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January 10, 2025 • 37 mins

Colin reacts to Notre Dame's win over Penn State to advance to the National Championship and why it was a clear coaching mismatch between Marcus Freeman & James Franklin. He gives his 5 best NFL bets for the Wild Card Round of the playoffs. Plus, 3-time National Champion Urban Meyer joins the show to give his thoughts on Notre Dame's run from a loss to Northern Illinois to the National Championship

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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Oh, we got a Friday. We got a Friday, all right,
live in Los Angeles. It's the Herd wherever you may
be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making
us part of your day. One hour from now, Urban
Meyer stops by Ohio, State and Texas will not look
like last night. It will be a fireworks show. Although
I thought last night was exactly why college football is amazing,

(00:51):
bad officiating, nervous quarterbacks, a team that lost in Northern
Illinois earlier now is rising. I thought last night was
just a flawed, messy, fantastic newt Rockney feeling moment for
Notre Dame. Jamck and I watched it together, knocked down

(01:13):
some waters and great food. That was a wild one. Yeah,
it was.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
I mean, I lost the under which is feeling great
for three quarters. Oh yeah, But you know when it's
a great game like that, you can't be all right.
So Notre Dame moves to the national Championship. I think
James Franklin is a good football coach, but he got
out coached his twelve straight loss to a top five
team just at Penn State, and in big games, the

(01:39):
little things matter. There was a million excuses for Notre Dame.
First of all, they had two balls interception intercepted. They
were both taken away on penalties. One of them the
worst calls I've ever seen in a huge game. They
called a pass interference on a wildly underthrown ball, and
again both picks that I'm showing you here got called back.

(02:02):
Their quarterback got hurt in the first half. People thought
he was concussed. Their running backs planned about fifty sixty percent.
They've got injuries all over their offensive line. They fell behind,
yet they were amazing on third down. They had very
few penalties, they had very specific plans on their final drive,
and in every big third down or every big down defensively,

(02:27):
they were completely buttoned up. Marcus Freeman, to me, feels
like you're watching the college version of Sean McVay. The energy,
the presence, the intensity, the way his team believes in him.
He's like the classic player coach, Like you almost wonder
if they could use him at like safety. He's got

(02:47):
that physical presence and the players love him. And this
team lost to Northern Illinois at home, and you got
to remember about Marcus Freeman.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
I'll get to this in a bit, but this guy
his first home game when he got the job, when
he was thirty five, he lost to Marshall. What they
have done at Notre Dame is a direct correlation and
reflection on Marcus Freeman. This guy is a rock star.
They're all banged up, and I thought it was fascinating
at the end of the game. James Franklin's a good coach,

(03:16):
but he can't learn from his mistakes. They make too
many in big games. I mean, they had eight guys
on the field in that final Notre Dame field. Goalkick,
Why are you throwing the ball with thirty three seconds
left in that game? What are you doing? I mean,
you don't trust your quarterback. He didn't complete a ball
to the receivers all night. You ran before that, so
you kind of wanted to get to overtime. When I

(03:38):
watched Notre Dame's final drive, I saw you seven plays
twenty six seconds, using time out, using Riley Leonard. There
was a absolute plan on how to use this big
I like this kid way more than everybody else. Apparently
I see a little bit of Josh Allen, maybe just
a little bit. But they had a specific plan. It
looked like Penn State decided, hey, let's go to overtime.

(04:00):
Wait what we gained twelve yards, Hey, let's go for it.
That's not a plan. That's just making crap up as
you go. So I thought that, and again I'm not
anti James Franklin, but what you saw was a specific,
buttoned up smart team. Injuries, O line injuries, running back.
We thought the quarterback was Cancuss. Two picks taken away,

(04:22):
one an agregious call. If Notre Dame would have lost,
you'd literally, as a Notre Dame fan, be like, man,
we couldn't get a break. We're falling apart here physically,
and yet they won. So what I saw in this
game was two young quarterbacks with talent, both a little nervous,
two strong defenses, two huge brands, two limited passing at

(04:45):
tax down the field, especially for Penn State. But one
head coach that everybody in America with one five star recruit,
one is playing in the National Championship. You go to
Georgia Bama, they'se teams the last couple of years. Ohio State,
Notre Dame, it's different. The rosters are different, Texas, Notre Dame,

(05:06):
the rosters are different. How is Notre Dame here? They're
here because of the coach, And why did Penn State lose?
Here's their coach.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
Everybody wants to pick out a specific play. There's probably
eight to twelve plays in that game that if we
could have found a way to make a few more
plays in that game, and we're that close, right, it's
a game of inches.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Now, it's a game of decisions, And there was one play.
Go watch the final drives. Penn State should not have
thrown that ball. They had not completed the pastor receivers.
You could tell they really didn't trust their quarterback a lot.
That's a long way to go against an excellent secondary

(05:55):
and a very well coached team that was making it
up as you go. And I want to talk about
Marcus Freeman here because first of all, Notre Dame is
doing it the right way. When he took over for
Brian Kelly, I was like, he's a great recruiter, but
he's thirty five, he's a defensive coach. I'm not sure
if this is gonna work. He went nine to four,

(06:17):
ten and three, fourteen and one, and now he is
five and one in Bowl games. But what's more redeeming
about it? In my opinion? He went zero to three
to start, and he lost his first game at home
at Notre Dame to Marshall. Right, right right, think about that.
And this year they lost to Northern Illinois. And this

(06:38):
is a great life lesson for young people and young
coaches and young athletes. I've said this about Michael Jordan.
I mean Michael Jordan struggled with his owner, his GM,
Dennis Rodman, his first couple of coaches, the Pistons, the Celtics.
Life is hard. You gotta believe in yourself, and if
you believe in yourself, young people around you will believe

(07:01):
in you. We talk about this all the time about
players developing. What you have watched with Marcus Freeman is
a young coach developing. He probably wasn't quite ready to
be Notre Dame's coach the first two months he got
the job, thirty five year old coach. That is a
that's not just a job. Notre Dame's got academic umbrellas.

(07:24):
It's a really tough job. I mean, Brian Kelly was
successful into Notre Dame, and Brian Kelly stumbled a lot
in his first several years, and he'd been a successful
coach previously. This isn't Marcus Furman's first Marcus Damon's first job.
Your first head coaching job is Notre Dame. You know

(07:46):
how many guys have failed at Notre Dame that have
previous winning experience. And I don't think he probably was
quite ready in the first few weeks. But I'm watching
a rock star here. I see Sean McVay. That's exactly
what I see, chest out, big energy, talking to the refts,
motivating players. Notre Dame had every reason to lose last night,

(08:07):
and I'm telling you that pass interference call that took
away the interception of the end zone was awful. You
can't call pi a football as wildly overthrown or wildly underthrown.
You can't call that. Here's Marcus after.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
But these guys are resilient and they found a way
to make a play when it matters the most. And
that's what, again is to me what great teams, great organizations.
They're able to at that moment that they need to
do their job or make a play, they do it
and the last play doesn't matter. There's unpredictable things that
happen all the time, and they find a way to

(08:47):
make it work.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Just to give you more context, it is harder to
get into Notre Dame. And then once you're in Notre Dame,
the workload for student athletes is as hard as maybe
any not called Stanford. I mean it's hard. They can't
take anybody. Think about this. Texas is gonna play for
the right to go to the national championship tonight. They

(09:09):
have eleven five star athletes. Ohio State's playing Texas they
have fourteen. Okay, Georgia just got beat by Notre Dame.
They had fourteen five star recruits. Notre Dame's got one.
It is virtually unheard of to be playing for a
national championship with one elite five star recruit. And this

(09:33):
program also in this world of the transfer portal and
nil players don't transfer out a Notre Dame. They go in,
they buy in, they stay in. That was a coaching
masterpiece last night. On a game where you got banged
up players and bad calls and you're playing a good team.
And I mean I watched that game. I'm not so
sure Penn State doesn't have more good players. I mean,

(09:54):
I watched it last night. I'm like, halfway through that game,
I'm like, I think I picked the wrong team. I
think Penn State's got better players. I mean, that Carter kid,
you can't block him all that tight end. That kid's insane.
They got him throwing passes. Coaching rock star Marcus Freeman,
J Mac, that is what college football is all about.
It was flawed. It had wards, it had pimples, it

(10:17):
had everything. It had a motion. I had fun.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Watch Marcus Freeman. You're right, man, he is the winner.
If I'm the Chicago Bears of some of these other
teams in the NFL, I'm just waiting until Notre Dame's
done the championship.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
That was like LinkedIn on TV. That was a resume.
Here's what you want as a coach.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
I can't believe there's no camera in the locker room
to find out what the halftime speech was. Because Notre Dame,
after getting blitzed in the first half, they dominated well.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
They came out in the second half and run the
ball Ryan. They just got very physical run the ball
between the tackles us Riley Leonard, and they got a break.
One of the breaks they got his Penn State had
a couple of defensive backs fall down on a big play.
I mean, listen, when you win games like that, you
did get a break somewhere. They got a big break
when a Penn State d he just fell down.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Ye, James Franklin stuff. Though, let's I feel like people
are crushing him for this loss. I don't know that
it's on him. You got three timeouts. Yeah, all you
need is to get in field goal rings to have
a shot. Okay, taking three knees there at the end timeout.
That is a great secondary. They were great against Georgia.
It is a great secondary. People aren't throwing the ball

(11:21):
on Notre Dame. You don't trust your quarterback. You don't
have a completion in the game to a wide receiver.
Overtime is built for what Penn State does. Great tight
end and I mean singletary, big time running back yeah.
So if I'm Penn State and I look at my team,
I don't have a pass completed to a receiver. I'm

(11:42):
not trying to drive the ball forty five yards.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
By the way, kickers, when Jeter went up there to
kick the winner, did you think he was gonna make it?
I was like, God, this is I mean, this.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Is it, just like football coaches want to try to win.
We're out here, we got timeout, we got the ball,
Let's give it a shot. I personally would have gone
to Warren and drawn another flag because it's all he's
doing all night is n flash.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
And I said before that, I think James Franklin is
a good coach, but I didn't think they used their
running back enough. I think the kid, I think we
talked about him earlier, it's a big it's a bad.
I was just talking to an NFL GM yesterday about
Penn State's run game.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yards like they I thought they had a good and
the game plan was good.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
I can't blame Frankly.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
I thought they were making it up on the final drive.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Fair and that's been one of the knocks on him,
like a late game situations.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
He's just and I.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Like James Franklin. This is not an indictment. He beats
everybody except you know, like Notre Dame in Ohio State
and Harbaugh's Michigan. James Franklin is a very good football,
no breakthrough.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Remember Harball.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
We said this about him for a few years when
he was.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
At That's You watched this game last night. Does Penn
State have better high end talent?

Speaker 3 (12:56):
It's at least equal maybe maybe I mean Carter, Like
you said.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Well, the tight end and Carter are the two best players.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Carter wasn't even one hundred percent coming off an injury.
Like he looks like he I mean, he's weren't Michael
Parson's number.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
He looks like Michael Parsons.

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Speaker 1 (13:21):
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J Mack got a blazing five year in a couple
of minutes. You know, it's interesting. So my initial belief
on games. There's about one a week I look at
and I zero in on it. You had strong feelings

(13:41):
about the Rams in this game, and I pushed back,
and I have strong feelings about the Ravens in this game.
And then you start digging and digging and looking at
these lines.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
He take it, Take it the Steelers here, oh bold,
you go with big dogs this weekend.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
I'm not saying that.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
You've had a better year than me picking game, not
by much. I mean I've I've been good, not great.
I've been bet College football has been really good. We
got Ohio State tonight, right, we both have Ohio State tonight. Yeah,
we've gone last two weeks. We both had Notre Dame
over Georgia and Notre Dame over Penn State. We both
liked Ohio State over Oregon. We've we've I stayed away

(14:22):
Texas ASU. You liked the ASU th opening round.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
I think we went four to oh each of us.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
You did great season. No, I bought into the underdogs
in the opening round and then I learned my lesson.
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Speaker 2 (14:37):
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Speaker 1 (14:45):
Listen, I'm gonna take the nine and a half. These
are thirty eight times Tomlin harbad met The underdog's done
very well in this series, three and one all time
against Baltimore in the playoffs and the Ravens. They're two
and six over the last eight playoff games. And I
love Lamar Jackson. He's not the same. He's been under
two hundred yards passing. They don't have D eight Flowers, they

(15:06):
don't have another receiver. They have a good tight end,
Lamar and a back. I mean as a starter against
the Steelers in the playoffs, he has struggled. And let's
be honest, the Ravens pass defense isn't great. You can
move the ball, chop it up offensively. I think the
Ravens win a nine and a half as Mike Tomlin's
the best underdog coach in a decade. Twenty seven twenty

(15:30):
three Baltimore wins. I'm gonna take the nine and a
half points.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Broncos and Bills.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Listen, a lot of the wise guys, Yeah, they're gonna
Like Denver, I'm gonna take Buffalo eight to no at
home during the regular season and winning by an NFL
best seventeen points. Josh Allen playoff career twenty six touchdowns,
four interceptions. What's not to like? He's not Lamar Jackson.
He may not be hosting trophies. He's not Lamar Jackson.

(16:00):
James Cook led the NFL eighteen scrimmage touchdowns great at home.
Broncos number seven Seeds are one and seven all time
in the wild card round since playoff expansion. They didn't
play particularly well down the stretch. They lost two or
three games, the only win over the Chiefs, and the
Chiefs were resting starters. Josh Allen at home, big spot

(16:23):
rookie quarterbacks in the first round go eight and thirteen.
I like the Bills. I like him to cover thirty
to twenty Packers at Eagles. This is my favorite bet
of the weekend. I like Philadelphia to win at home
in Philadelphia to cover minus four and a half. They've
won twelve of their last thirteen games and they're only

(16:45):
giving up about fifteen points a game. Number two rushing
offense the highest rush percentage in the league. So Jalen
hurts concussion protocol. They should be able to keep it
on the ground. Jalen Hurts, by the way he gets
it's a fresh takeuon Barkley. Okay, so I well rested
Saquon Barkley and the Packers. They were not good against

(17:07):
good teams. Zero to five this year against the Vikings, Lions,
and Eagles. Two and five against playoff teams this year.
Green Bay's a bit of a front runner, a bit
of a bully. I don't like him in this spot.
They also were second in the NFL and drops, so
they're a young team that can make mistakes. I like Philadelphia.
Jalen Hurt since Week four has been great thirty three

(17:28):
to twenty.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Four Commanders and Buccaneers.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
I think Tampa's the better team here. I'm going to
take a favorite minus three at home, veteran quarterback with
a real run game and a better defensive front. Do
you know Tampa's the first NFL offense in league history
with a seventy plus percent completion percentage through the air
and five plus yards per carry. This is a daunting
run attack. So Baker is going to be throwing on

(17:55):
second and five and third and two, and Baker right
now leads THEFL with fifteen touchdown passes over the last
four games. So Baker's hot. The run game is substantial,
and listen, we like the Commanders. They are down in
the fourth quarter. It feels like even in the game
they win. I mean, the most famous win this year
was a Hail Mary. They've trailed in the fourth in

(18:17):
three straight games. They don't have a run game. They're
gonna be totally Jaden Daniels dependent, and he may pull
it out. But they had the second easiest NFL schedule
this year. This is a tough draw. I like Tampa
to win and Tampa to cover thirty three to twenty four.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Viking said, Rams, It's hard.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
The more I thought I listened to Greg Cosel yesterday,
I'm gonna take the Rams plus two and a half. Listen.
They won five straight games before resting their starters in
Week eighteen, and they're six and one. When they score
over twenty one points, and I think they will. Matt
Stafford has been a very good playoff quarterback in LA
sixty nine point nine percent complete percentage with a lot

(19:01):
of touchdowns and only three picks. Their defense is on fire.
It's young, it's totally healthy. Sam Darnold's making his playoff debut.
It's a road game. I'm just worried. I'm gonna take,
by the way, the highest passing yard per game playoff
in NFL history for quarterbacks, Matt Stafford is number one

(19:23):
over Kurt Warner and Dan Fouts. I'm gonna take the
Rams to win a close one, twenty seven to twenty four.
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(19:47):
taking Tampa as favorites, and I'll take the Steelers and
the Rams getting points. I think Jmack likes most of them,
except the Pittsburgh I know.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
I think I'm in lockstep with you through all along
the board.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
I just I don't.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
I mean, I guess the is a Flowers injury.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
He's been ruled out.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
To me, its steels substance. He'll be limited without it. No,
I mean it's Mark Andrews in a backfield like they
don't have their next number two receiver of fifteen catches. Yeah,
in the NFL. This isn't Penn State, It's the NFL.
I don't know. Without Jay Flowers, They're not going to
be explosive down the field at all. And I think
that makes the game a thirty to thirty game in
between the thirties.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Probably a good bet.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Fight.

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Speaker 1 (21:28):
All right, Urban Meyer, the voice of college football here,
is joining us down Fox Sports' big noon kickoff Saturdays
in the fall. Okay, so I'm watching that game last night,
so listen. I don't like the second guest coaches. I don't.
I'm not a second guess or Urban because I don't
know who's healthy and who's not. You looked at film
and I didn't. But I got to get to something.

(21:50):
So Penn State hadn't completed a ball to receivers. There's
very little time left. Notre Dame Secondary is excellent. They're
very disciplined and well co and let's be honest about
Penn State's quarterback. He can make mistakes. I don't think
with that time forty yards to go, I'm packing at him.
We're built for overtime. I got great running backs. I

(22:13):
didn't like Penn State getting aggressive down the stretch. Am
I wrong telling where you land on that?

Speaker 8 (22:19):
Yeah? I was in the suite at the Orange Bowl
watching it, and I was with a group of people.
And when they got the ball back, they're deep in
their own territory. Forty seven seconds left. They did have
all the timeouts, and they ran the ball. Nick Singleton,
I believe got like twelve yards in ten yards. Yeah,
And I even said to myself, don't do it. Don't
just play this thing out. Run the ball one more time.

(22:40):
If you get near the midfield, then go ahead. But
you know, Drew Aller is going to have to live
with that one for a long time. But I saw
the same thing. The country saw that Penn State's receivers
just had a hard time getting open. And you can
put this all on the quarterback. It's not it's their
best player is Tyler Warren. And then the two said
after that, there's a significant drop off, So that'll be

(23:04):
questioned for a long time. But you also, you know,
you kick yourself in the teeth if you don't at
least take a shot. But I would have I would
have handed that thing off one or two more times.
If they would have busted it, I would have thrown
it down the field and never throw that ball across
the middle in that kind of situation, and that one
that was tough. And I'm with you Colling, I exactly.
And I said that to a group of people. They're

(23:25):
looking at me, and I said, no, no, no, don't know.
Two manute here, it's only forty seven seconds left. You're
facing a secondary that's better than your receivers. Don't do it.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, I was talking about Mark Marcus Freeman. You know,
he started owing three. He lost his first home game
to Marshall and he's thirty five years old, and I'm like,
oh boy, and he had good players. I'm like, I
don't know if this thing's gonna work. So when you
know you were the turnaround specialist, that's what you you
and Bill Parcells like, you're in a very short class.
So when he starts owing three and he's thirty five,

(23:56):
and unlike you, he didn't you know your first job
you were kind of hitting were there in bowling Green.
We didn't know who urban Meyer was. His first job's
Notre Dame. How do you think he turned it around,
go back to the first year. What's his secret sauce here?

Speaker 8 (24:10):
I think he goes back to the way he was
a player at Ohio State. You know, he's always had
that reputation of doing things the right way, of being
unselfish and extremely hard work, and I think that's what
he is as a position coach for Luke Fickle. Luke
Fickle is one of my guys. So I know Marcus
Freeman very well. I followed him. I actually called him.
I saw his press conference after they lost to Marshall,

(24:33):
and he looked exactly like he thought he would look.
He looked like, what in the world just happened? Where
am I and what am I doing? And I remember
Mac Brown reached out to me when I was at
Florida was in a similar situation. I was a little
bit over my skis and you just you've become overwhelmed.
And I talked to him quite a bit. I've stayed
in touch with him. His maturity of a coach is

(24:54):
I don't want to say it's unprecedented, but it's phenomenal
what he's done. He's got a good roster, great roster
he does not have. You know, the two rosters playing
tonight are better than Notre Day. Oh yes, but they
got something. They got something very special in that locker room,
their leadership, their toughness to refuse to lose. That game
was almost out of hand in that first half against

(25:15):
Penn State, and they you got to get Marcus Freeman
his coaching staff credit, but also those damn players. Man,
I was there, I watched them. They were They refuse
to lose and just toughed it out. Man, that was
a great win for them.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
So one more question on this Riley Leonard is it's
fascinating because everybody's talking about Drew Aller and Shaduur and
all this stuff. And I said, there's something about Riley Leonard.
He's got a little, just a little Josh Allen, just
to eight percent Josh Allen. But you know what I
like about Riley Leonard is you know, there were a

(25:52):
lot of reasons he could have had his head down.
His defense, got a couple of picks, one terrible call,
took one on two away, they trailed that running backs,
banged up his own line. I like Riley Leonard. He's
a kind of kid that has a short memory. I mean,
if you watch his body language urban, he's smiling, he's

(26:12):
in a good mood, he's big, he's physical. What do
you see when you see him? Because I'm trying to
tell everybody on this set, I'm like, I like that kid.
That's a Sunday player. To me, everybody's like, he never
completes passes. What do you see with Riley Leonard?

Speaker 8 (26:28):
I see what his record is. I see a guy
that's a good passer. I see a guy that's has
so much of the intangibles that you see as leadership,
as walking around the sideline, his energy. Like you said,
he's always a positive person. A person is what their
record is. That's what Riley Leonard is. He's a winner.
He's gonna win. You know. Is he good enough to

(26:49):
be a starter in the National Football League? No, he's
not physically. But there's other guys in the NFL I've
seen have great careers that weren't good enough physically. They
just have the other stuff, and he has the other stuff. Remember,
a man is what his record is, and that's I
see Riley Rudgard. What is he He's playing for the
National Championship. His career running percentage is extremely high for

(27:09):
a quarterback. His completion percentage in yards per game is average.
That's what I see. I see a winner that has
all the values. And I'm speaking on I had a
guy like that called j T. Barrett.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (27:21):
J T Barrett is what his record is. He's a winner.
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
So let's talk Ohio State and Texas. So I told
everybody get your welders mask on. This is gonna be
Fourth of July. It's gonna be fireworks and splash plays.
So when you go into a game like this, you're
the Ohio State coach and you know Texas has nothing
but talent and they're gonna make you look bad. You
may fall behind, there's gonna be this is a game

(27:46):
that resilience matters, because it's not going to be I mean,
I think last night's game looked like you think it
would look. I think Tonight's could be the opposite. When
you go into a game and this may be the
only time this year Ohio State has met their match physically,
what is the messaging? Because Texas played Georgia twice, they've
met their match physically. Ohio State, I don't think has

(28:07):
and this is the first one. What's the messaging?

Speaker 8 (28:11):
Well, the message in is and I actually set this
to a friend of mine. When talent becomes equated, it's
not the pregame talk, it's not the it's simply the
most prepared team will win this game. And the team
that practiced the best had the best preparation. I'm not
just talking about practice, but their bodies are in great shape,
and that that takes so many hours of prep for

(28:33):
a player, especially this late in the season. The guy
that spends them so much time in the training room,
getting dry needle, getting the cuppying, all the different prehab
things that get your body at the point to be
at its best tonight. So the most prepared team will win.
And I also believe that Texas or Ohio State, how

(28:55):
Ryan Dave manages the game and Sark will be how
their defense is playing. If their defense is playing well,
I would always have two different game plans in my
mind as a game manager. If my defense is going
out like it did against Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl
in two thousand and eight and we held Sam Bradford
and that offense to seven points at halftime, it was

(29:17):
a whole different animal if it was twenty one to
whatever it was. So I think the first half, and
I think this is really cool for the viewer to
watch this. The defense is going to set. It has
to because you go out there and do something stupid
early in that first quarter. This is not Tennessee, all
due respect in, it's not Oregon. You're right. This Texas
team is toe for toe, the only team in the

(29:39):
country that can line up against Ohio State and they can.
So how your defense plays is going to how you
manage that game.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
So listen, Saban did this where he pulled a quarterback
and inserted a quarterback in a national championship game. So
let's just and I know that's guts. That is hard
to do. So would there be a point tonight if
you're Sark? Would it be a score thing? Would it
be a confidence thing? Because I saw Ryan Day when

(30:06):
Will Howard struggled. I watched him change his game plan
against Michigan like I saw him play as Jane. You
can't do that tonight. You can't just say we're not
going to throw as much. Would what would you have
to see it with, Sark that you would be concerned
about the quarterback situation, which had been inconsistent for Texas
this year.

Speaker 8 (30:25):
Yeah, here's the thing about Arch. I think he's going
to be a great player. I'm about to say something
that I don't want to offend anybody that he's not
a great player. He's going to be a great player.
When I watched and I did, I went back and
watched a bunch of his tape. It's not like he's
overwhelming yet. It's not like he comes in the game
and it's just he blows the doors off of everybody else.

(30:47):
So I don't see that drastic, you know, I do
believe Arch Fanning at some point will be a high
draft pick and all that that time is not now, okay,
And so I think he's doing the right thing with
can you quin yours? Has one of the big games
do you make? Do you do the Nick Saban? Which
is one of the gutchest move I've ever seen in
that kind of scenario. Only Sark knows that because we're

(31:08):
not privy to being in practice and what Arts is
really capable of doing. What I've seen, he's got a
great future, But right now, one years is the best
opportunity to win.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yeah, okay, so years ago, I don't know if I
told you this years and years ago, I think you
were coaching at Florida and the other place the other
big sports network had Ohio State played LSU, and I
saw you in the hallway. I said, hey, I was
doing a commercial break. I said, hey, coach, get over here.
What's this game going to look like? And you told

(31:39):
me off the air, you said blah blah blah blah blah.
And it looked exactly like you told me it was
going to look like. And then I went on the
air and I pretended that I knew that, and I
didn't give you any credit. I just said, you know,
here's what the game is going to look like. I
guarantee you. So anyway, now everybody knows that. So tonight
I'm not asking for a score. What do you think
the game looks like tonight? What should I What kind

(32:01):
of tempo pace? What does it look like?

Speaker 8 (32:04):
So? Ohio State twenty twenty four was a slow starting
team and the Wolverine game was really bad as far
as a slow start. They actually fell behind Marshall seven
to nothing. I remember, you know, we had we were there,
and I've obviously I watched other games against Tennessee. Something happened,
and I think all the criticism about Chip Kelly and

(32:26):
Ryan Day not being created enough, not being exposed enough,
not getting the best players of ball. They went after
him like I mean, I mean it was we saw
the scores, the score, the game was over in the
first quarter. Yeah, I'm more. I hope they don't do that.
I hope they're conscientious about how aggressive they are. Because
I went back and watched Texas. Texas has this will

(32:48):
be the best secondary, this will be the best defensive
line in Ohio State still is three offensive linemen down upfront.
I think you see how that defense plays. The fans
don't want to hear that, But you got to go
win this game. How do you go win the game?
See how your defense plays, managed the game. I would
not be reckless in that first quart I think against
Tennessee and I mean I loved it, it was fantastic, But

(33:09):
you overmatched Oregon. You had better players in Oregon. You
had much better players in Tennessee. Tonight, I think they
I think they have the better roster, but I think
it's fairly close.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Very excited Urban Meyer Fox Sports College Football. He's on
the big noon kickoff, and you were inducted into the
Orange Bowl Hall of Fame last night. How about that?
And then and so you you.

Speaker 8 (33:30):
Drove the Penn State fans were the Penn State fans
didn't like that, and Notre Dame fans were getting after
Brady or Matt Leiner. So it was well. I looked
at the Orange Bowl gall and I says, Holy cal
that ever happened, she happens every year. Yeah, I mean,
if there's fans at the other school, yeah, you get
hammered pretty good. So it's fun though.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Notre Dame fans, Notre Dame fans are I don't know.
I've told you this before you had You had an
opportunity to take a Notre Dame job, and you didn't.
I know that you don't want to say that. You're
a humble guy, but Notre Dame. You were an assistant
there for years. And I'm watching them last night. I
love when Notre Dame's good. There's just I mean, when

(34:10):
you were on that campus, you had a Florida job,
you had an Ohio State job, you did smaller colleges.
Did Notre Dame feel a little different, all things considered.

Speaker 8 (34:21):
But there's no place like it. I made the comment
that I got a little choked up the first time
when I saw them win a couple of weeks ago
against Georgia. You know, who'd have thought in this day
and age that they would basically control a game against
the University of Georgia and SEC powerhouse. I know I
recruited there. I made the comment that I remember when

(34:42):
you hear those words lake effect coming off of Lake Michigan.
There's only a certain type of player that you can
recruit to Notre Dame. December January. It's changed a little bit,
but I mean, academics are real. You know, there's seventy
five hundred students. Are how many students go to game?
Call it seventy five hundred. It's it's incredible place. It's
the purity of college football. I love their coach. I

(35:04):
love that place. And I was the same as you
when Notre Dame's great. It's good for great for college football,
good senior coach, good senior college.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
All right, the great Urban Meyer. Yeah, it's if you
love college football and the traditions and the stadiums. And
I thought last night was just so rich. It's the
fabric of college football starts with to me, it doesn't
start with the SEC. When I was a kid growing up,
Washington was great, Ohio State was great, Penn State, Notre Dame, Michigan.

(35:36):
It was cold weather teams that were great. I mean,
USC always had a bunch of players. Texas was hit
and miss, but Nebraska was great. SEC wasn't as dominant
like Georgia. You know, the Herschel Walker Georgia team with
Buck Baloo at quarterback. One of Natty didn't. I don't
know if they completed more than one or two passes.
But I mean, when I kind of think of college
football and its history, it was a lot of these

(35:57):
northern powers, and then over the last twenty years it's
kind of veered down into Sunshine states. But I just
think there's something pretty cool about Penn State Michigan. I mean,
I was thinking this last night watching it with j Mac.
I'm thinking, are we going to get a big ten
final off Michigan's win? I mean, what what? Because? Right now,

(36:19):
I mean SEC fans the new guy in the neighborhood,
Texas is their last shot. It's either going to be
Northern power Ohio State or northern power Notre Dame. I'll
tell you then. I'll just tell you this right now,
Ohio State Notre Dame television rating may beat USC Texas.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
What's your line for that?

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Who? How much is Ohio's day favored by over at
Notre Dame? Yeah, I because Texas is. I would got
to be bigger than six six and a half. I
think Ohio State would win. I think might be seven
and a half, maybe maybe higher. I don't even know
if i'd want to.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
You've watched this Notre Dame offense now closely the last
couple of games.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
They don't have months coch Yeah, but I've watched this
coaching staff in this second area.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
No, definitely, and they came out of it pretty healthy
last night, didn't they? Riley offensive lineman went down.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
I don't know if it's serious or long term, but
I think if you're a Notre Dame fan, you're probably
rooting Texas here.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Right, Oh, I think Notre Dame could beat Texas.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
I don't rooting for Texas. You want to? You want
to see that? Yeah, I think they could beat Texas.
I'm not saying they would. They'd be an underdog, but
I can see Notre Dame getting into Texas's head.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Penn State receivers had zero catches. Jeremiah Smith will have
three on the first drive.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Maybe, I mean, come on, yeah,
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