September 13, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin gives his 5 best NFL bets for week 2 in the Blazin' 5
Former Cardinals GM Steve Keim joins The Herd to talk about QBs in the NFL and what might keep Dolphins QB Tua Tagovailoa from retiring early
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
All right, here we go hour two and a Friday,
live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Wherever you may
be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making
us part of your day. So Steve Kaime ten years
NFLGM will join us here in about five minutes. Blazing five.
So last week it was week one. That's the entire offseason.
I said, I was not going to do the Blazing
five in week one. You're flying blind, no idea what
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I'm doing. So we went one, three and one. It's fine.
I mean that, let's be honest. I was on the
right side with Tennessee whatever, no pity, I'm not at
the It's just the reality of it. But I had
very low expectations week one. So this week, you and
I tend to be kind of value investors. We tend
to look for points and underdogs. I'd say both of
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us are always looking to get underdogs on the board.
This week, I have three favorites. I don't do that
very often, but I do think I'm seeing something. The
gap between quarterback playing this league, I mean even the
gap between the middle guys like Derek Carr in the
bottom half feels enormous.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Oh so Derek Carr is in the middle half.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Now, No, I would say he's in that Baker Derek
Carr kind of Geno Smith, and I think those guys
feel like they're a notch above. A lot of these
young quarterbacks like a notch above. So here we go
Blazing five Week two.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Let's blaze it up right enough. It's Collins Blazing five,
sponsored by Draft Games. Forty nine ers said Viking.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I'm gonna take the Vikings plus five points. I think
it's the play here. Niners are on a short week now.
Jennings has heard it. Wide receiver Christian McCaffrey's still out.
I think it's hard to play two for perfect football games.
Back to back listen Donald Sam Darnold's playing his old team,
He's faced them in practice. This is the only team
Minnesota that held an opponent under ten points. They got
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five sacks. I think they'll put some pressure and I
think this is one of the best coach teams in
the league. Again, the Niners a short week, they're still
banged up. The Vikings pass offense and this is using
backup quarterbacks under Kevin O'Connell. If you go look at
the passing offense, five different starting quarterbacks they've used. They're
putting up top five numbers in the league. I think
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this goes down to the final sequence, the final minutes
of the game. I'm going to take the Vikings to cover,
but the Niners to win narrowly twenty six to twenty three.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I'm gonna take the Cowboys as a six point home
favorite and swallow the six points. Could be the best
bet on the board. Listen, just go look at the numbers.
McCarthy and DAK are unbelievable home face. It's bully ball.
When they're favored and play an inferior team, they roll them.
DAK best home team in the NFL last year at
eight no they scored thirty seven points a game, so
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they're very comfortable as a favorite. Playing downhill. Defense had
six sacks it's probably the strength of the team. Listen,
the Saints are one in five against playoff teams last year,
but they were nine and three record against non playoff
teams start the last season. So the Saints get their
wins off the lowsy teams, especially lowsy teams at home. Now,
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it's a good team on the road. I like Dallas
to win and cover thirty twenty Cowboys, Jet sit tighten
all right, the wise guys like the Titans, I do not.
I'm gonna take the Jets. Listen. As much as Aaron
Rodgers may have scuffed, he was the fourth highest graded
passer in the week in the league last year against
a very good defense. So this offense is going to
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get better. They got pushed around. Also, this offensive line
is all new guys. They're gonna get better every week.
We said this. The old line's gonna take four weeks
to get really attacked. To get I just think Tennessee,
I'm not sure they have an NFL quarterback. They were
atrocious on third down. They failed to cross midfield in
the second half, brutal. Last nine starts, will Levis is
completing fifty seven percent of his throws. The Jets were
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humiliated physically. They'll play with their hair on fire. Their
defense will be fine. I like the Jets to win
and the Jets to cover twenty four to ten.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Steelers and Broncos.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I like the Broncos at home plus two and a half.
I like the dog here. Pittsburgh has another road game,
go to the high altitude travel cross country. I thought
Denver was pretty good defensively. I mean, I think Sean
Payton and his guys, they may not have great personnel,
but they held the Seahawks one hundred and fifty eight
passing yards. They got two turnovers. Bo Nicks, I don't know.
He took a one bad pick in forty two attempts,
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so I thought he was pretty good. I've said all
off season I think Denver's personnel is better than you think.
I think we have one of the smartest offensive coaches
at home. And Pittsburgh, by the way, their offense was
twenty eight rank scoring offense last season, I think it's
worse justin fields did not attempt a single pass over
the middle of the field. Denver coaches are going to
see that. I'm gonna take the Broncos the points. I
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think they win outright, twenty three to twenty.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Bear's in Texan.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Okay, I'm gonna take another favorite. I'm not prone to
do this. I think CJ. Stroud. I think in about
six weeks we may be looking up thinking he's the
third best quarterback in the league. I think the kid's incredible.
I think he's incredible. Seventy five percent completion percentage last
week at home. Last year rookie Year had one hundred
and twelve passer rating at home. The kids unbelievable. He's
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intentional with his running. He's one of the more accurate passers. Now.
They've given him Joe Mixon a twenty five to thirty
carried back. They've added Stefon Diggs. Folks, this offensive roster
is e elite. It's top two or three in the
league now, and c J. Stroud's getting better by the way.
The Bears offense a mess and now Roman Dunzay and
Keenan Allen are hurts. Offense had the fewest yards last week.
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That was at home against an average team. I don't
think they're going to get the ball March. I think
Houston's gonna totally dominate time of possession. It's gonna be
Joe Mixon placks and passes the accurate throwing of CJ. Stroud.
I think it's a mismatch. I don't get the line.
I think the Texans win and cover twenty seven to seventeen,
and I think Chicago may score a late touchdown to
make it close. I think Houston is a bye bye
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bye and CJ. Stroud, Folks, is this kid? How many
starts does he have in the pros? He looks like
a nine year veteran, totally poised, totally under control, no
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So I take two underdogs. I'm gonna take the Vikings
and the Denver Broncos. And I'm gonna go with some
favorites because I think there's quarterback mismatches. I think Dallas
is a great home favorite, but I'm gonna take Erin
over will Levis. I'm taking CJ. Stroud over Caleb Williams.
Those are quarterback plays to me. The wise guys don't
like those moves. I do. Let's bring in my buddy,
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the former Arizona Cardinal GM ten seasons, three playoffs, got
to an NFC championship. Drafted Kyler Murray. Steve kaim is
joining us in the herd here on a Friday. You know,
Steve and I went out and last night chopped it
up a little bit. So the Tuist situation is tough.
It's a rough situation because, first of all, you knew
it was pre existing as a general manager. You know,
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the players in that locker room love Tua. I said,
I I think Tua will talk himself into playing again. Yeah,
because you know this you were willing to take. You know,
you've taken players of all walks of life. These guys
are soldiers, they they that team is family. How as
a general manager would you handle it?
Speaker 4 (07:51):
I mean it is a huge blow. I mean, after
I think it was twenty fifteen, after Carson Palmer had
a lot of success for US, I signed him to
his first contract extension. Two days later he tears his
ACL against the Rams. And you know, there aren't enough
good starters in the National Football League at that position,
let alone backups that can win you games. And at
the time we were undefeated and it was just a
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huge blow to our organization. We knew too had some
of those durability problems coming out of Alabama. But at
the same time, I mean, he has done some good things.
Obviously he's the future, but now all of a sudden,
we're dealing with a different type of injury where you've
got to get neurologists involved and things like that. And
generally when you look at the analytics of that injury,
after your second or third concussion, you are predisposed to
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probably having more concussions and then having a longer recovery time.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah, so it's I mean, if you're the GM, now
you're you're looking around the league. Right in Minnesota last
year gave up but traded a pick for Josh Dobbs. Yes,
it's just I mean I made this. Jmak brought this
up to me a year ago, and I thought it
was a good point. Did general managers under draft quarterbacks?
Could I argue draft quarterback every year?
Speaker 4 (08:58):
I think you could. I mean, I know Ron Will
the old GM, the Packers had that mentality a lot
of times. Now sometimes too, we get so worried about
what does the current starter think? Does he does he
get you know, sort of Uh, you know mea Ben
did all of a sudden you took a quarterback, and
in reality, you're just acquiring stuff that can obviously help
you over time. And you never can forecast injuries, as
we talked about, So when your need in May is
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not always your need in September and October, you always
have to provide depth.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah, Steve Kaim joining us for our radio audience. Let's
talk about Kyler Murray. So you know this is you
are in a unique situation. We have referenced you multiple
times that you draft Josh Rosen and you know you
sell your owner on these draft picks, and then you
had to go to your owner after the season ago,
I'm going to go get another quarterback. And I have
defended Kyler. I know the video game stuff, but I
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when I watch him play Buffalo and I'm just pitter
patter and those little tiny steps he takes. Do you
are you still a believer in him as a playmaker
and a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
I am, and I think I think last week you
saw a lot of growth. I thought Kyler played exceptionally
obviously can't play defense and tackle people, but at the
same time, he put them in a position to win
that football game. And I think once they get better
personnel on defense, they'll be in a better position. But
Kylo and I thought was more decisive. I thought he
made good decisions. I thought he continues to use his
feet to escape the pocket. Again, I think Kyler Murray
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is a guy certainly a top ten quarterback in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
So Marvin Harrison junior. I said Randy Moss and Calvin
Johnson are probably the two best college receivers I ever saw. Yeah,
just a size length. I said, Marvin Harrison's on a
short list of the third best. Now, he's not a burner,
Roma Dunze Good not a burner. Last week he was
invisible and he read flags or I mean, what did
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you make of that? And did you like him as
a prospect?
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Yeah, I did like him as a prospect. But again,
I thought his performance last week was somewhat underwhelming. I
mean again, you know, he looked like a rookie out there,
And when I watched the tape, I thought he played
slow and lethargic. A lot of times those guys get
in there as rookies. Number one, there's not a lot
of preseason tape to watch, you don't get the timing
with the quarterback and bottom line. I thought that, you know,
he looked like he was playing slow, and again, a
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lot of times that's because you're thinking, you're seeing different coverages.
You can't play as fast as you want to play
if you're thinking and you're you know, getting caught up
in the mental part of the game. And again, I
think he's going to be a phenomenal player. But I
got to remind myself guys like Larry Fitzgerald and some
of those other guys, they didn't come in and DOMINATEE
week one.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
So let's go back to Larry Fitzgerald. So he was
out of Pittsburgh. Yes, he's one of the great players
in the history. I mean, he's so rare. He was great,
played forever, a leader. But did you know instantly when
you watch, you know, time about Larry's journey.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Yeah, I mean you saw things early on. They were special.
But at the same time, the consistency and the professionalism
and the approach every day wasn't there right away. I mean,
Larry became a great blocker at the end of his career.
I know, people don't think about blocking as a receiver
it is a critical piece of the game, and Larry
became the best blocker in the National Football League as
a receiver. Early on, he didn't want anything to do
with it. He wouldn't stick his face in there for anything.
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But at the end of the day, he ended up,
you know, again, working himself through it. And obviously he
was a true professional as ball skills were out of
the world and became one of the best receivers in
NFL history.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
What do you make I think it's cool people bailed
on Gino. Here he comes. So I even though my
criticism of Baker is pretty well documented, I've always said
he's one of the top twenty quarterbacks on the planet.
And I watched him last week. He's such an emotional dude. Yeah,
And I got to be honest with you, this Baker.
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I like this Baker better than Cleveland Baker. Yes, how
did you view him out of college? What did you
make of his I thought he was a little over drafted. Ye,
But go back to when you were with the Cardinals.
What did you see with Baker? What did you think
he would become? And is this what you thought?
Speaker 4 (12:40):
I thought this because of his competitiveness and again it's
nice to see guys like him and Sam Darnold have
success now in second and third locations. You know, listen,
a lot of times people underestimate how much coaching and support,
casts and all those things really play into it. So
to me, again, you know, you put Baker in a
good situation. Jason like did a great job on him
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in Tampa. Todd Bowles knows how to coach, and they
put him in an environment where they're running football well,
and they're putting him in positions to succeed. And I
think that's again the most important things schematically is to
put those guys and give them chances that again cater
to their strengths.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Did you like Donald out of college?
Speaker 4 (13:15):
I did not love Donald.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Tell me about that.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yeah, no, I didn't think that he you know, again,
the throwing motion and all the different things I didn't love.
Yet at the same time, again, it's nice to see
he's doing good things. I acknowledge he had great intangibles
and he had all the things that you look for
in a quarterback. But again, I think there were some
things mechanically that bothered me. But again it's nice to
see him have some six success.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I cannot believe how good c. J. Strout is. And
again his comp Lance Zerlines a friend of mine. Yeah,
and Lance said his comps Jared Goff, Well I love golf, Yes,
golf with better running ability?
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Are you even a bit surprised how elegant and effortless
it looks with ce Jay?
Speaker 4 (13:57):
That's the thing. The game looks so slow to him.
I mean it's like he just his ability to process
and see things as I mean, it's exceptional and you know,
certainly like the tap of Ohio State. But could have
never forecast that he would look that that that poised
in that patient in the pocket. And his decisiveness is
just second to none.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
And explain what decisiveness means as a general manager in
this league? What is that decisiveness? Do you use that
couple of times?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
A lot of times in this business too? Like there's
some of these more athletic quarterbacks. They can they can
create bad habits because they're used to using their feet
and their athleticism to get out of trouble. You want
those guys to hit their back foot and make a
decision and give it to the ball, right, I mean,
they get out of the pocket and at the end
of the day. A lot of times these situations where
guys developed that habits because they can run and get
out of trouble, and so they don't finding their first
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reads or second reads quickly. They're running for daylight. And
at the end of the day, you want that guy
to hit his back foot, make a throw and be
on time and on rhythm.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
So Caleb Williams three times last year completed under fifty
eight percent, fifty percent preseason last week's numbers. Tell me,
what did you think of him out of us and
you said he didn't like Darnold?
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
What did you think of him? And would you be
a little concern on the erratic nature of his accuracy?
Speaker 4 (15:09):
I mean, I love this skill set coming out. I'm
not gonna lie. I did have some concerns with the
fingernail thing, but I mean, at the end of the day,
does that really matter.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
No.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
I mean the thing that is so encouraging to me
are the reports that are coming out about his leadership.
And you know, having obviously the close relationship I have
with Cliff Kingsbury, he had the ability to work with
him last year. So he really stood up and told me,
like listen, this guy is the real deal in every way, competitiveness, leadership,
So obviously that sort of made me feel a little
bit better about what you were getting. But you know,
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I think he's, you know, finally he gives a city
some hope.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Yeah, so Steve when this league is very cyclical, and
Harbaugh walks in and he's like, give me JK. Dobbins,
Joe All we're running the football. Yes, and I think
Atlanta will with b John Robinson become much more run
oriented than Arthur Smith was. Do you think I mean
it was a one year ago that everybody was lamenting
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the pay of running back Philadelphia. Howie Roseman's like, no,
get me a running back?
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Do you think that we may be moving back into
a little more run centric offense because now all the
linebackers are to twenty, not to forty. The safeties are
fast but not big. You tell me how does a
general manager look at that? Because it does feel like
this year, boy, we're seeing a tilt back to running.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
I think one thing we'll never get away from in
football is if you can't run the football or stop
the run, you know, you're obviously not going to play
consistent winning football. I mean in at the bottom line
is people underestimate how much you can control the clock,
how much time a possession matters. Interesting and honestly, at
the end of the day, when you can run the
ball against somebody's will, that deflates the other team and
it is a real mental edge for somebody to win with.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, it is like Arizona is a team. I've had
this rule. I don't want my quarterback throwing forty times.
And if you look at Dak throwing over forty under
forty two different quarterbacks. Yep, let's go back to like
Kyler Murray. Does it bother a quarterback? If you sit
down and say, listen, we're gonna draft runningack because Arizona's
got two running backs, I like, yeah, how do you
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play that game with a superstar quarterback and saying we're
gonna like Josh Allen last night, they were not dependent
on him these first two weeks they're running the football
in Buffalo. Do you have to have conversations with the
quarterback you're paying four hundred million about that?
Speaker 4 (17:23):
I think you do just because you want them to
feel vested in the organization and feel like that they
have a say in it. But at the end of
the day, I mean, you draft a receiver and they're
not mad you didn't take the left tackle, and you
take a left tackle on their piss you didn't take
a running back. So you don't ever have the ability
to make them all happy. But at the end of
the day, I think, again, for purposes of camaraderie and
again your relationship, you do want to involve those guys
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to a degree.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
You told me something once privately. I think we can
talk about this that people fans tend to see, well,
owners are all billionaires and there's a salary cap. Yeah,
so everybody's got the same money. And then I look
at Cincinnati trying to push off the guaranteed money to
Jamar Chase to twenty twenty seven, and I'm like Stan Kronk,
you would write a check explain to the audience that
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even though there's a salary cap and they're all billionaires,
teams money is not even.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Yeah, I mean, you're always gonna you're gonna kick the
can forward to some degree if you're spending cash over cap.
But there are teams that don't spend too the cap.
And at the end of the day, I mean again,
everybody has run differently. There are cash more cash rich
teams and they they spend differently. And listen, at the
end of the day, that people don't think about these
big quarterback contracts, especially you have to put a certain
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amount of money in an escrow, right, and a family
owned team like the Bengals, I'm sure don't love putting
one hundred and fifty million dollars in an escrow account
just to sit there and prove they can page a burrow,
you know. So obviously that could affect different contracts that
come along the way, like Jamar Chase. But yes, there
is a huge difference in the way certain teams are run,
how quickly, how early on they approach some of the
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contracts as.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Well, if I said, do you give me the three
or four teams league that you knew that money was
never an issue, they may have six hundred million in
an esquirl account. Like who are the rich teams?
Speaker 4 (19:05):
The Rams, Seahawks generally the teams that were my division?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Philadelphia feels like the Philadelphia.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Yeah, Jeffrey Larry is a great owner and certainly willing
to spend.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
All right, Steve Kime, some big news potentially happening in
his life. I can't give it away. Former NFL general manager.
Great seeing you you and your Hello?
Speaker 4 (19:25):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Audience can't see her. I wish they could, but they can't.
You guys flying home today?
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Yes, yes, heading back to the to the hot desert.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Well, they're they're all in one.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
For the record, Rams Arizona Rams old lines completely depleted. Yes,
so the Rams went and got a guy like was
it a practice squad guy?
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
When you're a general manager and you have cluster injuries,
do you view that as a challenge if you're less
need or is it a nightmare?
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Nightmare? There's no way to sugarcoat it. I mean you're
looking at your board and you see the stuff that
the Rams are dealing with right now, and I mean
there's no way to even put into words to explaining him.
You have that many injuries, particularly at that position, you
just hope to God he gets out of gets the
ball out quick.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
What position in football do you worry about the talent
over the next ten years? What position do you I
look at receiver and I'm like, there's a Shurtplus all
these seven on seven leagues, you can get guys in
the Jennings in the sixth round becaumes. Is there a
unit or a position that you look at college football's
trajectory and then you look at the NFL and think, man,
you just can't there. You can't find guys offensive tackles.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Yeah, I mean you're you're paying guys now twenty twenty
four million dollars a year play offensive tackle. The next
guy up, if you unfortunately have an injury, is Joey
bag of donuts who can't tie his shoes, so by
the time he gets out of the stance, you know
you got these freak pass rushers that are killing your quarterback.
And again, just the drop off in talent is just
so immense.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Not a lot of six foot seven, three hundred and
twenty five pound guys with good feet.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
No, not walking the earth.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
That's George Jung of the Giants. When you see one
draft one figured it out, that's it. Steve Gracie and
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Speaker 1 (21:09):
Emmanuel Sanders is going to be joining us in studio
last hour plus J Max is going to have his
picks man Josh Allen Buffalo Now didn't have to rely
on Josh Allen. You have him as your fastball, your closer,
but don't have to rely on me.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
By the way, I had somebody text me during the show,
prominent NFL gambler about your picks.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
He's very impressed with your Vikings call. So I just
thought i'd share that with you.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
He likes that pick.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Yeah, this is one of the sharper guys. I know
he comes on my podcast. I'm not going to say
his name, but this Vikings looks like the sharp side.
I think you're in line for a possible four and one.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I don't like the Jets. You don't like the Jets.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
I'm terrified of it. Oh and two start coming in.
I might call him sick Monday. It's already it's in play.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
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Speaker 6 (22:03):
Caleb Williams got the dub in his NFL debut despite
a rocky fourteen of twenty nine for ninety three yards. However,
his former coach Lincoln Riley stopped by the All Facts
No Breaks Podcast with Keishawn Johnson to give a positive
spin on Caleb's Week one.
Speaker 7 (22:21):
There's no doubt he's gonna make some great plays, and
I know he made some really important plays at the
end of that game for them to win it. He's
gonna definitely get better, certainly as it goes on, as
he learns his team, as he learns the league, as
he sees how people are going to defend them, which
you know, the preseason's one thing, but you know, if
everybody saves quite a bit, then the regular season is
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obviously much different. But I think he's going to continue
to adapt and get better. But he made some winning
plays in that game that were really important, and I
know he's a confident kid that's going to go back
to work and correct the mistakes and he's just gonna
get better and better.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I think so too.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
It's a lot like a first prime time showing.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
So it's and it's on the road, and it's against
the team and a quarterback that does not make mistakes.
There's no Will Levis nonsense. I mean, they basically Tennessee
had them beat. Tennessee led bag and had them beat
That's one Will Levis that is on will Levis, Tennessee
had them beat. We were both on the right side
on this game.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
How much does the narrative change if Tennessee doesn't blow
that game and now it's Caleb awful Owen won heading
into Houston and it's like, oh boy, I mean again,
Owen just getting that lucky win.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Take it.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
And so that's why I like the Jets because I
think the Jets. I think when you go look at McVeigh,
Andy Reid, Kyle Shanahan week one, it's a nightmare to
play those guys. They have all off season to draw plays.
I think the Jets defense is going to be just fine.
And they looked awful. I mean, god, they scored Niners
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scored an eight straight scoring drives. Do you know the
Jets allowed last year? And this is what bad quarterback
play and bad field position and on the field the
whole game. The Jets averaged Their defense allowed the fewest
yards for playing the league. Now think about that. That's
with terrible quarterback play, meeting a lot of three and outs.
So the defense was on the field for the Jets
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last year all year and so not rested. And then
all of a sudden when you're on the field that
match year, dinged up and beat up. You just lose
more guys. And they allowed the fewest yards. And that's
also a team in the AFC that plays Josh Allen
twice played to Or twice. So the Jets defense is fine,
but I think it's a it's a cautionary tale when
you look at the schedule of going against you know,
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one of the four smartest guys on the planet offensively,
who's got six months to taylor a game play.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
This is the second straight year in Week one I
went against the Niners. Remember last year it was Steelers Niners.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Two one, and they blew them out.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Was like Mike Tomlin underdog at home.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Of course, come on Rock Perdy.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
And remember that game. It was like they won thirty
to seven or something. They just did whatever they wanted.
Nobody moved the ball to the Steelers the rest of
the year like that. So I think this is a
great example to me, this Jets defense on the field
all year in the better conference in the division with
two or twice and and Josh Allen twice allowed the
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fewest yards per play. Watch the Jets defense this weekend
be brilliant.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
So you like the Under as well?
Speaker 8 (25:23):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I think the Under and the Jets, and I think
it's gonna be a defensive game, run game, and they're
just gonna be like, let's get out of town, beat
these guys, getting a plane, second straight road game, Let's
get home and get comfortable. Like New England's coming up
on the schedule.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
But they're not.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
They're not a cupcake. You said last week for Bears,
you just wanted to watch Bears.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
You reach, I watched the Hole every snap.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
I don't know if I can stummack just the Jets
at one pm when there's.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Like ten other people. Get what of the other games are?
There's like ten other games, Guys in the back, give
give me the early schedule.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
I mean, it's not now.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
I gotta watch the Jets, obviously, I have to, but
I don't know if I can just watch.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
What I think shan be painful. I think the Niners
Vikings is a one o'clock at one o'clock as well. Okay,
I gotta watch that game. Hey, Sam Donald spinning it.
I love how Steve Kim said he didn't love Donald
out of college. He was honest about he like, didn't
love him. He liked Baker out of college. He didn't
like Donald.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Yeah, all right, let's get to a gay story.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
Number two is Jayden Daniels, who actually had a decent
debut against the Bucks.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
He ran too much seventeen or twenty four.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
Buck eighty four did have sixteen carries, which we don't
like for eighty eight yards. Some of that was in
garbage time when it was like a twenty point game.
Speaking of the media yesterday, O c Cliff Kingsmurray says
that Daniels made the most of a bad play call
on one of those touchdowns.
Speaker 8 (26:42):
I called one of the worst plays I've ever called
in my entire career, and he just took it all
and ran into the end zone, you know, and it's
like she was not going to be denied there on
the goal line. And he says a lot about him
in that situation. You know, a lot of people would
not have taken that opportunity to drive that ball down
him and put him in end zone. And he wanted
to ball in his hands and wanted to score. So
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that was exciting to see. I think every day he
gains more and more credibility in the locker room with
his you know work at his attention detail, and then
the competitive spirit is as good as I've ever done around.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
By the way, the one o'clock Windows got too many
good games. I have three of my picks on the
one o'clock windows. So New Orleans Dallas, you gotta watch
that game. That's Fox, That's Dallas is a great home
favorite under McCarthy, great home favorite. Also New Orleans can't play.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
That well again. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Uh, the other one, I think, I think Baker at Detroit.
I think Detroit is gonna win that game. But I
think Baker at Detroit's fun.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Always have to have one eye on Chargers, to have
to have an eye on Jim marble.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Hold on Minnesota. San Francisco's must watch. I think if
Jordan Love plays Colts Packers is great. I gotta tell you,
there's a couple of stinkers here. You're gonna watch Cleveland Jacksonville.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I have money on that game. Yeah, I'm gonna be
you do. Yeah, we'll talk about it.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Oh is that one of your picks? Yes, Oh that's exciting.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
Yeah, I know, risk, risky play, but that's what you
do with Week two. By the way, Giants Washington, what
do you like in that game.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
The wise guys like the jobs. I like the Giants.
I'm on the Giants too.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
This Molik neighbors know if he's ruled out, he had
like a knee thing he can't cancel, and then I'm out.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
I'm not betting the Giants, but if there's something.
Speaker 6 (28:18):
Interesting Daniels, if you broke down his passing chart, nineteen
of his twenty four attempts were like behind the line
of scrimmage, five yards, ten yards, everything.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Close, sure, Bonnick Bonnicks and Jayden Daniels. I think some
of that's coaching. I think Cliff Kingsbury and Sean Payton,
first game on the road NFL rookie, let's keep let's
bubble screen it underneath routes and see how the game progresses.
So I think that's coach led. I think I think
Sean and Cliff trust these guys when you open on
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the road again. By the way, Todd Bowles defensive coach,
Mike McDonald defensive coach, I think. But sew and Kingsbury
are just like, listen, let's let's let our d fence
picked up some of the slack, and they couldn't in Tampa.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
So my only issue with that Colin Jade Daniels had
what like five years of college?
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Did you start at Arizona State.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Against his college?
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Brand new young kid? This is an experienced, like twenty
three year old.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
You tell me C J. Stroud in his first game
as a pro, wasn't this second week? I think he
played Baltimore and it was like, oh kew. Baltimore was first,
And it was something about the things. You're on the road,
you're a rookie, You're nervous. I mean, wouldn't you be nervous?
Speaker 2 (29:31):
You remember me the first.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Time I did this, you were a rack? Oh are
you kidding me? I came out firing, just fire all
of that.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
That's how you perceived it.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Fearless.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
We came out. We thought those you were shooting a
lot but hitting a lot of clankers side of the backboard.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
Actually, okay there out final story is let's go to
the packers. So all week Matt Lafleur has left the
door open for Jordan.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Love to play. Malik Willis was acquired via trade. Remember
three weeks.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
Ago, I didn't realize it was that Recently, Willis admitted
he's getting a crash course on the offense, a crass
course on the offense heading into Sunday.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
Each guy just kind of does what they can to
work hard and get better each day until the opportunity arises.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
And this is definitely one of those opportunity.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
It seems, or it may be. It's been pretty much
around the clock since I got here. That's the reality
of this thing. You try to come in and be
ready to go if you're called upon, and like you say,
you just work east day and that's it.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
That's all you can do. Yes, how you can control.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Interesting? You know, here's the thing. If you're a spot starter,
you get one start Malik Willis. Colts don't know what
they're getting. Now you get taped for the next team.
But Malik Willis could come out here, Matt Lafleur could
be like, let'ten do We're gonna ask you a throw
twelve times. We're running football with you. Yeah, the Colts
could be completely unprepared for it, so you don't know
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what you're getting. I thought part of the success for
Anthony Richardson last year for the Colts, nobody had need
only played thirteen games in college, So you're like, you
don't know what you're getting that you have. But do
you look at stich in tape? Do you look at
Anthony Richardson tape? And I thought there was an element
of surprise early as people just didn't know and they
ran him. And I think Malik Willis could come out
here and if you know, if lafleor could very well say, guys,
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our goal is under fifteen passes and we're just gonna
run the football, get one turnover, take a lead at
home at Lambeau. Anthony Richardson and young on the other side,
you don't know.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
You remember Josh Dobbs last year he was signed to
the Vikings, had like forty eight hours started.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
In one game.
Speaker 9 (31:28):
So don't give me this.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
Malik Willis has been here for three weeks. This is
a guy who's been around the league. I will point
this out. He was with Tennessee. Okay, yeah, Tennessee plays
in the same division as the Colts. Gus Bradley's still
been in the defensive court a good point. So he's
been in the quarterback room prepping for this Gus Bradley
defense for a couple of years now.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Oh it's good.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
I think there's a world where Willis is not awful.
I think he's a bad quarterback, but I think he
can have success.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
That's a good get by you.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Well, I mean Gus plus Gus Bradley doesn't love to
blitz a lot. He just sits in his like cover three. Yeah,
and Willis, let's say just bubble screens read. You know
that guy's fastest. Hell did you see him against.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
The green Bay They're not paying any of these receivers
and tight ends for two more years. I mean everybody's
paying everybody. Green Bay's got three receivers and tight ends
for two more years.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
They even have I don't know if I should give
this out.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
They have like a third string running back who played
a little against the Eagles. He's number seven.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
He had some.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Juice when he played.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
He's gonna get carries this weekend. I grabbed him in fantasy.
I told my brother, get this is like a bit
of a sleeper. But they got some backs like Jacob's
we like, yeah, I like him.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
They got young. The Packers have some skill position guys
to be like, oh, that guy's got.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Some These guys they're they're gonna score a lot of So.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
I think the Packers are the side in this one.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Now j Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
It's funny. They're always killing me for my packer picks.
Jordan Love may not play Now you love them? You
didn't love him with Jordan Love the starter Now, Malie Willis,
I love Green Bay in this spot. I don't know.
I think they're I don't know if they're ready to graduate.
It's like a college team with too many underclassmen. But boy,
Green Bays got players. Man, they draft and develop. It
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is amazing to watch. One of the fascinating things for me.
Somebody could write a book in it. Someday. New England
could not draft for seven years. The last seven years
Belichick's drafts were terrible. Well, Nick Cassario was in the building.
Casario then goes down to Houston to be the GM
and their drafts are incredible. Huh what did the plain
flight he change? That tells me that Cazario didn't have
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any pull in New England. That bill ultimately, you know,
a month before the drafts like I'm gonna take it
from here, which I had heard before, became kind of
a trend. New England couldn't draft Houston is like on
a Green Bay level where they just don't miss on
guys and it's the same guy who's the GM. So
that's a tell that Belichick just did not let Nick.
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Just remember during the draft, they always show Belichick's in
front of his computer with his cat or his dog
or something, and it's like, the truth is this guy
obviously was not allowed ultimate say. I mean, another example
of this is John Schneider the GM in Seattle. So
for years and years there was a sense when Paul
Allen passed away and was ill, that Pete kind of
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filled that leadership void. Pete was a franchise, so John
Snyder was gonna leave to go to Detroit, was offered
the job, and then the Allen's like, Jody Allen like
get back here, will pay you. And then it was
very clear he only came back because he got final
say on all draft picks. Pete didn't have the juice
and the last two drafts for John Snyder have been great.
So a lot of times, if a coach is a
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super star, Andy Reid's very rare. Andy Reid doesn't want
to he wants to let Brett Beets do his stuff.
But a lot of these coaches, they want say in drafting,
and I mean, Mike Holmgren's one of the all time
great coaches. When he was with Seattle, he did some
He had a lot of power for a while, and
I always thought he had too much power because they
had some bad draft picks. Being a coach is hard.
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Belichick tried both. It failed. I thought Pete had too
much power in Seattle for about a four or five
year stretch. But the last two Seahawk drafts I'm watched
and Seattle played Denver. Seattle is fast. Those last two
drafts for Seattle, Snyder's run the shop. They're out standing.
Speaker 6 (35:08):
But on some level, doesn't the coach have to have
a say? Column It's like you're telling me to come
up with the game plan. Okay, well I know what
I need to make my meal. Let me pick the ingredient.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Let me have a sake.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Brett Veach. Brett Veach, Kansas City came to Andy Reid
a year early. He said, I want you to watch
this tape of Patrick Mahomes and Steve Kim and I
were talking about this last night at dinner about like
he loved Mahomes, but nobody thought Kansas City was going
to move up. They surprised people. But Veach came to
Andy Reid said, look at him, and he's like wow,
and he came. Brett came back six months later. Okay,
(35:41):
I got more tape. Look at him and he's like wow.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
That's okay.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
So what you do is, hey, I got a guy
I really like, and you forge a relationship. You do
not want the coach making the ultimate safe yes, now
like Jim Harball when asked about Joe Alt, said no,
everybody was on board and and Dean Spanos told me
that I went had to with Dean Spanos. He said
everybody wanted Joe Alt. That was like a in the building.
That was a decision. And by the way, he had
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a great opening game. Everybody thought they were going to
go wide receiver, and Joe Alt's opening game was absolutely insane.
Max Crosby was a wall. So I think what you
want is like in San Francisco, Harbad didn't Trent Balkey
and Harbad did not get along. Ballky can be very difficult.
So Horball said, I'm gonna go to college where I
control my personnel. But I do think Jim, I think
(36:29):
it's a collaborative effort. But a general manager's job. I
mean Steve and I chop it up regularly. I ask
a million questions on this stuff. Coaches coach and coaches
can generally want players who will help them immediately. But
when you're building, when you're building a roster, you're building
you and the owner. You're building that thing for ten
years out and five years out. Coaches want guys who
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can help me now now because they want to save
their They'll reach on a pass rusher because you need
a pass rusher. I mean, Denver needed a pass rusher,
but they didn't draft one this year until later, which
is telling me that the GM and Denver you know,
told told him let's get bo Nicks these guys in
the second third round. They're not good enough. So that
tells me that Sean Payton is listening to the GM.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
I would agree.
Speaker 6 (37:12):
You need like a philosophy both what is our what
is going to be our identity on this team? And
Harball said we're going to be a run football team.
Gimme Joe Alt and everybody's like, sure, let's do it.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
So that doesn't always happen, though it sounds like.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Okay, some coaches are great personnel coaches. Jimmy Johnson's legendary
Jimmy because of his college days. Jimmy is one of
those coaches that you want to have a say if
you're a GM. It's like Jimmy's great at this. Not
all coaches are. Pete Carroll was very good as first
three to four years in Seattle because he'd coached college
football and he knew the odometerra on these players. So
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Seattle's when Pete came out of college, like hardball coming
out of college, I would want jim having a huge say.
For three years, he's recruited all these guys, but by
year four he didn't recruit those guys. So when a
guy comes from college to pro the first two or
three years, like Pete and Seattle, I want Pete to
have huge sake. But then Pete becomes an NFL coach again,
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and by year four and five and six, Pete did
not have the success in the drafts that he did
in the first two or three.
Speaker 9 (38:13):
And that's just that.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
I mean that the Seattle's first three drafts with Pete
were insane. First three or five, but you knew all
these guys home runs every way, home runs in the
fifth and sixth round he.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Was against Fancy. They had so many I mean Doug.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Bald went undrafted. I mean, give me a break, I
mean Richard Sherman was all right, gotta take a break
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Speaker 3 (39:25):
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Speaker 1 (39:31):
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Speaker 3 (39:35):
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Speaker 1 (39:36):
You like Wildcats.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
I just like that team. They're fun at all.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Oh, they're fun. By the way, Apparently Travis Kelsey didn't
threaten Elon Musk. It was ai or something. It was
fake on the internet. Who knows what's real and fake?
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Something fake on the internet.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
No, I mean, I can't tell. I mean, I wasn't
on the phone yesterday. I tell my wife's this all
the time. Man, I just she calls, I pick it up.
I stay off the phone.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Are you still doing FaceTime? Like all the time?
Speaker 1 (39:56):
I do it with my kids. But I don't, you can't.
I don't know on that Elon Musk platform, what's fake?
What's real? Who knows? I get fooled all the time. Happens.
I moved to TikTok. Are really TikTok's funny. TikTok makes
me laugh. My favorite comedians are the Dance I don't
do anything, but TikTok is fun.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Now you know it's fun.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
I was thinking about this this morning. Martin Scorsese's one
of the great film directors of our life. It took
him twenty films to win an Oscar. Hmm, think about that,
twenty films. Lebron James, how long did he play before
he got a title? How long? How long? Lebron James
best basketball player ever? Nine years? So when Josh Allen,
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everybody freaks out about Josh Allen. He's too talented not
to win a super Bowl. Like when you watch Phil
Mickelson play. I knew Tiger was great, but I'm sorry.
Phil Micholson was too good to not win the Masters
a couple times. He was just too talented. Josh is
too talented not to win some.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Dan Marino too talent, He's gonna win.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
No, I don't. I don't think Dan Marino dram Reno
was a pocket quarterback. Dan Marino wasn't rushing for seven
hundred yards a game. But Dan Marino wasn't his talent
as as Josh Allen.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Like a consensus top seven quarterback in the history of
the sport.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah, but Josh Allen's career in about three years, he'll
be top five all time talent all time.
Speaker 6 (41:16):
I don't put Marino top five you do. I don't
know it's a top seven. There's no way Josh Allen's
top seven in a few years, no shot.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Are you crazy?
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Jatrick Maholmes, Yes, obviously, Well yeah. Do you need success
in the postseason to be considered like an all time great?
Speaker 1 (41:31):
How much did Marino have?
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Marino won like nine playoff games? I think it's nine
to nine.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Ers nine playoff games. How many years he played?
Speaker 3 (41:37):
I mean, Josh, he played a lot. Josh Allen would
be nice if he get Dan five.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Dan Fouts's top twelve ever to me, yeah, had a
lot of playoff success.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Fouts was great stat pattern, just kidding.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
I like to have he was really good our three
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All right, here we go hour two and a Friday,
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NFLGM will join us here in about five minutes. Blazing five.
So last week it was week one. That's the entire offseason.
I said, I was not going to do the Blazing
five in week one. You're flying blind, no idea what
(00:49):
I'm doing. So we went one, three and one. It's fine.
I mean that, let's be honest. I was on the
right side with Tennessee whatever, no pity, I'm not at
the It's just the reality of it. But I had
very low expectations week one. So this week, you and
I tend to be kind of value investors. We tend
to look for points and underdogs. I'd say both of
(01:11):
us are always looking to get underdogs on the board.
This week, I have three favorites. I don't do that
very often, but I do think I'm seeing something. The
gap between quarterback playing this league, I mean even the
gap between the middle guys like Derek Carr in the
bottom half feels enormous.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Oh so Derek Carr is in the middle half.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Now, No, I would say he's in that Baker Derek
Carr kind of Geno Smith, and I think those guys
feel like they're a notch above. A lot of these
young quarterbacks like a notch above. So here we go
Blazing five Week two.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Let's blaze it up right enough. It's Collins Blazing five,
sponsored by Draft Games. Forty nine ers said Viking.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I'm gonna take the Vikings plus five points. I think
it's the play here. Niners are on a short week now.
Jennings has heard it. Wide receiver Christian McCaffrey's still out.
I think it's hard to play two for perfect football games.
Back to back listen Donald Sam Darnold's playing his old team,
He's faced them in practice. This is the only team
Minnesota that held an opponent under ten points. They got
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five sacks. I think they'll put some pressure and I
think this is one of the best coach teams in
the league. Again, the Niners a short week, they're still
banged up. The Vikings pass offense and this is using
backup quarterbacks under Kevin O'Connell. If you go look at
the passing offense, five different starting quarterbacks they've used. They're
putting up top five numbers in the league. I think
(02:35):
this goes down to the final sequence, the final minutes
of the game. I'm going to take the Vikings to cover,
but the Niners to win narrowly twenty six to twenty three.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I'm gonna take the Cowboys as a six point home
favorite and swallow the six points. Could be the best
bet on the board. Listen, just go look at the numbers.
McCarthy and DAK are unbelievable home face. It's bully ball.
When they're favored and play an inferior team, they roll them.
DAK best home team in the NFL last year at
eight no they scored thirty seven points a game, so
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they're very comfortable as a favorite. Playing downhill. Defense had
six sacks it's probably the strength of the team. Listen,
the Saints are one in five against playoff teams last year,
but they were nine and three record against non playoff
teams start the last season. So the Saints get their
wins off the lowsy teams, especially lowsy teams at home. Now,
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it's a good team on the road. I like Dallas
to win and cover thirty twenty Cowboys, Jet sit tighten
all right, the wise guys like the Titans, I do not.
I'm gonna take the Jets. Listen. As much as Aaron
Rodgers may have scuffed, he was the fourth highest graded
passer in the week in the league last year against
a very good defense. So this offense is going to
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get better. They got pushed around. Also, this offensive line
is all new guys. They're gonna get better every week.
We said this. The old line's gonna take four weeks
to get really attacked. To get I just think Tennessee,
I'm not sure they have an NFL quarterback. They were
atrocious on third down. They failed to cross midfield in
the second half, brutal. Last nine starts, will Levis is
completing fifty seven percent of his throws. The Jets were
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humiliated physically. They'll play with their hair on fire. Their
defense will be fine. I like the Jets to win
and the Jets to cover twenty four to ten.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Steelers and Broncos.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I like the Broncos at home plus two and a half.
I like the dog here. Pittsburgh has another road game,
go to the high altitude travel cross country. I thought
Denver was pretty good defensively. I mean, I think Sean
Payton and his guys, they may not have great personnel,
but they held the Seahawks one hundred and fifty eight
passing yards. They got two turnovers. Bo Nicks, I don't know.
He took a one bad pick in forty two attempts,
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so I thought he was pretty good. I've said all
off season I think Denver's personnel is better than you think.
I think we have one of the smartest offensive coaches
at home. And Pittsburgh, by the way, their offense was
twenty eight rank scoring offense last season, I think it's
worse justin fields did not attempt a single pass over
the middle of the field. Denver coaches are going to
see that. I'm gonna take the Broncos the points. I
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think they win outright, twenty three to twenty.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Bear's in Texan.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Okay, I'm gonna take another favorite. I'm not prone to
do this. I think CJ. Stroud. I think in about
six weeks we may be looking up thinking he's the
third best quarterback in the league. I think the kid's incredible.
I think he's incredible. Seventy five percent completion percentage last
week at home. Last year rookie Year had one hundred
and twelve passer rating at home. The kids unbelievable. He's
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intentional with his running. He's one of the more accurate passers. Now.
They've given him Joe Mixon a twenty five to thirty
carried back. They've added Stefon Diggs. Folks, this offensive roster
is e elite. It's top two or three in the
league now, and c J. Stroud's getting better by the way.
The Bears offense a mess and now Roman Dunzay and
Keenan Allen are hurts. Offense had the fewest yards last week.
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That was at home against an average team. I don't
think they're going to get the ball March. I think
Houston's gonna totally dominate time of possession. It's gonna be
Joe Mixon placks and passes the accurate throwing of CJ. Stroud.
I think it's a mismatch. I don't get the line.
I think the Texans win and cover twenty seven to seventeen,
and I think Chicago may score a late touchdown to
make it close. I think Houston is a bye bye
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bye and CJ. Stroud, Folks, is this kid? How many
starts does he have in the pros? He looks like
a nine year veteran, totally poised, totally under control, no
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So I take two underdogs. I'm gonna take the Vikings
and the Denver Broncos. And I'm gonna go with some
favorites because I think there's quarterback mismatches. I think Dallas
is a great home favorite, but I'm gonna take Erin
over will Levis. I'm taking CJ. Stroud over Caleb Williams.
Those are quarterback plays to me. The wise guys don't
like those moves. I do. Let's bring in my buddy,
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the former Arizona Cardinal GM ten seasons, three playoffs, got
to an NFC championship. Drafted Kyler Murray. Steve kaim is
joining us in the herd here on a Friday. You know,
Steve and I went out and last night chopped it
up a little bit. So the Tuist situation is tough.
It's a rough situation because, first of all, you knew
it was pre existing as a general manager. You know,
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the players in that locker room love Tua. I said,
I I think Tua will talk himself into playing again. Yeah,
because you know this you were willing to take. You know,
you've taken players of all walks of life. These guys
are soldiers, they they that team is family. How as
a general manager would you handle it?
Speaker 4 (07:51):
I mean it is a huge blow. I mean, after
I think it was twenty fifteen, after Carson Palmer had
a lot of success for US, I signed him to
his first contract extension. Two days later he tears his
ACL against the Rams. And you know, there aren't enough
good starters in the National Football League at that position,
let alone backups that can win you games. And at
the time we were undefeated and it was just a
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huge blow to our organization. We knew too had some
of those durability problems coming out of Alabama. But at
the same time, I mean, he has done some good things.
Obviously he's the future, but now all of a sudden,
we're dealing with a different type of injury where you've
got to get neurologists involved and things like that. And
generally when you look at the analytics of that injury,
after your second or third concussion, you are predisposed to
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probably having more concussions and then having a longer recovery time.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah, so it's I mean, if you're the GM, now
you're you're looking around the league. Right in Minnesota last
year gave up but traded a pick for Josh Dobbs. Yes,
it's just I mean I made this. Jmak brought this
up to me a year ago, and I thought it
was a good point. Did general managers under draft quarterbacks?
Could I argue draft quarterback every year?
Speaker 4 (08:58):
I think you could. I mean, I know Ron Will
the old GM, the Packers had that mentality a lot
of times. Now sometimes too, we get so worried about
what does the current starter think? Does he does he
get you know, sort of Uh, you know mea Ben
did all of a sudden you took a quarterback, and
in reality, you're just acquiring stuff that can obviously help
you over time. And you never can forecast injuries, as
we talked about, So when your need in May is
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not always your need in September and October, you always
have to provide depth.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah, Steve Kaim joining us for our radio audience. Let's
talk about Kyler Murray. So you know this is you
are in a unique situation. We have referenced you multiple
times that you draft Josh Rosen and you know you
sell your owner on these draft picks, and then you
had to go to your owner after the season ago,
I'm going to go get another quarterback. And I have
defended Kyler. I know the video game stuff, but I
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when I watch him play Buffalo and I'm just pitter
patter and those little tiny steps he takes. Do you
are you still a believer in him as a playmaker
and a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
I am, and I think I think last week you
saw a lot of growth. I thought Kyler played exceptionally
obviously can't play defense and tackle people, but at the
same time, he put them in a position to win
that football game. And I think once they get better
personnel on defense, they'll be in a better position. But
Kylo and I thought was more decisive. I thought he
made good decisions. I thought he continues to use his
feet to escape the pocket. Again, I think Kyler Murray
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is a guy certainly a top ten quarterback in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
So Marvin Harrison junior. I said Randy Moss and Calvin
Johnson are probably the two best college receivers I ever saw. Yeah,
just a size length. I said, Marvin Harrison's on a
short list of the third best. Now, he's not a burner,
Roma Dunze Good not a burner. Last week he was
invisible and he read flags or I mean, what did
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you make of that? And did you like him as
a prospect?
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Yeah, I did like him as a prospect. But again,
I thought his performance last week was somewhat underwhelming. I
mean again, you know, he looked like a rookie out there,
And when I watched the tape, I thought he played
slow and lethargic. A lot of times those guys get
in there as rookies. Number one, there's not a lot
of preseason tape to watch, you don't get the timing
with the quarterback and bottom line. I thought that, you know,
he looked like he was playing slow, and again, a
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lot of times that's because you're thinking, you're seeing different coverages.
You can't play as fast as you want to play
if you're thinking and you're you know, getting caught up
in the mental part of the game. And again, I
think he's going to be a phenomenal player. But I
got to remind myself guys like Larry Fitzgerald and some
of those other guys, they didn't come in and DOMINATEE
week one.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
So let's go back to Larry Fitzgerald. So he was
out of Pittsburgh. Yes, he's one of the great players
in the history. I mean, he's so rare. He was great,
played forever, a leader. But did you know instantly when
you watch, you know, time about Larry's journey.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Yeah, I mean you saw things early on. They were special.
But at the same time, the consistency and the professionalism
and the approach every day wasn't there right away. I mean,
Larry became a great blocker at the end of his career.
I know, people don't think about blocking as a receiver
it is a critical piece of the game, and Larry
became the best blocker in the National Football League as
a receiver. Early on, he didn't want anything to do
with it. He wouldn't stick his face in there for anything.
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But at the end of the day, he ended up,
you know, again, working himself through it. And obviously he
was a true professional as ball skills were out of
the world and became one of the best receivers in
NFL history.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
What do you make I think it's cool people bailed
on Gino. Here he comes. So I even though my
criticism of Baker is pretty well documented, I've always said
he's one of the top twenty quarterbacks on the planet.
And I watched him last week. He's such an emotional dude. Yeah,
And I got to be honest with you, this Baker.
(12:23):
I like this Baker better than Cleveland Baker. Yes, how
did you view him out of college? What did you
make of his I thought he was a little over drafted. Ye,
But go back to when you were with the Cardinals.
What did you see with Baker? What did you think
he would become? And is this what you thought?
Speaker 4 (12:40):
I thought this because of his competitiveness and again it's
nice to see guys like him and Sam Darnold have
success now in second and third locations. You know, listen,
a lot of times people underestimate how much coaching and support,
casts and all those things really play into it. So
to me, again, you know, you put Baker in a
good situation. Jason like did a great job on him
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in Tampa. Todd Bowles knows how to coach, and they
put him in an environment where they're running football well,
and they're putting him in positions to succeed. And I
think that's again the most important things schematically is to
put those guys and give them chances that again cater
to their strengths.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Did you like Donald out of college?
Speaker 4 (13:15):
I did not love Donald.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Tell me about that.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yeah, no, I didn't think that he you know, again,
the throwing motion and all the different things I didn't love.
Yet at the same time, again, it's nice to see
he's doing good things. I acknowledge he had great intangibles
and he had all the things that you look for
in a quarterback. But again, I think there were some
things mechanically that bothered me. But again it's nice to
see him have some six success.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I cannot believe how good c. J. Strout is. And
again his comp Lance Zerlines a friend of mine. Yeah,
and Lance said his comps Jared Goff, Well I love golf, Yes,
golf with better running ability?
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Are you even a bit surprised how elegant and effortless
it looks with ce Jay?
Speaker 4 (13:57):
That's the thing. The game looks so slow to him.
I mean it's like he just his ability to process
and see things as I mean, it's exceptional and you know,
certainly like the tap of Ohio State. But could have
never forecast that he would look that that that poised
in that patient in the pocket. And his decisiveness is
just second to none.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
And explain what decisiveness means as a general manager in
this league? What is that decisiveness? Do you use that
couple of times?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
A lot of times in this business too? Like there's
some of these more athletic quarterbacks. They can they can
create bad habits because they're used to using their feet
and their athleticism to get out of trouble. You want
those guys to hit their back foot and make a
decision and give it to the ball, right, I mean,
they get out of the pocket and at the end
of the day. A lot of times these situations where
guys developed that habits because they can run and get
out of trouble, and so they don't finding their first
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reads or second reads quickly. They're running for daylight. And
at the end of the day, you want that guy
to hit his back foot, make a throw and be
on time and on rhythm.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
So Caleb Williams three times last year completed under fifty
eight percent, fifty percent preseason last week's numbers. Tell me,
what did you think of him out of us and
you said he didn't like Darnold?
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
What did you think of him? And would you be
a little concern on the erratic nature of his accuracy?
Speaker 4 (15:09):
I mean, I love this skill set coming out. I'm
not gonna lie. I did have some concerns with the
fingernail thing, but I mean, at the end of the day,
does that really matter.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
No.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
I mean the thing that is so encouraging to me
are the reports that are coming out about his leadership.
And you know, having obviously the close relationship I have
with Cliff Kingsbury, he had the ability to work with
him last year. So he really stood up and told me,
like listen, this guy is the real deal in every way, competitiveness, leadership,
So obviously that sort of made me feel a little
bit better about what you were getting. But you know,
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I think he's, you know, finally he gives a city
some hope.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Yeah, so Steve when this league is very cyclical, and
Harbaugh walks in and he's like, give me JK. Dobbins,
Joe All we're running the football. Yes, and I think
Atlanta will with b John Robinson become much more run
oriented than Arthur Smith was. Do you think I mean
it was a one year ago that everybody was lamenting
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the pay of running back Philadelphia. Howie Roseman's like, no,
get me a running back?
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Do you think that we may be moving back into
a little more run centric offense because now all the
linebackers are to twenty, not to forty. The safeties are
fast but not big. You tell me how does a
general manager look at that? Because it does feel like
this year, boy, we're seeing a tilt back to running.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
I think one thing we'll never get away from in
football is if you can't run the football or stop
the run, you know, you're obviously not going to play
consistent winning football. I mean in at the bottom line
is people underestimate how much you can control the clock,
how much time a possession matters. Interesting and honestly, at
the end of the day, when you can run the
ball against somebody's will, that deflates the other team and
it is a real mental edge for somebody to win with.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, it is like Arizona is a team. I've had
this rule. I don't want my quarterback throwing forty times.
And if you look at Dak throwing over forty under
forty two different quarterbacks. Yep, let's go back to like
Kyler Murray. Does it bother a quarterback? If you sit
down and say, listen, we're gonna draft runningack because Arizona's
got two running backs, I like, yeah, how do you
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play that game with a superstar quarterback and saying we're
gonna like Josh Allen last night, they were not dependent
on him these first two weeks they're running the football
in Buffalo. Do you have to have conversations with the
quarterback you're paying four hundred million about that?
Speaker 4 (17:23):
I think you do just because you want them to
feel vested in the organization and feel like that they
have a say in it. But at the end of
the day, I mean, you draft a receiver and they're
not mad you didn't take the left tackle, and you
take a left tackle on their piss you didn't take
a running back. So you don't ever have the ability
to make them all happy. But at the end of
the day, I think, again, for purposes of camaraderie and
again your relationship, you do want to involve those guys
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to a degree.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
You told me something once privately. I think we can
talk about this that people fans tend to see, well,
owners are all billionaires and there's a salary cap. Yeah,
so everybody's got the same money. And then I look
at Cincinnati trying to push off the guaranteed money to
Jamar Chase to twenty twenty seven, and I'm like Stan Kronk,
you would write a check explain to the audience that
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even though there's a salary cap and they're all billionaires,
teams money is not even.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Yeah, I mean, you're always gonna you're gonna kick the
can forward to some degree if you're spending cash over cap.
But there are teams that don't spend too the cap.
And at the end of the day, I mean again,
everybody has run differently. There are cash more cash rich
teams and they they spend differently. And listen, at the
end of the day, that people don't think about these
big quarterback contracts, especially you have to put a certain
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amount of money in an escrow, right, and a family
owned team like the Bengals, I'm sure don't love putting
one hundred and fifty million dollars in an escrow account
just to sit there and prove they can page a burrow,
you know. So obviously that could affect different contracts that
come along the way, like Jamar Chase. But yes, there
is a huge difference in the way certain teams are run,
how quickly, how early on they approach some of the
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contracts as.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Well, if I said, do you give me the three
or four teams league that you knew that money was
never an issue, they may have six hundred million in
an esquirl account. Like who are the rich teams?
Speaker 4 (19:05):
The Rams, Seahawks generally the teams that were my division?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Philadelphia feels like the Philadelphia.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Yeah, Jeffrey Larry is a great owner and certainly willing
to spend.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
All right, Steve Kime, some big news potentially happening in
his life. I can't give it away. Former NFL general manager.
Great seeing you you and your Hello?
Speaker 4 (19:25):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Audience can't see her. I wish they could, but they can't.
You guys flying home today?
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Yes, yes, heading back to the to the hot desert.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Well, they're they're all in one.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
For the record, Rams Arizona Rams old lines completely depleted. Yes,
so the Rams went and got a guy like was
it a practice squad guy?
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
When you're a general manager and you have cluster injuries,
do you view that as a challenge if you're less
need or is it a nightmare?
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Nightmare? There's no way to sugarcoat it. I mean you're
looking at your board and you see the stuff that
the Rams are dealing with right now, and I mean
there's no way to even put into words to explaining him.
You have that many injuries, particularly at that position, you
just hope to God he gets out of gets the
ball out quick.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
What position in football do you worry about the talent
over the next ten years? What position do you I
look at receiver and I'm like, there's a Shurtplus all
these seven on seven leagues, you can get guys in
the Jennings in the sixth round becaumes. Is there a
unit or a position that you look at college football's
trajectory and then you look at the NFL and think, man,
you just can't there. You can't find guys offensive tackles.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Yeah, I mean you're you're paying guys now twenty twenty
four million dollars a year play offensive tackle. The next
guy up, if you unfortunately have an injury, is Joey
bag of donuts who can't tie his shoes, so by
the time he gets out of the stance, you know
you got these freak pass rushers that are killing your quarterback.
And again, just the drop off in talent is just
so immense.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Not a lot of six foot seven, three hundred and
twenty five pound guys with good feet.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
No, not walking the earth.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
That's George Jung of the Giants. When you see one
draft one figured it out, that's it. Steve Gracie and
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Speaker 1 (21:09):
Emmanuel Sanders is going to be joining us in studio
last hour plus J Max is going to have his
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on Josh Allen. You have him as your fastball, your closer,
but don't have to rely on me.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
By the way, I had somebody text me during the show,
prominent NFL gambler about your picks.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
He's very impressed with your Vikings call. So I just
thought i'd share that with you.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
He likes that pick.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Yeah, this is one of the sharper guys. I know
he comes on my podcast. I'm not going to say
his name, but this Vikings looks like the sharp side.
I think you're in line for a possible four and one.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I don't like the Jets. You don't like the Jets.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
I'm terrified of it. Oh and two start coming in.
I might call him sick Monday. It's already it's in play.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
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Speaker 2 (21:58):
On the news. This is the herd Line News start with.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Caleb Williams got the dub in his NFL debut despite
a rocky fourteen of twenty nine for ninety three yards. However,
his former coach Lincoln Riley stopped by the All Facts
No Breaks Podcast with Keishawn Johnson to give a positive
spin on Caleb's Week one.
Speaker 7 (22:21):
There's no doubt he's gonna make some great plays, and
I know he made some really important plays at the
end of that game for them to win it. He's
gonna definitely get better, certainly as it goes on, as
he learns his team, as he learns the league, as
he sees how people are going to defend them, which
you know, the preseason's one thing, but you know, if
everybody saves quite a bit, then the regular season is
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obviously much different. But I think he's going to continue
to adapt and get better. But he made some winning
plays in that game that were really important, and I
know he's a confident kid that's going to go back
to work and correct the mistakes and he's just gonna
get better and better.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I think so too.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
It's a lot like a first prime time showing.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
So it's and it's on the road, and it's against
the team and a quarterback that does not make mistakes.
There's no Will Levis nonsense. I mean, they basically Tennessee
had them beat. Tennessee led bag and had them beat
That's one Will Levis that is on will Levis, Tennessee
had them beat. We were both on the right side
on this game.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
How much does the narrative change if Tennessee doesn't blow
that game and now it's Caleb awful Owen won heading
into Houston and it's like, oh boy, I mean again,
Owen just getting that lucky win.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Take it.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
And so that's why I like the Jets because I
think the Jets. I think when you go look at McVeigh,
Andy Reid, Kyle Shanahan week one, it's a nightmare to
play those guys. They have all off season to draw plays.
I think the Jets defense is going to be just fine.
And they looked awful. I mean, god, they scored Niners
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scored an eight straight scoring drives. Do you know the
Jets allowed last year? And this is what bad quarterback
play and bad field position and on the field the
whole game. The Jets averaged Their defense allowed the fewest
yards for playing the league. Now think about that. That's
with terrible quarterback play, meeting a lot of three and outs.
So the defense was on the field for the Jets
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last year all year and so not rested. And then
all of a sudden when you're on the field that
match year, dinged up and beat up. You just lose
more guys. And they allowed the fewest yards. And that's
also a team in the AFC that plays Josh Allen
twice played to Or twice. So the Jets defense is fine,
but I think it's a it's a cautionary tale when
you look at the schedule of going against you know,
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one of the four smartest guys on the planet offensively,
who's got six months to taylor a game play.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
This is the second straight year in Week one I
went against the Niners. Remember last year it was Steelers Niners.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Two one, and they blew them out.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Was like Mike Tomlin underdog at home.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Of course, come on Rock Perdy.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
And remember that game. It was like they won thirty
to seven or something. They just did whatever they wanted.
Nobody moved the ball to the Steelers the rest of
the year like that. So I think this is a
great example to me, this Jets defense on the field
all year in the better conference in the division with
two or twice and and Josh Allen twice allowed the
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fewest yards per play. Watch the Jets defense this weekend
be brilliant.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
So you like the Under as well?
Speaker 8 (25:23):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I think the Under and the Jets, and I think
it's gonna be a defensive game, run game, and they're
just gonna be like, let's get out of town, beat
these guys, getting a plane, second straight road game, Let's
get home and get comfortable. Like New England's coming up
on the schedule.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
But they're not.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
They're not a cupcake. You said last week for Bears,
you just wanted to watch Bears.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
You reach, I watched the Hole every snap.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
I don't know if I can stummack just the Jets
at one pm when there's.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Like ten other people. Get what of the other games are?
There's like ten other games, Guys in the back, give
give me the early schedule.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
I mean, it's not now.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
I gotta watch the Jets, obviously, I have to, but
I don't know if I can just watch.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
What I think shan be painful. I think the Niners
Vikings is a one o'clock at one o'clock as well. Okay,
I gotta watch that game. Hey, Sam Donald spinning it.
I love how Steve Kim said he didn't love Donald
out of college. He was honest about he like, didn't
love him. He liked Baker out of college. He didn't
like Donald.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Yeah, all right, let's get to a gay story.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
Number two is Jayden Daniels, who actually had a decent
debut against the Bucks.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
He ran too much seventeen or twenty four.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
Buck eighty four did have sixteen carries, which we don't
like for eighty eight yards. Some of that was in
garbage time when it was like a twenty point game.
Speaking of the media yesterday, O c Cliff Kingsmurray says
that Daniels made the most of a bad play call
on one of those touchdowns.
Speaker 8 (26:42):
I called one of the worst plays I've ever called
in my entire career, and he just took it all
and ran into the end zone, you know, and it's
like she was not going to be denied there on
the goal line. And he says a lot about him
in that situation. You know, a lot of people would
not have taken that opportunity to drive that ball down
him and put him in end zone. And he wanted
to ball in his hands and wanted to score. So
(27:02):
that was exciting to see. I think every day he
gains more and more credibility in the locker room with
his you know work at his attention detail, and then
the competitive spirit is as good as I've ever done around.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
By the way, the one o'clock Windows got too many
good games. I have three of my picks on the
one o'clock windows. So New Orleans Dallas, you gotta watch
that game. That's Fox, That's Dallas is a great home
favorite under McCarthy, great home favorite. Also New Orleans can't play.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
That well again. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Uh, the other one, I think, I think Baker at Detroit.
I think Detroit is gonna win that game. But I
think Baker at Detroit's fun.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Always have to have one eye on Chargers, to have
to have an eye on Jim marble.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Hold on Minnesota. San Francisco's must watch. I think if
Jordan Love plays Colts Packers is great. I gotta tell you,
there's a couple of stinkers here. You're gonna watch Cleveland Jacksonville.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I have money on that game. Yeah, I'm gonna be
you do. Yeah, we'll talk about it.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Oh is that one of your picks? Yes, Oh that's exciting.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
Yeah, I know, risk, risky play, but that's what you
do with Week two. By the way, Giants Washington, what
do you like in that game.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
The wise guys like the jobs. I like the Giants.
I'm on the Giants too.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
This Molik neighbors know if he's ruled out, he had
like a knee thing he can't cancel, and then I'm out.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
I'm not betting the Giants, but if there's something.
Speaker 6 (28:18):
Interesting Daniels, if you broke down his passing chart, nineteen
of his twenty four attempts were like behind the line
of scrimmage, five yards, ten yards, everything.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Close, sure, Bonnick Bonnicks and Jayden Daniels. I think some
of that's coaching. I think Cliff Kingsbury and Sean Payton,
first game on the road NFL rookie, let's keep let's
bubble screen it underneath routes and see how the game progresses.
So I think that's coach led. I think I think
Sean and Cliff trust these guys when you open on
(28:49):
the road again. By the way, Todd Bowles defensive coach,
Mike McDonald defensive coach, I think. But sew and Kingsbury
are just like, listen, let's let's let our d fence
picked up some of the slack, and they couldn't in Tampa.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
So my only issue with that Colin Jade Daniels had
what like five years of college?
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Did you start at Arizona State.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Against his college?
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Brand new young kid? This is an experienced, like twenty
three year old.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
You tell me C J. Stroud in his first game
as a pro, wasn't this second week? I think he
played Baltimore and it was like, oh kew. Baltimore was first,
And it was something about the things. You're on the road,
you're a rookie, You're nervous. I mean, wouldn't you be nervous?
Speaker 2 (29:31):
You remember me the first.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Time I did this, you were a rack? Oh are
you kidding me? I came out firing, just fire all
of that.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
That's how you perceived it.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Fearless.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
We came out. We thought those you were shooting a
lot but hitting a lot of clankers side of the backboard.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
Actually, okay there out final story is let's go to
the packers. So all week Matt Lafleur has left the
door open for Jordan.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Love to play. Malik Willis was acquired via trade. Remember
three weeks.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
Ago, I didn't realize it was that Recently, Willis admitted
he's getting a crash course on the offense, a crass
course on the offense heading into Sunday.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
Each guy just kind of does what they can to
work hard and get better each day until the opportunity arises.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
And this is definitely one of those opportunity.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
It seems, or it may be. It's been pretty much
around the clock since I got here. That's the reality
of this thing. You try to come in and be
ready to go if you're called upon, and like you say,
you just work east day and that's it.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
That's all you can do. Yes, how you can control.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Interesting? You know, here's the thing. If you're a spot starter,
you get one start Malik Willis. Colts don't know what
they're getting. Now you get taped for the next team.
But Malik Willis could come out here, Matt Lafleur could
be like, let'ten do We're gonna ask you a throw
twelve times. We're running football with you. Yeah, the Colts
could be completely unprepared for it, so you don't know
(30:51):
what you're getting. I thought part of the success for
Anthony Richardson last year for the Colts, nobody had need
only played thirteen games in college, So you're like, you
don't know what you're getting that you have. But do
you look at stich in tape? Do you look at
Anthony Richardson tape? And I thought there was an element
of surprise early as people just didn't know and they
ran him. And I think Malik Willis could come out
here and if you know, if lafleor could very well say, guys,
(31:13):
our goal is under fifteen passes and we're just gonna
run the football, get one turnover, take a lead at
home at Lambeau. Anthony Richardson and young on the other side,
you don't know.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
You remember Josh Dobbs last year he was signed to
the Vikings, had like forty eight hours started.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
In one game.
Speaker 9 (31:28):
So don't give me this.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
Malik Willis has been here for three weeks. This is
a guy who's been around the league. I will point
this out. He was with Tennessee. Okay, yeah, Tennessee plays
in the same division as the Colts. Gus Bradley's still
been in the defensive court a good point. So he's
been in the quarterback room prepping for this Gus Bradley
defense for a couple of years now.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Oh it's good.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
I think there's a world where Willis is not awful.
I think he's a bad quarterback, but I think he
can have success.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
That's a good get by you.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Well, I mean Gus plus Gus Bradley doesn't love to
blitz a lot. He just sits in his like cover three. Yeah,
and Willis, let's say just bubble screens read. You know
that guy's fastest. Hell did you see him against.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
The green Bay They're not paying any of these receivers
and tight ends for two more years. I mean everybody's
paying everybody. Green Bay's got three receivers and tight ends
for two more years.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
They even have I don't know if I should give
this out.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
They have like a third string running back who played
a little against the Eagles. He's number seven.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
He had some.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Juice when he played.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
He's gonna get carries this weekend. I grabbed him in fantasy.
I told my brother, get this is like a bit
of a sleeper. But they got some backs like Jacob's
we like, yeah, I like him.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
They got young. The Packers have some skill position guys
to be like, oh, that guy's got.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Some These guys they're they're gonna score a lot of So.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
I think the Packers are the side in this one.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Now j Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
It's funny. They're always killing me for my packer picks.
Jordan Love may not play Now you love them? You
didn't love him with Jordan Love the starter Now, Malie Willis,
I love Green Bay in this spot. I don't know.
I think they're I don't know if they're ready to graduate.
It's like a college team with too many underclassmen. But boy,
Green Bays got players. Man, they draft and develop. It
(33:06):
is amazing to watch. One of the fascinating things for me.
Somebody could write a book in it. Someday. New England
could not draft for seven years. The last seven years
Belichick's drafts were terrible. Well, Nick Cassario was in the building.
Casario then goes down to Houston to be the GM
and their drafts are incredible. Huh what did the plain
flight he change? That tells me that Cazario didn't have
(33:27):
any pull in New England. That bill ultimately, you know,
a month before the drafts like I'm gonna take it
from here, which I had heard before, became kind of
a trend. New England couldn't draft Houston is like on
a Green Bay level where they just don't miss on
guys and it's the same guy who's the GM. So
that's a tell that Belichick just did not let Nick.
(33:48):
Just remember during the draft, they always show Belichick's in
front of his computer with his cat or his dog
or something, and it's like, the truth is this guy
obviously was not allowed ultimate say. I mean, another example
of this is John Schneider the GM in Seattle. So
for years and years there was a sense when Paul
Allen passed away and was ill, that Pete kind of
(34:11):
filled that leadership void. Pete was a franchise, so John
Snyder was gonna leave to go to Detroit, was offered
the job, and then the Allen's like, Jody Allen like
get back here, will pay you. And then it was
very clear he only came back because he got final
say on all draft picks. Pete didn't have the juice
and the last two drafts for John Snyder have been great.
So a lot of times, if a coach is a
(34:32):
super star, Andy Reid's very rare. Andy Reid doesn't want
to he wants to let Brett Beets do his stuff.
But a lot of these coaches, they want say in drafting,
and I mean, Mike Holmgren's one of the all time
great coaches. When he was with Seattle, he did some
He had a lot of power for a while, and
I always thought he had too much power because they
had some bad draft picks. Being a coach is hard.
(34:53):
Belichick tried both. It failed. I thought Pete had too
much power in Seattle for about a four or five
year stretch. But the last two Seahawk drafts I'm watched
and Seattle played Denver. Seattle is fast. Those last two
drafts for Seattle, Snyder's run the shop. They're out standing.
Speaker 6 (35:08):
But on some level, doesn't the coach have to have
a say? Column It's like you're telling me to come
up with the game plan. Okay, well I know what
I need to make my meal. Let me pick the ingredient.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Let me have a sake.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Brett Veach. Brett Veach, Kansas City came to Andy Reid
a year early. He said, I want you to watch
this tape of Patrick Mahomes and Steve Kim and I
were talking about this last night at dinner about like
he loved Mahomes, but nobody thought Kansas City was going
to move up. They surprised people. But Veach came to
Andy Reid said, look at him, and he's like wow,
and he came. Brett came back six months later. Okay,
(35:41):
I got more tape. Look at him and he's like wow.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
That's okay.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
So what you do is, hey, I got a guy
I really like, and you forge a relationship. You do
not want the coach making the ultimate safe yes, now
like Jim Harball when asked about Joe Alt, said no,
everybody was on board and and Dean Spanos told me
that I went had to with Dean Spanos. He said
everybody wanted Joe Alt. That was like a in the building.
That was a decision. And by the way, he had
(36:05):
a great opening game. Everybody thought they were going to
go wide receiver, and Joe Alt's opening game was absolutely insane.
Max Crosby was a wall. So I think what you
want is like in San Francisco, Harbad didn't Trent Balkey
and Harbad did not get along. Ballky can be very difficult.
So Horball said, I'm gonna go to college where I
control my personnel. But I do think Jim, I think
(36:29):
it's a collaborative effort. But a general manager's job. I
mean Steve and I chop it up regularly. I ask
a million questions on this stuff. Coaches coach and coaches
can generally want players who will help them immediately. But
when you're building, when you're building a roster, you're building
you and the owner. You're building that thing for ten
years out and five years out. Coaches want guys who
(36:49):
can help me now now because they want to save
their They'll reach on a pass rusher because you need
a pass rusher. I mean, Denver needed a pass rusher,
but they didn't draft one this year until later, which
is telling me that the GM and Denver you know,
told told him let's get bo Nicks these guys in
the second third round. They're not good enough. So that
tells me that Sean Payton is listening to the GM.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
I would agree.
Speaker 6 (37:12):
You need like a philosophy both what is our what
is going to be our identity on this team? And
Harball said we're going to be a run football team.
Gimme Joe Alt and everybody's like, sure, let's do it.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
So that doesn't always happen, though it sounds like.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Okay, some coaches are great personnel coaches. Jimmy Johnson's legendary
Jimmy because of his college days. Jimmy is one of
those coaches that you want to have a say if
you're a GM. It's like Jimmy's great at this. Not
all coaches are. Pete Carroll was very good as first
three to four years in Seattle because he'd coached college
football and he knew the odometerra on these players. So
(37:47):
Seattle's when Pete came out of college, like hardball coming
out of college, I would want jim having a huge say.
For three years, he's recruited all these guys, but by
year four he didn't recruit those guys. So when a
guy comes from college to pro the first two or
three years, like Pete and Seattle, I want Pete to
have huge sake. But then Pete becomes an NFL coach again,
(38:08):
and by year four and five and six, Pete did
not have the success in the drafts that he did
in the first two or three.
Speaker 9 (38:13):
And that's just that.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
I mean that the Seattle's first three drafts with Pete
were insane. First three or five, but you knew all
these guys home runs every way, home runs in the
fifth and sixth round he.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Was against Fancy. They had so many I mean Doug.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Bald went undrafted. I mean, give me a break, I
mean Richard Sherman was all right, gotta take a break
back in a second live in La the Hurt.
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Speaker 6 (39:16):
Tonight on Fox, a new era of college football kicks
off in prime time with Fox. College Football Friday has
twentieth ranked Arizona.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
It takes on number fourteen K State.
Speaker 6 (39:27):
It's Fox College Football every Friday at eight Eastern all season.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Long, K State. I'll take them. You're gonna play keep away,
good run.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Game, Garscats.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
You like Wildcats.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
I just like that team. They're fun at all.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Oh, they're fun. By the way, Apparently Travis Kelsey didn't
threaten Elon Musk. It was ai or something. It was
fake on the internet. Who knows what's real and fake?
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Something fake on the internet.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
No, I mean, I can't tell. I mean, I wasn't
on the phone yesterday. I tell my wife's this all
the time. Man, I just she calls, I pick it up.
I stay off the phone.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Are you still doing FaceTime? Like all the time?
Speaker 1 (39:56):
I do it with my kids. But I don't, you can't.
I don't know on that Elon Musk platform, what's fake?
What's real? Who knows? I get fooled all the time. Happens.
I moved to TikTok. Are really TikTok's funny. TikTok makes
me laugh. My favorite comedians are the Dance I don't
do anything, but TikTok is fun.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Now you know it's fun.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
I was thinking about this this morning. Martin Scorsese's one
of the great film directors of our life. It took
him twenty films to win an Oscar. Hmm, think about that,
twenty films. Lebron James, how long did he play before
he got a title? How long? How long? Lebron James
best basketball player ever? Nine years? So when Josh Allen,
(40:39):
everybody freaks out about Josh Allen. He's too talented not
to win a super Bowl. Like when you watch Phil
Mickelson play. I knew Tiger was great, but I'm sorry.
Phil Micholson was too good to not win the Masters
a couple times. He was just too talented. Josh is
too talented not to win some.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
Dan Marino too talent, He's gonna win.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
No, I don't. I don't think Dan Marino dram Reno
was a pocket quarterback. Dan Marino wasn't rushing for seven
hundred yards a game. But Dan Marino wasn't his talent
as as Josh Allen.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Like a consensus top seven quarterback in the history of
the sport.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah, but Josh Allen's career in about three years, he'll
be top five all time talent all time.
Speaker 6 (41:16):
I don't put Marino top five you do. I don't
know it's a top seven. There's no way Josh Allen's
top seven in a few years, no shot.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Are you crazy?
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Jatrick Maholmes, Yes, obviously, Well yeah. Do you need success
in the postseason to be considered like an all time great?
Speaker 1 (41:31):
How much did Marino have?
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Marino won like nine playoff games? I think it's nine
to nine.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Ers nine playoff games. How many years he played?
Speaker 3 (41:37):
I mean, Josh, he played a lot. Josh Allen would
be nice if he get Dan five.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Dan Fouts's top twelve ever to me, yeah, had a
lot of playoff success.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Fouts was great stat pattern, just kidding.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
I like to have he was really good our three
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