November 29, 2024 • 42 mins
Today on The Herd, Jonas Knox and LaVar Arrington fill-in and react to the Bears disastrous clock management vs the Lions on Thanksgiving.
Senior NFL Reporter for TheMMQB, Albert Breer jumps on to break the news that the Bears decide to fire head coach Matt Eberflus.
Plus, a rant about “Happy Thanksgiving!”
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
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I had a whole lot of corn brand out there.
Oh yeah, I'm looking at some corn breeding.
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Speaker 3 (01:18):
I wish we could hang out with our peeps for
longer than that, but we'll make it work.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Yeah, you know, let's let's do what we can do.
So let's dive right into it, because there is a
I'll just put it this way. Whatever issues you have
in your life, and there could be a lot of
things going wrong, just take solace in the fact you're
be man. That is correct, which.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Is funny because only up till recently you would have
said that.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
About both these days. It's just now, all of a sudden,
it's cool to be a Lions fan. I mean, Detroit
Lions are staring an eighth loss in a row on Thanksgiving,
even in the midst of being the best team in
football potent, I still want to oh my god, they
were trying. I mean, you got to halftime and the
Bears had I think one or two first downs that
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they picked up on the final drive before half. Other
than that, the Lions were dominating and it was only
a two score game and it's sixteen nothing. You're thinking, well,
it's a little bit close. And then as this happened and.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
It gets real close, like wait, wait, hold on a second,
like it feels like.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
A blowout because it's not a blowout, because this is
the same thing that has gone on for this team,
and we've talked about it on our show at nauseum, like, hey,
there's a theme here. Caleb Williams figures things out league games.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Caleb Williams is good man, dude, and kind of sucks
that he's in the situation.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
And he was rolling and then somehow, someway they figure
out a way to crap it away and blow the
game and cost themselves an opportunity to win.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
All right, let me ask you this before we go
any further. Yeah, because we've had multiple conversations of about
Caleb Williams and had he gone to a better organization,
Caleb Williams is probably talked about much differently than how
he is right now. He was under duress like all gangs,
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like Zadarius, all those guys Like I didn't realize he's
the most hit quarterback in the league, but he was.
He was picking himself up the entire game. That is
a real thing, Like you can get hit so much
as a quarterback that at some point you're you're ruined.
Who was that car the first car? Not not that
David Carr was ruined by just getting they hit him
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too much.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Well, you gotta ask Ephrom Salam his thoughts on that,
because Ephram Salon, you know, he doesn't agree with that. Well,
he just thinks, say, listen, man, you know when when
the guy's scrambling and he runs out of bounds four
yards behind the line of scrimmage, that counts as a
sack giving up on the offensive line. Yeah, he's all
throw the ball away, so that doesn't you know. Yeah,
but they let that man get hit way too much.
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Shots out.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
In all respect to my homie he from He's a
good dude, that's my guy. But let me tell you something.
Y'all was letting that man get hit too much and
he got shell shocked, bro like. And I think that
Caleb is not going I just don't think he has
the mental makeup to become a shell shocked type of
guy or finds himself with the yips because of everything
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that took place.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
But what I will say.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Is he continues to compete, and he continues to try
to find a way yet instill. And I think that's
always going to be the conversation about someone who could
possibly be a franchise guy bona fide at the league level,
is they do it in spite of this Bears team
is not a good team. They have some pieces on
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both sides of the ball, but for some strange reason,
they have not found a way to be a better
team than what they have been yet. I look at
this and I say, you got a Dooms. You you
got Keenan Island who finally meant right.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
That's beautiful. Right.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
The artistry, I would say, you do have the makings
of saying, Okay, build out, build out, build out. Develop
this year, figure out what you need to do to
put in place for for Caleb. Like you got a
running back, Like if you keep swift and swift stays
healthy healthy. You've got a running back. You've got receivers,
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You've got a few offensive linemen. You need more, uh,
you have, you have linebackers, you have, you have a secondary,
but you need more.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
If they can.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Figure out how to build a formidable group of personnel
around Caleb Williams, next year could be serious because this
is a competitive team that can't win right now. They're
not a non competitive team. This is not a team
that you're looking at and it's like the game we'll
talk about after this one. It's not like you're looking
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at a New York Giants team that you really have
nothing to stand on at all. This is a team
where you could say, I feel really good about Caleb Williams.
Just don't ruin it. Don't ruin it for the city,
don't ruin it for this this this player that is.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Such a young bright star. Don't ruin it.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Do what you need to do. I don't care if
it's a coaching change. Bring in somebody that he can
relate to or that understands what's going on like they're
out there. I mean, we'll talk about the Green Bay game.
I have more and more of a respect for Matt
Lafleur every single day, Bro, every single day, my my,
(06:43):
My build up and and and growth of respect for
what he does as a coach gets higher.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Bring in a guy.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
If this guy currently is not the guy to do it,
cut the cord now. Bring in a guy that can
get the most, like a Campbell, that can get the
most out of this team, so that you can get
the most out of Kayleb Williams. It would be one
of the biggest waste if Cayleb Williams doesn't turn out
to be one of the top quarterbacks in this League.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Well, the guy that you're referring to is Matt Matt
eberfl I almost said Lafloor. Yeah, it was because you
wanted it to be well, I did, because they'd be
nine to three. Instead they're four and eight and uh,
and they're looking at another top ten draft pick based
on how the season is gone. But Matt Eberflus uh
spoke today with the media in Chicago and tried to
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explain away what the hell was going on the final
thirty seconds of that game with a timeout remaining. What
are you doing?
Speaker 5 (07:47):
It?
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Just what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
And and and for the record, Jonas for the record,
you gotta think about this. If the receiver he keeps running,
that's six points. If you watch the play again, the
receiver turns around, slows down. If the receiver keeps running,
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that's six points. That's six points. It's the whole oddo
So the ball was where it needed to be. But
I will say this, they should have called time. Yeah,
and so Maddie, and they should have been moving quicker
than what they were on the play before.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
But go so Maddy. Eberflus spoke earlier about his decision
to knock all the time out there.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
We got sacked and it was you know, third and
twenty six, you know, with the thirty six seconds there,
got sacked there at thirty two, and then our decision
at that point was to be on the ball, hold
our time out and get the playoff at fifteen to
ten seconds in that range, throw it into into the
field goal range there, and then call timeout and then
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kicked the game winner on fourth down. The operation wasn't
fast enough and we didn't do a good job of
executing there in that moment, and that was the decision
that we made and went with during that time. And
also know that the other option that you could have
had was at you know, thirty to twenty eight seconds,
you call time out there and then you have no timeouts,
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you throw the ball the same type of play throw
it in there, and then you do your fast field
goal into the game there and then kick the game
or the game tire.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
There to force it to overtime.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
So those are the two options that we had.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
We want the first option. Yeah, it wasn't close. Yeah,
those were those were the two options. Did you know
that at the time, because I don't know that Anyboddy
do that at the time.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
They were moving so slow for one for two, like
this is the last play of the game, Like you
knew that when they were snapping the ball, it was
like three seconds left right something like that. Six seconds,
six seconds. Call time out. What's the last play of
the game.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
When he gets sacked, call time out. It's third down.
You can run a quick play, get down and spike it,
just like you did the previous week when you set
up for the tying field goal against Minnesota or run
a play out of bounds. What you just need a
field goal to tie. He's a proper against Look, I'm
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telling you right now. I wonder if if they're so
scared of attempting a field goal based on what's half
in the past couple of weeks and they're like, yeah,
we know three ties, but we're gonna go for the win.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Here.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I cannot explain what that was. I don't And look,
Caleb Williams had he should have called time out of
He's culpable in this as well too. But the coach
is supposed to be the fail safe for a rookie
quarterback or any quarterback for that matter. He's the guy
running the team. He's standing there looking around and even
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Tony Romo, who hasn't prepped for a game in thirty years,
is saying, well, what are you doing? Call time out, Jim.
Everybody's saying watch it like I'm watching in shock. Like
my son is rifling down a cinnamon roll faster than
anything I've ever seen in my life. He looks like
the fat eye off stand by me in the pie
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eating contest, and I've got to make sure he's not choking.
But I'm looking at the bears ga and go, what
is happening here? I can't. I don't get it. None
of it makes any sense. That's what makes it make sense,
is the lack of sense. Is it worse than the
Hail Mary loss? Because I think that's what I was saying.
Commanders showed you how to do it. Why did you
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do it the way they did it? You can't swear
to god, I think it's worse than the commanders.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
They were close. They were close. They were close, and
like you said, it wasn't a lot of time. But
they only needed three points. They only needed three points.
So I'm going to take my chances with trying to
get the balls out of keep the ball going out
of pounds for the couple plays that you had. Maybe
you do a deep ball. Maybe you do it deep
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ball to get into what would be perceived as Phiel
gold rains, and you take a try at it and
see if you could get it into overtime.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
That's I mean, you weren't.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
No one was expecting this team to be that close
to Detroit and and for what it's worth, it didn't
feel like a game that was close. It just it
felt like they were getting dominated. They were getting handled
up front. The running game was working. They talked about
Sonic and Knuckles, you know, the backfield being as impressive
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as it is for.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Such cheesy Jesus.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Their shoes were kind of tight though, like the Sonic,
the Hedgehog and the Knuckle shoes that they were kind
of tight.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Let's be cartoon characters like well their shoes, Okay, their
shoes in their nicknames. I mean you had earth Wind
and Fire for the Giants with Bradshaw and Jacobs and
who was the third one on that Bradshaw Jacobs, who
was the third one? There was another one? Uh, I'm
forgetting this and and ah man what's his name with
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the other running back?
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah, I played with him. I can't remember it off
the top of my head, but they were earth winding
fire like the singing group.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Uh, Derek, Derek, Derek, Derek, Derek, Derek what's his last name?
Come on, man, come on, come on, Lee Derek White. No, no, no.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Anyway, I'm just saying. Derek Ward shouts out. I'm sorry,
Derek d Ward. Listen, that's a good backfield and that's
a really good team and they are as good as advertised.
I just felt as though that was interesting because the
Bears had a strong opportunity to take advantage of a
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divisional opponent that is the top in the NFC and
possibly get it to overtime or possibly even maybe after
getting dominated dominated the way, that they did actually have
a chance to win the game. And and they they
they blewed opportunity.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
You know, made a great point that so old and
cruiz guy you played against Chicago Bear legend. So he
was doing a postgame show on the score in Chicago,
and he made a great point where he said, I
was watching the game, and for the first time I
realized all the Bears have the playmaker at quarterback, Like
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if somebody is gonna win, like if if if one
of the quarterbacks was going to win that game for
for their team. It was going to be Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Barratt, No, I'm.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Not saying on the year. In that game yesterday, Caleb
Williams was one making and then it just comes getting
laced up though, bro laced up and then like he
took that hit to the hip or whatever it was,
and then threw a touchdown pass. Right afterwards, he threw
the dime to DJ Moore and and on the sideline
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into the end zone.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Bro, lads, play was a dime for a touchdown. Everybody
out there listening, you get an opportunity. Look at the
last player the Bears Detroit Lion game. It was in
position to be a touchdown catch. If that receiver runs
to the point of where the ball is supposed to
where the ball was, if he's running instead of turned
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around looking turn around, look go like get the ball.
If he does that, that's six points. I mean, that's
six points. So I'm with you there and I'm oling
on that, but I ain't going I'm not going to
under sail what Jared right to the table.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
And Jared was bringing it to the table yesterday too.
There's no under selling, but Detroit was rattled down the stretch.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I don't think they could understand why the game was
as close as it was, the way.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
They were playing, and the Bears bailed them out with
another disaster. When it comes to situational football, which situational
football is that? Or is that not on the coach?
Like I mean, the situation old football is on the
coach just ridiculous. But I know at least it's a
good conversation. It is The Herd here on Fox Sports Radio,
(16:12):
LeVar Arrington and Jonas Knox in for Colin. So we
are going to have a conversation with somebody next here
on the show, and we're going to find out whether
or not we could see a major change for one
coach in the NFL before the end of the day.
That'll be yours right here on FSR.
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Speaker 4 (16:40):
It's The Herd, Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox
in for Colin in company here on the show. All right,
So coming up, we are going to have a very
special edition of the Herdline news. It's a herdline news
you've never heard before, So we will get into that
for you right now. You're on FSR. But right now
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we turn it over to Albert Breer, Amazon NFL on
Prime Insider, Senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist at the
MMQB at Albert Breer on ex Abe. We know it's
the game this weekend, but we do have some breaking
news that I think you just tweeted out according to
sources in Chicago.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Yeah, so the Bears are firing that he reflues, Thomas
Brown's going to be the interim coach. We're still getting
this and as.
Speaker 7 (17:30):
As we go along here, but yeah, I mean, I
guess not not a real shocker. It's actually interesting because
the Bears coaches were set to you know, get you know,
go through their meetings and everything else and be off
at New and Central today. So so now it's done
and Thomas Brown takes over for the time beating and.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
You're obviously a lot a lot of.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
The compu We just talked about this in the first segment.
I mean, if you're going to cut the court, cut
the court because you don't want to risk the actual
deal of being one of the teams or a team
that falls on the list of biggest waste of player
of a draft pick in the history of the game.
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And I think we all see the potential in Caleb
Williams ab I'm curious how much of this game had
to do with with him, you know, losing his job.
Was this do you do you feel like this was
something in the making or was this purely based upon
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the bad clock management at the end of the game
and the fact that they could have possibly won against
the top team in their division and in the conference
on Thanksgiving?
Speaker 5 (18:44):
Yeah, I'd say this was maybe like the final straw,
you know what I think, Levars. You know, like these
things a lot of times can come down to where
the locker room is on the coach right, and you know,
as things get as a heat turns up, sometimes there's
finger pointing and everything else. And you know, I don't
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think any team, you know, even if things go really
bad once to go through this sort of upheaval in
the season where they fire an offensive coordinator find our
head coach a couple of weeks later. However, I do
think some of the things that happened at the end
of the game last year, last yesterday, play into this
and maybe the biggest thing to me at least is
where you know you have where is where you have
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a situation where clearly, you know rookie quarterback was sort
of struggling with what to do in the in the
final minute, and I you know, you watch Caleb, you
can see the wheels turning in his head. And I
don't think that in a vacuum is the end of
the world. What I do think is a problem is
when Mattieberflus stepped to the podium afterwards and and and
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basically more or less absolved himself and his staff of blame.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
You know. I just think that's one.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Of those situations where, you know, even if it was
on Kleb after a rookie quarterback out there, it's on
you for not managing that situation accordingly, you know. And
so whether it's having the guy, you're having the guy
more ready for the situation, or or knowing that he's
going to struggle in that situation so you call the
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time out quicker, regardless of what it is, like, you
can't point the finger at the player, you know, And
I think that that's how you lose a team. And
I'm not saying that iber Flutes lost the team completely.
They obviously played hard yesterday and they have played hard
this year in general. You know, But I think in
a situation like that, that's where you start to look
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at it and say, Okay, that a misspanaged situation. Again,
it's not the thing that's happened. We already pulled the
trigger on changing offensive coordinators, and you know, and now
here we go, like, you know, how is the coach
going to react to it in the aftermath? And the
aftermath it was you know, I think was trying to
be honest. You know, I don't think he was. I
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don't think there was only intent, But you know, I
think that you know, if you're a player in that
locker room, you look at and you say, well, you're
blaming a rookie. You know, it's not really the right
thing to do in that situation.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Albert Breer joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, Amazon,
NFL on Prime Insider, senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist
at the MMQB with the breaking news that the Chicago
Bears have just fired Matt Eberfluss as head coach following
yesterday's disastrous ending, and they've never done this in the
history of the organization. They've been around over a century
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and they've never fired a coach in season. And one
of the conversations that was being had before the game was, well,
if they get blown out and it looks really ugly,
could there be a coaching change on Friday? I almost think, look,
if they would have lost that game by you know,
sixteen seventeen points, whatever it was, Matt Eberflus is still
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the coach. It's just the optics of how that all
played out just not great. And when you consider end
of game situations like Washington, you know, the Packers, and
then the next week they get a field goal blocked
again from the same exact spot, it just felt like
it was heading in this direction. My question to UAB
would be, what normally it feels like this is where
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they would go in the direction of an offensive minded
coach for the permanent job. And you know, Ben Johnson's
Name's been out there, so there's some good candidates.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
Though, agree with you, Here's where I would here, here's
you know where my my warning about that sort of
idea comes in. I just feel like sometimes as well,
that's just too and I hate to put it that way,
but it's like like I think sometimesation is when you
go one way and it doesn't work to correct by
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going the other direction altogether, you know what I mean. Like,
so we didn't like the defensive coach, We're gonna go
with the offensive coach. We didn't like the first coach,
so we're going to go with the experience coach. We
didn't like the players coach, so we're going to go
with the hard ass, you know what I mean. Like,
And I feel like teams do that enough times and
you start to lose any sort of identity the franchise
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might have or have an opportunity to build, you know.
So like I just you know, and again, like you know,
I think you can see that in the Bears, right, Like,
so the Bears went from you know, the offensive guru
and Mark Tressman, then to then go on with the
experienced you know, super Bowl coach and Shohn Fox, then
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back to the young offensive guru and Matt and Maggy,
then to the rising experienced defensive coach and Eberflus to
swing right back, you know what I'm saying. Like I
think sometimes you do that enough times and it's like,
well you're not really doing anything, you know what I mean? Like, so, yeah,
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I agree with you that they need people around Caleb
Williams to nurse here him and bring him along. I
also think you can kind of cut off your knees
to fight your face sometimes if you're just looking at
one bucket, Like I think the Pars owe it to
themselves here to not like limit themselves that way, and
maybe you wind up on the offensive coach anyway. But
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last time I checked, well, Tom Brady had a pretty
good career playing for Bill Belichick. Russell Wilson had a
great decade playing for Pete Carroll. Lamar Jackson's had had
a great career to this point playing for John Harbaugh,
you know what I mean? Like, so, I mean you
show me the evidence. I mean, yeah, you have Andy
Reid and Patrick Holmes. So it's happened, you know, for sure.
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But I don't think there's overwhelming evidence that you have
to do it that way to get it right with
the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Abe.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
You mentioned a lot of coaches there that have had
success with their quarterbacks. Another team, another two teams that
were playing.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
I'll give you one more I'll give you one more.
One more that's a guy because I don't I don't
want to be I don't want to be disrespectful here.
But another obvious one Jim Mora and Antony Done and
Peyton Manning.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Right, yeah, okay, that's a good one.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Anyway, anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Well, I was going to ask when you look at
what took place with the Cowboys and the Giants yesterday.
Obviously in a way a feel good story for the
Cowboys to be able to find their way to a
two game winning streak after losing their franchise quarterback to injury.
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But then you look at the other side of it
and it's like, wow, what a really really bad team
in the New York Giants. And looking at it, not
many people would say day Ball is a bad coach.
In fact, many people lot the type of coach that
day Ball is. But is it has it come to
(25:53):
a point of where, maybe, you know, looking at it
from what their record is a two win record and
they just lose again on on Thanksgiving, that his time
is is more so than now with with you know McCarthy,
out of those two teams in nfcas if you would
have said to me, which got which team is going
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to go for a new head coach come to the
off season. I would have said one it would be
the Cowboys. Wow, now it looks like it's going to
be the New York Giants.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Yeah. I mean there's a lot there, LeVar, Like I
would say, like it's uglier right now in New York.
I mean, I think here here's the one. I mean,
I think you have to give McCarthy some credit for
them fighting the last couple of weeks the way they
have right Like they've looked dead at points, and I mean,
so to draw that sort of performance, you know, coming
out of a really ugly loss on Monday night to Houston,
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what was that now ten days ago, eleven days ago?
I mean, like I think, like just getting the effort
they've gotten, you know in Washington against a good commander's team,
and then you know on Thanksgiving and winning going away
against the Giants, Like I as, without Dak Prescott, that's
a cdee lamb that beat up. So Micah Parson is
probably still not at one hundred percent right Like though,
(27:13):
I think you got to give Mike McCarthy some credit,
Like it might not save his job because his contracts
up and everything else. But you know, certainly I think
he deserves I think certainly I think you you know,
you look at him, and you know he deserves some
credit for that, you know, Like I think the Giants
right now, I think the intention is to keep Brian
Davell and Joe Shannon charge. And I think it's part
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partly an acknowledgment that after that first year, they still
had a long way to go and the rosters still
need to be rebuilt in a very serious way. Now,
you know, I think you look at like the foundation there,
and there is a foundation in place with the left
tackle Andrew Thomas, receiver of the league, neighbors, the guys
in the defensive front Dexter Lawrence might be the defensive
player of the year, Brian Burns. So there's a foundation
(27:59):
in place. I think the problem is you can counteract
that with two things now, right. Number one, it's Daniel
Jones and Saquon Barkley and the decisions they made on
those contracts and what those look like two years out right,
and then where the team is headed in the trajectory,
right like, so you know, the Marrors planned to be
(28:21):
patient and take their time and you know, give Joe
Judge another year in twenty one, and then that press
conference happened at the end and everything came unraveled. And
so like, I think the Marors want to keep day
ball in Shane, but couldn't like really unravel and go
the way that things went with Judge two or three
years ago. I think that certainly could be the case.
(28:43):
So you know, again like if they can, if they can,
oh look competent and put an effort, and when a
couple of games down the stretch, I think they'll be okay.
If things unravel, you know, we could be talking about
something else.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Albert brew joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, Lebar Arrington,
Jonas Knox in for Colin Coward here on the Herd.
So obviously, you know the news of Maddie Brifflu's being
fired a short time ago, and the conversation about you know,
other coaches that could be out after this season or
possibly in season if you were just to bet right now,
(29:17):
like if you've got feeling obviously the big names that
are out there, Mike Rabel, Bill Belichick, you know, Ben
Johnson potentially if you've got to pick the landing spot
for each of those. Is Chicago in the mix for
either of those Belichick or Mike Rabel and potentially Ben Johnson.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
So, Ben Johnson, I think if you'd asked them a
year ago, it might have been the shot he wanted.
I don't know if that's gonna be the case the
same way. They're in division with them obviously, you know.
But but I but I know he had interest last year,
So I think that's possible. And like I do think
they've got the infrastructure where he could just coach. I'm
(29:58):
a little less certain with Belichick and Brave life. The
job in a vacuum would appeal to Belichick, and I
was able to the question is like you've got Kevin
Warren as a team president, you got Ryan Poles as
the general manager, Like how did this whole thing look
under verybel under Belichick, Because unless they're going to be
able to shape the organization a certain way, they may
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be hesitant to go there.
Speaker 6 (30:22):
You know.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
So I think, you know, like you you know, you
look at a Ben Johnson, who's you know, ostensibly the
first time, first time head coach going to go there
chess to coach, and I think it really could be
a very attractive job with Caleb there and the roster
they have in placed and everything else. You know, for
guys like verbel and Belichick who may have like a
more i guess, a more more global look at like
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how they want to set up the entire organization. Unless
those guys are being to make some some bigger changes
than's just who's going to be on their coaching staff,
I think they they could wind up balking at the
idea of ABE.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
I was watching this Dolphins Packers game yesterday and I
just started having all kinds of different conversations with myself,
not with the people who are around me, just in
my own mind and in my own head, and I'm
like thinking about Guna Kunsten all these other individuals, you know, Lafleur,
and I'm like, okay, you know, let it be told
(31:21):
the way you know, Aaron Rodgers kind of aired out
everything going into the season before his last season when
he set things straight as it applied to him in
the front office, and then fast forward to his final
season there and how everything kind of unfolded. If you're
looking at what this Green Bay Packers team looks like
(31:46):
at nine to three, this is as good a team
as it has looked as the Green Bay Packers, as
it did when they made it to the Divisional championship round.
They literally are playing at that high of a level,
and you're doing it with a guy that you drafted
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to replace the guy who seemingly has been the one
common denominator, and they're being confusion and fallout wherever it
is that he's at. What type of what what's the
thought process on them getting the running back getting rid
of Aaron Jones, which I thought was, man, that's a
(32:31):
that's a tough one to kind of recover from. But
nonetheless you do it, and then you you get the
type of you know, the type of production you're getting
from Josh Jacobs. It just seems like they're operating out
of super super high level, maybe even higher than what
it was when Aaron Rodgers is there. How is that
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being perceived by the by the media, by the the
you know, the inner workings of the league.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
L I think like the coolest thing about it is, like,
so last year, I'd say a big part of their
story was Jordan Love got hot at the end of
the year and they were able to go and you know,
get these shootouts and winning that sort of setting us.
Great to see your young quarterback do that. To me,
it's really cool about what's happened since is between the
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hire of Jeff Hafley to run the defense, some of
the moves they made on that side of the ball.
Signing Xavier McKinney was a huge one, you know, and
then and then and then bringing in Josh Jacobs. They're
now a team that can win a million different ways,
you know what I mean. Like, so this is like
an all weather football team that, yeah, I think has
a chance, like even on a day where maybe it's
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snowing sideways and Jordan Love throws for one hundred and
seventy five yards because you can't do more than that
in the past game, the Packers can win that game now,
you know what I mean. And I think it's it's
really a credit to a lot of people there because
they've had good players there for a long time, but
being able to see the finishing pieces, like you know,
(34:04):
even like having the humility to say, maybe we struck
out on our first round Stafe, they didn't strike out,
but just we haven't gotten quite enough out of Darnell Savage,
so like let's let him go and go get Xavier McKinney.
We really love Aaron Jones and everything he's meant to
our franchise, but god, there's an upgrade out there. Let's
go get Josh Jacobs. You know, I just I think
those sorts of decisions are difficult decisions to make that
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they deserve a lot of credit for because those are
the types of things that I think could put them
over the top. Even firing Joe Berry Wott Muffloor is
very close with and bringing in jeffs Hafley. It's I
think across the board. You know, they've done a really
nice job of setting it up a certain way so
their quarterback can be superman, but he doesn't have to
be superman every week. I'm to win. And I think
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you thought last night, and I love the Jacob signing
because I think it sort of fits with Barkley too,
and that running backs. I think I think some of
the smartphone offices looked at it last year coming out
of the season, where like, you know, that position has
been devalued to the point where it's becoming a value again.
Going and getting one of those guys is actually great
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value now. And if you think about it, like and
this is the way the Eagles looked at it. Getting
Saquon Barkley costs them what it costs the Falcons to
go get Darnell Moone. Think about that right now. Darnell
Mooney is a good player, don't get me wrong, and
it's really valuable to Atlanta this year and everything else.
But he's your second or third receiver, and Saquon Barkley
touches the ball three hundred times in a year, you
(35:33):
know what I mean. Like, so it's just I think
it's like it's like the ability to make those adjustments
on the fly, to flip out Jones for Jacobs, to
flip out Savage, for McKinney, to flip out Barry for
for Halfley, and then ultimately, you know, like being willing
to kind of come off of some some things that
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some some preconceived notions that people in the league might
have about certain positions. I think is what put the
Packers where they are.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Yeah, it's like the top three leading rushers in the NFL, Barkley,
Henry Jacobs, all guys whose former team was like, now
we're good here, okay, right, And and.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
It's like if you think about it, and it's like
what are they paying for those guys? I mean, I mean,
like like Henry's making eight million bucks, Like that's their
backup quarterbacks can make that, you know what I mean.
Like it's just it's crazy when you think about it,
because like everybody's gotten so locked into well edge rusher,
you know, left tackle, receiver, corner, quarterback, like and then
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just don't worry about anything else. Well, you know, somewhere
along the line, the pay at those positions dropped to
the point where it's like, okay, all of a sudden,
like this is a really good David McKinney is another
one in safety, you know what, The safety market fell out,
so the Packers are able to get good good be
there because the rest of the league doesn't value them properly.
You know. I think it's a really interesting, interesting thing
(36:53):
that that happened this offseason. I think it's certainly benefited
both the Packers and Eagles.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Albert Breer, with the breaking news of Maddy Reflus being fired,
we didn't have any time to get to the game
this weekend, but we wanted to send you off with
this just to try and get you get you fired up.
Down at the Worshoe I hope y'all lose.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
How about how about this so my seat, I believe
are like almost right on top of the fox.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Set on the field. All right, nice, hey, you better,
you better harass the hell out of Brady Quinn tomorrow. Please.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
Yeah, Like, I see it's too late, but I would
have had you guys send me like Brady Quinn sucks
T shirts. Darn. I could have put all my buddies
in them.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
Oh, I've got I've got a ton of those multiple colors.
We could have we get a decked you all out perfectly, Albert,
thanks when you guys lose, a B. But but good
luck to you. Thanks Amy, we appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
All right, buddy, you're welcome. I wish you luck.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
But but on on the inside, a B. I'm hoping
you guys lose.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
I never Michigan the large practice I fear.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
I feel you there, I feel you there. But you know,
we get that big ten opportunity against Oregon. You guys
didn't want to do it.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
Yeah no, no, no, I understand in that one.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah yeah, all right, there you go. All right, thanks
really hope you had a great Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
There is the great Alber Breer with us here on
Fox Sports Radio. It is LeVar Arrington, Jonas knox In
for Colin and Crew. Here and again the breaking news
out of the NFL. The Bears, for the first time
in franchise history, have fired their head coach in season,
Maddie Reflues done after that lost yesterday to the Lions
and the way it played out. We've got more on
(38:29):
that in a very special edition of The Herdline News,
which is coming up next year on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and Noone Easter, not a Empacific.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
It's The Herd on Fox Sports Radio. LeVar Arrington, Jonas
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You'll see today show posted right after we get off
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Speaker 3 (39:19):
So.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
The breaking news out of the NFL, The Bears a
short time ago announced the firing of Matt eber Fluis
as their head coach. Thomas Brown will serve as the
interim head coach there. So that is the latest from Chicago.
Will album more on that throughout the course of the show.
They met the rule? What's the rule? Dang well? Because
they got rid of flussy right now, it's time for this.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
No, no, this is the herd Line news.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
It's a special one. Screw Ryan Music. Yeah, and Greg Tooey.
I hope they're listening. We're probably not. Yeah, we've got
lead to laugh Lee, what are we looking at? Well?
First off, happy Thanksgiving to you guys.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Did you guys get all your happy Thanksgivings out to
everyone in your rolodex?
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Yeah? Let it run it up?
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Can I just send this message out to everyone? And
a lot of people may sympathize with me here and
agree with me. You may disagree with me. I don't
know if this makes me a bad person. If I
do not text message you, which this has become the norm,
it's not a call.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
Hey, how you doing?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Talk? If I do not text message you on a holiday.
It does not mean I do not care about you.
It's just that I don't really care about the holiday.
So don't feel any type of way. I be feeling anxiety.
Like my phone goes off all day.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Ding ding ding ding ding ding.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
I'm seeing all these people saying Happy Thanksgiving, Happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Life.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Hey, look you guys have that stuff scheduled in your
your phone and all that stuff it goes out, you'll
you got to do, send it hits and all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
That doesn't mean they care about you people. It's just
they feel obligated to do it.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
I don't want to feel obligated to wish you a
merry Christmas, a happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
I don't want to do all of that. I just
don't builds anxiety. It's disingenuous. If I hit you up
and I say I'm checking in you good, then just
know that's important to me. By the way. That's all.
Rob Parker has his own Thanksgiving graphic that he sent
over to me. Look at this, I'm not making it up.
He's got like a meme that's his Happy Thanksgiving from
(41:35):
Rob Parker. Yeah, with a turkey. It looks like you
know he's been smoking crack and then dank what say
it on the bottom. Just know I care about y'all.
I do. I just don't care about the holidays. So
just know that I ain't hit yuh one more.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
Oooh yah, it guess from all at corn breed. Hopefully
I had a whole lot of corn brand out there.
Oh yeah, I'm looking at some corn breeding.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
It is uh, The Herd on Fox Sports Radio. But
it's not Calling Coward. It's not Jason McIntyre, it's not
Ryan Music. There's no Greg Toy to be found. It's
LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here. We do a
show called Two Pros and a Cup and which you
can hear weekday mornings from six to nine am Eastern
(01:04):
time three to six am Pacific time. Normally we do
that show with Brady Quinn. Brady is not with us today,
so it is Styx and Eye keeping you company all
the way up for the next three hours here on
Fox Sports right that.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I wish we could hang out with our peeps for
longer than that, but we'll make it work.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Yeah, you know, let's let's do what we can do.
So let's dive right into it, because there is a
I'll just put it this way. Whatever issues you have
in your life, and there could be a lot of
things going wrong, just take solace in the fact you're
be man. That is correct, which.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Is funny because only up till recently you would have
said that.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
About both these days. It's just now, all of a sudden,
it's cool to be a Lions fan. I mean, Detroit
Lions are staring an eighth loss in a row on Thanksgiving,
even in the midst of being the best team in
football potent, I still want to oh my god, they
were trying. I mean, you got to halftime and the
Bears had I think one or two first downs that
(02:07):
they picked up on the final drive before half. Other
than that, the Lions were dominating and it was only
a two score game and it's sixteen nothing. You're thinking, well,
it's a little bit close. And then as this happened and.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
It gets real close, like wait, wait, hold on a second,
like it feels like.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
A blowout because it's not a blowout, because this is
the same thing that has gone on for this team,
and we've talked about it on our show at nauseum, like, hey,
there's a theme here. Caleb Williams figures things out league games.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Caleb Williams is good man, dude, and kind of sucks
that he's in the situation.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
And he was rolling and then somehow, someway they figure
out a way to crap it away and blow the
game and cost themselves an opportunity to win.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
All right, let me ask you this before we go
any further. Yeah, because we've had multiple conversations of about
Caleb Williams and had he gone to a better organization,
Caleb Williams is probably talked about much differently than how
he is right now. He was under duress like all gangs,
(03:15):
like Zadarius, all those guys Like I didn't realize he's
the most hit quarterback in the league, but he was.
He was picking himself up the entire game. That is
a real thing, Like you can get hit so much
as a quarterback that at some point you're you're ruined.
Who was that car the first car? Not not that
David Carr was ruined by just getting they hit him
(03:38):
too much.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Well, you gotta ask Ephrom Salam his thoughts on that,
because Ephram Salon, you know, he doesn't agree with that. Well,
he just thinks, say, listen, man, you know when when
the guy's scrambling and he runs out of bounds four
yards behind the line of scrimmage, that counts as a
sack giving up on the offensive line. Yeah, he's all
throw the ball away, so that doesn't you know. Yeah,
but they let that man get hit way too much.
(04:00):
Shots out.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
In all respect to my homie he from He's a
good dude, that's my guy. But let me tell you something.
Y'all was letting that man get hit too much and
he got shell shocked, bro like. And I think that
Caleb is not going I just don't think he has
the mental makeup to become a shell shocked type of
guy or finds himself with the yips because of everything
(04:22):
that took place.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
But what I will say.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Is he continues to compete, and he continues to try
to find a way yet instill. And I think that's
always going to be the conversation about someone who could
possibly be a franchise guy bona fide at the league level,
is they do it in spite of this Bears team
is not a good team. They have some pieces on
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both sides of the ball, but for some strange reason,
they have not found a way to be a better
team than what they have been yet. I look at
this and I say, you got a Dooms. You you
got Keenan Island who finally meant right.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
That's beautiful. Right.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
The artistry, I would say, you do have the makings
of saying, Okay, build out, build out, build out. Develop
this year, figure out what you need to do to
put in place for for Caleb. Like you got a
running back, Like if you keep swift and swift stays
healthy healthy. You've got a running back. You've got receivers,
(05:30):
You've got a few offensive linemen. You need more, uh,
you have, you have linebackers, you have, you have a secondary,
but you need more.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
If they can.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Figure out how to build a formidable group of personnel
around Caleb Williams, next year could be serious because this
is a competitive team that can't win right now. They're
not a non competitive team. This is not a team
that you're looking at and it's like the game we'll
talk about after this one. It's not like you're looking
(06:02):
at a New York Giants team that you really have
nothing to stand on at all. This is a team
where you could say, I feel really good about Caleb Williams.
Just don't ruin it. Don't ruin it for the city,
don't ruin it for this this this player that is.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Such a young bright star. Don't ruin it.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Do what you need to do. I don't care if
it's a coaching change. Bring in somebody that he can
relate to or that understands what's going on like they're
out there. I mean, we'll talk about the Green Bay game.
I have more and more of a respect for Matt
Lafleur every single day, Bro, every single day, my my,
(06:43):
My build up and and and growth of respect for
what he does as a coach gets higher.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Bring in a guy.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
If this guy currently is not the guy to do it,
cut the cord now. Bring in a guy that can
get the most, like a Campbell, that can get the
most out of this team, so that you can get
the most out of Kayleb Williams. It would be one
of the biggest waste if Cayleb Williams doesn't turn out
to be one of the top quarterbacks in this League.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Well, the guy that you're referring to is Matt Matt
eberfl I almost said Lafloor. Yeah, it was because you
wanted it to be well, I did, because they'd be
nine to three. Instead they're four and eight and uh,
and they're looking at another top ten draft pick based
on how the season is gone. But Matt Eberflus uh
spoke today with the media in Chicago and tried to
(07:36):
explain away what the hell was going on the final
thirty seconds of that game with a timeout remaining. What
are you doing?
Speaker 5 (07:47):
It?
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Just what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
And and and for the record, Jonas for the record,
you gotta think about this. If the receiver he keeps running,
that's six points. If you watch the play again, the
receiver turns around, slows down. If the receiver keeps running,
(08:14):
that's six points. That's six points. It's the whole oddo
So the ball was where it needed to be. But
I will say this, they should have called time. Yeah,
and so Maddie, and they should have been moving quicker
than what they were on the play before.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
But go so Maddy. Eberflus spoke earlier about his decision
to knock all the time out there.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
We got sacked and it was you know, third and
twenty six, you know, with the thirty six seconds there,
got sacked there at thirty two, and then our decision
at that point was to be on the ball, hold
our time out and get the playoff at fifteen to
ten seconds in that range, throw it into into the
field goal range there, and then call timeout and then
(08:54):
kicked the game winner on fourth down. The operation wasn't
fast enough and we didn't do a good job of
executing there in that moment, and that was the decision
that we made and went with during that time. And
also know that the other option that you could have
had was at you know, thirty to twenty eight seconds,
you call time out there and then you have no timeouts,
(09:18):
you throw the ball the same type of play throw
it in there, and then you do your fast field
goal into the game there and then kick the game
or the game tire.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
There to force it to overtime.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
So those are the two options that we had.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
We want the first option. Yeah, it wasn't close. Yeah,
those were those were the two options. Did you know
that at the time, because I don't know that Anyboddy
do that at the time.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
They were moving so slow for one for two, like
this is the last play of the game, Like you
knew that when they were snapping the ball, it was
like three seconds left right something like that. Six seconds,
six seconds. Call time out. What's the last play of
the game.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
When he gets sacked, call time out. It's third down.
You can run a quick play, get down and spike it,
just like you did the previous week when you set
up for the tying field goal against Minnesota or run
a play out of bounds. What you just need a
field goal to tie. He's a proper against Look, I'm
(10:25):
telling you right now. I wonder if if they're so
scared of attempting a field goal based on what's half
in the past couple of weeks and they're like, yeah,
we know three ties, but we're gonna go for the win.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Here.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I cannot explain what that was. I don't And look,
Caleb Williams had he should have called time out of
He's culpable in this as well too. But the coach
is supposed to be the fail safe for a rookie
quarterback or any quarterback for that matter. He's the guy
running the team. He's standing there looking around and even
(10:59):
Tony Romo, who hasn't prepped for a game in thirty years,
is saying, well, what are you doing? Call time out, Jim.
Everybody's saying watch it like I'm watching in shock. Like
my son is rifling down a cinnamon roll faster than
anything I've ever seen in my life. He looks like
the fat eye off stand by me in the pie
(11:20):
eating contest, and I've got to make sure he's not choking.
But I'm looking at the bears ga and go, what
is happening here? I can't. I don't get it. None
of it makes any sense. That's what makes it make sense,
is the lack of sense. Is it worse than the
Hail Mary loss? Because I think that's what I was saying.
Commanders showed you how to do it. Why did you
(11:41):
do it the way they did it? You can't swear
to god, I think it's worse than the commanders.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
They were close. They were close. They were close, and
like you said, it wasn't a lot of time. But
they only needed three points. They only needed three points.
So I'm going to take my chances with trying to
get the balls out of keep the ball going out
of pounds for the couple plays that you had. Maybe
you do a deep ball. Maybe you do it deep
(12:06):
ball to get into what would be perceived as Phiel
gold rains, and you take a try at it and
see if you could get it into overtime.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
That's I mean, you weren't.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
No one was expecting this team to be that close
to Detroit and and for what it's worth, it didn't
feel like a game that was close. It just it
felt like they were getting dominated. They were getting handled
up front. The running game was working. They talked about
Sonic and Knuckles, you know, the backfield being as impressive
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as it is for.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Such cheesy Jesus.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Their shoes were kind of tight though, like the Sonic,
the Hedgehog and the Knuckle shoes that they were kind
of tight.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Let's be cartoon characters like well their shoes, Okay, their
shoes in their nicknames. I mean you had earth Wind
and Fire for the Giants with Bradshaw and Jacobs and
who was the third one on that Bradshaw Jacobs, who
was the third one? There was another one? Uh, I'm
forgetting this and and ah man what's his name with
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the other running back?
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah, I played with him. I can't remember it off
the top of my head, but they were earth winding
fire like the singing group.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Uh, Derek, Derek, Derek, Derek, Derek, Derek what's his last name?
Come on, man, come on, come on, Lee Derek White. No, no, no.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Anyway, I'm just saying. Derek Ward shouts out. I'm sorry,
Derek d Ward. Listen, that's a good backfield and that's
a really good team and they are as good as advertised.
I just felt as though that was interesting because the
Bears had a strong opportunity to take advantage of a
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divisional opponent that is the top in the NFC and
possibly get it to overtime or possibly even maybe after
getting dominated dominated the way, that they did actually have
a chance to win the game. And and they they
they blewed opportunity.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
You know, made a great point that so old and
cruiz guy you played against Chicago Bear legend. So he
was doing a postgame show on the score in Chicago,
and he made a great point where he said, I
was watching the game, and for the first time I
realized all the Bears have the playmaker at quarterback, Like
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if somebody is gonna win, like if if if one
of the quarterbacks was going to win that game for
for their team. It was going to be Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Barratt, No, I'm.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Not saying on the year. In that game yesterday, Caleb
Williams was one making and then it just comes getting
laced up though, bro laced up and then like he
took that hit to the hip or whatever it was,
and then threw a touchdown pass. Right afterwards, he threw
the dime to DJ Moore and and on the sideline
(15:00):
into the end zone.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Bro, lads, play was a dime for a touchdown. Everybody
out there listening, you get an opportunity. Look at the
last player the Bears Detroit Lion game. It was in
position to be a touchdown catch. If that receiver runs
to the point of where the ball is supposed to
where the ball was, if he's running instead of turned
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around looking turn around, look go like get the ball.
If he does that, that's six points. I mean, that's
six points. So I'm with you there and I'm oling
on that, but I ain't going I'm not going to
under sail what Jared right to the table.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
And Jared was bringing it to the table yesterday too.
There's no under selling, but Detroit was rattled down the stretch.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I don't think they could understand why the game was
as close as it was, the way.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
They were playing, and the Bears bailed them out with
another disaster. When it comes to situational football, which situational
football is that? Or is that not on the coach?
Like I mean, the situation old football is on the
coach just ridiculous. But I know at least it's a
good conversation. It is The Herd here on Fox Sports Radio,
(16:12):
LeVar Arrington and Jonas Knox in for Colin. So we
are going to have a conversation with somebody next here
on the show, and we're going to find out whether
or not we could see a major change for one
coach in the NFL before the end of the day.
That'll be yours right here on FSR.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
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Speaker 4 (16:40):
It's The Herd, Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox
in for Colin in company here on the show. All right,
So coming up, we are going to have a very
special edition of the Herdline news. It's a herdline news
you've never heard before, So we will get into that
for you right now. You're on FSR. But right now
(17:02):
we turn it over to Albert Breer, Amazon NFL on
Prime Insider, Senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist at the
MMQB at Albert Breer on ex Abe. We know it's
the game this weekend, but we do have some breaking
news that I think you just tweeted out according to
sources in Chicago.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Yeah, so the Bears are firing that he reflues, Thomas
Brown's going to be the interim coach. We're still getting
this and as.
Speaker 7 (17:30):
As we go along here, but yeah, I mean, I
guess not not a real shocker. It's actually interesting because
the Bears coaches were set to you know, get you know,
go through their meetings and everything else and be off
at New and Central today. So so now it's done
and Thomas Brown takes over for the time beating and.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
You're obviously a lot a lot of.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
The compu We just talked about this in the first segment.
I mean, if you're going to cut the court, cut
the court because you don't want to risk the actual
deal of being one of the teams or a team
that falls on the list of biggest waste of player
of a draft pick in the history of the game.
(18:12):
And I think we all see the potential in Caleb
Williams ab I'm curious how much of this game had
to do with with him, you know, losing his job.
Was this do you do you feel like this was
something in the making or was this purely based upon
(18:34):
the bad clock management at the end of the game
and the fact that they could have possibly won against
the top team in their division and in the conference
on Thanksgiving?
Speaker 5 (18:44):
Yeah, I'd say this was maybe like the final straw,
you know what I think, Levars. You know, like these
things a lot of times can come down to where
the locker room is on the coach right, and you know,
as things get as a heat turns up, sometimes there's
finger pointing and everything else. And you know, I don't
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think any team, you know, even if things go really
bad once to go through this sort of upheaval in
the season where they fire an offensive coordinator find our
head coach a couple of weeks later. However, I do
think some of the things that happened at the end
of the game last year, last yesterday, play into this
and maybe the biggest thing to me at least is
where you know you have where is where you have
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a situation where clearly, you know rookie quarterback was sort
of struggling with what to do in the in the
final minute, and I you know, you watch Caleb, you
can see the wheels turning in his head. And I
don't think that in a vacuum is the end of
the world. What I do think is a problem is
when Mattieberflus stepped to the podium afterwards and and and
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basically more or less absolved himself and his staff of blame.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
You know. I just think that's one.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Of those situations where, you know, even if it was
on Kleb after a rookie quarterback out there, it's on
you for not managing that situation accordingly, you know. And
so whether it's having the guy, you're having the guy
more ready for the situation, or or knowing that he's
going to struggle in that situation so you call the
(20:23):
time out quicker, regardless of what it is, like, you
can't point the finger at the player, you know, And
I think that that's how you lose a team. And
I'm not saying that iber Flutes lost the team completely.
They obviously played hard yesterday and they have played hard
this year in general. You know, But I think in
a situation like that, that's where you start to look
(20:45):
at it and say, Okay, that a misspanaged situation. Again,
it's not the thing that's happened. We already pulled the
trigger on changing offensive coordinators, and you know, and now
here we go, like, you know, how is the coach
going to react to it in the aftermath? And the
aftermath it was you know, I think was trying to
be honest. You know, I don't think he was. I
(21:06):
don't think there was only intent, But you know, I
think that you know, if you're a player in that
locker room, you look at and you say, well, you're
blaming a rookie. You know, it's not really the right
thing to do in that situation.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Albert Breer joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, Amazon,
NFL on Prime Insider, senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist
at the MMQB with the breaking news that the Chicago
Bears have just fired Matt Eberfluss as head coach following
yesterday's disastrous ending, and they've never done this in the
history of the organization. They've been around over a century
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and they've never fired a coach in season. And one
of the conversations that was being had before the game was, well,
if they get blown out and it looks really ugly,
could there be a coaching change on Friday? I almost think, look,
if they would have lost that game by you know,
sixteen seventeen points, whatever it was, Matt Eberflus is still
(21:59):
the coach. It's just the optics of how that all
played out just not great. And when you consider end
of game situations like Washington, you know, the Packers, and
then the next week they get a field goal blocked
again from the same exact spot, it just felt like
it was heading in this direction. My question to UAB
would be, what normally it feels like this is where
(22:21):
they would go in the direction of an offensive minded
coach for the permanent job. And you know, Ben Johnson's
Name's been out there, so there's some good candidates.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
Though, agree with you, Here's where I would here, here's
you know where my my warning about that sort of
idea comes in. I just feel like sometimes as well,
that's just too and I hate to put it that way,
but it's like like I think sometimesation is when you
go one way and it doesn't work to correct by
(22:54):
going the other direction altogether, you know what I mean. Like,
so we didn't like the defensive coach, We're gonna go
with the offensive coach. We didn't like the first coach,
so we're going to go with the experience coach. We
didn't like the players coach, so we're going to go
with the hard ass, you know what I mean. Like,
And I feel like teams do that enough times and
you start to lose any sort of identity the franchise
(23:15):
might have or have an opportunity to build, you know.
So like I just you know, and again, like you know,
I think you can see that in the Bears, right, Like,
so the Bears went from you know, the offensive guru
and Mark Tressman, then to then go on with the
experienced you know, super Bowl coach and Shohn Fox, then
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back to the young offensive guru and Matt and Maggy,
then to the rising experienced defensive coach and Eberflus to
swing right back, you know what I'm saying. Like I
think sometimes you do that enough times and it's like,
well you're not really doing anything, you know what I mean? Like, so, yeah,
(23:57):
I agree with you that they need people around Caleb
Williams to nurse here him and bring him along. I
also think you can kind of cut off your knees
to fight your face sometimes if you're just looking at
one bucket, Like I think the Pars owe it to
themselves here to not like limit themselves that way, and
maybe you wind up on the offensive coach anyway. But
(24:18):
last time I checked, well, Tom Brady had a pretty
good career playing for Bill Belichick. Russell Wilson had a
great decade playing for Pete Carroll. Lamar Jackson's had had
a great career to this point playing for John Harbaugh,
you know what I mean? Like, so, I mean you
show me the evidence. I mean, yeah, you have Andy
Reid and Patrick Holmes. So it's happened, you know, for sure.
(24:39):
But I don't think there's overwhelming evidence that you have
to do it that way to get it right with
the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Abe.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
You mentioned a lot of coaches there that have had
success with their quarterbacks. Another team, another two teams that
were playing.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
I'll give you one more I'll give you one more.
One more that's a guy because I don't I don't
want to be I don't want to be disrespectful here.
But another obvious one Jim Mora and Antony Done and
Peyton Manning.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Right, yeah, okay, that's a good one.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Anyway, anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Well, I was going to ask when you look at
what took place with the Cowboys and the Giants yesterday.
Obviously in a way a feel good story for the
Cowboys to be able to find their way to a
two game winning streak after losing their franchise quarterback to injury.
(25:31):
But then you look at the other side of it
and it's like, wow, what a really really bad team
in the New York Giants. And looking at it, not
many people would say day Ball is a bad coach.
In fact, many people lot the type of coach that
day Ball is. But is it has it come to
(25:53):
a point of where, maybe, you know, looking at it
from what their record is a two win record and
they just lose again on on Thanksgiving, that his time
is is more so than now with with you know McCarthy,
out of those two teams in nfcas if you would
have said to me, which got which team is going
(26:14):
to go for a new head coach come to the
off season. I would have said one it would be
the Cowboys. Wow, now it looks like it's going to
be the New York Giants.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Yeah. I mean there's a lot there, LeVar, Like I
would say, like it's uglier right now in New York.
I mean, I think here here's the one. I mean,
I think you have to give McCarthy some credit for
them fighting the last couple of weeks the way they
have right Like they've looked dead at points, and I mean,
so to draw that sort of performance, you know, coming
out of a really ugly loss on Monday night to Houston,
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what was that now ten days ago, eleven days ago?
I mean, like I think, like just getting the effort
they've gotten, you know in Washington against a good commander's team,
and then you know on Thanksgiving and winning going away
against the Giants, Like I as, without Dak Prescott, that's
a cdee lamb that beat up. So Micah Parson is
probably still not at one hundred percent right Like though,
(27:13):
I think you got to give Mike McCarthy some credit,
Like it might not save his job because his contracts
up and everything else. But you know, certainly I think
he deserves I think certainly I think you you know,
you look at him, and you know he deserves some
credit for that, you know, Like I think the Giants
right now, I think the intention is to keep Brian
Davell and Joe Shannon charge. And I think it's part
(27:35):
partly an acknowledgment that after that first year, they still
had a long way to go and the rosters still
need to be rebuilt in a very serious way. Now,
you know, I think you look at like the foundation there,
and there is a foundation in place with the left
tackle Andrew Thomas, receiver of the league, neighbors, the guys
in the defensive front Dexter Lawrence might be the defensive
player of the year, Brian Burns. So there's a foundation
(27:59):
in place. I think the problem is you can counteract
that with two things now, right. Number one, it's Daniel
Jones and Saquon Barkley and the decisions they made on
those contracts and what those look like two years out right,
and then where the team is headed in the trajectory,
right like, so you know, the Marrors planned to be
(28:21):
patient and take their time and you know, give Joe
Judge another year in twenty one, and then that press
conference happened at the end and everything came unraveled. And
so like, I think the Marors want to keep day
ball in Shane, but couldn't like really unravel and go
the way that things went with Judge two or three
years ago. I think that certainly could be the case.
(28:43):
So you know, again like if they can, if they can,
oh look competent and put an effort, and when a
couple of games down the stretch, I think they'll be okay.
If things unravel, you know, we could be talking about
something else.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Albert brew joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, Lebar Arrington,
Jonas Knox in for Colin Coward here on the Herd.
So obviously, you know the news of Maddie Brifflu's being
fired a short time ago, and the conversation about you know,
other coaches that could be out after this season or
possibly in season if you were just to bet right now,
(29:17):
like if you've got feeling obviously the big names that
are out there, Mike Rabel, Bill Belichick, you know, Ben
Johnson potentially if you've got to pick the landing spot
for each of those. Is Chicago in the mix for
either of those Belichick or Mike Rabel and potentially Ben Johnson.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
So, Ben Johnson, I think if you'd asked them a
year ago, it might have been the shot he wanted.
I don't know if that's gonna be the case the
same way. They're in division with them obviously, you know.
But but I but I know he had interest last year,
So I think that's possible. And like I do think
they've got the infrastructure where he could just coach. I'm
(29:58):
a little less certain with Belichick and Brave life. The
job in a vacuum would appeal to Belichick, and I
was able to the question is like you've got Kevin
Warren as a team president, you got Ryan Poles as
the general manager, Like how did this whole thing look
under verybel under Belichick, Because unless they're going to be
able to shape the organization a certain way, they may
(30:20):
be hesitant to go there.
Speaker 6 (30:22):
You know.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
So I think, you know, like you you know, you
look at a Ben Johnson, who's you know, ostensibly the
first time, first time head coach going to go there
chess to coach, and I think it really could be
a very attractive job with Caleb there and the roster
they have in placed and everything else. You know, for
guys like verbel and Belichick who may have like a
more i guess, a more more global look at like
(30:44):
how they want to set up the entire organization. Unless
those guys are being to make some some bigger changes
than's just who's going to be on their coaching staff,
I think they they could wind up balking at the
idea of ABE.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
I was watching this Dolphins Packers game yesterday and I
just started having all kinds of different conversations with myself,
not with the people who are around me, just in
my own mind and in my own head, and I'm
like thinking about Guna Kunsten all these other individuals, you know, Lafleur,
and I'm like, okay, you know, let it be told
(31:21):
the way you know, Aaron Rodgers kind of aired out
everything going into the season before his last season when
he set things straight as it applied to him in
the front office, and then fast forward to his final
season there and how everything kind of unfolded. If you're
looking at what this Green Bay Packers team looks like
(31:46):
at nine to three, this is as good a team
as it has looked as the Green Bay Packers, as
it did when they made it to the Divisional championship round.
They literally are playing at that high of a level,
and you're doing it with a guy that you drafted
(32:08):
to replace the guy who seemingly has been the one
common denominator, and they're being confusion and fallout wherever it
is that he's at. What type of what what's the
thought process on them getting the running back getting rid
of Aaron Jones, which I thought was, man, that's a
(32:31):
that's a tough one to kind of recover from. But
nonetheless you do it, and then you you get the
type of you know, the type of production you're getting
from Josh Jacobs. It just seems like they're operating out
of super super high level, maybe even higher than what
it was when Aaron Rodgers is there. How is that
(32:51):
being perceived by the by the media, by the the
you know, the inner workings of the league.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
L I think like the coolest thing about it is, like,
so last year, I'd say a big part of their
story was Jordan Love got hot at the end of
the year and they were able to go and you know,
get these shootouts and winning that sort of setting us.
Great to see your young quarterback do that. To me,
it's really cool about what's happened since is between the
(33:20):
hire of Jeff Hafley to run the defense, some of
the moves they made on that side of the ball.
Signing Xavier McKinney was a huge one, you know, and
then and then and then bringing in Josh Jacobs. They're
now a team that can win a million different ways,
you know what I mean. Like, so this is like
an all weather football team that, yeah, I think has
a chance, like even on a day where maybe it's
(33:43):
snowing sideways and Jordan Love throws for one hundred and
seventy five yards because you can't do more than that
in the past game, the Packers can win that game now,
you know what I mean. And I think it's it's
really a credit to a lot of people there because
they've had good players there for a long time, but
being able to see the finishing pieces, like you know,
(34:04):
even like having the humility to say, maybe we struck
out on our first round Stafe, they didn't strike out,
but just we haven't gotten quite enough out of Darnell Savage,
so like let's let him go and go get Xavier McKinney.
We really love Aaron Jones and everything he's meant to
our franchise, but god, there's an upgrade out there. Let's
go get Josh Jacobs. You know, I just I think
those sorts of decisions are difficult decisions to make that
(34:26):
they deserve a lot of credit for because those are
the types of things that I think could put them
over the top. Even firing Joe Berry Wott Muffloor is
very close with and bringing in jeffs Hafley. It's I
think across the board. You know, they've done a really
nice job of setting it up a certain way so
their quarterback can be superman, but he doesn't have to
be superman every week. I'm to win. And I think
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you thought last night, and I love the Jacob signing
because I think it sort of fits with Barkley too,
and that running backs. I think I think some of
the smartphone offices looked at it last year coming out
of the season, where like, you know, that position has
been devalued to the point where it's becoming a value again.
Going and getting one of those guys is actually great
(35:11):
value now. And if you think about it, like and
this is the way the Eagles looked at it. Getting
Saquon Barkley costs them what it costs the Falcons to
go get Darnell Moone. Think about that right now. Darnell
Mooney is a good player, don't get me wrong, and
it's really valuable to Atlanta this year and everything else.
But he's your second or third receiver, and Saquon Barkley
touches the ball three hundred times in a year, you
(35:33):
know what I mean. Like, so it's just I think
it's like it's like the ability to make those adjustments
on the fly, to flip out Jones for Jacobs, to
flip out Savage, for McKinney, to flip out Barry for
for Halfley, and then ultimately, you know, like being willing
to kind of come off of some some things that
(35:53):
some some preconceived notions that people in the league might
have about certain positions. I think is what put the
Packers where they are.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Yeah, it's like the top three leading rushers in the NFL, Barkley,
Henry Jacobs, all guys whose former team was like, now
we're good here, okay, right, And and.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
It's like if you think about it, and it's like
what are they paying for those guys? I mean, I mean,
like like Henry's making eight million bucks, Like that's their
backup quarterbacks can make that, you know what I mean.
Like it's just it's crazy when you think about it,
because like everybody's gotten so locked into well edge rusher,
you know, left tackle, receiver, corner, quarterback, like and then
(36:32):
just don't worry about anything else. Well, you know, somewhere
along the line, the pay at those positions dropped to
the point where it's like, okay, all of a sudden,
like this is a really good David McKinney is another
one in safety, you know what, The safety market fell out,
so the Packers are able to get good good be
there because the rest of the league doesn't value them properly.
You know. I think it's a really interesting, interesting thing
(36:53):
that that happened this offseason. I think it's certainly benefited
both the Packers and Eagles.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Albert Breer, with the breaking news of Maddy Reflus being fired,
we didn't have any time to get to the game
this weekend, but we wanted to send you off with
this just to try and get you get you fired up.
Down at the Worshoe I hope y'all lose.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
How about how about this so my seat, I believe
are like almost right on top of the fox.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Set on the field. All right, nice, hey, you better,
you better harass the hell out of Brady Quinn tomorrow. Please.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
Yeah, Like, I see it's too late, but I would
have had you guys send me like Brady Quinn sucks
T shirts. Darn. I could have put all my buddies
in them.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
Oh, I've got I've got a ton of those multiple colors.
We could have we get a decked you all out perfectly, Albert,
thanks when you guys lose, a B. But but good
luck to you. Thanks Amy, we appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
All right, buddy, you're welcome. I wish you luck.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
But but on on the inside, a B. I'm hoping
you guys lose.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
I never Michigan the large practice I fear.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
I feel you there, I feel you there. But you know,
we get that big ten opportunity against Oregon. You guys
didn't want to do it.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
Yeah no, no, no, I understand in that one.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah yeah, all right, there you go. All right, thanks
really hope you had a great Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
There is the great Alber Breer with us here on
Fox Sports Radio. It is LeVar Arrington, Jonas knox In
for Colin and Crew. Here and again the breaking news
out of the NFL. The Bears, for the first time
in franchise history, have fired their head coach in season,
Maddie Reflues done after that lost yesterday to the Lions
and the way it played out. We've got more on
(38:29):
that in a very special edition of The Herdline News,
which is coming up next year on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
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Speaker 3 (39:19):
So.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
The breaking news out of the NFL, The Bears a
short time ago announced the firing of Matt eber Fluis
as their head coach. Thomas Brown will serve as the
interim head coach there. So that is the latest from Chicago.
Will album more on that throughout the course of the show.
They met the rule? What's the rule? Dang well? Because
they got rid of flussy right now, it's time for this.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
No, no, this is the herd Line news.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
It's a special one. Screw Ryan Music. Yeah, and Greg Tooey.
I hope they're listening. We're probably not. Yeah, we've got
lead to laugh Lee, what are we looking at? Well?
First off, happy Thanksgiving to you guys.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Did you guys get all your happy Thanksgivings out to
everyone in your rolodex?
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Yeah? Let it run it up?
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Can I just send this message out to everyone? And
a lot of people may sympathize with me here and
agree with me. You may disagree with me. I don't
know if this makes me a bad person. If I
do not text message you, which this has become the norm,
it's not a call.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
Hey, how you doing?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Talk? If I do not text message you on a holiday.
It does not mean I do not care about you.
It's just that I don't really care about the holiday.
So don't feel any type of way. I be feeling anxiety.
Like my phone goes off all day.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Ding ding ding ding ding ding.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
I'm seeing all these people saying Happy Thanksgiving, Happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Life.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Hey, look you guys have that stuff scheduled in your
your phone and all that stuff it goes out, you'll
you got to do, send it hits and all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
That doesn't mean they care about you people. It's just
they feel obligated to do it.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
I don't want to feel obligated to wish you a
merry Christmas, a happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
I don't want to do all of that. I just
don't builds anxiety. It's disingenuous. If I hit you up
and I say I'm checking in you good, then just
know that's important to me. By the way. That's all.
Rob Parker has his own Thanksgiving graphic that he sent
over to me. Look at this, I'm not making it up.
He's got like a meme that's his Happy Thanksgiving from
(41:35):
Rob Parker. Yeah, with a turkey. It looks like you
know he's been smoking crack and then dank what say
it on the bottom. Just know I care about y'all.
I do. I just don't care about the holidays. So
just know that I ain't hit yuh one more.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
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