This week on 3&Out John discussed some of the biggest stories in sports starting with his reaction to Bryson winning the US Open and how Rory fell apart down the stretch (6:31), did the Jaguars make the right move by giving Trevor Lawrence a massive contract extension and what does it mean for some of the other QB's that are looking for new deals (30:13), and the latest with the Brandon Aiyuk situation in SF (50:56).
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last weekend on Father's Day, like it does every single
year with the US Open. I just say this one
seemed a little crazier one of the great golf tournaments
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I've ever seen in my entire life that did not
include Tiger Woods, Bryson and Rory. So I had to
give a few takes on that situation because that was wild.
Trevor Lawrence, who actually had signed the previous week, but
I hadn't had an opportunity to dive into it. I
got some questions, and I don't quite understand the logic,
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even if the Jags, which they clearly do like them
a lot, don't quite understand the rush. But we'll dive
into some numbers and just the overall craziness of that situation,
the Brandon Ayuk Internet sensation. That's what happens when you
vlog you're off season. It's twenty twenty four, this is
nineteen ninety six, so a lot of emotions running high.
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I kind of dive into both sides of the argument,
and I don't know. I mean, we might need to
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get much better than that. It really doesn't. And Pinehurst
Now going back to nineteen ninety nine with Payne Stewart
and Phil Mickelson going at it, I guess the only
difference here is Rory and Bryson were not in the
same group. Something I think golf needs to figure out. Uh,
just you can place whoever you want in the groups.
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Put Rory and put Bryson in the same group. But
we were lucky today. It didn't really mapp much because
Rory came out the gate swinging Bertie's one and then
gets just lightning hot. He Birdi's nine, he Birdi's ten,
He Bird's twelve, he bird He's thirteen, and everyone on
the internet was like, he's up to with five to play. Well,
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Bryson still had six to play because he was one behind.
Then Bryson knocks it on thirteen Bertie's that and then,
let's face it, I hate using this term because golf's
really hard. I don't care if you're Rory McElroy or
you're me or you it is a difficult sport. It's
hard to make putts, and we have seen some legendary
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choke jobs in this sport. A couple of years ago
at the PGA Championship when Justin Thomas won, Mito Pereira
knocks it in the water. The most legendary one of
all time is John Vandervelt in the open when he
I think triples the last hole ends up going to
a playoff. But for Rory's standard, that was a choke job.
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He blew it three putts sixteen and then the putt
on eighteen, and I thought Brandall nailed it. He said,
listen to the naked eye. That looks like a really
good chip, but that is the wrong spot to leave it.
And meanwhile, Bryson's probably one hundred and fifty yards behind him,
under a tree and against a root. You could tell
Bryson wasn't comfortable. He tried to get a ruling for
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a drop. Thank god, the rules official said you're not
getting a drop, and he basically had to hit in
a bunker, which was gonna be. As he just said
when he received the trophy, it's the best shot of
my life. And for Rory to miss that putt you
almost knew it was inevitable. He lost it right there.
And listen, he's had a chance over these last couple
of years to win a couple majors. You know, he
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lacc he did not make a putt. Same thing with
the British Open a couple of years ago when Cam
Smith won, he could not make a putt. That was
not the case today. I mean early on in the round,
he's draining putts. Bryson bait essentially won the tournament the
first three days because he gave himself elite. He shoots
sixty seven, sixty nine, sixty seven as a three shot
lead coming into today and was able to just kind
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of hold his mud. It's not like he ran away
with it. Hell, he was celebrating incredible up and downs
for Pars And once Bryson knocked it on thirteen, You're like,
Rory doesn't have any margin foreerr And I'll be honest,
I thought he was gonna make it on eighteen, even
though his feet were kind of open, he was kind
of lined up weird and that ball never had a chance.
And then the moment he missed and Bryson hits it
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in the bunker, You're like, Okay, we're going to a
playoff now. Historically, the playoff has always been and there
hasn't been a playoff in the US Open since Tiger
and Roco. I was like, okay, eighteen holes, We're getting
eighteen holes tomorrow. I'm a podcaster. I plan on watching
it all. And then Tarico chimes in it's now a
two hole aggregate. I'm like, okay, we get extra golf.
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I would imagine they just play seventeen and eighteen Rory
de Chambeau, It's going to be incredible. And then Bryson,
that bunker shot he hit on a team was just
freaking remarkable. I mean, once he hit it that close,
there was no way he was missing that putt. And
obviously he doesn't. He wins his second US Open. And
I don't think I can remember anyone in sports we've
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seen guys go the other way. Someone that was really
celebrated obviously had a you know, let's use Lebron as
an example. In Cleveland. He was a rock star. He
had the entire state of Ohio behind him, and then
when he left, he kind of went full heel and
everyone rooted against him. It's very very rare. You see
it baseball sometimes when guys leave teams. You know, we
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saw it back in the Yankees and Red Sox hey day,
when a guy would jump over. This was the opposite.
Bryson was not well liked. People almost rooted against him.
They thought he was a weird dude. And you know,
in the golfing world, he had done things to rub
people the wrong way. Then he bulks up like he's
about to play defensive tackle in the NFL. And then
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he goes to live and he kind of gets skinny,
but he keeps hitting three hundred and fifty three hundred
and sixty yard drives that are still just remarkable to watch.
And now he's fun. And you know what golf has
really missed. And I said this when the live PGA
tour thing happened. One problem is golf just has a
bunch of likable guys, and in any sport, in any
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form of entertainment, you need to have people that I
like rooting for and people that I root against. And
then they took all those guys. But then somehow Bryson
comes storming back, feels like a completely different human being.
Has a YouTube channel that everyone I play golf with
or everyone I meet that follows golf, like, Hey, are
you watching Bryson's YouTube? It's a pretty big deal. It
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gets a lot of use. For example, Live last week
got under two hundred thousand people watching. He does two
hundred thousand people in five hours when he posts a
video on YouTube, and he's become really likable, and then
you watch this whole week how he's playing with the crowd.
One thing Tiger did a really good job of. Now
he was constantly in just these miraculous moments, partly because
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Tiger would spread around and then have the craziest up
and downs you've ever seen. The fist pumps were a
huge part of Tiger's legend, his emotion. You could feel
them when you watched them. Obviously, his resume by the
mid two thousands was unlike anything we'd ever seen beside Jack,
but you felt his presence. Now. Tiger was not high
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fiving people in the gallery, he was not pointing at
the crowd. But when you saw him make a big
putt or have a big moment, he'd pimp that shot
a lot like Bryson did on Whole seventeen, or he
would do the crazy fist you know, up and down
both arms go nuts, and that's what Bryson was doing.
You know why fans like that. It's entertaining, it's fun,
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and that's what Bryson has become. Fun. Scotty, who had
a bad week, he is on one of the greatest
runs we've ever seen. There's not much emotion there. You
don't see much by far, not even close. The most
interesting thing that will probably ever happen to Scottie on
or off the course was getting arrested a month ago
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and going in the orange jumpsuit. But he's not a
big fist bumper. He's not a big you know, lay
it all out there when he does something awesome, and
Bryson's the opposite. And listen, whether you liked him or
you didn't a couple of years ago, when he's on
the screen. I remember when I was young and grew
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up a big San Francsco Giants fan, and Barry Bonds
became very polarizing. Obviously, cream the clear. He looked like
Ray Lewis in his prime. But when he came up
to the plate, everyone stopped to watch. Whether you hated him,
whether you loved him, you had to see it. And
that's kind of what Bryson has become. You just got
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to watch, and then the more you watch, you kind
of find yourself rooting for him. Now, you boy might
have had a little parlay and might have just won
almost you know, twenty k. So I was definitely invested
in his success this weekend. But even if I had
no money on the guy, like a month ago at
the PGA, he was riveting TV. His whole operation is
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unlike anything we've ever seen. Yesterday, he's asked on Saturday
about how he soaks his golf balls in salt water
to find the balance and make sure none of the
golf balls are off. All of his irons are the
same length. Now sometimes he hits like a nine iron
from two hundred yards and you realize, well, his you know,
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the degrees on his clubs are much different than basically
everyone on tour and every normal person that plays golf.
But you're like, what is going on? And he has
these crazy three d irons. He's playing these crazy rope draws.
But here's the thing about Bryson. He's not some golf
creation in the lab. This is one of the I
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would say, most talented golfers of his generation. He went
to SMU as a blue chip high school kid and
became an individual national champion in college. Then he won
the US Amateur. Now he's won multiple US Opens, and
before he went to live it's not like he had
never won on the PGA Tour. He was winning. This
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guy's a winner. He's been a winner since he was
a young guy. This is a blue chip player, a
lot like Rory, an elite talent as a youth and
has carry it through his career. And that's what we're
watching with Bryson, and you're seeing a guy right now
who is in the peak of his powers. If it
wasn't for a couple of bad chips at the Masters,
he would have been right in that thing. He finished
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tied for six. He easily could have won the PGA Championship.
If the PGA Championship would have been seventy five holes
and not seventy two holes, I think he would have won.
Even Xander admitted I wanted no part of a playoff
with Bryson. DeChambeau finish his second. Then he comes to Pinehurst,
which historically with Bryson, you're like, you know, it's much
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more about placement, short game putting, doesn't quite feel well.
Here's the thing with Bryson. His short game is awesome.
I'm not saying he's Brad Faxon or Steve Stricker with
a putter in his hand, but you are much more
confident when that weird stick is in his hand than
you are with Rory McElroy. He is a fantastic putter,
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and you're seeing a guy right now who hasn't figured
out and listen, Scotti. Scheffler is the best player in
the world this week. Remove it, but not debatable. You
could make a very easy argument that Bryson's the second
best player. I mean, Xander is having a fantastic year.
He is an elite player, won the PGA, finish, his
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top ten here, He's in the mix every single week.
He's an elite player. Rory is awesome, Bryson is every
bit there equal. And now what we're seeing is in
these big moments for all these guys with live you know,
here's the thing. For Kopka, it was awesome to watch
him win the PGA Championship last year and get his
fifth major. If I had to set the over under
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on Brooks Keepka's majors moving forward, I'd probably put it
at point five, like, I'm not expecting him to win
another one. If I had to put the over under
even Rory McElroy, Rory's going to win a major. I
feel very very confident on that. Is he gonna end
up with ten? Probably not, But is he more likely
to end up with six than he is where he
sits now at four? Yes, I don't know when he's
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gonna win it, but you put yourself in the mix enough,
like he has several times in the last three years.
Right could have won at LAC, could have won a
British This was easily his best chance. He's gonna win it.
Bryson is winning it. Bryson did get it done. I'd
put his over under on majors for his career, probably
around four and a half, five and a half, somewhere
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in that range, because Bryson, to me, feels like a
five to six major guy much more than he does
a two major guy. He's thirty years old now. The
health on Saturday, he's his hips give him problems because
of the way that he speed trains. But then you
watch him hit, You're like, it doesn't really look like
he's slowing down. It doesn't really look like it faces
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him and his touch around the greens. Obviously what he
did on eighteen out of the sand. If you put
the average like low handicap guy in that spot, I
think there's a pretty good chance most people end up
with double. They either blast the ball way over the
green or they hit it way short than they three
putt that shot. And there was a shot earlier in
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the round was a whole ten where he left it
short of the bunker. And Brandle's like, this is this
is really freaking hard. His lob wedges like five feet
nails it for birdie. And so if you're telling me
a guy they can hit it three hundred and fifty
yards pretty easily. When it came to the driveable thirteenth hole,
Rory hit driver way over. Now he still ends making birdie.
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I was like, why didn't he just hit a three
wood and run it on. Well, what does Bryson do?
Hits a three wood, runs it on easy two putt,
could have been could have been an eagle, and I
think he thought it was in. He left it a
little short. But you have a guy with length we've
never seen in a day and age where everybody is
hitting the ball a mile long. This guy's deeper than
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them all, and honestly, it's not that close. And when
he really gets into it, especially on some of these
courses with these hard paan fairways, he's hitting at like
three hundred and seventy three hundred and eighty yards and
then forever it's like, well, he's got the one leg club,
no touch. How's he gonna work his sand wedge and
his lob wedge. Well, he's clearly got that figured out.
And then he's an elite putter. Now listen, there's a
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lot of talk and golf Twitter read it about the
Olympics and their rules. He can't be in the Olympics.
I do think that's stupid because to me, it'd be
pretty easy if there were no requirements. Who are the
best three American golfers to represent us in Paris? It
would be Scotty, Bryson and Xander They would be the pick. Now,
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Bryson's not gonna get to go. He didn't get to
go the last time because I think he got the
VID right before and Bryson didn't get the jab, so
they didn't let him go. But it's clear and this
is where the world rankings and all that. No one
gives a shit about any of that. Just watch the
guy play. He's when he's on, he's every bit as
good as Rory and Scotty. And one thing Rory just
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can't do for whatever reason, is find a way to
win these tournaments, and Bryson can't. Like Bryson played winning
golf at Valhalla, Xander just made one more putt, but
he didn't lose it like Rory. Who knows if Rory
makes that putt, there is no guarantee that he's gonna
win in extra holes against Bryson. Honestly, there's probably not
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a soul that would have confidence that Rory would take
him down. But at least you would give yourself a
chance and said he didn't he missed it, and listen,
it's golf. Sometimes you missed the those pots. But like
Rory's one of the most talented players in the history
of the game. But it does feel like something's missing
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because he has been on like a two year heater
of just playing at an elite level. Besides Scotty, he's
better than everyone on the PG Tour, and that includes Xander,
But in these big four tournaments, which he's even admitted
it's the only thing he's playing for. It just doesn't happen.
Lacc and the old course, it's like he just couldn't
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make anything. And then today he's draining every fucking putt
from like fifteen to twenty five feet. It feels like
Tiger Woods, You're like, this guy is gonna run away
with this thing. And then you come down the stretch
you three puts sixteen and I think that has to
be I mean, at the level in which and they
were talking about this on the broadcast, the pressure in
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which he's under. Well, yeah, when you're Phil Mickelson, when
you're Tiger Woods now with Scotty Scheffler, like the pressure
you're under is greater than everybody else. It was the
same thing with Steph Curry and Lebron and Peyton and
Tom Like that's part of being the lead dog. That's
part of being you know, the guy carrying the flag
for the sport. You gotta come through in that moment.
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It's not a fifteen footer to force the playoff. Those
miss and make league. I mean sometimes you lip out,
sometimes three footer. You gotta make that putt and you
gotta give yourself an opportunity. Now that being said, everyone's
gonna it's a devastating l for him, which is crazy
because in this sport he didn't lose. He beat literally
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every other person beside Bryson d Chambeau so like and
most people. There were eight guys under par He boat raced,
he destroyed, he ruined like Scottie's the Koepkas. Those guys
couldn't hold his jock this week. But that's not really
what he's gunning for. We see him on a weekly
basis kick most people's butt. It's about coming through and
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making that when it matters the most, and then an
extra hole is finding a way to get it done.
And let's face it, some of these visuals we see
when Rory was a little chubbier and he was wearing
the Oakley, it doesn't mean much to most. Now it's
on his resume. It's why he's become such a legend
over the years because he won the major so early.
But we're living in twenty twenty four and we're going
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on a guy who's approached his mid thirties. Like I said,
I think he's gonna win more majors. You can't be
in the mix this often be that good and have
the ability to play so many different courses and contend
and not eventually have it fall your way. Xander is
a great example. Xander was like, he's never gonna get
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over the hump. He's never gonna get over the hump. Well,
if you're in the mix fifty percent of the time
for a seven year stretch, eventually some of the things
are gonna break your way. So over the next three years,
if I was a betting man, Rory mcroy's gonna win
another major. But this one stinks, this one hurts, and
this one, to me is dramatically worse than when he
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essentially lost to camp Smith and lost to Wyndam Clark.
This one has to be And he declined. They tried
to interview him after he declined, which I don't blame him.
Got to be pretty rattled, and Rory's the last guy
to get on for, you know, not being gracious with
the media and all that stuff. But you saw in
a two hour span Bryson stole this thing because he
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had him He had himself a little cushion and then
it was kind of coming off the rails and he
just grinded and he found a way and now it
feels like he's a little bit of the people's champ.
And I've said this on Instagram because some of these videos,
he feels like the new Phil, high fiving people, signing
people's hats, mid round, pointing at the crowd. There is
just something. And there were a lot of stories over
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the years like Phil's kind of a snake oil salesman.
Phil is kind of a phony. None of the fans cared,
you know why, because Phil wasn't enjoyable to watch. Phil
was entering And that's what this is. This is entertainment. Now.
Part of what adds to your legend as a golfer,
It's what made Tiger Sitch a legend, is it felt
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like he never choked, he never blew it. And Phil
went through a stretch where he screwed up a lot,
and a guy with six majors, you know, Phil could
have about fifteen, but that added to the Phil story.
So this moment for Rory is shitty as it feels
it's way better than finishing eleventh and having seven of
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your shots shown on Sunday. But I can't imagine for
a guy who is just who's just playing four majors,
now like once Brady got to like four or five,
is like he's only playing for super Bowls. That's not
like the Mahomes and Andy Reid Chiffield. The only thing
that matters I said this one. The schedule cames out
doing win loss or travel or they got to go
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east to west or none of that matters anymore. There
is there's one schedule that is completely irrelevant in the NFL,
and that's chief schedule because they're only games that matter.
I'm not saying we won't watch and we won't talk
about it, but as we've seen the last couple of years,
games in October and games in November are relevant. They
do not matter. They get judged purely on January games.
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That's it. That's the only and they're the only team
in the NFL that can say that. And I think
Rory probably more than anyone, even more than Scotty Scheffler,
is only judged on these weeks. No one cares, and
whether it's fair or not, when he wins the Memorial
or if he wins one of these playoff events, or
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if he ends up winning the FedEx and taking down Scotty,
it just does not matter. And I also think that's
a cool part of sports. When you get to that level,
you're just judged, you know, at the highest level of
your profession in your sport, whether it's like, listen, I
got a little money on the oilers, like McDavid. At
this point in time, everyone knows he's Hall of Fame talent.
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He's gonna win all these MVPs, He's dominating everyone. He's
just judged on the playoffs and can he win a
Stanley Cup? And because Rory banks him early, he doesn't
have like the ghost of can this guy ever win it?
But he does have is a guy ever gonna win one? Again?
And listen, you know where I stand. But you see
moments like today and you're like, if you were on
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the side of the argument, he's never gonna get it done.
I don't know what I could come back besides just well, statistically,
it would show if you just stay in the mix,
because like today's a good example of the eighteenth toll
and they both neither of them hit the fairway and
one guy ends up with a five and one guy
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ends up with a four, And let's face it, Rory's
up and down in theory should be a lot easier,
but he left the ball above the hole to the
left and had a tricky little putt. Bryson, meanwhile, leaves
it below the hole, knocks it in, and I thought,
I thought, the whole Bryson experience is everything I want
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as a sports fan. Okay, Trevor Lawrence. My first reaction was,
holy shit, that is insanity. And several days later, I
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haven't changed my opinion that much. And I think the
conventional wisdom when it comes to these contracts is the
price only goes up, it can only go up. That's
actually not true. Stocks, for example, which players I think
have a lot in comparison to You're either ascending or
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you're descending. You're either going up or you're going down.
You're not guaranteed to get better. Just because I buy
something that's going up doesn't mean that it can't come down. Right,
just because you buy something that's low doesn't mean it
can't fly up. We see it all the time in football,
see it all the time in sports. He signed guys
to low contracts and they fall out seed and exceed
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those expectations of the money you're paying them. And we
have a long list of guys, especially in football, that
you pay a lot of money to and do not
live up to the contract. I'll defend over paying guys
in free agency because typically they have a five, potentially
a six year body of work. You have seen what
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they have done. This is essentially buying that it's going
to get dramatically better than what it's been now. Unlike
a lot of people I think, like on the internet,
I don't just think Trevor Lawrence sucks like this guy
over it. It's not really debatable that he has not
lived up to the hype, not even close Andrew Locke.
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By year three, you knew the guy was a rocket ship.
He literally was rattling off playoff victories with a pretty
average roster. And let's face it, a joke of a
head coach Trevor Lawrence last year. And here's where I knew,
Like at the combine, all these coaches in the media
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kind of area where they do their press conferences are
just kind of lingering around. You can bullshit with him.
And I've known Doug since I worked with him with
the Eagles, and we were just shooting the shit talking
about his kids, and I started asking them about Trevor
Lawrence and he loves them, and it was not like
he had no reason to lie to me. I mean
we were just kind of bssing, and it was clear like,
I don't think he's joking. He really likes them, and
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clearly by the jags of actions, they really liked the guy.
And I'm all four really liking the guy and really
believing in the guy. But wouldn't you rather pay an
extra fifteen percent of what you're willing to pay right
now to just feel really good about this? You just
guaranteed him almost one hundred and fifty million dollars the
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moment he signed his contract. The overall practical guarantees are
two hundred million dollars. Like, if I'm going to sign
one of those contracts, I can't have any questions. Even
if you're not Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers,
I still gotta feel pretty good about you. This is
where I go to the Lions. Could Jared Goff today
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think that he kind of got screwed because there is
no number on a contract. If I'm Jared Goff that
should be lower than what Trevor Lawrence signs for. This
is not about hype. This is not about what people
projected me to be in this notion, and listen, I
like Albert Breer a lot, and I don't think he's
wrong here. This contract represents what they think he's gonna be.
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I think that's a crazy mindset to have. That's why
you have draft picks. I'm drafting this guy number one overall,
number seven overall, number fifteen overall because of what I
think he's gonna be in the next four or five years.
When I sign a guy to a contract, obviously, when
you're a younger player under twenty five twenty six years old,
there's still room for growth, but you gotta be a
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large percentage of what you're gonna be. I've already had
to experience. His best year was two years ago. He
threw twenty five touchdowns. Last year was an utter disaster,
and I think the Jags would say, well, he was
banged up, Well, okay, can he play a season healthy
and throw thirty five touchdowns? Can he be clearly one
of the best six to seven quarterbacks in the NFL?
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Not a guy that many would say guy. There are
a lot of weeks where he's not even a top
twenty guy. I never understand. Let's just see a little
more when you have a lot of questions. All for
Micah Parsons right now, after year three, if the Cowboys
want to give him an astronomical amount of money, get it.
I have seen him play at a really high level
for a long period of time. Right now, if he
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just maintains what he's been, we're in good shape. Obviously,
you want him to improve, as you would with any
young employee in any industry. But anytime you gotta guess,
like God, I hope this works out. That's crazy when
you pay I mean just premium amounts of money. Now,
Jared Goff did get double the amount of a signing bonus.
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Trevor Lawrence got thirty seven million dollars the MOMENC he
signed a contract, which is a lot of money to
ninety nine point ninety nine percent of people. Jared Goff
got seventy three million dollars. Anyone that's taken any you know,
business or economic classes, time value money. You'd rather have
money up front. Obviously, with how much hit costs and inflation,
I mean the dollars lost what twenty percent of its
value in like three year span, So big win for
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Jared Goff, But when it comes to overall guarantees, there's
a pretty wide gap there. So if I'm Jared Goff,
I'm probably not losing much sleep over this, but it's
kind of crazy. I also don't quite understand if I'm
the Jags the moment Jared Goff signs his contract, whose
resume is dramatically better, who's been doing it for a
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much longer period of time, also a number one pick.
Also a number one pick who has several seasons at
a really high level that has led his team and
put his team in the position to win a Super Bowl.
Wouldn't you like to see just one season, like, Hey,
coming off a rough year, let's bounce back. See if
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you can win us ten to eleven games, have us
back in the playoffs. Then we'll feel very comfortable doing
this because we bought into the hype when we drafted you.
We obviously really like the person which matters at quarterback,
The character of the work ethic, all that stuff is
a part that's hard for us to quantify on the outside,
which obviously they like, which I understand. But this is
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a production based business. You have to produce on the field.
Like I don't know, if you're one of the great
prospects of all time and have all this talent. He's like, wow,
we don't have the receivers. I don't know. You should
be able to throw thirty touchdowns in seventeen games in
the way this game is officiated in twenty twenty four.
So I'm not trying to act like I wouldn't want
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this guy on my team. But I don't ever understand
the rush to sign guys. I would understand if he
was going into his franchise tag year or he was
a true free agent. You're like, a, he had our
back against the wall. We just what were we gonna do? Okay,
I get it, it was a weird position. You're kind
of stuck. You're not stuck at all. Pick up his
fifth year option, plays his fourth year, and let's evaluate
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another season like this number, this notion that it's only
gonna go up. Well, what if he has another season
just like he just had? Would you feel comfortable doing
that again? Because if he has a season just like
he just had, this contract's gonna feel awful. It's gonna
feel terrible, and you did not have to do it.
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So I guess my overall reaction was like most people.
This feels insane. This feels overly aggressive. This feels overly
aggressive for what, like, what race are you running here?
Are you afraid to get? Laugh to pay an extra
two million dollars per year next season? If things go great,
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well great, then we're all feeling good about it. But
right now I'd say, universally around football, I got good
luck to you guys. That seems pretty bold. And that's
where the Lions like gotta feel really really good about
the contract they signed. Obviously, they gave him a big
signing bonus, but they know they can win with a guy.
They've seen him a couple of years ago, win on
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the road in the cold in Green Bay, which is
a huge question with Jared Goff, and he's never gonna
be a great outdoors quarterback, but their don't team, and
their team's really good, and they know for the next
several years they can win with this guy. You cannot
with a straight face say that with a Jacks You
really can't, because if it wasn't for one of the
greatest playoff collapses we've ever seen, led by a guy
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that will never be a head coach ever again, they
wouldn't have a playoff victory. They shouldn't have that playoff victory,
but they do. And listen, Lawrence played really well in
the second half. He showed a lot of mental toughness.
But man, that first half also happened. And that's really
what he's hanging his hat on. Like that game turns
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the ball over at just rapid rates the picks. Here's
the thing with Trevor Lawrence and Andrew luck was somewhat
like this. Like he doesn't have a howitzer. I would
not say that he has a top six seven arm
in the NFL. So his game at the NFL level
is predicated on timing rhythm. You know, he's got to
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play much closer to like Peyton Manning and Philip Rivers
than those guys. And when you watch him play, that's
not really how he plays. The fumbles were atrocious. I
don't know, man, I we always got to be early,
do you, I mean, do you? Couldn't you just take
a deep breath and see where this goes. That's where
I think the biggest winner in this whole thing is
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Dakota Prescott. Now, I could not if I was the
Cowboys sign him to this contract. Couldn't do it. I
have to see how the season goes. Can you win
some playoff games? Can you play better in January? Because
if I'm signing you to this contract, and if anything,
Dak would go this contract, I'm way better in this guy.
And he's not wrong. He's been better than Trevor Lawrence
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for a long period of time, not even debatable. Under
no measure could you make the argument that Trevor Lawrence
is better than Dak Prescott. And obviously Dak's been the league,
playing at a high level for a much longer period
of time than this guy. But I could not do
it if I was the Cowboys. If I have to
pay quote unquote next year a premium after he wins
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three playoff games and we lose in the Super Bowl, great,
that would be a historic moment for the Cowboys, given
that they haven't made it the NFC Championship game since
the mid nineties. But I just don't know how you
pay this money to Dak Prescott because essentially you tie
yourself to him for three four years and you're basically
just cool with doing what you've been doing. At least
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the Jags have the opportunity what could be, Even though
what could be there's a decent chance that never materializes
in anything, Like you do know what Dak is, You're
just kind of hoping that he can have a hot
stretch in the playoffs, which I've said for a while
is definitely possible. We have seen guys who aren't as
good as Dak have incredible stretches in the playoffs. I mean,
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that Flacco stretch is one of the craziest things we've
ever seen. The Eli Manning stretches multiple times. It was
an outlier toward his career. But when you do that,
even if I got to pay you probably more than
I'm comfortable with. Plan. As Brian Winhor says, you never
apologize for championships, and it's true, but ultimately that flack
of contract didn't age well after he won the ring.
(36:34):
But he won the freaking ring. The Cowboys can't even
get to the last weekend of the conference championship. I
just think they're kind of in a weird position now.
I can't imagine that had to be a jolting contract
when it came out for the Cowboys. Brass and I
don't blame them this notion of like, oh they wait
too long. You know, you can make that argument for
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you know, position players. But with Dak at this point
in time, like, I think it's worth waiting. Another guy
who I think is in a weird spot is Jordan Love.
You know, he hasn't made any money in his career
relative to quarterbacks, right, he was a late first round pick.
Instead of getting his fifth year option, he I give
the Packers credit, they kind of offered him this extension
(37:17):
that was way lower than the fifth year option, which
was more than justified. He had never played a snap,
so it was like two years I think eleven or
twelve million dollars, which was a smart contingency plan for them.
But then Jordan Love's last eight games looked unlike anything
we've seen out of Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence has never
had a stretch like that one. Physically, he does not
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possess the arm that Jordan Love does. Jordan Love's eight
game stretch, while a small sample size, did look like
Aaron Rodgers's. That's what it looked like. And then he
went in to Dallas on the road and eviscerated those guys.
But if I'm Jordan Love, because I I played this
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out because if I have another year like the last
eight games, and I'm a Pro Bowl level guy in
the NFC, I'm a one hundred and eighty two hundred million
dollar guy. And if I'm the Packers, based on even
I'm sure I love the guy. I feel very confident
in the guy. I drafted the guy gudha Kins in
the floor. What he showed last year was incredible. I
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still would like a little more before I cut that check.
I'm probably offering more of the Cousins deal, Like, hey man,
we'll give you like forty five million dollars, but it's
we're talking one hundred guaranteed. We ain't sniffing the two
hundred number. If I'm Jordan Love and I'm confident in myself,
now listen, Football's risky guys get injured all the time.
Things change quickly. I go, well, the infrastructure here is
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pretty awesome. My offensive weaponry is pretty bad ass. It's
like the young youngest unit in the league wide receivers
tight end. Now we add Josh Jacobs, Like, I'm feeling
pretty good about my chances. Let's see how the first
eight games go. Then maybe we can talk contract extension
in the middle of the season. Because I would not
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sign a quote unquote team friendly deal, and listen, even
if he signed him to a Kirk Cousins contract, if
that eight games turned out to be just like an
outlier of his career, that'd be a disaster, and that'd
be a disaster fast. But if I'm Jordan Love, I'm
probably feeling pretty confident that I can replicate what I
just did and become one of the best quarterbacks in
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the NFC, because look at his competition, that's the other thing,
and the AFCY is difficult. You got Mahomes, you got
Josh Allen, you got Lamar Jackson, you got Joe Burrow,
you got Justin Herbert, you got studs everywhere in the NFC.
It's like Rock Purty, really good player, good team. Jared
goff McVeigh once kicked them to the curb Dakota Prescott
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because back to dak Like, if I'm the Cowboys, let's
play this out's just see how it goes, and if
we lose in the round one of the maybe it's
just time for us to pivot and you can go
to the Raiders, which I'm sure would be gladly pay
a lot of money because they would die to go
to the playoffs. I'm Jordan Love like I'm taking a
deep breath to what's even to be said at this point?
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How could any human being, including Mike McDaniel, including Stephen Ross,
including any Dolphin fan, be remotely comfortable discussing these type
numbers for this player based on the information we have.
We've seen two straight years. He was banged up two
years ago, which is a concern. It's not his fault
he's getting concussions, but he got him and last year
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just fell apart, crumbled like a cookie. How could you
even entertain discussing any of these numbers. I couldn't. I'm
not acting like he's some scrub. I'm not acting like
the guy should be a backup. But not everyone should
get these amounts of money We've seen in the NBA
for years. It's like, wait, DeMar Derozen and Zach Levine
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make the same amount as Anthony Davis and Steph Curry.
So yet not all contracts are equal, even if the
money is, because some guys have a dramatically bigger impact
than others, and when you pay Patrick Mahomes or Josh
Allen Lamar Jackson a lot of money, those guys.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Are ass kickers.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
When you pay two a lot of money, that just
limit your cap space to have to surround him with
talent because he can't do it by himself. Hell, we
don't even know if he can do it when he
has help in the biggest moments when it gets cold.
So I don't even know what the discussion is there.
To me, it's a no brainer. We're playing this thing
out and last, but not least like rock Perty has
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been objectively better than Trevor Lawrence. The only difference in
the two guys is one guy was the most hype
guy since Andrew Luck and the other guy was a
seventh round mister irrelevant. But on the field, rock Perty's
been a way better player. David Lobardi, who covers the
forty nine ers, tweeted out some statistics, and his agent
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retweeted it. I think the forty nine ers probably can't
be happy with this number either, because now if Brock
Purty is another season like he did last year, Niners
are one of the best teams. He throws thirty plus touchdowns,
they win a couple of playoff games. I remember we're
talking two hundred ten two hundred and fifteen million dollars
a year. That's the price. I mean, that's that's the
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going rate. And the difference of like Tua is like,
this guy's proving it in big games. You're winning with
this guy, and we could argue is pretty good enough.
We still got to see more. I like him. I
think he's been really good, but like I've seen him
play well in big games. I've seen him come through
in big moments. Can't say that about a lot of
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these other guys. Definitely to a Donga Bai Looa same
with Dak Prescott. They falls apart in the playoffs. It's
gonna be awfully interesting and I'm un phazed by like
this money's all relative. It's not like fifty five sounds
so big. No, this is the new number. But just
because it's the new number doesn't mean everyone should get
that number. Doesn't mean every team should sign these long
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term contracts. And we've seen in recent memories some of these.
Russell Wilson has been an utter disaster. It's one of
the worst contracts in NFL history. The guy didn't even
make it through two years. They cut him. They're eating
eighty five million dollars in dead cap space. I've defended Dak.
He got a lot of money, but at least he's
giving you twelve wins a season and giving you a
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couple of home playoff games. Now you losing them, but
at least you're hosting them. Man, NFL contracts got crazy,
and they got crazy fast. Business is booming. No disputing that.
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A huge fan of the Pod, I think you're undervaluing
Ayuk's impact on the Niners offense. Yes, of course CMC
is the most important skill player, but Kyle has never
had more downfield attempts than he has with Purdy and Ayuk.
I understand that your point is Ayuk is never gonna
have as many catches as Amenro, but his impact with
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the ones he does haul in are more valuable. Ayuk
averages seventeen to nine a catch, meaning he would only
have to catch ten more balls to pass Saint Brown's
yardage for twenty twenty three. Maybe one hundred balls may
be too many, but isn't entirely possible that he catches
eighty five to ninety as he continues to build on
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the work he's put in with Purty. Not a huge
advanced stats guy, but Purdy's averaged the most air yards
per attempt this past season, meaning he is pushing the
ball pass the line more than any other quarterback. I
believe Ayuk is a huge reason for this, doesn't having
i Uke's medium to down the field, ability to open
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things up for CMC in the box, his overall yak
monster numbers on the team, and they're new over the
middle slot weapon in Persol. I think Persaoll is going
to be an outside the weapon, my man. I don't
disagree with you that Ayuke's a really good player and
his value is really really high, Like he's a high
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end starting, winning player, But does Kyle think that he
can replace that with someone else? Because where it gets
complicated is, like you said, his impact being threatened down
the field matters, But can I find someone else to
do that for a quarter of the price. Where this
becomes a complicated conversation is he's laughing at twenty six
(45:47):
million dollars he wants thirty million dollars. Well, part of
my offense, like, can I find someone in a draft
in the second round that can ultimately do that? Can
I sign some random free agent for ten million dollars?
They can bring me eighty percent of his value for
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twenty percent of the costs and then my team's better
on defense. That's where this puzzle gets put together. In
a perfect world, the Niners would get rid of you know,
obviously for the next five years. They would rather have
Brandon Ayuke than Deebo Samuel moving forward. But it's a
complicated situation because of the money. I'm not anti Brandon Nyuk.
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I just look at the way Kyle plays and goes
they have. You have to understand too, they have other
question marks moving forward. Trent Williams, one of the best
players in the league, is thirty five years old, So
how are you gonna get another tackle? You're either gonna
trade multiple picks to get move up in a draft
and try to get a guy in the top twenty.
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Maybe if a guy becomes available, you trade a first
round pick and you break them off with a huge contract.
You know, you our various Ward is he gonna be
on the team forever. He's gonna have to buy a corner.
You just your team becomes party's about to get We
just saw what Trevor Lawrence gott Perty's gonna get that
or not? If not more, it becomes a puzzle of
(47:14):
putting money together. It's why the forty nine ers haven't
just handed him this contract. If I was a betting man,
they probably end up paying him. But I do think
these conversations have been long and hard because I, like
you said, his value to the team. You just watched
them play. He's a very valuable player. But is he
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an irreplaceable player. We're gonna find out here in the
next couple months, because if the forty nine Ers don't
extend him and make him play on the contract, then
he's they view him as a replaceable player. If they
end up giving him thirty million dollars a year, then
they don't view it that way. I do think he's not.
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He's never gonna be a top five wide receiver in
the league and paying premiums for god like, I have
no problem given Nick pose a historic deal. He's one
of the best pass persons in the league, Fred Warner,
one of the highest paid linebackers, best linebacker in the league.
When they broke off Kittle, he was one of the
best tight ends in the league. It's really good and
like you said, he's good with the act. He's he's
just a really good player. And again I'm not saying
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Saint Brown, Like, if you could just have a draft,
who would you rather have? I like both players, but
it's easier to justify when I throw one guy one
hundred and twenty passes, the large percentage of my targets
goes through him, and not a large percentage of my
targets go through this guy when I run the ball
a lot, and like you said, you need receivers to
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move the defense around. But personnel groupings was the word
I was looking for earlier. You know, summer brains a
little foggy, drank a little too much last weekend. But yeah,
I mean, I don't I'm not necessarily disagreeing with what
you're saying, but I find these things very complicated. When
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you're talking about paying premium amounts of money for guys
like can we do better? And listen, can you do better?
There's no guarantee you can't, and then you find yourself
where you have a hole at that position. But I
understand the complicated nature, Like Nick Bosa wasn't complicated. It's
basically how much you were gonna end up giving them.
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Christian McCaffrey wanted to raise gotta do it if Trent
Williams goes, I need a race, gotta do it. When
I use says I want thirty plus million dollars a year,
you don't just write that check right away. You have long,
hard conversations. They literally just draft a wide receiver in
the first round. Here's the other thing, like Kittle's been
banged up a lot. Now they're gonna need a new
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tight end. So you just have a lot of needs
and you don't have unlimited draft picks, and when you're good,
you're drafted at the end of the first round, so
it's not like you're getting Julio Jones every year. I
just think these conversations are very, very different. This is
a difficult conversation to have. I understand both sides. This
isn't justin Jeffers where it's like, yeah, it is what
it is ceede lamb aj Brown to the Eagles, this
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is like, God, this guy's really good and we love
the player and he stands for everything we do and
that's why, ultimately probably why they end up eating it.
But I would understand, like, hey, you want thirty, we
want twenty six. We'll give you twenty seven and a half,
but we're not budgeting off that number. Like not every
negotiation is like, well blank check, you sign it, Steph Curry,
you tell me, Aaron Judge, tell me the number, Otani,
(50:31):
how much is it gonna cost? That ain't this? That
ain't this. And that's why I think it's so emotional
because I U sees all these other guys because of
the position, and his team is not like kissing his
feet even though they like him. This is just these
are tough conversations because of the numbers we're talking about,
(50:52):
they're really large, even with the cap going up. It's
Brandon ayuk Worth. It is a legitimate conversation, no matter
what side of the argument or where you stand. So
I'm not I'm not a proponent of trading him, but
if you told me they wanted to play this year out, like,
I don't think that's that crazy either, I really don't.
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And I'd understand it from his side, like fuck you guys,
give him my money, like I get every like this
is a very easy kind of situation to understand all
the sides. I know my guy earlier thinks I'm a
Lamar Jackson hater, like the Ravens, like what are you
gonna do? When they were going back and forth, lamar like,
you don't have a choice. You're gonna pay this guy
(51:37):
an ungodly amount of money, and that's what ultimately ended
up happening. You can see the different scenarios here. That's
that's where I stand on this, Like if I had
to bet he's gonna be on the Niners, if you
had to bet if a new contract, ultimately give him
a new contract, do I think, Yeah, we don't agree
on a number. We want you to play on the
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fifteen million dollar fourteen and a half or whatever the
number is. I can see that trade harder to see
because you'd be trading him for a draft pick who
does not help you now. But been following this league
and sports long enough that you never say never. So
I think at this point in time, until a deal's done,
you have to acknowledge everything's on the table. And one
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guy who you know, some internet fans get mad at
is Mike Silver, Like, I don't know. Mike Silver's down
the Shanahans for thirty plus years, so when he reports
on this stuff, he's kind of been right. So there's
a little bit of an impass, Like there's a number
of the team thinks there's a number he thinks it's bridgeable,
doesn't mean it's gonna happen. The volume
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year with the US Open. I just say this one
seemed a little crazier one of the great golf tournaments
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I've ever seen in my entire life that did not
include Tiger Woods, Bryson and Rory. So I had to
give a few takes on that situation because that was wild.
Trevor Lawrence, who actually had signed the previous week, but
I hadn't had an opportunity to dive into it. I
got some questions, and I don't quite understand the logic,
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even if the Jags, which they clearly do like them
a lot, don't quite understand the rush. But we'll dive
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the Brandon Ayuk Internet sensation. That's what happens when you
vlog you're off season. It's twenty twenty four, this is
nineteen ninety six, so a lot of emotions running high.
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difference here is Rory and Bryson were not in the
same group. Something I think golf needs to figure out. Uh,
just you can place whoever you want in the groups.
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Put Rory and put Bryson in the same group. But
we were lucky today. It didn't really mapp much because
Rory came out the gate swinging Bertie's one and then
gets just lightning hot. He Birdi's nine, he Birdi's ten,
He Bird's twelve, he bird He's thirteen, and everyone on
the internet was like, he's up to with five to play. Well,
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Bryson still had six to play because he was one behind.
Then Bryson knocks it on thirteen Bertie's that and then,
let's face it, I hate using this term because golf's
really hard. I don't care if you're Rory McElroy or
you're me or you it is a difficult sport. It's
hard to make putts, and we have seen some legendary
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choke jobs in this sport. A couple of years ago
at the PGA Championship when Justin Thomas won, Mito Pereira
knocks it in the water. The most legendary one of
all time is John Vandervelt in the open when he
I think triples the last hole ends up going to
a playoff. But for Rory's standard, that was a choke job.
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He blew it three putts sixteen and then the putt
on eighteen, and I thought Brandall nailed it. He said,
listen to the naked eye. That looks like a really
good chip, but that is the wrong spot to leave it.
And meanwhile, Bryson's probably one hundred and fifty yards behind him,
under a tree and against a root. You could tell
Bryson wasn't comfortable. He tried to get a ruling for
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a drop. Thank god, the rules official said you're not
getting a drop, and he basically had to hit in
a bunker, which was gonna be. As he just said
when he received the trophy, it's the best shot of
my life. And for Rory to miss that putt you
almost knew it was inevitable. He lost it right there.
And listen, he's had a chance over these last couple
of years to win a couple majors. You know, he
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lacc he did not make a putt. Same thing with
the British Open a couple of years ago when Cam
Smith won, he could not make a putt. That was
not the case today. I mean early on in the round,
he's draining putts. Bryson bait essentially won the tournament the
first three days because he gave himself elite. He shoots
sixty seven, sixty nine, sixty seven as a three shot
lead coming into today and was able to just kind
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of hold his mud. It's not like he ran away
with it. Hell, he was celebrating incredible up and downs
for Pars And once Bryson knocked it on thirteen, You're like,
Rory doesn't have any margin foreerr And I'll be honest,
I thought he was gonna make it on eighteen, even
though his feet were kind of open, he was kind
of lined up weird and that ball never had a chance.
And then the moment he missed and Bryson hits it
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in the bunker, You're like, Okay, we're going to a
playoff now. Historically, the playoff has always been and there
hasn't been a playoff in the US Open since Tiger
and Roco. I was like, okay, eighteen holes, We're getting
eighteen holes tomorrow. I'm a podcaster. I plan on watching
it all. And then Tarico chimes in it's now a
two hole aggregate. I'm like, okay, we get extra golf.
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I would imagine they just play seventeen and eighteen Rory
de Chambeau, It's going to be incredible. And then Bryson,
that bunker shot he hit on a team was just
freaking remarkable. I mean, once he hit it that close,
there was no way he was missing that putt. And
obviously he doesn't. He wins his second US Open. And
I don't think I can remember anyone in sports we've
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seen guys go the other way. Someone that was really
celebrated obviously had a you know, let's use Lebron as
an example. In Cleveland. He was a rock star. He
had the entire state of Ohio behind him, and then
when he left, he kind of went full heel and
everyone rooted against him. It's very very rare. You see
it baseball sometimes when guys leave teams. You know, we
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saw it back in the Yankees and Red Sox hey day,
when a guy would jump over. This was the opposite.
Bryson was not well liked. People almost rooted against him.
They thought he was a weird dude. And you know,
in the golfing world, he had done things to rub
people the wrong way. Then he bulks up like he's
about to play defensive tackle in the NFL. And then
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he goes to live and he kind of gets skinny,
but he keeps hitting three hundred and fifty three hundred
and sixty yard drives that are still just remarkable to watch.
And now he's fun. And you know what golf has
really missed. And I said this when the live PGA
tour thing happened. One problem is golf just has a
bunch of likable guys, and in any sport, in any
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form of entertainment, you need to have people that I
like rooting for and people that I root against. And
then they took all those guys. But then somehow Bryson
comes storming back, feels like a completely different human being.
Has a YouTube channel that everyone I play golf with
or everyone I meet that follows golf, like, Hey, are
you watching Bryson's YouTube? It's a pretty big deal. It
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gets a lot of use. For example, Live last week
got under two hundred thousand people watching. He does two
hundred thousand people in five hours when he posts a
video on YouTube, and he's become really likable, and then
you watch this whole week how he's playing with the crowd.
One thing Tiger did a really good job of. Now
he was constantly in just these miraculous moments, partly because
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Tiger would spread around and then have the craziest up
and downs you've ever seen. The fist pumps were a
huge part of Tiger's legend, his emotion. You could feel
them when you watched them. Obviously, his resume by the
mid two thousands was unlike anything we'd ever seen beside Jack,
but you felt his presence. Now. Tiger was not high
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fiving people in the gallery, he was not pointing at
the crowd. But when you saw him make a big
putt or have a big moment, he'd pimp that shot
a lot like Bryson did on Whole seventeen, or he
would do the crazy fist you know, up and down
both arms go nuts, and that's what Bryson was doing.
You know why fans like that. It's entertaining, it's fun,
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and that's what Bryson has become. Fun. Scotty, who had
a bad week, he is on one of the greatest
runs we've ever seen. There's not much emotion there. You
don't see much by far, not even close. The most
interesting thing that will probably ever happen to Scottie on
or off the course was getting arrested a month ago
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and going in the orange jumpsuit. But he's not a
big fist bumper. He's not a big you know, lay
it all out there when he does something awesome, and
Bryson's the opposite. And listen, whether you liked him or
you didn't a couple of years ago, when he's on
the screen. I remember when I was young and grew
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up a big San Francsco Giants fan, and Barry Bonds
became very polarizing. Obviously, cream the clear. He looked like
Ray Lewis in his prime. But when he came up
to the plate, everyone stopped to watch. Whether you hated him,
whether you loved him, you had to see it. And
that's kind of what Bryson has become. You just got
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to watch, and then the more you watch, you kind
of find yourself rooting for him. Now, you boy might
have had a little parlay and might have just won
almost you know, twenty k. So I was definitely invested
in his success this weekend. But even if I had
no money on the guy, like a month ago at
the PGA, he was riveting TV. His whole operation is
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unlike anything we've ever seen. Yesterday, he's asked on Saturday
about how he soaks his golf balls in salt water
to find the balance and make sure none of the
golf balls are off. All of his irons are the
same length. Now sometimes he hits like a nine iron
from two hundred yards and you realize, well, his you know,
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the degrees on his clubs are much different than basically
everyone on tour and every normal person that plays golf.
But you're like, what is going on? And he has
these crazy three d irons. He's playing these crazy rope draws.
But here's the thing about Bryson. He's not some golf
creation in the lab. This is one of the I
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would say, most talented golfers of his generation. He went
to SMU as a blue chip high school kid and
became an individual national champion in college. Then he won
the US Amateur. Now he's won multiple US Opens, and
before he went to live it's not like he had
never won on the PGA Tour. He was winning. This
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guy's a winner. He's been a winner since he was
a young guy. This is a blue chip player, a
lot like Rory, an elite talent as a youth and
has carry it through his career. And that's what we're
watching with Bryson, and you're seeing a guy right now
who is in the peak of his powers. If it
wasn't for a couple of bad chips at the Masters,
he would have been right in that thing. He finished
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tied for six. He easily could have won the PGA Championship.
If the PGA Championship would have been seventy five holes
and not seventy two holes, I think he would have won.
Even Xander admitted I wanted no part of a playoff
with Bryson. DeChambeau finish his second. Then he comes to Pinehurst,
which historically with Bryson, you're like, you know, it's much
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more about placement, short game putting, doesn't quite feel well.
Here's the thing with Bryson. His short game is awesome.
I'm not saying he's Brad Faxon or Steve Stricker with
a putter in his hand, but you are much more
confident when that weird stick is in his hand than
you are with Rory McElroy. He is a fantastic putter,
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and you're seeing a guy right now who hasn't figured
out and listen, Scotti. Scheffler is the best player in
the world this week. Remove it, but not debatable. You
could make a very easy argument that Bryson's the second
best player. I mean, Xander is having a fantastic year.
He is an elite player, won the PGA, finish, his
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top ten here, He's in the mix every single week.
He's an elite player. Rory is awesome, Bryson is every
bit there equal. And now what we're seeing is in
these big moments for all these guys with live you know,
here's the thing. For Kopka, it was awesome to watch
him win the PGA Championship last year and get his
fifth major. If I had to set the over under
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on Brooks Keepka's majors moving forward, I'd probably put it
at point five, like, I'm not expecting him to win
another one. If I had to put the over under
even Rory McElroy, Rory's going to win a major. I
feel very very confident on that. Is he gonna end
up with ten? Probably not, But is he more likely
to end up with six than he is where he
sits now at four? Yes, I don't know when he's
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gonna win it, but you put yourself in the mix enough,
like he has several times in the last three years.
Right could have won at LAC, could have won a
British This was easily his best chance. He's gonna win it.
Bryson is winning it. Bryson did get it done. I'd
put his over under on majors for his career, probably
around four and a half, five and a half, somewhere
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in that range, because Bryson, to me, feels like a
five to six major guy much more than he does
a two major guy. He's thirty years old now. The
health on Saturday, he's his hips give him problems because
of the way that he speed trains. But then you
watch him hit, You're like, it doesn't really look like
he's slowing down. It doesn't really look like it faces
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him and his touch around the greens. Obviously what he
did on eighteen out of the sand. If you put
the average like low handicap guy in that spot, I
think there's a pretty good chance most people end up
with double. They either blast the ball way over the
green or they hit it way short than they three
putt that shot. And there was a shot earlier in
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the round was a whole ten where he left it
short of the bunker. And Brandle's like, this is this
is really freaking hard. His lob wedges like five feet
nails it for birdie. And so if you're telling me
a guy they can hit it three hundred and fifty
yards pretty easily. When it came to the driveable thirteenth hole,
Rory hit driver way over. Now he still ends making birdie.
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I was like, why didn't he just hit a three
wood and run it on. Well, what does Bryson do?
Hits a three wood, runs it on easy two putt,
could have been could have been an eagle, and I
think he thought it was in. He left it a
little short. But you have a guy with length we've
never seen in a day and age where everybody is
hitting the ball a mile long. This guy's deeper than
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them all, and honestly, it's not that close. And when
he really gets into it, especially on some of these
courses with these hard paan fairways, he's hitting at like
three hundred and seventy three hundred and eighty yards and
then forever it's like, well, he's got the one leg club,
no touch. How's he gonna work his sand wedge and
his lob wedge. Well, he's clearly got that figured out.
And then he's an elite putter. Now listen, there's a
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lot of talk and golf Twitter read it about the
Olympics and their rules. He can't be in the Olympics.
I do think that's stupid because to me, it'd be
pretty easy if there were no requirements. Who are the
best three American golfers to represent us in Paris? It
would be Scotty, Bryson and Xander They would be the pick. Now,
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Bryson's not gonna get to go. He didn't get to
go the last time because I think he got the
VID right before and Bryson didn't get the jab, so
they didn't let him go. But it's clear and this
is where the world rankings and all that. No one
gives a shit about any of that. Just watch the
guy play. He's when he's on, he's every bit as
good as Rory and Scotty. And one thing Rory just
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can't do for whatever reason, is find a way to
win these tournaments, and Bryson can't. Like Bryson played winning
golf at Valhalla, Xander just made one more putt, but
he didn't lose it like Rory. Who knows if Rory
makes that putt, there is no guarantee that he's gonna
win in extra holes against Bryson. Honestly, there's probably not
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a soul that would have confidence that Rory would take
him down. But at least you would give yourself a
chance and said he didn't he missed it, and listen,
it's golf. Sometimes you missed the those pots. But like
Rory's one of the most talented players in the history
of the game. But it does feel like something's missing
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because he has been on like a two year heater
of just playing at an elite level. Besides Scotty, he's
better than everyone on the PG Tour, and that includes Xander,
But in these big four tournaments, which he's even admitted
it's the only thing he's playing for. It just doesn't happen.
Lacc and the old course, it's like he just couldn't
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make anything. And then today he's draining every fucking putt
from like fifteen to twenty five feet. It feels like
Tiger Woods, You're like, this guy is gonna run away
with this thing. And then you come down the stretch
you three puts sixteen and I think that has to
be I mean, at the level in which and they
were talking about this on the broadcast, the pressure in
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which he's under. Well, yeah, when you're Phil Mickelson, when
you're Tiger Woods now with Scotty Scheffler, like the pressure
you're under is greater than everybody else. It was the
same thing with Steph Curry and Lebron and Peyton and
Tom Like that's part of being the lead dog. That's
part of being you know, the guy carrying the flag
for the sport. You gotta come through in that moment.
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It's not a fifteen footer to force the playoff. Those
miss and make league. I mean sometimes you lip out,
sometimes three footer. You gotta make that putt and you
gotta give yourself an opportunity. Now that being said, everyone's
gonna it's a devastating l for him, which is crazy
because in this sport he didn't lose. He beat literally
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every other person beside Bryson d Chambeau so like and
most people. There were eight guys under par He boat raced,
he destroyed, he ruined like Scottie's the Koepkas. Those guys
couldn't hold his jock this week. But that's not really
what he's gunning for. We see him on a weekly
basis kick most people's butt. It's about coming through and
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making that when it matters the most, and then an
extra hole is finding a way to get it done.
And let's face it, some of these visuals we see
when Rory was a little chubbier and he was wearing
the Oakley, it doesn't mean much to most. Now it's
on his resume. It's why he's become such a legend
over the years because he won the major so early.
But we're living in twenty twenty four and we're going
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on a guy who's approached his mid thirties. Like I said,
I think he's gonna win more majors. You can't be
in the mix this often be that good and have
the ability to play so many different courses and contend
and not eventually have it fall your way. Xander is
a great example. Xander was like, he's never gonna get
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over the hump. He's never gonna get over the hump. Well,
if you're in the mix fifty percent of the time
for a seven year stretch, eventually some of the things
are gonna break your way. So over the next three years,
if I was a betting man, Rory mcroy's gonna win
another major. But this one stinks, this one hurts, and
this one, to me is dramatically worse than when he
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essentially lost to camp Smith and lost to Wyndam Clark.
This one has to be And he declined. They tried
to interview him after he declined, which I don't blame him.
Got to be pretty rattled, and Rory's the last guy
to get on for, you know, not being gracious with
the media and all that stuff. But you saw in
a two hour span Bryson stole this thing because he
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had him He had himself a little cushion and then
it was kind of coming off the rails and he
just grinded and he found a way and now it
feels like he's a little bit of the people's champ.
And I've said this on Instagram because some of these videos,
he feels like the new Phil, high fiving people, signing
people's hats, mid round, pointing at the crowd. There is
just something. And there were a lot of stories over
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the years like Phil's kind of a snake oil salesman.
Phil is kind of a phony. None of the fans cared,
you know why, because Phil wasn't enjoyable to watch. Phil
was entering And that's what this is. This is entertainment. Now.
Part of what adds to your legend as a golfer,
It's what made Tiger Sitch a legend, is it felt
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like he never choked, he never blew it. And Phil
went through a stretch where he screwed up a lot,
and a guy with six majors, you know, Phil could
have about fifteen, but that added to the Phil story.
So this moment for Rory is shitty as it feels
it's way better than finishing eleventh and having seven of
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your shots shown on Sunday. But I can't imagine for
a guy who is just who's just playing four majors,
now like once Brady got to like four or five,
is like he's only playing for super Bowls. That's not
like the Mahomes and Andy Reid Chiffield. The only thing
that matters I said this one. The schedule cames out
doing win loss or travel or they got to go
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east to west or none of that matters anymore. There
is there's one schedule that is completely irrelevant in the NFL,
and that's chief schedule because they're only games that matter.
I'm not saying we won't watch and we won't talk
about it, but as we've seen the last couple of years,
games in October and games in November are relevant. They
do not matter. They get judged purely on January games.
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That's it. That's the only and they're the only team
in the NFL that can say that. And I think
Rory probably more than anyone, even more than Scotty Scheffler,
is only judged on these weeks. No one cares, and
whether it's fair or not, when he wins the Memorial
or if he wins one of these playoff events, or
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if he ends up winning the FedEx and taking down Scotty,
it just does not matter. And I also think that's
a cool part of sports. When you get to that level,
you're just judged, you know, at the highest level of
your profession in your sport, whether it's like, listen, I
got a little money on the oilers, like McDavid. At
this point in time, everyone knows he's Hall of Fame talent.
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He's gonna win all these MVPs, He's dominating everyone. He's
just judged on the playoffs and can he win a
Stanley Cup? And because Rory banks him early, he doesn't
have like the ghost of can this guy ever win it?
But he does have is a guy ever gonna win one? Again?
And listen, you know where I stand. But you see
moments like today and you're like, if you were on
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the side of the argument, he's never gonna get it done.
I don't know what I could come back besides just well, statistically,
it would show if you just stay in the mix,
because like today's a good example of the eighteenth toll
and they both neither of them hit the fairway and
one guy ends up with a five and one guy
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ends up with a four, And let's face it, Rory's
up and down in theory should be a lot easier,
but he left the ball above the hole to the
left and had a tricky little putt. Bryson, meanwhile, leaves
it below the hole, knocks it in, and I thought,
I thought, the whole Bryson experience is everything I want
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as a sports fan. Okay, Trevor Lawrence. My first reaction was,
holy shit, that is insanity. And several days later, I
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haven't changed my opinion that much. And I think the
conventional wisdom when it comes to these contracts is the
price only goes up, it can only go up. That's
actually not true. Stocks, for example, which players I think
have a lot in comparison to You're either ascending or
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you're descending. You're either going up or you're going down.
You're not guaranteed to get better. Just because I buy
something that's going up doesn't mean that it can't come down. Right,
just because you buy something that's low doesn't mean it
can't fly up. We see it all the time in football,
see it all the time in sports. He signed guys
to low contracts and they fall out seed and exceed
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those expectations of the money you're paying them. And we
have a long list of guys, especially in football, that
you pay a lot of money to and do not
live up to the contract. I'll defend over paying guys
in free agency because typically they have a five, potentially
a six year body of work. You have seen what
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they have done. This is essentially buying that it's going
to get dramatically better than what it's been now. Unlike
a lot of people I think, like on the internet,
I don't just think Trevor Lawrence sucks like this guy
over it. It's not really debatable that he has not
lived up to the hype, not even close Andrew Locke.
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By year three, you knew the guy was a rocket ship.
He literally was rattling off playoff victories with a pretty
average roster. And let's face it, a joke of a
head coach Trevor Lawrence last year. And here's where I knew,
Like at the combine, all these coaches in the media
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kind of area where they do their press conferences are
just kind of lingering around. You can bullshit with him.
And I've known Doug since I worked with him with
the Eagles, and we were just shooting the shit talking
about his kids, and I started asking them about Trevor
Lawrence and he loves them, and it was not like
he had no reason to lie to me. I mean
we were just kind of bssing, and it was clear like,
I don't think he's joking. He really likes them, and
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clearly by the jags of actions, they really liked the guy.
And I'm all four really liking the guy and really
believing in the guy. But wouldn't you rather pay an
extra fifteen percent of what you're willing to pay right
now to just feel really good about this? You just
guaranteed him almost one hundred and fifty million dollars the
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moment he signed his contract. The overall practical guarantees are
two hundred million dollars. Like, if I'm going to sign
one of those contracts, I can't have any questions. Even
if you're not Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers,
I still gotta feel pretty good about you. This is
where I go to the Lions. Could Jared Goff today
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think that he kind of got screwed because there is
no number on a contract. If I'm Jared Goff that
should be lower than what Trevor Lawrence signs for. This
is not about hype. This is not about what people
projected me to be in this notion, and listen, I
like Albert Breer a lot, and I don't think he's
wrong here. This contract represents what they think he's gonna be.
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I think that's a crazy mindset to have. That's why
you have draft picks. I'm drafting this guy number one overall,
number seven overall, number fifteen overall because of what I
think he's gonna be in the next four or five years.
When I sign a guy to a contract, obviously, when
you're a younger player under twenty five twenty six years old,
there's still room for growth, but you gotta be a
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large percentage of what you're gonna be. I've already had
to experience. His best year was two years ago. He
threw twenty five touchdowns. Last year was an utter disaster,
and I think the Jags would say, well, he was
banged up, Well, okay, can he play a season healthy
and throw thirty five touchdowns? Can he be clearly one
of the best six to seven quarterbacks in the NFL?
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Not a guy that many would say guy. There are
a lot of weeks where he's not even a top
twenty guy. I never understand. Let's just see a little
more when you have a lot of questions. All for
Micah Parsons right now, after year three, if the Cowboys
want to give him an astronomical amount of money, get it.
I have seen him play at a really high level
for a long period of time. Right now, if he
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just maintains what he's been, we're in good shape. Obviously,
you want him to improve, as you would with any
young employee in any industry. But anytime you gotta guess,
like God, I hope this works out. That's crazy when
you pay I mean just premium amounts of money. Now,
Jared Goff did get double the amount of a signing bonus.
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Trevor Lawrence got thirty seven million dollars the MOMENC he
signed a contract, which is a lot of money to
ninety nine point ninety nine percent of people. Jared Goff
got seventy three million dollars. Anyone that's taken any you know,
business or economic classes, time value money. You'd rather have
money up front. Obviously, with how much hit costs and inflation,
I mean the dollars lost what twenty percent of its
value in like three year span, So big win for
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Jared Goff, But when it comes to overall guarantees, there's
a pretty wide gap there. So if I'm Jared Goff,
I'm probably not losing much sleep over this, but it's
kind of crazy. I also don't quite understand if I'm
the Jags the moment Jared Goff signs his contract, whose
resume is dramatically better, who's been doing it for a
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much longer period of time, also a number one pick.
Also a number one pick who has several seasons at
a really high level that has led his team and
put his team in the position to win a Super Bowl.
Wouldn't you like to see just one season, like, Hey,
coming off a rough year, let's bounce back. See if
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you can win us ten to eleven games, have us
back in the playoffs. Then we'll feel very comfortable doing
this because we bought into the hype when we drafted you.
We obviously really like the person which matters at quarterback,
The character of the work ethic, all that stuff is
a part that's hard for us to quantify on the outside,
which obviously they like, which I understand. But this is
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a production based business. You have to produce on the field.
Like I don't know, if you're one of the great
prospects of all time and have all this talent. He's like, wow,
we don't have the receivers. I don't know. You should
be able to throw thirty touchdowns in seventeen games in
the way this game is officiated in twenty twenty four.
So I'm not trying to act like I wouldn't want
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this guy on my team. But I don't ever understand
the rush to sign guys. I would understand if he
was going into his franchise tag year or he was
a true free agent. You're like, a, he had our
back against the wall. We just what were we gonna do? Okay,
I get it, it was a weird position. You're kind
of stuck. You're not stuck at all. Pick up his
fifth year option, plays his fourth year, and let's evaluate
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another season like this number, this notion that it's only
gonna go up. Well, what if he has another season
just like he just had? Would you feel comfortable doing
that again? Because if he has a season just like
he just had, this contract's gonna feel awful. It's gonna
feel terrible, and you did not have to do it.
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So I guess my overall reaction was like most people.
This feels insane. This feels overly aggressive. This feels overly
aggressive for what, like, what race are you running here?
Are you afraid to get? Laugh to pay an extra
two million dollars per year next season? If things go great,
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well great, then we're all feeling good about it. But
right now I'd say, universally around football, I got good
luck to you guys. That seems pretty bold. And that's
where the Lions like gotta feel really really good about
the contract they signed. Obviously, they gave him a big
signing bonus, but they know they can win with a guy.
They've seen him a couple of years ago, win on
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the road in the cold in Green Bay, which is
a huge question with Jared Goff, and he's never gonna
be a great outdoors quarterback, but their don't team, and
their team's really good, and they know for the next
several years they can win with this guy. You cannot
with a straight face say that with a Jacks You
really can't, because if it wasn't for one of the
greatest playoff collapses we've ever seen, led by a guy
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that will never be a head coach ever again, they
wouldn't have a playoff victory. They shouldn't have that playoff victory,
but they do. And listen, Lawrence played really well in
the second half. He showed a lot of mental toughness.
But man, that first half also happened. And that's really
what he's hanging his hat on. Like that game turns
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the ball over at just rapid rates the picks. Here's
the thing with Trevor Lawrence and Andrew luck was somewhat
like this. Like he doesn't have a howitzer. I would
not say that he has a top six seven arm
in the NFL. So his game at the NFL level
is predicated on timing rhythm. You know, he's got to
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play much closer to like Peyton Manning and Philip Rivers
than those guys. And when you watch him play, that's
not really how he plays. The fumbles were atrocious. I
don't know, man, I we always got to be early,
do you, I mean, do you? Couldn't you just take
a deep breath and see where this goes. That's where
I think the biggest winner in this whole thing is
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Dakota Prescott. Now, I could not if I was the
Cowboys sign him to this contract. Couldn't do it. I
have to see how the season goes. Can you win
some playoff games? Can you play better in January? Because
if I'm signing you to this contract, and if anything,
Dak would go this contract, I'm way better in this guy.
And he's not wrong. He's been better than Trevor Lawrence
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for a long period of time, not even debatable. Under
no measure could you make the argument that Trevor Lawrence
is better than Dak Prescott. And obviously Dak's been the league,
playing at a high level for a much longer period
of time than this guy. But I could not do
it if I was the Cowboys. If I have to
pay quote unquote next year a premium after he wins
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three playoff games and we lose in the Super Bowl, great,
that would be a historic moment for the Cowboys, given
that they haven't made it the NFC Championship game since
the mid nineties. But I just don't know how you
pay this money to Dak Prescott because essentially you tie
yourself to him for three four years and you're basically
just cool with doing what you've been doing. At least
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the Jags have the opportunity what could be, Even though
what could be there's a decent chance that never materializes
in anything, Like you do know what Dak is, You're
just kind of hoping that he can have a hot
stretch in the playoffs, which I've said for a while
is definitely possible. We have seen guys who aren't as
good as Dak have incredible stretches in the playoffs. I mean,
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that Flacco stretch is one of the craziest things we've
ever seen. The Eli Manning stretches multiple times. It was
an outlier toward his career. But when you do that,
even if I got to pay you probably more than
I'm comfortable with. Plan. As Brian Winhor says, you never
apologize for championships, and it's true, but ultimately that flack
of contract didn't age well after he won the ring.
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But he won the freaking ring. The Cowboys can't even
get to the last weekend of the conference championship. I
just think they're kind of in a weird position now.
I can't imagine that had to be a jolting contract
when it came out for the Cowboys. Brass and I
don't blame them this notion of like, oh they wait
too long. You know, you can make that argument for
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you know, position players. But with Dak at this point
in time, like, I think it's worth waiting. Another guy
who I think is in a weird spot is Jordan Love.
You know, he hasn't made any money in his career
relative to quarterbacks, right, he was a late first round pick.
Instead of getting his fifth year option, he I give
the Packers credit, they kind of offered him this extension
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that was way lower than the fifth year option, which
was more than justified. He had never played a snap,
so it was like two years I think eleven or
twelve million dollars, which was a smart contingency plan for them.
But then Jordan Love's last eight games looked unlike anything
we've seen out of Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence has never
had a stretch like that one. Physically, he does not
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possess the arm that Jordan Love does. Jordan Love's eight
game stretch, while a small sample size, did look like
Aaron Rodgers's. That's what it looked like. And then he
went in to Dallas on the road and eviscerated those guys.
But if I'm Jordan Love, because I I played this
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out because if I have another year like the last
eight games, and I'm a Pro Bowl level guy in
the NFC, I'm a one hundred and eighty two hundred million
dollar guy. And if I'm the Packers, based on even
I'm sure I love the guy. I feel very confident
in the guy. I drafted the guy gudha Kins in
the floor. What he showed last year was incredible. I
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still would like a little more before I cut that check.
I'm probably offering more of the Cousins deal, Like, hey man,
we'll give you like forty five million dollars, but it's
we're talking one hundred guaranteed. We ain't sniffing the two
hundred number. If I'm Jordan Love and I'm confident in myself,
now listen, Football's risky guys get injured all the time.
Things change quickly. I go, well, the infrastructure here is
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pretty awesome. My offensive weaponry is pretty bad ass. It's
like the young youngest unit in the league wide receivers
tight end. Now we add Josh Jacobs, Like, I'm feeling
pretty good about my chances. Let's see how the first
eight games go. Then maybe we can talk contract extension
in the middle of the season. Because I would not
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sign a quote unquote team friendly deal, and listen, even
if he signed him to a Kirk Cousins contract, if
that eight games turned out to be just like an
outlier of his career, that'd be a disaster, and that'd
be a disaster fast. But if I'm Jordan Love, I'm
probably feeling pretty confident that I can replicate what I
just did and become one of the best quarterbacks in
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the NFC, because look at his competition, that's the other thing,
and the AFCY is difficult. You got Mahomes, you got
Josh Allen, you got Lamar Jackson, you got Joe Burrow,
you got Justin Herbert, you got studs everywhere in the NFC.
It's like Rock Purty, really good player, good team. Jared
goff McVeigh once kicked them to the curb Dakota Prescott
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because back to dak Like, if I'm the Cowboys, let's
play this out's just see how it goes, and if
we lose in the round one of the maybe it's
just time for us to pivot and you can go
to the Raiders, which I'm sure would be gladly pay
a lot of money because they would die to go
to the playoffs. I'm Jordan Love like I'm taking a
deep breath to what's even to be said at this point?
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How could any human being, including Mike McDaniel, including Stephen Ross,
including any Dolphin fan, be remotely comfortable discussing these type
numbers for this player based on the information we have.
We've seen two straight years. He was banged up two
years ago, which is a concern. It's not his fault
he's getting concussions, but he got him and last year
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just fell apart, crumbled like a cookie. How could you
even entertain discussing any of these numbers. I couldn't. I'm
not acting like he's some scrub. I'm not acting like
the guy should be a backup. But not everyone should
get these amounts of money We've seen in the NBA
for years. It's like, wait, DeMar Derozen and Zach Levine
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make the same amount as Anthony Davis and Steph Curry.
So yet not all contracts are equal, even if the
money is, because some guys have a dramatically bigger impact
than others, and when you pay Patrick Mahomes or Josh
Allen Lamar Jackson a lot of money, those guys.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Are ass kickers.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
When you pay two a lot of money, that just
limit your cap space to have to surround him with
talent because he can't do it by himself. Hell, we
don't even know if he can do it when he
has help in the biggest moments when it gets cold.
So I don't even know what the discussion is there.
To me, it's a no brainer. We're playing this thing
out and last, but not least like rock Perty has
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been objectively better than Trevor Lawrence. The only difference in
the two guys is one guy was the most hype
guy since Andrew Luck and the other guy was a
seventh round mister irrelevant. But on the field, rock Perty's
been a way better player. David Lobardi, who covers the
forty nine ers, tweeted out some statistics, and his agent
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retweeted it. I think the forty nine ers probably can't
be happy with this number either, because now if Brock
Purty is another season like he did last year, Niners
are one of the best teams. He throws thirty plus touchdowns,
they win a couple of playoff games. I remember we're
talking two hundred ten two hundred and fifteen million dollars
a year. That's the price. I mean, that's that's the
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going rate. And the difference of like Tua is like,
this guy's proving it in big games. You're winning with
this guy, and we could argue is pretty good enough.
We still got to see more. I like him. I
think he's been really good, but like I've seen him
play well in big games. I've seen him come through
in big moments. Can't say that about a lot of
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these other guys. Definitely to a Donga Bai Looa same
with Dak Prescott. They falls apart in the playoffs. It's
gonna be awfully interesting and I'm un phazed by like
this money's all relative. It's not like fifty five sounds
so big. No, this is the new number. But just
because it's the new number doesn't mean everyone should get
that number. Doesn't mean every team should sign these long
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term contracts. And we've seen in recent memories some of these.
Russell Wilson has been an utter disaster. It's one of
the worst contracts in NFL history. The guy didn't even
make it through two years. They cut him. They're eating
eighty five million dollars in dead cap space. I've defended Dak.
He got a lot of money, but at least he's
giving you twelve wins a season and giving you a
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couple of home playoff games. Now you losing them, but
at least you're hosting them. Man, NFL contracts got crazy,
and they got crazy fast. Business is booming. No disputing that.
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A huge fan of the Pod, I think you're undervaluing
Ayuk's impact on the Niners offense. Yes, of course CMC
is the most important skill player, but Kyle has never
had more downfield attempts than he has with Purdy and Ayuk.
I understand that your point is Ayuk is never gonna
have as many catches as Amenro, but his impact with
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the ones he does haul in are more valuable. Ayuk
averages seventeen to nine a catch, meaning he would only
have to catch ten more balls to pass Saint Brown's
yardage for twenty twenty three. Maybe one hundred balls may
be too many, but isn't entirely possible that he catches
eighty five to ninety as he continues to build on
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the work he's put in with Purty. Not a huge
advanced stats guy, but Purdy's averaged the most air yards
per attempt this past season, meaning he is pushing the
ball pass the line more than any other quarterback. I
believe Ayuk is a huge reason for this, doesn't having
i Uke's medium to down the field, ability to open
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things up for CMC in the box, his overall yak
monster numbers on the team, and they're new over the
middle slot weapon in Persol. I think Persaoll is going
to be an outside the weapon, my man. I don't
disagree with you that Ayuke's a really good player and
his value is really really high, Like he's a high
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end starting, winning player, But does Kyle think that he
can replace that with someone else? Because where it gets
complicated is, like you said, his impact being threatened down
the field matters, But can I find someone else to
do that for a quarter of the price. Where this
becomes a complicated conversation is he's laughing at twenty six
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million dollars he wants thirty million dollars. Well, part of
my offense, like, can I find someone in a draft
in the second round that can ultimately do that? Can
I sign some random free agent for ten million dollars?
They can bring me eighty percent of his value for
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twenty percent of the costs and then my team's better
on defense. That's where this puzzle gets put together. In
a perfect world, the Niners would get rid of you know,
obviously for the next five years. They would rather have
Brandon Ayuke than Deebo Samuel moving forward. But it's a
complicated situation because of the money. I'm not anti Brandon Nyuk.
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I just look at the way Kyle plays and goes
they have. You have to understand too, they have other
question marks moving forward. Trent Williams, one of the best
players in the league, is thirty five years old, So
how are you gonna get another tackle? You're either gonna
trade multiple picks to get move up in a draft
and try to get a guy in the top twenty.
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Maybe if a guy becomes available, you trade a first
round pick and you break them off with a huge contract.
You know, you our various Ward is he gonna be
on the team forever. He's gonna have to buy a corner.
You just your team becomes party's about to get We
just saw what Trevor Lawrence gott Perty's gonna get that
or not? If not more, it becomes a puzzle of
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putting money together. It's why the forty nine ers haven't
just handed him this contract. If I was a betting man,
they probably end up paying him. But I do think
these conversations have been long and hard because I, like
you said, his value to the team. You just watched
them play. He's a very valuable player. But is he
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an irreplaceable player. We're gonna find out here in the
next couple months, because if the forty nine Ers don't
extend him and make him play on the contract, then
he's they view him as a replaceable player. If they
end up giving him thirty million dollars a year, then
they don't view it that way. I do think he's not.
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He's never gonna be a top five wide receiver in
the league and paying premiums for god like, I have
no problem given Nick pose a historic deal. He's one
of the best pass persons in the league, Fred Warner,
one of the highest paid linebackers, best linebacker in the league.
When they broke off Kittle, he was one of the
best tight ends in the league. It's really good and
like you said, he's good with the act. He's he's
just a really good player. And again I'm not saying
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Saint Brown, Like, if you could just have a draft,
who would you rather have? I like both players, but
it's easier to justify when I throw one guy one
hundred and twenty passes, the large percentage of my targets
goes through him, and not a large percentage of my
targets go through this guy when I run the ball
a lot, and like you said, you need receivers to
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move the defense around. But personnel groupings was the word
I was looking for earlier. You know, summer brains a
little foggy, drank a little too much last weekend. But yeah,
I mean, I don't I'm not necessarily disagreeing with what
you're saying, but I find these things very complicated. When
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you're talking about paying premium amounts of money for guys
like can we do better? And listen, can you do better?
There's no guarantee you can't, and then you find yourself
where you have a hole at that position. But I
understand the complicated nature, Like Nick Bosa wasn't complicated. It's
basically how much you were gonna end up giving them.
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Christian McCaffrey wanted to raise gotta do it if Trent
Williams goes, I need a race, gotta do it. When
I use says I want thirty plus million dollars a year,
you don't just write that check right away. You have long,
hard conversations. They literally just draft a wide receiver in
the first round. Here's the other thing, like Kittle's been
banged up a lot. Now they're gonna need a new
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tight end. So you just have a lot of needs
and you don't have unlimited draft picks, and when you're good,
you're drafted at the end of the first round, so
it's not like you're getting Julio Jones every year. I
just think these conversations are very, very different. This is
a difficult conversation to have. I understand both sides. This
isn't justin Jeffers where it's like, yeah, it is what
it is ceede lamb aj Brown to the Eagles, this
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is like, God, this guy's really good and we love
the player and he stands for everything we do and
that's why, ultimately probably why they end up eating it.
But I would understand, like, hey, you want thirty, we
want twenty six. We'll give you twenty seven and a half,
but we're not budgeting off that number. Like not every
negotiation is like, well blank check, you sign it, Steph Curry,
you tell me, Aaron Judge, tell me the number, Otani,
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how much is it gonna cost? That ain't this? That
ain't this. And that's why I think it's so emotional
because I U sees all these other guys because of
the position, and his team is not like kissing his
feet even though they like him. This is just these
are tough conversations because of the numbers we're talking about,
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they're really large, even with the cap going up. It's
Brandon ayuk Worth. It is a legitimate conversation, no matter
what side of the argument or where you stand. So
I'm not I'm not a proponent of trading him, but
if you told me they wanted to play this year out, like,
I don't think that's that crazy either, I really don't.
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And I'd understand it from his side, like fuck you guys,
give him my money, like I get every like this
is a very easy kind of situation to understand all
the sides. I know my guy earlier thinks I'm a
Lamar Jackson hater, like the Ravens, like what are you
gonna do? When they were going back and forth, lamar like,
you don't have a choice. You're gonna pay this guy
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an ungodly amount of money, and that's what ultimately ended
up happening. You can see the different scenarios here. That's
that's where I stand on this, Like if I had
to bet he's gonna be on the Niners, if you
had to bet if a new contract, ultimately give him
a new contract, do I think, Yeah, we don't agree
on a number. We want you to play on the
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fifteen million dollar fourteen and a half or whatever the
number is. I can see that trade harder to see
because you'd be trading him for a draft pick who
does not help you now. But been following this league
and sports long enough that you never say never. So
I think at this point in time, until a deal's done,
you have to acknowledge everything's on the table. And one
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guy who you know, some internet fans get mad at
is Mike Silver, Like, I don't know. Mike Silver's down
the Shanahans for thirty plus years, so when he reports
on this stuff, he's kind of been right. So there's
a little bit of an impass, Like there's a number
of the team thinks there's a number he thinks it's bridgeable,
doesn't mean it's gonna happen. The volume
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