatness? Pat Mahomes is an
amazing football player, and we can give credit to Andy Reid,
But Andy Reid was the coach of the Chiefs before
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they got Pat Mahomes, and then he can sniff anywhere
near a Super Bowl. They had the same problem all
the Chiefs teams had, which was they would lose early
in the playoffs, usually at home, by the way. But
there are lots of people who are over them. This
damn over them, and I get it. If you grew
up in southern California, like I did Rick D's in
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the morning, tell us what time it is, and tell
us what the climate is. But you would hear I
remember summer after second grade, Borderline was on all the time.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
You everber Madonna? Boardline? Was that like our first big song.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I think Holiday was the first single off that debut album,
but Borderline was the was the third single. Like a
Star I think was the second single in nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah, so I remember, And how'd I do with my age?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
There? Let's hear eighty three? Probably this is probably makes
his summer of eighty four. I was, Yeah, eighty three,
eighty four, that's about right, big second grade, third grade.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I remember.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
There's an old high school basketball coach for a long
time named Wayne Marino. He used to pick up me
and my brother and we go to a modern day
camp in the morning in a Fountain Valley high school
basketball camp in the afternoon, and I would sit in
the back of his the small Toyota remember the small
Toyota pickup trucks. What are they called? I just I
think they were just called a Toyota truck, right, Those
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are the ones that people would peel off some of
the letters and would say, toy on the back, you
guys remember those? And it had a what are the
covers called? What's they called a camper like a camper shell?
Is that what's called? Anyway, he would blast rick these
in the morning. When we go to modern day camp,
we come out and Borderline would be on again, and
by like the end of summer, Like, if I hear
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Madonna one more time, I'm going to hurt somebody. That's
I think where we are with the Chiefs. Well, Tom
Brady was calling the game for Fox, had this to
say about people who are over the Chiefs.
Speaker 10 (18:42):
Well, I'm broadcasting the game, so I don't really have
a rooting interest, per se. The one thing I root
for in these situations are great games. I will say,
if the Chiefs win, I will be very happy for them.
I mean, what they've achieved is unmatched. And I think
that's cool because people always hated on us for so
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many years, and I didn't understand it because all I
did was like, we try to do things the right way.
We try to go out there and compete for our
job and win, and like there's an excellence that I
appreciate about people who are doing other things that really
high levels because you understand the commitment that it takes
for them to do what they're doing and like to
be in this country and to not cheer for excellence
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is beyond me.
Speaker 8 (19:27):
Like I think.
Speaker 10 (19:28):
It's it's incredible to see this team withstand all the
adversities they faced over the course of not just this
season or last season the year before. They just plowed on.
Nothing's that distracted them. They've just continued to push forward
and win a lot of games. And you know it's
going to be a terrific game because there's a lot
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on the line for both teams.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yeah, he went cliche at the end, you know, but
the point is that you root for excellence. Dan, Why
do you dislike are over the.
Speaker 9 (19:59):
G It's just the constant seeing the Chiefs in the
Super Bowl. We've had one breather with the Bengals. I
was excited when the Chiefs went to Super Bowl fifty
four and we're playing the forty nine ers in Miami.
It was neat seeing the Chiefs end zone. You know
how much I love the end zones, and now I'm
sick of seeing the big yellow end zone with the
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red riding if they even did it red with the
yellow riding. I actually may feel a little different about it,
but I just I even look back at the Brady years,
and at least early on, there was a mix. It
wasn't Brady every single year. And that's what it now
feels like with the Chiefs, where you had Brady and
thirty six, thirty eight and thirty nine in those Super Bowls,
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but then you had Super Bowl forty and the Steelers
come in. Manning goes super Bowl forty one. The Brady
comes back in forty two, but then it's Roethlisberger and Manning.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
After that there was some movement.
Speaker 9 (20:56):
So those games were even exciting in the AFC because
you're like, all right, who's going to get the better
of who.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
This time around?
Speaker 9 (21:02):
And I just feel like this has just been constant Chiefs,
constant Chiefs. Outside of last year. They're always at home.
It's just the same thing over and over, and I
like the change. I didn't like it back when the
Bills made it to four straight Super Bowls. I wanted
them to win one of them, but it was all right,
here we go Bills again. It's not that I cheered
for the Cowboys. It just got after a while, it
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was just let's do something different.
Speaker 8 (21:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
It is really fascinating, fascinating how we get so accustomed
to teams and like the Chiefs hadn't been the super
Bowl since well super Bowl one or two, like it had.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
Been super Bowl four just fifty years, right, and.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yet now we're like, oh, they're always there. They're like
they're like.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Simpsons reruns or Seinfeld reruns around every night. Like yeah,
I don't know, Like for my entire lifetime, can't say
would always get to the playoffs, lose early, Marty Ball,
always lose her.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Always always always, so.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
It is fast. Now here's the big question. Or I
guess to some people doesn't affect the ratings. And my
thing is, like, why would it affect the ratings? Who
doesn't watch the super Bowl? Like you said there go like,
you know, I was gonna watch the super Bowl, which
normally my team isn't in, but because it's the Chiefs again,
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I won't watch the super Bowl? Like is that really
a cognitive decision that we have.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
I think that there are fans that do feel that way.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I don't think there's a single person that's an actual
fan that feels that way. I really don't. I think
there are people that feel that way. But there's two
types of things. One they're probably not really a fan
and they're just kind of come up with excuse. Or Two,
they're still gonna watch the game. They're just gonna say
they didn't correct that.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Second one, they're definitely watching the game, and they if
they say that it's complete bis that they're actually gonna
watch it. But I think the fan thing I understand.
I like, my son lives and dies with the Chargers.
He can't root for the Chiefs. I understand that. But
the three of us, four of us have a combined
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like one hundred years of radio experience.
Speaker 8 (23:14):
We have one hundred years of radio experience.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
And like, if you're a listener and you're like that
sounds like he's just exaggerating. That does not hyperbole. Combine,
we have one hundred years of radio experience, we have
a chance to see and in Dan's case, cover, something
that's never been done in the history of the most
popular league in our country. I don't know why you
would be against that, Like to me that that's like
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I want to be I want to be able to
tell my grandkids, Yeah, I was there, for the Chiefs
when they won three in a row. I remember those
That doesn't appeal to you, guys.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Do you really think you're going to tell your grandkids
you were there for the Chiefs? Like, do you think
that's gonna be a question? Grandpa, Grandpa? Were you there
for the Chiefs when they won their three Super Bowls
in a row?
Speaker 8 (24:00):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Kids, I remember it was a sunny day in southern
California and I was sitting on my couch and sink
Clarita and the Chiefs and Patmo Like, that's not really
gonna happen anyway, Sorry, go ahead, How.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
Do you think that?
Speaker 9 (24:14):
Like, as time goes on, we look back at it
and have an appreciation of it, But as it's going on,
I just don't think that that's the mindset of a
football fans in it. I don't understiate I think someone
else's greatness.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yes, no, No, we can't appreciate them until they're gone.
And then they're gone, they're like, whoa, he was awesome.
You know, it becomes a really weird thing. I'm the opposite.
I appreciate those guys in real time. I think he's
as good as anybody I've ever seen play football and
the results are ridiculous, And yeah, do I get a.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Little bit bored by it?
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Sure, I get bored by it, But I get bored
by lots of stuff, right, I just do. And as
much as you want something new and different, it's like
with the Rams and Bengals, which, by the way, you're
asking my favorite games, that was one of my favorite games.
Like the Rams had nobody and the game winning drive
was Matt Stafford to Cooper Cup. Matt Stafford to Cooper Cup.
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Matt Stafford like he was open all the time, and
it didn't make any sense. It was a really close game.
Not a great well played game, but a really close
game of two likely Hall of Fame quarterbacks. And yet
I can't say that it was any different than the
Chiefs and the Eagles time one or any of these
other Chiefs Super Bowls.
Speaker 9 (25:35):
Yeah, it was a good game. Aaron Donald makes the
play at the end. I think this is him. I've
brought this up on the show before. It's the question
as well about the NFL. When we talk about the
Chiefs and we talk about the Patriots, do we give
them more credit because they were figured they figured out
a way to succeed in a league that is just
riddled with what we consider parody, where everything do we
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appreciate them more because of the NFL bending over backwards
to try to make every team the same or at
least on the level playing field, or do we look
at it in the opposite way in saying, well, yeah,
because everybody else's average, they've just figured out a way
to gain the system. I'm with the truly great teams
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again back in the eighties, and we talked about this
with the rushing record of now, when everybody's trying to
stop a quarterback, I think it's easier for a running
back when your defensive ends are only two hundred and
fifty pounds for your offensive line to be able to
run against. So when you're going up against better defenses
in the eighties that we're really designed to stop the run,
are those records more impressive than they are now? Rushing wise, yes,
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legacy wise, with parody, I still don't know the answer.
Still trying to determine is our Andy Reid and Bill
Belichick just even better than we think because they figured
out a way to succeed in a league that wants
everybody to be the same.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
That's actually great question. It's asks you a great question.
I think it is.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
To me.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
The answer is that they're great coaches that have all
time great quarterbacks. It's like the this is I was
thinking about this, I think for you, Like middle of
the night, I woke up, like, you know, what do
you talk about Super Week? And I was thinking about that, Like,
how do you explain that Andy Reid was always a
really good coach and they kept getting the NFC Championship game,
they got to one super Bowl in Philadelphia with now
(27:28):
you can't keep out of the super Bowl, Like, what's
the difference is Pat Mahomes?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
And I was thinking it's.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
A lot like great hitters in the nineties and two thousands,
where why was Barry Bonds the greatest of the steroid
era hitters? Well, he was already a Hall of Fame player.
Then you give him steroids, and now he's the greatest
hitter anyone's ever seen. Right, Bill Belichick and Andy Reid
(27:55):
great coaches. Now you give them two of the greatest
quarterbacks of all time, and it's like giving them steroids,
they're better than anybody who've ever seen. Yeah, did that work?
Speaker 5 (28:06):
I think it's one way of looking at it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
I mean if you said it kind of makes sense,
then that works for me. That's good enough for me.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
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Used to be Media Day and then it was Media Night,
that it's Opening Night. Travis Kelcey asked the media if
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he could ask one question, and here's what it was.
Speaker 7 (28:48):
If I could ask the media one question, why are
you guys leaning into this whole ref thing?
Speaker 8 (28:54):
You know what I mean? Like, why are you guys
leaning into it?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
That's all I got though, give you the answer because
suddenly conspiracy theories are cool, That's what it is.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I mean, Look, the officiating is crummy. I can tell you.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
As a college basketball coach, It's like when you sit
there and watch, you're like, man, it does feel very
personal to you, right, That's like just the reality to it.
It does feel very personal to you. And then you
step back and you talk to other coaches like, yeah,
it was bad. Here as bad, there as bad. You know,
we hold guys to a way higher stated than the
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reality is. It's just officiating is not that easy. Guys
do make mistakes.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I can't explain how that wasn't a first down for
the Buffalo Bills. I can't. And even the most ardent
Kansas City Chiefs fan they'd be like, well, you couldn't
see the ball, Like, okay, dude, was it a first time?
Speaker 8 (29:45):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, but you couldn't see the ball? Okay? But why
why is the media running with it? Because the media
is nothing.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
More than fans with more access, and somehow conspiracy theories
have beencome really cool. I'll tell you what's really cool.
Bounty leather jacket, Bounty letterman jackets. That's what it is.
That's that's really cool. Why do I say that because
seven time All Pro guard Zach Martin and Brandon Aubrey
(30:17):
is a Pro Bowl kicker, are both joining us on
behalf of Bounty and they have these really cool bounty
letterman jackets.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Zach, I know you've.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Done a lot of things, man, Yeah, I know you've
done a lot of things in your life. Notre Dame
Dallas Cowboys. But what's it like to wear the bee.
Speaker 8 (30:33):
Not a star? Hey, it's pretty comfortable. Man. We're here.
We're here with bounty this week.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (30:38):
You know, obviously you can't have football without wings and
wings without uh without bounty. So we're here making sure
everyone's cleaned up on game day.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Brandon, how about you?
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Uh, you know, making the Pro Bowls one thing, but
being a bounty boy that's a whole other other level
of success.
Speaker 12 (30:53):
Absolutely takes me to that next level. You know, thousands, millions,
billions of wings are non Super Bowl so day, so
it just makes sense to keep yourself clean with some bounty.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
All right, let's work backwards, Zach Martin that offensive line
room when you sit, when they go, hey, lineman, what
wings do you want?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
What's your order?
Speaker 8 (31:12):
I'm a flats I'm going flat, definitely, definitely right. If
you people saying you're different, if you're a flats guy,
That's what I've been told all day today.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
What's different? But you like what you like?
Speaker 8 (31:25):
Right exactly? What FLA flats with branch, flat branch.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
So regular like regular buffalo sauce.
Speaker 8 (31:31):
Yeah, my old garlic, spicy garlic was my go to.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah, but what about what about kickers? Brandon, I'm thinking
forking knife for your wings.
Speaker 12 (31:40):
That's keep my hands clean and prissy. I'll dig in
there whatever whatever is in the locker room. You know,
kicker is usually not the highest paid position in the
locker room, so I'm usually just eating one other people
bring in.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
That's uh, that's fair enough, Zach, I gotta ask you.
Being a cowboy, what are your thoughts on Luca now
being a Laker.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 11 (31:59):
Like I I've been at a couple times a day,
and like I'm not a huge basketball fan, NBA fan,
but it is. It is crazy when you have got
a guy who's the face of your franchise and really
the face of the city shipped off for you know,
hopefully it works out, but it's hard to see right now.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah, it really is, Brandon. I gotta I gotta ask you.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Okay, so we're getting ready for the super Bowl. The
highest pressure kick you've ever kicked? Again, they're not all
the same. It doesn't necessarily mean what was accomplished on
the kick?
Speaker 2 (32:33):
For you? What what kick did you feel the most
pressure kicking?
Speaker 12 (32:37):
Yeah, I'd say my first kick in training camp in
front of the team in Dallas. Well, I guess it
was auction hard. But before the practice, Jerry Jones came
up to me and Tristan who's the other kicker there,
and just introduced himself and said, for lack of a
better word, don't screw this up. There's a little less
PG than that. But told us there's a lot of
guys out here watching you, and he came out here
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just to watch you guys. And but then he said,
just I'm just messing with you. Go out there and
enjoy it and have fun. And you guys both belong here.
But absolutely the time you're going in front of a
new team, it's at the NFL level, it's a new thing.
It's the dream I've been chasing. Here's my opportunity. And
I'd say that first kick was definitely the most pressure
I felt.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
It's interesting you bring that up because and Zach, I
know you watched the college football playoff, Brandon, I'm watching
Texas play I think.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
It was Georgia.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
And Steve Sarkijian like grabs his kicker and like you know,
gives them like a believe in you whatever for you?
Is it better if somebody grabs you and gives you, hey,
I believe in you, or just leave me alone.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
I'm doing my thing.
Speaker 12 (33:40):
Leave leave the guy alone. Poor the poor kid needs
to go through his process, needs to do. Focus on
the things that he needs to focus on. It doesn't
need someone else's voice in his head. When he's going
out there to kick kick a ball. He already realizes
that the moment's a big moment. So he's got to
process that, get it out of his brain, and then
focus on what it takes to kick a ball. That's
that's all he needs. He doesn't need to coach literally
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reminding him right before he goes out and kick it.
This is a big kick.
Speaker 8 (34:06):
You don't need that.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, No, it's it's like the it's like in Little League.
And you guys don't have kids that are old enough
yet for Little League. But like in Little League, like
my parents that are coaches sometimes like, well, just just
throw a strike, like you know the kids trying to throw.
That's not actually helping the matter at all. Just throw
a strike, Jimmy doesn't really totally help. All right, I'll
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ask you guys. Let me start with use zach coaching.
Change with the Dallas Cowboys. What's your reaction to the move?
Speaker 8 (34:36):
Yeah, I'm fired up.
Speaker 11 (34:37):
I mean, I know a lot of people are, you know,
scratching their heads a little bit, but you know, Shot,
he's been in the building for the last three years,
and you know, I'm I'm just pumped for his opportunity
to get in get in there and get after it.
And you know, he's done a great job in the
role that he was in, and you know, I think
he'll do a.
Speaker 8 (34:53):
Great job in the role he's going to. He's a
relationship guy.
Speaker 11 (34:55):
He's all about the relationships and building that that tight
knit football team, and I think that's first and foremost
on his list of kind of what to do there.
Speaker 8 (35:02):
So I'm excited for you know what he brings to
our team.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Man, the same question to you.
Speaker 12 (35:07):
Yeah, And to go off of what Zach said, the
guys in the locker room that I've worked closely with
him on the offensive side, I absolutely love him. They're
excited for him. He deserves an opportunity. He's been looking
for an opportunity to be head coach for a long time.
And obviously the process of the Cowboys just about anything
you talk about is different than the rest of the league,
so I can't really fault them for not following the
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process that other teams might have or that the media
thinks they should. So Jerry's done a really good job
picking head coaches. In the past, We've had a lot
of success here with head coaches, and if he thinks
shot he's the guy for the job, I'm clined to
believe him. He's done a good job picking, so I'm
excited to work with him and work for him.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Zach Notre Dame losing in the National Championship game, right,
but again getting there and so oftentimes in the past
people who dislike the Dome or like they don't belong
among college football's lead. But by winning two games to
get there proved that, the at least to me, proved
that the program is on a different level than previously.
(36:10):
As in a lum what's your kind of thirty thousand
foote what's going on South Bend?
Speaker 11 (36:15):
You know, I went to the game, and being at
the game, I think they've definitely closed the gap. You know,
I don't think they're all the way there, but it
just felt different. You know, I played in the last
National champions of game and we got steamrolled by Alabama
and just watching the game, it didn't feel like we
were that far off. So I think they've definitely closed
the gap up there, and I think Marcus and his
staff have done a great job of recruiting, and I
think they'll definitely be back in the mix, you know,
(36:38):
for years to come. So you know, there's a lot
of excitement around South Bend right now.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah, it's crazy that people are now rooting for no
supposed to.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
When you were there, everybody hated on Notre Dame.
Speaker 8 (36:48):
Oh it Freeman makes us likable, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yeah, so I've been said, hey, listen, I'm the half
Fox Sports Ready. We appreciate Bounty having you guys on.
Keep those jackets wearing with Bride. Don't get anything on them, right,
that would be really bad if you got something on
on them.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Thanks for joining us, guys. We appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (37:04):
Yeah, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
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Speaker 2 (37:32):
Man, there's a lot to ingest there there.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Dan, It's it is weird to have this NBA movement
in NBA story. And here's how big the NBA story is.
We hadn't even paid attention to any of the other deals,
not that there's gargantien deals. But Darren Fox is a
big deal to san Antonio. That's a big deal to
san Antonio putting another all star level guard with Victor
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webin Yama. The rebuilding of the San Antonio Spurst is
not complete, but that's a big step. That's a big
step for them. It feels like they're one more big
step away, doesn't it. I mean one more like get
one more sort of dude away. They have all those picks,
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they have some young guys probably a year away from
wembin Yama, you know, being in that top I don't
know whatever, in the NBA category.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
You know, it's weird. It's like the Lakers, I.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Think personally punted on competing for a championship, not that
they were going to compete for a championship anyway, but
I think it's really really unlikely they do now. Dallas
put themselves Okay, defensively, they should be as good as anybody.
Still think they need a point guard, but they're more
short term. San Antonio I think may have changed the
landscape of the West in the long term more with their.
Speaker 9 (38:52):
Move, absolutely, But I want to go back to something
you said, and this is something that you said off
the top, and I had this note in the update
about the Mavericks fans, and I think that's what's so
intriguing about this about this trade is I just don't
think it's about championships. I don't think it's about winning,
(39:14):
whether it be this year or whether it be for
years to come. At some point it probably will be,
but I honestly don't know if there's a time that
Dallas is ever going to get over this, and it
may be a long long time, and there always may
be this part of that sporting community that gets past
this deal. And the reason that I say that on
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the heels of what you're saying with the Spurs is
I thought there are three players in the NBA that
no matter what, they're not tradeable, they're not movable, they
are just they're not going anywhere for myriad of reasons,
but one of them is the tie to the community
or what it would do to the fan base and
what it would do to the city. I think Jokich
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is one of them in Denver. I think wenbin Yama
and San Antonio just for future greatness, and I felt
Luca was the other in Dallas. And that's what's you know,
that's what's so shocking about this sort of thing. And
you're probably right because now the Spurs are set up
where there'd be no reason for Victor webbin Yama to
be to be dealt at any point, not that he
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would even be in that conversation, but yet, to me,
it's just like, even if the MAVs are are winning,
and I think why, guessing from how you've handled this
trade over the last couple of days, is you feel
that the Mavericks are in a better position, but yet
fans are turning in their season tickets.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
That's crazy, It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
I can't but fans, and look, I think it's a
really bold move by Nico Harrison. I would also say
that I wouldn't have done the move. Oh, I would
not have. I think there are other things he could
have done, and we don't know the day to day,
but it's like if the if the thought was, hey,
we can't get him to play defense, and we can't
get him to get in shape, and he's just a
(40:57):
lot it's hard to coach, and we're just better off.
And remember Nico Harrison's glimpse into the NBA and whatever
you want to think about his background at Nike, like
he worked hand in hand with Kobe, and those guys
that are Kobe guys, they that is the only the
only way to do it is the Kobe way, and
that's not Luca's way. Don't get me wrong, I think
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Luca's this may sound sacrilege a better basketball player in
many instances than Kobe. Kobe was difficult to play with,
too difficult to coach, difficult to manage, but he played
both ends and he always always, always took care of
his body. And I would say that's gotta be the
frustration part to where Nico's like, Okay, if we're going
to give him three hundred fifty million dollars guaranteed four years,
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why would he ever get in shape If he doesn't
get in shape. Now, why would he ever play defense
if he doesn't play defense? Now, why would he be
more coachable? If he is not coachable? Now? Again, I
think there's other ways in which you can do it,
you know, I think you can leak your frustration. I
think you can. You can have you know, it's not
nicari about have meetings. It's about having the right people
on the staff on the team to get him right.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
And maybe they tried all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
I don't know. We won't know until you know the
book comes out or the mini series comes out or whatever.
But I also will tell you that like fans immediate reactions,
that doesn't I mean, that doesn't, that doesn't agree. That
does nothing for me.
Speaker 5 (42:19):
I think yeah, And I think that's why you're missing
the boat on it.
Speaker 9 (42:22):
I think that I think it's a blind spot because
it is.
Speaker 5 (42:26):
It is. I mean, somebody took a.
Speaker 9 (42:28):
Casket to American Airline Center on Sunday, But just the
visual of it, fans are turning in their season tickets
again for a team that is supposedly supposed to be better.
And that's why I like I on my show on Sunday.
I felt that Nico Harrison missed out on the responsibility
of being the Dallas Mavericks general manager when you have Luca.
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And we may disagree on the responsibilities because I think
that there's some people say, win championships and win championships.
Maybe if they win four that changes things. But I
think that they're there's a group of Mavericks fans and
maybe a bigger tingon than we'd like to think, would
rather have Luca on their team because of who he
is and what he is and the type of player
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that they perceive.
Speaker 5 (43:11):
Him to be sure to actually win a championship.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Listen, that's fair. But nowhere on Earth, Okay, nowhere on
Earth has has people staying more, has stayed employed longer
because it's cool, right, It just it hasn't right And
and maybe to your point, like again, this may sound
sacrilegious to people in Dallas, Jerk Novitsky, how many times
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they lose in the first round of the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Just a bunch, But everybody loved Dirk. Everybody loved Dirk.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Right, you can even say the same thing about Steve
Nashy anything like super super popular. Whereas they went, they've
gone to the Dallas Mavericks won an NBA championship one
year with Dirk, but he was surrounded by a Jason
Kidd he was surrounded by but I don't think played
that the year because he got hurt. He was surrounded
by just a tough bunch of dudes because Dirk was
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seen as kind of more of a finesse player and
not really a defender and not really a passer. Now
he closed those games, he won that series, but but
he wasn't seen as a guy who will every year
get you in the running to compete for a championship.
They just weren't. So maybe you're right there. Maybe that's
how Dallas would prefer to role. But I think that
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Nico believes defense wins championships. Defense makes you consistently competitive
at the top of the NBA, especially in the playoffs.
And I still think there's got to be another deal
in it because they got too many big, big dudes,
right with Gafford, with Lively and with Anthony Davis. But man,
good lucks. I mean, Clay is not close to being
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Clay of old, but Clay can still you know, as
the fifth best player in the floor. It can still
defend like that's a really really good defensive team, and
they do have a bunch of scoring pop and they
do have two stars in Anthony Davison and Irving. I
don't know, it's it's gonna be fascinating. I think Dallas
will be better in the short term. I think long term,
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Nico probably didn't get enough. And again, you're just hoping
that if your Nico, that Luca has someonet Lebron in
La sort of superstar, huge numbers and no real lasting
impact in the playoffs, that's what's happened Lebron. We'll see
if that's what happens with Luca. And what you're saying
is people in Dallas would be okay with that if
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they still had Luca. As long as they're in the playoffs,
they lose, whatever, doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
They have Luca.
Speaker 9 (45:34):
Yeah, I think they liked having him. I think they
liked that he was theirs. And at twenty five, that's
the tough part. It's different if he's thirty, and you know,
obviously the feelings would be different if you were further
further along in your career, but at twenty five, he's
still young.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
I mean, listen, listen, it's bold. I'm not gonna lie
like it's a bold Like wait what I thought it
was fake too?
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Everyone I know is like what.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Then you stop and think about like, well, he must
be a real pain that you know what to deal with.
It's the only thing I can think of, and the
weight thing, I think obviously freaks everybody out. Just does
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And we'll continue to bring you guests live from New Orleans, Louisiana.
Zach Martin's gonna join us. We got a may we
got a lot of different stuff. Oh, we got buyer's remorse.
Thomas to Mitschew will join us. Former Gentlem manager of
the Atlanta Falcons. There's a guy who built up a
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team that went to a Super Bowl, had the biggest
lead twenty eight to three, then suffered the biggest collapse
in the history.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Of Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
But we'll talk to him about the Eagles losing a
Super Bowl and the Chiefs winning Super Bowls. Then we're
even losing them coming back and continue to be consistent.
How hard is that in comparison to building It A
lot of good stuff to get to, but the story
the sports world continues to be Luka Doncik is now
a Laker, is now a Laker. Luca had a press
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conference today, he alongside Rob Polinka. Look, Rob Polinka is
a friend. His wife had been when when we were
living close to them Southern California's wife had been my
kid's pediatrician. She's awesome. But I gotta say that was
(01:52):
a very la jacket. Either I'm really really really not
feeling the vibe or not him up or maybe that
jacket wasn't it. What do you think, Jay Stu? Because
that was a he had like black I guess the
best term from be like slacks, and then he had
a gray leather jacket, but it felt like it was
(02:16):
too small.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Well, first and foremost, I wouldn't doubt if the outfit
cost ten thousand dollars. I'm always I'm always interested to
see what really rich guys wear they choose to wear.
Steve Bomber is one case on one end of the
spectrum with his khakis and button down, and then there's
Rob Powenka. But there's this like it's almost like he's
(02:38):
about to walk onto a European runway and do some
modeling with this very tight euro jacket. It was actually
pretty off putting, and it shows me how skinny the
guy is too. He weighs like ninety pounds.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Wait wait it was off putting. Why because he's skinny
or because you just didn't like it?
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Just the form fitting leather over the black V neck
shirt that was offending my sensibilities.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, there's a lot going on there that was really interesting.
Uh what's what's maybe more interesting is and obviously he's
made a ton of money, not just being GMA and
a Lakers but agent for the stars, including the late
Great Kobe Bryant. Uh. But I mean he and his
wife couldn't be in like real life, nicer people and
more humble people. But that was a damn. I make
(03:25):
a lot of money. I got a lot of money
sort of sort of look, wasn't it? And it's it's
just weird, whereas like Luca, I mean, you feel like
that guy would always be in sweats if need to
be used in some kind of sweater and some and
some genes, which which also, by the way, works in LA.
One of the things about LA I think people don't
realize is you can, in fact dress how you want,
Like if you want to go designer stuff, you can,
(03:48):
but a sweatshirt and some sweats are always fine.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Truly is.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Here's Luca on being a Laker, especially with this prior
relationship to Kobe.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I'm very happy to be here for his opportunity. He's
the Lakers. It's one of the best clubs in history.
So I'm excited to be here. I remember the exact
moment that I happened. It was an amazing moment. Just
for Kobe to know my name was amazing for me.
You know, I just wish Cobe and did you were
here to see this moment. And you know, I'm excited
(04:18):
about this new journey and happy to be here.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Let's get to this.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
This is Luca addressing the talk about his conditioning when
he was with the Mavericks.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
It's a motive.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
I know it's not true, but it's a motive, Like
I said, you know, I came here one of the
biggest clubs in history of sports, so it's a big
motive for a long, long run here.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah, okay, So he's motivated, right, He's motivated to show people.
And I guess, like, look, that's awesome. I'll shoot a
couple things down. And I know he said he'll learn
a lot from Lebron, But you're not going to learn
a lot from Lebron in terms of fitness and diet,
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you know, and work ethic. I mean, Luca, obviously, you
don't become that great a basketb play unless you like
to work at it. But in terms of diet, I
mean you could say, hey, Anthony Davis didn't take care
of himself. It took Hi about three years to figure
it out. Luca is not going to have that long
with co with Lebron, probably a year and a half. Right,
feels like next year becomes the Swan Song, the tour
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where he collects all the gifts and then he bows
out and goes off into the sunset. But I find
the whole thing to be interesting, and I don't know
a lot of people have different takeaways to it. The
Lakers getting their next superstar is an easy takeaway. Dallas
trying to get better defensively and win now is a
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smart and easy takeaway. I think Nico Harrison, whether you
want to say, going rogue or this was his vision
and this was his belief and this was all his doing,
is essentially what this became about. Don't believe me. Here's
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here's Rob Blinka talking about how the trade went down.
We'll get to that in a second. Rob talked about how,
you know, like Nico said, it really was Nico Harrison
pushing this deal and Nico Harrison and again, does it
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mean it's completely factually true that he didn't talk to
Jason Kidd about it, that it was done kind of
only with one or two calls in terms of teams.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I don't know. I can only take him at his word.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
But this is Nico Harrison putting himself on that island saying, hey,
guess what, I truly believe that this is the right
move for our club, like Nico and Nico alone, which
is bold. And no one does that anymore. Who does that,
whoever says the buck stops here? No one. Leaders don't
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do that in politics, you know, they'll go like yep,
I did that. Here's here's Rob Polinka talking about the
trade going down.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
This all started with the coffee in Dallas, where Nico
approached us with the concept. And because there was a
partnership and a history of traveling the world between Nico
and myself working around Kobe Bryant, there was a fabric
of trust in the discussions.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
There's a fabric of trust in the discussions. Hey, look,
as I trusted Nico, he trusted me. I wasn't going
to share it. We thought he was crazy, and then
he ended up wanting to pull off the deal. Look,
it's it's really simple. Either he knows that you.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Can't win or function long term.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
At a at a high level with Luka Doncic, or
he miscalculated and he'll be out of a job. That's
kind of it, is it? This is not one of those,
And I understand that the truth lies in the gray area. Right,
(08:15):
the Mavericks don't go to another NBA Finals, it doesn't
mean this was a bad move. If the Mavericks truly
are competitive and they're able to balance their books and
they don't get lopped into the three hundred and fifty
million dollars payroll. And again like even with this deal
the Lakers, they can't give him the supermax. They can't
by rule. Now there's a way in which you can
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kind of manipulate it. He'll still make close to same
money and all the Nike money, endorsement of money and whatever.
But this is one where I think the Mavericks think
they can be more consistent, more competitive, more often than
they could if they had Luca. And though we should
judge by the Lakers and judge by Lucas's success, is
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that it would look far different Luca's time with Dallas
as opposed to Luca's time with the Lakers, because had
he stayed with Dallas, he would have signed a three
hundred fifty million dollar extension which would have been not
next year, but the following year would have gone into effect.
And then it would dramatically affected how they could have
how they could manipulate within the cap. But everyone's going
to judge it based upon what happens this year. Unfairly,
(09:24):
so everyone's going to judge based upon this year.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Don't believe me. I give you Saquon Barkley, right.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
The argument against signing Saquon Barkley was not over how
much he was going to make this year, or how
much any of these guys were going to make this year.
Remember the argument last offseason, not this passed offseason, off
season before, where all of these running backs got together
hopped on the phone like.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
This isn't right.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
It was over did they deserve a three year guaranteed
contract at upwards of twelve, thirteen, fourteen to fifteen million dollars.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
That was the argument.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
And so the reality is that the Giants will be
proven right or wrong, just like the Raiders will be
proven right or wrong based upon what happens at the
running back position next year, in the following year in
Green Bay and in Philadelphia, and there are other teams
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like this that's real. But in perception, it's gonna be
about this year. And that's where Dallas can absolutely win
kind of the hearts and minds in this trade, because
for the Lakers, this is a white flag. We weren't
winning anything this season. Anyway, Let's not kid ourselves. They
may go get a Mitchell Robinson and they may go
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get somebody else to protect the rim and act like
they can really compete, But the reality is that that's
just not a championship roster. And I don't think anybody
would truly argue with you. But with Luca, the thought
is for the next five six years. I mean, Rob
Polinka is sitting pretty They can just hey, I'm just
putting together a new roster and this year didn't work.
Next year all right, Then after Lebron's gone, it's a
(11:04):
whole new team. It's Lucas team. We put the team
around him. Same thing could be said for you know,
for Eagles, Giants, Raiders, anybody who's had acquired or got
rid of a star running back who wanted a three year,
guaranteed deal or more. My takeaway for the deal is
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that the reason it seems so different than other deals
is this is how trades used to be done, and frankly,
this is how trades mostly should be done. And that
you have the NBA, which has become a player driven league. Heck,
even de Aaron Fox, right, Anthony Davis, Remember Anthony Davis
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is a member of the New Orleans Hornets he or Pelicans,
I don't remember which they were when he was traded,
and he wanted out, but he only wanted to play
for the Lakers, and so there's a long drawn out saga.
They couldn't trade from one season, they waited to the offseason.
Finally they got it done. They gave most of the
kitchen sing for him. The same could be said for
Dearn Fox, who a week week and a half ago
(12:09):
said I want out of Sacramento. Now he's in San
Antonio again. Players forcing their way out of their current situation,
which is what Miles Garrett's trying to do in Cleveland.
But this is a trade to where like it isn't
about what the player want to do, It's about what
we want to do for our franchise. It's bold, it's unique,
and credit Nico Harrison. He's taking it on as if
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it's his and his IDLO.
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of other radio interviews. I get asked about this all
the time, and obviously I'm fully aware that my college
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basketball team people would not be asking us about the
consistency of excellence because we just have not accomplished that yet.
But it's interesting on how many people like to promote
the idea that we hate, that everybody hates the Chiefs,
hates the Chiefs. Let's just do this, Okay, We're all
on different levels of educated supports fans, Dan Byer, are
(13:56):
you tired overdone with the Chiefs? Yes, Okay, I'll come
back in one second. Jase, do I know you are not?
You are rooting for excellence. You want greatness back to
back to back titles. That's something you have made very
clear since day one of the season.
Speaker 8 (14:13):
Am I correct confirm that? Yep?
Speaker 5 (14:14):
I confirm?
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Sam, Where are you on the Chiefs over or rooting.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
For Oh, I'm over them.
Speaker 9 (14:20):
I'm all, I'm one hundred percent Eagles, Baby, let's go.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Okay, I'll give my I'm in awe. I feel like
this is so many topics in which I'm supposed to
be this dude who sits there and goes yes or no,
or in or out or over or four and I'm
(14:44):
just I'm just enjoying the whole thing. One of the
issues I have in terms of rooting against the Chiefs
is that the Eagles are on the other side, right,
I mean, this is and I don't know any of
the players have any bad but pause. I hate the
Eagles fans. They are the most obnoxious group I have
(15:08):
ever found in creation. Like Raider fans, think Eagle fans
are a little over the top. It's reality to it. Yeah.
I also not a huge fan of Sirianni, not just
because of the WWE character act, but just because I
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do think it's an act.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I do.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I don't think that's who he really is. I could
be wrong. I don't think that's who he is. I
think when he goes home, he's probably a completely different dude.
And that performative acting thing I'm just not I'm not
into it. So what happens with the Chiefs is, Yeah,
I've been a Charger fan forever, and yeah, like anybody
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who watches the NFL is like, why did the Chiefs
get away withholding every game? Now, keep in mind, I
don't watch my own guys to see if they get
away withholding.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I don't, but I do watch the Chiefs that I
feel like it.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
So to say that I'm over it would be an overstatement,
But to say that I'm rooting for them not really.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
What I do want.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
What I do wish is that people understand this may
be siding with you, Jase two is at some point
during greatness, can we recognize greatness? Pat Mahomes is an
amazing football player, and we can give credit to Andy Reid,
But Andy Reid was the coach of the Chiefs before
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they got Pat Mahomes, and then he can sniff anywhere
near a Super Bowl. They had the same problem all
the Chiefs teams had, which was they would lose early
in the playoffs, usually at home, by the way. But
there are lots of people who are over them. This
damn over them, and I get it. If you grew
up in southern California, like I did Rick D's in
(17:05):
the morning, tell us what time it is, and tell
us what the climate is. But you would hear I
remember summer after second grade, Borderline was on all the time.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
You everber Madonna? Boardline? Was that like our first big song.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I think Holiday was the first single off that debut album,
but Borderline was the was the third single. Like a
Star I think was the second single in nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah, so I remember, And how'd I do with my age?
Speaker 1 (17:34):
There? Let's hear eighty three? Probably this is probably makes
his summer of eighty four. I was, Yeah, eighty three,
eighty four, that's about right, big second grade, third grade.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I remember.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
There's an old high school basketball coach for a long
time named Wayne Marino. He used to pick up me
and my brother and we go to a modern day
camp in the morning in a Fountain Valley high school
basketball camp in the afternoon, and I would sit in
the back of his the small Toyota remember the small
Toyota pickup trucks. What are they called? I just I
think they were just called a Toyota truck, right, Those
(18:08):
are the ones that people would peel off some of
the letters and would say, toy on the back, you
guys remember those? And it had a what are the
covers called? What's they called a camper like a camper shell?
Is that what's called? Anyway, he would blast rick these
in the morning. When we go to modern day camp,
we come out and Borderline would be on again, and
by like the end of summer, Like, if I hear
(18:28):
Madonna one more time, I'm going to hurt somebody. That's
I think where we are with the Chiefs. Well, Tom
Brady was calling the game for Fox, had this to
say about people who are over the Chiefs.
Speaker 10 (18:42):
Well, I'm broadcasting the game, so I don't really have
a rooting interest, per se. The one thing I root
for in these situations are great games. I will say,
if the Chiefs win, I will be very happy for them.
I mean, what they've achieved is unmatched. And I think
that's cool because people always hated on us for so
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many years, and I didn't understand it because all I
did was like, we try to do things the right way.
We try to go out there and compete for our
job and win, and like there's an excellence that I
appreciate about people who are doing other things that really
high levels because you understand the commitment that it takes
for them to do what they're doing and like to
be in this country and to not cheer for excellence
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is beyond me.
Speaker 8 (19:27):
Like I think.
Speaker 10 (19:28):
It's it's incredible to see this team withstand all the
adversities they faced over the course of not just this
season or last season the year before. They just plowed on.
Nothing's that distracted them. They've just continued to push forward
and win a lot of games. And you know it's
going to be a terrific game because there's a lot
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on the line for both teams.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yeah, he went cliche at the end, you know, but
the point is that you root for excellence. Dan, Why
do you dislike are over the.
Speaker 9 (19:59):
G It's just the constant seeing the Chiefs in the
Super Bowl. We've had one breather with the Bengals. I
was excited when the Chiefs went to Super Bowl fifty
four and we're playing the forty nine ers in Miami.
It was neat seeing the Chiefs end zone. You know
how much I love the end zones, and now I'm
sick of seeing the big yellow end zone with the
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red riding if they even did it red with the
yellow riding. I actually may feel a little different about it,
but I just I even look back at the Brady years,
and at least early on, there was a mix. It
wasn't Brady every single year. And that's what it now
feels like with the Chiefs, where you had Brady and
thirty six, thirty eight and thirty nine in those Super Bowls,
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but then you had Super Bowl forty and the Steelers
come in. Manning goes super Bowl forty one. The Brady
comes back in forty two, but then it's Roethlisberger and Manning.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
After that there was some movement.
Speaker 9 (20:56):
So those games were even exciting in the AFC because
you're like, all right, who's going to get the better
of who.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
This time around?
Speaker 9 (21:02):
And I just feel like this has just been constant Chiefs,
constant Chiefs. Outside of last year. They're always at home.
It's just the same thing over and over, and I
like the change. I didn't like it back when the
Bills made it to four straight Super Bowls. I wanted
them to win one of them, but it was all right,
here we go Bills again. It's not that I cheered
for the Cowboys. It just got after a while, it
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was just let's do something different.
Speaker 8 (21:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
It is really fascinating, fascinating how we get so accustomed
to teams and like the Chiefs hadn't been the super
Bowl since well super Bowl one or two, like it had.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
Been super Bowl four just fifty years, right, and.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yet now we're like, oh, they're always there. They're like
they're like.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Simpsons reruns or Seinfeld reruns around every night. Like yeah,
I don't know, Like for my entire lifetime, can't say
would always get to the playoffs, lose early, Marty Ball,
always lose her.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Always always always, so.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
It is fast. Now here's the big question. Or I
guess to some people doesn't affect the ratings. And my
thing is, like, why would it affect the ratings? Who
doesn't watch the super Bowl? Like you said there go like,
you know, I was gonna watch the super Bowl, which
normally my team isn't in, but because it's the Chiefs again,
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I won't watch the super Bowl? Like is that really
a cognitive decision that we have.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
I think that there are fans that do feel that way.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I don't think there's a single person that's an actual
fan that feels that way. I really don't. I think
there are people that feel that way. But there's two
types of things. One they're probably not really a fan
and they're just kind of come up with excuse. Or Two,
they're still gonna watch the game. They're just gonna say
they didn't correct that.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Second one, they're definitely watching the game, and they if
they say that it's complete bis that they're actually gonna
watch it. But I think the fan thing I understand.
I like, my son lives and dies with the Chargers.
He can't root for the Chiefs. I understand that. But
the three of us, four of us have a combined
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like one hundred years of radio experience.
Speaker 8 (23:14):
We have one hundred years of radio experience.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
And like, if you're a listener and you're like that
sounds like he's just exaggerating. That does not hyperbole. Combine,
we have one hundred years of radio experience, we have
a chance to see and in Dan's case, cover, something
that's never been done in the history of the most
popular league in our country. I don't know why you
would be against that, Like to me that that's like
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I want to be I want to be able to
tell my grandkids, Yeah, I was there, for the Chiefs
when they won three in a row. I remember those
That doesn't appeal to you, guys.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Do you really think you're going to tell your grandkids
you were there for the Chiefs? Like, do you think
that's gonna be a question? Grandpa, Grandpa? Were you there
for the Chiefs when they won their three Super Bowls
in a row?
Speaker 8 (24:00):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Kids, I remember it was a sunny day in southern
California and I was sitting on my couch and sink
Clarita and the Chiefs and Patmo Like, that's not really
gonna happen anyway, Sorry, go ahead, How.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
Do you think that?
Speaker 9 (24:14):
Like, as time goes on, we look back at it
and have an appreciation of it, But as it's going on,
I just don't think that that's the mindset of a
football fans in it. I don't understiate I think someone
else's greatness.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yes, no, No, we can't appreciate them until they're gone.
And then they're gone, they're like, whoa, he was awesome.
You know, it becomes a really weird thing. I'm the opposite.
I appreciate those guys in real time. I think he's
as good as anybody I've ever seen play football and
the results are ridiculous, And yeah, do I get a.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Little bit bored by it?
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Sure, I get bored by it, But I get bored
by lots of stuff, right, I just do. And as
much as you want something new and different, it's like
with the Rams and Bengals, which, by the way, you're
asking my favorite games, that was one of my favorite games.
Like the Rams had nobody and the game winning drive
was Matt Stafford to Cooper Cup. Matt Stafford to Cooper Cup.
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Matt Stafford like he was open all the time, and
it didn't make any sense. It was a really close game.
Not a great well played game, but a really close
game of two likely Hall of Fame quarterbacks. And yet
I can't say that it was any different than the
Chiefs and the Eagles time one or any of these
other Chiefs Super Bowls.
Speaker 9 (25:35):
Yeah, it was a good game. Aaron Donald makes the
play at the end. I think this is him. I've
brought this up on the show before. It's the question
as well about the NFL. When we talk about the
Chiefs and we talk about the Patriots, do we give
them more credit because they were figured they figured out
a way to succeed in a league that is just
riddled with what we consider parody, where everything do we
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appreciate them more because of the NFL bending over backwards
to try to make every team the same or at
least on the level playing field, or do we look
at it in the opposite way in saying, well, yeah,
because everybody else's average, they've just figured out a way
to gain the system. I'm with the truly great teams
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again back in the eighties, and we talked about this
with the rushing record of now, when everybody's trying to
stop a quarterback, I think it's easier for a running
back when your defensive ends are only two hundred and
fifty pounds for your offensive line to be able to
run against. So when you're going up against better defenses
in the eighties that we're really designed to stop the run,
are those records more impressive than they are now? Rushing wise, yes,
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legacy wise, with parody, I still don't know the answer.
Still trying to determine is our Andy Reid and Bill
Belichick just even better than we think because they figured
out a way to succeed in a league that wants
everybody to be the same.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
That's actually great question. It's asks you a great question.
I think it is.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
To me.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
The answer is that they're great coaches that have all
time great quarterbacks. It's like the this is I was
thinking about this, I think for you, Like middle of
the night, I woke up, like, you know, what do
you talk about Super Week? And I was thinking about that, Like,
how do you explain that Andy Reid was always a
really good coach and they kept getting the NFC Championship game,
they got to one super Bowl in Philadelphia with now
(27:28):
you can't keep out of the super Bowl, Like, what's
the difference is Pat Mahomes?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
And I was thinking it's.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
A lot like great hitters in the nineties and two thousands,
where why was Barry Bonds the greatest of the steroid
era hitters? Well, he was already a Hall of Fame player.
Then you give him steroids, and now he's the greatest
hitter anyone's ever seen. Right, Bill Belichick and Andy Reid
(27:55):
great coaches. Now you give them two of the greatest
quarterbacks of all time, and it's like giving them steroids,
they're better than anybody who've ever seen. Yeah, did that work?
Speaker 5 (28:06):
I think it's one way of looking at it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
I mean if you said it kind of makes sense,
then that works for me. That's good enough for me.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
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(28:45):
he could ask one question, and here's what it was.
Speaker 7 (28:48):
If I could ask the media one question, why are
you guys leaning into this whole ref thing?
Speaker 8 (28:54):
You know what I mean? Like, why are you guys
leaning into it?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
That's all I got though, give you the answer because
suddenly conspiracy theories are cool, That's what it is.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I mean, Look, the officiating is crummy. I can tell you.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
As a college basketball coach, It's like when you sit
there and watch, you're like, man, it does feel very
personal to you, right, That's like just the reality to it.
It does feel very personal to you. And then you
step back and you talk to other coaches like, yeah,
it was bad. Here as bad, there as bad. You know,
we hold guys to a way higher stated than the
(29:28):
reality is. It's just officiating is not that easy. Guys
do make mistakes.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I can't explain how that wasn't a first down for
the Buffalo Bills. I can't. And even the most ardent
Kansas City Chiefs fan they'd be like, well, you couldn't
see the ball, Like, okay, dude, was it a first time?
Speaker 8 (29:45):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, but you couldn't see the ball? Okay? But why
why is the media running with it? Because the media
is nothing.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
More than fans with more access, and somehow conspiracy theories
have beencome really cool. I'll tell you what's really cool.
Bounty leather jacket, Bounty letterman jackets. That's what it is.
That's that's really cool. Why do I say that because
seven time All Pro guard Zach Martin and Brandon Aubrey
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is a Pro Bowl kicker, are both joining us on
behalf of Bounty and they have these really cool bounty
letterman jackets.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Zach, I know you've.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Done a lot of things, man, Yeah, I know you've
done a lot of things in your life. Notre Dame
Dallas Cowboys. But what's it like to wear the bee.
Speaker 8 (30:33):
Not a star? Hey, it's pretty comfortable. Man. We're here.
We're here with bounty this week.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (30:38):
You know, obviously you can't have football without wings and
wings without uh without bounty. So we're here making sure
everyone's cleaned up on game day.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Brandon, how about you?
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Uh, you know, making the Pro Bowls one thing, but
being a bounty boy that's a whole other other level
of success.
Speaker 12 (30:53):
Absolutely takes me to that next level. You know, thousands, millions,
billions of wings are non Super Bowl so day, so
it just makes sense to keep yourself clean with some bounty.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
All right, let's work backwards, Zach Martin that offensive line
room when you sit, when they go, hey, lineman, what
wings do you want?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
What's your order?
Speaker 8 (31:12):
I'm a flats I'm going flat, definitely, definitely right. If
you people saying you're different, if you're a flats guy,
That's what I've been told all day today.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
What's different? But you like what you like?
Speaker 8 (31:25):
Right exactly? What FLA flats with branch, flat branch.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
So regular like regular buffalo sauce.
Speaker 8 (31:31):
Yeah, my old garlic, spicy garlic was my go to.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah, but what about what about kickers? Brandon, I'm thinking
forking knife for your wings.
Speaker 12 (31:40):
That's keep my hands clean and prissy. I'll dig in
there whatever whatever is in the locker room. You know,
kicker is usually not the highest paid position in the
locker room, so I'm usually just eating one other people
bring in.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
That's uh, that's fair enough, Zach, I gotta ask you.
Being a cowboy, what are your thoughts on Luca now
being a Laker.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 11 (31:59):
Like I I've been at a couple times a day,
and like I'm not a huge basketball fan, NBA fan,
but it is. It is crazy when you have got
a guy who's the face of your franchise and really
the face of the city shipped off for you know,
hopefully it works out, but it's hard to see right now.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah, it really is, Brandon. I gotta I gotta ask you.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Okay, so we're getting ready for the super Bowl. The
highest pressure kick you've ever kicked? Again, they're not all
the same. It doesn't necessarily mean what was accomplished on
the kick?
Speaker 2 (32:33):
For you? What what kick did you feel the most
pressure kicking?
Speaker 12 (32:37):
Yeah, I'd say my first kick in training camp in
front of the team in Dallas. Well, I guess it
was auction hard. But before the practice, Jerry Jones came
up to me and Tristan who's the other kicker there,
and just introduced himself and said, for lack of a
better word, don't screw this up. There's a little less
PG than that. But told us there's a lot of
guys out here watching you, and he came out here
(32:58):
just to watch you guys. And but then he said,
just I'm just messing with you. Go out there and
enjoy it and have fun. And you guys both belong here.
But absolutely the time you're going in front of a
new team, it's at the NFL level, it's a new thing.
It's the dream I've been chasing. Here's my opportunity. And
I'd say that first kick was definitely the most pressure
I felt.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
It's interesting you bring that up because and Zach, I
know you watched the college football playoff, Brandon, I'm watching
Texas play I think.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
It was Georgia.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
And Steve Sarkijian like grabs his kicker and like you know,
gives them like a believe in you whatever for you?
Is it better if somebody grabs you and gives you, hey,
I believe in you, or just leave me alone.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
I'm doing my thing.
Speaker 12 (33:40):
Leave leave the guy alone. Poor the poor kid needs
to go through his process, needs to do. Focus on
the things that he needs to focus on. It doesn't
need someone else's voice in his head. When he's going
out there to kick kick a ball. He already realizes
that the moment's a big moment. So he's got to
process that, get it out of his brain, and then
focus on what it takes to kick a ball. That's
that's all he needs. He doesn't need to coach literally
(34:03):
reminding him right before he goes out and kick it.
This is a big kick.
Speaker 8 (34:06):
You don't need that.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, No, it's it's like the it's like in Little League.
And you guys don't have kids that are old enough
yet for Little League. But like in Little League, like
my parents that are coaches sometimes like, well, just just
throw a strike, like you know the kids trying to throw.
That's not actually helping the matter at all. Just throw
a strike, Jimmy doesn't really totally help. All right, I'll
(34:29):
ask you guys. Let me start with use zach coaching.
Change with the Dallas Cowboys. What's your reaction to the move?
Speaker 8 (34:36):
Yeah, I'm fired up.
Speaker 11 (34:37):
I mean, I know a lot of people are, you know,
scratching their heads a little bit, but you know, Shot,
he's been in the building for the last three years,
and you know, I'm I'm just pumped for his opportunity
to get in get in there and get after it.
And you know, he's done a great job in the
role that he was in, and you know, I think
he'll do a.
Speaker 8 (34:53):
Great job in the role he's going to. He's a
relationship guy.
Speaker 11 (34:55):
He's all about the relationships and building that that tight
knit football team, and I think that's first and foremost
on his list of kind of what to do there.
Speaker 8 (35:02):
So I'm excited for you know what he brings to
our team.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Man, the same question to you.
Speaker 12 (35:07):
Yeah, And to go off of what Zach said, the
guys in the locker room that I've worked closely with
him on the offensive side, I absolutely love him. They're
excited for him. He deserves an opportunity. He's been looking
for an opportunity to be head coach for a long time.
And obviously the process of the Cowboys just about anything
you talk about is different than the rest of the league,
so I can't really fault them for not following the
(35:29):
process that other teams might have or that the media
thinks they should. So Jerry's done a really good job
picking head coaches. In the past, We've had a lot
of success here with head coaches, and if he thinks
shot he's the guy for the job, I'm clined to
believe him. He's done a good job picking, so I'm
excited to work with him and work for him.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Zach Notre Dame losing in the National Championship game, right,
but again getting there and so oftentimes in the past
people who dislike the Dome or like they don't belong
among college football's lead. But by winning two games to
get there proved that, the at least to me, proved
that the program is on a different level than previously.
(36:10):
As in a lum what's your kind of thirty thousand
foote what's going on South Bend?
Speaker 11 (36:15):
You know, I went to the game, and being at
the game, I think they've definitely closed the gap. You know,
I don't think they're all the way there, but it
just felt different. You know, I played in the last
National champions of game and we got steamrolled by Alabama
and just watching the game, it didn't feel like we
were that far off. So I think they've definitely closed
the gap up there, and I think Marcus and his
staff have done a great job of recruiting, and I
think they'll definitely be back in the mix, you know,
(36:38):
for years to come. So you know, there's a lot
of excitement around South Bend right now.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah, it's crazy that people are now rooting for no
supposed to.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
When you were there, everybody hated on Notre Dame.
Speaker 8 (36:48):
Oh it Freeman makes us likable, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yeah, so I've been said, hey, listen, I'm the half
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Speaker 2 (37:03):
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Speaker 8 (37:04):
Yeah, appreciate it.
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Speaker 2 (37:32):
Man, there's a lot to ingest there there.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Dan, It's it is weird to have this NBA movement
in NBA story. And here's how big the NBA story is.
We hadn't even paid attention to any of the other deals,
not that there's gargantien deals. But Darren Fox is a
big deal to san Antonio. That's a big deal to
san Antonio putting another all star level guard with Victor
(37:55):
webin Yama. The rebuilding of the San Antonio Spurst is
not complete, but that's a big step. That's a big
step for them. It feels like they're one more big
step away, doesn't it. I mean one more like get
one more sort of dude away. They have all those picks,
(38:16):
they have some young guys probably a year away from
wembin Yama, you know, being in that top I don't
know whatever, in the NBA category.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
You know, it's weird. It's like the Lakers, I.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Think personally punted on competing for a championship, not that
they were going to compete for a championship anyway, but
I think it's really really unlikely they do now. Dallas
put themselves Okay, defensively, they should be as good as anybody.
Still think they need a point guard, but they're more
short term. San Antonio I think may have changed the
landscape of the West in the long term more with their.
Speaker 9 (38:52):
Move, absolutely, But I want to go back to something
you said, and this is something that you said off
the top, and I had this note in the update
about the Mavericks fans, and I think that's what's so
intriguing about this about this trade is I just don't
think it's about championships. I don't think it's about winning,
(39:14):
whether it be this year or whether it be for
years to come. At some point it probably will be,
but I honestly don't know if there's a time that
Dallas is ever going to get over this, and it
may be a long long time, and there always may
be this part of that sporting community that gets past
this deal. And the reason that I say that on
(39:35):
the heels of what you're saying with the Spurs is
I thought there are three players in the NBA that
no matter what, they're not tradeable, they're not movable, they
are just they're not going anywhere for myriad of reasons,
but one of them is the tie to the community
or what it would do to the fan base and
what it would do to the city. I think Jokich
(39:56):
is one of them in Denver. I think wenbin Yama
and San Antonio just for future greatness, and I felt
Luca was the other in Dallas. And that's what's you know,
that's what's so shocking about this sort of thing. And
you're probably right because now the Spurs are set up
where there'd be no reason for Victor webbin Yama to
be to be dealt at any point, not that he
(40:16):
would even be in that conversation, but yet, to me,
it's just like, even if the MAVs are are winning,
and I think why, guessing from how you've handled this
trade over the last couple of days, is you feel
that the Mavericks are in a better position, but yet
fans are turning in their season tickets.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
That's crazy, It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
I can't but fans, and look, I think it's a
really bold move by Nico Harrison. I would also say
that I wouldn't have done the move. Oh, I would
not have. I think there are other things he could
have done, and we don't know the day to day,
but it's like if the if the thought was, hey,
we can't get him to play defense, and we can't
get him to get in shape, and he's just a
(40:57):
lot it's hard to coach, and we're just better off.
And remember Nico Harrison's glimpse into the NBA and whatever
you want to think about his background at Nike, like
he worked hand in hand with Kobe, and those guys
that are Kobe guys, they that is the only the
only way to do it is the Kobe way, and
that's not Luca's way. Don't get me wrong, I think
(41:19):
Luca's this may sound sacrilege a better basketball player in
many instances than Kobe. Kobe was difficult to play with,
too difficult to coach, difficult to manage, but he played
both ends and he always always, always took care of
his body. And I would say that's gotta be the
frustration part to where Nico's like, Okay, if we're going
to give him three hundred fifty million dollars guaranteed four years,
(41:41):
why would he ever get in shape If he doesn't
get in shape. Now, why would he ever play defense
if he doesn't play defense? Now, why would he be
more coachable? If he is not coachable? Now? Again, I
think there's other ways in which you can do it,
you know, I think you can leak your frustration. I
think you can. You can have you know, it's not
nicari about have meetings. It's about having the right people
on the staff on the team to get him right.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
And maybe they tried all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
I don't know. We won't know until you know the
book comes out or the mini series comes out or whatever.
But I also will tell you that like fans immediate reactions,
that doesn't I mean, that doesn't, that doesn't agree. That
does nothing for me.
Speaker 5 (42:19):
I think yeah, And I think that's why you're missing
the boat on it.
Speaker 9 (42:22):
I think that I think it's a blind spot because
it is.
Speaker 5 (42:26):
It is. I mean, somebody took a.
Speaker 9 (42:28):
Casket to American Airline Center on Sunday, But just the
visual of it, fans are turning in their season tickets
again for a team that is supposedly supposed to be better.
And that's why I like I on my show on Sunday.
I felt that Nico Harrison missed out on the responsibility
of being the Dallas Mavericks general manager when you have Luca.
(42:48):
And we may disagree on the responsibilities because I think
that there's some people say, win championships and win championships.
Maybe if they win four that changes things. But I
think that they're there's a group of Mavericks fans and
maybe a bigger tingon than we'd like to think, would
rather have Luca on their team because of who he
is and what he is and the type of player
(43:09):
that they perceive.
Speaker 5 (43:11):
Him to be sure to actually win a championship.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Listen, that's fair. But nowhere on Earth, Okay, nowhere on
Earth has has people staying more, has stayed employed longer
because it's cool, right, It just it hasn't right And
and maybe to your point, like again, this may sound
sacrilegious to people in Dallas, Jerk Novitsky, how many times
(43:35):
they lose in the first round of the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Just a bunch, But everybody loved Dirk. Everybody loved Dirk.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Right, you can even say the same thing about Steve
Nashy anything like super super popular. Whereas they went, they've
gone to the Dallas Mavericks won an NBA championship one
year with Dirk, but he was surrounded by a Jason
Kidd he was surrounded by but I don't think played
that the year because he got hurt. He was surrounded
by just a tough bunch of dudes because Dirk was
(44:05):
seen as kind of more of a finesse player and
not really a defender and not really a passer. Now
he closed those games, he won that series, but but
he wasn't seen as a guy who will every year
get you in the running to compete for a championship.
They just weren't. So maybe you're right there. Maybe that's
how Dallas would prefer to role. But I think that
(44:27):
Nico believes defense wins championships. Defense makes you consistently competitive
at the top of the NBA, especially in the playoffs.
And I still think there's got to be another deal
in it because they got too many big, big dudes,
right with Gafford, with Lively and with Anthony Davis. But man,
good lucks. I mean, Clay is not close to being
(44:47):
Clay of old, but Clay can still you know, as
the fifth best player in the floor. It can still
defend like that's a really really good defensive team, and
they do have a bunch of scoring pop and they
do have two stars in Anthony Davison and Irving. I
don't know, it's it's gonna be fascinating. I think Dallas
will be better in the short term. I think long term,
(45:08):
Nico probably didn't get enough. And again, you're just hoping
that if your Nico, that Luca has someonet Lebron in
La sort of superstar, huge numbers and no real lasting
impact in the playoffs, that's what's happened Lebron. We'll see
if that's what happens with Luca. And what you're saying
is people in Dallas would be okay with that if
(45:30):
they still had Luca. As long as they're in the playoffs,
they lose, whatever, doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
They have Luca.
Speaker 9 (45:34):
Yeah, I think they liked having him. I think they
liked that he was theirs. And at twenty five, that's
the tough part. It's different if he's thirty, and you know,
obviously the feelings would be different if you were further
further along in your career, but at twenty five, he's
still young.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
I mean, listen, listen, it's bold. I'm not gonna lie
like it's a bold Like wait what I thought it
was fake too?
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Everyone I know is like what.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
Then you stop and think about like, well, he must
be a real pain that you know what to deal with.
It's the only thing I can think of, and the
weight thing, I think obviously freaks everybody out. Just does
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