Mike McCarthy, Patriots, Russell Wilson, and Where Colin was right & wrong

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This is the Herd, wherever you may be and however
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Colin was right, where Colin was wrong, plenty of both,
a wild card weekend with all sorts of surprises, and
Joy Taylor is joining me. Joy, how are you today?

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I'm great. Those games lived up to the hype. It's
a great first weekend. It was Colin right, Colin wrong
in one hour. Let me start with this. Mike McCarthy
is the new head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. Jay
Glazer joins us in about twelve minutes. He broke the story.
What's new? He breaks big stories. So Mike McCarthy, who
would not have been my first choice. This was a
year when there was amazing candidates, Urban Meyer, the whiz kids,

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Lincoln Riley and Matt Rule, Josh McDaniels, Ron Rivera, been
to a super Bowl, and this feels like sort of
Mike McCarthy a really safe hire. Mike McCarthy fits Cleveland
because they need his maturity and they need his stability,
and they need his guidance. That's not that's not what

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Dallas needs. Dallas needs McVay, Kyle Shanahan, Matt Naggey. They
need clever. They've got talent. They don't need stability. There
are plenty stable. Dak provides the stability they don't need.
Necessarily guidance. They've won two divisions last four years. They
don't need necessarily a grown up in the room. Jason

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Garrett is a grown up, sometimes too much of a
grown up. You know, he's clapping like the lou League
dad after every strikeout. That's not what Dallas needs. Dallas
needs some pal some progressive, some clever, some really smart,
some new, some fresh. That's not fifty six year old
Mike McCarthy. You know, it's funny. Jerry Jones. One of

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his famous sayings is he's never happy when he settles overpay,
take a risk. Jerry Jones says, I'm never satisfied when
I try to save money or when I settle. I
always end up with a product I don't love. When
I go for it, when I take a risk, when
I overpay, that's when I have something that everybody else wants.

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Is Mike McCarthy really something everybody else wants? This feels
like settling for a head coach. That's what it feels like.
When I said Mike McCarthy, the first thing you thought
was that's safe. And by the way, you can be
a good coach and not a great fit. I don't
think he's a great fit. Let me throw this. Mike
McCarthy is never in thirteen years as a head coach

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been top ten in rushing attempts. What are the Cowboys?
A run blocking old line and Zeke? That's not in
his DNA. Every coach has in DNA. Gruden loves power running.
Kyle Shanahan and his dad, Mike Shanahan loved to run
the football. Pete Carroll usc in Seattle build a running game.
It doesn't matter. Pete Carroll teams are physical. That's his DNA.

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Sean Payton tend to be clever, spread it out. Andy
Reid develops quarterbacks and wide receivers. Every coach has a DNA.
Mike McCarthy's DNA isn't developing a great running game. In
the last three years, I'm gonna read you this step.
And the last three years in Green Bay, Mike McCarthy
was twenty ninth, twenty fifth and last in rushing percentage.

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That was with above average offensive lines and Aaron Rodgers
being injured. It's not in his DNA. He doesn't build
running games. Thirteen years in Green Bay, he didn't do it.
And I think he's a good coach. But Jerry Jones
has made a empire on taking risk. When he bought

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the Dallas Cowboys, he didn't have the cash for it.
He put that thing on a credit card and had
a scramble for four years. When he built the stadium,
I mean, when he built his practice facility, when he
hired Jimmy Johnson and fired Tom Landry. He's an oil maverick.
If you look at Jerry Jones' entire career, it is
taking big risks. All these young progressive candidates. He interviewed

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two guys, Marvin Lewis and Mike McCarthy and McCarthy stayed
the night at his house. Jerry made pancakes in the
morning or something. I mean, I don't it just doesn't
feel like. It just doesn't feel like in a year
with a bunch of very clever candidates, there's a lot
of really clever candidates out there. You're urban Meyer, You're

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Lincoln Riley, You're Matt Rule, you're Josh McDaniels. I just
don't think the DNA matches here. I don't think it matches. Again,
He's say, if he's an adult, but that was Jason Garrett.
Wasn't that the knock on Jason Garrett. He's safe, he's
an adult. There's never chaos with Jason Garrett's He's say,

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you know, you know that you have a grown up
in the room. You know the players like him. Yeah,
not a lot of controversy between Dak and Jason Garrett.
I got all the maturity I need. What I need
is some sizzle, some risks, some push the envelope. Josh McDaniels,
Urban Meyer, give me a little swag, give me a

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little attitude, give me a little I don't know, I
don't see it. Don't like it don't. I don't think
it's a disaster. I just think it's more of what
I've seen. And if you're gonna pay Dak Prescott thirty
five million dollars, you gotta stretch that quarterback dollar like
like Matt Naggi is with Trubisky. Uh, you know, you

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gotta stretch. You gotta stretch that dollar. You gotta get
every penny out of thirty five million, because Dack's not
really a thirty five million dollars quarterback talent. Not Russell Wilson,
He's not Carson Wentz, He's not Patrick Mahomes, he's not
Lamar Jackson. You know he is. He Jimmy Garoppolo. They
paid Jimmy Garoppolo and San Francisco twenty eight million, which

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is way less than dacoll getting what was the first
thing they did. They got a right tackle, then they
got a tight end. Then they get Emmanuel Sanders. They
know that if you pay the quarterback that kind of money,
you got to get him assistance. Well, Dallas doesn't have
a lot of room. Once they paid Dak, they're not
gonna be able to afford much. So you have to
get that assistance from the coaching because you can't with
their offensive line in Amari and Zeke. There's no money

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left to elevate Dak like you your money, you are
at the cap. So now you got to get the
clever and the elevation from the coach. And I don't
think Mike McCarthy's a bad coach. I think he's a
fine coach. But for the record, Green Bay now is
thirteen and three without him. You know, lsay, don't judge
it just by what he does when he arrives, what

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happens to the place when he leaves. When Hardball left
San Francisco, man overboard, you know, I mean, you go
look at places. I nothing against Mike McCarthy, but he
left Green Bay. They look happier and they're hosting playoff games.
Just saying, all right, let me shift to this. I'll
have more on Mike McCarthy with Jay Glazer coming up

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major scoopage today. Mike McCarthy coach. Glazer broke the story.
So I watched New England all year and we kept saying,
is listen to just that nobody can get open. I
watched Minnesota Adam Feeland's open. I watched Seattle, DK Metcalf's open.
I watch the Saints and Michael Thomas can be open.
And I watched Kansas City and Tyreek Hill can be open.
And I watch I watch Baltimore and all their receivers

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are open. And I watched Houston and d Hop is open.
And I watched the New England Patriots and nobody's open.
There's nobody opened. They don't have a tight end, you know,
the rookie wide receivers and Julian Edelman, who's a bag
of wrenches right now. The guys all banged up. And
but let me just say this, look around the NFL
right now. You know, I love Brady. Look around the

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NFL right now. Tom Brady is forty two, not very athletic.
They are playing in New England at a quarterback athletic deficit.
And Bill Belichick has made a career on being proactive,
not reactive. Everybody keeps telling me Brady's gonna leave, and
everybody keeps telling me Josh McDaniels is gonna leave. Are
we sure Belichick wants to stick around? Belichick wanted to

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move off Brady two years ago and was told by
the owner he couldn't. And I saw a story today
where Robert Kraft says he's praying that Tom Brady resigns.
What do we know about Belichick? Belichick is always ahead
of the curve, and he watches Mahomes and he watches
Josh Allen, and he watches Lamar, and he watches Deshaun Watson,
and he watches Garoppolo and he watches all these guys

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do cool things. And he's got Brady, who I love,
but he's forty two and doesn't make plays once it
breaks down, and he looks a little older. We all
got Josh McDaniels leaving, and we all have Brady leaving.
Has anybody thought about Bill Belichick saying maybe it's my time.

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Giants don't have a coach yet. He's got history there.
He didn't want to coach for the Jets. I think
he coached for the Giants and the Marrow family. Great
respect there. But you know it's funny. We know that
if Tom Brady was on the market, you know, seventy
five percent of the teams wouldn't go after him. And
we know if Josh McDaniels was on the market, seventy
percent of the teams wouldn't go after him. If Bill
Belichick's on the market, how many teams wouldn't go after

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him for I mean maybe? So, you know, I look
at this situation and I don't think Belichick the GM
has always helped Brady the quarterback, right, Belichick's a great coach.
I don't think it's a general manager. They've drafted particularly well.
One Pro Bowler at tight end, wide receiver and running
back in his reign, Gronk. That's it. So I'm not

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saying Belichick's not without blame here, but you look around
at the trend of the NFL, and it's between the
collective bargaining, which means offensive lineman don't practice as much,
and the college game going to spread offenses. Offensive lines
aren't very good in this league. It is not an
either or. You gotta have a quarterback that moves. Brady doesn't.
And Belichick's always been at the head of the curve

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his entire career. Now he's kind of reacting to everybody else.
So I just I keep hearing about everybody leaving New
England if Bob Kraft forces him to resign a forty
two year old about to be forty three year old
Tom Brady, Are we sure Belichick's sticking around. I mean,
we know Belichick has left before. You know, he was

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a Jets coach for an hour and said no, thank you.
I think Belichick may have a little bit more leverage
than everybody thinks here. Tom Brady, for the record, was
asked about his future after the game. I love the Patriots.
I mean they obviously, you know, they got a It's
the greatest organization. And you know, playing for mister Kraft

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all these years and for coach Belichick, I mean there's
you know, there's nobody who's had a better career I
would say than me. Is there any possibility that you
would retire after this last season? Uh, you know, I
would say it's pretty unlikely, but yeah, hopefully unlikely. For

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the record, Gizelle will have a say in where they go.
She is sacrificed for the family. Chargers Miami would be
the first place as Indianapolis. She's probably as a supermodel
not willing to move the family there. That's just speculation,
but from somebody I trust. I got that over the weekend.
Coming up next two makes his announcement NFL or College.

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Joy will have that. Plus Jay Glazer all that coming
up next be sure to catch live editions of The
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Sinex Nasal Spray works up to twelve hours. Joy will
have all the updates on two of that story coming up.
He made an announcement about thirty minutes ago, so she'll

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have that. But first let's go to Jay Glazer, who
broke the story. Fox Sports NFL Insider via the Coward
Global Satellite networked Mike McCarthy the Cowboys. He was the
first to have it. What's new? All right? So let
me just ask this was from the very beginning, Jay,
Is this the guy they targeted, you know, a week
or two ago. Yeah. They wanted NFL head coaching experience,
and I know a lot of people after they thought

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they'd go after like a Lincoln Riley, and that wasn't
the case. They didn't want somebody with college experience. They
wanted somebody who was an NFL head coach, and at
first they wanted defense. But they more they did research
on Mike McCarthy, the more they really started to fall
in love with the grunt that as Mike McCarthy he
is a football guy. And when they met with him

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and interviewed him, and then they looked at it said,
there's such a difference between him and Jason Garrett. Jason
Garrett obviously Princeton kind of guy, and Mike McCarthy is
just a Pittsburgh guy. Worked with the Toll Booth. He's
a grunt and you know is the way he went
in there and explained how he would run their offense,
run their team, and the team needs a lot of discipline. Also,

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they just fell in love with them throughout the night.
And again I reported yesterday on our Fox NFL Sunday
Playoffs show that he was still in Dallas. The interview
was only supposed to last the first day, but it
went so well they ended up keeping them overnight. Jay,
are there any concessions he had to make with the
current staff? Does he happen? None? So he didn't, okay,

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zero And at first the Cowboys, I think we're looking
at it like we love our offensive coaches. We'd love
to do that. But again there when they when they
talked to Mike and they all talk through it, I
think they realized, you know what, we've done this in
the past, We've tried to push certain coaches on others
we can't do this time, and they pulled off. I
do think he likes Kellen Moore. I think Kellen Moore
will be there. Mike Nolan, who's the linebacker coach for

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the Saints. Mike hired Mike Nolan ed Mike McCarthy as
his offensive coordinator. Mike Nolan was the head coach of
the forty nine ers, and I think you'll see Mike
McCarthy here return the favorite and bring Mike Nolan in
to help run that defense. Look, all the pieces are
in place, they just you know, they need some some
ball coaches who can kind of ratch it up to

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discipline there and use those pieces a little bit better.
Let me push back on this. He never in thirteen
years had a top ten rushing attempts offense. And I
do think Zeke is a wildly talented important person. I
think Jay, you and I've talked about this. Coaches have
DNA Pete Carroll's defense and pound the ball. The Shanahan

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family zone read offense. Andy Reid loves clever, loves developing
quarterbacks and wide receivers. Mike doesn't. Even when Aaron was hurt.
He's not been great at developing rushing games. He gets
out of rushing very quickly. Is that a concern. No.
One of the things he walked in there, he's like,

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he hasn't really had a guy like Zeke Elliott before.
So you know, Mike, look when you were Brett Farve,
we have Joe Montana, Brett fav and Aaron Rodgers your quarterbacks.
You're gonna kind of go pass appy. But he's never
really had a guy like Zeke. So I know that's
one of the things that they don't discussed. Also, he's
he loves death the excited to work with Dak, but

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he hasn't had a Zeke Elliott type guy. No, they're
gonna they're gonna feed him like crazy. Okay, I don't
mean to get greedy and you break all the stories.
But since you broke this one, let me ask you
about two other ones. Uh. McCarthy was obviously the apple
of Cleveland's eye, and I think he would have been
a perfect fit for Cleveland. Okay, So now Browns is there,
an then the Giants were actually more we're gonna make

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strong pushed in Cleveland. I think Cleveland. Yeah, and he
went in there and they talked about head coaching. Cannet's
also about the Giants. Even called back to get a
second interview with Mike and obviously he couldn't do that. Okay,
So do you have any I give me your gut
feeling on the Giants, which I think, by the way,
is an excellent job. I think Daniel Jones on a

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rookie quarterback deal for three years. I think they have
some nice pieces. They have two great defensive lineman under
twenty five dexter Lawrence Leonard Williams. Giants in your where
are they going? So? All along? I think they've wanted
Matt Rule and Matt Rules kind of dreamed about going
to the Giants. Matt Rulert he's making you know, eighty

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million over ten years or something, you know, ridiculous like that,
and good for him, by the way, So it's gonna
take an awful lot to get Matt Rule up there.
Matt Rule was there for a year, and I think
they're giants usually comfortable with somebody who they've already known.
But they're in a different situation also than Brown's Browns.
When you go in an interview, they have a list

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about ten general managers that they could hire with the
head coach with the Giants, that's not the case. It's
Dave Gentleman, and Dave Gentleman's got to kind of come
up with the time. So you gotta have a head
coach who's saying, Okay, this guy needs to come up
with times with. I mean, Dave Getman is a very
old school guy that needs to kind of get a
little bit more newsful. All right, Jake Glaizer, great stuff.

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Broke the story on Mike McCarthy. He's the new coach
to the Dallas Cowboys. We'll get ready for that. Jay,
thank you so much for stopping by, absolutely, thank you, brother.
All right, so that's good stuff. So um yeah, I
mean I feel there's some settling in sameness to the
higher but we'll see how it plays out. More on
that coming up also top of next hour. Colin right,

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Colin wrong. Trent Dilford thoughts on what what does McCarthy
actually do if you go back and look at his offenses,
what does he do that would work for the Cowboys
Because I always saw a guy that really leans on
the quarterback and is not super creative and progressive offensively
like an Andy reader Sean Payton. Here's joy with the news. No,
no turn on the news. This is the herd Line news.

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Well to It's Hunkavaloa has finally made his decision about
the twenty twenty season. Here was his announcement and without
further ado, with lots of prayers, thoughts, and guidance, I
have decided that I will be declaring and entering the
twenty twenty NFL draft. My three years at the University
of Alabama have been the epitome of a roller coaster.

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I've had a fair share of ups, of many ups,
and a handful of downs, and I couldn't be happier
to know that with all the success and failures I've
had here at the university, it has prepared me for
life in general. So he's going to the NFL. That's
the right call. That is the right call. I don't
know if this was I mean, I think he was
genuinely thinking about it. I don't want to say I

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don't know if it was dramatics, but it just there
was nothing but risk involved with him going back to Alabama.
There's no way I want him getting hit again by
Georgia Auburn LSU in Florida. Why that this is the
most physical conference by a mile in college football. Well,
there's just no There's no upside to the money, there's
no upside to the physical beating that you're going to

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take going act to college for another year, and it's
not going to change really where you're gonna go in
the drafts, because, as we've discussed them many times, there's
a lot of teams that need quarterbacks. There's a lot
of teams in the first within the first time picks,
four in the first seven picks. I could argue the
order now is the Bengals, Redskins, Lions, Giants, Dolphins picking
top five, then the Chargers, Panthers, Cardinals, Jags, and Browns. Basically,

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the way I look at it, there's six teams that
most likely will do well and at least at the
very much need a quarterback. And four of them absolutely Cincinnati, Yes, Miami, Chargers, Carolina.
Those four, I mean the rushed them. We can argue,
I mean, Matt Stafford before we got hurt, was pretty good.
But I mean there's four of them that are getting them,
and two is, in my opinion, two is the most

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naturally gifted of all of them. And because of the
movement that's going to happen with a lot of the
veteran quarterbacks like Philip Rivers, possibly Teddy Bridgewater, like, there
are some possibly Cam Newton, like there are some veteran
quarterbacks out there that maybe Tom Brady that can be
mobile this year more than than ever. Eli meanning Also
if he doesn't retire, they could take tuh and sign

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a veteran one of these teams could take to a
sign a veteran quarterback until two is one hundred percent
to an Alex Smith kind of situation or or more
you know, two years. Who knows he's going to go
to a great situation. More than likely it's it's it's
it's going to end up being a blessing in disguise
for him because medical will probably scare Cincinnati away from him,
and that's good for Tuah. Well, you know, I don't

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think that's I don't necessarily think Cincinnati is in a
position to to take to it because I don't know
that two is going to I mean, I'm not a doctor, obviously,
but we're assuming that he's not going to be a
one hundred percent come season start because he's not going
to be able to be one hundred percent for his
medical He's not going to be fully recovered recovered from
rehab by the time the medicals come through anyway, So
good decision by tah I'm excited to see where he

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goes and uh and you know what, teams take him
and develop him. So Kirk Cousins been criticized for not
stepping up in big games during his career, but he
had a great performance in the overtime win against the
Saints on Sunday, And it's asked, if it's finally ended
the narrative, then he can't win in big spots. Cousins
spread the level round of the rest of his team.
I appreciate a question, but you know, I'm just thrilled

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we won a playoff game. You know, I just give
my part. We won the game today because we played
great defense. We gotta turnover, we had good special teams,
we had great play calling, we had a great plan,
we protected, we ran the football. We probably had thirty
five forty rushing attempts. There's a whole lot of reasons

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we won the game. There's a quarterback player role in that, yes,
but it was it was a team win. He didn't
you know. I did an event with him once. He's
a great kid and he by the way, again, when
we credicize Kirk, it's because Minnesota's roster is loaded and
he's disappointed us so many times in big spots where
it's looked like optically he's nervous. So it's not like

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we're all being critical of him to be jerks. None
of this is ever personal. It's I don't even like
saying he's a guy or he's a bad gay, because
it's like that's not that's not playing a role in
this unless your bad guyness is literally obviously the problem.
But I think nobody's talking about him personally. Of course,
it's because he's not been clutched when he needed to be,
and he gets he had a crazy contract that he

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needed to live up to. But I feel good for him.
This is a great win for them. Yeah, I certainly
didn't give them a chance to yeah Orleans and beat
the Saints the way that Drew Brees and that offense
was playing, and that's a huge disappointment for the Saints.
They did. The offense did not deliver yesterday. Listen, they're
defense that everything they could all year on this show,
we've been saying I think Minnesota's got the best roster

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in the league. We I said that last year about
the Chargers and then and they won a playoff game.
Remember then they went to New England got smoked. And
I feel the same way is that I think Minnesota's
got the best roster in the NFL. They went a
playoff game, They're gonna go to San Francisco and get smoked.
That's how I feel this morning. Well, yeah, he's on
paper that they should be one of them. They go

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like they are so they are great, like they deserve
credit for what happened yesterday. Dalvin Cook was incredible and
Kirk Cousins got his big win. And to me, once
you get that big win, you can stop with the whole.
Like he can't win in big spots. It's just there's
there's other factors to it. But you know, he's always
he's always classy. Finally, the Texans were down sixteen nothing
in the third quarter against the Bill Saturday for de
Shaun Watson led his team back to force overtime. It

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was one unbelievable move by Watson, spinning out of what
looked like for a for sure sack and set up
the game winning field goal. After the game, he was
asked how he made that play to keep his team alive.
It's doing dar right now and all that work I've
been putting in, and obviously I just had him make
a play. And I told the guys before the game,
I said, as a card in there, and then Lockra said,

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let's be great today, so somebody had to be great.
Well what that was? I think that was the best
game of the weekend. It was so fun to watch,
and I honestly watching it, I was like, what is
happening right now? Like, how are they down sixteen? Nothing?
This is they? It was looking blich. It was your
classic Houston Texans game. The offensive line let him down,

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the coaching's crazy, they don't play very well. You wake
up and then Deshaun Watson makes a flag football play
and they win, and you're like, I mean, honestly, this
every Texans game feels the same to me. Yeah, And
DeAndre Hoppins starts slow and then they make that two
huge catches later. They're They're a hard team to get
your arms around. They got they trailed at home to
Denver this year thirty five to three, like I can Houston,

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I can never get my arms around him. I know
that Bill O'Brien's not a terrible coach because he keeps
twenty the division. But they were out gained this year,
Like how do you want a division and get out gained?
Because of stuff like that just make you make a
huge play. But I do have to say Bills had
a great season, and aside from whatever happened at the
end of that game, which I don't think anybody can explain,

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I was impressed with Josh Allen, like ye for his
first for his playoff debut, I thought he was He
was very calm and first half. Yes, I mean, look
like that's the better team is going to finish how
they finished, and that's what happened with the Texans. But
I thought that the Bills, they've played well, it just
fell apart. Good stuff, Joy with the news, Well that's
the news, and thanks for stopping by more than the Cowboys,

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hiring Mike McCarthy top of the hour and coming up
with James Harrison. Sometimes we disrespect somebody so much we
don't even know we're doing it. This is Russell Wilson,
So just give me a minute. Here so all weekend
long because DK Metcalf, the rookie who dropped in the draft,
made a couple of big catches. And you don't even

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realize how disrespectful to Russell Wilson you're being. If you're
in the American media, one show puts our arms around
Russell Wilson, RS. Everybody else. Just think about this all
weekend long. This is what I heard about the Seahawks
win and DK Metcalf. Look at all those general managers
that whipped on DK Metcalf, those dumb general managers. No,

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they whiffed on him though many of those gms are elite,
and he works because he has Russell Wilson, and because
everybody works with Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson's now eight and
one on the road this year, Aaron Rodgers is five
hundred in his career on the road. Russell Wilson's won
seventeen of his twenty one last road games in the

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Eastern time zone this year on the road, thirteen TVs,
seventy percent completion, one hundred and seventy passer rating. Everybody
works with him. This is not about general managers whipping
on DK Metcalf. He dropped in the draft because he's
a bodybuilder who runs terrible routes. That's why he dropped
in the draft. But Pete Carroll and John Snyder figured

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out how everybody works with Russell. Doug Baldwin was undrafted,
became a pro bowler. Lockett was a gadget guy nobody
wanted out of Kansas State. He looks like a pro bowler.
I mean, the Patriots are dying, dying for tight end production.
They let go of Jacob Hollister. Seattle pick him up.
He works with Russell Wilson. I told you this. Will

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Disley was a defensive lineman at the University of Washington.
He moved over to tight end. He had four catches
his junior year in college. He goes to Seattle and
the Seahawks, and suddenly Will Disley is outstanding. Not really,
it's Russell Wilson. You just don't understand. He was missing

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two offensive linemen this weekend, a Pro Bowl left tackle.
He's missing three running backs. They pulled Marshawn Lynch off
the street. They got some kid from Miami, Homer who's
like a six round guy. They go to Philadelphia. Their
offensive line is getting worked by the defensive line of
the Eagles, and Russell Wilson wins and averages ten yards
of pass and is eight for fifteen on third down.

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Do you get it? This DK Metcalf stories not about him,
It's about Russell. Tom Brady can't work with anybody. I mean,
all these rookies come in. He's yelling at him, he's
screaming at him. And Russell Wilson, Will Disley, Jacob Hollister,
DK Metcalf, Doug Baldwin Lockett. These guys won't elite. They're

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either undrafted, not used, traded by somebody else for a
six round pick, and they all work. There's a common
thread with all of Seattle's receivers, tight ends, and backs.
They're all great. With Russell Wilson, he had no running
game this weekend. Seventeen carries for nineteen yards on the road.

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That was his running game a yard a carry, and
yet they win. The top GMS didn't whiff on DK Metcalf.
He runs bad routes. But the best prettiest deep paul
that's ever been thrown in this league is thrown by
Russell Wilson. I mean, the guy is just just incredible

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coming up next. James Harrison two Super Bowl rings with
the Pittsburgh Steelers. His thoughts on Mike McCarthy is the
new coach of the Dallas Cowboys. You heard a Jeff
Fisher rumor, you heard a Marvin Lewis rumor, and then
Mike McCarthy s the night. Would Jerry Jones wake up?
They give him the job? It feels a little bit

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like settling to me. James Harrison's thoughts that's coming up.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd week
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dot com. He's a fifteen year NFL guy, the all
time sack leader, two time Pro Bowler, and three two
Super Bowl rings as well. James Harrison on a Monday,

(29:27):
So let's start the Cowboys. Hire Mike McCarthy. He's a
veteran guy. To me, it feels a little bit like
Jason Garrett with a slightly better resume. No way, Jason Garrett,
Come on, now, do you like the way better? Do
you think McCarthy's way better? I think he's way better. Yes,
Why he's had nine playoff appearances in this thirteen years
as a head coach, how many did Jason Garrett? I

(29:50):
mean he has a Super Bowl. I know that we
lost to him. So yeah, the only thing I'm worried
about where I would have concerned with is, you know,
the ability of Jerry Jones to not trying Michael managing.
You know, um, considering that you know he is a
little stubborn. He bumped heads with Aaron Aaron, so I
think that's the only issue that may come into play.

(30:12):
But other than that, I like it. So when you
faced him in the Super Bowl, you felt they were
well prepared. It wasn't just Aaron Rodgers. No, it wasn't
just Aaron Rodgers. Uh. You know, the defense made some places.
You know, defense played well. Um, you know, the offense
of course did what was necessary to win the game.
But the big thing for us is like, you know,
we had a we had to pick six that uh
you know they got went to the house obviously that

(30:34):
lordship chances and we had a turnover, a fumble, a
turnover that you know where we were going into our
own Uh. So you think he's strong enough to butt
heads with Jerry. I believe that from what I've seen
of him, I believe that, Yeah, it's not it's I
don't I don't think he'll just sit there and let him,

(30:57):
you know, do and say whatever it is that he
wants to do. I think it may have come to
an understanding that it's, you know what, maybe Jerry said, Hey,
I'm gonna back off. I'm gonna let you do what
it is you do. As long as everything is running great,
then there's no issues and everything will work out fine.
But I think if you get to a point to where,
you know, the their midway through the season and it's

(31:19):
not going the way that he wants to go, Jerry's
going to be Jerry, and I think that may cause
some conflict. Yeah, it's interesting. You Mike Tomlin's a veteran coach.
He's a mid fifty year old guy, fifty six year
old coach. You know, people generally don't change once they
got a little money and a Super Bowl. Coaches are
what they are. Mike Tomlin similarly, he is what he is.

(31:40):
I was hoping for a little more progressive thinker, a
little more analytics, a little more progressive. Do you think
he can tweak his coaching style? I don't think it's
so much about tweaking your coaching style. I think it's
about coaching to the ability of the players you have.
He has to go in there and see the ability
of the players he has and coach to whatever it

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is that they're doing better and stay away from what
it is that they're not doing great at and right now,
Jerry Jones feels as if he has a caliber team
that can go to the super Bowl. So in his mind,
I have a coach that's proven, that has done it,
that has went and done it. All I need him
to do is do what he did there and bring
it here. I want to talk You played briefly for

(32:22):
New England. You know I said to start the show,
everybody tells me Brady's leaving, and everybody tells me Josh
McDaniel's leaving. And my takeaway is, if Belichick is forced
to bring back forty three year old Tom Brady with
Lamar Mahomes, Watson Wilson, he can see all these young
quarterbacks that can move around his can't. How do we
know Belichick wouldn't go Do you believe Kraft would force

(32:47):
Belichick again to sign Brady even if he didn't because
I don't. Belichick is proactive, not reactive. He's usually ahead
of the curve. I mean, James, you look around the league.
I love Brady, but you look around the league. All
these guys are may can play, is Tom doesn't. Well,
this is the thing Tom has, what maybe a year
or two left, you know, let's say a year, okay,

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And this is the thing, the relationship that he has
with Craft. If Tom wants to be there, he's going
to be there because of that relationship. You've seen it.
Oh yeah, I've seen it up close. I've seen it
personally that that's that's no if answer butts about it,
He's going to be there. And if that causes conflict

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with Bill, it's not like Bill can't go anywhere else.
You know, Bill can get a lot more time out
of his job of coaching than Tom's going to get
out of plane. So I think it's a greater opportunity
for Bill than it is for Tom. You think I
think Belichick would leave Josh McDaniels there, Listen, what if

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what if Brady's like, I want to play one one
more year after to you, Kraft says, no, I'm not
getting rid of him. If they've got Josh. If Belichick
says I'm out, and I think Bill would leave, they
have Josh McDaniels, he'd get the job. You say that,
but I don't see Bill leaving. I just don't see

(34:13):
Bill leaving if that happens. I think they all have
a good situation there. They just need to do some
things a little different. I think they need to get
their air apparent. That's going to be the person to
take over for time. They need to get that person
this year, wherever that may be. Rather send a draft,
free agency, whatever it may be. But I don't see
you breaking up the band just yet. Okay, fair enough,

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all right. So Kirk Cousins had their reputation. He did
not play well in big games. That's statistics, it's not
just opinion. Yesterday he made two huge throws. Has it
changed your opinion on him? No, that that happened one time.
He had no pressure on him. He wasn't expected to
win the game. Hell, he probably didn't even expect to
win the game. You see how excited he was after

(34:54):
the game, Like I'm dead serious, like somebody that expects
to win. You're not that excited. You'd have thought that
he won the Super Bowl, or where he reacted after that.
Like my dad says, the sun shines on every dog's
ass once in a while. That was the day that
it just shined on him. I want you to go
out there and do it consistently year in, year out,
game in and game out, and then I'll jump on

(35:15):
the bandwagon. But until I see that you went out there,
you got lucky. Let me see what to do from
here on out. Even if he was to possibly figure
out some way to beat San Francisco, I still wouldn't
be impressed because there's only two times in how many
If I keep betting on the same team over and over,
at some point in time, I'm going to win. I
felt Minnesota was the better team yesterday to New Orleans. Also,

(35:38):
New Orleans had a couple of injuries that didn't help him, right,
That's what I felt. I just felt. I think the
defense play played extremely well. They did what they did,
what they had to do to get Breeze off of
his spot. And yes, that's what you that's what you get.
You know, he's not a very tall quarterback, so once
you start clogging up those windows making any move, then
you get what you get. So Mike McCarthy, you know,

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the AFC, Northwell Steelers, Ravens, Browns, Bengals. Mike McCarthy was
perceived to be the grown up that would solve Cleveland's mess.
He's out of that now. The people interviewing for the
Brown's job appear to be first time head coaches that
never works there, college guys who really don't appear to

(36:22):
want the job. Urban Matt Rule said no thanks, Lincoln
Riley's not taking Cleveland over Oklahoma. What do you think
McCarthy going to the Cowboys? What does it mean for
Baker Mayfield and Cleveland going forward? To be honest with you,
I don't. I don't think it means anything because he's
not there. It just means, I believe you're going to

(36:44):
have a little bit longer time or more dysfunction in
Cleveland with whoever it is that ends up getting that job.
I mean, they're firing coaches, you know, faster than minutes
go by on the clock, you know, in and out.
So to actually get a coach there that is gonna
be able to change everything that is wrong there, he's

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gonna have to be there for a while. That means
they're going to have to give a coach a long
term contract five years, yeah, right, with with a with
a lot of money guarantee. That way they can't cut ties.
They have to stick with him. I mean something like
Gruden got in Ah or Kyle Shanahan and San Francisco
got a six year deal. So it's like we're in
San Francisco, had run through Tom Sula, Chip Kelly, and

(37:31):
then Kyle Shanahan said, Okay, I'll come there, but I
got options. I want six years. And by the way,
Kyle Shanahan lost a bunch of games when Garoppolo got hurt.
And now, so I think to your point, they have
to really overpay for somebody and give him like Kevin Stefanski,
we're giving you six years, and we're all in because

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I don't think this is an attractive job at all
if you get a four year deal, no question, I'm
with you. They're they're gonna have to overpay probably for
somebody that is average at best right now, and end
up giving them the time they need to try and
turn it around. And like you said, you know, five
six years something like that and a lot of money,

(38:12):
because that's the only way they're going to have to
stick with this person to keep it going. By the
way Brady and Breeze are out of the playoffs, one's
gonna be forty three, one's gonna be I think forty one.
Do you have you know, I mean, as a veteran
player you played with Tom, does it feel like for
both the end is really close? Could you see either

(38:34):
retiring this year? No? Okay, so you see them both back? Yeah?
All right, Yeah, yeah, I see them both backree didn't
I see? I see, like I said, somewhere in the
next year or two, I see both of them being
being done. And you know, over over the game, and

(38:54):
to be honest with you, you know, sitting back and
looking at tom situation and him being a free agent
and you know him, you know, looking over and mister
Kraft actually giving him, you know, not trying to put
a contract on him, and giving him the option to
sit back and see what it is that he really
wants to do. Now I think about it, maybe a

(39:16):
possibility of him him retiring, But for me personally, I
don't know if I would want my last throw to
be a pick six that's interesting at home. Yeah, I
don't know if I would want my last throw to
be that. So, yeah, he got kids that are getting older.
You know, he's been playing the whole time they've been there,

(39:37):
So I think it's something that you got to add
into the equation. Yeah, James Harrison, great stuff calling right,
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(39:57):
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the Dallas Cowboys, is the breaking news. Joey Taylor had
the t a story. He is going to the NFL.
Not Alabama. They're losing their receiving corps, their best running
back to their best offensive lineman. Alabama doesn't quite feel

(40:22):
next year like they're going to be nearly as good
as Clemson. It feels like that that they're still great.
They'll crush USC and they're opener. But two's gonna go pro,
which we think is the right move. And Mike McCarthy's
the new coach of the Dallas Cowboys. So let's without joy,
without further ado. We make a lot of predictions on
the show. We've got you know, you've got to have predictions.

(40:44):
You got to tell people what you think. Sometimes I
get them right, sometimes I get them wrong. So on Mondays,
it's Colin right, Colin wrong, and here we go where
Colin was right. Deshaun Watson once again saves the Texans,
sacked seven times twentieth twenty five with an offensive line
that bailed on him in one hundred twenty one quarterback rating.

(41:05):
The offensive line wasn't there for him. Once again. Bill
O'Brien's game plan was awful in the first half, but
he makes the play of the year from a quarterback perspective,
keeps him alive. I said this when he got drafted
below Mitch Roubisky. I don't think he's a beautiful natural
thrower of the football like Mahomes or Wins. I don't,

(41:27):
but I don't understand what everybody doesn't see. In the
biggest games against Alabama, he was money in some of
his biggest games. He really is overcome what appears to
be an organization in Houston which doesn't practice at times.
Why are they so bad in the first half. It's
just he's it always feels like he's playing from behind

(41:51):
and not like three, nothing like sixteen, nothing, but he
does it again where Colin was raw. One of the
reasons the NFL so home mesmerizing. I went over four.
I like Philadelphia, I I like Buffalo, I like the Patriots,
and I like the Saints. That was wrong on all
of them. Thank god I didn't bet them. This is
why the NFL is mesmerizing. You always kind of feel

(42:13):
like you know who the better team is in a
lot of other sports. But this is not the nbair hockey,
where it's a seven game series. You have a good half,
you can walk into the Superdome and pick off an
upset over New Orleans. Where Colin was right. How did
the Eagles look once Carson Wentz got hurt? Oh that's funny.
Not very good on third down. And Josh McCown by

(42:33):
the ways, the legit backup. He's a big boy athlete,
he really is, and he's a smart guy. I thought
this was a cheap shot by Clowney. I thought it
should have been a penalty. I thought in college you
get ejected for that, So don't blame Carson Wentz. You know,
I don't want to hear about that. He gets hurt,
that's just a that was a cheap shot and it
should have been a penalty, and he should have been
you know, that's the kind of stuff in college. You're

(42:54):
out of the game. But what did this team do
when Carson Wentz got hurt? He carried him four straight
games over four hundred yards. The minute he got hurt,
they couldn't make a play, and that game was there
for the take in. Seattle's running game was non to script,
and Seattle's offensive line was missing two really good starters.

(43:15):
But whence, for the record, got this team to the
playoffs and Nick Foles didn't win a game a game
this year where Colin was row Cowboys hired Mike McCarthy.
That's not who I would have hired. I thought their
whole search was confounding Jeff Fisher, rumors, Marvin Lewis, Mike McCarthy.

(43:39):
Isn't this whole thing about elevating dak Isn't that why
why the Packers moved to Matt Lafleur, And I mean,
it wasn't that why Sean McVay got hired by the
Rams to say that Jared Goff signing. Like, to me,
the whole situation here is you gotta you're gonna pay
Dak thirty five million. It's a quarterback league. I also

(44:00):
don't think he's ever developed running games. In thirteen years,
he's never had a top ten rushing attempt offense. I
think he's an odd fit. I don't think he's a
bad coach, but I mean that he didn't even interview
Ron Rivera. He got to a Super Bowl too. Ron
Rivera likes running games and is a great defensive coach.
What do the Cowboys need to be more focused on

(44:21):
running the football and to coach up their defense? Ron
Rivera didn't even get an interview. He got hired in
your own division, like they're just it's a confounding move
to me, where Colin was right? John Dorsey, Cleveland Brown
general manager fired. We said it would never last. You
all worshiped him in Cleveland. Oh my god, he's got
a great eye for personnel. Okay, that's like one part

(44:43):
of the job. You also have to be able to
hire coaches and be conciliatory and get along with people
and make sure you're scouting department works with your coaching staff.
You know, he hired Freddie Kitchens because he could control him.
He got very controlling in Kansas City, and they moved
from him. We all year long, we kept saying, it's

(45:04):
easy to blame Kitchens, and it's easy to blame Baker Mayfield.
But the guy who's made the hire with both Baker
was a reach and so was Freddie was John Dorsey.
He's not a bad guy, but this was Cleveland fanboys,
the media us just brilliant. And I'm like, I kept
saying over and over his personality with this ownership is

(45:28):
not gonna last. And he's gone where Colin was. Row Listen.
Kirk Cousins is still only seven and thirty in games
against teams that have winning records by the end of
the year, but he made two huge plays. The throw
to Adam Feeling unbelievable, very good late, very good in overtime.

(45:50):
The Feeling throws probably the throw of his career. I mean,
that's a pillow right there. And then Kyle Rudolph in
the corner. I mean, this is a perfect throw that's
not pass inters. By the way, it's called trying to
get a rebound in the NBA, you could call foul
on it every time. I've been Harshawn Kirk Cousins and
he shrinks in big spots. But you know what, against Dallas,

(46:11):
big National TV gaming was good, and he was good here,
and he was good in overtime against Breeze in the Supernome.
That's about his biggest spot as you can have as
a visiting quarterback in the NFL, and he deserves credit
where Colin was right. We've been preaching us all year.
Mobility as a quarterback is not an either or you

(46:32):
gotta have it. College football's gone into the spread, so
you're not getting road greater offensive lineman and the offensive
line due to the new CBA OH lines in the NFL,
there's never been more lousy ones. You saw this weekend.
Josh Allen led his team in rushing. Russell Wilson led
US team in rushing, Taysoon Hill led US team in rushing,
Deshaun Watson led US team in rushing. What are the

(46:52):
Seahawks to be honest without Russell Wilson's mobility? I mean,
what is the offense? This is the new NFL and
the bottom level running is Daniel Jones with the Giants.
You've got to be able to move offensive line plays deteriorating.
You know, you don't have to be as good a
runner as Lamar or even Josh Allen, but the old
pocket guy, it's a liability unless you have a great

(47:15):
young offensive line like the Colts, you under contract for years.
You got to find a guy who can move where
Colin was row. I always thought JJ Watt was a
nice guy and a good player, but I never really
bought into his effect. I would never play him twenty
million dollars many of his great games as a pro.
The Texans lost, but I thought he was huge in
this game. I thought he had a huge sack in

(47:38):
the second half that created momentum. I also thought he
had a ball that he kind of batted down there
and forced Josh Allen and the Bills into a rushing
punting situation. I thought jj Watt really and it's kind
of remarkably played when you hear his injuries, the fact
that this guy got out there and played tip of
the cat. But I thought he played a huge role

(47:59):
in this game. This is a very inconsistent Texans defense,
and it's not a very good secondary at times. But
JJ Watt his presence. You know, we use that word
a lot on the show. You got to have a
presence as a coach. He also had a presence in
that football game, and I've never given him kind of
the credit for that in big games where Colin was right.

(48:20):
Kyrie Irving surgery, Folks, If you take out the three
Lebron years, he's a bust. The Boston Celtics are now
a number two seed without him, and the Nets have
a better winning record when he doesn't play. Before Lebron,
he was a head case who couldn't get along with

(48:41):
anybody or stay healthy. And after Lebron he's a head
case who can't stay healthy and get along with anybody.
And ka d chose this instead of Steph Curry, the
most stable, genuine, authentic guy in the league. Kyrie Irving.
They've already got doubts in Brooklyn. He has missed twenty
three or thirty four games. He is brittle. He's obviously

(49:01):
a gifted offensive player, but you gotta play with people,
you know. I mean, that's the I mean it's like
Oklahoma City. In Westbrook he left, they got all these
kids Oklahoma City. He's got the same basic record. I've
never bought into Kyrie Irving. I think he's a talent,
I don't think he makes teammates better. I think he's
hard to coach, and I think he's a little bit
of a headcase in the bust where Colin was right.

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We always say, don't overreact to September football. Defenses will
win the day. Did you notice this weekend no team
scored more than twenty points in regulation that if you
look at the wild card round, more than a touchdown
off the board twenty five yards, passer ratings go down.

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You gotta have defenses. That's why Seattle and Minnesota are
playing in the next round. It's J J. Watt. The
defense finally arrived for Houston and they won the game.
Think about this Minnesota shut down the Saints New England.
Tennessee had three and a half hours of arm wrestling.
Texans didn't score until the third quarter. Seattle couldn't score forever.

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They all win. September's fun, the weather's perfect. You're experimenting.
Get to December. In January running games and defense. This
is why the league keeps tweaking the rules to help
the offense, because at the end of every football season.
Who's left Baltimore's defense, Kansas City's defense has gotten better,

(50:26):
San Francisco, Minnesota, Seattle, and an upgraded Green Bay defense.
That's who's left. Colin right, Colin wrong? You know it
is I was thinking trend Dilfer's around the corner. It's
it's really interesting. We talk about Brady and his age,
and you know he's gonna be like forty three. I

(50:46):
mean it's it's I love him, but we all have.
You know, if when I'm seventy three, they're yanking me
off the air here, But likability matters. I think it's
easy not to like Brady Deflate Gate, He's won so much.
Giselle the supermodel wife. You know, there's the Evil Empire,
the Darth Vader of the Patriots, right, the owner's been
in trouble, the coach that I get it. Meanwhile, Drew

(51:10):
Brees is the most likable guy in the world. He
could have bolted after Katrina. He kind of saved the franchise.
The Saints were a losing team. Nobody has seen more
heartbreak than the Saint so Breese is an incredibly likable figure.
But I just want to remind you of something if
Tom Brady would have missed five games this year and
the Patriots went five and OZ, you'd be reminding me

(51:33):
every fifteen minutes. Drew Breese missed five games, they went
five and oh without him. If there was a quarterback
behind Brady named Tayson Hill who came into the game
and actually added juice to the offense, I'd be getting
tweets all day long. There was a quarterback named Tayson
Hill that played for the Saint chesterday and clearly added
juice to the offense when he was in And I

(51:55):
don't get a tweet. Brady's not as likable because of
his dominance and flake Gate and Spygate and the Evil
Empire and all their dominance and winning and New Orleans
and Breeze are infinitely likable, and I love both, and
Drew is exceptional. But let's be fair about this. If
Tom Brady and Jared Cook, Michael Thomas, Alvin Kamara, Sean

(52:17):
Payton and that offensive line, you think they'd struggle to
move the ball yesterday. I don't, And I love Breeze,
and I'm not criticized, and I'm saying we need to
be fair. All I ever hear about is Brady's age. Okay,
Breeze is eighteen months younger, and yesterday he didn't look

(52:37):
real dynamic. And by the way, last year at this
time when he didn't get five games off with an injury,
he looked tired last year, and Jared Goff beat him
at home, and now Kirk Cousins beat him at home.
So I'm just saying, let's be fair about this. I
still think Breeze is terrific, but third down, they were awful.
Time of possession, they got worked yards per pass. Kirk

(52:58):
was better, and it's not like it didn't have weapons.
He's got the smartest offensive coach, he's got a good
old line, he's got to start back, he's got a
great tight eddy, he's got a great receiver. Let's just
be fair about this. If Brady missed five games in
New England went five and ah, you would be whacking
Brady forever. New Orleans didn't really statistically miss much of

(53:19):
a beat. When Teddy Bridgewater stepped in. I don't see
all you sign it up for Teddy Bridgewater and your
fantasy teams, So don't tell me you love Teddy Bridgewater.
That's all I'm saying. Fair, Just be fair about it,
all right, Trent Dilfer's around the Corner. More on Mike
McCarthy taking over. I've said about Mike McCarthy, he never

(53:42):
developed and I liked him, but he never developed great
running games in thirteen years. And people say, well he
has great quarterbacks. Okay, okay, But Troy Aikman's a great
quarterback and his coach, Jimmy Johnson developed a running games.
Let's not say just because your quarterback's great. All quarterbacks
benefit from running games. Brett Farr benefited, Peyton Manning. There's

(54:05):
a lot of great quarterbacks that played in this league
and their coaches also. John Elway was a great quarterback.
Mike Shannon developed a running game for him. Slow down
on you know. I mean Dan Marino had some interesting
running games. Okay, let's let's slow down. McCarthy never did that.
Is that a concern? I think it's something that's on
my radar. Trent Dopher will join me next to talk

(54:27):
about that. Coming up on the Cowboys New head Coach.
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the Seahawks into Lambo for showdown against Aaron Rodgers and
the Packers in the NFC Divisional Rounds. It all starts

(54:48):
at six Eastern on Fox and the Fox Sports app.
They have a little competition behind the scenes. Nobody knows
about Green Bay's favored by four foxbat four. Seattle getting
four green A mine is for that's gonna be fantastic.
Seattle's a great, not a good A lot of it's
a it's Seattle's a great road team. We're also on

(55:10):
the road. You have to make the play. Kirk Cousins
yesterday made the play. Packers are a great home team.
I like the points with Seattle there. Yeah, I would
save that for That's a just just gonna be incredible.
Lambo games are so much fun anyway in the playoffs,
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(55:31):
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all Right, I kind of feel Mike McCarthy, I got
questions he doesn't develop great running games. They have Zeke
He kind you know, Jerry Jones always says, whenever I
go safe, I'm disappointed. It feels kind of safe to me.
I liked Ron Rivera, who would elevate this defense and
does running games. Well, what do you make of the

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Mike McCarthy higher. I think it's safe. I think you
nailed it. It's a very safe season. In wise head
coaching hire, my concerns are similar to yours. It's the
running development of a modern day running game, which is
very unique. It's changed a lot with the Saturday influences,

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but they have spent this year as a staff kind
of studying trends and doing analytics and doing a lot
of deep dives into new schemes. So I'm sure they'll
be caught to speed there. But the one that nobody's
talking about is who is he gonna hires his defensive coordinator?
And this is the key to Mike McCarthy's success in Dallas,
because if you look at the Cowboys defensive roster, it's young,

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it's athletic, but it's a little light in the shorts,
and it's very scheme specific to Chris Shashard and Rod
Marinelli's scheme. They are one gap penetrating defense with certain
coverage profiles behind it. They're not plug in play with
any defensive system. So this defensive hire has to be
somebody that could maximize this talent that's on the defensive

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side of the ball existing for the Dallas Cowboys. If
they mess this one up, if they hire a two
gap guy, if they hire somebody that doesn't his system,
his philosophy doesn't fit the personnel they have, this can
be a disaster. By the way, it's not good news
for Baker Mayfield because I think what McCarthy brought to

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Cleveland maturity and stability. Dallas doesn't need that. Dak's plenty
mature and stable. I don't worry about maturity there in Cleveland.
This is a young, outspoken, verbal roster in Joku, Jarvis, Landry, Baker.
They've all got opinions. What do you do with Baker? Now?
What's up with this? This Mike McCarthy moved to Dallas

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doesn't help him any well, it helps them if they're
wise and they get Jason Garrett in the door today.
Think about how Dak developed that wisdom, that discernment, that
maturity beyond his years. Think about Zeke Elliott, who had
some baggage coming in has become a season pro. I mean,
Jason Garrett takes a lot of heat for what happened

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to the Cowboys, and it is probably time for that
separation to happen. But Jason Garrett's a heck of a
football coach and he's a heck of a team builder,
and that's what Cleveland needs. They need that wise, stable,
team building man to come in and run that organization.
I think Jason Garrett is a plug in play head
coaching hiring Cleveland if he wants to take on that

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type of challenge, because that will be a massive challenge.
I have not butt into the Vikings all year. I
love their roster, but I think there's limitations in a ceiling.
I was shot Kirk Cousins, I thought made the throw
of his life. You were more into the Vikings. You've
seen something. Can they win in San Francisco? What did

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you make of the win in the Superdome? They can?
You know? I don't want it to be Listen, I
agree with you. I don't think their ceiling is massively high.
I believe in how they've built the team for this time,
this time of year. There is I remember Tom Jackson
saying it for years on Prime Time. You know the
teams that are built the right way for playoff football.

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And it changed a little bit with the modern day
quarterback and the spread offenses and the rule changes, but
still you have to have a certain profile to go
on the road in the playoffs and win. And that's
what zimmer has always built there. And you could see
it early in the season. They play really good defense.
It's not elite, but it's really good. But what they

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do is they cut the head off the snake defensively,
they always take away what you do best, especially its
quarterback play. He's one of the hardest guys to play
against as a quarterback. He just he makes you eat
your soup left handed. It's just very, very difficult to do.
The other thing they do is they run the ball
and they run action. That's what travels well. You're not

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drop back passing, reading boundary to boundary. The entire playoffs.
A lot of its run, run action, turn your back,
get chunk throws. That's how they've built this offense. So
I just like how they're built. I like that they
over they exercise some of their demons this season, and
I did I was not surprised by the one in

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New Orleans, nor would I be surprised if they can
go to San Francisco and do a similar thing, even
though I think the forty nine ers have a much
higher seeling and are probably a better football team overall.
Let's let's talk about New England, because I remember you
telling me one time when you retired, you you said,
you know, you just got tired of waking up on
Monday and stuff hurt, you know, And you can deal

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with that if you've got a good offensive line. And
but you start looking at Brady and McDaniels could leave.
The young receivers haven't worked, they haven't addressed the tight end,
They've got several offensive needs. You can't solve them all
in a draft because nobody's given up their good offensive
lineman in this league anymore. They're keeping them and resigning them.

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Give me your gut feeling on this this Mcjosh, McDaniels, Brady,
even Belicheck. What happens in the next several months. I've
been wrestling with this one. Colin. I think I'm too
emotionally attached to have a good opinion, because I will
be devastated if it's not Tom Brady and the Patriots together, Like,

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it just doesn't work for my brain to see Tom
Brady play somewhere else, to see this thing break up. Now,
the realist in me says, if Tom Brady stays in
New England, that it's the two of them Bill, well,
three of them, Bill Craft and Tom sit in the
room and say, okay, let's take one final ride together.

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Because if Bill wants to do this for another ten years,
I could see why you would move on without Tom
Brady and get the next guy and go young and
redo this thing. If he only has a couple more
years in him, then why not why not ride into
the sunset with your guy Tom Brady. That's how I
hope it unfolds. I know that's not great analysis, and

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that's why I prefaced it with I think I'm too
emotionally attached. I just can't see an NFL right now
without Tom Brady and Bill Belichick being together. Whether you
love him or hate him, they are the NFL at
its essence for the last what is it, eighteen years?
I mean, it's just I can't see it any other way.
By the way, yesterday I was banging on you know,
everybody on Twitter's like, how could all these dumb gms

(01:02:19):
pass on DK Metcalf? And my takeaway is, listen, he's
a bodybuilder that runs bad routes. Those gms aren't dumb.
Russell Wilson just makes it work because he makes everything work.
Break Down. Metcalf had a game yesterday and suddenly everybody's
like he's a superstar. And I watched him and I say, no,
he just he's a freak. And Russell Wilson delivers pillows

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down the field. I mean, what do you see with him?
Percent agree with you. First of all, the evaluators are
not dumb. They had him right where he needed to be.
He's a run He's a big, strong, run, fast jump
high guy right now as part of his scrut and
he can develop and become a great route runner and
a great receiver. And I wouldn't put it past them
to do so. But what you evaluate was is a

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physical freak that was a linear speed guy that was
going to run down and win fifty fifty balls, but
not be a craftsman. But I think what you're saying
is so true that the ultimate, the ultimate gift that
the great quarterbacks have, like let's just the NFL is
doing this top one hundred thing. Let's take the ten
greatest of all time. More than their talent is their

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ability to make everybody better. That is the job of
the great quarterback is. You make the building better. You
make the lineman better, You make the receivers better, You
make the coaches better, you make the secretaries better, you
make the equipment guys better. The whole organization is better
because of your greatness and how you approach your job.

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That's what Russell Wilson does. We see it happen with
DK Metcalf yesterday, but we see it with running backs.
We see it with offensive lineman, we see it with
defensive personnel turnover, we see it with coaching staff turnover.
Like Russell Wilson has that magic huch that whatever he
touches is gonna be better, and that's the essence of
his greatness. Saint DK Metcalf is gonna be the reason

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they go to the the super Bowl. Yeah, he's a he's
a big play threat, But the best player, in my opinion,
in the entire league is Russell Wilson. Yeah, how about that?
How about that? Joy? That's my MVP. Trent Dilfer Lipscomb
Academy head football coach, got him to a couple of
playoff wins this year in Nashville, Tennessee's got install. Hey,
you kids out there in Nashville, you're hanging around. You

(01:04:28):
can play for anybody. See that little emblem right there,
that's the next New England Patriots in Nashville, Tennessee. Trent,
let's go good seeing you. Bad birthday buddy, I know
you've turned twenty nine again, congratulating. Yeah, I'm stuck on
twenty nine. If my odometer is stuck on twenty nine,
Trent dil for great stuff. Fifteen years in the NFL.
Here's joy with the news. No, no, turn on the news.

(01:04:51):
This is the herd line news. Well, as we know,
Mike McCarthy is the new head coach of the Dallas
how Boy he is, and someone who seems to be
particularly excited about that change is Dez Bryant. He tweeted,
I don't have no sympathy for coach Garrett losing his job.
The Cowboys just became real contender. Well, he actually he's

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tweeted a lot about the Cowboys over the past year,
and he said he's actually being very nice. He could
say a lot more. I remember a couple of weeks
ago he said he was responding to a tweet that
said that Jerry Jones allowed Jason Garrett to waste the
primes of a lot of players. Responded, I'm keeping it
all the way one hundred thousand right now. You knew
this very early in my career. I'm just stating facts.

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And so he's not a fan of Jason Garrett and
what he's been doing there in Dallas, But look, he
was in the locker room and he has clearly an
inside experience to what happened there. And Jerry Jones loves
Dez Bryant, as we know, that was a big factor
with Dak early in Dak's career, forcing it to Dez

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Bryant when it didn't really seem that was the right
situation for the Cowboys. And I don't know, I think
that there's there's a little something to it that maybe
Garrett didn't have the whole locker room the way he
needed to. Now, is that really Garrett's folders at Jerry Jones'
fault for taking away the power that he had there,
And is that what's going to happen with Mike McCarthy. Now,

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I don't think Mike McCarthy is anything like Jason Garrett.
First of all, Mike McCarthy is a Super Bowl winning coach,
and you can give all the credit that you want
to to Aaron Rodgers. I obviously Aaron Rodgers does deserve
a lot of that credit. He's one of the greatest
to ever play, but he doesn't play both sides of
the ball. So you do have to give credit to
the coach at one point or another when you win
a Super Bowl. As we know, Aaron Rodgers has not

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been able to get back there because they haven't had
a defense for that long. Like Mike McCarthy played a
role in that. I mean, he's been to four NFC
Championship games, won a Super Bowl. I mean, he's not
a failure just because just because a relationship deteriorated with
a superstar after a while there. That happens. So I
think this is a great hire for Dallas. I didn't

(01:07:03):
see it coming. I'm with you. I was kind of
surprised by it because it didn't seem like a fit.
But who else out there could come in with a
resume like Mike McCarthy I'm a Ron Rivera fan, but
you know, i'd like when Rivera too. But Mike McCarty
has won the Super Bowl. Yeah, I know, But I
mean I think a lot of Mike's wins he did

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have profound quarterback edges. I mean, he was in a
division for a while with you know, I mean, Chicago
couldn't get a quarterback ride Minnesota couldn't get a quarterback,
right and he had Aaron Rodgers and far Well, he
has the second best quarterback in the division right now,
you hope, So, you hope, so right now, Yeah, I

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don't know. I Haskins is not better than Dak Prescott.
Daniel Jones is not better than Dak Prescott. I hope
not if you're a Dallas fan. Because he looked really
good at the end of the year. So we'll see.
I mean, we're gonna see. I just think I think
it's I think it's better than everyone is thinking. It
just was an unexpected move, I think because no one
was really talking about it. I think it's going to
be better than people think. So the Patriots suffered a

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shocking twenty to thirteen loss the Titan Saturday. I guess
it's only shocking if you were like me, waiting to
see if it really happens. Bill Belichick was asked after
the game what he would say to the loyal fans
who have stuck by the team through the highs and
lows of this dynasty. Pat's Nation. Your fans have stuck
with you through thick and thin. They still love you.

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Do you have any message for the fans who are
so supportive of you and the team. Yeah, we appreciate
our fans. I wouldn't say it's been all that thin around.
Maybe you feel differently, but I haven't heard too many
fans say though it's mostly been thick. Yeah. I mean,
Belichick's got to keep it real there. Yeah, I don't.

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There's been no thick and thin through the dynasty. I
thought it was gonna end like this last I gotta
be honest with yet. Gronk is the only reason I
felt it didn't end like this last year, which one.
Gronk had a great Super Bowl and a great a
FC Champion and Chip game. And by great, I mean
he made huge plays late. But if you take Gronk
out of last year's team, Joyett looked a lot like this.

(01:09:08):
I'm not I mean Obviously JJ Watt had still has
some football to play, but that moment with jj Watt
in that game showed why that stuff matters. Why, of
course Gronk being there would matter. Big time players make
big time plays. Gronk is a Hall of Fame tight end.
Him not being there next year and then having nothing
close to replace him is gonna matter, like it matters

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if he's if he's out there playing well, however far
into the end of his career he is, or however
injured he was. Sometimes you only need that one big
play to change the game. I thought. I thought J. J.
Watt shifted the course of that game. Obviously Sean Watson
was huge, but that that moment mattered. So. Jadavian Clowney
landed a huge hit on Carson Wentz that knocked him
out in the first quarter. He said after the game

(01:09:52):
that he was just trying to get Wentz down. He
didn't mean to hurt him, and he hopes he was. Okay. Yeah,
that's a bad that's a really bad way to I mean,
that's again that gets you're thrown out of a college game.
That you can't do that, that's a cheap shot. I
don't know. I didn't. I don't know if look, the
outcome of these hits is really what determines whether how

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we feel about it. Like if he doesn't, if he
pops right up, we're like, yeah, okay, that's a that's
a rough hit, but it's not as bad as it looks.
But then he looked at he leads with his head.
I don't know. I just don't think Javin Clowney is
that player. I think sometimes in those moments, defenders just look.
I don't think it was a dirty play. I don't think.
I don't it didn't end well. I don't know. I
know I'm sounding like I'm making excuses for it, but

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that looks dirty to me. I just don't think he's
a dirty player. He does have history with Eagles fans, though,
because he had a big hit on Nick Foles last
year and it only took Foles out for a play.
But he said he expects very hostile reactions. He said
he might even get death threats because Eagles fans are
quote the worst fans in the world. Yes, I don't
think that, uh, Eagles fans are going to think very

(01:10:56):
highly of that. I don't think he meant to hurt him.
It could have been a dirty play, but he didn't
necessarily mean to take him out of the game. Is
that fair. Yeah, I don't think you're necessarily a dirty player,
but you could have a dirty hit. Yes, yeah, I
mean I think that. I think I think that was
a dirty hit. I just don't think that that is
like his his came. No, No, I don't. I don't
think of Jadeveon Clowney as a dirty player. But I

(01:11:17):
thought that it was a bad hit. Yeah, it was.
It just it's it's it really hurt because you wanted
to see Wentz play that game like you wanted to.
You're like, I like Josh mccamba. The second he's hurt,
You're like, I mean, it's over. But also just like
everything that Wentz has gone through, like you wanted to
see him have that moment and and you know, be
able to battle it out and you know, either way

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it goes at that point is fine, but you know
it sucks to not have him out there. Yep. Joey
Taylor with the news. Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by. The Final eight in the NFL this morning.
Seven are new from last year. I mean, the NFL
it's just the League of Hope. I mean, seriously, it's
the League of Hope. Former Cowboy and ego Orlando Scandrick

(01:12:01):
next to Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of
the Herd weekdays and noon Easter nine Empacific. All right,
Orlando Scandrick over a decade in the NFL nine with
the Cowboys, one of the Chiefs and one of the Eagles.
Let's start with Mike McCarthy. It's an interesting fit to me.
I don't think it would be the first coach that
I would have thought about. What do you make of McCarthy.
Do you think he's a good coach? I do. I

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think he's a he's a good football coach. I don't
know about the fit. Dallas is a very very unique
situation with the way that the leadership structure is. I
think McCarthy where he struggled later in his career with
Green Bay was he lacked creativity. I don't know how
much of a people's person he is. I mean, I've
always gotten along with Aaron Fine. I think Aaron's great.

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I think that the way the football, the way the
NFL is, and the way football is right now, you
need to be able to adapt to the players. Life
is about adapting indigestin. It's consistently changing social media, the
way the players viewed themselves, the way that they take
her to him, the way that they handle adversity. It's
gonna be very interesting to see his staff. I want

(01:13:05):
to see what staff he puts together. How many holdovers
there's going to be from Jason Garrett's staff, how many
hand picked Jerry guys there's going to be Because you
and it is interesting. McCarthy and Aaron they struggled. I mean,
Aaron was worn out from him, and you like Aaron.
You don't think Aaron's hard to get along with. I
think he's great. I mean, I think I think Aaron's smart.
I think he's coachable. I mean, as you see, one

(01:13:26):
year removed from Mike McCarthy, the Packers are two seed
at thirteen and three. Yeah, McCarthy, you've had enough coaches
in your career. He's mid fifties, doesn't really develop run games, Orlando,
can he can he change? I think that was Aaron's complaint,
you know, it was all on his shoulders. Yeah. I

(01:13:47):
think they were having a tough time protecting him because
people were just turning it loose and just getting after him.
Think what he's gonna be faced withood is this Cowboys
team is built up front, is built a team offensive
line composed of all first round picks that have the
highest pay running back in the league who they're also
selected in the top five of the draft. So it's

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going to be very very interesting to see what type
of team they are next season. What do you think
happens with Jason Garrett? Does he retire? I think Jason
lands on his feet. I think he's a great leader
of men. I think he's a great leader of men,
and I think that his next destination, someone's going to
get a great coach, and hopefully he takes a step

(01:14:30):
back and looks at his self in the mirror, which
I know he will, you know, and he kind of
just reflects on where he went wrong, on what he
can build on, and hopefully he has a successful team
or wherever he ends up. Where do you think he
could go unfit? He think he would be a good
fit for Cleveland. I think after everything they've been through,
I think that will provide them some stability, some simplistic

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like way to run the organization. I think he comes
at it and he approaches things day by day. I
think they went at this thing this year and tried
to attack it and say, we're super Bowl contenders. This
is what we're gonna do, instead of taking it day
by day. And I think that he possibly can be
great for Baker Mayfield as just a different perspective and
someone that comes from being a quarterback in the NFL,

(01:15:13):
being a backup in the NFL, being like on the top,
by being the coach of the Dallas Cowboys for over
ten years. I think it would just help him. You
really connected with Jason Garrett. Why do you think that is?
There's just conversations that me and j G had that
I'll never forget. There's things that he said to me
that I'll never forget. I will say that the Dallas
Cowboys as a football team are in a better position

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ten years from ten years Like, sorry, how can I
work this? They're in a better position than they worked
ten years ago before he take over, before he took
over the team. Yeah, I think they truly are. I
think he's instilled a lot of things and a lot
of people there. And as you start to see comments
from his previous players and players that he drafted. You know,
these are sides to him that none of us are,

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nobody in another world outside of the Cowboys locker room,
would ever have got into. See. Yeah, so Mike McCarthy's
the new coach. Jason Garrett was kind of a weird,
sloppy ending where he was in the building, even though
he wasn't the coach. You know, Philadelphia Eagles is your
former team. I watched Wentz get hurt and I thought,
game over, You're not as high on Wentz as I am.

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I'm not down on him, and I'm not down on Philadelphia.
I know it came off like you know, as there
was hatred, but there is no hatred. I truly was
calling it how I've seen it. I think I thought
that they just didn't they didn't have it, like you know,
they weren't as good as they were projected to be.
I think that Super Bowl does a lot for everyone.
You know, still you introduced McCarthy. He's Super Bowl winning coach.

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You'll never be able to take the Eagle super Bowl
away from him. It's great accomplishment. But I really think
that they caught lightning in the bottle. And you know,
if you look at the Belichick teams. You know, when
they win Super Bowls, they just continue to improve and
they they're really good at putting things behind them and
looking forward. I think that it's really hard to deal
with success. And then Philadelphia struggled. Um, I think they did.

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I think a lot of teams are struggled with dealing
with success. I think, you know, the Rams had a
great year last year, and I think they kind of
struggled to get back on track and to repeat it.
It's the NFL is not one of those things where
you kind of pick up where you left off. Seven
of the eight playoff teams are new this year. Yeah,
you tear down the house and you just rebuild it.
What do you make of Russell Wilson trend Dilfer just said,

(01:17:23):
he goes. I think he's the best football player in
the league. He's got intangibles that you don't show up
on paper. Did you ever face him? I did? I did.
He's just a leader. He's composed, he's poised, he has
poised under pressure, and he had a tough, tough, tough time.
You know, if you just go back. They took it
really hard, and everybody thought their dynasty was over when

(01:17:43):
he threw that interception against New England, and just what
he has done moving forward, winning, winning, winning, winning, Yeah,
and I don't that doesn't show up on paper, and
it's priceless. Three running backs out, two offensive linemen out,
and yesterday rookie wide receiver DK Metcalf for the record,
you have gone up against Kirk Cousins a few times,

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I have, and you thought he was good. I did.
I think that Like yesterday, if you watched him in
the game, he did their offense play well, their defense
play well, their special teams. He took care of the ball,
and he just made the plays that he needed to
make at the appropriate times. There are times, though, in
big games he feels like he shrinks. That's fair, is
it not. I mean, once again, you have to put

(01:18:25):
those things behind you, and you can't really live in
the past, and you gotta just move forward. My whole
thing when I played in the league was I'm gonna
learn from my mistakes and I'm gonna build on the
good things. I think Kirk is way harder on himself
than any of us is on him. It is he
stands in there and he makes it and then you
look at this one, right, here and now he trusts them.

(01:18:47):
It's either my guy or no guy. Yeah. No, I mean, listen,
this is a brutal league. It humbles you fast, it does,
and life is brutal. Life will humble you really fast.
That's why once he starts to think that you're on top,
you know, you gotta need to realize that the bottom
is not far away. Yeah. Can you ever imagine when
you look you at some point made a decision came

(01:19:08):
out like I'm I'm I wake up in the morning,
I'm sore, or I got my money, or I'm tired
of the work. But if you're Brady and you've got
all this stuff, it feels like they're a little bit
of a rebuild on offense. At I think Tom's gonna
have a very very very big decision to make. Where
does he want to go at this stage? Does he

(01:19:30):
still want to chase a Super Bowl? Does he want
to give his loyalty to the team that you know,
entrusted in him in their billion dollar organization. And I
don't really have an answer for this, And I wouldn't
be mad at him if he chose to finish his
career in LA. With the Chargers moving into it wouldn't
bother building, not at all. I wouldn't be mad at
him if he chose to go back to New England
and you know, kind of help with the next guy,

(01:19:54):
help groom the next guy, whoever that may be. It's
going to be very, very interesting to see, and I'm
gonna be watching. They've got a lot of questions. Offensively.
They got to get a tight end. They need more
depth on their offensive line. They need a special perimeter player.
This is an offense that does not have a lot
of Once again, their defense took a huge step this year,

(01:20:15):
but we can't just expect that next year they're going
to be the same team that just lines up and
dominates everybody and gets turnover. If to turnover, have to turnover. Yeah,
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person I asked you that questions New Year's resolution. I
don't know, learn more. I mean, that's not much of

(01:20:57):
a resolution. I want to travel more, but I've been
travel all over the world. I don't all you skiers
out there, I don't get you. I don't understand. That's
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his podcast. Now, I want to talk about this because
you had an amazing career, not a lot of playoff appearances,

(01:21:17):
but you talked about this yesterday on NFL Kickoff. It's
very emotional, Kirk cousins. The emotion he showed yesterday, It's
not like Brady when you when you expect to win. So,
Kirk Cousins a lot of doubters. You've been a fan
of his. Tell the audience your first playoff win, how
you reacted. Well, it was your sixteen from me, I
had played in four playoff games only in the sixteen

(01:21:41):
years previous years and I lost them all. And so
we had the first round by playing against the Seattle
Seahawks were crushing them the whole game. They come back
and take the lead with thirty one I thought we
were gonna win. We were up by twenty points at
one point and they came all the way back and
I was like, here we go again. With thirty one
seconds they kicked off the ball. We only have one
time out. We're down by two points or whatever it is,

(01:22:02):
and so basically you have to be flawless. You can't
make mistakes. We made two plays one through to me.
We run the field goal unit on there. We kick
a fifty three yarder and you don't know if you're
gonna make that. It was watching the tent, I was.
It was an emotional roller coaster. And then when that
ball went through the uprights, it was just like the floodgates.
I'd said I'd never cried after a win before. That's
the only time I've ever cried after a win. And

(01:22:24):
it was just an emotional like finally get that monkey
off my back. And that's what Kurt Cousins was feeling yesterday.
He did good in the interview right on the field
where he was very humble about it and he's like, hey,
that's just football, and you loved him for that but
when he got to the locker room, that's when it
was like, Okay, this monkey is off my back. Now,
this gorilla is off my back. Finally showed up big

(01:22:46):
in that big game. I was. I'm so happy for him, honestly,
even though I thought the Saints were gonna win. I
love Drew Brees, but Kurt Cousins couldn't. Couldn't happen to
a better guys, as far as i'm you know, it
is interesting. Only one of the top ten and passing
teams are left, five of the six best running teams
are left, and there is something to be made about

(01:23:07):
December January football. It's cold. I mean this weekend you're
going to have a game in Baltimore, in Kansas City,
in Green Bay. The Dome team is out New Orleans.
You know, it's this is different football, and that's crazy.
I remember remember last year all the offenses in the
passing and it was just unbelievable. It shows you how

(01:23:28):
good the NFL is too, and how coaches and players
will adjust and take away your strength. So that's why
the strengths will constantly evolve. This is people are gonna say, well,
it's a running game. I always told you it was
a running game. And then next year or a year
after that, once we start, you know, the coordinators will
adjust and start stopping the run, and then the passing

(01:23:49):
game will open back up again. It's all cyclical, and
you'll see it come in and out. It's like styles,
they'll they'll come and go. Yeah. I mean, if you
think last year the Rams and Chiefs were in this
fireworkshow on Monday Night football, and then they then at
the end of the year the Rams are in the
super Bowl and can't move the football against the Patriots.
This league figures you out and it's not you know

(01:24:09):
what I love about football, It's not it's one game.
So like in the NBA, you can stink it up
for the first three two games of a series and
then you go home and you clean your act up.
You have a bad possession, I mean, Drew Brees had
a bad possession in this game, and it's over. Over it.
It is the beauty of sports. So let me just

(01:24:29):
ask you, so go back to your last year. So
Brady probably has a year left. He was asked about
his retirement. But you you could have still played you
had you, like Brady had a lot of money, and
you had your health, and you had everything in your life. Yeah. Please,
And then but there was a moment driving home someday,

(01:24:52):
or there's a moment that you wake up and you
made a decision. You could have still played. I'm done.
What was it? Because I think Brady's gonna have these
little you know what if McDaniels leaves and two of
our coaches leave and the free agents leave. What was
the trigger the tipping point for you? I think it was.

(01:25:14):
I wasn't who I used to be, and I knew
it as far as an athlete on that field, what
made me great? I was close to it, but I
wasn't that guy anymore. Um. My last year, I didn't
I made the Pro Bowl. It was the first time
in my career I never made the Pro Bowl. Even
though I went to the Pro Bowl, but I didn't
make the Pro Bowl. I was an alternate. And that

(01:25:35):
was the only time ever in my career. Out of
the fourteen Pro Bowls I went to thirteen times, I
was a starter or or whatever. And that just let
me know, like I'm starting and I could feel it.
My body was taking a lot longer to recover, and
I was I was at peace with Hey, you know,
I could chase a ring here. And because it takes
so much work that goes into what we do for

(01:25:58):
a living in New York football player, it is a
tremendou this amount of works. I remember talking to you
when I went to lunch with you, and I said, yeah,
I go work out every day and You're like, oh,
I'm so glad and never left weight. Never. People ask
me all the time, they're like, do you still live?
I haven't touched Oh wait since I left the NFL.
I'm talking like an hour and a half. Because you

(01:26:18):
lost fifteen pounds the minute you left the sport gone
because it was all like the muscle. And that's what
it is, like what Tom does his routine. I'm sure
it's not. You have to be at forty two years old.
You have to do so much extra to get to
the same place that you were when you were thirty
four years old or twenty two years old. It's just
not the same thing. This is why, in my mind,
I don't understand why Tom wants to keep playing. But

(01:26:40):
if he still has that burning desire to prove something,
I mean, look at the video before the game. He
is really in the video with the tiger and jackals
and the hyenas and all this stuff. I think he's
just he's just has this insatiable appetite. And I hope
he can come to peace with that eventually by the
time his career is over, because that's tough. That's where
players run in the trouble after you get done playing. Well.

(01:27:02):
What you said is you didn't feel you were living
up to your standard. Yeah, and I don't want to be.
I don't want to be. I told you how, I've
told this before. How Jerry Rice. I was talking to
him while I was still in the you know, feeling
really good, and I said, when did you know that
you wanted to retire? And he said, I'm gonna give
you some advice. Played to the wheels fall off. And
that was Jerry Rice. And that's what Jerry Rice did.
What he was a twenty twenty one years in the

(01:27:23):
NFL playing for the Denver Broncos and got cut. But
you didn't want that. I did not want that. I
didn't want that. That father that was taking his son
or daughter to the game and saying you should have
seen that guy back in the day. That was he
was good. That he's a that's not who he is anymore.
But some guys are okay with that. Peyton Manning was
okay with that and won a Super Bowl. I couldn't

(01:27:45):
do that. My ego. Maybe my I talked about ego
has no amigo, but my ego could just couldn't. Just
couldn't take that. No, I mean it can. It's not
necessarily ego. It's it's a vulnerability. You took so much
pride in your game. I don't think it's you go
at all. You take so much pride in your game
that you didn't want to disappoint yourself. It's not about others.

(01:28:06):
It's about you. You have a standard and you felt
you weren't living up to your standard. I don't think
it's ego at all. I think I think it takes
incredible self awareness to say I like this package. I
like this present. I'm gonna wrap it and I'm gonna
put it under the tree, but I don't want the
wheels to come off. I'm very proud of what you did.
You compartmentalize your career. The minute you sensed that dipping,

(01:28:28):
You're like, no, this is still good product. I'm gonna
wrap the product. Put it under the tree, and I'm
done with it. I've said this before Johnny Carson it
was time. He could have done it for four more years,
and Johnny's like, I'm gonna make my last show great.
Same with Letterman, and it's like Letterman saw all these
young guys. He saw Colbert, and he saw Foulon and
Kimmel and they were all doing like social media stuff,

(01:28:49):
and he's like Twitter, and Dave's like, you know what
I'm gonna I'm gonna wrap this present. Yeah, I'm good
with it. I think that takes self awareness. But I
don't know who's to say was right or wrong with Tom.
It's Fonzie jumping jumping the shark in Happy Days, you know.
That's that's where where it comes from. I didn't want
to jump the shark. I didn't want to keep going
out there and being a shell of myself. And and

(01:29:12):
I think it'd be here that that could happen. I
think it would be. I think it'd be hard for
Drew Brees to walk away because they got a lot
of good players. Yeah, if I'm Tom and I look
at my roster and I look at Mahomes, and I
don't think it's that hard to walk away. I don't
And I've been thinking about this all morning because I
said it yesterday on the show that first of all,
I think the Patriots, they were twelve and four this year,

(01:29:33):
don't act like they had a bad year. They have
cap room, they can go get players. Gront could come back,
could you know, just stay or retire kind of like
what mister Kraft wants him to do. But then maybe
he has that he can go somewhere else and they can.
But he needs guys around him. Now, yeah, Tom does.
It's not at that it's not that elite quarterback anymore
where he can make the players around him better. He

(01:29:56):
needs a cast, supporting cast. But by the way, you
could make the argument for Brady, he goes lets he
goes to the Chargers. They got a lot, they got
a great running back, they have great tight ends. Is
it could I say, Brady goes for two years to
the Chargers and it rejuvenates his spirit. So when you
went to Atlanta, did it literally emotionally rejuvenate you? Yeah,

(01:30:19):
it did, because it's a change of scenery. And this
is what I'm saying. I'm changing that opinion. Now if
Tom wants to go because Josh McDaniels is going to
get a job somewhere if he wants to or whatever.
And Bill Belichick's probably like, hey, you're not the guy.
And you know how Bill is he? I don't think
he cares. He just wants to win. That's that's his
most important, uh goal. And with the team, go out

(01:30:39):
there and go do it again, get rejuvenated, come to La.
He loves La. I'm sure he works out, would love Lay,
the family, would love La. Try to do it again?
Why not? I had fun? And if he and he
still got it, I don't think he's a bad Tom
can win. They just have no weapons. It's just it
challenge yourself. Why not go get it with the Chargers.

(01:31:00):
They have weapons are just like he said, I think
that would probably be the best situation for him, And
and I think, what you know, I don't believe in
the goat. I know people, I don't believe in the goat.
I do believe he's one of the goats. But for
him to go out there and maybe get to a
super Bowl in La, I think that's that's kind of like, Wow,
how cool would that be? And he'll take less money

(01:31:23):
That's the thing about Tom. He doesn't need the money,
and he's shown that over his whole career. He's left
over one hundred million dollars on the table by not
being the highest paid quarterback in the league. Ever. I
think maybe one time in his career he was that.
Otherwise he even this year he made twenty million or
something like that, that compared to thirty five that that
Matt Ryan's making and Aaron Rodgers. He will take a
cat friendly deal to come out to the to the

(01:31:46):
Chargers and go win another championship and say, how I'll
play for fifteen million. You guys, go get me players,
give me an offensive line so I can sit back
there and shred people apart. It could be a good thing.
Good seeing you man. The podcast is called Wide Open
with Tony Gonzales only missed two games in his entire career,
a Hall of Famer and you are third most receptions

(01:32:06):
in NFL history, right ye? Number one is Jerry. Jerry
and Larry passed me this year at the Grey Fitzgerald.
Good dudes. Good for him, they had good dudes, a
good company. Yeah. I love good seeing you. Joy with
the news, no, no turn on the news. This is
the herd Line News. Well, we were waiting to the
two announcement. He made his decision and announcement this morning

(01:32:28):
about the twenty twenty season. Here it is, and without
further ado, with lots of prayers, thoughts in guidance, I
have decided that I will be declaring and entering the
twenty twenty NFL Draft. My three years at the University
of Alabama have been the epitome of a roller coaster.
I've had a fair share of upsum of many ups,

(01:32:50):
and a handful of downs, and I couldn't be happier
to know that with all the success and failures I've
had here at the university, it has prepared me for
life in general. This was obviously the right decision. I
think you feel that way as well. We're neither one
of us or doctors, nor we to his family, but
it seems like you want to be an NFL quarterback,
you should probably get the NFL as soon as possible. Yeah,

(01:33:11):
especially with injuries. I think it matters. It absolutely matters.
I don't I think he's going to end up going
to a situation where they either have a quarterback that
is in place for another year, like you know, obviously
there's a lot of talk about him going to the Dolphins,
right I said recently, I think they're going to stick
with Fitzpatrick for another year for a year. So if
they do take Tuh and they have Fitzpatrick in place,

(01:33:32):
he is the absolute epitome of a veteran and has
experienced with so many teams. Obviously, he's been all over
the NFL. I don't hate that situation for the Dolphins now.
I would prefer that they use a couple of their
first round picks and trade up and get Joe Burrow.
But there's a lot of places that he can go,
and a lot of veteran quarterbacks that are going to
move in this offseason that he doesn't have to come

(01:33:53):
in right away with huge expectations. So when Baker Mayfield
came out, people said, oh, he's Drew Brees, and I said, no,
he's not. Tuah is a combination to me of Russell Wilson.
He's not that athletic, but he's athletic and Drew Brees.
I think he throws the most accurate football that I've
seen a college football player throw. I don't even I
can't even compare him. I mean, I loved Andrew luck

(01:34:13):
He's not that accurate. I like Trevor Lawrence. He's not
that accurate. Tuah's accuracy and he's just athletic enough in
today's modern game that he doesn't want to run for yards.
That's not who he is. He's not lamar Um. He's
got a little Steve Young. There's a little Steve Young,
a little Russell Wilson, a little Drew Brees. I think
of all these quarterbacks, I think Tuah and Trevor Lawrence

(01:34:36):
next year do things that are generationally His accuracy is
generationally accurate. People love he has the intangibles, beautiful ball,
he can throw it, He's accurate. My reservation about Tuah
is just the injuries. Yeah, that's I think everybody's Yeah,

(01:34:57):
that's fair. That's fair, and like that's a very important
thing because availability is his skill and it matters, especially
at that position. So that's my that's my only concern
about him. If he doesn't have an issue within the NFL,
I think he's gonna have a tremendous career. So the
Texans were down sixteen nothing in the third quarter against
the Bill's Saturday before Deshaun Watson led the comeback to
force overtime. It was one unbelievable a move from Watson.

(01:35:20):
He spun out of what looked like a for sure
sack set up the game winning field goal, and after
the game he was asked how he made that play
to keep his team alive. It's good Di ring now
and all that work. I just had to make a play.
And I told the guys before the game, I said,
a card in there, and then locker, I said, let's
be great today. So somebody had to be great. Love

(01:35:42):
watching him play. What the hell's wrong with Houston's first
half coaching? Oh? Okay, truly, I don't understand someone of
your dumb organization. Did they practice every week they're down?
This kid plays foot behind his whole career. Bill O'Brien's
a terrible scriptor of plays. Should have been ahead in
virtually every game to Shawn Watson trails constantly, So you

(01:36:03):
know how hard it is to play from behind in
this league? How about getting sacked seven times? God, the
right side of their offensive line, who's number seventy three
two weeks Zach Fulton stinks? Yeah, seven times and he
was still able to do that. Have your sack seven
times in the game. How do you even have the
like emotional energy? They are very strangest team in the league.

(01:36:29):
The Chiefs are nine and a half point favorites. I
think I take the Chiefs, what I know, I would.
I think Kansas City is just on fire, you know,
and I like dogs. I took the Chiefs. I picked
them to win the Super Bowl this year. But that's
nine and a half points. I know, I take Kansas City.
I think they're gonna roll them. I think, and remember,
remember Andy reid Off a bye. You know how good

(01:36:51):
he is, So Andy gets two weeks and also that
Kansas City defense. So yea. By the way, Houston's a
terrible first half team. Andy reid Off a bye? Is
that game seventeen? Nothing about seven minutes in? Doesn't feel
like it doesn't matter for Deshaun Watson apparently, although it
is the Bills and they I mean that that was
something at the end of they imploded. But listen, all

(01:37:11):
you Bill fans that are banging on Josh mc sean McDermott. Timeout,
he's made the playoffs twice in three years. Oh, don't
let where react to this. Yeah, like he had a
bad second half as a coach. Get over it. He's
been great. They had a great season. They built press
with Josh Allen. Yeah, they had a sixth day. They
melted down for about seven minutes. It was. It was
an absolute meltdown, no question about it. I got a
great future. Yes. Finally, as we know, today's a very

(01:37:34):
special day here at Fox. It's the birthday of someone
very important to the family. Who is that? So I'd
like to take a moment to say Happy birthday to
Howie Law Wow. Yeah, yeah, I'm really happy for him.
Thank you very much. Joy. Now, look, I've been told
it's also Colin's birthday today. I suppose we can share
the day, Colin, but you've got to do me a

(01:37:55):
favor this year. Take it a little bit easier on
Baker Mayfield, would you? Happy birthday, my friend, and have
a great one. All the great ones were born on
January sixth, Thank you, Happy birthday, Happy birthday. I thought
they said I was coming out of the cake. That's
why Ward is. I said, I'm bringing out the cake.

(01:38:15):
So happy birthday. Edie's not wearing that. Nobody cares. Work harder. Yeah,
looks it looks good. So I'm gonna check it out
and look at that. Are you gonna eat that? Yeah?
I'm pretty good later, Yeah, yeah, I thought the cake.
That's rict. That's why I love you. Thank you very much.

(01:38:35):
Thank you guys for playing the appropriate happy birthday song
as well. Happy birthday, Thank you, thank you. It's very
exciting Capricorn season. Did we see that nobody cares work harder? Yes?
Is that great? It's my favorite tweet by anybody ever
on the internet. Joy with the news. Well that's the news,

(01:38:57):
and thanks for stopping by The Herd line news. Right,
three word game we talk about not only every game,
but every team. Can you wrap up the season for
the losers? Can you wrap up the teams that one
heading after the next weekend? The three word game? Coming up?
One more Herd. The Herd streams twenty four hours a day,
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(01:39:17):
to listen live or on demand whenever you like. Oh,
welcome back. I'm just reading on TWA. I'm glad TOAs
came out. You know. It's I'm just reading some stuff here.
Off Bruce Feldman, he college football guy for Fox. According
to Feldman, he talked to an NFL source who said, listen,
thank god, this is the right decision for TWA. If

(01:39:38):
he came back to Alabama, it was going to be
a devaluation period or to have all the tape you
need on him. This is a really important thing when
Tua made the decision today. My takeaway is years ago,
Matt Leinart stayed for one more year, and I remember
a scout telling me, does he love like maybe he's
more of a college guy, Like he could have gone pro,

(01:39:59):
but he's staying in call. Maybe he just wants to
be a college quarterback. And I thought, no, he's just
staying in there because he can win more games than
he loves USC. But that's how scouts think. Like if
TWA goes back, it's like, what are you scared of
the challenge? What do you maybe just want to be
more of a college guy like that? Scouts take this
is one of those situations where you're better just going
getting healthy. And I gotta tell you, I think two

(01:40:21):
is the best quarterback. The thing I like about this
for Tuah is that he can go to a team
like a Carolina or Chargers. He can sit for like
they got. I think Tyrod Taylor with the Chargers and
just start the year with Tyrod and like Lamar Jackson,
week ten or eleven, if you're you know, you're kind
of around five hundred, he's all ready to go. You know,

(01:40:41):
let him sit for eight to ten weeks, because Tyrod
can win you games. Probably he's not your franchise guy,
but he can win you games. And I think he's
gonna Whoever ends up with the Chargers, whatever quarterback ends up, well,
whoever it is, that guy, it's Noah's ark. Two good corners,
two good backs, two good tight ends, two good receivers,
two good pass rush. There's two good safeties. I mean,
Chargers are really good. They just need a younger, more

(01:41:05):
mobile quarterback. All right, it's best for last. We call
it the three word game. Now, we don't have as
many games this weekend, so we wrap up this season
in every game this weekend for the winners and losers.
Here we go best for last. How about Bill's Texans?
Bills needed that experience. Listen, as Sean McDermott said afterwards,
my quarterback was just trying to do too much. He's

(01:41:26):
a young quarterback. Sam Darnold, Josh Allen Baker, Mayfield. They
make mistakes. This is new territory. They can act like
they've been there before because they haven't been there before.
Bills were up sixteen nothing. They've now lost six straight
playoff games. Got to go back to the mid nineties.
And yes, Josh Allen looked a little over his skis
in crisis. He's a playmaker. He was trying to make

(01:41:49):
a play. He reminds me so much as Sam Darnold.
He's got a better arm than Darnold. But you know,
sometimes you're like, dude, this isn't high school. Can't you
just shovel of the ball over the field? How about
the Texans who won that game? Deshaun is mj sacked
seven times, yet eighty percent completion rate, two hundred and
fifty yards, a touchdown, noe picks, and a passer rating

(01:42:09):
of one hundred and twenty. And that's against the Bills
defense that is excellent. That is one of the best
secondaries in the NFL. I think they may have the
best safeties. They have an all pro corner. The Buffalo
Bills to be that effective with an offensive line on
the right side that evaporated is a remarkable accomplishment from

(01:42:30):
one of my favorite NFL players. Let's go Patriots Titans game.
Patriots dynasty is over. Listen. You know after they started eight, no,
they went four and five, they lost three home games.
They're old. They looked old, they looked tired. Julian Edelman
is just all beat up. They don't have over the
top players. Eighteenth in rushing this season. You know, we

(01:42:51):
talk about Brady. They just couldn't run the football. Why
because Gronk was a great blocking tight end. He's gone.
They lost their center, They had a revolving door for
the first two months at left tackle. They have got
to get somebody over the top. They've got to address
the tight end they've got, They've got to get some
depth on the offensive line. They just fell apart. They

(01:43:11):
were four and five in their last nine games. Most
of those were giving them home field advantage, and they
still couldn't win. How about the Titans. Titans deserved it
led the NFL and rushing one hundred eighty two rushing
yards is the most ever surrendered by Bill Belichick in

(01:43:31):
New England. Tanny Hill didn't even have a huge game.
But when you'll watch the Titans, and it was it
was really mud wrestling here for about three and a
half hours. The score just kind of spell. It could
stayed the same forever. But again, didn't you feel like
Tennessee just had a little bit more speed on the perimeter,
more of an offensive identity they could rely on. Henry

(01:43:55):
and New England was held to a season little thirteen points.
And the Titans, unlike the Patriots, are hot. They've won
eight of their last eleven games. Good for Tennessee, a
team that deserved it. How about the Saints Vikings game?
Saints another heartbreaking loss. Three consecutive seasons end on walk

(01:44:17):
off losses, twice by Minnesota and once by the Rams.
They were a team, the Saints that did not turn
the ball over all year. They had two turnovers in
this game. Now, they did have some injuries that crept
up on them. This is a league of attrition. But
in the two big plays down the stretch, one to

(01:44:37):
Kyle Rudolph and one to Adam Feeling, they that defense
who had been that had been so good all year
just couldn't make stops. Playoff football is situational football, and
the Saints situationally couldn't make plays at home in the end.
How about the Vikings. We like that Kirk Cousins on
the road sixty one excellent in overtime, ninety six passer rating.

(01:45:03):
I thought this was as Troikman pointed out, this is
the throw of his career to Adam Feeland, who Theeland
was hurt much of the year he came back. They
couldn't get the ball to Stefon Diggs much early in
the game. It was not a perfect game. They left
some points on the table throughout the course of the
game on drives. But you know, Cousins is a much maligned,

(01:45:25):
often criticized quarterback who really put his stamp on this
game with that throw to Adam Feeland. How about the
final game Seattle Philly Eagles, not On Wentz listen, Nick
Foles didn't win a game this year, Jadeveon Clowney, I
don't think the cheap player. I thought this was a
cheap shot at not Carson Wentz out. They were just

(01:45:47):
decimated by injuries. I think it's remarkable they made the playoffs.
They started the year with more secondary issues than I've
ever seen. Then they had an offensive line issue than
they had wide receiver issues. I don't think they ever
recovered from the on Jackson being out, and I think
they have to address that in the offseason. Carson Wentz
is a playmaker, he really is. Mahomes he's a playmaker.

(01:46:08):
He's gonna throw some picks. But what would what would
Mahomes be without Tyreek Hill. He's just not as special.
That's some of the juice. How about the Seattle Seahawks. Finally,
Russell Real MVP. Listen, I know Lamar's gonna win it,
but Lamar's got help. Russell Wilson was missing a left tackle,

(01:46:29):
another offensive lineman. He was missing Chris Carson, Rashad Penny,
and c J. Precise. Bobby Wagner was the only other
Seahawk this year that was a Pro Bowl or Ravens
had twelve. They couldn't run the football. They had seventeen
carries for nineteen yards. They were missing all just on
the offensive side. They were missing all sorts of personnel.

(01:46:49):
And by the way, Joy looked this up for me today,
they're only eighteenth in defense. It's not like they had
a stone cold defense. Quadrid Diggs was gone for a
big chunk of the season. Clowney took a while to
get moved in the fact that Seattle has advanced to
the second round of the playoffs with all these injuries
is unbelievable. Trent Dilford called him the best football player

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in the National Football League and I do not disagree
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