Colin is joined by Nick Wright, host of “First Things First” on FS1!
Nick explains why the GIANTS won the draft because of a trade they weren’t able to make (2:00). They talk about why it’s painfully obvious that Tom Brady still wants to play football and break down why Brady’s competitive nature will make him a great broadcaster (11:00).
They wax philosophically about having a “competitive mentality” and how it drives them (14:30). Colin compares athletes and artists, and marvels at how athletes are unique in being able to continue to become even greater AFTER being paid, and why greatness in sports doesn’t make you a target of worship… it makes you a target. They list the biggest stars in sports and debate which are artists or athletes (21:30)
Finally, they talk about how Spencer Rattler hurt his draft stock based on how he was viewed in an old documentary, and why Shedeur Sanders talking trash online could hurt his stock as well (36:00).
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Speaker 1 (01:33):
Welcome into part two of the podcast with Nick Right
being off lit quarterback Jay laser Al who says this,
it is the most miserable thing in the league.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
So Atlanta, So yeah, righted Raheem Morris, Reem Morris was
a coaching hotshots the wrong word, but like the youngest coach
in the league, like on this what happened? No quarter
very quarterback. And so then for a decade he's grinding
himself back, and I think he's probably like never again,
(02:04):
never again, Like I'm going to give myself a floor
at that spot. So I understand that I just and
maybe I'm spoiled because the team I root was beating
for championships.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Smart ass, and and the Chiefs and the Packers for
most of my life have at least been B to
B plus at quarterbaas the right.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
The Chiefs never had the guy, but they had Trent
green Day an Alex. They they had, they were They
weren't terrible except for a few years. But I'd like, man,
if you're a Falcons fan, try to go be great.
If you sign Kirk, you let me. I'll tell you.
Somebody asked me today who I thought won the draft? Right,
So I'm going to give you a wild take on that. Okay,
(02:52):
I think you can make an argument the Giants won
the draft because New England didn't take their Trade's reported
yesterday that the Giants offered six and next year's number
one for the third pick, And I'm like, oh, so
(03:12):
they hoped to draft Drake May at three, not add
any weapons in the first round, to trade the pick
and have Drake May, a twenty one year old with
high upside but who was a radic at North Carolina
at put him behind that offensive line with those weapons.
Guess what I think that they'd done, that they'd be
(03:35):
drafting number one next year and they'd be sending it
to New England like Carolina just did. Like the fact
that the Giants now have next year's number one. This year,
you know, maybe Drew Lock plays, maybe Daniel Jones plays,
but a last he has a weapon, and then next
year you try to go find your quarterback. That I
think New England turning that trade down was a bit
(03:59):
of a mistake they'll regret. I think that you could
have gone to six, gotten Giants number one next year,
and at six, we know Minnesota is willing to give
you eleven and twenty three, so you could have had
eleven and twenty three to add players, your first rounder
and the Giants first rounder next year, start Jakobe for
a season and then that's what I would have done
(04:21):
far for New England. But New England's GM was auditioning
for his job. He doesn't even have it yet, and
the owner said, I want a quarterback, so I guess
he's gonna draft a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I had an executive in the league said, if you're
the Giants, you are rooting for Bryce Young and Will
Levis because then the only other team that's guaranteed to
take a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Is the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
So somebody said, he said, he said to me, you
are rooting for that great point and Bryce Young to
hit if you're the Giants, because then it's like us
and the Raiders need quarterbacks and they'll be two good prospects.
You know, Shador Sanders, the kid cam Ward at Miami
who's pretty interesting. There's a kids that the other Dame
got a transfer who's pretty int.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
No, and I the Quinn Yours people like him. And
then there's one more that we're forgetting. That's the guy
who's most likely to go number one. I talked about
on the show today, So I see if I can
remember it. But the I was just about to look like,
hold on a second, who are the teams that could.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Raiders, Titans, Giants and Carson beck is the other one,
the kid from Georgia that people don't think he's a
top five pick. I think he's Georgia good.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I think you're probably right. But the if you look
at I was gonna look through the NFL like teams
that you know, Buffalo, no, Miami, No, the Jets are
maybe if Aaron gets hurt, if Aaron gets hurt, you
know what I mean? The Jets are a maybe. New England, No, Baltimore,
Cleveland is a maybe. I don't know what I mean.
(05:48):
They're and I mean that's a rough spot, man. Uh
but Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh's a maybe. So there's a bunch
of maybees. But there's not a lot of definites to
your point, like the because everybody when six quarterbacks going
round one, everybody thinks they have a quarterback, you know
what I mean, Like, there's just the you mentioned.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Go ahead, sorry, and they'll at least give those quarterbacks
till Thanksgiving of the second year. And so this executive
said the bottom line, if you're the Giants, he said,
I don't think Will Levis is gonna work. He said,
I think Bryce will. He liked Bryce. He said, Bryce
is talented. He's not as big as you'd like, but
they got him weapons, they got him a really good
wide receiver. He's like, Bryce will move the chains. They'll
(06:32):
stick with him. But he said, the Giants and the Raiders,
that's it that you're absolutely and neither one is going
to be any good. He said, So those are those
are your top two potential picks. Yeah, and for one
of those teams, Tom Brady, who probably played for him,
so they won't need to Why not, I mean the
he wants to play football so badly.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Like I get it. I mean, I don't blame him.
Did you see Lebron's quote. Lebron had a quote after
the g that I thought was so fascinating. It was
also almost a little sad, and it made me think
of Brady to a degree where Lebron said, I think
to Dave mcmannimon along the lines of, I'm never going
to be bad, but at some point I'm going to
(07:16):
have to stop. And he basically said, like, you know,
I'm not chasing anything anymore. I've accomplished anything I wanted
to accomplish, but at some point I've got to stop playing.
And it was such a unique thing because I watched it.
I'm like, yeah, he's never gonna be I mean, I
never's a long time obviously, but I think five years
(07:38):
from now Lebron would be good. I do, yeah, Like,
I know, you know what I mean. Right now, what
is he at best the sixth best player in the
league and at worst the twelfth best player in the league.
He's somewhere in there he you know what I mean,
he lives. He's better, in my opinion, clearly than Devin Booker.
And Devin Booker's an all NBA guy, and.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
He led the NBA in fourth order buckets and playoff buckets.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah right, so, and he played seventy one games. So
it's such a unique spot for Lebron, which is like
most guys get forced out. Most guys they you know
what I mean, they have their fair their averaging five
points a game. So he's not gonna be that. So
at some point he's just gonna have to be like,
I guess I'm done. I'm stopping. And that's kind of
(08:26):
what happened with Tom. Like I understand, the Bucks were
not good Tom's last year, but the year before he
almost won MVP. He still grew for a million yard.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
He's better than half the quarterbacks today easily, no question,
no question.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
And he just stopped. And there's I understand that there
was family some of New Zealand with I get it,
but I think every time someone puts a microphone in
front of him, he clearly is like, goddamn it, I
want to play football. I miss playing football, And you know,
he's gonna be with Fox and calling games, and maybe
that'll scratch the itch, but it also might make him
(09:01):
watch these guys and be like, god, dog it, I'm
better than that guy, you know, And so like it's
the weird spot. We're seeing two guys Lebron nearing the
end and Brady who just ended, who played longer than
anybody ever in the history of their field and at
a higher level than anyone ever thought who both you know,
(09:24):
Brady already had to and Lebron's gonna have to. We're
gonna have to oddly make the decision of like I
guess I just should stop because I'm old, but I'm
not bad. And it's such a weird thing, like people
are like, oh, John Elway went out on top. John
Elway went out winning super Bowls, but he was not
good anymore, like you know, I mean, I'm not disrespecting John,
(09:45):
but like the he was a shell of the player
that he was. Peyton Manning went out winning a Super Bowl,
was nine touchdown, seventeen picks that year, was a shell.
Even the guys who go out on top are usually
not good in more so, I don't know that you
know what I mean, the Brady seems to still miss it.
I don't know what Lebron's gonna do.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Brady is I can I I'll probably get in trouble
saying this, but Brady his preparation for broadcasting at Fox. Dude,
he he's in the building.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
You're not gonna get in trouble for saying he was
in the building.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Today, the last the next three days, he's in the
building practicing. Like Brady is as obsessed about this. People
don't understand the people.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I think he's gonna be great. I think he's gonna
be great because he's competitive. Yes, I think that is.
I think the key to so much of this is competitive. Yes,
And I think that there is the Tom had And
I don't know Tom at all, but he had recently
(10:53):
in the last year, he did an interview and he
was talking about during the game and was basically about
now like he hated who he was playing against, like
he would build up an anger and like the real
like fraud. Because he's competitive and now I think he's
going to look around and be like, I need to
(11:15):
be better. And it helps that most of the other
people in his spot are quarterbacks too. I need to
be better. Than Troy. I need to be better than Tony.
I know Collins, it's not a quarterback, but I need to.
I think he's gonna want to be considered the best.
And there was always you remember, God, it feels like
a lifetime ago. But during when the flategate happened and
(11:39):
Tom unfairly at his text messages leaked and the text
message to his I think it was his dad, maybe
was his friend about Peyton, and they were to talk
about back and forth, and Tom said He's like, yeah,
but I'm going to play five more years and Peyton's done,
and then it's not even going to be a debate.
By the way, he was right about that. That's exactly
what happened. But I also think there's like a competitiveness
(12:02):
with Peyton, which is Peyton's a broadcaster, you know what
I mean, and everybody, unlike some of the other broadcasters,
none of the ballooms, everybody. I think that broadcast is great.
People love it. I think it's gonna be like, I'm
gonna trust these guys. Yeah, I'm gonna, I really do so.
I bet he's gonna be awesome when I lost.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
When I you know, I tell my kids, you know
they're tired of hearing it.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
But I always say, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
There's there's certain traits and people that are really important,
and it's not where you went to school. One of
the things that's really important is resilience. Don't be fragile.
You're gonna have shitty days, You're gonna have horrible relationships.
Don't be fragile. These people on the internet go sideways
and upside down because somebody said something I don't like.
(12:53):
You better get over it. Don't be fragile, and you know,
be mobile, be willing to move. But the editor I
tell my kids all the time is in life, you
will compete against yourself. I will never compete against Elon
Musk or probably a ditch digger. I'll compete against people
in my sphere. Intellectually, emotionally, I'll be competing against me. Right,
(13:16):
I'm not gonna neuroscience. I'm not going to be competing
against those people, and probably not against dog walkers, right, Like,
I know where I'm competing against, and and and I
think so, I think what my point is, if you're competing,
it's almost life's like boxing.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
There's weight class in your weight class.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
That's right, You're competing essentially in life against yourself.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You know this is so Wild's made fun of me
for this, And maybe I said this to you already
on a podcast. If not, I don't care, I'll say
it again because it's it's I truly feel this way,
which is I just said kind of flippantly to Wilde's
once about a different broadcaster. I was like, oh, they're
one of my rivals. And he's like, what do you mean,
(13:59):
like you have a bad relationship with him? Like, no,
I've never met him. He's like, you just said they're
your rival. I'm like, well, they're on the national scene
and they're about my age. I must be more successful
than them. And he was like, you're you You're insane, buddy.
I'm like no. I was like, everybody has this, and
he was adamant, No, No, normal people don't. And I'm
(14:23):
so glad because you didn't say it. But I think
you did too. It seems like as you were coming up, Oh,
you knew who the other guys in yours you put
a weight class were, and I need to beat them
is wrong because you're not rooting for them to fail.
But I need to be the valedictorian of the class,
so to speak. That's how I've always felt and so
(14:46):
like the person he was like. He said to me,
he's like some name Arrival. And I said, really, the
most ridiculous one, because this person has almost a universal
Brewer rating. But I said, Mina Chimes. I was like,
she's my age. He's everyone thinks she's super smart. She
talks to you, she didn't talk about everything. She's my rival.
I was like, I'm sorry. I was like, it just
(15:08):
is like I hope she does well, but I need
to do better. I was like, this is like, this
is just how my brain works. And so yes, like
I like and again I'm not speaking for Tom because
I don't know him at all. You know him somewhat.
I don't know him at all, but I would imagine
Tom looks at brought other broadcasters. Now is his rivals
(15:29):
like I need to be the best, which is why
he the other thing. And I did say this to you.
I think when Tom was on with you, you asked
him about Patrick, and he had it was an unbelievable answer,
which is he was super complimentary. And then he was like,
(15:53):
and you know, anybody who can get to seven Super
Bowls like you know, I tip my cap to him,
and it was to me a very intentional kind of
setting of the ground rules, like, oh yeah, anybody can
say he's going to be the goat, no problem at all.
But just so we're clear, if he doesn't get to
seven Super Bowls, it's not a conversation like I don't
(16:15):
want to hear about MVPs and I don't want to
hear about yards. I don't like he was. I think
he is competitive in everything, and it's like, I'm the
greatest football player ever and this whole idea that this
guy might be better than me one day. Okay, sure, but
don't you come to me with his yards and touchdowns
and MVPs if he only has five Measley super Bowls,
(16:38):
because the barrier to entry is seven. And I just
and I think that's I respect that.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I think about this a lot because I do criticize
athletes at times about how remarkable athletes are. So if
you look at the history of comedy you get to
be the funniest guy in the world for about three
to five years. Ben Stiller, Jim Carrey, there was Drew
Carey twenty five years ago.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Mike Myers, by the way, he's very charitable to include
Ben Stiller on The Funniest Guys Worldless. He's pretty good,
pretty good, but go ahead. Maybe he's a friend. I
don't know who you're having drinks with, but go ahead.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
So if you go look at you know, Chris Rock,
Jerry Seinfeld, Larry David, you know where.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
You're sort of compel yell.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah, so, and then it's very hard to be as
funny because your life experience changes dramatically because there's so
much money in movies and production when you get.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Big, that's right.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, of course hip hop stars similarly, first couple albums
can be fantastic and then the material changed hard.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Athletes, what's really amazing is athletes almost the opposite. Mahomes
is better since he's been paid, Lebron was better when
he was paid. Is that athletes, unlike other entertainers, often
feel a guilt or a pressure to elevate their greatness
(18:20):
when they're paid. It's very rare when you look at athletes,
they get paid, and I'm sure it happens, but I'm.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Telling it happens not to the great ones. That's what
that's the in between the great ones and everyone else.
Because I think that when you talk about getting paid,
but I think that at every step of your athletic journey,
there has been a getting paid but not actually money
moment where you could relax, you know what I mean.
(18:47):
The kid who when he makes varsity as a freshman
takes his foot off the gas doesn't get the college scholarship.
And the kid who when he goes to college is
a starter early on and takes off the gas doesn't
make the league. So it almost we you know what
I mean, It slowly, but surely weeds. It weeds those
people out because it's such a finite number and there's
(19:09):
always a new crop of people coming for those jobs.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Also, is that in hip hop, when you win, you're
worshiped by everybody. In comedy, when you're the king of laughs,
you are worshiped by everybody. In sports, when you win,
most of the league hates you.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Hate you.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
So in sports, greatness does not equal worship outside of
your town. It equals kind of a villain, kind of
a target. And that's why music critics tend to be
too soft and and you know movie critics are you know,
they they're they're too in bed with them. Music and
(19:51):
movie critics and Hollywood. When's the last really tough reporter
that Hollywood had? They don't, So it goes to your
head in music and it doesn't work that way, but
the media in sports kicks the shit out of you
once you're great. It's like, well, you weren't good last
week against Cleveland, And there's a healthy there's a healthy
(20:13):
account ability that doesn't exist in comedy, movies, music. This
accountability standings criticism that I think actually it's like being
tough on your kids. It builds character. So I think you.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Might have just solved might not be the right word,
but you just said something that really crystallized something for me. Okay,
we might have just like, I feel like this is
a real thing that just happened because you talk, you're
talking about the inestween athletes and artists. Yeah, and I'm
(20:55):
not taking I'm really not trying to be unfair or
take a shot. But there are two specific NBA players
that I think, as great as they are, have markedly
underachieved their talent and ability even though they are. One
(21:16):
of them's one of the twenty greatest players ever and
one of them is one of the ten most skilled
players ever. And I think both of them view themselves
more artists than athletes. And those two guys are Kevin
Durant and Kyrie Irv and I think a lot of
what has worked against them and a lot of what
they have pushed against is that they are covered like
(21:40):
their athletes and not like their artists. That it is
a lot of criticism and a lot of why did
you do this, and a lot of but you didn't
do that, and comparative stuff that athletes are used to.
But they're like, we're fucking artists. I Am out here
(22:02):
painting a picture and you're asking me these questions, like,
just appreciate the art. Meanwhile, other folks who look at
themselves as I don't want to say, hired guns, but
we are in competition and we are here to win
(22:23):
and you know, to do what we have to do,
haven't been as bothered by the media criticism. But it
does Katie and Kyrie who and again Kyrie, to his credit,
has been unbelievable this year, and Katie post Achilles is
(22:44):
the best Achilles recovery in sports history. So I'm not
trying to be unfair, it really is. I'm not trying
to be unfair and I aren't trying to take a shot,
but they really seem to both struggle with the way
they are covered by the media. And what you just
described about how artists, musicians, or actors or comedians are
(23:07):
covered by the media is different than how we do athletes.
We don't do when a movie six, when there is
a huge movie release weekend. When Barbie and Oppenheimer come
out the same weekend, there were no articles written like, well,
fucking Oppenheimer, how do you not win that? People are
(23:28):
just like, this was awesome. This was even more awesome.
These are both great. It's and so that I do.
I think there is something there and maybe I can
describe it exactly right, but about the difference between how
athletes and artists are discussed and whether or not you
consider yourself an athlete or an artist, and how you
want to then be discussed in how you feel you
(23:50):
should be discussed.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I also think basketball more than any sport, and soccer
has some of this as well. I've always compared basketball
to international soccer. Is an artist, Rinaldo is an artist,
Kevin Durant' an artist. Tom Braddy's a football player, right
like Mike Trout's a baseball player, that's different.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
But filming, Lebron's an artists.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
No, No, he's more compartmentalized and strategic artists, aren't they
kind of hear? I mean very much. Lebron's a stacker,
compartmentalize work on this part of the game. Solved this part.
Kevin Durant's not looking to solve. Kyrie Irving's not looking
to solve parts of their game. They're looking to paint
their most beautiful picture. Kyrie had it the other night
(24:34):
with that layup over three Clippers.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yes, yes, exactly right, like that kind even though they
that kind of was, and there is something beautiful about
this and honorable about it where it's like that Kyrie
has worked for He's thirty two, so call it twenty
five years on every little bit of his ability in
(25:01):
order to pull off that one moment. And I know
he's obviously done way more than that, but I'm saying,
like that was of physics and basketball impossibility.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
It was incredible, was his? It was his Mona Lisa,
it was his.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yes, exactly right, it was, And it was like, oh,
you are probably literally the only human being who's ever
lived who could do that, Like I believe that I
really believe that. Yeah, And I think there's for Kyrie,
He's like in God damn it, you guys still credit
like do you not see it? Like do you not understand?
(25:38):
But because it's sports, were like, yeah, but you're lost
and you haven't been in the finals in eight years
because it's sports, And so yeah, I do think there
is I want to think about this more because you
said it in real time, but I do think there
is something really to that, and I think there is.
(25:59):
I'm gonna start like looking at because you know, another
guy who I think was as much as you can
be in football, closer to artists than athlete, is my Palodell.
I think there was a lot of like, yeah, look
at this show I am putting on. Of course, look
(26:20):
at what I can do that I have worked on
and honed and the beauty of it. Yeah, And then
but he's also a guy who never felt he was
given a fair shake by the media, you know what
I mean, who never felt it was that that that
it was that he was covered fairly.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, I think and I think about that a lot.
With basketball, it is it's it's a canvas. There are players,
you know, Michael had some kind of a almost mechanical.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Mid range.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Michael scored most of his points on two to three moves.
Kobe was more artist. He had a side of the
key he liked. But now Michael and Kobe both Michael
would do these flips over his head or the switch hands.
But Michael really scored. Michael really his game was not
mechanical is the wrong word.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
He was sategic.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
It was really strategic. It was really efficient. It was
really remarkable, and Michael would just go back to what
he did over and over. By the way, I would
compare Michael to Mahomes, there is absolute artistry, but Mahomes
is better today than four years ago. For the same
reason Michael was better his second three pete than his
first is that he took the layups and he had
(27:39):
great discretion on use of energy. Like Michael knew hold
it off.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
He really.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Actually it's almost like a kid. When kids are eight,
you just they have a biting stage, they have a
punch the sister stage. It's all inappropriate, but they have
so much energy they can't control themselves. Michael came into
the league. He could have scored sixty at nine, and
he wanted to I always call you have the show
off stage, the title stage, and the mogul stage, and
you can't stop here. Lebron used to chase people down
(28:06):
on Tuesday games in Denver and block a ball off
the backboard. It meant nothing. It was the show off stage.
Look at my gifts. But Michaels and Mahomes now take
the laps. They can serve energy. Like Patrick could run
all the time. He runs on third and one or
(28:27):
fourth and one in the fourth quarter. He could do
that all game.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
So that is so that is, and I know we're
going along so we can wrap the But I do
wonder of all the things that people could learn from Mahomes.
I don't know why more quarterbacks haven't copied his situational running.
(28:56):
You might not be able to listen the kid played
baseball as dad was a baseball player of the arm Angles,
or you know, there's only probably five quarterbacks in the
league if that who can throw it as far as him.
He has a I don't remember the word for it.
It's like something it's not photographic. It's like didactic. I
think memory as far as like his ability to there's
(29:17):
certain things, but what is copyable is the understanding of
the riskiest thing I can possibly do is run. It
is also wildly effective, and I am going to recognize
that both of those things are true. And so I
(29:40):
am basically never going to do it on first or
second down, and I am not even going to do
it on third down if it's early in the game
in the regular season. But that then also means teams
are slightly less prepared for it when I do it,
and I am more one hundred percent, or even two
(30:02):
years ago when he had the bad ankle, I am
more I have a couple bursts in me to make
sure I get where I need to get to. And
it just seems like because I think Mahomes is a
good athlete. I obviously he's a good athletes, but I'm
saying I think he is a better athlete than people
think because he's never caught man he when is the
(30:26):
last time Mahomes chose to run in a big spot
and didn't get where he was trying to get to, Like,
And so now, if you ran all the time, it
would happen all the time. And maybe Josh Allen's a
unique case because he's bigger than everybody, so we can
deal with it. But I just think more of those guys.
I also think that, you know, I was skeptical of
(30:49):
Jade and Daniels because he's he's one hundred and ninety pounds,
one hundred and ninety five pounds. I also think there
is something too that picture of Mahomes with his shirt off,
where it's like, oh, that's actually what your quarterback should
look like. I have a little extra, you know, like
the and I understand Brady in his later years looked
(31:10):
more chiseled.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Oh, he's much more chiseled now than he was as
a player.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Correct, exactly right. It's like, no, I'm gonna have muscle
underneath a layer of protection almost, you know what I mean.
And I think that is uh. I think that's smart.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Like I don't called it pudding, he said, like brock
Hewart's a friend of mine. Brock couldn't put on weight,
and he's like skinny quarterbacks like Matt Ryan tried to
put on weight.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, you know who had it too? Was Peyton? Yeah, Peyton?
You know what I mean? Peyton? Was you ever seen
Peyton in person? Peyton's you realize how big these damn
quarterbacks are. But Peyton when he was playing wasn't like,
you know, like bodybuilder type. He had a layer of
protection and.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
So yeah, and it also what matters to you? I
said this, I called an NFL head coach on Will
Levis's combine when he was wearing a shirtless yes ripped.
It was very Brady Quinn and I said, I'm out
on him. And he goes call this NFL head coach
successful coach, he said, Colin, it was the talk of
(32:21):
a road trip me and the GM went on recently.
That was the talk of the he cares deeply about.
His girlfriend was beautiful. He's a good looking guy, big
man on campus in Kentucky at basketball school. He's the
football star Will Levis's I'm going to show you my build,
literally a successful GM and coach said they went on
(32:41):
a drive and that it was the topic of conversation
like he's got the wrong priorities.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
On that note, and we can, you know, leave it
at this. I am shocked. So I don't know if
you saw this reporting, but Spencer Rattler evidently was on
a Netflix dock six years ago when he was in
high school. Did you see any of this column? Okay,
(33:07):
so there was a Lebron's company produced a Netflix documentary
called QB One and it was basically they followed around
I didn't see it some top high school quarterback prospects
on their journey, you know what I mean? Like, what's
it like to be one of the top prospects in
America as a sixteen year old sixteen? And evidently Spencer
(33:30):
Rattler was a real dick as a kid, was mean
to his backup quarterback, was a bit of a bully,
was kind of like your stereotypical mean, popular jock. And
Ian Rappaport reported that multiple teams brought it up to
him before the draft, like yeah, we just we and
(33:50):
it's like, dude, this guy was literally sixteen years old,
Like I don't know, man, like, please don't use against
me in a job interview. How I treated like come on,
and so so here's why I bring that up. I
don't even care about Spencer Ratler in that art. I
am shocked no one has talked about what Shador Sanders
and to be fair, Dion have been doing these last
(34:12):
couple of days, just punching down in guys that left
the school. And if you're Dion, and I have massive
respect for Dion in general. But if you're Dion, it's like, man,
this guy was one of your players, and you're like,
where are your stats at? Like you are one of
the most famous athlete coaches in America and this is
(34:35):
a twenty year old Like that doesn't seem right. But
then shador like buddy, people are talking about use the
number one pick of the draft, and you're on Twitter
just shit talking guys like I can't imagine that's not
going to be a problem in a year. Oh, I
just can't.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
It's already being discussed. It's absolutely being discussed in the league.
It's not a good look at all.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
That's what I think. I just I think, like, listen,
any position other than quarterback, I don't think people would care.
Same Travis Hunter, who's going to be a top ten
pick on Colorado.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I almost like it from an edge rusher, I want
you to be obnoxious, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I mean, there's certainly a corner like there are a
certain spot, you know what I mean, Like Travis Hunter,
like corner wide receiver. It's like, Okay, the guy's a
little out of his mind, you know what I mean?
Maybe you know talks in the third person. Great, love it.
I've actually seen that archetype go to the Hall of Fame,
fair or not. And again, I'm not even saying it's right.
(35:32):
What I am saying is if Spencer Rattler can fall
a full round as rap report was sawing about because
of how he acted as a junior in high school, yeah,
then what are these same teams going to be saying
about someone who knows they're a potential top ten pick?
(35:54):
Yeah in twelve months. It just seems wild. Nick.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
It's a glaring lie of self awareness. It's really bad.
It's being discussed, and I think it's the difference between
going one and fifteen.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
That's what I mean. So that's what I'm talking about.
And I want to be very clear here because I'm
not trying to be the old man yelling the cloud saying.
I'm not even arguing that it is one should care
about this at all. I'm saying all of NFL history
tells me a lot of teams do. A lot of
(36:28):
teams one hundred percent do care about this, and it
just seems risky. And the difference, by the way, between
going one and going fifteen, it's not just I don't
even care about the dollar amount of the first contract,
But it does have a lot to do with how
(36:49):
if you're not good early, how much margin of error
do you get to hell of a lot easier to
move off from Kenny Pickett at fifteen or Mac Jones
at fifteen, then it is from a number one pick
you know what I mean somebody, And so I just
find that a little God.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Yeah, it hasn't made the show because the NBA playoffs
have been so good and the NFL is so big, but
it's it is something I've noticed and thought, eh, don't
do that.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
You know, it's funny. It hadn't made our show either,
but today I mentioned it during commercial break. I'm like,
it gonna sounds silly. I was like, I think what
I said was, I think we're two tweets away from
this being a top two more tweets, and I think
it's enough for us to put it in the show.
Yeah I do.
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Nick Wright, as always money, thanks buddy.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
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Speaker 1 (01:33):
Welcome into part two of the podcast with Nick Right
being off lit quarterback Jay laser Al who says this,
it is the most miserable thing in the league.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
So Atlanta, So yeah, righted Raheem Morris, Reem Morris was
a coaching hotshots the wrong word, but like the youngest coach
in the league, like on this what happened? No quarter
very quarterback. And so then for a decade he's grinding
himself back, and I think he's probably like never again,
(02:04):
never again, Like I'm going to give myself a floor
at that spot. So I understand that I just and
maybe I'm spoiled because the team I root was beating
for championships.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Smart ass, and and the Chiefs and the Packers for
most of my life have at least been B to
B plus at quarterbaas the right.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
The Chiefs never had the guy, but they had Trent
green Day an Alex. They they had, they were They
weren't terrible except for a few years. But I'd like, man,
if you're a Falcons fan, try to go be great.
If you sign Kirk, you let me. I'll tell you.
Somebody asked me today who I thought won the draft? Right,
So I'm going to give you a wild take on that. Okay,
(02:52):
I think you can make an argument the Giants won
the draft because New England didn't take their Trade's reported
yesterday that the Giants offered six and next year's number
one for the third pick, And I'm like, oh, so
(03:12):
they hoped to draft Drake May at three, not add
any weapons in the first round, to trade the pick
and have Drake May, a twenty one year old with
high upside but who was a radic at North Carolina
at put him behind that offensive line with those weapons.
Guess what I think that they'd done, that they'd be
(03:35):
drafting number one next year and they'd be sending it
to New England like Carolina just did. Like the fact
that the Giants now have next year's number one. This year,
you know, maybe Drew Lock plays, maybe Daniel Jones plays,
but a last he has a weapon, and then next
year you try to go find your quarterback. That I
think New England turning that trade down was a bit
(03:59):
of a mistake they'll regret. I think that you could
have gone to six, gotten Giants number one next year,
and at six, we know Minnesota is willing to give
you eleven and twenty three, so you could have had
eleven and twenty three to add players, your first rounder
and the Giants first rounder next year, start Jakobe for
a season and then that's what I would have done
(04:21):
far for New England. But New England's GM was auditioning
for his job. He doesn't even have it yet, and
the owner said, I want a quarterback, so I guess
he's gonna draft a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I had an executive in the league said, if you're
the Giants, you are rooting for Bryce Young and Will
Levis because then the only other team that's guaranteed to
take a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Is the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
So somebody said, he said, he said to me, you
are rooting for that great point and Bryce Young to
hit if you're the Giants, because then it's like us
and the Raiders need quarterbacks and they'll be two good prospects.
You know, Shador Sanders, the kid cam Ward at Miami
who's pretty interesting. There's a kids that the other Dame
got a transfer who's pretty int.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
No, and I the Quinn Yours people like him. And
then there's one more that we're forgetting. That's the guy
who's most likely to go number one. I talked about
on the show today, So I see if I can
remember it. But the I was just about to look like,
hold on a second, who are the teams that could.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Raiders, Titans, Giants and Carson beck is the other one,
the kid from Georgia that people don't think he's a
top five pick. I think he's Georgia good.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I think you're probably right. But the if you look
at I was gonna look through the NFL like teams
that you know, Buffalo, no, Miami, No, the Jets are
maybe if Aaron gets hurt, if Aaron gets hurt, you
know what I mean? The Jets are a maybe. New England, No, Baltimore,
Cleveland is a maybe. I don't know what I mean.
(05:48):
They're and I mean that's a rough spot, man. Uh
but Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh's a maybe. So there's a bunch
of maybees. But there's not a lot of definites to
your point, like the because everybody when six quarterbacks going
round one, everybody thinks they have a quarterback, you know
what I mean, Like, there's just the you mentioned.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Go ahead, sorry, and they'll at least give those quarterbacks
till Thanksgiving of the second year. And so this executive
said the bottom line, if you're the Giants, he said,
I don't think Will Levis is gonna work. He said,
I think Bryce will. He liked Bryce. He said, Bryce
is talented. He's not as big as you'd like, but
they got him weapons, they got him a really good
wide receiver. He's like, Bryce will move the chains. They'll
(06:32):
stick with him. But he said, the Giants and the Raiders,
that's it that you're absolutely and neither one is going
to be any good. He said, So those are those
are your top two potential picks. Yeah, and for one
of those teams, Tom Brady, who probably played for him,
so they won't need to Why not, I mean the
he wants to play football so badly.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Like I get it. I mean, I don't blame him.
Did you see Lebron's quote. Lebron had a quote after
the g that I thought was so fascinating. It was
also almost a little sad, and it made me think
of Brady to a degree where Lebron said, I think
to Dave mcmannimon along the lines of, I'm never going
to be bad, but at some point I'm going to
(07:16):
have to stop. And he basically said, like, you know,
I'm not chasing anything anymore. I've accomplished anything I wanted
to accomplish, but at some point I've got to stop playing.
And it was such a unique thing because I watched it.
I'm like, yeah, he's never gonna be I mean, I
never's a long time obviously, but I think five years
(07:38):
from now Lebron would be good. I do, yeah, Like,
I know, you know what I mean. Right now, what
is he at best the sixth best player in the
league and at worst the twelfth best player in the league.
He's somewhere in there he you know what I mean,
he lives. He's better, in my opinion, clearly than Devin Booker.
And Devin Booker's an all NBA guy, and.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
He led the NBA in fourth order buckets and playoff buckets.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah right, so, and he played seventy one games. So
it's such a unique spot for Lebron, which is like
most guys get forced out. Most guys they you know
what I mean, they have their fair their averaging five
points a game. So he's not gonna be that. So
at some point he's just gonna have to be like,
I guess I'm done. I'm stopping. And that's kind of
(08:26):
what happened with Tom. Like I understand, the Bucks were
not good Tom's last year, but the year before he
almost won MVP. He still grew for a million yard.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
He's better than half the quarterbacks today easily, no question,
no question.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
And he just stopped. And there's I understand that there
was family some of New Zealand with I get it,
but I think every time someone puts a microphone in
front of him, he clearly is like, goddamn it, I
want to play football. I miss playing football, And you know,
he's gonna be with Fox and calling games, and maybe
that'll scratch the itch, but it also might make him
(09:01):
watch these guys and be like, god, dog it, I'm
better than that guy, you know, And so like it's
the weird spot. We're seeing two guys Lebron nearing the
end and Brady who just ended, who played longer than
anybody ever in the history of their field and at
a higher level than anyone ever thought who both you know,
(09:24):
Brady already had to and Lebron's gonna have to. We're
gonna have to oddly make the decision of like I
guess I just should stop because I'm old, but I'm
not bad. And it's such a weird thing, like people
are like, oh, John Elway went out on top. John
Elway went out winning super Bowls, but he was not
good anymore, like you know, I mean, I'm not disrespecting John,
(09:45):
but like the he was a shell of the player
that he was. Peyton Manning went out winning a Super Bowl,
was nine touchdown, seventeen picks that year, was a shell.
Even the guys who go out on top are usually
not good in more so, I don't know that you
know what I mean, the Brady seems to still miss it.
I don't know what Lebron's gonna do.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Brady is I can I I'll probably get in trouble
saying this, but Brady his preparation for broadcasting at Fox. Dude,
he he's in the building.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
You're not gonna get in trouble for saying he was
in the building.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Today, the last the next three days, he's in the
building practicing. Like Brady is as obsessed about this. People
don't understand the people.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I think he's gonna be great. I think he's gonna
be great because he's competitive. Yes, I think that is.
I think the key to so much of this is competitive. Yes,
And I think that there is the Tom had And
I don't know Tom at all, but he had recently
(10:53):
in the last year, he did an interview and he
was talking about during the game and was basically about
now like he hated who he was playing against, like
he would build up an anger and like the real
like fraud. Because he's competitive and now I think he's
going to look around and be like, I need to
(11:15):
be better. And it helps that most of the other
people in his spot are quarterbacks too. I need to
be better. Than Troy. I need to be better than Tony.
I know Collins, it's not a quarterback, but I need to.
I think he's gonna want to be considered the best.
And there was always you remember, God, it feels like
a lifetime ago. But during when the flategate happened and
(11:39):
Tom unfairly at his text messages leaked and the text
message to his I think it was his dad, maybe
was his friend about Peyton, and they were to talk
about back and forth, and Tom said He's like, yeah,
but I'm going to play five more years and Peyton's done,
and then it's not even going to be a debate.
By the way, he was right about that. That's exactly
what happened. But I also think there's like a competitiveness
(12:02):
with Peyton, which is Peyton's a broadcaster, you know what
I mean, and everybody, unlike some of the other broadcasters,
none of the ballooms, everybody. I think that broadcast is great.
People love it. I think it's gonna be like, I'm
gonna trust these guys. Yeah, I'm gonna, I really do so.
I bet he's gonna be awesome when I lost.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
When I you know, I tell my kids, you know
they're tired of hearing it.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
But I always say, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
There's there's certain traits and people that are really important,
and it's not where you went to school. One of
the things that's really important is resilience. Don't be fragile.
You're gonna have shitty days, You're gonna have horrible relationships.
Don't be fragile. These people on the internet go sideways
and upside down because somebody said something I don't like.
(12:53):
You better get over it. Don't be fragile, and you know,
be mobile, be willing to move. But the editor I
tell my kids all the time is in life, you
will compete against yourself. I will never compete against Elon
Musk or probably a ditch digger. I'll compete against people
in my sphere. Intellectually, emotionally, I'll be competing against me. Right,
(13:16):
I'm not gonna neuroscience. I'm not going to be competing
against those people, and probably not against dog walkers, right, Like,
I know where I'm competing against, and and and I
think so, I think what my point is, if you're competing,
it's almost life's like boxing.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
There's weight class in your weight class.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
That's right, You're competing essentially in life against yourself.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You know this is so Wild's made fun of me
for this, And maybe I said this to you already
on a podcast. If not, I don't care, I'll say
it again because it's it's I truly feel this way,
which is I just said kind of flippantly to Wilde's
once about a different broadcaster. I was like, oh, they're
one of my rivals. And he's like, what do you mean,
(13:59):
like you have a bad relationship with him? Like, no,
I've never met him. He's like, you just said they're
your rival. I'm like, well, they're on the national scene
and they're about my age. I must be more successful
than them. And he was like, you're you You're insane, buddy.
I'm like no. I was like, everybody has this, and
he was adamant, No, No, normal people don't. And I'm
(14:23):
so glad because you didn't say it. But I think
you did too. It seems like as you were coming up, Oh,
you knew who the other guys in yours you put
a weight class were, and I need to beat them
is wrong because you're not rooting for them to fail.
But I need to be the valedictorian of the class,
so to speak. That's how I've always felt and so
(14:46):
like the person he was like. He said to me,
he's like some name Arrival. And I said, really, the
most ridiculous one, because this person has almost a universal
Brewer rating. But I said, Mina Chimes. I was like,
she's my age. He's everyone thinks she's super smart. She
talks to you, she didn't talk about everything. She's my rival.
I was like, I'm sorry. I was like, it just
(15:08):
is like I hope she does well, but I need
to do better. I was like, this is like, this
is just how my brain works. And so yes, like
I like and again I'm not speaking for Tom because
I don't know him at all. You know him somewhat.
I don't know him at all, but I would imagine
Tom looks at brought other broadcasters. Now is his rivals
(15:29):
like I need to be the best, which is why
he the other thing. And I did say this to you.
I think when Tom was on with you, you asked
him about Patrick, and he had it was an unbelievable answer,
which is he was super complimentary. And then he was like,
(15:53):
and you know, anybody who can get to seven Super
Bowls like you know, I tip my cap to him,
and it was to me a very intentional kind of
setting of the ground rules, like, oh yeah, anybody can
say he's going to be the goat, no problem at all.
But just so we're clear, if he doesn't get to
seven Super Bowls, it's not a conversation like I don't
(16:15):
want to hear about MVPs and I don't want to
hear about yards. I don't like he was. I think
he is competitive in everything, and it's like, I'm the
greatest football player ever and this whole idea that this
guy might be better than me one day. Okay, sure, but
don't you come to me with his yards and touchdowns
and MVPs if he only has five Measley super Bowls,
(16:38):
because the barrier to entry is seven. And I just
and I think that's I respect that.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I think about this a lot because I do criticize
athletes at times about how remarkable athletes are. So if
you look at the history of comedy you get to
be the funniest guy in the world for about three
to five years. Ben Stiller, Jim Carrey, there was Drew
Carey twenty five years ago.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Mike Myers, by the way, he's very charitable to include
Ben Stiller on The Funniest Guys Worldless. He's pretty good,
pretty good, but go ahead. Maybe he's a friend. I
don't know who you're having drinks with, but go ahead.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
So if you go look at you know, Chris Rock,
Jerry Seinfeld, Larry David, you know where.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
You're sort of compel yell.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah, so, and then it's very hard to be as
funny because your life experience changes dramatically because there's so
much money in movies and production when you get.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Big, that's right.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, of course hip hop stars similarly, first couple albums
can be fantastic and then the material changed hard.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Athletes, what's really amazing is athletes almost the opposite. Mahomes
is better since he's been paid, Lebron was better when
he was paid. Is that athletes, unlike other entertainers, often
feel a guilt or a pressure to elevate their greatness
(18:20):
when they're paid. It's very rare when you look at athletes,
they get paid, and I'm sure it happens, but I'm.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Telling it happens not to the great ones. That's what
that's the in between the great ones and everyone else.
Because I think that when you talk about getting paid,
but I think that at every step of your athletic journey,
there has been a getting paid but not actually money
moment where you could relax, you know what I mean.
(18:47):
The kid who when he makes varsity as a freshman
takes his foot off the gas doesn't get the college scholarship.
And the kid who when he goes to college is
a starter early on and takes off the gas doesn't
make the league. So it almost we you know what
I mean, It slowly, but surely weeds. It weeds those
people out because it's such a finite number and there's
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always a new crop of people coming for those jobs.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Also, is that in hip hop, when you win, you're
worshiped by everybody. In comedy, when you're the king of laughs,
you are worshiped by everybody. In sports, when you win,
most of the league hates you.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Hate you.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
So in sports, greatness does not equal worship outside of
your town. It equals kind of a villain, kind of
a target. And that's why music critics tend to be
too soft and and you know movie critics are you know,
they they're they're too in bed with them. Music and
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movie critics and Hollywood. When's the last really tough reporter
that Hollywood had? They don't, So it goes to your
head in music and it doesn't work that way, but
the media in sports kicks the shit out of you
once you're great. It's like, well, you weren't good last
week against Cleveland, And there's a healthy there's a healthy
(20:13):
account ability that doesn't exist in comedy, movies, music. This
accountability standings criticism that I think actually it's like being
tough on your kids. It builds character. So I think you.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Might have just solved might not be the right word,
but you just said something that really crystallized something for me. Okay,
we might have just like, I feel like this is
a real thing that just happened because you talk, you're
talking about the inestween athletes and artists. Yeah, and I'm
(20:55):
not taking I'm really not trying to be unfair or
take a shot. But there are two specific NBA players
that I think, as great as they are, have markedly
underachieved their talent and ability even though they are. One
(21:16):
of them's one of the twenty greatest players ever and
one of them is one of the ten most skilled
players ever. And I think both of them view themselves
more artists than athletes. And those two guys are Kevin
Durant and Kyrie Irv and I think a lot of
what has worked against them and a lot of what
they have pushed against is that they are covered like
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their athletes and not like their artists. That it is
a lot of criticism and a lot of why did
you do this, and a lot of but you didn't
do that, and comparative stuff that athletes are used to.
But they're like, we're fucking artists. I Am out here
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painting a picture and you're asking me these questions, like,
just appreciate the art. Meanwhile, other folks who look at
themselves as I don't want to say, hired guns, but
we are in competition and we are here to win
(22:23):
and you know, to do what we have to do,
haven't been as bothered by the media criticism. But it
does Katie and Kyrie who and again Kyrie, to his credit,
has been unbelievable this year, and Katie post Achilles is
(22:44):
the best Achilles recovery in sports history. So I'm not
trying to be unfair, it really is. I'm not trying
to be unfair and I aren't trying to take a shot,
but they really seem to both struggle with the way
they are covered by the media. And what you just
described about how artists, musicians, or actors or comedians are
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covered by the media is different than how we do athletes.
We don't do when a movie six, when there is
a huge movie release weekend. When Barbie and Oppenheimer come
out the same weekend, there were no articles written like, well,
fucking Oppenheimer, how do you not win that? People are
(23:28):
just like, this was awesome. This was even more awesome.
These are both great. It's and so that I do.
I think there is something there and maybe I can
describe it exactly right, but about the difference between how
athletes and artists are discussed and whether or not you
consider yourself an athlete or an artist, and how you
want to then be discussed in how you feel you
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should be discussed.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I also think basketball more than any sport, and soccer
has some of this as well. I've always compared basketball
to international soccer. Is an artist, Rinaldo is an artist,
Kevin Durant' an artist. Tom Braddy's a football player, right
like Mike Trout's a baseball player, that's different.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
But filming, Lebron's an artists.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
No, No, he's more compartmentalized and strategic artists, aren't they
kind of hear? I mean very much. Lebron's a stacker,
compartmentalize work on this part of the game. Solved this part.
Kevin Durant's not looking to solve. Kyrie Irving's not looking
to solve parts of their game. They're looking to paint
their most beautiful picture. Kyrie had it the other night
(24:34):
with that layup over three Clippers.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yes, yes, exactly right, like that kind even though they
that kind of was, and there is something beautiful about
this and honorable about it where it's like that Kyrie
has worked for He's thirty two, so call it twenty
five years on every little bit of his ability in
(25:01):
order to pull off that one moment. And I know
he's obviously done way more than that, but I'm saying,
like that was of physics and basketball impossibility.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
It was incredible, was his? It was his Mona Lisa,
it was his.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yes, exactly right, it was, And it was like, oh,
you are probably literally the only human being who's ever
lived who could do that, Like I believe that I
really believe that. Yeah, And I think there's for Kyrie,
He's like in God damn it, you guys still credit
like do you not see it? Like do you not understand?
(25:38):
But because it's sports, were like, yeah, but you're lost
and you haven't been in the finals in eight years
because it's sports, And so yeah, I do think there
is I want to think about this more because you
said it in real time, but I do think there
is something really to that, and I think there is.
(25:59):
I'm gonna start like looking at because you know, another
guy who I think was as much as you can
be in football, closer to artists than athlete, is my Palodell.
I think there was a lot of like, yeah, look
at this show I am putting on. Of course, look
(26:20):
at what I can do that I have worked on
and honed and the beauty of it. Yeah, And then
but he's also a guy who never felt he was
given a fair shake by the media, you know what
I mean, who never felt it was that that that
it was that he was covered fairly.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, I think and I think about that a lot.
With basketball, it is it's it's a canvas. There are players,
you know, Michael had some kind of a almost mechanical.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Mid range.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Michael scored most of his points on two to three moves.
Kobe was more artist. He had a side of the
key he liked. But now Michael and Kobe both Michael
would do these flips over his head or the switch hands.
But Michael really scored. Michael really his game was not
mechanical is the wrong word.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
He was sategic.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
It was really strategic. It was really efficient. It was
really remarkable, and Michael would just go back to what
he did over and over. By the way, I would
compare Michael to Mahomes, there is absolute artistry, but Mahomes
is better today than four years ago. For the same
reason Michael was better his second three pete than his
first is that he took the layups and he had
(27:39):
great discretion on use of energy. Like Michael knew hold
it off.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
He really.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Actually it's almost like a kid. When kids are eight,
you just they have a biting stage, they have a
punch the sister stage. It's all inappropriate, but they have
so much energy they can't control themselves. Michael came into
the league. He could have scored sixty at nine, and
he wanted to I always call you have the show
off stage, the title stage, and the mogul stage, and
you can't stop here. Lebron used to chase people down
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on Tuesday games in Denver and block a ball off
the backboard. It meant nothing. It was the show off stage.
Look at my gifts. But Michaels and Mahomes now take
the laps. They can serve energy. Like Patrick could run
all the time. He runs on third and one or
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fourth and one in the fourth quarter. He could do
that all game.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
So that is so that is, and I know we're
going along so we can wrap the But I do
wonder of all the things that people could learn from Mahomes.
I don't know why more quarterbacks haven't copied his situational running.
(28:56):
You might not be able to listen the kid played
baseball as dad was a baseball player of the arm Angles,
or you know, there's only probably five quarterbacks in the
league if that who can throw it as far as him.
He has a I don't remember the word for it.
It's like something it's not photographic. It's like didactic. I
think memory as far as like his ability to there's
(29:17):
certain things, but what is copyable is the understanding of
the riskiest thing I can possibly do is run. It
is also wildly effective, and I am going to recognize
that both of those things are true. And so I
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am basically never going to do it on first or
second down, and I am not even going to do
it on third down if it's early in the game
in the regular season. But that then also means teams
are slightly less prepared for it when I do it,
and I am more one hundred percent, or even two
(30:02):
years ago when he had the bad ankle, I am
more I have a couple bursts in me to make
sure I get where I need to get to. And
it just seems like because I think Mahomes is a
good athlete. I obviously he's a good athletes, but I'm
saying I think he is a better athlete than people
think because he's never caught man he when is the
(30:26):
last time Mahomes chose to run in a big spot
and didn't get where he was trying to get to, Like,
And so now, if you ran all the time, it
would happen all the time. And maybe Josh Allen's a
unique case because he's bigger than everybody, so we can
deal with it. But I just think more of those guys.
I also think that, you know, I was skeptical of
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Jade and Daniels because he's he's one hundred and ninety pounds,
one hundred and ninety five pounds. I also think there
is something too that picture of Mahomes with his shirt off,
where it's like, oh, that's actually what your quarterback should
look like. I have a little extra, you know, like
the and I understand Brady in his later years looked
(31:10):
more chiseled.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Oh, he's much more chiseled now than he was as
a player.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Correct, exactly right. It's like, no, I'm gonna have muscle
underneath a layer of protection almost, you know what I mean.
And I think that is uh. I think that's smart.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Like I don't called it pudding, he said, like brock
Hewart's a friend of mine. Brock couldn't put on weight,
and he's like skinny quarterbacks like Matt Ryan tried to
put on weight.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, you know who had it too? Was Peyton? Yeah, Peyton?
You know what I mean? Peyton? Was you ever seen
Peyton in person? Peyton's you realize how big these damn
quarterbacks are. But Peyton when he was playing wasn't like,
you know, like bodybuilder type. He had a layer of
protection and.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
So yeah, and it also what matters to you? I
said this, I called an NFL head coach on Will
Levis's combine when he was wearing a shirtless yes ripped.
It was very Brady Quinn and I said, I'm out
on him. And he goes call this NFL head coach
successful coach, he said, Colin, it was the talk of
(32:21):
a road trip me and the GM went on recently.
That was the talk of the he cares deeply about.
His girlfriend was beautiful. He's a good looking guy, big
man on campus in Kentucky at basketball school. He's the
football star Will Levis's I'm going to show you my build,
literally a successful GM and coach said they went on
(32:41):
a drive and that it was the topic of conversation
like he's got the wrong priorities.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
On that note, and we can, you know, leave it
at this. I am shocked. So I don't know if
you saw this reporting, but Spencer Rattler evidently was on
a Netflix dock six years ago when he was in
high school. Did you see any of this column? Okay,
(33:07):
so there was a Lebron's company produced a Netflix documentary
called QB One and it was basically they followed around
I didn't see it some top high school quarterback prospects
on their journey, you know what I mean? Like, what's
it like to be one of the top prospects in
America as a sixteen year old sixteen? And evidently Spencer
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Rattler was a real dick as a kid, was mean
to his backup quarterback, was a bit of a bully,
was kind of like your stereotypical mean, popular jock. And
Ian Rappaport reported that multiple teams brought it up to
him before the draft, like yeah, we just we and
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it's like, dude, this guy was literally sixteen years old,
Like I don't know, man, like, please don't use against
me in a job interview. How I treated like come on,
and so so here's why I bring that up. I
don't even care about Spencer Ratler in that art. I
am shocked no one has talked about what Shador Sanders
and to be fair, Dion have been doing these last
(34:12):
couple of days, just punching down in guys that left
the school. And if you're Dion, and I have massive
respect for Dion in general. But if you're Dion, it's like, man,
this guy was one of your players, and you're like,
where are your stats at? Like you are one of
the most famous athlete coaches in America and this is
(34:35):
a twenty year old Like that doesn't seem right. But
then shador like buddy, people are talking about use the
number one pick of the draft, and you're on Twitter
just shit talking guys like I can't imagine that's not
going to be a problem in a year. Oh, I
just can't.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
It's already being discussed. It's absolutely being discussed in the league.
It's not a good look at all.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
That's what I think. I just I think, like, listen,
any position other than quarterback, I don't think people would care.
Same Travis Hunter, who's going to be a top ten
pick on Colorado.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I almost like it from an edge rusher, I want
you to be obnoxious, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I mean, there's certainly a corner like there are a
certain spot, you know what I mean, Like Travis Hunter,
like corner wide receiver. It's like, Okay, the guy's a
little out of his mind, you know what I mean?
Maybe you know talks in the third person. Great, love it.
I've actually seen that archetype go to the Hall of Fame,
fair or not. And again, I'm not even saying it's right.
(35:32):
What I am saying is if Spencer Rattler can fall
a full round as rap report was sawing about because
of how he acted as a junior in high school, yeah,
then what are these same teams going to be saying
about someone who knows they're a potential top ten pick?
(35:54):
Yeah in twelve months. It just seems wild. Nick.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
It's a glaring lie of self awareness. It's really bad.
It's being discussed, and I think it's the difference between
going one and fifteen.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
That's what I mean. So that's what I'm talking about.
And I want to be very clear here because I'm
not trying to be the old man yelling the cloud saying.
I'm not even arguing that it is one should care
about this at all. I'm saying all of NFL history
tells me a lot of teams do. A lot of
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teams one hundred percent do care about this, and it
just seems risky. And the difference, by the way, between
going one and going fifteen, it's not just I don't
even care about the dollar amount of the first contract,
But it does have a lot to do with how
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if you're not good early, how much margin of error
do you get to hell of a lot easier to
move off from Kenny Pickett at fifteen or Mac Jones
at fifteen, then it is from a number one pick
you know what I mean somebody, And so I just
find that a little God.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Yeah, it hasn't made the show because the NBA playoffs
have been so good and the NFL is so big, but
it's it is something I've noticed and thought, eh, don't
do that.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
You know, it's funny. It hadn't made our show either,
but today I mentioned it during commercial break. I'm like,
it gonna sounds silly. I was like, I think what
I said was, I think we're two tweets away from
this being a top two more tweets, and I think
it's enough for us to put it in the show.
Yeah I do.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Nick Wright, as always money, thanks buddy.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Absolutely great time talk to you letter the volume.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
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