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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
This is the best of the Jason Smith Show with
Mike Harmon on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Hey gradyes to welcome in a beautiful Friday night Championship night.
Here Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith Show with me Mike Harmon.
There's no Jason Smith tonight off gallivanting in a winter wonderland,
and instead we got our guys, Arnie Span your broadcasting
legend at stinkin Genius one in the Twitter Verse, a

(00:52):
man's sweating myriad bets reel and imagined each and every night.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
Arnie, Welcome in. It's I thought I.

Speaker 5 (01:02):
Was driving Tonight's okay, no big deal.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
We'll get you want to be disconnected. We can do
this quickly. Steve de Seger's over there at the news desk.
I'm sure be happy to cut off your microphone and
take over.

Speaker 5 (01:15):
You always get back when I say that, Oh no.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
Get my head. We just have to, you know, live
in reality.

Speaker 5 (01:21):
No, we're good man. I'm excited. It's like the calm
before the storm. The championships tomorrow one tonight. Of course,
a wholestle of NFL games on Sunday, though the playoff
phrase isn't so good in the AFC, to be honest
with you, not a lot of intrigue there. But there's
still a lot of good games on Sunday. So it's
a lot of good action coming up this weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Well, as I always joke with the guys, we celebrate
all two hundred and seventy two of them because once
they go away, all we do is complain that they're
not there. Yes, right, we don't have football games to pick.
You don't get to tick Plank off by making fun
of the Raiders or talk about the Dolphins and all
of those things that you do. Yes, Arnie and Plank

(02:05):
every Sunday night here Fox Sports Radio eight o'clock Pacific time,
eleven Eastern is where you find them. And Arnie gracious
enough to join us here on a beautiful Friday night,
we got NBA action, the Hawks and the Lakers getting
after it. They are in overtime, Hawks take a four
point lead. Lebron James is on the court, though Arnie

(02:26):
there was a lot of rumored speculation that he was
gonna do an operation shutdown because he showed up on
the injury report earlier today. So it looks like the
quest for eighty two remains.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
You know, I saw that video where it looks like
he's playing on one leg, that he's just you know,
not putting a full effort in on defense. I know
he wasn't the defensive jugger, not in his later years,
but he's he's like eighty percent of Lebron, which is
good enough in the NBA nowadays, Michael, you don't have
to be one hundred percent in today's NBA the score points.
So he's he's doing enough. But that team needs a

(02:58):
lot of help. They got they got to get younger.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Well, we're talking about it a little bit with Rick
Buker last last night Wednesday night, Wednesday night, just about
the idea of how many guys you really have on
this roster that you like? Yeah, I mean, really, if
you're talking about building a team and rolling through, you
got Reeves, you got connect and then you've got the
elder Statesmen that have been playing thirty five to forty

(03:21):
minutes a night. So that's kind of where you're at,
and you try to fill it in from there. And
when Ad and Lebron have to run out thirty five
to forty minutes every night, it's a recipe for disaster
long term.

Speaker 6 (03:32):
And you know that.

Speaker 5 (03:33):
You know what's a recipe for disaster is when you're
playing a little bit over five hundred ball and there's
another team ahead of you or equal with you that
said that they want to go ahead and get a superstar,
like the Golden State Warriors. So could you imagine if
Golden State was able to pull off a trade for Giannis,
just just hand them the NBA trophy. You might as
well just just give him the NBA trophy.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
Look at you, just jumping ahead in the storyline. Did
you put that there? Well, you know what bother emails
that get.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
Sent to you.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
You didn't. You didn't send me my five pages of notes.
I went.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
I was out all day with my daughter at a
at a big soccer thing, and I'm like, all right,
one of the the yellow legal pad.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Pages I get.

Speaker 5 (04:13):
I sent it to you.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
No, I think you fell asleep.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
I sent you the yellow.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Now get I got nothing from you. I got a
I can send it. I've got all sorts of stories.
So at eight o'clock this morning, right before I'm getting
in the car, I.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
Actually I see it here to you, and justin I I.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
Still say you're a liar.

Speaker 7 (04:39):
Well, normally Arnie comes down Mount Sinai with the two
tablets to go.

Speaker 5 (04:44):
Yeah, ready to ready, with all the time for the.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
Third one, and then he drops another one. So there
you have it. Uh, yeah, there you go. I see it.

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landscape here onward to Grandma's house or whatever your winter
holiday holiday holiday respite may be also a championship Friday
here Arnie as Boise State tries to shut everybody up,
taking the wood to unlv here early third quarter. Genti
one hundred and fifty yards on eighteen carries, including a

(05:46):
seventy five yard touchdown run in the first half. You
know his Heisman odds have after the first half performance
that he put up. You had a fourteen carries one
hundred and thirty four yards in that score. At halftime,
his odds went from twelve to one to six to one.
To try to chase down Travis Hunter.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
I saw the seventy five yard run right before the half.
I mean that put him way over you, like you said.
I mean, he's a lot of fun to watch. How
about is this guy for real when you play big
time Thomas? I know he did it against Oregon, he
had like one hundred and ninety something yards. I'd like
to see what he can do against talent like that.
Once we get into the playoffs, they're gonna go ahead

(06:25):
win this game. They're an intriguing team. Are they good
enough to go ahead and pull like a first round upset?
Especially if they are match up with the right team
in the first round. I can't wait for the playoffs.
This is exactly what we wanted when we got twelve
teams to begin with.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
Yeah, all of it. We just wanted a little bit
of juice to it right. Four teams.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
We always had the debates and let's face it, as
we talked about for years, aren't Hee you filling in?
And what Smith and I do? And obviously the shows
you do with Chris playing man, it's a TV show.
So where do we find some intrigue? Where do we
find some underdogs? And certainly when we try to extrapolate further,
I mean a lot of attention, a lot of dollars

(07:06):
and eyeballs and everything, as we do with the National
Football League, it's how do we find those diamonds in
the rough, those guys that are going to translate to
the next level. And the one thing I love, I mean,
the guy's a fire plug five nine, two fifteen is
what he weighs in. When we talk about Ashton genty
and you know he bounces off would be tacklers and

(07:26):
again you could go through the schedule and and do
the well, these are not you know, the big boys
as it were, Its like well, looks like a guy
that's more than willing to create enough contact and he
can burst. He's got to burst at the second level. Right,
So how does that translate in today's day in the NFL?

(07:47):
As we watch a little bit of a regression back
to football that you and I grew up with before
Dan Marino and all those guys started changing up the
landscape bombing the ball all over the place. Is running
the football, playing defense and kicking field goals, particularly with
everybody now having or most teams anyway a competent field

(08:09):
goal kicker and keep see, I have to be careful
with this because I'm making fun of the Bears while
I do it. You know, competent field goal unit that
can a get a kickoff but be actually complete the
process from fifty plus yards.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
So running backs are becoming more viable again.

Speaker 5 (08:27):
Oh and you know what's great about him is he'll
be a steal for somebody. The reason why you'll have
the two quarterbacks be being taken ahead of him. I
think they'll be three wide receivers, one defensive player. Somebody's
gonna get him at like number nine or number ten. Usually,
if the quarterbacks weren't so overvalued. He'd be right up there,
top five, maybe number four, but he'll drop down like

(08:47):
nine to ten. Somebody will get a bargain. Somebody may
trade up for him. Maybe he'll be a good team,
not necessarily with a bad record, you know, somebody looking
for a running back, so somebody will get a bar
getting with him inside the top ten.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah, I've seen some mock drafts that have him falling
into the the middle of the round where where at
present you you'd be maybe looking at the Cowboys would
find their next guy. They're at the current rate right
they're what twelve, thirteenth. Okay, remember there's a there's as
bad as they are. There's a lot of bad teams

(09:24):
here in the National Football League right now. They would
be thirteenth at five and seven.

Speaker 5 (09:28):
Well, he'd be a perfect fit there. There's no way
fans or buts about that.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
We know, beyond the shadow of a doubt, you need
a running back. But you know, the other thing is
you always have to look at how many teams can
finally just pause and put that pause button and say
we actually need to build infrastructure. You know, alignement on
either side of the ball. Has so many teams issue
that Bears and go find the other shiny toy. As

(09:55):
much as I love my guy Roma Dune say, the
bottom line is giving give the Bears another offensive lineman.
Maybe it solves some of the eels.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
Again. I'm wishing and hoping out of Friday Night. It's
the Christmas season.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
I can hope for that, right, Isn't that what all
those Hallmark and Lifetime movies tell me?

Speaker 5 (10:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (10:13):
No, I wish hard enough somebody my life to change it.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
Everybody does those Hallmark movies now, man, everybody does Christmas. No,
no matter what network you're on, you go ahead and
see it all over the place. It's gotten out of control.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
I'm starting to write a few for us man, you know,
lead lead roles for the Motley Crew that I got
assembled here.

Speaker 5 (10:34):
My wife loves it. She gets sucked in every time.
She's like, I'm going to bed next together, Like four
hours later, she's already in movie number two and getting
sucked into these things. And the acting's absolutely horrible.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
In other words, you've also been sucked into them for
those four hours.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
Yeah, but trying to biery the lead.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
You tried to sideswipe it and say no, it's all
my wife, and they're like, well, but the acting is
terrible and the scripts are bad.

Speaker 5 (10:58):
I'm just thinking, why am I not in it? Why
have I not? Like the innkeeper that says the guy
comes up, he goes, where did Susie go?

Speaker 7 (11:05):
I go?

Speaker 5 (11:05):
She was mad at you and she went to the airport.
She said she's done with you. No, it's a misunderstanding.
That was just my cousin. That wasn't another girl. Oh well,
get in my pickup truck. I'll throw the axe on
the ground and we'll race to the airport. I know
the guy that works the TSA, he'll stop her from
getting on the plane.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
You just went full love triangle and then you ended
it with a guy with an axe. The hell are
we doing here? As we just get started here on
a beautiful Friday, I would be remiss if we didn't
talk about the other championships that are out there. We
got Conference USA and we've got the American Athletic Championship,
Army up twenty eight to seven over Tulane. And what's

(11:47):
always fun and exciting when you get into the Army
box scores is that, well you don't see passes thrown.
As we sit here six thirteen left in the third
bryce and daily at halftime it had thrown zero passes.
With the twenty one seven leave, he's up to two
for two for seventeen yards for the Black Knights as

(12:09):
they're up twenty eight to seven in that one. We
talked about the Boise State UNLV game twenty one nothing there,
So you know you've got burials across in these different
conference title games. I was open for a little bit
of excitement, chaos on a Friday night.

Speaker 6 (12:27):
Yeah, wish you.

Speaker 5 (12:27):
Yet any Yeah, there was none out there. What would
how crazy would that be if like Army, like back
in the old days, start going through the tournament and
winning this thing, and jezus, I wonder if people just
start jumping aboard and in the you got all the
cadets and everything, How crazy would that be?

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Always got to love at Jacksonville State all over Western
Kentucky as well. It's fifty two twelve in that one,
Boise State twenty one nothing, middle of the third, Army
over two lane, twenty eight seven.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
So we'll keep you a prize to those.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
We've got the Lakers three point lead over the Hawks
in the final minute of the overtime period. There as well.
We've got other NBA games. It's a full slate here,
Arnie Spanier. Next hour, Rich Hornberger jumps in talking a
little college football, little National Football League. But coming up
next we'll stay with the college football playoff because it's

(13:20):
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was over. Now we're just getting warmed up. And you
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back in our lives. We'll talk all about that as
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Speaker 2 (14:43):
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Speaker 3 (14:54):
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Speaker 4 (14:59):
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Speaker 5 (15:29):
Forever absolutely my friend.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
In the line of Arnie Spanier greeting cards coming to
a store near you. In twenty twenty five, you had
a big opportunity with the the UNLV Rebels finally moving
the ball on Boise State. They get turned away at
the doorstep, turnover on downs in the red zone, and
then we.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
Get a massive shot.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
You were during the break arguing about a call under
the basket the Hawks and the Lakers. In overtime, Lebron
James a chase down block which was eventually ruled that
it was off the Hawks player.

Speaker 5 (16:09):
Impossible to see that. I don't care. You could slow
it down to the Milsex well.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
And it was a long review and it's the antithesis
of what you're trying to do in a review process.
But after extended looks, replays, et cetera, the ball was
awarded to the Lakers. Ad gets filed, but you finally
have a huge Tray Young three point shot that ultimately
gives the Hawks a huge home win. Lebron with the

(16:36):
last second three point shot. It goes away and missus
a heavy ball that he hit off the back iron. So, yes,
the Lakers with a big loss. And I can't wait
for the JJ Reddick post.

Speaker 5 (16:53):
What's it gonna say?

Speaker 6 (16:54):
We were horrible?

Speaker 5 (16:55):
It's unacceptable. We were a joke today. Because it's good.
Their defense is pathetic. I mean they they're giving up
one hundred and thirty four points. I know it was overtime,
and they gave up a wide oh out of everybody
on that team, a wide open three point shot to him,
so to Trey Young. I don't even know what they
were thinking at that point. And they lose this game.

(17:16):
They let this one slip right through their fingers.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
You got seventeen points off the bench between Christy and Russell.
But here here's the crux of it. All five starters
and double figures. You shoot nearly fifty two percent from
the floor. Anthony Davis for the night, thirty eight, ten
and eight.

Speaker 6 (17:34):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Lebron goes thirty nine, ten and eleven, and you lose
to the Hawks.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
You give up one hundred and thirty four points.

Speaker 5 (17:44):
You know what, you know what Lebron's saying in the
locker room right about he's getting into the locker room
right about now, he's walking over to JJ Reddick, and
before jj Reddick had address the team, he whispers in
his ear, get Yannis now and walks away.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Are you obsessed with Giannis and Tanna coopon tonight? That's
the second reference. We're twenty five minutes into the show.

Speaker 5 (18:07):
He's a superstar and he could think what he would
do to the Lakers.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
Let me ask you, let me riddle the Arnie is
a freaking the sheets that that is.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
You know, we know Arnie's past movie history too, justin
in his head. Yeah, no, No, He's talked about this
quite openly. Right, didn't you appear in some kind of
never really wasn't gandalous film?

Speaker 4 (18:30):
Or it was it never actually released.

Speaker 5 (18:32):
It wasn't porn or anything. Goes like, you know, one
of the.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
The kids are still up?

Speaker 6 (18:35):
What do you know?

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Yeah, I mean you went right down the deep dark path.
I mean, we use we have expansive language skills here
on the show, Arnie Spaniards.

Speaker 5 (18:44):
It was my only fans account.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
I'm sorry well, I mean, I have no doubt that
that that exists in an alternate universe, no question about that.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
Tough loss for the Lakers.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Will keep an eye on the post game for for
some of the audio, because we saw Reddick after the
last game talking about you know, I'm not gonna blame
the players, but but and for you, I mean, you
made a career out of calling out Laker fans.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
So we got that going in the background as well.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Championship Night in the collegiate world, at least the first
few college play championship games are tonight. We've got a
lot of the big boys, and we'll pick some games
and have some fun with that as we talk it
up a little later, Arnie. But the other thing that
goes on during this process, and we've watched it for
several weeks, but now that it's actually you know, the

(19:36):
winning time as it were, is these rankings come together
for the college football Playoffs. You got everybody doing their
stump speeches like it's the political season all over again.
Right that we just went through SMU coach Rhet Lashly. Hey,
you know, we're number eight in the latest College Football
Playoffs selection rankings, so we should be in the twelve
team field. No matter what happens, they'll face off against

(19:58):
number seventeen Clemson. Davoswiney. After the early struggles for Clemson,
they've rallied back now nine and three in opportunity to
go and win the title game and create a bit
of chaos, because whenever you have the concept of three
loss teams making the playoffs, is even if it were

(20:20):
in year one and it's still proof of concept, has
people outraged. But I wanted to throw this out you
as well. Tennessee Athletic director Danny White, he loves it right.
Expand to twelve, let's go to sixteen. It's all fine
and good. Here's the thing, though, quote with respect to
this process, I'd like to see us be a little
more objective. I don't think there's anything wrong with the

(20:42):
ranking system of the old BCS. So talking about the
eye test, the idea that you would watch these teams
and do the which one of these is not like
the other, in addition to all your strength of schedule
and all the other rankingstistical data that you can spit
out just saying no, no, no, no, let's put it all

(21:04):
in and get our all knowing algorithm to spit out
the twelve teams and remove the human eye test. Arnie Spaniard,
are you in favor of robot Overlorns for this process?

Speaker 6 (21:17):
No?

Speaker 5 (21:18):
Absolutely not. There's no way. I can't. First of all,
I can't trust a computer. There's too many times that
will say are you crazy? And we'll say, how did
this team get number three when they're not even in
the top ten. I'm not gonna do that. It's really
not that difficult. I don't even know why people are
making a big deal about this. They're only to me.
In my opinion is the controversy is if Alabama's going

(21:38):
to get in, and Alabama's going to get in, they're.

Speaker 6 (21:41):
Going to get in over Miami. Miami won't.

Speaker 5 (21:43):
Alabama will be like a what a eleven seed or
something to that effect, maybe a ten seed. But they
have three losses. I'm not outraged about that. It's made
for TV show, like you said, so I would put
in Alabama also a great fan base, good following, a
good team. They also have more wins against top ten

(22:05):
teams or top twenty teams than Miami. They've done a
good job. Yeah, they lost Oklahoma embarrassing fashion, but that's
still only controversy in my eyes, if Alabama should make
it over the other ones.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah, I mean they have a couple of bad losses
on the schedule. I mean, Vanderbilt ended up as a
five hundred team. You had the loss to Tennessee and
then obviously the twenty four to three loss to Oklahoma,
and I know I had to tune in and hear
a little of Plank talking about that one, and you know,
rushing the field and everything where you had myriad members

(22:39):
of the Oklahoma community going.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
You got to give him to grace.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
I mean, we're not used to this this, We're not
used to seasons like this. I wish I had that
kind of problem, aren't he?

Speaker 4 (22:50):
That game?

Speaker 5 (22:50):
By the way, my teams, that game may be the
reason why Milroe comes back for another year at Alabama
at quarterback. He was horrible. That's absolutely horrible. Now, maybe
they've forgot about the game, and one game movie shouldn't
define you, but he might have thought about, like, I'm
not ready for the NFL, and he's probably not. He
could certainly use another year. You know, we've always talked

(23:12):
about does the NFL do a good job developing quarterbacks?
The answer is no, he could certainly do another year
of starting.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Well, I think a lot of it comes back to Arnie.
I mean a lot of times when you're getting drafted
in the first round of the NFL draft, let's call
it what it is. If you're going near the top
of the draft, you're going to an organization generally speaking,
not in every case, but generally speaking, you're talking about
organizations and teams bereft of talent. So you're gonna be

(23:42):
the building block. And suddenly, while that clock is ticking,
you're supposed to go play meaningful snaps, try to be
a savior as things get built around you, whereas you know,
for all its faults, you know, and again not to
make it all about me, but well sometimes it is
is you know, you look at the Bears.

Speaker 5 (24:01):
And so you're talking about Bears.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Yeah, I mean seven wins a year ago. Defense came
alive after Eberflues took over there or whatever. But late
game situations down distance decision making clearly catastrophic. We've we've
documented that for weeks here on the program.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
And and for.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Me, you know, for three years, if anybody had listened
to me with my bullhorn since Ebraflues was hired. But
all of that to say, Capleb Williams comes into probably
one of the greatest situations that you have for Jayden
Daniels a little bit of the same thing in Washington.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
You may not like.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Anybody individually beyond Terry McLaurin in terms of their skill
position players, but it's undeniable that you at least had
complimentary pieces that could go to work now second half
of the year and down the stretch. Here we'll see
what Kingsbury's offense is. They got a nice little bounce
back last week with the forty two point performance after

(24:57):
a couple of weeks of kind of sliding backwards. Are
But all of that to say, you know, extra games
at the collegiate level, where you can also go make
millions of dollars from your nil collective, right right, all
of those things, you know, we we just don't have
patience at the NFL level. We expect guys to be
able to go in and compete immediately, and it doesn't

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necessarily ever get that chance to slow down. I mean,
look at look at what just a couple of games
of all right, sit down, let's re regroup, Let's look
at film. Look what Bryce, young, much different player just
taking a couple of weeks to just pause and reset things.
But that's not a grace that's shown many young quarterbacks.

Speaker 6 (25:39):
No, you know.

Speaker 5 (25:40):
I also I wrote a topic that we should talk
about young players that are on bad teams that we
don't think about twice, but if they were on a
good team, they'd be playing so much better. One thing
I wanted to back up to you, we're talking about
your Bears. Aren't you the least bit excited about the
rumors that Bezos wants to buy the Bears. I mean,

(26:00):
he's got all the whatever you have in your pocket
is less what he has.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
He has all the money in the world out I
think I think we uh the Bears and Bezos just
took him out. But all of that to say is,
you know, rumor, conjecture, speculation, Bezos or anybody else coming
over the top family business curiosity as to to if

(26:26):
and when that actually would come to fruition of the
hallis McCaskey family actually deciding to opt out on a
revenue stream that is just so immense.

Speaker 5 (26:39):
You may go, yes, you do make but sometimes when
the when the teams passed down you know, uh, just
like they were in Buffalo when Ralph Wilson passed away.
They couldn't sell that team fast enough to the Pegulas.
I mean it took like a day. I mean, certainly
it took like less than a year to get that done.
Some some people want to keep it like they do
up in Seattle. Some people want to get rid of it.

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I don't know what situation they would be in.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
Well, I mean, you've seen all the mccaskey's work there.
You know, Yes, that's true, right, whether they stayed around
or the family business decided to excize them. Think whatever
you will of George and Company. I meane George. I'm
convinced part of the reason that they actually got rid
of Eberflus Arni was that he was doing a lot

(27:22):
of work in the parking lots and tailgates and shaking
hands and kissing babies. I think he gave a couple
of fans his phone number, so when everything went down
on Thanksgiving, he started getting notices from the fans. And
look at all this great Thanksgiving spread and you ruined it.
Eberflus ruined it. He's gotta go.

Speaker 5 (27:40):
Yeah, he had to go anyway, just the way that
last two of the way the games ended, the frustration
just mounted the way the Bears let the situation go.
That was wrong also, but it doesn't really make a difference.
They got rid of him and it's time to move on.
So we'll see who they go with next.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
Yeah, I mean, but back to the issue at hand.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
I mean, when we're talking about the college football playoffs, see.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
How you derailed things out.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
For that.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah, all right, let's get back on course for a
minute here before we bring in Steve de Sager to
update us on what's going on here. Is just the
the idea, I like the mix, right, we need some
computer modeling, but you're not going to get every variable included.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
They're in right.

Speaker 5 (28:22):
That will never happen because they want to be able
to decide to put like a team, Mike, Alabama, But
it just did.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Right.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
There's a lot of things unless you're going to go
into sales and marketing and everything else. Because Alabama, whatever
they are on the field, there's a lot of folks
that are gonna hate watch other SEC programs and then
the nation at large because there they are again, and.

Speaker 5 (28:46):
Mike, if it wasn't Alabama, whoever the next team up
was with three losses, should get it anyway? Who am
I going to give it to? Am I going to
give it to one of the other one Big conferences?

Speaker 6 (28:55):
No?

Speaker 5 (28:55):
Am I going to give it to another Big ten
team though they already got four? Am I going to
give it to a Big twelve? Hea know they don't
deserve a second bit out there? So who am I
really going to give it to? There's really no controversy
in this. It deserves to go to another SEC. Whoever's
the next team up? And that just happened to be Alabama.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
Yeah, And I think the ultimate line that came out
of all of this comes from our own executive producer,
Justin Frosberg, who said, for Miami, you lost to Syracuse,
Yes they did. You had the opportunity, it was on
your platewaw narrow escapes early in the season, and then
ultimately when it mattered when you needed you know, the

(29:35):
rubber meets the road, you lose and give up a
twenty one dozering lead in a big spot. He's already
spander in for Jason Smith. That's stinking genius one where
you find him eight o'clock Pacific Sunday nights, alongside Chris Blank,
our buddy there out of Oklahoma. You find me over
at on Twitter at Swollen Dolme, at Blue Sky, at

(29:55):
Mike Harmon. Yes, I got to get my name there
and eventually we'll start posting some chaos there as well
to draw you in. But first, hey, let's go to
the news desk, because we've got a man he's all knowing.
He's like the great and all powerful Oz. He is
Steve Desager.

Speaker 8 (30:10):
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
By the way, you.

Speaker 8 (30:14):
Talked about the quote of we should just go back
to the BCS days and have computers to say no, no,
This is a step backward. The immediate first thing I
thought of about twenty years ago. Do you recall when
Pete Carroll was at USC, they were ranked number one
in both polls and were not selected for the National
Championship camp. So Nick Saban won a title with LSU

(30:37):
without having to face Pete Carroll's USC team in the final.

Speaker 5 (30:40):
They beat Oklahoma instead.

Speaker 8 (30:41):
SC was twelve and one that year, and the one
loss was in triple overtime against Aaron Rodgers at CAL.

Speaker 6 (30:49):
That was it. Wow.

Speaker 8 (30:50):
It was a stunning run for USC. And remember it
was seven straight BCS Bowl games, most of them Rose Bowls,
all of them wins except for that last second loss
to Texas. But despite being number one, and some still
voted them. Coaches like Lou Holtz and others still voted
them number one after their Rose Bowl win, they were

(31:11):
not selected. The computers did not select a team that
went twelve and one for the national title game.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Yet East Coast bias didn't like the Pack ten any.

Speaker 8 (31:21):
God, he's got computers.

Speaker 6 (31:23):
Well.

Speaker 8 (31:24):
College football tonight we have three conference championship games on
Fox TV. It's now early fourth quarter at the cold
of Boise And yeah, a lot of cold weather for
the three games tonight, Upper twenties and boise Ia tenth rag.
Boise State leads twenty one to nothing over twenty oneth
rank UNLV early in the fourth Superstar running back Ashton
Gentia the Broncos twenty six carries one hundred and eighty

(31:46):
three yards in a touchdown that includes the seventy five
yard TD in the first half. The American Athletic Conference
Championship is at number twenty four. Army Cadets lead TWU
Lane twenty eight to seven early in the fourth and
the Conference USA title game, also about thirty degrees, went
to Jacksonville State at home in Alabama against Western Kentucky

(32:07):
fifty two to twelve. The final playoff bracket will be
announced this Sunday along with the bowl matchups. Utah States
new coach is Bronco Menden Hall with a six year
contract after one season in New Mexico. He's a former
BYU as well as Virginia coach. Georgia Tech gave coach
brank kea new contract through twenty twenty nine. Arkansas State

(32:28):
extended the contract of coach Butch Jones through twenty twenty nine.
Oklahoma State offered coach Mike Gundy a reduced contract and
it wants to put the savings toward nil money. Oklahoma
State was zero to nine in conference this year. Among
the NFL notes, Jets running back Breasee Hall expected to
be out this weekend, as his defensive back Sauce Gardner

(32:48):
and Eagles wide receiver DeVante Smith will return Sunday from
a hamstring injury. The Mets are signing pitcher Clay Holmes
as a starter. He was a reliever with the Yankees
in men's college basketball eight minutes to go. Number nineteen.
Illinois leads at Northwestern forty six to forty. In the NBA,
Atlanta won at six straight game, beating the Lakers in

(33:09):
overtime one thirty four, one thirty two, Yeah whatever. Trey
Young thirty one points and twenty assists, including a late
three pointer Indiana and Sacramento with wins Philadelphia and Boston
as well. Celtics are nineteen and four after edging Milwaukee
one eleven, one oh five. Jason Tatum with thirty four points.
Back to you, Thanks so much, Steve.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
The im modest proposal coming up next, Yes, it came
up earlier this week. Already be is being shot down,
but I'd sleep with one eye open. We'll tell you
what all of that is about next. As we come
to you from the tirac dot Com. Fox Sports Radio Studios,
it's Spaniard in for Jason Smith on Mike Carmen and this.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
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Speaker 3 (33:57):
Greetings, A welcome man, blessed to be with you on
a beautiful Friday night here Fox Sports Radio. The team's
fully in assemblance. We've got our guy Alex ty Shirt
manning the boards and making us sound so pretty. We've
got Justin Frossberg, our executive producer, Steve Disager. You heard
him at the news desk with all the updates on
the night already span your in for Jason Smith. I'm
Mike Carmen. Thanks for spending a few minutes of your

(34:19):
Friday night with us. Wherever you're going, however you're getting around, traffic, weather,
all of those things, chaos on a Friday night.

Speaker 5 (34:27):
Will traffic pretty bad there on a Friday night?

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Yeah, it's Los Angeles. I mean, what are you gonna do?
I just met in general. Wasn't gonna say woe is me.
We had those conversations off air. We're related to individual
circumstance around here, because you know, there's always a high
speed chase or something that we're clocking as you well know, Arnie,
as we roll through on a Friday night. But you know,

(34:50):
we appreciate folks for giving us a little bit of
their time. You know, there's plenty of options out there,
so we we want to make sure you know everybody he.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
Feels the love.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
One guy who wasn't Rob Mamford, everything he says usually
is met with the raspberries. The latest, the golden at
bat idea that was proffered earlier this week started to
leak out the idea of at any point once a game,
you had the opportunity to just say, hey, you know what,
I want this guy into my lineup now, regardless of

(35:25):
where he is in order, etc. I mean, obviously you
have a lot of logistical questions of how you make
this work. Right If the guy's on second base, do
you suddenly get a ghost runner that gets to run
in for him and then he goes back to the plate.
If he just struck out, fly out, whatever, maybe just
hit a home run, does he get to go right
back up to the plate.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
Right stare at you again?

Speaker 3 (35:46):
All of those things to say, Rob Mamford quote, to
go from the conversation states to actually showing up in
MLB is a very long road. You don't like the idea,
I wouldn't be too concerned about it right now. In
other words, let's throw stuff against walls, see which way
the winds blow and and how people responded. If nothing else,
it made for some great little scenario drivings. And I'm

(36:08):
sure the AI bots had some fun with it as well,
aren't he. But the fact that before we even start
the winter, you know, the owner's meetings and everything. As
we get to free agency, the next stage is Soto
and everything else, it's kind of funny. It's like, no, no, no, no,
I just it's done. Don't bring it up anymore. Well,
and we're throwing this away.

Speaker 5 (36:30):
A couple of things on this. You know, I was
actually up when it came out Wednesday morning, I think
it was leaked, and Jonas was on the air for
one more segment. I said, Jonas the story, and he
writes back to me, is this can't be true? And
I said, you know, I'm not sure, and he didn't
want to go out of the air with it because
it was his last segment, so they just waited, and

(36:54):
I get first, I didn't believe it. I thought that
maybe I got fooled by an account which which has
had many times, numerous times, so I figure, this can't
be right.

Speaker 6 (37:04):
But I saw it from.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
But you've still felt like you needed to send it
to him.

Speaker 5 (37:07):
While if somebody's read like an idiot, it's gonna be him,
not me.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
So I want to you don't think he would have
then come on the next day.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
I would have gone all over social media posting pictures
of you. So I figured this guy's got a bad
jump shot and he gives.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
You fogus stories.

Speaker 5 (37:27):
So and so it turns out to be true that
I'm reading everybody's responses like this is the worst thing ever,
and I really couldn't believe it. It's it's not I know,
you're they're tinkering with the game. We've tinkered with the
game in football, defenseless receiver, don't touch the quarterback. Look
what we've done the kickoffs, Mike. Nobody's saying anything about that.

(37:48):
We've made all kinds of changes in the NFL. Nobody says, boom,
we'll put the other changes we made in baseball, the
pitch clock. I mean, we had the dh that we
sure it's been a while, but we we had It's
only going to be a matter of time, you know,
before obviously we just do the whole league there. But

(38:09):
it's it's absolutely crazy all the changes we've made. So
it's something we've got to consider. But I think it's
taking it too much.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
Yeah, I mean, I think overall, Arnie, I mean, when
we look at it.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
You go and you make changes and you tinker with
it minor league level and then try to expand from there.
The fact that you know, you bring up the universal
DH and all of that, I mean, you know where
it's there, and we've got it going right. Adopted National
League in twenty twenty two. Show Hao Todi wins the
MVP as a DH this year.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
All all of.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Those things and all the hand ringing for years, my
guy Harold Baines, go back to Edgar Martinez and on
down the line. But yeah, some of them are are
pretty radical changes. You talk about baseball like I'll forever
hate the ghost runner, the banning of the shift and
pitch clock. I get it made for TV event like

(39:01):
that's what we're trying to do. Make it palatable. Get
it on, Get them on, get them over, get them in.
I think there's some love for what the soccer TV
windows look like. In two hours, you're in and out
right unless you go into crazy ass stoppage time because
crazy things happen. I mean, it's it's a pretty easy window.
And so for baseball, you know they're trying to get

(39:23):
it timed out like a Mark Burley stat I mean,
you know, start all those years ago when he was
with the White Sox and on. It's like, hey, get
the ball and get back on the mound and throw
your next pitch. So all that's say, I mean, it
takes away some of the psychological battle of waiting out
your opponent and all of those kind of things, which
I kind of enjoyed. But I'm an sayist that way.

(39:44):
I guess likewise, the shift like learn how.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
To hit, learn not to hit.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
We don't need to ban that, you know, if you
can actually place a bunt every once in a while,
god forbid the bigger bases, the throw over to first
a second time. Like all of those changes, are they
huge to the game?

Speaker 5 (40:06):
No, yes, they're big changes, Mike.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
But we but they're not. But they're not necessarily noticed,
is my point.

Speaker 6 (40:13):
Right.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Huge changes are the ones where it really substantively affects
the fabric of the game, like the kickoff.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
Right. How many kickoffs were returned each year for touchdowns? Few?

Speaker 6 (40:24):
Right? Right?

Speaker 3 (40:25):
So when you go against the perception or reality of
safety checks, then a lot of it is all right, shrug,
move on, as long as the basics, uh, and the
meat and potatoes are still there.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
Do what you gotta do.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
You do what you gotta do. And look, remember there's
trying to speed up the game, that trying to make
it more palatable. There's a problem. And not only that,
there's not only a problem with baseball and people tuning in,
there's a problem in the NBA and viewership also. You
gotta go ahead. They're thinking of different ways to get
people engaged. Otherwise you're in for a long haul. There,

(41:01):
You're in for a long run if you don't go
ahead and get that.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Basketball is a whole other thing. I mean, the length
of the season and the buy in game to game.
You know the fact that Lebron and ad both played today, right,
that was the report Lebron's gonna take an injury slash
rest day given their recent slide. And you know what,
I think that's where we're gonna end up. Circling back

(41:23):
here as we continue hour two of the program. Coming
up next year, Arnie, we've got Rich Ornberger at twenty
but JJ Reddick meeting with the meeting with the press,
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(42:37):
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(42:59):
has answered the call. He's got the prescription for your
Friday night football conversation.

Speaker 4 (43:04):
What's going on?

Speaker 7 (43:04):
Doctor Rich holding Scalpel will operate. Good evening, Michael and Arnold.
I am totally guessing on Arnie's first name. I've never
actually asked him. What is your full Christian name?

Speaker 6 (43:16):
Arnie?

Speaker 5 (43:17):
Is it?

Speaker 6 (43:17):
That?

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Is it?

Speaker 5 (43:18):
Arnold Spaniard? You got it?

Speaker 6 (43:20):
My friend, what's the middle name?

Speaker 5 (43:21):
If you don't love it's Elliott.

Speaker 7 (43:23):
Arnold Elliott Spanish, It's actually Hawser, you know. Arnold Elliott
Spaniards sounds more like a high school.

Speaker 6 (43:32):
Principle that it does a radio show host. I feel
like getting I'm getting.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Done, so Regal absolutely like you.

Speaker 6 (43:40):
I'm telling you right now. You show up with the suit,
you got the walkie talkie.

Speaker 7 (43:44):
I just got called to mister Spaniard's office and I'm
in deep trouble.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
I'm thinking about some of those lad suit coaches from
back in the day that you know, college coaches would wear.

Speaker 5 (43:53):
Wim Sanderson, Yeah, Bill Belichick su will be wearing patrolling
a college football sideline.

Speaker 6 (43:59):
Apparently, what do you think about that? One?

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Doctor Rich, Let's start with that that coming out a
little bit earlier did today is college football might actually
make a little bit of sense the way he structured
things in Patriotville for all those years.

Speaker 7 (44:14):
I have a buddy of mine I was chatting with
and actually as we were discussing, we kind of came
to this conclusion. You know, maybe he's just really bad
at interviewing, and so the more interviews the better. Now
there may be real interest. There may be real interest.
Maybe he wants to go and coach at the college level,
like you know, his dad worked at the college level,

(44:36):
I believe for.

Speaker 6 (44:37):
The majority, if not all, of his career.

Speaker 7 (44:40):
And maybe he's going to go back to his roots
and finish his career kind of where it started, patrolling
the sidelines alongside his father and do that thing.

Speaker 6 (44:51):
But I don't know.

Speaker 7 (44:52):
I kind of feel like this, all right, when you
have the same job for almost a quarter century and
then all of a sudden your cast to drift, you know,
the rope is cut. Now you are left to your
own devices. Maybe he walked into some of these interviews,
and he had a little bit of the flop sweats

(45:12):
because he hasn't had to go through that process in
a long time, and maybe he wants to get a
couple under his belt before he starts interviewing for the
jobs he really wants, which is back head coaching in
the NFL, so he can beat Don Shula's all time
win record at the pro level. That makes more sense
to me than the alternative, which is he's actually interested

(45:35):
in coaching at the college football level. I think it's
good to get a little heat on your name. I
think maybe a little practice round at the collegiate level
interviewing for those jobs may may benefit him in some way.

Speaker 6 (45:47):
But I do think that he'll be back in the NFL.

Speaker 5 (45:50):
Rich, do you think that he could relate to college
kids or so has the other way around?

Speaker 4 (45:55):
You know, he's dating Arnie.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Come on, that's about college kids all the time, Now,
that's true.

Speaker 7 (46:01):
I mean, pretty soon here, he's gonna be doing some
TikTok dances. He's gonna be yeah, I mean, he's gonna
be showing up at some of these award shows.

Speaker 6 (46:08):
I look, the funny thing about it is.

Speaker 7 (46:12):
Bill was always a player's coach, and so even though
there was a lot of talk when he got kind
of kicked out of New England and you know, the
love affair with with the the Boston area kind of
came to an end there and they moved on from him.
One of the things, it's kind of a misnomer that

(46:35):
the culture doesn't work with today's NFL, because I don't
think I don't think any anybody had anything wrong with
the culture necessarily. It's it's just the problem was he
didn't have a quarterback. Like a lot of people are
really missing the thread here. When you go from Tom
Brady to Mac Jones, that's an enormous drop off. Now,

(47:00):
don't get me wrong, I think there are certain coaches
who can maximize talent at the quarterback level. I think
Kevin O'Connell in Minnesota is one of them. He's doing
a wonderful job with Sam Darnold, just as he did
with Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins played his best years in
Minnesota as a Viking under Kevin O'Connell.

Speaker 6 (47:16):
What coaching tree did he come off of? Sean mcvay's.

Speaker 7 (47:19):
Sean McVay got the absolute most out of Jared Goff
before he was shipped out to Detroit, and I think
a lot of what he learned, plus a lot of
what Ben Johnson's doing with Jared Goff is really helping him.
So there are coaches out there that I do think
can improve a quarterback at this level. Ken develop a
quarterback at this level, But many great head coaches they're

(47:41):
not linked to a quarterback that they themselves necessarily developed,
or maybe they did, but there was greatness there, innate greatness,
Like are we going to laude Zach Taylor for everything
that Joe Burrow is?

Speaker 6 (47:56):
Probably not.

Speaker 7 (47:57):
Bill Belichick can take many bows because they found Brady
in the sixth round. I mean, is Andy Reach solely
responsible for Patrick Mahomes? Probably not. I mean, you go
through the list of quarterbacks, there's a lot of great
quarterbacks that names are forever linked to great head coaches.
It's hard to win in this league without a great quarterback.

(48:20):
And so I think the biggest problem in New England,
and the reason why it's stopped relating well to the
locker room for Belichick, is because they stopped winning because
they didn't have an elite level quarterback. And it's hard
to win in this league without greatness at that position.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
So Rich, let's go to the collegiate level. Rich Hornberger,
our teammate here, Fox Sports Radio. Here, I'm tomorrow Morning
Countdown to Kickoff presented by Bat MGM alongside Brian No
and Jared Smith as they get you set for Championships Saturday.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
Your alma mana is part of the.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Equation here and James Franklin, you know, much like we
talk about with Ryan Day, it's always an Aaron. He
can't beat big teams three and seventeen all time against
top ten squads, even with the great resume overall, Rich,
is that what we're talking about when this game against
Oregon kicks off?

Speaker 7 (49:12):
I mean that is like very similar to Ryan Day,
for example, against Michigan losing.

Speaker 6 (49:19):
Three straight and then his fourth.

Speaker 7 (49:21):
This very much feels like James Franklin needs to get
this albatross away from him because it does loom over
him with big, big games. Oregon is fantastic, an unblemished record.
They've done some amazing things, both both offensively and defensively.
But really they've done everything. They've done everything they've needed

(49:43):
to do. You know, there were certain games where sure,
I mean maybe they could have blown out Maryland by
more than they did, but did they really need to
if they were going to be undefeated.

Speaker 6 (49:51):
The answer is no.

Speaker 7 (49:53):
You know, they wanted to, you know, focus on health
and making sure maybe some of their depth got some
reps later in the season. Smart choice, because you never
know when the injury bug's gonna bite, and so they
head into this game a real proven quantity. Penn State,
it's a late riser. They may be a little over

(50:14):
their skis against arguably the best team in the nation,
but on any given Saturday, right, I think Penn State's
got a lot of moxie. I think this team has
a couple of tricks up their sleeve, especially with the
do it all, you know tight end.

Speaker 6 (50:29):
He's a special player.

Speaker 7 (50:31):
And this is where you dump out the proverbial playbook, right,
you know, Yeah, you want to save some bullets in
the chamber for the playoffs. But if you can knock
off the number one team in the nation in the
conference championship game and take the top seed heading into
the playoff bracket, that'll give you an extra week to
prepare more playbo playbook fodder for your opening round of

(50:54):
the postseason. So am I giving them an enormous chance.
Maybe not an enormous chance, but I'm giving them a
puncher's chance neutral field. You know, there's going to be
a lot of nerves on the opposite sideline too. It's
a slim favorite. You know, we're talking about a field goal.
Plus I like Penn State's chances.

Speaker 5 (51:16):
Here, you know, which we were actually talking about how
it's a different feel. I thought it was a different
feel for tomorrow because Georgia, Texas, Penn State, Oregon, they're
all going to go to the twelve team playoff. You're right,
they're gonna play for number one seeds.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
But there's not.

Speaker 5 (51:30):
An immediacy in the games because you lose, you still
got next week, right.

Speaker 6 (51:35):
Yeah, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 7 (51:37):
You know, actually that's a really great point, Arnie, Arnold.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Arnold Elliott. You'll never hear it the same way again.

Speaker 6 (51:47):
Because you know what, Arnie, I really do.

Speaker 7 (51:50):
I feel like if something happens that's unforeseen in this
game where all of a sudden, tomorrow becomes more important
than the present. You're absolutely right, self preservation mode may
take over for one side or the other. So so
we're in an interesting situation even in these conference championship games.

(52:14):
For the most part, you would assume everybody's going to
play for keeps no matter what. But that's not where
we're at in college football anymore, because wins aren't just
wins anymore. You know, in the regular season, I mean,
the way you win is important. Style points matter. When
we get to conference championship games, you know, sometimes the

(52:35):
way you lose doesn't matter as much as it did
in the regular season. And that's sort of a math
equation that you may have to do as you hit
the tunnel in the first half heading into into intermission,
you know, say a game is already getting out of hand,
I mean, do you start pulling starters in the fourth
quarter even if you're losing. I mean, I appreciate what

(52:58):
you just said, because more and more college football is
going to turn into college basketball with some of the
things we see in terms of, you know, metrically, how
these teams are measured against each other.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Rich Orenberger with us here, Jason Smith, Schell with me,
Mike harmon Fox Sports Radio from the Tyraq dot Com studios.
Arnie Spanier in for Jason Smith today. All that said, Rich,
let's turn our attention back to the international Football League,
if only for a moment. The Detroit Lions back to
back weeks, big Divisional wins eleven straight.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
W's Dan Campbell pro or con.

Speaker 6 (53:39):
Pro, I mean pro pro pro pro.

Speaker 7 (53:42):
I'm ten years retired. If he asked me to, I'd
come out of retirement.

Speaker 6 (53:45):
Now. My body's made of glass these days.

Speaker 7 (53:48):
So I'd last for exactly three plays, I'd chatter and
they'd have to sweep me into a damn dust pen
in Detroit. But I would play for that man. I
think he has captured the ethos of that city. I
think he's made believers out of that team. They got
a bunch of bad dudes looking to punch people in
the mouths. He's built toughness, He's built cultures. He's found

(54:13):
a diamond in the rough, recovering Jared Goff and putting
his belief behind him because that's now paid off for
him from team leadership and also the way he's played
at numerous points throughout this season. He's looked like an
MVP candidate at numerous points this season. I mean this
team is a wrecking machine. It I mean it reminds

(54:36):
me of how Mick described Apollo Creed.

Speaker 6 (54:39):
I mean it is. It is a real deal.

Speaker 7 (54:43):
Old school smash mouth football team and they're not dodging
for nobody.

Speaker 6 (54:48):
So I'm excited for Detroit.

Speaker 7 (54:50):
They look like a super Bowl team to me, and
that's because of Dan Campbell.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
One hundred and forty five fourth down calls. Arnie, how
do you like this? You're a gambler kind of guy.
Eighty two resulting in a first down, thirteen touchdowns. Wow,
there you go, fifty six conversion rate, but still good times.
There you go one hundred and forty five data points
for you to parse through. Because you know, Jason Smith,

(55:15):
normally in the chair is like calls it cambelling. I say,
it's guts and determination.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
I like you, Rich.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
I didn't have a college career, I didn't have a
pro career, but I think I'd still run through that
wall for that guy.

Speaker 7 (55:27):
Yeah, yeah, I love the way he talks to everybody
in that room. And you know when he's you know,
red faced, veins sticking out of his neck and you know,
spitting and shouting, you see the reaction that he gets
from those players. There's real love and brotherhood inside of
those walls, and that's a force to be reckoned with.

(55:48):
It's it's what everybody is trying to manufacture. But that's
the problem. You can't manufacture family. You have to create
a family. And that's what Dan Campbell has done in Detroit.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Just like we do with Arnold Elliott. You got one
last quick one there, Arnie.

Speaker 5 (56:03):
I wanted because what happens if Welas Vegas gets the
number one pick and they want Shador, but Shadur comes
with Dion. Do you fire Pierce and say, fine, we'll
take Dion, We'll take the whole family.

Speaker 7 (56:13):
Well that's an interesting Okay, So so Pierce, Unfortunately, I
think he may be ousted. Anyways, I think I think
if you have an opportunity to get Shador, I mean
just the flashiness of this it works in Vegas, and
you bring in Dion, I think you have to do
it just to see, just to see.

Speaker 6 (56:34):
I mean, Vegas is a city of spectacle. Sign me up.

Speaker 7 (56:39):
I mean, if I'm Mark Davis, I'm I'm pushing over
loved ones. I'm throwing family members off the balcony to
draft Shador Sanders and hire Dion as my coach if
they'll allow me to. Because I really do think that's
another part of this nil culture and some of the
things that are going on. A lot of these quarterbacks
are going to start calling their shots, and so should yours.

(57:00):
Probably not going to a team that he doesn't want
to go to. We've seen this in the past. I
think we're gonna see it a lot more. I think
I think shud Or Sanders and Dion his his father
as a coach, maybe a fit in Vegas.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
New World Order. He's on Twitter at Ornberger. It's our guy,
doctor Rich Ornberger. He fulfilled the prescriptions and we'll all
breathe a little easier tonight, Rich six am Pacific time
tomorrow for you right here on Fox Sports Radio Correct Yes, sir,
I'll be on three hours alongside Jared Smith and Brian
No Countdown to Kickoff presented by bet MGM, getting you

(57:34):
ready for your day of college championship games. Doctor Rich,
thanks for stopping down, taking a little time from the
family and joining your radio family and learning Arnold Arnie's
Arnold's real name.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
You're the best. It's like COSMOSO.

Speaker 7 (57:52):
Yeah, keep crushing it, boys, love you both.

Speaker 6 (57:56):
I'll fuck you soon.