December 6, 2022 • 40 mins
Colin's new Herd Hierarchy after week 13 of the NFL
Nick Wright from First Things First joins the show to explain why he's still not buying Jalen Hurts and the Eagles as legitimate Super Bowl contenders
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It's been a really, really fun last three weeks. We
get the World Cup, couple of weeks ago, college football,
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the playoffs at NFL. I do feel like I kind
of feel like we have about four teams that can
win the Super Bowl, about four and then about three
or four. On the outside. San Francisco feels like they've
gone from inside the bubbles, just just just an inch
outside the bubble. Fun though. J MAC World Cup has
been tremendous. Morocco just registered the biggest win in the
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country's history over Spain and penalty kicks money on Spain.
It's a tough one. But it's these stories at the
World Cup are just incredible. Car It's been really the
story of upsets. Oh yeah, a lot of underdogs. If folks,
for American fans, we did not lose to England, many
thought that was a top six team, right, like, like
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it was really you can argue about some substitution patterns,
our penalties, our corner kicks were um not very uh
strong to do a lot of creating off the st Yeah,
our set plays were weak and our substitution patterns. But
every country is complaining about substitution patterns. If you don't
win the World Cup, everybody's coach stinks. So in the end,
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there's been uh, the world's great soccer teams are getting closer.
The countries are getting closer and closer. Yeah, like it
feels at college football this year, it feels like everybody's
getting with a transfer portal. Everybody's getting the top twelve teams.
Role it's not Alabama here, It's like, no, Georgia struggled,
should have lost to Missouri, by the way, no college
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football Saturday. But we get France versus England, and what
is gonna be tremendous much watch must watch game, like
schedule your morning around that. All right, um Nick writing
about five minutes, here we go. The Herd hierarchy. Herd
Hierarchy the top ten of NFL teams according to College
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number ten. This was the hardest spot for me. I'm
gonna take the Seahawks for two reasons. One, the offensive
line in Geno Smith. This is an offensive league and
he is number two in the NFL and passer rating.
I kind of know what I get from their quarterback
every week. That was it. They also are second in takeaways.
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They're a little young. You worry about them peaking. Can
they hit the wall, But they've five of seven and
you know they're winning these close games, which is harder
for young teams. But when I look at that old line,
I look at Geno Smith, I look at them move
the chains. I'll put Seattle at number ten, number nine.
The Titans. Listen, it's the first time they allowed over
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twenty points since Week three. They had a stinker. This
is still one of the top five coaches a great
defensive front. They do have a bad point differential because
they can't they can't blow you out offensively. But Tannehills
had a bad he had a bad game, they had
a bad week. This is still a really good team
that's gonna win their division. They're gonna they're gonna have
a home playoff game. We love Rabel, we like their defense.
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They just got boat race by a really good team
on the road. It happens. I still trust the organization.
They're ticked off. They just fired their GM. I'll put
the Titans at nine. Number eight, listen, I'll take the Vikings.
They've won nine of their last ten games. They beat
the Jets. They probably shouldn't have, but they keep winning games.
At some point, double us matter. Their defense is not
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very good. You can move the ball on this team,
though they did keep the Jets late in the game
out of the red zone. You know, at some point
double us matter, and they just keep winning most of
these close games. Number seven, I still like the Dolphins
a lot. We've got to be fair here. They were
missing their tackles against the best defense in the league.
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But Twas still leads the NFL and passer rating. It
was to his first loss on the year when he's healthy.
He also had three turnovers against the Niners, and he's
I mean, he'd had very few turnovers all seasons. So
this was a Sunday where the circumstances on the road,
you start trailing, you have to throw. You're missing your
left tackle, you're missing your right tackle. Miami is still
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going to be a playoff team capable of winning a
playoff game or two. Number six. But the Niners, even
with brock Purty, still have the best defense in the league.
I think the best young offensive coach in the league.
They've got weapons everywhere, They've got a remarkable run game. Listen,
they have the number one scoring defense. They've forced four turnovers.
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Miami didn't turn the ball over. They forced four out
of Miami. And and by the way, say what you
want about brock Purty, Kyle Shanahan has never asked his
quarterbacks to be burrowing mahomes. That's not what they asked
their quarterback to be. It's like the Phoenix Suns and
Chris Paul. They don't need him to score thirty. The
Warriors need Steph to score thirty. It's not what the
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Suns do. I think they're gonna win a lot of games,
including playoff games with brock Purty. Number five. The Cowboys,
they're playing very very well. Forty points plus in three
of their last five games. They've got six or seven
great world class athletes. Ceedee Lamb's having a season. Tony
Pollard's emerged as a star running back. There's a lot
to like about Dallas. I worry about the margins in
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the playoffs, where you have to have great play from
your quarterback. You have to have a great coach. But
they lead the NFL and sack differential. They protect their quarterback.
They go get yours the Cowboys at five, number four.
The Buffalo Bills. They're back, and they're back because they
have now built a more consistent run game. They're now
the number one seed, which is an advantage when you
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play in Buffalo without weather. One hundred thirty yards of
rushing plus in six straight games. It's not about Josh Allen.
I said it all year when I doubted them. You've
got to develop a run game before the playoffs. You're
gonna be planning in windy, snowy, wet weather. You can't
rely on Josh Allen to throw at forty five times.
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I'll put the Bills at four, number three. I'd still
take Kansas City situationally over them. But I am worried
about the Chiefs missing Tyreek Hill. Listen, we said they'd
be productive without Tyreek, they would score a lot of points.
But he is lightning, and he did fours double teams,
and he does tilt the field, and they don't offensively
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feel quite the same. Very reliant in key spots on
Travis Kelsey so outscored by Joe Burrow in the fourth quarter.
I like Kansas City a lot. I think they can
win the Super Bowl, but the Tyreek situation. Now, as
the season goes on, everybody gets filmed. What can Juju
Smith Schuster do? What can he do? I have him
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at three number two the Bengals. Do you realize that
Joe Burrow has only been sacked five times over the
last four games, and at that same time, they've developed
a run game. The offensive line has finally come together.
You don't get to Burrow, you don't hit Burrow, and
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Burrow's got a run game. Watch out, don't even have
Joe Mixon back. So the key to this thing not
that Burrows better, it's the offensive line has come together.
He's not getting hit, he's not getting sacked, and now
he's thrown on second and five and third and two.
That's what beats Kansas City. There's an element of surprise
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to the offense they did not have in the first
because he was throwing on third and eleven. He was
trailing in games, he was trailing by double digits. That's
done number one. I think we have to give it
to Philadelphia. They're blowing people out. If you go look
at Super Bowl winners the last ten years, they always
have like seven or eight blowouts. So Philadelphia. I bought
in this weekend. I was on the fence after they
blew out Tennessee. I'm in a j Brown has been
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one of the great acquisitions of the year. That can
beat you over the top. They can beat the time
of possession. I think the improvement of Jalen Hurts is unbelievable.
I think it's unbelieved. He may be the opposite of
Josh Allen. Josh is big and jumping over people. If
you go look at this kid in the biggest games
this year against Tennessee in Minnesota, He's given you three
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hundred yards throwing. He's given you seventy four percent completion percentage.
If we're going to embrace Josh Allen's massive growth, then
we got to embrace Jalen Hurts because this kid in
the biggest stages is wildly productive. He has made massive
leaps in production that I didn't think we're there. I
never saw him as this kind of quarterback in the NFL.
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He has been fantastic in big spots. With that, I
bring on Nick Wright, co host. First things first, he
is joining us now live, by the way, I'll just
start with that, all right, Listen, Sometimes I'm right, sometimes
I'm wrong. I am shocked by Jalen Hurts. I did
not see this in the NFL. What your takeaway on
what you're seeing from him? Is it? Okay? If I
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still him a little skeptically, I'm gonna be I'm gonna
be the last one on board. And that's not necessarily
in jail. And it's just the Eagles as the best
team in football, the Eagles as a juggernaut. I'm gonna
there is I've said this before. An Eagles fans will
get mad at me, but all I owe you is honesty.
That playoff performance yes last year was so bad that
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I can't get it out of my mind until I
see that coach and that quarterback in the playoffs again.
I'm holding them to the same sta I would have
held Arizona if Arizona were eleven and one this year.
After what I saw from them in the playoffs last year.
It's fun, it's nice, it's good. I need to see
in the postseason. So I am still a little skeptical
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of them overall as a team. I think you can
get to them through the air vertically if you have
time to throw the football, something Tennessee obviously couldn't do
in Tennessee when Strailon Burks went out. Doesn't have the
weapons to do. But I think Philadelphia is very good.
I also would not be surprised if they lose their
first playoff game. But the rest of the hierarchy, I'm
not gonna listen Cincinnati. You know what's nice, Colin. After
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so long people trying to create a fake rival for
Kansas City, now they have a real one. The Bengals
have earned it. Unlike Buffalo, which was anointed by losing
to the Chiefs. The Bengals have earned it. And your guy,
Joe Burrow, who I will say, you know because you've
been much higher on Cincinnati than almost anyone else. And
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you know I follow all your ventures and I know
you have a nice relationship with Joe Burrow, and I
was like, is my buddy Colin getting a little polluted
in his brain? Nope, he was right. They're really good man.
And the Chiefs couldn't get off the field, or they
couldn't get them off the field. And I give the
Bengals he mint credit. They've now beat them three times
in a row. No one's ever come close to that.
I give them massive credit. So two things I'm really
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interested in now when I talk about here is hard boss,
so har boss, quirky. He's different. I had a disastrous
interview with him. Once I apologized, you have to handle
him differently. He's got a different personality. There are, in
my opinion, about four college jobs Michigan, Texas, Georgia, USC
where I get to live in a really cool town
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and I have a massive brand and I control personnel.
There's a lot of college jobs. I couldn't convince my
wife to move to the town. Those are awesome places
to live and big brands. So that's the second best job.
If you have one of those jobs, it's the second
best football job in America. The best job is coaching
any team with mahomessh Allen Herbert Burrow. That's those are
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the best jobs. So I wouldn't leave if I was
hardball for like the Colts, would you. Well, here's the
counter argument. So I'm going to tell you something that
you probably don't know. Six years ago, I was. It
was one of my very first times filling in for
you Colin on this show. And I don't know why
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hardball was a topic, but he was. It was one
of his first really good years at Michigan, if I
remember correctly, And I said that I thought, if the
question was who was my number one pick in the
world to coach my football team, and you were not
going to tell me, was it college or pro? I said,
the answer has to be Jim Harball, because he did
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it at Stanford, got him to a top five program.
Then he almost won a Super Bowl of San Francisco,
and then he got Michigan back to more than respectability.
And then Harball obviously had some run years. And I
mean thirteen months ago Jim Harball lost to Michigan State
and some of his most ardent supporters were like, we're
done with him. He can't do it. Since then, he's
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eighteen and one and the only loss came against Georgia.
So here's what I would So I say all that
to say this, Let's say they win the title Colin
and that would have mean he beat Ohio State, then
he beat TCU, then he beat this budding dynasty in Georgia,
one of the best college football start to finish seasons
in recent memory. If he does that, if he were
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to go to the NFL and win a Super Bowl,
does he have one of the greatest football coaching resumes
of anyone in history? Absolutely, Stanford a contender, almost win
a Super Bowl with the Niners, who were more abund
with Tom Sula before he got there. Go to Michigan,
revived them, win a title. And then if he goes
and wins a Super Bowl, it's not only that his
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brother has won, but it's like, hold on a second.
You know, our friend in college Jimmy Johnson obviously did
it at both levels, but with just one program at
each level as in a dominant fashion. So I think
he's such a unique character that that challenge and that
ability to say, wait, do I have overall the best
and most unique coaching resume in the history of American football?
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If he wins this national championship, this year, he'd be
one check mark away from it. So I wouldn't be
shocked if he went to go pursue. It's a really
interesting take that. And we know he tends to be aspirational.
We know that he likes it's part of it. He's
very competitive. By the way, his brother's got a super Bowl.
Well that's the thing. So the brother having a super
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Bowl is such a unique factor in this And who
did the brother beat to win the Super Bowl? And
so like he's in this weird place where everyone is
finally giving him his flowers, particularly if they're able to
finish this thing off. Yet do like his cousins think
he's the second best coach in his own family. Maybe
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I don't know. So, like, it's a it's a weird
spot to be in. And so I think he's more
likely to leave Colin if he wins than if they lose.
I think if they lose, he comes back almost assuredly
if he wins the whole thing, especially since Michigan kind
of made him eat it and take a pay cut
not that long ago. Maybe he says, Okay, did what
I said I was gonna do. Try to go finish
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it off in the NFL. So I you know, you
and I both we have we take sides on quarterbacks.
You know, I've always said with two he's small, he's brittle.
This is n't it. But when you give him a
genius offensive coach and weapons. I've seen this with Dak.
Of course it can be successful, this is no question.
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But I as I watched Sunday, I was like, okay,
now this left tackles out. Maybe you know now you've
got to overcome. I watched Burrow get to a super
Bowl with an atrocious offensive line that's over Brandon's. I'm
watching Justin Herbert win football games. I'm not sure the
coach knows what he's doing. Like like overcoming matters to me?
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Do you feel like Sunday was a moment where we
could all go those of us who doubted too it
could go. See we told you, well, I'm gonna hold
off on the full victory lap until this coming Sunday, Okay,
because it is become very in vogue on you know,
with some of our best friends, Colin, you and me
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on this network to talk about Tua versus Justin Herbert
as if oh, it's clear Ta was the right pick.
Everyone mocked the Dolphins, but they got it right. No,
they didn't, and I don't. It's unfathomable to me that
people can't get past the quarterback wins. You know, religion
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that some people have. It even infects you of it
with some of the Jimmy G commentary, which is why
I am praying, speaking of religion, that Brock Purdy goes
on a run, because then maybe that'll finally put to
rest the quarterback wins stuff. But listen, both of these
things can be true. I think that the extremes on
the two discussion were probably both wrong at least a bit.
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I said going into this year that I thought this
was going to be his last year as a starter.
I clearly was wrong about that. Now. The only reason
I said that was because his own team tried to
replace him twice, once with a forty five year old
and once with a guy who they didn't even know
it was going to be suspended for the year. Right,
But I was wrong about that. The folks who are
acting like he's League in MVP when he's not even
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Dolphins team in VP, that's tyree kill. They also need
to pump the brakes a bit, and I am concerned
a bit about the cold and about the schedule. And
while I don't think the Dolphins have any real risk
of missing the playoffs, would it shock me if an
eight and three start turned into a ten and seven season,
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And no, it would not veas is given what they
have coming up. And so I think that I can
have the humility to acknowledge he is better than I
thought he was, But I will not join anyone in
acting like him versus Herbert, or him versus Burrow is
a real discussion. To me, those two guys are in
a totally different tier. So this one's going to be interesting,
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I would be. Um, I would regret not asking you
an NBA question? Is that I said before the season?
I said, here's what's gonna still selling Anthony Anthony Davis.
Is that what we're talking about? Hi, he's averaging fifty
a night, I think, I said, But unfortunately because of
salary caps, is that players do become like commodities and
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a little bit like chess pieces. There is a bylow
sell high component to this stuff. Sure, um, And I said,
watch Anthony Davis be a monster in the first half. A.
This is not a championship team. And B he will
get hurt, and I know that's sort of dark and mccabre.
He is playing even better than I thought. But I
want to ask you, because it's they played great against Milwaukee.
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You know, the veterans all played a million minutes. What
would you do with Anthony Davis? Do you just sit
here write it out, cross your fingers on his health?
What do you do? Yeah? I mean I don't think
you can move on from Anthony Davis, and I think
that is a basketball reason and a non basketball reason.
The basketball reason is you can say flatly, this is
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not a championship team, and it almost you're almost assuredly correct. However,
if we are in a world where Lebron James is
clearly your second best guy, and that is because not
because Lebron has fallen off a cliff, but because Ad
is playing the best basketball of his life and is
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back in the argument for one of the four or
five best players in the world, well, we saw a
flawed Lakers team win a title with that recipe, except
Lebron and Ads roles flipped, and we saw it happened
just two years ago. So I'm not going to give
them a zero percent chance to win the title. That's
the basketball reason. The non basketball reason is this, Lebron
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James signed that extension with this team. And I am
not reporting this, but it would be shocking to me
if part of the negotiation and agreeing to sign that
extension was not him going to the front office and saying, you,
guys will make win now moves if we show we
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have the ability to compete, and I believe Lebron go
what's the word promise I guess from them or commitment
from them for them to then go the other way,
and when Lebron is signing the extension and then trade
away Anthony Davis to start a rebuild when he's in
year twenty, I think would be a betrayal that the
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Lakers don't do a lot of things right business wise,
but at the very least they do have a good
reputation still for treating their stars well. That I think
is one they couldn't overcome. So if this team was
going to be four and twenty one and one of
the worst teams in basketball, which was looking like for
a bit, then everything's on the board, because all of
a sudden they look like, at the worst a play
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in team and at best a dangerous team in a
up and down Western conference. I don't think you can
trade Anthony Davis. That was really good. That was a
good point. Now you made me think, you'll make me.
I'll think about that, and I want you to think
of it. Can I tell you one thing before I go.
I know it's late and we only have, you know,
a few hours till the deadline. Yeah, but if there's
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if there is a sports God, can the Niners please
claim Baker Mayfield and go on a playoff run? Please? Please?
Can that happen? It would just be the greatest, one
of the greatest moments of Colin Goward has had a
twenty plus year Hall of Fame media career. Him having
on a daily basis for three hours to deal with
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Baker falling bass accwords into a super Bowl ready team
would be a get all the Marconi's ready. So come on, Niners,
make it happen. I don't even yeah, you and Jmack,
he's all on this. I'm you know what, It's just
I'm gonna I'm not gonna pick a side. If it happens,
it happens. I won't play favorites. See Buddy First Thing's
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first great show after ours. God, that is just crazy.
It's crazy world, man. You never know everything that happens
in sports. KD to the Warriors, I was like, what
I mean, how Brady to the Bucks? What big stuff
has happening all the time and coming from nowhere. I'm
surprised you're not taking credit for Anthony Davis putting on
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a jet pack and becoming an MDP candidate. You were
ready to ship in out of town, and now he's like, wait,
don't trade me. I'm putting up fifty a game with
the Laker, I said you because he got ripped by
La media, fans were ripping him. He was gonna have
a big year. But now it's just I don't like
being in situations in anything or I'm crossing my fingers.
I feel like, as a Laker fan, every time he
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hits the floor, you're like, is he okay? Is he okay?
Every time Luca hits the floor? Do you feel that
way Janice hits the floor. I don't like finger crossing.
These guys don't have injury histories like and so you know,
the past gives you a pretty good indication of what's
going to happen in the future. So you know. But
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but the argument he made, which I think is the
really strong one. The one thing the Lakers still have
a great reputation of is they treat their stars right.
And this is a star driven league. It's a very
good point. I never thought of that. That is a
really big component here. The Lakers treat their stars well.
They couldn't get stars for like the longest time. Remember
they were whiffing on every free agent. Hey, can we
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go back to hurt hierarchy for five seconds? So the
Tennessee Titans chicken at I believe number nine. I don't
feel great about it. I would hope not. They've lost
two games in a row and they've looked terrible in
both of them. They lost and choked at home against
the Bagels, and they got mashed by the Eagles by
twenty five points. I don't have to love everybody on
the list. I know, why would they be it? What
have they done to be worthy of number? They just
fired their GM today because I love their coach, I
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love their culture, I like their toughness, and they've had
like this happens all the time. They've had a little
speed bump. So this is basically a participation trophy. Let's
just throw them in there, make them feel good about themselves.
They're not good, but I need to give them a
quick shout out. I have pulled back on them every week.
They were ranked higher several weeks ago. I keep pulling back. Hey,
you can't be perfect every week. A couple of whiffs
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this week. It happens, right, It's like two we're talking
about consider both the Packers and the Jets at ten both.
Thank you for the consideration for five straight weeks. On
the Jets, you're like honorable mention All League. You're the
last guy to miss the cut. Well, by the way, um,
I was a last guy cut from my tennis team
in high school. It's done a little bit. All my
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friends were on the team. I thought I was a lock.
I'm better now than I was. Remember when I beat
you badly a couple of years back. Don't remember? Don't
remember that? Okay at all? Fuzzy it happened. One more Herd.
The Herd streams twenty four hours a day, seven days
a week. Within the iHeartRadio app, Search Herd to listen
live or on demand whenever you like. Brazil began its
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knockout stage in style with the return of star forward Namar,
the Brazilians piled it on in the first half. Veniss
junior Ritarlson, Lucas Bakeeta, and Namar himself all scored before
the break on their way to a decisive for one
victory over South Korea. The quarterfinals at the twenty twenty
two Feeful World Cup get underweight Friday with a pair
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of blockbuster matchups. First, Croatia takes on Namar and the
unstoppable offense of Brazil. Then the Netherlands battle Leonel Messi
and Argentina. Coverage begins at nine Eastern on Fox in
the Fox Sports app. Brazil plays with such confidence. They
play soccer like a heavyweight champ boxes, or Aaron Judge
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hits or Burrow plays quarterback. I've talked to executives in
the NFL about this before. Is so much of a
young player as confidence. Very few like Burrow walk in
and feel they're great. Even the great college players come
in and there's apprehension. When you watch Brazil play, they
know they are the most talented soccer players in the world.
They play with an absolute confidence, never bending, never, never
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for a second any self doubt, and they can do
that because they are great. Yeah, they're awesome. Yeah. J
Maack with the news, No, no, turn on the news.
This is the herd. Why are the American players that aggressive?
Because we're not that great and our players know they're
not that great. They get early Mike Tyson like in
the eighties, he would walk into the ring and you
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would see the opponent being like, damn, I'm in trouble.
That's what Brazil's like. Yesterday against South Korea was a bloodbath. Awesome,
awesome matchup. All right, let's get started here. Baker Mayfield
released obviously by the Panthers yesterday, Waiting now to see
if he's claimed off. Waivers will know in a couple
of hours. There's a report from Albert Greer, regular guest
on this show the Rams could be looking into adding Makers.
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Now that makes sense to me because Stafford's done with
the spinal bruise. John Woolford played admirably that last ankle injury,
some other injury, so they're down to Bryce Perkins, so
maybe they add Baker. But according to Foxbet, the Rams
only have the fifth best odds to sign him at
plus seven fifty. Foxbets odd makers believe the most likely
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is that he's unsigned forty nine ers are second at
plus three hundred. Well, his accuracy, which we thought out
of college, that was the big sales pitch. Yeah he's small,
Yeah he's cocky, but man, he's accurate. It was never
as good as we thought, and it is regressed badly
once he lost Cleveland's protection. So, and the Niners, for
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all their strengths, their all lines their weakness. So Brock Purdy,
who's got limitations, moves really well, Um, you know that's
that's that's I don't think it's a fifth I don't
just typothetic. Did Baker Mayfield say, Man, is it worth
it being like going to practice? Maybe I don't. Maybe
I'm inactive and I got the holidays coming up. I
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want to be my friends in my family, and I
don't want to sit on some bench and not playing
at the practice and be out of town. Like and
Darnold gets the job. Yeah, it's not going to be
there next year. He already knows that. So maybe the
coach is just like, listen, sure you want to be released,
go for it. So if he lands with the Niners, great,
Otherwise he gets the holidays off, he's still getting his
eighteen million dollars or whatever the number is. I totally
get White. I get it absolutely. Next up, the big
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news today in the NFL is the Titans fired their
GM John Robinson. He's been with them since twenty sixteen.
They've never had a losing season with him as GM.
Titans are on a two game losing street, but they
still made the hurt hierarchy somehow. Yeah, I had to
get that dig in there now. Obviously, the big stories
they just faced AJ Brown of the Eagles. AJ Brown,
I think, if I'm remembering this correctly, he wanted big
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money and the Titans are like, we're not doing that,
so they trade him to the Eagles, and of course
he plays for the Eagles and putting up monster number. Fairness,
they drafted a receiver who's had he's when he's health,
he's very good, Traylon Burks, he's been excellent. Yeah, but
he's not a J. Brown. Now he's putting a monster numbers.
So listen, Tennessee's first in the AFC seven. I just wonder, like,
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what does this do internally or does firing a GS
not mean? Really? Sometimes things seem obvious, right. Aaron Rodgers
to Tennessee seems incredibly obvious because again Aaron Rodgers going
from no receivers in Christian Watson to Tennessee. So rabels
like a guy's guy. Okay, so Rabel's sales pitch to
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Aaron very I mean, very alpha, very much a guy's
guy played in the league. As Aaron's taken the lumps
this year instead of what I believe as an average
coach in Matt Laflour, Aaron has a not an underachieving
defense in green Bay, but a great defense in Tennessee.
So Aaron gets a legit defense, a legit big time coach,
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an emerging star at receiver which he has in green Bay,
and and a division in which Houston's a mess. The
Jags are surging but to the Jags, and the Colts
don't have a quarterback. So I mean, if I'm Tennessee,
I'm looking at Burrow, I'm looking at Mahomes, I'm looking
at Alan, and I got Tannehill. It's not a fair fight.
So I think Tennessee is gonna go. And you can say, oh,
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what about what they pay him? The reality here is
Aaron salary is gonna be tough for wherever he goes
like it everywhere he goes. It's gonna be kind of tough.
But if again, if Tennessee can move want they have
a lot of defensive pieces. It's a high functioning organization.
I think, I think Aaron Is and I think Green Bay.
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If they get a pick or two. They now have
Christian Watson's a star, Aaron Jones is a star. The
offensive line is great. If you're ever gonna have Jordan
love work. This is it the most interesting thing you
said there that I didn't really think about. So Ryan
Tinhill is a gonna be a cap casualty. All the
Capologists have looked he's gonna be done in Tennessee, so
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they will be in the market for a quarterback. They
just drafted Willis, but now because it looked like he's
remotely closed. You don't go from like first place two
years in a row in the division too. Let's just
throw Malik Willis in and see what he's got. So
maybe there is some credence there. I just I don't
see why would the Packers would let him walk away. Well,
they're not gonna let him walk away. They're gonna let
his salary go and they're gonna get draft now, there'll
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be a dead cap hit for two years. But if
you're not paying Jordan Love anything, it's a wash. You're
not paying Jordan anything. So the bottom line is they're
not They're getting stuff for it. You're gonna get a first,
you may get two first a first in a second.
Look what Seattle did. Look how great Seattle looks today
with Geno Smith and all those all that cap space
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and draft hits. All you have to do is hit
on draft pick and like Romeo Dobbs and Christian Watson
both look like they were hits. Did you see Denver
has basically the number three picking the draft, which conveys
to Seattle. Right now, I mean it's bad, all right,
final story and this is just breaking. In the last
fifteen minutes, Portugal has announced that Christiano Ronaldo, one of
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the greatest players in the history of the sport, will
not start against Switzerland. Kickoff here in like twenty five minutes.
Ronaldo has been benched. Now when he came off in
the last match, apparently the manager was unhappy. Ronaldo was pouting.
He was really ticked off, and we get to come
out he can do that. Wow, I don't know if
he can't anymore. Listen man, he had burned all his
bridges in club soccer, Manchester United, get to get the
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hell out, like nobody wants to be in his business.
But the Saudis are going to be paying him two
hundred million dollars rumor to come play with them. And
now you know Ronaldo's practicing leading up and he had
lost his face like he was. I think it's hard
to be him. If I was that good looking, had
a two hundred million dollars a year job, starem in
the face, was the best soccer player in the world.
How do you not have a little attitude? I think
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it's it's it's he is literally the best looking athlete
in the world. He's going to be the richest athlete
in the world. He's the best in the world at
what he plays. The average loser who's anonymous troll on
Twitter's got an ego, This guy doesn't get one. If
I look like that and was gonna make two hundred
million dollars my last contract here, I'd be a nightmare
to deal with. You already are a nightmare for some people.
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Not me, though, Hey, Christiano Ronaldo, by the way, have
you seen the guy shirtless. This is not like not again,
he's I don't know how that dude gets so RiPP
underwear model, best soccer player, two hundred million Saudi Arabia,
best player in his country. You know, these scripts write themselves.
If they're down one nothing to Switzerland, coach Ronaldo, can
you go? And he's gonna get a goal and it's
gonna be quite. I'm just say it's easy to take
shots at him. But my takeaway is this guy is
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literally he's Brady if Brady was as good as Mahome
Lebron stuff. Remember the Lakers dealing with Lebron and he's
a headache. Like, this is what Ronaldo is for Portugal.
This is what we've done to superstar. He is I
think thirty seven years old. He has the most followers
on Instagram whatever that he is that he is one
of one in the world now in the history of
the world. I mean, it's just like the guy's like
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a model. Yeah, fives cannot get enough of this story.
Obviously it's great. You know Ronaldo bench like, oh my gosh,
the drama on social media. Fox came up to me
tomorrow and said, we're replacing you with Ronaldo. I'd be like,
I get it. I hope you can talk NFL. I
totally get it. I mean, I just think this guy
is literally a plus A plus, A plus a plus.
He's got a little bit of an ego, A little
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bit of it, little bit of an ego. I think
it comes with a territory MESSI doesn't act like this
Messi's not mess. He's not an underwear model and not
making two hundred million dollars a year next year for
Saudi Arabia. I mean that's that was just like adding,
now you're gonna pay him that? Yeah, It's like, should
just come to the MLS, take a pay cut and
then come after some cougars out here in La Okay whatever,
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Rich give me a hell. Yeah. You know. One of
the things that's fascinating. The media does this all the time,
and it kind of drives me crazy. And maybe it's
because I started a business about eighteen months ago and
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it's hard and nothing happens overnight. Right, It's just it's hard.
You make a lot of decisions, you hire some work,
some don't. It's hard. So in the media we do
this all the time. When a coach leaves a place,
all we pay attention to is the place he goes to,
and if he doesn't rebuild it immediately, we crush him.
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Lincoln Riley lost to Utah. Have you looked at Oklahoma
since he left there? In the Cheese It Bowl. Harbaugh
was getting riffed at Michigan for years. Pay attention what
happened to the Niners an hour after he left? What
happened that's Stanford? Two hours after he left. Josh McDaniels
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goes to the Raiders and gets nothing but crap from people.
Have you watched the Patriots offense since he left? Mac
Jones as a rookie engineered the number six scoring offense
in the league. This year, he should be better. They're
like twentieth and Davante Adams is about to have yards
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with Josh McDaniels that he did in any single year
with Aaron Rodgers. Josh Jacobs is already having his greatest
year and adding to it, Josh McDaniels, go look at
what happened to the place he left. The Patriots are unwatchable.
They're gonna finish fourth. They're bad, and it's because their
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offense is embarrassing and unimaginative. We do this all the time.
We watch where somebody goes and judge them harshly if
they don't win immediately. These are all small companies. I'm
doing it now, except with a really small company. All
these NFL teams. You're building a business. It's hard, really hard.
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Look how much better the Eagles are with Nick Seriani
in year two than year one. You make mistakes, you
have bad press conferences, you make a bad draft pick.
Some of your culture changing moves don't work. Like when
everybody was banging on Josh McDaniels, I'm I can see
his fingerprints all over the Raiders. Jacobs is having an
amazing year and they don't even have a good offensive line.
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The Vante Adams is getting the ball in his hands
for more yards than he is ever going to get
in Green Bay where Aaron Rodgers that is coaching in
a better conference. The AFC's much better than the NFCAT.
So we do this repeatedly, over and over and over
and over that we judge coaches or sometimes players, but
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mostly coaches. We judge them harshly only on where they
land and what they're doing now. Lincoln Riley win eleven
and two. They were four and eight last year. Oklahoma
is now in a cheese a Bowl. That's what you
got to look at, not just where you go, what
happens to the place when you leave. So for all
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of those that the Raiders have gone from eighteenth in
offense to ninth, and they've done it without their number
two and number three targets Hunter Renfro and Darren Waller
been out. How did they do that? How did they
get significantly better on offense without two of their three
top players? I mean, I like Davante Adams, but you
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can roll the coverage over, you can double team him.
Now there is no other target of note. So it's
all you have to do is go look at New
England right now and how much Mac Jones has regressed.
He was complaining about this in preseason in camp that
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he didn't like it. And think about this, Buffalo is
going to win the division, Miami is second, and right
now the Jets are better than New England. Did Belichick
forget how to coach? No? Did Mac Jones forget how
to play? No? Did they lose superstar receivers? No? Look
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at them. Look at the offensive numbers for the TV viewers.
They've all plummeted off of one reason. It's not Mac Jones,
that Jacoby Myers last year, that Stevenson last year, that
this old line last year. Not just what you're doing
at the new place. What happens to the old place.
Everywhere hardball leaves, disintegrates and its first six seven years
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at Michigan. I doesn't know what he's doing. Looks like
Ohio State doesn't know what they're doing against him. All right?
Fired up? This this World Cup has been. You know
what I love about the World Cup is it humbled us.
Not if you were realistic, but for the unrealistic American
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soccer fan, it humbled you. You needed to be humbled.
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It's been a really, really fun last three weeks. We
get the World Cup, couple of weeks ago, college football,
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the playoffs at NFL. I do feel like I kind
of feel like we have about four teams that can
win the Super Bowl, about four and then about three
or four. On the outside. San Francisco feels like they've
gone from inside the bubbles, just just just an inch
outside the bubble. Fun though. J MAC World Cup has
been tremendous. Morocco just registered the biggest win in the
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country's history over Spain and penalty kicks money on Spain.
It's a tough one. But it's these stories at the
World Cup are just incredible. Car It's been really the
story of upsets. Oh yeah, a lot of underdogs. If folks,
for American fans, we did not lose to England, many
thought that was a top six team, right, like, like
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it was really you can argue about some substitution patterns,
our penalties, our corner kicks were um not very uh
strong to do a lot of creating off the st Yeah,
our set plays were weak and our substitution patterns. But
every country is complaining about substitution patterns. If you don't
win the World Cup, everybody's coach stinks. So in the end,
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there's been uh, the world's great soccer teams are getting closer.
The countries are getting closer and closer. Yeah, like it
feels at college football this year, it feels like everybody's
getting with a transfer portal. Everybody's getting the top twelve teams.
Role it's not Alabama here, It's like, no, Georgia struggled,
should have lost to Missouri, by the way, no college
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football Saturday. But we get France versus England, and what
is gonna be tremendous much watch must watch game, like
schedule your morning around that. All right, um Nick writing
about five minutes, here we go. The Herd hierarchy. Herd
Hierarchy the top ten of NFL teams according to College
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number ten. This was the hardest spot for me. I'm
gonna take the Seahawks for two reasons. One, the offensive
line in Geno Smith. This is an offensive league and
he is number two in the NFL and passer rating.
I kind of know what I get from their quarterback
every week. That was it. They also are second in takeaways.
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They're a little young. You worry about them peaking. Can
they hit the wall, But they've five of seven and
you know they're winning these close games, which is harder
for young teams. But when I look at that old line,
I look at Geno Smith, I look at them move
the chains. I'll put Seattle at number ten, number nine.
The Titans. Listen, it's the first time they allowed over
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twenty points since Week three. They had a stinker. This
is still one of the top five coaches a great
defensive front. They do have a bad point differential because
they can't they can't blow you out offensively. But Tannehills
had a bad he had a bad game, they had
a bad week. This is still a really good team
that's gonna win their division. They're gonna they're gonna have
a home playoff game. We love Rabel, we like their defense.
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They just got boat race by a really good team
on the road. It happens. I still trust the organization.
They're ticked off. They just fired their GM. I'll put
the Titans at nine. Number eight, listen, I'll take the Vikings.
They've won nine of their last ten games. They beat
the Jets. They probably shouldn't have, but they keep winning games.
At some point, double us matter. Their defense is not
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very good. You can move the ball on this team,
though they did keep the Jets late in the game
out of the red zone. You know, at some point
double us matter, and they just keep winning most of
these close games. Number seven, I still like the Dolphins
a lot. We've got to be fair here. They were
missing their tackles against the best defense in the league.
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But Twas still leads the NFL and passer rating. It
was to his first loss on the year when he's healthy.
He also had three turnovers against the Niners, and he's
I mean, he'd had very few turnovers all seasons. So
this was a Sunday where the circumstances on the road,
you start trailing, you have to throw. You're missing your
left tackle, you're missing your right tackle. Miami is still
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going to be a playoff team capable of winning a
playoff game or two. Number six. But the Niners, even
with brock Purty, still have the best defense in the league.
I think the best young offensive coach in the league.
They've got weapons everywhere, They've got a remarkable run game. Listen,
they have the number one scoring defense. They've forced four turnovers.
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Miami didn't turn the ball over. They forced four out
of Miami. And and by the way, say what you
want about brock Purty, Kyle Shanahan has never asked his
quarterbacks to be burrowing mahomes. That's not what they asked
their quarterback to be. It's like the Phoenix Suns and
Chris Paul. They don't need him to score thirty. The
Warriors need Steph to score thirty. It's not what the
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Suns do. I think they're gonna win a lot of games,
including playoff games with brock Purty. Number five. The Cowboys,
they're playing very very well. Forty points plus in three
of their last five games. They've got six or seven
great world class athletes. Ceedee Lamb's having a season. Tony
Pollard's emerged as a star running back. There's a lot
to like about Dallas. I worry about the margins in
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the playoffs, where you have to have great play from
your quarterback. You have to have a great coach. But
they lead the NFL and sack differential. They protect their quarterback.
They go get yours the Cowboys at five, number four.
The Buffalo Bills. They're back, and they're back because they
have now built a more consistent run game. They're now
the number one seed, which is an advantage when you
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play in Buffalo without weather. One hundred thirty yards of
rushing plus in six straight games. It's not about Josh Allen.
I said it all year when I doubted them. You've
got to develop a run game before the playoffs. You're
gonna be planning in windy, snowy, wet weather. You can't
rely on Josh Allen to throw at forty five times.
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I'll put the Bills at four, number three. I'd still
take Kansas City situationally over them. But I am worried
about the Chiefs missing Tyreek Hill. Listen, we said they'd
be productive without Tyreek, they would score a lot of points.
But he is lightning, and he did fours double teams,
and he does tilt the field, and they don't offensively
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feel quite the same. Very reliant in key spots on
Travis Kelsey so outscored by Joe Burrow in the fourth quarter.
I like Kansas City a lot. I think they can
win the Super Bowl, but the Tyreek situation. Now, as
the season goes on, everybody gets filmed. What can Juju
Smith Schuster do? What can he do? I have him
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at three number two the Bengals. Do you realize that
Joe Burrow has only been sacked five times over the
last four games, and at that same time, they've developed
a run game. The offensive line has finally come together.
You don't get to Burrow, you don't hit Burrow, and
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Burrow's got a run game. Watch out, don't even have
Joe Mixon back. So the key to this thing not
that Burrows better, it's the offensive line has come together.
He's not getting hit, he's not getting sacked, and now
he's thrown on second and five and third and two.
That's what beats Kansas City. There's an element of surprise
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to the offense they did not have in the first
because he was throwing on third and eleven. He was
trailing in games, he was trailing by double digits. That's
done number one. I think we have to give it
to Philadelphia. They're blowing people out. If you go look
at Super Bowl winners the last ten years, they always
have like seven or eight blowouts. So Philadelphia. I bought
in this weekend. I was on the fence after they
blew out Tennessee. I'm in a j Brown has been
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one of the great acquisitions of the year. That can
beat you over the top. They can beat the time
of possession. I think the improvement of Jalen Hurts is unbelievable.
I think it's unbelieved. He may be the opposite of
Josh Allen. Josh is big and jumping over people. If
you go look at this kid in the biggest games
this year against Tennessee in Minnesota, He's given you three
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hundred yards throwing. He's given you seventy four percent completion percentage.
If we're going to embrace Josh Allen's massive growth, then
we got to embrace Jalen Hurts because this kid in
the biggest stages is wildly productive. He has made massive
leaps in production that I didn't think we're there. I
never saw him as this kind of quarterback in the NFL.
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He has been fantastic in big spots. With that, I
bring on Nick Wright, co host. First things first, he
is joining us now live, by the way, I'll just
start with that, all right, Listen, Sometimes I'm right, sometimes
I'm wrong. I am shocked by Jalen Hurts. I did
not see this in the NFL. What your takeaway on
what you're seeing from him? Is it? Okay? If I
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still him a little skeptically, I'm gonna be I'm gonna
be the last one on board. And that's not necessarily
in jail. And it's just the Eagles as the best
team in football, the Eagles as a juggernaut. I'm gonna
there is I've said this before. An Eagles fans will
get mad at me, but all I owe you is honesty.
That playoff performance yes last year was so bad that
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I can't get it out of my mind until I
see that coach and that quarterback in the playoffs again.
I'm holding them to the same sta I would have
held Arizona if Arizona were eleven and one this year.
After what I saw from them in the playoffs last year.
It's fun, it's nice, it's good. I need to see
in the postseason. So I am still a little skeptical
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of them overall as a team. I think you can
get to them through the air vertically if you have
time to throw the football, something Tennessee obviously couldn't do
in Tennessee when Strailon Burks went out. Doesn't have the
weapons to do. But I think Philadelphia is very good.
I also would not be surprised if they lose their
first playoff game. But the rest of the hierarchy, I'm
not gonna listen Cincinnati. You know what's nice, Colin. After
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so long people trying to create a fake rival for
Kansas City, now they have a real one. The Bengals
have earned it. Unlike Buffalo, which was anointed by losing
to the Chiefs. The Bengals have earned it. And your guy,
Joe Burrow, who I will say, you know because you've
been much higher on Cincinnati than almost anyone else. And
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you know I follow all your ventures and I know
you have a nice relationship with Joe Burrow, and I
was like, is my buddy Colin getting a little polluted
in his brain? Nope, he was right. They're really good man.
And the Chiefs couldn't get off the field, or they
couldn't get them off the field. And I give the
Bengals he mint credit. They've now beat them three times
in a row. No one's ever come close to that.
I give them massive credit. So two things I'm really
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interested in now when I talk about here is hard boss,
so har boss, quirky. He's different. I had a disastrous
interview with him. Once I apologized, you have to handle
him differently. He's got a different personality. There are, in
my opinion, about four college jobs Michigan, Texas, Georgia, USC
where I get to live in a really cool town
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and I have a massive brand and I control personnel.
There's a lot of college jobs. I couldn't convince my
wife to move to the town. Those are awesome places
to live and big brands. So that's the second best job.
If you have one of those jobs, it's the second
best football job in America. The best job is coaching
any team with mahomessh Allen Herbert Burrow. That's those are
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the best jobs. So I wouldn't leave if I was
hardball for like the Colts, would you. Well, here's the
counter argument. So I'm going to tell you something that
you probably don't know. Six years ago, I was. It
was one of my very first times filling in for
you Colin on this show. And I don't know why
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hardball was a topic, but he was. It was one
of his first really good years at Michigan, if I
remember correctly, And I said that I thought, if the
question was who was my number one pick in the
world to coach my football team, and you were not
going to tell me, was it college or pro? I said,
the answer has to be Jim Harball, because he did
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it at Stanford, got him to a top five program.
Then he almost won a Super Bowl of San Francisco,
and then he got Michigan back to more than respectability.
And then Harball obviously had some run years. And I
mean thirteen months ago Jim Harball lost to Michigan State
and some of his most ardent supporters were like, we're
done with him. He can't do it. Since then, he's
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eighteen and one and the only loss came against Georgia.
So here's what I would So I say all that
to say this, Let's say they win the title Colin
and that would have mean he beat Ohio State, then
he beat TCU, then he beat this budding dynasty in Georgia,
one of the best college football start to finish seasons
in recent memory. If he does that, if he were
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to go to the NFL and win a Super Bowl,
does he have one of the greatest football coaching resumes
of anyone in history? Absolutely, Stanford a contender, almost win
a Super Bowl with the Niners, who were more abund
with Tom Sula before he got there. Go to Michigan,
revived them, win a title. And then if he goes
and wins a Super Bowl, it's not only that his
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brother has won, but it's like, hold on a second.
You know, our friend in college Jimmy Johnson obviously did
it at both levels, but with just one program at
each level as in a dominant fashion. So I think
he's such a unique character that that challenge and that
ability to say, wait, do I have overall the best
and most unique coaching resume in the history of American football?
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If he wins this national championship, this year, he'd be
one check mark away from it. So I wouldn't be
shocked if he went to go pursue. It's a really
interesting take that. And we know he tends to be aspirational.
We know that he likes it's part of it. He's
very competitive. By the way, his brother's got a super Bowl.
Well that's the thing. So the brother having a super
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Bowl is such a unique factor in this And who
did the brother beat to win the Super Bowl? And
so like he's in this weird place where everyone is
finally giving him his flowers, particularly if they're able to
finish this thing off. Yet do like his cousins think
he's the second best coach in his own family. Maybe
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I don't know. So, like, it's a it's a weird
spot to be in. And so I think he's more
likely to leave Colin if he wins than if they lose.
I think if they lose, he comes back almost assuredly
if he wins the whole thing, especially since Michigan kind
of made him eat it and take a pay cut
not that long ago. Maybe he says, Okay, did what
I said I was gonna do. Try to go finish
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it off in the NFL. So I you know, you
and I both we have we take sides on quarterbacks.
You know, I've always said with two he's small, he's brittle.
This is n't it. But when you give him a
genius offensive coach and weapons. I've seen this with Dak.
Of course it can be successful, this is no question.
(15:47):
But I as I watched Sunday, I was like, okay,
now this left tackles out. Maybe you know now you've
got to overcome. I watched Burrow get to a super
Bowl with an atrocious offensive line that's over Brandon's. I'm
watching Justin Herbert win football games. I'm not sure the
coach knows what he's doing. Like like overcoming matters to me?
(16:07):
Do you feel like Sunday was a moment where we
could all go those of us who doubted too it
could go. See we told you, well, I'm gonna hold
off on the full victory lap until this coming Sunday, Okay,
because it is become very in vogue on you know,
with some of our best friends, Colin, you and me
(16:29):
on this network to talk about Tua versus Justin Herbert
as if oh, it's clear Ta was the right pick.
Everyone mocked the Dolphins, but they got it right. No,
they didn't, and I don't. It's unfathomable to me that
people can't get past the quarterback wins. You know, religion
(16:49):
that some people have. It even infects you of it
with some of the Jimmy G commentary, which is why
I am praying, speaking of religion, that Brock Purdy goes
on a run, because then maybe that'll finally put to
rest the quarterback wins stuff. But listen, both of these
things can be true. I think that the extremes on
the two discussion were probably both wrong at least a bit.
(17:14):
I said going into this year that I thought this
was going to be his last year as a starter.
I clearly was wrong about that. Now. The only reason
I said that was because his own team tried to
replace him twice, once with a forty five year old
and once with a guy who they didn't even know
it was going to be suspended for the year. Right,
But I was wrong about that. The folks who are
acting like he's League in MVP when he's not even
(17:38):
Dolphins team in VP, that's tyree kill. They also need
to pump the brakes a bit, and I am concerned
a bit about the cold and about the schedule. And
while I don't think the Dolphins have any real risk
of missing the playoffs, would it shock me if an
eight and three start turned into a ten and seven season,
(18:00):
And no, it would not veas is given what they
have coming up. And so I think that I can
have the humility to acknowledge he is better than I
thought he was, But I will not join anyone in
acting like him versus Herbert, or him versus Burrow is
a real discussion. To me, those two guys are in
a totally different tier. So this one's going to be interesting,
(18:21):
I would be. Um, I would regret not asking you
an NBA question? Is that I said before the season?
I said, here's what's gonna still selling Anthony Anthony Davis.
Is that what we're talking about? Hi, he's averaging fifty
a night, I think, I said, But unfortunately because of
salary caps, is that players do become like commodities and
(18:41):
a little bit like chess pieces. There is a bylow
sell high component to this stuff. Sure, um, And I said,
watch Anthony Davis be a monster in the first half. A.
This is not a championship team. And B he will
get hurt, and I know that's sort of dark and mccabre.
He is playing even better than I thought. But I
want to ask you, because it's they played great against Milwaukee.
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You know, the veterans all played a million minutes. What
would you do with Anthony Davis? Do you just sit
here write it out, cross your fingers on his health?
What do you do? Yeah? I mean I don't think
you can move on from Anthony Davis, and I think
that is a basketball reason and a non basketball reason.
The basketball reason is you can say flatly, this is
(19:26):
not a championship team, and it almost you're almost assuredly correct. However,
if we are in a world where Lebron James is
clearly your second best guy, and that is because not
because Lebron has fallen off a cliff, but because Ad
is playing the best basketball of his life and is
(19:48):
back in the argument for one of the four or
five best players in the world, well, we saw a
flawed Lakers team win a title with that recipe, except
Lebron and Ads roles flipped, and we saw it happened
just two years ago. So I'm not going to give
them a zero percent chance to win the title. That's
the basketball reason. The non basketball reason is this, Lebron
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James signed that extension with this team. And I am
not reporting this, but it would be shocking to me
if part of the negotiation and agreeing to sign that
extension was not him going to the front office and saying, you,
guys will make win now moves if we show we
(20:31):
have the ability to compete, and I believe Lebron go
what's the word promise I guess from them or commitment
from them for them to then go the other way,
and when Lebron is signing the extension and then trade
away Anthony Davis to start a rebuild when he's in
year twenty, I think would be a betrayal that the
(20:53):
Lakers don't do a lot of things right business wise,
but at the very least they do have a good
reputation still for treating their stars well. That I think
is one they couldn't overcome. So if this team was
going to be four and twenty one and one of
the worst teams in basketball, which was looking like for
a bit, then everything's on the board, because all of
a sudden they look like, at the worst a play
(21:16):
in team and at best a dangerous team in a
up and down Western conference. I don't think you can
trade Anthony Davis. That was really good. That was a
good point. Now you made me think, you'll make me.
I'll think about that, and I want you to think
of it. Can I tell you one thing before I go.
I know it's late and we only have, you know,
a few hours till the deadline. Yeah, but if there's
(21:36):
if there is a sports God, can the Niners please
claim Baker Mayfield and go on a playoff run? Please? Please?
Can that happen? It would just be the greatest, one
of the greatest moments of Colin Goward has had a
twenty plus year Hall of Fame media career. Him having
on a daily basis for three hours to deal with
(21:59):
Baker falling bass accwords into a super Bowl ready team
would be a get all the Marconi's ready. So come on, Niners,
make it happen. I don't even yeah, you and Jmack,
he's all on this. I'm you know what, It's just
I'm gonna I'm not gonna pick a side. If it happens,
it happens. I won't play favorites. See Buddy First Thing's
(22:22):
first great show after ours. God, that is just crazy.
It's crazy world, man. You never know everything that happens
in sports. KD to the Warriors, I was like, what
I mean, how Brady to the Bucks? What big stuff
has happening all the time and coming from nowhere. I'm
surprised you're not taking credit for Anthony Davis putting on
(22:45):
a jet pack and becoming an MDP candidate. You were
ready to ship in out of town, and now he's like, wait,
don't trade me. I'm putting up fifty a game with
the Laker, I said you because he got ripped by
La media, fans were ripping him. He was gonna have
a big year. But now it's just I don't like
being in situations in anything or I'm crossing my fingers.
I feel like, as a Laker fan, every time he
(23:06):
hits the floor, you're like, is he okay? Is he okay?
Every time Luca hits the floor? Do you feel that
way Janice hits the floor. I don't like finger crossing.
These guys don't have injury histories like and so you know,
the past gives you a pretty good indication of what's
going to happen in the future. So you know. But
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but the argument he made, which I think is the
really strong one. The one thing the Lakers still have
a great reputation of is they treat their stars right.
And this is a star driven league. It's a very
good point. I never thought of that. That is a
really big component here. The Lakers treat their stars well.
They couldn't get stars for like the longest time. Remember
they were whiffing on every free agent. Hey, can we
(23:47):
go back to hurt hierarchy for five seconds? So the
Tennessee Titans chicken at I believe number nine. I don't
feel great about it. I would hope not. They've lost
two games in a row and they've looked terrible in
both of them. They lost and choked at home against
the Bagels, and they got mashed by the Eagles by
twenty five points. I don't have to love everybody on
the list. I know, why would they be it? What
have they done to be worthy of number? They just
fired their GM today because I love their coach, I
(24:10):
love their culture, I like their toughness, and they've had
like this happens all the time. They've had a little
speed bump. So this is basically a participation trophy. Let's
just throw them in there, make them feel good about themselves.
They're not good, but I need to give them a
quick shout out. I have pulled back on them every week.
They were ranked higher several weeks ago. I keep pulling back. Hey,
you can't be perfect every week. A couple of whiffs
(24:31):
this week. It happens, right, It's like two we're talking
about consider both the Packers and the Jets at ten both.
Thank you for the consideration for five straight weeks. On
the Jets, you're like honorable mention All League. You're the
last guy to miss the cut. Well, by the way, um,
I was a last guy cut from my tennis team
in high school. It's done a little bit. All my
(24:52):
friends were on the team. I thought I was a lock.
I'm better now than I was. Remember when I beat
you badly a couple of years back. Don't remember? Don't
remember that? Okay at all? Fuzzy it happened. One more Herd.
The Herd streams twenty four hours a day, seven days
a week. Within the iHeartRadio app, Search Herd to listen
live or on demand whenever you like. Brazil began its
(25:12):
knockout stage in style with the return of star forward Namar,
the Brazilians piled it on in the first half. Veniss
junior Ritarlson, Lucas Bakeeta, and Namar himself all scored before
the break on their way to a decisive for one
victory over South Korea. The quarterfinals at the twenty twenty
two Feeful World Cup get underweight Friday with a pair
(25:34):
of blockbuster matchups. First, Croatia takes on Namar and the
unstoppable offense of Brazil. Then the Netherlands battle Leonel Messi
and Argentina. Coverage begins at nine Eastern on Fox in
the Fox Sports app. Brazil plays with such confidence. They
play soccer like a heavyweight champ boxes, or Aaron Judge
(25:55):
hits or Burrow plays quarterback. I've talked to executives in
the NFL about this before. Is so much of a
young player as confidence. Very few like Burrow walk in
and feel they're great. Even the great college players come
in and there's apprehension. When you watch Brazil play, they
know they are the most talented soccer players in the world.
They play with an absolute confidence, never bending, never, never
(26:21):
for a second any self doubt, and they can do
that because they are great. Yeah, they're awesome. Yeah. J
Maack with the news, No, no, turn on the news.
This is the herd. Why are the American players that aggressive?
Because we're not that great and our players know they're
not that great. They get early Mike Tyson like in
the eighties, he would walk into the ring and you
(26:42):
would see the opponent being like, damn, I'm in trouble.
That's what Brazil's like. Yesterday against South Korea was a bloodbath. Awesome,
awesome matchup. All right, let's get started here. Baker Mayfield
released obviously by the Panthers yesterday, Waiting now to see
if he's claimed off. Waivers will know in a couple
of hours. There's a report from Albert Greer, regular guest
on this show the Rams could be looking into adding Makers.
(27:02):
Now that makes sense to me because Stafford's done with
the spinal bruise. John Woolford played admirably that last ankle injury,
some other injury, so they're down to Bryce Perkins, so
maybe they add Baker. But according to Foxbet, the Rams
only have the fifth best odds to sign him at
plus seven fifty. Foxbets odd makers believe the most likely
(27:25):
is that he's unsigned forty nine ers are second at
plus three hundred. Well, his accuracy, which we thought out
of college, that was the big sales pitch. Yeah he's small,
Yeah he's cocky, but man, he's accurate. It was never
as good as we thought, and it is regressed badly
once he lost Cleveland's protection. So, and the Niners, for
(27:47):
all their strengths, their all lines their weakness. So Brock Purdy,
who's got limitations, moves really well, Um, you know that's
that's that's I don't think it's a fifth I don't
just typothetic. Did Baker Mayfield say, Man, is it worth
it being like going to practice? Maybe I don't. Maybe
I'm inactive and I got the holidays coming up. I
(28:09):
want to be my friends in my family, and I
don't want to sit on some bench and not playing
at the practice and be out of town. Like and
Darnold gets the job. Yeah, it's not going to be
there next year. He already knows that. So maybe the
coach is just like, listen, sure you want to be released,
go for it. So if he lands with the Niners, great,
Otherwise he gets the holidays off, he's still getting his
eighteen million dollars or whatever the number is. I totally
get White. I get it absolutely. Next up, the big
(28:33):
news today in the NFL is the Titans fired their
GM John Robinson. He's been with them since twenty sixteen.
They've never had a losing season with him as GM.
Titans are on a two game losing street, but they
still made the hurt hierarchy somehow. Yeah, I had to
get that dig in there now. Obviously, the big stories
they just faced AJ Brown of the Eagles. AJ Brown,
I think, if I'm remembering this correctly, he wanted big
(28:56):
money and the Titans are like, we're not doing that,
so they trade him to the Eagles, and of course
he plays for the Eagles and putting up monster number. Fairness,
they drafted a receiver who's had he's when he's health,
he's very good, Traylon Burks, he's been excellent. Yeah, but
he's not a J. Brown. Now he's putting a monster numbers.
So listen, Tennessee's first in the AFC seven. I just wonder, like,
(29:18):
what does this do internally or does firing a GS
not mean? Really? Sometimes things seem obvious, right. Aaron Rodgers
to Tennessee seems incredibly obvious because again Aaron Rodgers going
from no receivers in Christian Watson to Tennessee. So rabels
like a guy's guy. Okay, so Rabel's sales pitch to
(29:42):
Aaron very I mean, very alpha, very much a guy's
guy played in the league. As Aaron's taken the lumps
this year instead of what I believe as an average
coach in Matt Laflour, Aaron has a not an underachieving
defense in green Bay, but a great defense in Tennessee.
So Aaron gets a legit defense, a legit big time coach,
(30:04):
an emerging star at receiver which he has in green Bay,
and and a division in which Houston's a mess. The
Jags are surging but to the Jags, and the Colts
don't have a quarterback. So I mean, if I'm Tennessee,
I'm looking at Burrow, I'm looking at Mahomes, I'm looking
at Alan, and I got Tannehill. It's not a fair fight.
So I think Tennessee is gonna go. And you can say, oh,
(30:26):
what about what they pay him? The reality here is
Aaron salary is gonna be tough for wherever he goes
like it everywhere he goes. It's gonna be kind of tough.
But if again, if Tennessee can move want they have
a lot of defensive pieces. It's a high functioning organization.
I think, I think Aaron Is and I think Green Bay.
(30:48):
If they get a pick or two. They now have
Christian Watson's a star, Aaron Jones is a star. The
offensive line is great. If you're ever gonna have Jordan
love work. This is it the most interesting thing you
said there that I didn't really think about. So Ryan
Tinhill is a gonna be a cap casualty. All the
Capologists have looked he's gonna be done in Tennessee, so
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they will be in the market for a quarterback. They
just drafted Willis, but now because it looked like he's
remotely closed. You don't go from like first place two
years in a row in the division too. Let's just
throw Malik Willis in and see what he's got. So
maybe there is some credence there. I just I don't
see why would the Packers would let him walk away. Well,
they're not gonna let him walk away. They're gonna let
his salary go and they're gonna get draft now, there'll
(31:30):
be a dead cap hit for two years. But if
you're not paying Jordan Love anything, it's a wash. You're
not paying Jordan anything. So the bottom line is they're
not They're getting stuff for it. You're gonna get a first,
you may get two first a first in a second.
Look what Seattle did. Look how great Seattle looks today
with Geno Smith and all those all that cap space
(31:51):
and draft hits. All you have to do is hit
on draft pick and like Romeo Dobbs and Christian Watson
both look like they were hits. Did you see Denver
has basically the number three picking the draft, which conveys
to Seattle. Right now, I mean it's bad, all right,
final story and this is just breaking. In the last
fifteen minutes, Portugal has announced that Christiano Ronaldo, one of
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the greatest players in the history of the sport, will
not start against Switzerland. Kickoff here in like twenty five minutes.
Ronaldo has been benched. Now when he came off in
the last match, apparently the manager was unhappy. Ronaldo was pouting.
He was really ticked off, and we get to come
out he can do that. Wow, I don't know if
he can't anymore. Listen man, he had burned all his
bridges in club soccer, Manchester United, get to get the
(32:34):
hell out, like nobody wants to be in his business.
But the Saudis are going to be paying him two
hundred million dollars rumor to come play with them. And
now you know Ronaldo's practicing leading up and he had
lost his face like he was. I think it's hard
to be him. If I was that good looking, had
a two hundred million dollars a year job, starem in
the face, was the best soccer player in the world.
How do you not have a little attitude? I think
(32:56):
it's it's it's he is literally the best looking athlete
in the world. He's going to be the richest athlete
in the world. He's the best in the world at
what he plays. The average loser who's anonymous troll on
Twitter's got an ego, This guy doesn't get one. If
I look like that and was gonna make two hundred
million dollars my last contract here, I'd be a nightmare
to deal with. You already are a nightmare for some people.
(33:17):
Not me, though, Hey, Christiano Ronaldo, by the way, have
you seen the guy shirtless. This is not like not again,
he's I don't know how that dude gets so RiPP
underwear model, best soccer player, two hundred million Saudi Arabia,
best player in his country. You know, these scripts write themselves.
If they're down one nothing to Switzerland, coach Ronaldo, can
you go? And he's gonna get a goal and it's
gonna be quite. I'm just say it's easy to take
shots at him. But my takeaway is this guy is
(33:41):
literally he's Brady if Brady was as good as Mahome
Lebron stuff. Remember the Lakers dealing with Lebron and he's
a headache. Like, this is what Ronaldo is for Portugal.
This is what we've done to superstar. He is I
think thirty seven years old. He has the most followers
on Instagram whatever that he is that he is one
of one in the world now in the history of
the world. I mean, it's just like the guy's like
(34:03):
a model. Yeah, fives cannot get enough of this story.
Obviously it's great. You know Ronaldo bench like, oh my gosh,
the drama on social media. Fox came up to me
tomorrow and said, we're replacing you with Ronaldo. I'd be like,
I get it. I hope you can talk NFL. I
totally get it. I mean, I just think this guy
is literally a plus A plus, A plus a plus.
He's got a little bit of an ego, A little
(34:24):
bit of it, little bit of an ego. I think
it comes with a territory MESSI doesn't act like this
Messi's not mess. He's not an underwear model and not
making two hundred million dollars a year next year for
Saudi Arabia. I mean that's that was just like adding,
now you're gonna pay him that? Yeah, It's like, should
just come to the MLS, take a pay cut and
then come after some cougars out here in La Okay whatever,
(34:45):
Jame act for the news, Well, that's the news And
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Rich give me a hell. Yeah. You know. One of
the things that's fascinating. The media does this all the time,
and it kind of drives me crazy. And maybe it's
because I started a business about eighteen months ago and
(35:52):
it's hard and nothing happens overnight. Right, It's just it's hard.
You make a lot of decisions, you hire some work,
some don't. It's hard. So in the media we do
this all the time. When a coach leaves a place,
all we pay attention to is the place he goes to,
and if he doesn't rebuild it immediately, we crush him.
(36:14):
Lincoln Riley lost to Utah. Have you looked at Oklahoma
since he left there? In the Cheese It Bowl. Harbaugh
was getting riffed at Michigan for years. Pay attention what
happened to the Niners an hour after he left? What
happened that's Stanford? Two hours after he left. Josh McDaniels
(36:38):
goes to the Raiders and gets nothing but crap from people.
Have you watched the Patriots offense since he left? Mac
Jones as a rookie engineered the number six scoring offense
in the league. This year, he should be better. They're
like twentieth and Davante Adams is about to have yards
(37:00):
with Josh McDaniels that he did in any single year
with Aaron Rodgers. Josh Jacobs is already having his greatest
year and adding to it, Josh McDaniels, go look at
what happened to the place he left. The Patriots are unwatchable.
They're gonna finish fourth. They're bad, and it's because their
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offense is embarrassing and unimaginative. We do this all the time.
We watch where somebody goes and judge them harshly if
they don't win immediately. These are all small companies. I'm
doing it now, except with a really small company. All
these NFL teams. You're building a business. It's hard, really hard.
(37:45):
Look how much better the Eagles are with Nick Seriani
in year two than year one. You make mistakes, you
have bad press conferences, you make a bad draft pick.
Some of your culture changing moves don't work. Like when
everybody was banging on Josh McDaniels, I'm I can see
his fingerprints all over the Raiders. Jacobs is having an
amazing year and they don't even have a good offensive line.
(38:08):
The Vante Adams is getting the ball in his hands
for more yards than he is ever going to get
in Green Bay where Aaron Rodgers that is coaching in
a better conference. The AFC's much better than the NFCAT.
So we do this repeatedly, over and over and over
and over that we judge coaches or sometimes players, but
(38:32):
mostly coaches. We judge them harshly only on where they
land and what they're doing now. Lincoln Riley win eleven
and two. They were four and eight last year. Oklahoma
is now in a cheese a Bowl. That's what you
got to look at, not just where you go, what
happens to the place when you leave. So for all
(38:54):
of those that the Raiders have gone from eighteenth in
offense to ninth, and they've done it without their number
two and number three targets Hunter Renfro and Darren Waller
been out. How did they do that? How did they
get significantly better on offense without two of their three
top players? I mean, I like Davante Adams, but you
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can roll the coverage over, you can double team him.
Now there is no other target of note. So it's
all you have to do is go look at New
England right now and how much Mac Jones has regressed.
He was complaining about this in preseason in camp that
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he didn't like it. And think about this, Buffalo is
going to win the division, Miami is second, and right
now the Jets are better than New England. Did Belichick
forget how to coach? No? Did Mac Jones forget how
to play? No? Did they lose superstar receivers? No? Look
(39:56):
at them. Look at the offensive numbers for the TV viewers.
They've all plummeted off of one reason. It's not Mac Jones,
that Jacoby Myers last year, that Stevenson last year, that
this old line last year. Not just what you're doing
at the new place. What happens to the old place.
Everywhere hardball leaves, disintegrates and its first six seven years
(40:20):
at Michigan. I doesn't know what he's doing. Looks like
Ohio State doesn't know what they're doing against him. All right?
Fired up? This this World Cup has been. You know
what I love about the World Cup is it humbled us.
Not if you were realistic, but for the unrealistic American
(40:42):
soccer fan, it humbled you. You needed to be humbled.
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