September 11, 2024 • 42 mins
Colin believes the Browns might be trying to void DeShaun Watson's contract
The voice of college football, Joel Klatt joins The Herd to talk about the season so far
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Speaker 1 (01:15):
Greg Maddox had an occasional wild pitch. I can't just
throw strike. She gotta live a little. So I saw
this story Joe Clatt in five minutes. The Browns now
are trying to escape the Deshaun Watson contract. The new
lawsuit filed against Deshaun Watson. Possibly. The story says keyword
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possibly sparks a chain of events that could culminate in
the league suspending Deshaun Watson, voiding about half of the
future guaranteed contract. So listen, Cleveland knew of his creepiness
when they signed him. So no sympathy from me here.
I mean, if he threw for four touchdowns and they
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beat Dallas by three touchdowns, everybody would be defending him.
But in sports there's a rule you can't have off
field problems and on field problems. Fans will support you,
owner will support you. I mean, let's be honest. This
was the twenty sixth suit against him. It's not like
Cleveland was comfortable with the first twenty five, but the
twenty six that sent him over the top.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
He's not any good anymore. And that's the story here.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
And like, listen, if Gordon Ramsay wasn't a great chef,
he'd just be kind of a jerk. If Russell Wilson
was winning, nobody talked about his cringiness seven years ago
in Seattle, and now it's the only topic you gotta win.
And so when you're willing to go into business with
somebody with twenty five civil suits, it's on you. I mean,
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that's the baggage you paid for. Cleveland Panic. They are
what I've said for years is a low self esteem
sports franchise where they're always in the Steelers shadow and
the Raven shadow and they just panic. And so I
think it's a very poorly owned sports franchise with great employees.
I think Kevin Stefanski is a tremendous coach. If he
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was on the market, he'd be hired in five minutes.
I think Andrew Berry is a sharp GM. I mean,
their drafts are good. Jack Conklin the tackle tremendous, Amari
Cooper a total pro, Miles Garrett best pass rusher arguably
in the league. There are a lot of good employees
in that building. And like GM, coach, like a lot
of them. One of them's not the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
He can't plan. Everybody knows it.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
So a lot of all of Cleveland's issues are Cleveland's issues.
And I'm not saying you have to be perfect. I
mean San Francisco with on Trey Lance.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
It happens.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
You know, Kansas City and Brett Vietz, one of the
smartest gms in the league, has missed on receivers.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
It happens.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Like a lot of the best team, I mean, the
Rams draft very well. They have missed on second round
receivers and interior linemen, second round guys.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
It happens.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
But there is a difference between making a mistake, which
we all do, and creating a problem. Cleveland's an expert
at the latter. So they're trying to get out of
that Deshaun Watson deal. And now it's not like they
get completely out of it, but I looked at the
numbers this morning and they cut it in about half.
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And as we know, if you draft a quarterback and
you hit on him in the first or second round,
he's kind of a freebie for four years. So that's
one of the things about the NFL and Cleveland's about
They're in as dire a place as you could be,
salary cap wise, but you know, Denver was a mess.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
They got bo Nix. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I think it's going to work. And with that, the
voice of college football on our network all over the
Texas Michigan game last week, Joel Klatt joins us as
Heoways does on Wednesdays Joel Clatt Podcast, What's Up Dude, Madison, Wisconsin.
We were saying this, let's go back, okay, and look
at Texas. Now, I know it's the eye test, but
I used the eye test in college sports a lot.
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In the NBA, everybody's tall, long and talented. In the NFL,
the margins are tiny. I look at Texas and I
see Michigan last year where I'm not sure who's a
one and.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Who's a two.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
They're rotating defensive lineman in Yeah, they look like to me,
I test the most talented team in the sport.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I think that Georgia and Ohio State could could lay
claim to that as well. So in my last top ten,
I put them one A, one B one C. Yeah,
those three teams Georgia, Ohio State and Texas and Texas
certainly looked that way. I was so impressed with a
lot of things that went on Saturday, to name a few.
Their offensive line is as experienced and physical as any
in the sport. Three first rounders maybe possibly definitely two,
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I would say. And the thing about it is that
they're experienced, cause not just young talent up there. They
played as young players, so this in a lot of
cases is their third year starting. They have got I
would say they fixed their their rotation on the defensive
line because they remember they lost to and Andre Sweat
and Byron Murphy, great two excellent defensive tackles, so that
was gonna be a point of weakness for them.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Well, guess what.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
They went out and got three other defensive tackles in
the portal, which makes their rotation in the interior fine
because none of them have to play over twenty five
or thirty snaps. They got Andrew mccouba, the safety from Clemson,
to come in and shore up the secondary. Now, all
of a sudden, the secondary is a strength. They go
out in the portal and they get a couple of
wide receivers Golden and Bond to supplement with their young
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players and all of a sudden, you're sitting there and
here like this probably is a national championship caliber team.
And then and then their quarterback is excellent, he's experienced,
quin yours knows what he's looking at. Their play caller
is outstanding. Their third down plan. I know this is
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like technical stuff, but you'll love this though. Their third
down plan for Wink Martindale was was so good. Steve
Sarkesian is so smart. If it was third and seven
plus he max protected with seven guys and he let
his guys.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Roam and get loose.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
If he had one on one, viewers would hit him
and ewers understood what the plan was as well, so
he knew that all he had to do if they
played coverage against that max protection is get loose with
his feet and either create with his feet or create
a hole down the field with his feet and exploit
that with his arm. He did that on several different occasions.
Then you would get into the middle third downs, third
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and four, five and six, and what did he do screen?
It was screenwright screen left a little tunnel screen here
ball was on the outside quickly to get away from
those defensive linemen. And then he also saw what Michigan
was trying to do with alignment because they were trying
to do some funky things with alignment. He saw Mason Graham,
one of the best defensive tackles in college football, lined
up as a defensive ends.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
So guess what he did. He ran away.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
It's not that hard sometimes, right, people try to make
it so difficult. He just ran the football to the
opposite direction and guess what got the first down. So
sarks brilliance coupled with this team that's talented and experienced
that it's going to be very difficult. Remember, Georgia has
to go to Texas. I'm not sure Georgia can beat
Texas in Austin.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I don't know if they can. It's funny.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
It's one of those things in baseball, if you have
a great bullpen, you don't need dominant starting.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Pitching because you've got a great bullpen.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
If you have a great offensive line in college or
pro football, like Detroit, they're just.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Gonna lean on you. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
That game against Michigan had last year, that's right. They
just lean on you. And they don't throw a pass
against Penn State in the second half on the road,
and it's like white flag.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Penn State's like, we don't have the bodies and Texas
has that.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
So Texas has the michigan O line with more playmaker.
That's right this, I mean, I would be shocked if
this team is not right there at the end playing
for a national championship.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Okay, I'm gonna say something.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Oh and all get a lot of pushback, but that's
who I am. I believe with all my heart. Okay,
I can't wait for this Ohio State, Georgia, Texas.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Okay, I'm not there the top three. Oh I know
where you're going when you get this.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
USC along with Alabama, he's in that four spot. Wait
a time out. Alabama was in a one point game,
was South Florida in the fourth quarter. Hey, all of
a sudden, you're you want.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
To crown them? Crown them? What are you?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
What are you talking about? I don't get caught up
in score. Don't I get caught up in winning in style?
There's I'm telling you. First of all, million, you're you're
missing you're missing it. You're missing You don't think USC
is good? No, no, no, you're you're good on on USC.
You're you're you're missing it. You're enamored with a shiny
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object called Alabama. Alabama might be fine, and I'm not
saying that they're bad, So stop it, tied fans.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I'm not. This is not about Alabama. They're vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
The three most impressive teams to date that are not
named Georgia, Texas or Ohio State, who are USC? You
had one of them? Miami, Miami cam Woard something and Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, Tennessee's good. There you go.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Give you Tennessee. I'll give you Tennessee and Miami. You're
gonna give me all three? Okay, there's all three? Right?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (10:09):
No.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Two weeks ago, I said after the first week, the
Labor Day weekend, I said, the two teams, keep your
eye on r Tennessee and USC. So I just want
to talk about USC.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
We don't. We don't coaching matters. Oh yeah, they went
out and.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Got I would argue he is going to be the
hot coach on the market at the end of the season.
Deanton Lynn. Their defensive persone is okay. I think they
have an NFL safety. I think their edge rusher Anthony
Lucas can play at the next level. Not a ton
of NFL talent what I worry about is they'll get
exposed again in Ohio State, Texas, a Georgia that they're
doing it now on Guyle toughness coaching and there's limitations.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Is that fair on.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
The defensive side, I would say that's fair, But it's
probably a little better.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Than that, you know. I mean they don't have bad players.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
No, No, that's my any stretching the imagination and the way
from a structural standpoint and a soundness standpoint, like this
team playing that style of defense. I would favor them
next week against Michigan in the Big House, you know,
So then then it becomes real. Then it becomes like, Okay,
we can play for the Big Ten title. Now when
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you think about trying to play those three way up top, yeah,
I mean do they have enough?
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Maybe?
Speaker 3 (11:16):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I've always wondered ever since he became a head coach,
what would it be like if Lincoln Riley actually had
a good defense.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
What would it be like?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Well, that's what I said, and we're starting to see that.
And I've never been worried about their offense. I think
their defense is is real. Danton Lynn is fantastic, and
I do find it interesting, and you brought up bone Nicks.
He got confused facing Mike McDonald's defense on Sunday as
the Broncos faced the Seattle Seahawks, Mike McDonald, Baltimore Raven
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style defense, Jesse mentor Baltimore Raven style defense, the Ravens.
Obviously Baltimore Raven style defense. D'Anton lynn he was in
that room as well. That's where he cut his So
it's all that Rado, all of that Raven stuff, the
stuff that Michigan won the national championship with, and.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Baltimore has played with Jell.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
What happens defensively in this league? You get the remember
the old four to six defense like the Bears. College
teams ripped it off. Washington was one of it. What
happens is you get these two and three year Pete
Carroll for years, Jimmy Johnson, you get these two and
three year cycles that teams are ahead of other teams on.
That's dramatically, and I think USC at a college level
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is ahead of some people.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
They're ahead of the curve.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Obviously, Michigan was kind of the first, the one there
and they dominated on defense. They were the best defense
in the country. A year ago. I go back to
like early two thousands. You remember the Tampa Bay defense
with Monte Kiffin yep, yep.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
And then and then.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Guess what I saw the next year at quarterback in college.
Everybody ran Monty Kiffin's defense. That's all we saw was
for to three cover what we called it twenty three
mic or Tampa two, whatever it was. And you're starting
to see that now and that the defense that USC
is running. Here's the philosophy, and this is coming from
the people that built the defense. Number one, how do
you play offense on defense?
Speaker 3 (13:08):
That's number one.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I'm not gonna explain it if you want. Number two
is we want to play with a run wall up front.
That means the interior defensive line. We want to play
with hard edges, which means those edges on the defensive line.
And then we want hybrid versatile athletes everywhere else the
ability to cover, run, and more specifically tackle. And I
think the tackling in the improvement tackling from USC from
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last year to this year has been staggering. And this
idea of playing offense on defense, this is what it means.
Offenses are going to try to run a few concepts.
You know, I'll call it like Z drive or all
go or shallow cross or whatever it is, and you
can run those out of one hundred different formations. So
for the defense, it looks like one hundred different plays,
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but for the offense, they're running one. So it's simple
for the offense, difficult for the defense. And that's exactly
what Baltimore wanted to flip and say, well, no, no,
we want to do that exact same thing and give
you a bunch of different defensive structures. But really we're
only running a couple of different concepts, so it's easy
for us, difficult for you. And that's what that defense
really is. Okay, this is going to be difficult for you,
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so I want you to get ready and put a
seat belt on.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Okay, so for you.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
For years I called Iowa the fake idea of college.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yeah that was rude. Well, I just it was accurate.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I disagree they did well for what they were and
really want to play some big team and lose by thirty.
But I will say this, at least it took them
four or five beers before they threw up on themselves.
Colorado now can't get to a margarita. And they're tipsy
and falling into walls. I hear a lot of chatter.
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I hear a lot of talk. They're bad, and they're
once again flush out half the team bring in a
bunch of new transfers. It's starting to feel like a
timeshare sales pitch. There's no there there. What are they?
What is Dion? And I was on board because I
like big personalities. Yeah, I don't know. Well, the first
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the first premise is and and you would agree with
this regardless of what's happened. He's made them relevant, no question,
and they were on board. Irrelevant, totally irrelevant. Okay, okay,
no one cares about this, but but the impact on
the university has been staggeringly positive from a admission standpoint,
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economic impact, not only for the university but for the city.
It is a net giant win. On the field, it's
starting to teeter. I'm with you, it's starting to teeter.
This game that they have. They play Saturday night in
Fort Collins, of all places, against Colorado State. They've lost
that game before. That game's a weird guy. He didn't
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lose that game, no personally, no, no, no, But I
just wanted that to be clear for everybody three and oh,
Bradley Van Pelt, how do you like me?
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Now?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
So that was rude, But you know whatever, this.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Rivalry is one I did.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
They hate Colorado, hate them, hate them because they all
wanted to go to Colorado. Trust me, I was one
of them. I wanted Sonny Lubick to recruit me so
badly and he didn't. So when I had to walk
on a Colorado when when I played CSU is like
I wanted a piece of that. That's how those players
feel about Colorado's in trouble. Well, this is the biggest
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game that they've played in his tenure because they cannot
lose this game. They have to win this game against
Colorado State. If they lose this game, it's a signal
of regression. You can't do that. You can't regress in
year two. That's that's not what this is all about.
And you can't regress when you've got two players that
might be picked in the top ten, one for sure
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going to be selecting the top five in Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
That can't happen. So this game.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
There have never been more pressure on Deon Sanders as
a coach in his career than there is this week
against colorad of State on Saturday night. Oh, I can't
wait to watch it now, you got me all fired up? Hey,
hold on screen. Yeah, see the staff we went and
found We went and found an idea of Deon Sanders
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and if again he was trying to get into the
clubs and it says a fake ID. So now you're
saying he's the fake ID kind of personal All right.
You can't reuse a joke. You got to come up
with something else. That's for Iowa. All I My career
is reusing jokes. You just described my career. Iowa graduated.
You can only be nineteen. So long they got a
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job in the accounting firm in Iowa City. Okay, So
Camp Randall for those for the uninitiated, there's an argument
on a Saturday night in the fall, Camp Randal's the
best place to be in the country.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Or at noon in the fall Colin it is fun.
Oh it's noon game. Yeah that's right. All right, Well
we moved it up for the show. Okay, it's in
the title. Do they have a shot? Do they have
a shot to beat Alabama?
Speaker 6 (18:08):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Yeah, I think Wisconsin's better this year than they were
a year ago. I think Luke Fickle has built something
that is a bit underappreciated, and they're leaning more in
on the run game.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
You know, whether they do that, it remains to be seen.
Tyler Van Dyke, their quarterback, is going to have to
play like the young Tyler Van Dyke from Miami that
everyone thought was a Heisman Trophy a a couple of
years ago.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Everybody loved him.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah, and and people thought that he was going to
be highly touted in terms of the draft and it's
it's it hasn't played out that way, and he's looking
to regain that form. Their defense is pretty solid, is
pretty solid, their secondary is very good.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Luke knows what he's doing. They're tough, they're tough minded.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
And here's the thing, as we learned last week in
college football, a man, anybody can be beat on any
given day. And this would certainly not shock me. If
Wisconsin's playing a tight one. That's a great environment. It's
a it's a raid environment. That's a fan base that
understands football. They know what they're rooting for. And I
can't wait to be there. Oh you're gonna be big. Okay,
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here's Klatt's top ten. I don't know if I like Miami.
I like cam Ward. So you got them at five.
I do have them at five. I think Miami is
the best team of the ACC. Cam Ward, it's one
of those guys I remember when he because I watched
them at Washington stayed a half dozen times. He's always good.
He's just a playmaker. Yeah, I think he's an NFL player.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I think so too.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I think he's an NFL I think in this draft
people are going to sell some schadur stock. They're gonna
like cam Ward because the personality of Camboy's feisty, bottom line,
tough guys. It's hard when you when you listen to
cam Ward, it's hard not to like it.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
And by the way that I've got Tennessee and USC
in my top ten, they've been more impressive than a
team like and I'm not saying Missouri's bad, but like
then Missouri, who hasn't done anything. Oregon, I mean, Oregon
has just not looked. And by the way, they've got
to go to Oregon State this week. That's that is
a rivalry game. The home team has won the last four.
Like watch watch out for Oregon State this week. One A,
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one B, one C. Yeah, well, terribly committed. I I
hope with your wife. I am say listen, I'm later,
I'm going out for a meeting. We're gonna have a
cup of coffee. Hope you were committed more than that.
Holy moch.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I mean, it's two weeks in.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
They've all they've all earned it to a certain extent.
I just wanted to here's the deal, is that I
wanted to show some sort of delineation between those three
and the rest of everybody else.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Well, that's true, Yeah, those three are the best.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
That was the point of the one A, one B,
one C is that I wanted it to be different
than like, okay o, miss siss the transfer portal. This
is what I really like about the transfer portal is
that in the NFL, once you get the quarterback right
and the coach right, you know, the Chiefs, the Ravens
are gonna be good for years. That's right, that's right,
And so there's some symmetry. I don't want new teams
every year, like I like, oh, the Bills will be good,
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the Dolphins will be good. In college sometimes now again,
George is good every year, but in Ohio State. But
in college. Sometimes you get a team like Michigan with
all these pros, then they leave and you're like, wow,
you four more years to rebuilt. Like Washington, the transfer
portal solves. It's a solution. Well, you just think it's
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a double edged sword, though, I mean, I don't listen.
The pushback would be yes, and it can go the
opposite direction. We've seen these like for Colorado right now
it's teetering largely because they've got basically, you know, ninety
five new players in the last two years. May well,
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so you know, you can try to go rebuild yourself.
Last year for USC it didn't work. The previous year
it did work. So I just think that you're kind
of playing with fire. Remember the old coach k Line.
Remember he was talking about Christian Laytner I think it was,
and he was like, hey, Laytner is like your furnace.
If it's controlled, he can heat your whole house. But
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if it gets out of control, burn it down. That's
the transfer portal. Yeah, well, you know there's something to
be said. You gotta be careful if a guy's leaving
a program. There may be George is not letting their
best players go. If you're trying to build your whole
program out of the transfer portal a good way. That's
a that is not a great recipe if you are
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supplementing like Texas just did, and defensive line and secondary
and wide receiver, or Michigan did last year when they
brought in a couple more defensive pieces and they got
to the tight end Barner who came in there.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
They were supplementing.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
And I think the best team supplement Ohio State right
now supplementing. They've got a core group and then all
of a sudden, here comes Caleb Downs and Quinchawn Judkins
and and you become better when you supplement, But building
the entire foundation out of the transfer portal is risky.
You know, Frankly, you were a high school recruited fox.
I came from the portal. I mean with a lot
of baggage.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
I'm you you did, Listen.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I'm just glad that you assimilated to the culture that
I had built here. Yeah that's right. Yeah, because I
was loose. Yeah that's right. And I'm I'm like an
old veteran. I'm like your captain. You're I'm more of
the furnace you. Hey, Clatt, it's great saying you, I
appreciate the participation trophies for the top three teams. Everybody
gets a trophy. I always appreciate that about you.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Yeah, you bet. It's week two.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
I know we're gonna have a good time together. I
did you see the ratings? You see the Big ten ratings?
I did time spent viewing up one hundred and forty
eight percent. Oh PAC twelve disappeared.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Nobody will watch.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
This will be the most viewed college football season ever
because there'll be more fan bases that feel like they're
in it.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
It's gonna be great.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Joe Klatt, the voice of college football Shure welcome shooting
a documentary today. They said they wanted to come by
your show, and I was like, why See, that's not
a way to end it.
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Speaker 3 (24:16):
So many things going on.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Mark Sanchez joined us last hour without further ado, Jaymack
with a.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
News no, no.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
So we all started calling him glass.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
Joe Burrow remember earlier this year, because he's always hurt. Well,
a weird video emerged, I think yesterday of some stuff
that Joe Burrow was going through on the sideline. If
you're watching, look at him struggle to pick up a
gatorade bottle. He's shaking out his wrists. Just doesn't seem right,
something feels off. A lot of questions about his performance
twenty one or twenty nine for a.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Bucks sixty four.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
The Burrow dismissed all the questions about whether the wrist
was a problem here co so.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
You more and more comfortable as the game goes and
is as the season goes, and first game back from injury.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
So I was comfortable but now helping more helpful as
to go. Do you feel any limitations with the wrist
at all?
Speaker 1 (25:14):
And were some throws that were giving her hundred than
mid acre and not go oh.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
No, I feel good.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
They're doing a good job keeping everything in front, you.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Know, get take what the defense gives me. You know,
rarely do I like spiked frosted hair. I think that's
a great look on him.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Honestly, well sonic the headhop.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I think I like it. It's honestly, ninety nine percent
of men would do that and would be looking like
they're trying way too hard. He actually looks better with
that hair.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Could I pull that off?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I'm not gonna go with that. I saw your picture
when you were like twenty two in New York. I
think he looks better. He looks just there's something about Burrow.
He's just a handsome kid. That's a good look for him.
He's got a little Maverick feel to him, little non
core it, little on.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
The edge, go do what I want to do. I
kind of like that.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
That's a good look. You know, it's not a good
look losing to the Patriots.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
It was not.
Speaker 7 (26:07):
And by the way, Adam Schefter has said that T
Higgins it would be surprising if he played this week
against the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
They're staring over in two in the face. One of
my concerns about this franchise is not Joe Burrow. My
concerns about this franchise is ownership. They've been historically cheap.
Start writing checks.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Start.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I mean, because you know what the Rams would do,
they would convert or the Niners would do, they would
convert base salary into signing bonuses. Fans think these are
all even the really the teams that have money, Like,
do you ever notice that Philadelphia San Francisco's rosters are stacked.
Philadelphia's paying everybody. They're receivers, they're quarterback, they're left tackle,
They're playing everybody. Why because they got the best ownership.
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Cincinnati's still got bottom five ownership. They it seems to
me they're arguing about just paid Jamar Chase. Next, he's
the first, second or third best receiver, and he's the
he's the most important piece outside of left tackle for
your star quarterback.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Pay him.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Rams paid Cooper Cup, Niners paid Brandon Aiyuk and Debo.
Philadelphia pays A J. Johnson and A D. Brown and
more and tight ends, and they're struggling to pay their
star receiver. Minnesota paid Justin Jefferson, Packers Raiders paying Davonte Adams.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Pay your guy.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
I don't disagree with that. Look at you, you're getting
aggressive here on a Wednesday. Next up, how about this one.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
The Ravens.
Speaker 7 (27:32):
They add Derrick Henry in the offseason, and obviously the
offense was excited.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
You get Derek Henry and Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Hello.
Speaker 7 (27:38):
But then in Week one Derrick Henry just had thirteen
carries against the Chiefs and John Harball addressed the lack
of touches yesterday.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
The farmulays all the guys to get me, it's not
just the one guy. I think we didn't bring Derek
in here to be you know, the guy that gets
the ball thirty times a game.
Speaker 8 (27:56):
He's done that before.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
That's really not the plan.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Plan is is Derek, Lamar, Mark Isaiah Zay Bait Delly.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
You know, that's kind of the plan in this offense
going forward.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
So I think that evaluation will be best made.
Speaker 7 (28:14):
You know, over the course of the season.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
They'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
They were an inch from beating Kansas City. This is
a great organization top to ball'll be fine. They'll be fine.
Speaker 7 (28:23):
But Lamar had more carries than it. I think j
said thirteen, like I got a Dereck Henry thirteen carries.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Well, no, I think we talked about this.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
I think Kansas City is different for Lamar Jackson and
he was just playing. You know how in the Super
Bowls they always say quarterbacks the first series sail everything.
They got so much energy, like they sail everything. Lamar
plays the Chiefs, he sails everything like he is so
focused and passionate because this is the one team he
can't beat that. I think he carried the ball seven
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or eight times in a game that he wouldn't normally carry.
So to me, I just give the Dereck Henry story
a mulligan. This week, he's getting eighteen carries. It'll be fine.
They will knock on the las. Oh god, they'll just
pound the rock. They don't want Lamar taking a hit here.
Speaker 6 (29:08):
Again.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
When you play the Chiefs, you put your body on
the line for that game.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
You don't with the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
You go, you run the ball, you shorten the game,
you win, twenty four to thirteen, You get out of town.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
You're good.
Speaker 7 (29:21):
So two other free agent guys, Joe Mixon had thirty
carries in the opener.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
No, he's a beast.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
Sakwon Barkley had twenty four carries. Joe Carrick Henry's looking around.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
There are not many guys in the NFL not named
Joe Nixon that can handle thirty carries and be good
in the thirtieth carries.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Joe's good.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
He had a great game.
Speaker 7 (29:38):
Final story is the Tennessee Titans. Can we go back
to all Will Levis's bad plays?
Speaker 5 (29:44):
Look at that?
Speaker 6 (29:45):
Just not where?
Speaker 7 (29:46):
And then this one's the brutal one where he's like
falling down trying to chuck it out of Allens and
it turns into a brutal pick six that flipped the game.
We briefly alluded to this audio, but Brian Callahan, the
new coach, was very ticked off off about Levis and
the melt down on the fourth quarter. Here's what he
said about the offense.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
We were playing so good on defense that it's almost
as if, I mean, if we just punted it on
first and tent every time, we might have won the
game the way the way that you know, we gave
it away. So there are hard lessons to learn. And
I think what's important is that everything about Will up
to that point, you know, you don't know if you've
if you've made the progress or not until you play
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in a game. And and those are just things that
I was surprised that he did tough pill to swallow
for him. Tough lesson to learn, but he's got to
learn it.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I don't think it works. We'll just say it right now.
Too mechanical, not fluid enough. I don't think his game
works in the.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Pros, don't. I don't see it. It doesn't work.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
So is this a good spot for the Jets defense?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Coming off walls? A great spot?
Speaker 1 (30:47):
First of all, they go from facing the most talented
offense in the league to a talent deprived offense. They
go from facing a veteran coach to a kid coach.
Their defense was humiliated. Wasn't humiliated the Jets defense was.
They got pushed all over the field and dominated by
a seventh round receiver and undrafted running back in a
seventh round quarterback. This is the perfect spot for the Jets.
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They're gonna be ticked off. It's not even at home.
There's no comfort. They have to go back on the road.
They're gonna be in a bad mood. They're gonna play
great football.
Speaker 7 (31:20):
So the Jets defensive end Jermaine Johnson, remember him FSU
so he was very good last year. He went up
against Trent Williams in the opener and he did.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Nothing nobody does anything against Trent Williams.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
This week against Tennessee, he faces the young guy out
of Alabama, J C. Latham, who was I believe, the
interior lineman in college and now he's left.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Tackle rookie for Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Jets defense twenty three to ten Jets.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
Jets Domine Levis, Yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Could, I could.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
J McK with the news, Well, that's the news, and
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very smart guy.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
I think he.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Confuses correlation and causation when he was asked this week
why he was so willing to pay Dak Prescott top
of the league.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
This that any time that we've ever made players the
highs plaid player, key players such as Troy Aikman the
most highest plaid player in the game, we won super Bowls.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
That's correlation, not causation. The reason you won super Bowls
when you paid Troy Aikman the most is because he
was Troy Aikman arguably the best quarterback in the league,
with the best running back Emmett Smith and the best
offensive line, and the Cowboys have the weakest running back
room and They're starting a rookie at left tackle and
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they don't have Jimmy Johnson, so that's not the same.
I'm not saying Dak couldn't win a Super Bowl, but
you would need a fairly stacked roster. I feel the
same way about Brock Purty, although I think Dak slightly
better than Brock, but not as much as people think.
But yeah, that's that's not the way it works. You
paid Troy and had Jimmy and Emmett, ne O line
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and Hall of famers, and this team doesn't.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
So I saw this. The Steelers corrects me up.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
The Steelers say they're excited about Justin Fields starting in
week two. You know, could he become the next Geno Smith.
For the record, I have friends in Seattle. I'm from
the Pacific Northwest. Gino's winning nine games, no playoff wins.
Everybody knows they're waiting for the next quarterback. He's fine
(34:55):
for now, placeholder at best. That's probably what Justin feels is.
So here's the thing. If you watch the Chiefs and Ravens, Eagles, Packers, Lions,
Rams Bills, you can eliminate pretty quickly. In this league,
about seven to eight teams from winning a Super Bowl.
(35:18):
The last several years, the remaining coaches at the end
of the year, the final four remaining coaches have all
been offense last year, year before, year before. So it's
an offensive league. It's pivoted rules change. We're not gonna
argue that it's a quarterback coach league. The quarterback's worth
more than the coach, sixty forty sixty five to thirty five.
Even in the case of Andy Reid, it's mormal Homes
(35:39):
than Red. They're both great, But I would say today
New England, Pittsburgh, Tennessee, Denver, Las Vegas, New York, Giant, Chicago, Bears, Carolina,
they're not Super Bowl teams. Can't even vuy for it.
You can have a good week, good half, can't buy
for it. Now I think there's double that number. Like
Minnesota's not gonna win a super Bowl, but they'll have moments.
(35:59):
They'll go total in my opinion, with San Francisco this week,
and look the part if they play him at home
and the Niners are on a short week and the
Niners are off a huge win, you know they'll be moments.
But when you start watching Mahomes, Stafford Lamar Josh Goff.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Purty Dack.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
I mean, there is such a gap now between the
best quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
And the bottom of the league.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
There feels like there's a gap between Baker Mayfield, Derek
Carr and the rookie quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
And what's the reason for that. It shouldn't be that way.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
This is something Tom Brady's talked about ad nauseum on
our show and other shows, is that there's a lot
of bad quarterback play. Troy Aigman mentioned it this week.
There's a lot of bad quarterback play, and I think
a lot of it is the need and rush to
get guys to play. Jayden Daniel's got to play, Kayleb
Williams gotta play, Justin Field's gotta play. I think it's tough.
I think it's really, really tough. That's why I've said
(37:00):
I supported the Atlanta Falcons bringing Kirk Cousins in. My
take was, if you sit Michael Pennix behind a pro
for a year, that's great. You can watch Kirk Cousins
a total pro. All the critics of Atlanta, I'm like, guys,
that's the way I want to do it. That's what
Mahomes did with Alex Smith. So, I mean, if you
go to the last nine of the last ten Super
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Bowl winning quarterbacks, it's been Mahomes, Brady Stafford, and Peyton Manning.
So and I think there is a clear gap between
Baker Derek Gino from the bottom and the bottom is
mostly bad quarterbacks and rookie quarterbacks. I thought bo Nicks
was pretty good considering he was asked to throw forty
(37:45):
two times on the road. Great corners, good pass rush,
and the Denver line's okay. I thought he was okay
through a really bad pick too. Total I thought he
was okay. But there is a if you're getting excited
about justin fields like you're not ness the defensive culture
that come on, that's that's not gonna win you. That's
not what the league is now. So it's not anti anything,
(38:08):
It's just the league has gotten so good at the
top of the food chain, and there's so many guys
getting a second chance, Darnald Baker, Derek Cargino in the
middle of the league. There's a gap between those guys
and the kids. And that's why I said, don't be
shocked if Chicago this weekend just gets smoked by Houston
(38:30):
and it doesn't mean you sell the farm. What it
means and this is.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
What I really worry about.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
I had Danny parkins on an hour ago is if
you go back to Mahomes. So he got to sit
the first year and then the second year. He was
really really good, but he could mechanically kind of get
into the weeds and Cam Mahomes Stafford Josh Allen. When
you're truly gifted, when you're really absolutely uniquely gifted, it
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could be singing voice or playing quarterback, you're willing to
take more chance. You're willing to playoff script because you've
been rewarded in high school and college off script. I
mean Lamar Jackson takes off and runs high school in
college it's a pot of gold. So he's gonna do
it in pros until he gets hitting the ribs too
(39:15):
many times. So when you get a Quarterbackkah Lamar Josh,
when you get a quarterback Cam Newton, Cam Newton never
had that brilliant offensive coach to rely on to get
him back in the fairway. He had Ron RIVERA defensive culture.
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That's what Caleb has. Bears are a defensive culture. I
don't worry about Caleb. I worry about the support system.
Maholmes had Andy Stafford can get in the weeds. He's
so much better as a ram with McVay right when
the truly get Josh Allen was at his best with
Brian Dabele. I've worried brought Ken Dorseyan didn't look as
(39:57):
good now. Josh is so in insanely talented. He just
ds superman. He overcomes stuff. I don't think Caleb's as
good as Josh Allen. I think Josh is different, He's bigger, stronger.
I think he's different. But what I worry about with
Caleb Williams is he is so gifted and has been
rewarded his entire life. Going off script, that you need
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a strong offensive mind that understands the sensibility at quarterback
to pull him back in the fairway. Mahomes had it,
Stafford now has it. Cam Newton never had it. Cam
Newton cam aged quickly. Ben big Ben didn't really have it.
He aged more quickly. That's what I worry about with
Caleb Williams. I think it's a reasonable a reasonable concern.
(40:44):
So as I look over the NFL schedule, Week two,
one of the games that jumps out to me is
Houston off will win at home a ton of weapons.
It's going to be a shootout. They're going to score
points playing at home. And so what happens to Chicago
this week is it's not Tennessee. They're going to have
to be hyper aggressive offensively to keep up against Tennessee.
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They can be conservative, they can babysit Caleb, and he
still struggled. And you were at home. Now you're moving
into big boy football. Houston's dropping minimum twenty four to
twenty seven points, so you're gonna score twenty six to
twenty eight points to win. Meaning Chicago will have to
be more aggressive, and I think Caleb will mostly be
(41:27):
left to his own devices. He will not have that guru,
that respected voice in the NFL for years that can
keep him lined up. The more talented people are in
any field, the more they're rewarded doing it their way.
And it takes McVeigh, read, Sean Payton, day ball, really
(41:50):
strong offensive guys to bring it back in. Tom Brady
didn't have that. Brady was a grinder. Brady was a
sixth rounder. Britty didn't move off script. So Tom is
it's not somebody you had to pull back in. Tom
stayed there. Peyton Manning largely doesn't get rewarded off script.
Peyton was on script. You didn't have to worry about
it with Tony Dungeon. But the truly gifted athletes. John Harbaugh,
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strong respected voice can pull Lamar back in. I'm not
saying Lamar wouldn't succeed everywhere, but now Herbert could run
a little, but he's pretty disciplined in what he does.
That's why he and Harbor are good fit. You don't
have to really coach justin much.
Speaker 7 (42:28):
You're of the belief this Texans defense it canna be
juiced up prime time to go after.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
My take is Chicago's going to have to score twenty
seven to win. They couldn't score much at all against Tennessee.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
The first game, Jitters, bad game plan.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
You and I see the world different.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
Shane Waldron no faith, lack of faith
Speaker 1 (42:49):
No less faith than Andy Reid and our three
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Things happen went sideways really fast, and I topped off
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You're now smoking cigars and I don't smoke.
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Them regularly in your own houseta.
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I have a deck. It's not like I'm in the
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Speaker 3 (01:05):
I gave it all. No this is come on.
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But you know, here's the thing I'm a disciplined guy.
You gotta let go once in a while.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
That that's letting go ice cream and a cigar.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Greg Maddox had an occasional wild pitch. I can't just
throw strike. She gotta live a little. So I saw
this story Joe Clatt in five minutes. The Browns now
are trying to escape the Deshaun Watson contract. The new
lawsuit filed against Deshaun Watson. Possibly. The story says keyword
(01:39):
possibly sparks a chain of events that could culminate in
the league suspending Deshaun Watson, voiding about half of the
future guaranteed contract. So listen, Cleveland knew of his creepiness
when they signed him. So no sympathy from me here.
I mean, if he threw for four touchdowns and they
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beat Dallas by three touchdowns, everybody would be defending him.
But in sports there's a rule you can't have off
field problems and on field problems. Fans will support you,
owner will support you. I mean, let's be honest. This
was the twenty sixth suit against him. It's not like
Cleveland was comfortable with the first twenty five, but the
twenty six that sent him over the top.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
He's not any good anymore. And that's the story here.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
And like, listen, if Gordon Ramsay wasn't a great chef,
he'd just be kind of a jerk. If Russell Wilson
was winning, nobody talked about his cringiness seven years ago
in Seattle, and now it's the only topic you gotta win.
And so when you're willing to go into business with
somebody with twenty five civil suits, it's on you. I mean,
(02:46):
that's the baggage you paid for. Cleveland Panic. They are
what I've said for years is a low self esteem
sports franchise where they're always in the Steelers shadow and
the Raven shadow and they just panic. And so I
think it's a very poorly owned sports franchise with great employees.
I think Kevin Stefanski is a tremendous coach. If he
(03:08):
was on the market, he'd be hired in five minutes.
I think Andrew Berry is a sharp GM. I mean,
their drafts are good. Jack Conklin the tackle tremendous, Amari
Cooper a total pro, Miles Garrett best pass rusher arguably
in the league. There are a lot of good employees
in that building. And like GM, coach, like a lot
of them. One of them's not the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
He can't plan. Everybody knows it.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
So a lot of all of Cleveland's issues are Cleveland's issues.
And I'm not saying you have to be perfect. I
mean San Francisco with on Trey Lance.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
It happens.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
You know, Kansas City and Brett Vietz, one of the
smartest gms in the league, has missed on receivers.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
It happens.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Like a lot of the best team, I mean, the
Rams draft very well. They have missed on second round
receivers and interior linemen, second round guys.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
It happens.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
But there is a difference between making a mistake, which
we all do, and creating a problem. Cleveland's an expert
at the latter. So they're trying to get out of
that Deshaun Watson deal. And now it's not like they
get completely out of it, but I looked at the
numbers this morning and they cut it in about half.
(04:17):
And as we know, if you draft a quarterback and
you hit on him in the first or second round,
he's kind of a freebie for four years. So that's
one of the things about the NFL and Cleveland's about
They're in as dire a place as you could be,
salary cap wise, but you know, Denver was a mess.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
They got bo Nix. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I think it's going to work. And with that, the
voice of college football on our network all over the
Texas Michigan game last week, Joel Klatt joins us as
Heoways does on Wednesdays Joel Clatt Podcast, What's Up Dude, Madison, Wisconsin.
We were saying this, let's go back, okay, and look
at Texas. Now, I know it's the eye test, but
I used the eye test in college sports a lot.
(04:58):
In the NBA, everybody's tall, long and talented. In the NFL,
the margins are tiny. I look at Texas and I
see Michigan last year where I'm not sure who's a
one and.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Who's a two.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
They're rotating defensive lineman in Yeah, they look like to me,
I test the most talented team in the sport.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I think that Georgia and Ohio State could could lay
claim to that as well. So in my last top ten,
I put them one A, one B one C. Yeah,
those three teams Georgia, Ohio State and Texas and Texas
certainly looked that way. I was so impressed with a
lot of things that went on Saturday, to name a few.
Their offensive line is as experienced and physical as any
in the sport. Three first rounders maybe possibly definitely two,
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I would say. And the thing about it is that
they're experienced, cause not just young talent up there. They
played as young players, so this in a lot of
cases is their third year starting. They have got I
would say they fixed their their rotation on the defensive
line because they remember they lost to and Andre Sweat
and Byron Murphy, great two excellent defensive tackles, so that
was gonna be a point of weakness for them.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Well, guess what.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
They went out and got three other defensive tackles in
the portal, which makes their rotation in the interior fine
because none of them have to play over twenty five
or thirty snaps. They got Andrew mccouba, the safety from Clemson,
to come in and shore up the secondary. Now, all
of a sudden, the secondary is a strength. They go
out in the portal and they get a couple of
wide receivers Golden and Bond to supplement with their young
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players and all of a sudden, you're sitting there and
here like this probably is a national championship caliber team.
And then and then their quarterback is excellent, he's experienced,
quin yours knows what he's looking at. Their play caller
is outstanding. Their third down plan. I know this is
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like technical stuff, but you'll love this though. Their third
down plan for Wink Martindale was was so good. Steve
Sarkesian is so smart. If it was third and seven
plus he max protected with seven guys and he let
his guys.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Roam and get loose.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
If he had one on one, viewers would hit him
and ewers understood what the plan was as well, so
he knew that all he had to do if they
played coverage against that max protection is get loose with
his feet and either create with his feet or create
a hole down the field with his feet and exploit
that with his arm. He did that on several different occasions.
Then you would get into the middle third downs, third
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and four, five and six, and what did he do screen?
It was screenwright screen left a little tunnel screen here
ball was on the outside quickly to get away from
those defensive linemen. And then he also saw what Michigan
was trying to do with alignment because they were trying
to do some funky things with alignment. He saw Mason Graham,
one of the best defensive tackles in college football, lined
up as a defensive ends.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
So guess what he did. He ran away.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
It's not that hard sometimes, right, people try to make
it so difficult. He just ran the football to the
opposite direction and guess what got the first down. So
sarks brilliance coupled with this team that's talented and experienced
that it's going to be very difficult. Remember, Georgia has
to go to Texas. I'm not sure Georgia can beat
Texas in Austin.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
I don't know if they can. It's funny.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
It's one of those things in baseball, if you have
a great bullpen, you don't need dominant starting.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Pitching because you've got a great bullpen.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
If you have a great offensive line in college or
pro football, like Detroit, they're just.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Gonna lean on you. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
That game against Michigan had last year, that's right. They
just lean on you. And they don't throw a pass
against Penn State in the second half on the road,
and it's like white flag.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Penn State's like, we don't have the bodies and Texas
has that.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
So Texas has the michigan O line with more playmaker.
That's right this, I mean, I would be shocked if
this team is not right there at the end playing
for a national championship.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Okay, I'm gonna say something.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Oh and all get a lot of pushback, but that's
who I am. I believe with all my heart. Okay,
I can't wait for this Ohio State, Georgia, Texas.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Okay, I'm not there the top three. Oh I know
where you're going when you get this.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
USC along with Alabama, he's in that four spot. Wait
a time out. Alabama was in a one point game,
was South Florida in the fourth quarter. Hey, all of
a sudden, you're you want.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
To crown them? Crown them? What are you?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
What are you talking about? I don't get caught up
in score. Don't I get caught up in winning in style?
There's I'm telling you. First of all, million, you're you're
missing you're missing it. You're missing You don't think USC
is good? No, no, no, you're you're good on on USC.
You're you're you're missing it. You're enamored with a shiny
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object called Alabama. Alabama might be fine, and I'm not
saying that they're bad, So stop it, tied fans.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I'm not. This is not about Alabama. They're vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
The three most impressive teams to date that are not
named Georgia, Texas or Ohio State, who are USC? You
had one of them? Miami, Miami cam Woard something and Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, Tennessee's good. There you go.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Give you Tennessee. I'll give you Tennessee and Miami. You're
gonna give me all three? Okay, there's all three? Right?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (10:09):
No.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Two weeks ago, I said after the first week, the
Labor Day weekend, I said, the two teams, keep your
eye on r Tennessee and USC. So I just want
to talk about USC.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
We don't. We don't coaching matters. Oh yeah, they went
out and.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Got I would argue he is going to be the
hot coach on the market at the end of the season.
Deanton Lynn. Their defensive persone is okay. I think they
have an NFL safety. I think their edge rusher Anthony
Lucas can play at the next level. Not a ton
of NFL talent what I worry about is they'll get
exposed again in Ohio State, Texas, a Georgia that they're
doing it now on Guyle toughness coaching and there's limitations.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Is that fair on.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
The defensive side, I would say that's fair, But it's
probably a little better.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Than that, you know. I mean they don't have bad players.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
No, No, that's my any stretching the imagination and the way
from a structural standpoint and a soundness standpoint, like this
team playing that style of defense. I would favor them
next week against Michigan in the Big House, you know,
So then then it becomes real. Then it becomes like, Okay,
we can play for the Big Ten title. Now when
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you think about trying to play those three way up top, yeah,
I mean do they have enough?
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Maybe?
Speaker 3 (11:16):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I've always wondered ever since he became a head coach,
what would it be like if Lincoln Riley actually had
a good defense.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
What would it be like?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Well, that's what I said, and we're starting to see that.
And I've never been worried about their offense. I think
their defense is is real. Danton Lynn is fantastic, and
I do find it interesting, and you brought up bone Nicks.
He got confused facing Mike McDonald's defense on Sunday as
the Broncos faced the Seattle Seahawks, Mike McDonald, Baltimore Raven
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style defense, Jesse mentor Baltimore Raven style defense, the Ravens.
Obviously Baltimore Raven style defense. D'Anton lynn he was in
that room as well. That's where he cut his So
it's all that Rado, all of that Raven stuff, the
stuff that Michigan won the national championship with, and.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Baltimore has played with Jell.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
What happens defensively in this league? You get the remember
the old four to six defense like the Bears. College
teams ripped it off. Washington was one of it. What
happens is you get these two and three year Pete
Carroll for years, Jimmy Johnson, you get these two and
three year cycles that teams are ahead of other teams on.
That's dramatically, and I think USC at a college level
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is ahead of some people.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
They're ahead of the curve.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Obviously, Michigan was kind of the first, the one there
and they dominated on defense. They were the best defense
in the country. A year ago. I go back to
like early two thousands. You remember the Tampa Bay defense
with Monte Kiffin yep, yep.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
And then and then.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Guess what I saw the next year at quarterback in college.
Everybody ran Monty Kiffin's defense. That's all we saw was
for to three cover what we called it twenty three
mic or Tampa two, whatever it was. And you're starting
to see that now and that the defense that USC
is running. Here's the philosophy, and this is coming from
the people that built the defense. Number one, how do
you play offense on defense?
Speaker 3 (13:08):
That's number one.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I'm not gonna explain it if you want. Number two
is we want to play with a run wall up front.
That means the interior defensive line. We want to play
with hard edges, which means those edges on the defensive line.
And then we want hybrid versatile athletes everywhere else the
ability to cover, run, and more specifically tackle. And I
think the tackling in the improvement tackling from USC from
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last year to this year has been staggering. And this
idea of playing offense on defense, this is what it means.
Offenses are going to try to run a few concepts.
You know, I'll call it like Z drive or all
go or shallow cross or whatever it is, and you
can run those out of one hundred different formations. So
for the defense, it looks like one hundred different plays,
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but for the offense, they're running one. So it's simple
for the offense, difficult for the defense. And that's exactly
what Baltimore wanted to flip and say, well, no, no,
we want to do that exact same thing and give
you a bunch of different defensive structures. But really we're
only running a couple of different concepts, so it's easy
for us, difficult for you. And that's what that defense
really is. Okay, this is going to be difficult for you,
(14:13):
so I want you to get ready and put a
seat belt on.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Okay, so for you.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
For years I called Iowa the fake idea of college.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yeah that was rude. Well, I just it was accurate.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I disagree they did well for what they were and
really want to play some big team and lose by thirty.
But I will say this, at least it took them
four or five beers before they threw up on themselves.
Colorado now can't get to a margarita. And they're tipsy
and falling into walls. I hear a lot of chatter.
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I hear a lot of talk. They're bad, and they're
once again flush out half the team bring in a
bunch of new transfers. It's starting to feel like a
timeshare sales pitch. There's no there there. What are they?
What is Dion? And I was on board because I
like big personalities. Yeah, I don't know. Well, the first
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the first premise is and and you would agree with
this regardless of what's happened. He's made them relevant, no question,
and they were on board. Irrelevant, totally irrelevant. Okay, okay,
no one cares about this, but but the impact on
the university has been staggeringly positive from a admission standpoint,
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economic impact, not only for the university but for the city.
It is a net giant win. On the field, it's
starting to teeter. I'm with you, it's starting to teeter.
This game that they have. They play Saturday night in
Fort Collins, of all places, against Colorado State. They've lost
that game before. That game's a weird guy. He didn't
(15:52):
lose that game, no personally, no, no, no, But I
just wanted that to be clear for everybody three and oh,
Bradley Van Pelt, how do you like me?
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Now?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
So that was rude, But you know whatever, this.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Rivalry is one I did.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
They hate Colorado, hate them, hate them because they all
wanted to go to Colorado. Trust me, I was one
of them. I wanted Sonny Lubick to recruit me so
badly and he didn't. So when I had to walk
on a Colorado when when I played CSU is like
I wanted a piece of that. That's how those players
feel about Colorado's in trouble. Well, this is the biggest
(16:35):
game that they've played in his tenure because they cannot
lose this game. They have to win this game against
Colorado State. If they lose this game, it's a signal
of regression. You can't do that. You can't regress in
year two. That's that's not what this is all about.
And you can't regress when you've got two players that
might be picked in the top ten, one for sure
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going to be selecting the top five in Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
That can't happen. So this game.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
There have never been more pressure on Deon Sanders as
a coach in his career than there is this week
against colorad of State on Saturday night. Oh, I can't
wait to watch it now, you got me all fired up? Hey,
hold on screen. Yeah, see the staff we went and
found We went and found an idea of Deon Sanders
(17:21):
and if again he was trying to get into the
clubs and it says a fake ID. So now you're
saying he's the fake ID kind of personal All right.
You can't reuse a joke. You got to come up
with something else. That's for Iowa. All I My career
is reusing jokes. You just described my career. Iowa graduated.
You can only be nineteen. So long they got a
(17:42):
job in the accounting firm in Iowa City. Okay, So
Camp Randall for those for the uninitiated, there's an argument
on a Saturday night in the fall, Camp Randal's the
best place to be in the country.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Or at noon in the fall Colin it is fun.
Oh it's noon game. Yeah that's right. All right, Well
we moved it up for the show. Okay, it's in
the title. Do they have a shot? Do they have
a shot to beat Alabama?
Speaker 6 (18:08):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Yeah, I think Wisconsin's better this year than they were
a year ago. I think Luke Fickle has built something
that is a bit underappreciated, and they're leaning more in
on the run game.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
You know, whether they do that, it remains to be seen.
Tyler Van Dyke, their quarterback, is going to have to
play like the young Tyler Van Dyke from Miami that
everyone thought was a Heisman Trophy a a couple of
years ago.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Everybody loved him.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah, and and people thought that he was going to
be highly touted in terms of the draft and it's
it's it hasn't played out that way, and he's looking
to regain that form. Their defense is pretty solid, is
pretty solid, their secondary is very good.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Luke knows what he's doing. They're tough, they're tough minded.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
And here's the thing, as we learned last week in
college football, a man, anybody can be beat on any
given day. And this would certainly not shock me. If
Wisconsin's playing a tight one. That's a great environment. It's
a it's a raid environment. That's a fan base that
understands football. They know what they're rooting for. And I
can't wait to be there. Oh you're gonna be big. Okay,
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here's Klatt's top ten. I don't know if I like Miami.
I like cam Ward. So you got them at five.
I do have them at five. I think Miami is
the best team of the ACC. Cam Ward, it's one
of those guys I remember when he because I watched
them at Washington stayed a half dozen times. He's always good.
He's just a playmaker. Yeah, I think he's an NFL player.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I think so too.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I think he's an NFL I think in this draft
people are going to sell some schadur stock. They're gonna
like cam Ward because the personality of Camboy's feisty, bottom line,
tough guys. It's hard when you when you listen to
cam Ward, it's hard not to like it.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
And by the way that I've got Tennessee and USC
in my top ten, they've been more impressive than a
team like and I'm not saying Missouri's bad, but like
then Missouri, who hasn't done anything. Oregon, I mean, Oregon
has just not looked. And by the way, they've got
to go to Oregon State this week. That's that is
a rivalry game. The home team has won the last four.
Like watch watch out for Oregon State this week. One A,
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one B, one C. Yeah, well, terribly committed. I I
hope with your wife. I am say listen, I'm later,
I'm going out for a meeting. We're gonna have a
cup of coffee. Hope you were committed more than that.
Holy moch.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I mean, it's two weeks in.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
They've all they've all earned it to a certain extent.
I just wanted to here's the deal, is that I
wanted to show some sort of delineation between those three
and the rest of everybody else.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Well, that's true, Yeah, those three are the best.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
That was the point of the one A, one B,
one C is that I wanted it to be different
than like, okay o, miss siss the transfer portal. This
is what I really like about the transfer portal is
that in the NFL, once you get the quarterback right
and the coach right, you know, the Chiefs, the Ravens
are gonna be good for years. That's right, that's right,
And so there's some symmetry. I don't want new teams
every year, like I like, oh, the Bills will be good,
(20:58):
the Dolphins will be good. In college sometimes now again,
George is good every year, but in Ohio State. But
in college. Sometimes you get a team like Michigan with
all these pros, then they leave and you're like, wow,
you four more years to rebuilt. Like Washington, the transfer
portal solves. It's a solution. Well, you just think it's
(21:18):
a double edged sword, though, I mean, I don't listen.
The pushback would be yes, and it can go the
opposite direction. We've seen these like for Colorado right now
it's teetering largely because they've got basically, you know, ninety
five new players in the last two years. May well,
(21:38):
so you know, you can try to go rebuild yourself.
Last year for USC it didn't work. The previous year
it did work. So I just think that you're kind
of playing with fire. Remember the old coach k Line.
Remember he was talking about Christian Laytner I think it was,
and he was like, hey, Laytner is like your furnace.
If it's controlled, he can heat your whole house. But
(21:58):
if it gets out of control, burn it down. That's
the transfer portal. Yeah, well, you know there's something to
be said. You gotta be careful if a guy's leaving
a program. There may be George is not letting their
best players go. If you're trying to build your whole
program out of the transfer portal a good way. That's
a that is not a great recipe if you are
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supplementing like Texas just did, and defensive line and secondary
and wide receiver, or Michigan did last year when they
brought in a couple more defensive pieces and they got
to the tight end Barner who came in there.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
They were supplementing.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
And I think the best team supplement Ohio State right
now supplementing. They've got a core group and then all
of a sudden, here comes Caleb Downs and Quinchawn Judkins
and and you become better when you supplement, But building
the entire foundation out of the transfer portal is risky.
You know, Frankly, you were a high school recruited fox.
I came from the portal. I mean with a lot
of baggage.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
I'm you you did, Listen.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I'm just glad that you assimilated to the culture that
I had built here. Yeah that's right. Yeah, because I
was loose. Yeah that's right. And I'm I'm like an
old veteran. I'm like your captain. You're I'm more of
the furnace you. Hey, Clatt, it's great saying you, I
appreciate the participation trophies for the top three teams. Everybody
gets a trophy. I always appreciate that about you.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Yeah, you bet. It's week two.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
I know we're gonna have a good time together. I
did you see the ratings? You see the Big ten ratings?
I did time spent viewing up one hundred and forty
eight percent. Oh PAC twelve disappeared.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Nobody will watch.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
This will be the most viewed college football season ever
because there'll be more fan bases that feel like they're
in it.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
It's gonna be great.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Joe Klatt, the voice of college football Shure welcome shooting
a documentary today. They said they wanted to come by
your show, and I was like, why See, that's not
a way to end it.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
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Speaker 3 (24:16):
So many things going on.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Mark Sanchez joined us last hour without further ado, Jaymack
with a.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
News no, no.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
So we all started calling him glass.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
Joe Burrow remember earlier this year, because he's always hurt. Well,
a weird video emerged, I think yesterday of some stuff
that Joe Burrow was going through on the sideline. If
you're watching, look at him struggle to pick up a
gatorade bottle. He's shaking out his wrists. Just doesn't seem right,
something feels off. A lot of questions about his performance
twenty one or twenty nine for a.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Bucks sixty four.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
The Burrow dismissed all the questions about whether the wrist
was a problem here co so.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
You more and more comfortable as the game goes and
is as the season goes, and first game back from injury.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
So I was comfortable but now helping more helpful as
to go. Do you feel any limitations with the wrist
at all?
Speaker 1 (25:14):
And were some throws that were giving her hundred than
mid acre and not go oh.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
No, I feel good.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
They're doing a good job keeping everything in front, you.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Know, get take what the defense gives me. You know,
rarely do I like spiked frosted hair. I think that's
a great look on him.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Honestly, well sonic the headhop.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I think I like it. It's honestly, ninety nine percent
of men would do that and would be looking like
they're trying way too hard. He actually looks better with
that hair.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Could I pull that off?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I'm not gonna go with that. I saw your picture
when you were like twenty two in New York. I
think he looks better. He looks just there's something about Burrow.
He's just a handsome kid. That's a good look for him.
He's got a little Maverick feel to him, little non
core it, little on.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
The edge, go do what I want to do. I
kind of like that.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
That's a good look. You know, it's not a good
look losing to the Patriots.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
It was not.
Speaker 7 (26:07):
And by the way, Adam Schefter has said that T
Higgins it would be surprising if he played this week
against the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
They're staring over in two in the face. One of
my concerns about this franchise is not Joe Burrow. My
concerns about this franchise is ownership. They've been historically cheap.
Start writing checks.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Start.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I mean, because you know what the Rams would do,
they would convert or the Niners would do, they would
convert base salary into signing bonuses. Fans think these are
all even the really the teams that have money, Like,
do you ever notice that Philadelphia San Francisco's rosters are stacked.
Philadelphia's paying everybody. They're receivers, they're quarterback, they're left tackle,
They're playing everybody. Why because they got the best ownership.
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Cincinnati's still got bottom five ownership. They it seems to
me they're arguing about just paid Jamar Chase. Next, he's
the first, second or third best receiver, and he's the
he's the most important piece outside of left tackle for
your star quarterback.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Pay him.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Rams paid Cooper Cup, Niners paid Brandon Aiyuk and Debo.
Philadelphia pays A J. Johnson and A D. Brown and
more and tight ends, and they're struggling to pay their
star receiver. Minnesota paid Justin Jefferson, Packers Raiders paying Davonte Adams.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Pay your guy.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
I don't disagree with that. Look at you, you're getting
aggressive here on a Wednesday. Next up, how about this one.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
The Ravens.
Speaker 7 (27:32):
They add Derrick Henry in the offseason, and obviously the
offense was excited.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
You get Derek Henry and Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Hello.
Speaker 7 (27:38):
But then in Week one Derrick Henry just had thirteen
carries against the Chiefs and John Harball addressed the lack
of touches yesterday.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
The farmulays all the guys to get me, it's not
just the one guy. I think we didn't bring Derek
in here to be you know, the guy that gets
the ball thirty times a game.
Speaker 8 (27:56):
He's done that before.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
That's really not the plan.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Plan is is Derek, Lamar, Mark Isaiah Zay Bait Delly.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
You know, that's kind of the plan in this offense
going forward.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
So I think that evaluation will be best made.
Speaker 7 (28:14):
You know, over the course of the season.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
They'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
They were an inch from beating Kansas City. This is
a great organization top to ball'll be fine. They'll be fine.
Speaker 7 (28:23):
But Lamar had more carries than it. I think j
said thirteen, like I got a Dereck Henry thirteen carries.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Well, no, I think we talked about this.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
I think Kansas City is different for Lamar Jackson and
he was just playing. You know how in the Super
Bowls they always say quarterbacks the first series sail everything.
They got so much energy, like they sail everything. Lamar
plays the Chiefs, he sails everything like he is so
focused and passionate because this is the one team he
can't beat that. I think he carried the ball seven
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or eight times in a game that he wouldn't normally carry.
So to me, I just give the Dereck Henry story
a mulligan. This week, he's getting eighteen carries. It'll be fine.
They will knock on the las. Oh god, they'll just
pound the rock. They don't want Lamar taking a hit here.
Speaker 6 (29:08):
Again.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
When you play the Chiefs, you put your body on
the line for that game.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
You don't with the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
You go, you run the ball, you shorten the game,
you win, twenty four to thirteen, You get out of town.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
You're good.
Speaker 7 (29:21):
So two other free agent guys, Joe Mixon had thirty
carries in the opener.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
No, he's a beast.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
Sakwon Barkley had twenty four carries. Joe Carrick Henry's looking around.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
There are not many guys in the NFL not named
Joe Nixon that can handle thirty carries and be good
in the thirtieth carries.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Joe's good.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
He had a great game.
Speaker 7 (29:38):
Final story is the Tennessee Titans. Can we go back
to all Will Levis's bad plays?
Speaker 5 (29:44):
Look at that?
Speaker 6 (29:45):
Just not where?
Speaker 7 (29:46):
And then this one's the brutal one where he's like
falling down trying to chuck it out of Allens and
it turns into a brutal pick six that flipped the game.
We briefly alluded to this audio, but Brian Callahan, the
new coach, was very ticked off off about Levis and
the melt down on the fourth quarter. Here's what he
said about the offense.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
We were playing so good on defense that it's almost
as if, I mean, if we just punted it on
first and tent every time, we might have won the
game the way the way that you know, we gave
it away. So there are hard lessons to learn. And
I think what's important is that everything about Will up
to that point, you know, you don't know if you've
if you've made the progress or not until you play
(30:24):
in a game. And and those are just things that
I was surprised that he did tough pill to swallow
for him. Tough lesson to learn, but he's got to
learn it.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I don't think it works. We'll just say it right now.
Too mechanical, not fluid enough. I don't think his game
works in the.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Pros, don't. I don't see it. It doesn't work.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
So is this a good spot for the Jets defense?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Coming off walls? A great spot?
Speaker 1 (30:47):
First of all, they go from facing the most talented
offense in the league to a talent deprived offense. They
go from facing a veteran coach to a kid coach.
Their defense was humiliated. Wasn't humiliated the Jets defense was.
They got pushed all over the field and dominated by
a seventh round receiver and undrafted running back in a
seventh round quarterback. This is the perfect spot for the Jets.
(31:11):
They're gonna be ticked off. It's not even at home.
There's no comfort. They have to go back on the road.
They're gonna be in a bad mood. They're gonna play
great football.
Speaker 7 (31:20):
So the Jets defensive end Jermaine Johnson, remember him FSU
so he was very good last year. He went up
against Trent Williams in the opener and he did.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Nothing nobody does anything against Trent Williams.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
This week against Tennessee, he faces the young guy out
of Alabama, J C. Latham, who was I believe, the
interior lineman in college and now he's left.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Tackle rookie for Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Jets defense twenty three to ten Jets.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
Jets Domine Levis, Yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Could, I could.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
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very smart guy.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
I think he.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Confuses correlation and causation when he was asked this week
why he was so willing to pay Dak Prescott top
of the league.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
This that any time that we've ever made players the
highs plaid player, key players such as Troy Aikman the
most highest plaid player in the game, we won super Bowls.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
That's correlation, not causation. The reason you won super Bowls
when you paid Troy Aikman the most is because he
was Troy Aikman arguably the best quarterback in the league,
with the best running back Emmett Smith and the best
offensive line, and the Cowboys have the weakest running back
room and They're starting a rookie at left tackle and
(34:02):
they don't have Jimmy Johnson, so that's not the same.
I'm not saying Dak couldn't win a Super Bowl, but
you would need a fairly stacked roster. I feel the
same way about Brock Purty, although I think Dak slightly
better than Brock, but not as much as people think.
But yeah, that's that's not the way it works. You
paid Troy and had Jimmy and Emmett, ne O line
(34:25):
and Hall of famers, and this team doesn't.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
So I saw this. The Steelers corrects me up.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
The Steelers say they're excited about Justin Fields starting in
week two. You know, could he become the next Geno Smith.
For the record, I have friends in Seattle. I'm from
the Pacific Northwest. Gino's winning nine games, no playoff wins.
Everybody knows they're waiting for the next quarterback. He's fine
(34:55):
for now, placeholder at best. That's probably what Justin feels is.
So here's the thing. If you watch the Chiefs and Ravens, Eagles, Packers, Lions,
Rams Bills, you can eliminate pretty quickly. In this league,
about seven to eight teams from winning a Super Bowl.
(35:18):
The last several years, the remaining coaches at the end
of the year, the final four remaining coaches have all
been offense last year, year before, year before. So it's
an offensive league. It's pivoted rules change. We're not gonna
argue that it's a quarterback coach league. The quarterback's worth
more than the coach, sixty forty sixty five to thirty five.
Even in the case of Andy Reid, it's mormal Homes
(35:39):
than Red. They're both great, But I would say today
New England, Pittsburgh, Tennessee, Denver, Las Vegas, New York, Giant, Chicago, Bears, Carolina,
they're not Super Bowl teams. Can't even vuy for it.
You can have a good week, good half, can't buy
for it. Now I think there's double that number. Like
Minnesota's not gonna win a super Bowl, but they'll have moments.
(35:59):
They'll go total in my opinion, with San Francisco this week,
and look the part if they play him at home
and the Niners are on a short week and the
Niners are off a huge win, you know they'll be moments.
But when you start watching Mahomes, Stafford Lamar Josh Goff.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Purty Dack.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
I mean, there is such a gap now between the
best quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
And the bottom of the league.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
There feels like there's a gap between Baker Mayfield, Derek
Carr and the rookie quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
And what's the reason for that. It shouldn't be that way.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
This is something Tom Brady's talked about ad nauseum on
our show and other shows, is that there's a lot
of bad quarterback play. Troy Aigman mentioned it this week.
There's a lot of bad quarterback play, and I think
a lot of it is the need and rush to
get guys to play. Jayden Daniel's got to play, Kayleb
Williams gotta play, Justin Field's gotta play. I think it's tough.
I think it's really, really tough. That's why I've said
(37:00):
I supported the Atlanta Falcons bringing Kirk Cousins in. My
take was, if you sit Michael Pennix behind a pro
for a year, that's great. You can watch Kirk Cousins
a total pro. All the critics of Atlanta, I'm like, guys,
that's the way I want to do it. That's what
Mahomes did with Alex Smith. So, I mean, if you
go to the last nine of the last ten Super
(37:22):
Bowl winning quarterbacks, it's been Mahomes, Brady Stafford, and Peyton Manning.
So and I think there is a clear gap between
Baker Derek Gino from the bottom and the bottom is
mostly bad quarterbacks and rookie quarterbacks. I thought bo Nicks
was pretty good considering he was asked to throw forty
(37:45):
two times on the road. Great corners, good pass rush,
and the Denver line's okay. I thought he was okay
through a really bad pick too. Total I thought he
was okay. But there is a if you're getting excited
about justin fields like you're not ness the defensive culture
that come on, that's that's not gonna win you. That's
not what the league is now. So it's not anti anything,
(38:08):
It's just the league has gotten so good at the
top of the food chain, and there's so many guys
getting a second chance, Darnald Baker, Derek Cargino in the
middle of the league. There's a gap between those guys
and the kids. And that's why I said, don't be
shocked if Chicago this weekend just gets smoked by Houston
(38:30):
and it doesn't mean you sell the farm. What it
means and this is.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
What I really worry about.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
I had Danny parkins on an hour ago is if
you go back to Mahomes. So he got to sit
the first year and then the second year. He was
really really good, but he could mechanically kind of get
into the weeds and Cam Mahomes Stafford Josh Allen. When
you're truly gifted, when you're really absolutely uniquely gifted, it
(38:55):
could be singing voice or playing quarterback, you're willing to
take more chance. You're willing to playoff script because you've
been rewarded in high school and college off script. I
mean Lamar Jackson takes off and runs high school in
college it's a pot of gold. So he's gonna do
it in pros until he gets hitting the ribs too
(39:15):
many times. So when you get a Quarterbackkah Lamar Josh,
when you get a quarterback Cam Newton, Cam Newton never
had that brilliant offensive coach to rely on to get
him back in the fairway. He had Ron RIVERA defensive culture.
(39:36):
That's what Caleb has. Bears are a defensive culture. I
don't worry about Caleb. I worry about the support system.
Maholmes had Andy Stafford can get in the weeds. He's
so much better as a ram with McVay right when
the truly get Josh Allen was at his best with
Brian Dabele. I've worried brought Ken Dorseyan didn't look as
(39:57):
good now. Josh is so in insanely talented. He just
ds superman. He overcomes stuff. I don't think Caleb's as
good as Josh Allen. I think Josh is different, He's bigger, stronger.
I think he's different. But what I worry about with
Caleb Williams is he is so gifted and has been
rewarded his entire life. Going off script, that you need
(40:20):
a strong offensive mind that understands the sensibility at quarterback
to pull him back in the fairway. Mahomes had it,
Stafford now has it. Cam Newton never had it. Cam
Newton cam aged quickly. Ben big Ben didn't really have it.
He aged more quickly. That's what I worry about with
Caleb Williams. I think it's a reasonable a reasonable concern.
(40:44):
So as I look over the NFL schedule, Week two,
one of the games that jumps out to me is
Houston off will win at home a ton of weapons.
It's going to be a shootout. They're going to score
points playing at home. And so what happens to Chicago
this week is it's not Tennessee. They're going to have
to be hyper aggressive offensively to keep up against Tennessee.
(41:06):
They can be conservative, they can babysit Caleb, and he
still struggled. And you were at home. Now you're moving
into big boy football. Houston's dropping minimum twenty four to
twenty seven points, so you're gonna score twenty six to
twenty eight points to win. Meaning Chicago will have to
be more aggressive, and I think Caleb will mostly be
(41:27):
left to his own devices. He will not have that guru,
that respected voice in the NFL for years that can
keep him lined up. The more talented people are in
any field, the more they're rewarded doing it their way.
And it takes McVeigh, read, Sean Payton, day ball, really
(41:50):
strong offensive guys to bring it back in. Tom Brady
didn't have that. Brady was a grinder. Brady was a
sixth rounder. Britty didn't move off script. So Tom is
it's not somebody you had to pull back in. Tom
stayed there. Peyton Manning largely doesn't get rewarded off script.
Peyton was on script. You didn't have to worry about
it with Tony Dungeon. But the truly gifted athletes. John Harbaugh,
(42:13):
strong respected voice can pull Lamar back in. I'm not
saying Lamar wouldn't succeed everywhere, but now Herbert could run
a little, but he's pretty disciplined in what he does.
That's why he and Harbor are good fit. You don't
have to really coach justin much.
Speaker 7 (42:28):
You're of the belief this Texans defense it canna be
juiced up prime time to go after.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
My take is Chicago's going to have to score twenty
seven to win. They couldn't score much at all against Tennessee.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
The first game, Jitters, bad game plan.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
You and I see the world different.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
Shane Waldron no faith, lack of faith
Speaker 1 (42:49):
No less faith than Andy Reid and our three
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