June 15, 2024 • 47 mins
Jason and Mike pay their respects to the Logo Jerry West. Jason explains why critics don't like Jayson Tatum because he's a different kind of superstar. Yankees vs. Dodgers is the World Series we all deserve. Jason and Mike debate if Trevor Lawrence is really worth $275 million. Plus, a MLB umpire Caught Gambling!
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Speaker 1 (00:30):
Jerry West one of the greatest NBA legends of all
time who passed away earlier today at the age of
eighty six, and one of the things that is not
talked about enough for him when it comes to his
legacy because you hear as a player, was he a
better executive? Everything he did as an executive, But to
think about how he was the one responsible for not
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just the success of Kobe Bryant, but getting Kobe to
the Lakers, which change the course of the NBA. Like
you know, yeah, you guys believe in Kobe Bryant. Yeah,
we will see Kobe's career. But in nineteen ninety six,
which is one of the most loaded drafts in NBA history.
You see anywhere to say one of the greatest drafts ever,
ninety six comes up. You had so many other great
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players in that draft. Iverson was in that draft, and
here's Kobe who was coming out of high school. And
that was still a thing that nobody really knew about
the year before, Kevin Garnett was drafted out of high school. Right,
that was the first time leave here, Amy is he
gonna be He had an okay rookie here. He averaged
ten points a game his rookie year. But it's not
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like he came to the league and Dominie wasn't Lebron James.
So taking a high school player was seen as a
huge risk, and it was. It was a huge chance
you were taking. And not only did the Lakers know
going in, Jerry West said this is the guy we
have to get. They made the deal with the Hornets
who were gonna take Kobe Bryant at thirteen, and they
were gonna trade Vadi Devots for Kobe and the rest
is NBA history. But to make that decision and to
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know that if you're Jerry West, who said this guy
is gonna be the best player in the league one
day that this was their guy that they were teaming
with Shack. They had just signed Shaq as a free agent.
So Shaq is a Laker, and it's like, Okay, who
are you giving him? Who's the guy? And it's an
unproven kid out of high school that Jerry West says,
this is the guy that's going to be the best
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player in the league. Like to have that kind of
vision and to be that that insistent upon it, and
and that changed the course of the NBA back when
taking a kid out of high school was a risk,
and this is the guy. You're not gonna get someone
who's been the league a couple of years to play
with Shaquille O'Neil. You're gonna give him a kid out
of high school. And look at how that decision turned out.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
But I mean, look at all the other attempts to
try to replicate that. Most of the time they're disastrous
or guys become functional NBA players on their third team
six and a half years later, they find them piece.
They become a rotational piece.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Right.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
The Bulls tried it a couple of times, miserable failures,
guys that couldn't play. You have to go back, you know,
based on rule changes and everything else. You know what,
what you had to kind of fight through and you
had a couple of guys that succeeded, but those were
twenty years prior to that, right, and so to know
that Kobe was going to be that guy to be
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able to get that trade made still one of the
great days. And you know, want to talk conspiracy theories
when you get into all your your fun and exciting
things of frozen envelopes or whatever else. Really Kobe ended
up as a Laker, I know, but it's the hindsight
twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
But that was such a risk at the time and
for Jerry West to say, no, this is what we
need to do. And it's like to think about that
at the time, but yeah, it's a high school kid
and we're taking a rink of Okay, hey, thirteen teams
could have taken Kobe, right, so you knew he was
a mid first round pick. He wasn't like we got
to take him number one. You know, Hey, they had
seen Kevin Garnett and Kevin Garnette wasn't great yet. And
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to know that then to say this is the vision,
Like he doesn't get enough credit for changing the NBA.
With that, I really don't care if these guys get
along or not. They're gonna be great together, man, because
I can see it. Rest in peace, Jerry West, mister Clutch,
eighty six years old.
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Speaker 1 (04:18):
Get into Jason Tatum. Here for a second, who has
twenty seven tonight? It's ten for twenty one from the floor.
He's having a terrific night. Right three point. He's only four,
but he's still got four threes. Not shooting great a
percentage from threes, but he's taken a lot of heat
check shots to make me go wow. Here's a heat
check from Tatum. There's a heat check from Tatum. Everybody
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criticizes Jason Tatum and the critics that he has. They
don't want to give him any credit for being the
superstar that he is. And I'm telling you there's times
when I see him with it with the ball in
an offensive set where I think he's the most unstoppable
player I've ever seen because he's big enough to get
whatever shot he wants off. He's strong enough, he can
get to the rim, he can take a fade away.
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There's times when I go, this guy is absolutely unstoppable.
And you've seen over the course of his career, which
is still in the first few years, how great of
a star he is. But he's not the star that
everybody has grown accustomed to the last few years in
the NBA. He's not Michael Jordan, where I want to
slit your throat and step on it and I want
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to drink your blood on the way to the rim.
Right that's the same thing why it's why everybody love
Kobe Bryant. Right, Hey, I want to, I want to.
I want to choke you out and make sure that
you are not winning this game. That I'm going to
do it. I'm gonna hit free throws with a torn
achilles and then come out of the game. And it's
the same thing to a degree with the Warriors. We're
gonna blow the doors off of you. We're gonna come
out and hit threes and you're not gonna know what
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the hell is going on. And Steph's gonna do the
good night thing, and Draymond's gonna yell and scream and
Clay's gonna.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Say, I'm one of the fifty best players in the game. Right,
this is what we're used to.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
But Tatum's not that guy. Tatum's a gen Z superstar.
He doesn't lead in the way that we expect or
have grown accustomed to our stars leading, so we don't
like him as much.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Oh, Jayson Tatum needs to do this, He need just
say this. That's just not who he is.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Jason Tatum is a phenomenal player on the court, and
you know what, you got to give the Celtics credit
for achieving. They've been to the finals now twice with
him as their best player. He's really bleeping good. But
just because he's not Jordan and he's not and he's
not even Pete Lebron that oh you know, Tatum, doesn't Tatum.
He's overrated. He's this even if they win this year,
they're not gonna win next year and all this stuff.
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It's find a way to move the goal post on
Jason Tatum when seriously, it's okay, it's time to give
the guy credit.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
You don't need to be that kind of guy.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And let's face it, there's not a lot of guys
like that now, it's at different times, a different NBA.
It's different in twenty twenty four. The players that have
come up now have come up differently than the players
coming up. There's more than one way to lead and
more than one way to be a great player. And
we've seen Tatum. Hey, I know when to take over.
I don't make all the shots, but I know when
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I can facilitate, which is what he did in game two.
I know when you need me to take the big shots,
which what we need now in game three, Like it's
time to give him so credit and give him some
flowers because you know, because everybody keeps moving the goalposts
on him. He just doesn't get that and he needs to.
I mean, are we gonna really sit here with him
holding up the Larry O'Brian trophy and go, hey, he
still stinks. I mean, people are gonna still try to
do it when that's wrong because he's just a different
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kind of guy.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Well, and that's it.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Normally he responds to the critics with a little bit
at the podium and then he goes out and has
some big games and is you know, Ryan Hollins has
been sitting with me on Sunday mornings Fox Sports Sunday
six to nine Pacific. Tune in wherever you're at on
the iHeart radio app Shamble's plug, you know, talking about
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him sometimes he then gets into a I'm going to
do it all and it gets them into quote a
little bit of trouble because it's hard to criticize what
they've done this year, right in terms of what he
does have a game, because you don't have a lot
of losses regular season are playoffs, you've kind of run
rough shot through everybody. So now you get into that
nick picking kind of thing. Now, I'm a Jalen Brown
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guy myself. So you've got two guys running in parallel.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
And look, even.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Jason Kidd before the series was doing everything he could
to try to get them to go at each other.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
How do I how do I get a little bit
fight on the car? I got nothing.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I know, we're over overmatched, it out manned.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
But Adam Silver, if I get two guys on the
same team to fight, do they still get technicals and
thrown out of the yellow cards and we free throws?
That happens, right, We don't have to have a guy
on our team fight. Okay, just want to make Yeah,
we've seen that soccer, right.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
He just got a yellow cart.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
No, it's just on his own player, So it's it's
that kind of thing, and try to get them against
each other. And then it's just a which side you
go and and typically me being you know, a five
to seven uh ish uh little uh fire plug of
a guy, I'll usually go to the guard as my
chosen guy. And for Jalen Brown, uh, you've seen him
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do some of that taking over and he gave us
one of the great quotes. Also, you know between the
Western or i'm sorry, the Eastern Conference finals into the finals,
ask what he did with his time off. He goes, well,
a lot of other guys, you know, families, they've got
to get the kids around, and you know, you got
your time because you know, I don't have the fan.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
I don't do that.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
So I just watched all the Harry Potter movies.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
So I just got it.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
So, you know, that kind of endeared him to me,
just kind of like, well, I didn't have a lot
of responsibility, So what did I do. I watch watch
some movies and kind of hung out.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
You know, I gotta say five is the best movie
and four is probably the best book guy.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I mean, that's the obvious follow up. It takes you
and ask a band guy, what are we talking here?
But you know, for Jalen Brown, for Jason Tatum, I mean,
they're gonna be linked at the hip and and if
you get the title, perhaps for a moment, everybody shuts up,
if only.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
For a moment. I don't know, man, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I think there's such an anti Tatum miss out there
that the Celtics win. The people, well, it's the fluke.
Look at the easy run they had everybody no, no,
but you know how to do this.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
But you know, people are gonna do that regard that
was set up no matter how well he played.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
But that's been the last couple of years.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
It's like we we look at the path and then
it becomes it, Well, they didn't have to play that guy,
didn't have to play that guy.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
It's like, okay, like you're.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Not gonna you don't have to play every team in
your you know, conference playoff bracket, and somewhere some team's
gonna get beaten that.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Unfortunately, they were not.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
At full strength right go back through you know your
knicks and the early run they had like people are
appreciated the moxie. Did they play everybody, get everybody's best shot?
Speaker 4 (10:31):
No, there were injuries.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
If the Knicks had somehow won one more game and
played the Celtics and the conference finals, they would have
got they would have got blown up because they look
they had.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
But I'm just saying even the Knicks run to that point, Yeah,
there were injury laden squads on the other side of
who they beat, and but.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
You celebrated for what it is right and and yes.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Can we are If you were gonna do the the
BS rankings of where did stack up is the greatest
Eastern Conference representative in the finals of all time, then yes,
let's talk about injuries and pats. But in the end,
if you're holding up a trophy, I don't give a
damn for all they But they're also the knuckleheads, and
God bless them. You know, you show up in a
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suit and tie on a TV show, people pay attention
to the nonsense you spew.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
That's the way it works.
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Speaker 1 (11:31):
There is a home run party going on right now
at Dodger Stadium. Okay, not not quite that man, it
will be, but yeah, just as the open to this
hour hits, Jason Hayward hits a two run homer for
the Dodgers, the Corey Seekers return to Dodger Stadium. Not
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not exactly what he had in mind. Well, yeah, so
at least I can't say it's his fault. But right
now the Dodgers lead this again. It's a home run party.
It is fourteen to one now in the bottom of
the sixth inning, and the Dodgers just keep launching home runs.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Did they find out that the Yankees beat up on
the Royals ten to one? So he just had to
outdo them. We gotta have more. I wanta leads the
highlight shows. Will Smith has a home run. That guy
Ton He's got a two run homer. Freddie Freeman has
a home run. Taskar Hernandez has home run. Jason Hayward
has a TI oscar. Could be the MVP.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Nobody wanted, no, nobody wanted, nobody wanted improve it deal.
You know what.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
The home run that Will Smith hit, that one of
the graphics they put up. He's now third all time
among Dodger catchers for home runs. He had his one
hundred first career home run. He's like what like seventy
five away from Piazza something like that. Yes, and then
you got Campanella. But with hitting the home run the
night and he passed Steve Jeger.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Well, Steve, I just wanted to get the boy, like
twenty eight years time. You're took them a long timemit
those home runs a long time, long time ago too.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Oh that's a long long history.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Yeah, big baseball guy.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I mean again, at this point, you gotta think someone's
gonna be getting hit at some point because to just
keep hitting home runs.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Hey man, you just gotta do something. Man, gotta do nothing. No,
you gotta actually get somebody out. You gotta wear it.
At this point, what are they gonna do? Hey, you
know what, we're beating the hell out of you. We're
just gonna leave the bat on our shoulders like that.
I'll tell you time to pad some stats. Let's go
possible World Series matchup here.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Yes, we like that past weekend, Mike m Look at
your rosten, look at the box score. We're not gonna
get listen, the.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Phillies and the Orioles and whatever, else out there. Okay, Greg,
we got a guy named Gutter. They are not going
mia m v P pick. They are not going to
rob us of this Dodger Yankee World Series. We've been
waiting for like thirty five years for well, going all
the way back to We're not rob us of this
seventy seven, seventy eight and then eighty one. They're not
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gonna rob us some shortened season. This is how it's
supposed to have. When they had like seven guys won
the MVP. Dodgers, we can't we can't pick between three guys.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Okay, we'll give them.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
The series stuff back to You know what we could
do with the NBA Finals, You get the whole team wins.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I mean really, I don't what no one is getting
in the way of the Yankees Dodgers World Series. Like
that would be seriously, it would be the big The
Red Sox winning in two thousand and four was was
a seminal moment for the rest of the world. But
you're talking about the Cubs in twenty sixteen was a
big deal.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
They beat the Indians too, right now, that was a
big said something's got to gain. Yeah, there was a.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Lot, but the attention that would be on every day,
like because with Cubs and the and the and the
Indians and the Red Sox, it was more about could
they win than it was about the series.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Right, that was a giant.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
There was more was about to his straight win and
the guys that never did. Right, here's another montage of
Ernie Banks and Ron Sano go through Ryan Sandberg, the
heartbreak of nineteen eighty four with the Padres, all of
that stuff go back to Bartman.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, look what you think, because when you think about
the Red Sox winning and four, is there a bunch
of stuff that comes to your mind. I mean, Poppy
was really good, he had a couple of runs, but
it's not one of those unbelievable world series.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Well, porzingis Red Sox, poor red Sock.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
And when you talk about the Cubs Indians World Series,
well you had the big home run in the ninth
inning off of It's artist Chapman that that tied it
Raji Davis and then the Cubs go on to win,
which is very how.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Many times Joe Madden made insane illogical moves with his
bullpen and got away with it time after time, but
they kept pressing his luck.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
No wammy, no wammy, Noamy.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
You had your moment there, but you didn't really have
something all this whole series. But every single moment of
this world series will be diagrammed and every pitch and
breaking down because of the star power of both of
these teams. It will be a world series that that
if in twenty years, people are gonna be able to say, Hey,
Yankees Dodgers world series, and you're gonna remember specific things
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from those world series. Yes, this all this play, when
this happened, When this happened, this in game two, this
in game five, this in game four, starting performance in
game one by Garrett Cole.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Whatever it's going to be.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
It's a world are that would actually have us talking
more about the World series game than if it's opposite
Monday or Thursday night football.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Yeah, I mean, look, yah, yank talking about this series, Jason, Yeah,
what do you got? They gave out a stat on
the broadcast during the weekend that it was the most
uh Future Hall of Famers on the field at one time,
possibly ever. Yeah, I'm sure six or so. I'm sure. Yeah,
I'm sure and playing on the same field. It's the
same time and some.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Guys maybe more, right, Like if Anthony Volti continue used
to be great, he like to being a Hall of Fame, right,
it doesn't it doesn't matter if Will Smith continues to
rake and and and all of a sudden is the
biggest hitting catcher we've seen in the last fifteen years.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Right like this, this is how big Yankees Dodgers would be.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
It would dwarf, it would dwarf everything and the attention
and the ratings because everybody's gonna watch these games. Everybody's
gonna watch with the other teams was a could you win?
And that was the story. This is you gotta see
these games and talk about them and the drama. It
would just just think about just if you think Yankees Dodgers,
think about the games in the Bronx, the games at
Dodger Stadium, and how Dodgers Stadium pretty much looks the
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same now as it did in nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
And how much money you would make if you bought
some of those Judge Otani hats that were on sale. This,
ye guy, that was the stupidest thing. Like that judge,
you see that the Judge was a bigger funt. Yeah,
with that giant ninety nine there.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
I'm wanna put Judge in a bigger funt at a time.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
You know what, people were buying them at fifty bucks
a pop and the bibble had sold out like it
was a limited edition bobble.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
The worst hat ever, Like, why the hell would you
buy a it's half Aaron Judge?
Speaker 4 (18:01):
What in half?
Speaker 1 (18:02):
So noa no, no no, but you know what, half
Garrett Calton. It's half Judge and it's half Otani. So wait,
So a guy that plays for the Yankees and a
guy that plays the Doge on the same hat.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Still better than that Phillies Mets jacket.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Oh that Phillies Mets jacket was awful, Like, yeah, that's that,
That's that's London major League Baseball, and going oh, we
don't really understand. Oh they absolutely hate each other, these
two teams. Oh yeah, So who's gonna wear a jacket
with both the logos on it? Only someone who lives
in London, Like I'm waiting to see that Mets Phillies jacket.
That'll be on a Welcome Direcshum show. You'll see somebody
wearing one of those.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
They did show up and do his things.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Did a double play with Jay and Bryce Harper. Yeah,
the years later at Philadelphia a legend. I get to
do all these cool Philadelphia sports Then.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Would you not milk the hell out of that if
you had the opportunity. Of course, you show up at everything.
You have to cut a ribbon at the local, all
these open it up.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Come on, let me go. I love Rob McLeay. Gave
me some fake meat. Let's go great. I love Kate Olson.
I'm done with him and his Philadelphia look.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Look at me, like every time I see him now,
I feel like he's got tattoos of every single Philadelphia
team all over him. I got a scarf from the
from from the FC, I got a hat from Wrexham.
I got a Phillies jersey. I got seventy six or shorts.
I got Eagles shoes. This is fifty years. He's jealous,
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fifty years of.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Scars for Philadela. Oh look at me. I stand for
every Philadelphia sports fan. Now look at me. I want
a Philly scarf.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
No, I don't want to get scarf. No, I don't
want a Philly scarf. I mean, we'll get you on
for your birthday. It's season seventy six. If it's always
sunny in Philadelphia. Hey, yeah, no, I don't want either
of those.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
No, no, no, What my favorite part of Yankees Dodgers
World Series is gonna be? What is it gonna be?
The amount of money it's gonna cost you to get
your data ticket.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
It would be a lot of money. It would be
a lot of It is gonna be a lot of money.
You're working December.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
I heard he wants dugout club and it's gonna be
a lot of money. It's gonna be a lot ten
g is at least, uh, don't tell me that. Yeah, on, dude,
I gotta dad. Here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
What I got you? Into the parking lot? Oh, you
got me in the stadium. No, no, in the parking
lot so you can be outside the stadium.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
If it's a Taylor Swift concert.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
You're gonna make bracelets to give to people and you
to trade like you're outside of the show.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Hey, I got a soda bracelet. Who wants to trade me?
I made one for my favorite middle reliever.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Oh that's great. Oh, oh, you have a Clay Holmes one.
I'll trade you this one for Clay Holmes.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
We're actually in the process of beginning the friendship bracelet
thing for our trip because you're getting ready.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Yeah, let's go. Oh yeah, it's gonna be a lot
of money for my dad though, it's gonna be a
lot of cash. That's okay.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
And the thing and the thing is is, you know,
shake it off. This is the hard Ah, very good.
The thing is is that I've had so many people
in my career kind of hint around if I could
get them tickets with oh, everybody assumes we get TV.
I gonna tell you, like we think, like in our
boss's office Scotch beer, there's a big ticket bowl that
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that just has tickets to all the big sporting events
on it.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
And you walk into his office.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
And he's on the phone and music's playing really loud,
and he's got his feet up.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
He goes, yeah, take what you need.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Just you know, only take like five or six World
Series tickets, right, Yeah, take a couple. Yeah, take a
couple of Final Four tickets. Whenever you want out of
that big ticket ball, just take it. Yeah, it's all good.
I'm on the phone right now and people think that's
the case. And I have no problem saying, hey, I
can't get into this game. You think you think I
can get in, and then they go, oh, you're not
as powerful as I think you wore. I'm like, well,
I don't really give a crap. I'm not getting you
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a ticket. But how do I tell my dad? Dad,
I can't get you a ticket. Don't you work at Fox?
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Yes? Isn't five seventy a Fox station? Yes? Can't you
get me a ticket?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
No?
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Dad, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
And then you say, cough up a buck, you cheap.
I bought your breakfast. I gotta be able to get
him a ticket somehow. Well, I mean, you're just gonna
off the pony up. You're just gonna have to say,
all right, Dad, all these years of being torn by
your squad and you will become the biggest Dodger fan.
I'll front to the hat, right, profret, I'll pay for
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his hat. I mean, it's gonna cost me extra because
of the size of your head, but I'll do it.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Yeah, you're gonna have to give up McDonald's for like
ten years.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Oh, I mean, what kind of no, you kid? That's
where I'll be eating for ten years in Afford.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
What kind of jersey we're putting on you? He's not
getting no, no, no, not him on you. You've got
to be in full Dodger garbage. You're gonna go with him.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
I'm not gonna go.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
He's gonna go on a night when we're doing the show.
I can't get off on a night during the World Series.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Are you kidding? Oh?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Hey, sorry, I did off during the World Series. It's
the Yankees, not yeah, but I need off. Oh sorry, No,
you could call in.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
I've got a way out. You got what's my way out?
You tell the bosses you're Alex Deeischer.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I'm hey. I need off the next three week night
World Series. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, listen, I need off
game Game three and four of the World Series.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Yeah, what else?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
And I need the night of the National Championship game
in college football and college basketball off right yeah? And
I also need the day after the Super Bowl. And
I need uh oh yeah, every night there's an NBA
Finals game.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
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Speaker 1 (23:17):
We have a story now that a Major League Baseball
umpire has been disciplined for violating the league's gambling rules.
This is ten days after the league levied a lifetime
ban on the Pirates minor leaguer. And again, I want
to say right away it is not Angel Hernandez. Just
saying it's not Angel Hernandz. I know people say, oh,
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it's got to be Angel Hernandez.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Wild to by.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Not Angel Hernandez. Is not near the story. It is
not near. It would explain some of his calls. But
he is not near this story at all. He is
not near this story.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
It is not Angel.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Mean to implicate the Padres. I'm watching him losing to
the Mets.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
It's nothing. They were on the.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Brains, not Angel hernand not Angels. Are you sure I
am positive? I am positive.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Angel under the name of No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Fred Hoiberg gonna be he's the mayor. It is not
Angel Hernandez. He is not near the eye. Look, not
in this story. Umpire Pat Hoberg. Now, maybe you say, wait,
that name sounds familiar. This is because he was the
guy that got the perfect score and umpiring Game two
of the World Series last year. He called every single
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pitch correctly, got every got every ball in every strike right,
a perfect game for an umpire behind home plate. He
is not umpired this year, and obviously most likely because
Major League Baseball has been looking into him violating the
league's gambling policy. And this is why you could talk
about players get but whoa, whoa, whoa when an umpire
referenced me, which not too long ago, we remember the
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Tim Donaghy situation. It's why would we see stuff like
Scott Foster's out a game. The NBA knows that they're
sending to games. Okay, they really want to see a
game five, they're sending the extender right, which, which you know,
there's there's an angle of that is well, But when
you're talking about an umpire who has gambled on games
like this is a guy that understands and knows and
and we don't know any details as to what he
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has gambled on. He hasn't been on a field all year.
He called the perfect games.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
So in theory, you could have just said, hey, he
was retired, because I mean, how do you improve on perfection?
Speaker 4 (25:19):
You're done.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
He's only been umpiring for seven years in the full
time change. He's got a full pension. You know what,
you're going to take an early retire.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
No, no, you get a full pension at seven years.
I think you had to go at least ten.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Ten, you got at least ten because I usually special
rules for perfection is all I'm trying to say, first
perfect game, we can retire. Wait, he's going to be uh,
he's going to be in trouble for violating some rules.
You know, we're just going to say he went out
with his perfect game.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I mean, this is this is way worse than any player,
because this is someone who has more control over the
game than anybody else, the home player, especially the home
played umpire, first base umpire, third base empire. Now we
don't know what he's gambling on, but does he knows
sir and umpires and what they like to call.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
And hey, this umpire hates.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
This pitcher, so we're gonna find out, like the sausage
is made really poorly. And oh yeah, I knew to
bet Angel Hernandez when Madison Bumgardner pitchers. I knew to
bet against Madison Bumgardner because and I'm just throwing names
out there. I'm just using names to make my example here,
Like Angel Hernandez hates Madison Bumgardner. So anytime Bumgarner would pitch. Hey,
I'd bet on that game because I know he's not
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gonna give Bumgarner anything. Like there's certain things like that,
and forget about the whole Hey, I'm calling balls and strikes.
I'm Leslie Nielson in Naked Gun. You know, not quite that,
but just the stuff that he might know that he's
throwing this out there. I mean, that's crazy because if
you're a player, at least if you're a player, it's you.
You can only control so much, and you control what
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you do. You don't control what anybody else does. You
control you doing. You're one player. Now if you're a
pitcher it's a little bit bigger deal because you have
more control over the game pictures and catchers have the
most control over the game. But it's still you only
control so much. You're in the umpire. You don't control everything.
Like to have an authoritative figure that suddenly, hey, you're
the one who has violated rules, it's like, whoa dude,
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this is this is a really this is where major
ly babe, Okay, this is where this is something that
we really have to get into and show everybody that
baseball is safe, right, Umpires are safe. The guy hasn't umped,
so you know something that's got to be going back
to last year that wow, he umpired the World Series
and this was going on then because the guy's not
been you know, umpiring now, So this is something major
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League Baseball's got to come out and say, hey, you
can't just broadbrush this and say here's a whole played
umpire that was no, this is this is what he did.
This is how we control it. Everything is fine. Major
League Baseball is safe. You can invest in us like
a bank. Hey, you know, I know we lost money
and you know we got robbed or whatever it was.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
You can bank with us. Banking is safe, you can
do everything.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Like Baseball's got to get into this now because this
is a donneghy situation that that is not going to
bring trust in the game.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Defense. You're trying to.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Bring Uncle Billy in from It's a wonderful life. I
see what you do. Their financial insolvency. No, what's curious
in their statement though, like there's no specificity potential violation
of MLB's sports betting policies. As we talked talked about,
there's a lot of angles to that in terms of
time place down distance other games, et cetera. While MLB's
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investigation did not find any evidence that games worked by
mister Hoberg were compromised or manipulated in any way, MLB
determined that discipline was warranted. Mister Hoburg has chosen to
appeal the destermination and therefore we're not commenting any furthers.
So you know, you leave it in this nebulous form
of all right, you're off the field, so it goes to.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
How far does it go?
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Right and immediately because you start thinking about other umpires
being implicated or their tendencies that you know he's just
aware of. As you alluded to player beef, right, Scott Foster,
Chris Paul one of the great beefs in the NBA
for years, right, and always going back and forth. Uh,
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some players coming back actually advocating for Scott Foster, which
is kind of funny knowing he'll he'll referee a game
and you may not have to try to catch a
pass from Chris Paul. But in this there's just so
much unknown of He was still on the field for
a World series. You laid it out, he called a
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perfect game, like if you had any inclinations on any
of it. At that point, he's not on the field.
He's gone, and you're you're getting past that. Now he
got a perfect game. That's great, but it's still all right,
what are your processes? This comes up during spring training?
How does this get alerted? You suddenly have someone you know,
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looking to bounce their way up into the rotation of
crew chiefs and stuff that goes, Oh, I've got some information,
Like I'm just curious how this you know, what was
brought to light to Major League Baseball in their offices
to even start investigating. You know, where's the smoking gun
in this process?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah, if there's certain gambling you can blow off, right
like for instance, right we talked about the minor league
for the Pirates last week that that got caught. Like
if you're if you're injured and you're not playing and
you're gambling and you keep losing the way that Tukompeter
Marcano was doing. Uh, Okay, you know this wasn't a
guy that was playing one hundred and fifty games a year. Okay,
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that's fine because the leagues know coming in, Okay, when
gambling comes, we're not pollyannas where we just think that
everything is gonna go great. We know some people are
gonna be stupid and they're gonna try to make money.
They're gonna gamble. We just have to hope and police
it that it's not star players, it's not everyday players.
It's not players gambling games. They played it like there's
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certain gambling you can get by. But when it's an
umpire like this is like like like I get that
you you want to make sure that everybody you know
is treated fairly and equally. But if you're a pop sorry,
beound baseball games.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
I mean Nick, not even legally.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Do that, Kigy do that. This is I want to
go back and watch eight Men Out again. I mean
I really I want to do I want to go.
I mean, this is this is crazy when you think
that here's an umpire and again people don't know his name,
but remember we just told you World Series he was
the perfect game umpire and that usually think Jim Joyce,
that's the imperfect game umpire. This is the perfect game
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umpire who was like oh yeah, and now he's caught
up in this. This is this is something that Rob
Manford and I'm hoping that he embraces this, but again
he doesn't want anything to be on his MLB tombstone,
on his Wikipedia page it shows anything other than hey,
pace of play was great and everybody made money. He's
got He's got to really show and be public with this.
You can't bury this story. I mean, the fact that
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this comes out on a Friday night on during a
game during the NBA Finals. What does that tell you
that where Baseball wants to go out the story? But
this is like whoa what umpire betting on the games?
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Whoa? Whoa? Whoa? What umpire? Who was umpiring in the
World Series? Whoa? Whoa?
Speaker 1 (31:59):
And if you're umpiring then and you're gambling? What does
that mean to other people that umpires? Are they gambling?
Gun that you're umpiring because you know that. I mean,
there's so many things that it's not just hey, here's
a guy, Ball's coming right down the middle one come on,
uh baalt No.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
But that's the point like that, I stress from the
what we did get in the statement from Major League
Baseball is that there's no appearance of impropriety in games
he umpired. So like, okay, how big does this get
in terms of can you prove knowledge and cooperation with
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other umpires, right, what are the tendencies?
Speaker 4 (32:44):
You know?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Can you do like they do for all stats? Right,
anything that happens in a game, We've got all the
statistical pulls. Is the first time this has happened since
blah blah blah?
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Can you do that with umpires like that? That he knows? Hey?
Speaker 3 (32:56):
On you know, every other Tuesday he calls more were
strikes than balls, thereby keeping the keeping the hitters you know,
on their toes, and being more aggressive at the plate,
thereby creating more run scoring. I mean, I don't know,
like it's really a curiosity because again, nothing that he umpired.
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So is Angel Hernandez not gonna get in snares?
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Why?
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Because you did it first? I just know I did
a call back to you. I just had to make
sure people knew.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
He was nowhere near this story. Yet he's now right now?
Speaker 1 (33:33):
He is not because if I said to you, you
know people are talking this we go hear that story
about the Major League Baseball umpire got got caught gambling
when he shouldn't. Oh, Angel, people do Angel Hernandez? Why
is that why it's stop?
Speaker 4 (33:46):
But it's not. He is nowhere near this story. I
was is not near the story, he's not.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
But there may be other umpires that become part of this.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Like I said, we talked about there's some different nuanced
things that could happen. Whether it's people he knew, people
knew him, what he knows about umpires and how they
feel about certain pictures. It's all out there.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Man. He was safe.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
No, no, Well, Angel Hernandez blew the call and the
infield being back should have cost him the game.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
It didn't.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Well that should tell you right there. Gambling betting on
the White Sox not good for you. You have got to
be can made for you.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
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Show with Mike harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
We had a seismic NFL story break a couple of
hours ago, and I gotta say, I if you asked me,
I said, I knew this was coming, and I knew
it was a bad idea, and it's a bad idea.
Trevor Lawrence has just gotten absolutely paid because he was
a stud at Clemson. Lawrence gets a five year, two
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hundred and seventy five million dollar contract extension, two hundred
million dollars of it is guaranteed one hundred and forty
two million dollars at signing bonus. The average salary when
you when you when it divided it all up fifty
five million dollars a year. That ties in with Joe
Burrow for the top mark in that category in the NFL.
So the two quarterbacks now who have set the quarterback
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market are Joe Burrow and Trevor Lawrence. So let's examine
this for a second hilt before I tell you again
what a bad idea this was for the Jaguars. Joe Burrow,
I get it right, guy went to the Super Bowl.
He is that good. His problem is staying on the field.
That's gonna be the question mark. But if Joe Burrow
was the guy, because look, when guys come up and
they're worthy, they set the market.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
That's kind of how it goes.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Trevor Lawrence, I mean really, I think he's getting paid
because the Jaguars think he's coming out of Clemson and
he's going to be great. It's like, let's ignore the
fact that the first three years of his career he's been.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Okay, well the first year doesn't count, right, he's been
on I mean, you get you were with urban Meyer
and the train wreck.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
He come on.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Urban Meyer was perhaps the worst head coach since Code Tight.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
He wha, wha, wait a minute, now, wait a minute,
I don't care.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
Hang on, I don't care. I'll say it. Wait faster,
hang on. No, Code Tite was worse. Okay, all right.
I had to go back and think.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I had to go back to think about it for
a second, because you know what comes back to It
comes back to code Tite. Not because the Jets were
so awful on the field, but he was the guy
that cast the vote when they said we're coming up
in the draft. The scouts are split, do we take
Altun or Jerry Rice, And he said take Altune out
of Wisconsin. Jerry Rice, I don't know that he can
get separation at the next level. So the Jets took Altune.
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All right, that's why it's co Tite. Forget about one
in fifteen, forget about all that. He was the one
that said no, I would take altuon. So they took Altune.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Five hundred and seventeen career receptions, Tune six hundred yards out.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Tune was really good. We had a good career. A
couple of thousand yard seasons and nearly this the third time. Dude,
altuone was good.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
We missed on the best wide receiver in the history trying.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
I'm trying here because if you're gonna put that up
as you know, the hallmark of why this is a disaster.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
The guy he picked actually was pretty damn good.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
The guy the go a see, hey, that guy sucked
and was washed out of the league in you know,
eight games.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
And his name was Altuon.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, yeah, I know, that's normally how it goes for
the Jets, and they did yell tune every time he
caught it past.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
And then they benched their guy named Nathaniel Hockett. Okay, okay,
we'll get to that.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
We'll get We only have we only have so much
time for Jet for Jets here. Look, Trevor Lawrence has
just been Okay, he had a he had a good
twenty twenty two which made you think, okay, maybe he's
turning the corner.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
He went from a twelve and seventeen a quarterback rating
of seventy, which is which is in the bottom five
of the league, and then he had a pretty good
second year. Okay, that's great, Hey, Trevor looks like he's
on the path to being that guy. The big playoff
win over the Chargers, it looked like Trevor Lawrence was next.
And last year he wasn't good. He wasn't good.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
He was awful the last few weeks of the regular season.
That said, they were only helped by the fact that
the Eagles were such a disaster.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, you know twenty one and fourteen,
not that I'm sitting here and I am always beholding
two touchdowns and touchdown passes, and but you have to
be dyt if you're gonna get fifty five million dollars
a year, man, if you're gonna get three or four
million dollars a game, you gotta give me better than that.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Man, you gotta be better.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Than a quarterback rating of eighty eight, which puts him
at twenty fourth overall in the NFL. No matter how
you slice it, he's just been okay. And yet the
Jaguars paid him like, hey, he's still like these last
three years don't matter.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
It's like we're getting him brand new.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
When he was a stud at Clemson, right, It's like
why Sammy Watkins, they thought he was gonna be good
for so long. Boy, what a stud at Clemson. Sammy
Watkins out. Sammy Watkins was just turned out to be
just a guy. Trevor Lawrence is smack dab in the
middle of quarter in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
If you were saying, who do you want for this
next couple of seasons in the NFL, Trevor Lawrence is
in the middle. There are twelve to fourteen guys you
would take over him, but he's getting paid because he
was supposed to be next and the Jaguars still we
don't want to lose him. We don't want to start over.
I understand that, But dude's got to understand where he
is in the NFL. All right, Yes, we won the
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playoff game against the Chargers two years ago. That was awesome,
what a great comeback. But look at what you've done, man,
You've not been good. You have not been good. You
have been just about league average at best. I'm not
gonna give you fifty five million doll What are you
insane giving him that guy fifty five million dollars a year. Hey,
the rest of the quarterbacks the NFL are happy because
they're like, hey, if Trevor Lawrence gets fifty five million, man,
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that couldna get like ninety. The owners aren't happy because
wait a minute, Trevor Lawrence is setting the bar here
again at fifty five million. But this this contract, he
is way overpaid. And not that it's my money, right,
because I want to say it's not my money. That
all jealous guys getting too much money is that you
only have so much money to pay for a team,
and you're trying to win.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
You're trying to win the Super Bowl. And when you
have a guy taking.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Up twenty to twenty five percent of your of your
salary cap, you don't have room for the better players
you're gonna need to bring in. If you're giving a
guy fifty five million dollars, this guy's got to be
a Pro Bowl, all Pro level quarterback.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Man.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
You can't just be some guy that, hey, he can
be a Pro Bowl replacement when three guys say no
because they're playing in the in the AFC playoffs. I mean, like,
this is a guy that I don't know the next
Pro Bowl he's even gonna make, right, Like Trevor law
he's just not been good. He doesn't take care of
the football. He throws too many interceptions, like to pay
the guy because he's league average. Okay, great, you want
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to extend him twenty five third, okay, But to take
up that amount of your salary cap is just insane.
And all you've done is make it more impossible to
keep good players because you need good players around him.
He had the best wide receivers you could possibly put
around him. Last year, you had Ridley back from suspension.
You had Christian Kirk who turned into a superstar. You
were on Christian Kirk getting of the Year last year,
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how good he was. And still this is where you're
at now, right, and Ingram coming out what a great
tight end he was, and you're coming off a year
where hey, in sixteen games, twenty one touchdowns, fourteen picks.
This is not fifty five million dollars a year, man,
this is I looked at this and I just said, wow,
this is a mistake. I said, just blinking in red
Light's a mistake. Mistake, mistake, that's his whole thing.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Well, I look at it as here's where the market
is at this point in time. And rather than play
and time the market which is you know, any financial
advisor will tell you bad idea you're ready to.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
Buy a house. You're ready to buy a house down.
I don't try to time the market. You'd like a stock.
Look at where it's at.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Don't try to play the games that it's going to
go up or down some greatness. Get after it, right.
You know you fell in love with that boy or
girl down the street. Maybe you know you shared a
cupcake during fifth period. I don't know it. Now's the
time to say, wait, wait, wait, wait, how.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
Are you cupcakes during fifth period? Okay? Good? You know
what I mean?
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Like all of that stuff, and for this purpose, you know,
we know this. The salary cap keeps rising. He's not
gonna be any cheaper a year from now. He's been
good in spots. Would you have a three to one
touchdown to interception ratio the year prior? Last year was
just an unmitigated disaster down the stretch. They could write
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books or maybe Netflix will do a documentary on them too.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
Seeing you like, he was just straight lighting it up.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
It's not like he had he had an average year
and then had a works final.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
No, like he was fine, right, he was fine the
year before.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
But like you know, I'm just saying all in the
quarterback position is the one where logic gets thrown out
the window man, and it always has and it always will.
Like all the quarterbacks that are standing around waiting, aren't
excited Jerry Jones, you know the he was really excited
about Datless losing yesterday and being on the verge of
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being swept. He ain't so excited anymore after seeing Trevor
Lawrence get this pile of cash for one thousand years,
four thousand yards twenty one and fourteen. As you said,
uh completed about two thirds of his past attempts. So solid,
not spectacular, but where the market is, and out of
that draft class in twenty twenty one, he's the last
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man standing too. Right in terms of what that next
wave of guys that we're gonna be to get paid,
Jacksonville just looked at it. Said, from the pragmatism standpoint
is does he have.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
Room to grow?
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Twenty four years old, gonna turn twenty five in October? Okay, Yes,
he's got a couple of years in the system.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
Check.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
We've got some players around him, so we should be better.
Check and going forward, are we gonna be bad enough
to where we can find ourselves another Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
The answer is no.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
But when you get at Trevor Lawrence, you're talking about
can you get a league average quarterback somewhere, because that's
what he's been right.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
Well, but the point is that your quarterback.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
But the point is you're not gonna be drafting high
enough to go find even his replacement at this point.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
But you could have got Kirk cut You want.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
To pay money, you could have got Kirk Cousins, Well, no,
I want it. Well, yeah, you could go get Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Particularly if the league's only gonna find you two hundred
fifty k. It's almost some half ass third day pick.
Are you kidding me? We tampered with nine guys. Here's
our penalty? What what kind of league officer? We run
it now?
Speaker 1 (44:18):
But you can go get a guy that's gonna get
there's no shortage of players that can go twenty one
and fourteen and throw for four thousand yards. You can
get that from Gardner minshew, Ay, there's your guy, and
all you gotta do is pay him in sandwiches and
jorts and that's all and hair product. That's just like Trevor. Oh, okay,
(44:40):
you know that's cat's gonna be a wash buddy. Yeah, no,
no wash, You're right. I would give him the hair product.
I'd throw that in at the end and say, okay,
but that's it.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
This is the end. Like there's no more.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
I mean, there's no you can get that from Derek Carr.
You get even more than from that from Derek Carr.
Derek Carr is not really any good like you I
could I he's Mayfield, Baker. Mayfield has already had a
better season last year and he was yearn then Trevor
Lawrence has had his first three years. Like it's like
we project him. The idea of Trevor Lawrence seems better
than it is. It's like you gotta start paying attention, man,
(45:09):
Like this is this is not a guy that's rewriting.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
The record books. This is not saying he is.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
This is not a guy who suddenly is, hey, we're
winning division year.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
After year after years. This guy's not doing any of that.
He's not doing anyhow.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
He's solid, not spectacular. Has had moments where you think
maybe it's gonna start to click. I'm just saying it's
it's it's just pure economics and where the market is. Uh.
And you could have said no, and then you can
play the game on franchise tags and whatever else.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
Jason.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
But you know when this was announced and Frosburg sent
us the cool Trevor Lawrence little meme, you know, the
immediate is like looking at the numbers.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
And I started to just ponder.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
It's like is this good for the company, And for
a moment, I'm like, I don't know that it is.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
But it's settled, right, and now you might only one
man responsible for all this. There's only one man. One man.
Laurence should be thinking, who's that Brandon Staley? That that
is well done? Well, you want to remind.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
You gotta thank Frank Gore too, on his way out
of the NFL. No, I'm gonna make sure on this
big fourth down, I get it so I don't have
to worry about Trevor Lawrence going to the Jets.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
Frank Gore gift of Frank Gore. I could still see.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
You know, there's certain things in sports I will always
see in my mind. Right, there's certainly like I'm gonna
see that Andrew Nembard miracle three pointer and Tyrese Halliburton
walking around like he was just healed, and he just
he just stood up out of a wheelchair like I'm
gonna see that for a long time. I am gonna
see Frank Gore catching the football and falling backwards over
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the first doubt marker to clinch that game and be
saying we're not getting Trevor Lawrence, just falling.
Speaker 4 (46:59):
Here's my gift. I'm forty eight years old. I'm going
this isn't my lands gift to you. He here you go.
I hope you're okay. That's why I will send you
that police have to pay him. Oh man, I'll tell
you
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Speaker 1 (00:30):
Jerry West one of the greatest NBA legends of all
time who passed away earlier today at the age of
eighty six, and one of the things that is not
talked about enough for him when it comes to his
legacy because you hear as a player, was he a
better executive? Everything he did as an executive, But to
think about how he was the one responsible for not
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just the success of Kobe Bryant, but getting Kobe to
the Lakers, which change the course of the NBA. Like
you know, yeah, you guys believe in Kobe Bryant. Yeah,
we will see Kobe's career. But in nineteen ninety six,
which is one of the most loaded drafts in NBA history.
You see anywhere to say one of the greatest drafts ever,
ninety six comes up. You had so many other great
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players in that draft. Iverson was in that draft, and
here's Kobe who was coming out of high school. And
that was still a thing that nobody really knew about
the year before, Kevin Garnett was drafted out of high school. Right,
that was the first time leave here, Amy is he
gonna be He had an okay rookie here. He averaged
ten points a game his rookie year. But it's not
(01:34):
like he came to the league and Dominie wasn't Lebron James.
So taking a high school player was seen as a
huge risk, and it was. It was a huge chance
you were taking. And not only did the Lakers know
going in, Jerry West said this is the guy we
have to get. They made the deal with the Hornets
who were gonna take Kobe Bryant at thirteen, and they
were gonna trade Vadi Devots for Kobe and the rest
is NBA history. But to make that decision and to
(01:57):
know that if you're Jerry West, who said this guy
is gonna be the best player in the league one
day that this was their guy that they were teaming
with Shack. They had just signed Shaq as a free agent.
So Shaq is a Laker, and it's like, Okay, who
are you giving him? Who's the guy? And it's an
unproven kid out of high school that Jerry West says,
this is the guy that's going to be the best
(02:18):
player in the league. Like to have that kind of
vision and to be that that insistent upon it, and
and that changed the course of the NBA back when
taking a kid out of high school was a risk,
and this is the guy. You're not gonna get someone
who's been the league a couple of years to play
with Shaquille O'Neil. You're gonna give him a kid out
of high school. And look at how that decision turned out.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
But I mean, look at all the other attempts to
try to replicate that. Most of the time they're disastrous
or guys become functional NBA players on their third team
six and a half years later, they find them piece.
They become a rotational piece.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Right.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
The Bulls tried it a couple of times, miserable failures,
guys that couldn't play. You have to go back, you know,
based on rule changes and everything else. You know what,
what you had to kind of fight through and you
had a couple of guys that succeeded, but those were
twenty years prior to that, right, and so to know
that Kobe was going to be that guy to be
(03:16):
able to get that trade made still one of the
great days. And you know, want to talk conspiracy theories
when you get into all your your fun and exciting
things of frozen envelopes or whatever else. Really Kobe ended
up as a Laker, I know, but it's the hindsight
twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
But that was such a risk at the time and
for Jerry West to say, no, this is what we
need to do. And it's like to think about that
at the time, but yeah, it's a high school kid
and we're taking a rink of Okay, hey, thirteen teams
could have taken Kobe, right, so you knew he was
a mid first round pick. He wasn't like we got
to take him number one. You know, Hey, they had
seen Kevin Garnett and Kevin Garnette wasn't great yet. And
(03:54):
to know that then to say this is the vision,
Like he doesn't get enough credit for changing the NBA.
With that, I really don't care if these guys get
along or not. They're gonna be great together, man, because
I can see it. Rest in peace, Jerry West, mister Clutch,
eighty six years old.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
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Speaker 1 (04:18):
Get into Jason Tatum. Here for a second, who has
twenty seven tonight? It's ten for twenty one from the floor.
He's having a terrific night. Right three point. He's only four,
but he's still got four threes. Not shooting great a
percentage from threes, but he's taken a lot of heat
check shots to make me go wow. Here's a heat
check from Tatum. There's a heat check from Tatum. Everybody
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criticizes Jason Tatum and the critics that he has. They
don't want to give him any credit for being the
superstar that he is. And I'm telling you there's times
when I see him with it with the ball in
an offensive set where I think he's the most unstoppable
player I've ever seen because he's big enough to get
whatever shot he wants off. He's strong enough, he can
get to the rim, he can take a fade away.
(05:01):
There's times when I go, this guy is absolutely unstoppable.
And you've seen over the course of his career, which
is still in the first few years, how great of
a star he is. But he's not the star that
everybody has grown accustomed to the last few years in
the NBA. He's not Michael Jordan, where I want to
slit your throat and step on it and I want
(05:22):
to drink your blood on the way to the rim.
Right that's the same thing why it's why everybody love
Kobe Bryant. Right, Hey, I want to, I want to.
I want to choke you out and make sure that
you are not winning this game. That I'm going to
do it. I'm gonna hit free throws with a torn
achilles and then come out of the game. And it's
the same thing to a degree with the Warriors. We're
gonna blow the doors off of you. We're gonna come
out and hit threes and you're not gonna know what
(05:43):
the hell is going on. And Steph's gonna do the
good night thing, and Draymond's gonna yell and scream and
Clay's gonna.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Say, I'm one of the fifty best players in the game. Right,
this is what we're used to.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
But Tatum's not that guy. Tatum's a gen Z superstar.
He doesn't lead in the way that we expect or
have grown accustomed to our stars leading, so we don't
like him as much.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Oh, Jayson Tatum needs to do this, He need just
say this. That's just not who he is.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Jason Tatum is a phenomenal player on the court, and
you know what, you got to give the Celtics credit
for achieving. They've been to the finals now twice with
him as their best player. He's really bleeping good. But
just because he's not Jordan and he's not and he's
not even Pete Lebron that oh you know, Tatum, doesn't Tatum.
He's overrated. He's this even if they win this year,
they're not gonna win next year and all this stuff.
(06:26):
It's find a way to move the goal post on
Jason Tatum when seriously, it's okay, it's time to give
the guy credit.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
You don't need to be that kind of guy.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And let's face it, there's not a lot of guys
like that now, it's at different times, a different NBA.
It's different in twenty twenty four. The players that have
come up now have come up differently than the players
coming up. There's more than one way to lead and
more than one way to be a great player. And
we've seen Tatum. Hey, I know when to take over.
I don't make all the shots, but I know when
(06:53):
I can facilitate, which is what he did in game two.
I know when you need me to take the big shots,
which what we need now in game three, Like it's
time to give him so credit and give him some
flowers because you know, because everybody keeps moving the goalposts
on him. He just doesn't get that and he needs to.
I mean, are we gonna really sit here with him
holding up the Larry O'Brian trophy and go, hey, he
still stinks. I mean, people are gonna still try to
do it when that's wrong because he's just a different
(07:15):
kind of guy.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Well, and that's it.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Normally he responds to the critics with a little bit
at the podium and then he goes out and has
some big games and is you know, Ryan Hollins has
been sitting with me on Sunday mornings Fox Sports Sunday
six to nine Pacific. Tune in wherever you're at on
the iHeart radio app Shamble's plug, you know, talking about
(07:37):
him sometimes he then gets into a I'm going to
do it all and it gets them into quote a
little bit of trouble because it's hard to criticize what
they've done this year, right in terms of what he
does have a game, because you don't have a lot
of losses regular season are playoffs, you've kind of run
rough shot through everybody. So now you get into that
nick picking kind of thing. Now, I'm a Jalen Brown
(07:59):
guy myself. So you've got two guys running in parallel.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
And look, even.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Jason Kidd before the series was doing everything he could
to try to get them to go at each other.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
How do I how do I get a little bit
fight on the car? I got nothing.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I know, we're over overmatched, it out manned.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
But Adam Silver, if I get two guys on the
same team to fight, do they still get technicals and
thrown out of the yellow cards and we free throws?
That happens, right, We don't have to have a guy
on our team fight. Okay, just want to make Yeah,
we've seen that soccer, right.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
He just got a yellow cart.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
No, it's just on his own player, So it's it's
that kind of thing, and try to get them against
each other. And then it's just a which side you
go and and typically me being you know, a five
to seven uh ish uh little uh fire plug of
a guy, I'll usually go to the guard as my
chosen guy. And for Jalen Brown, uh, you've seen him
(08:52):
do some of that taking over and he gave us
one of the great quotes. Also, you know between the
Western or i'm sorry, the Eastern Conference finals into the finals,
ask what he did with his time off. He goes, well,
a lot of other guys, you know, families, they've got
to get the kids around, and you know, you got
your time because you know, I don't have the fan.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
I don't do that.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
So I just watched all the Harry Potter movies.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
So I just got it.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
So, you know, that kind of endeared him to me,
just kind of like, well, I didn't have a lot
of responsibility, So what did I do. I watch watch
some movies and kind of hung out.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
You know, I gotta say five is the best movie
and four is probably the best book guy.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I mean, that's the obvious follow up. It takes you
and ask a band guy, what are we talking here?
But you know, for Jalen Brown, for Jason Tatum, I mean,
they're gonna be linked at the hip and and if
you get the title, perhaps for a moment, everybody shuts up,
if only.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
For a moment. I don't know, man, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I think there's such an anti Tatum miss out there
that the Celtics win. The people, well, it's the fluke.
Look at the easy run they had everybody no, no,
but you know how to do this.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
But you know, people are gonna do that regard that
was set up no matter how well he played.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
But that's been the last couple of years.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
It's like we we look at the path and then
it becomes it, Well, they didn't have to play that guy,
didn't have to play that guy.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
It's like, okay, like you're.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Not gonna you don't have to play every team in
your you know, conference playoff bracket, and somewhere some team's
gonna get beaten that.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Unfortunately, they were not.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
At full strength right go back through you know your
knicks and the early run they had like people are
appreciated the moxie. Did they play everybody, get everybody's best shot?
Speaker 4 (10:31):
No, there were injuries.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
If the Knicks had somehow won one more game and
played the Celtics and the conference finals, they would have
got they would have got blown up because they look
they had.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
But I'm just saying even the Knicks run to that point, Yeah,
there were injury laden squads on the other side of
who they beat, and but.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
You celebrated for what it is right and and yes.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Can we are If you were gonna do the the
BS rankings of where did stack up is the greatest
Eastern Conference representative in the finals of all time, then yes,
let's talk about injuries and pats. But in the end,
if you're holding up a trophy, I don't give a
damn for all they But they're also the knuckleheads, and
God bless them. You know, you show up in a
(11:17):
suit and tie on a TV show, people pay attention
to the nonsense you spew.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
That's the way it works.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
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Speaker 1 (11:31):
There is a home run party going on right now
at Dodger Stadium. Okay, not not quite that man, it
will be, but yeah, just as the open to this
hour hits, Jason Hayward hits a two run homer for
the Dodgers, the Corey Seekers return to Dodger Stadium. Not
(11:55):
not exactly what he had in mind. Well, yeah, so
at least I can't say it's his fault. But right
now the Dodgers lead this again. It's a home run party.
It is fourteen to one now in the bottom of
the sixth inning, and the Dodgers just keep launching home runs.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Did they find out that the Yankees beat up on
the Royals ten to one? So he just had to
outdo them. We gotta have more. I wanta leads the
highlight shows. Will Smith has a home run. That guy
Ton He's got a two run homer. Freddie Freeman has
a home run. Taskar Hernandez has home run. Jason Hayward
has a TI oscar. Could be the MVP.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Nobody wanted, no, nobody wanted, nobody wanted improve it deal.
You know what.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
The home run that Will Smith hit, that one of
the graphics they put up. He's now third all time
among Dodger catchers for home runs. He had his one
hundred first career home run. He's like what like seventy
five away from Piazza something like that. Yes, and then
you got Campanella. But with hitting the home run the
night and he passed Steve Jeger.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Well, Steve, I just wanted to get the boy, like
twenty eight years time. You're took them a long timemit
those home runs a long time, long time ago too.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Oh that's a long long history.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Yeah, big baseball guy.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I mean again, at this point, you gotta think someone's
gonna be getting hit at some point because to just
keep hitting home runs.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Hey man, you just gotta do something. Man, gotta do nothing. No,
you gotta actually get somebody out. You gotta wear it.
At this point, what are they gonna do? Hey, you
know what, we're beating the hell out of you. We're
just gonna leave the bat on our shoulders like that.
I'll tell you time to pad some stats. Let's go
possible World Series matchup here.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Yes, we like that past weekend, Mike m Look at
your rosten, look at the box score. We're not gonna
get listen, the.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Phillies and the Orioles and whatever, else out there. Okay, Greg,
we got a guy named Gutter. They are not going
mia m v P pick. They are not going to
rob us of this Dodger Yankee World Series. We've been
waiting for like thirty five years for well, going all
the way back to We're not rob us of this
seventy seven, seventy eight and then eighty one. They're not
(14:11):
gonna rob us some shortened season. This is how it's
supposed to have. When they had like seven guys won
the MVP. Dodgers, we can't we can't pick between three guys.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Okay, we'll give them.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
The series stuff back to You know what we could
do with the NBA Finals, You get the whole team wins.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I mean really, I don't what no one is getting
in the way of the Yankees Dodgers World Series. Like
that would be seriously, it would be the big The
Red Sox winning in two thousand and four was was
a seminal moment for the rest of the world. But
you're talking about the Cubs in twenty sixteen was a
big deal.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
They beat the Indians too, right now, that was a
big said something's got to gain. Yeah, there was a.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Lot, but the attention that would be on every day,
like because with Cubs and the and the and the
Indians and the Red Sox, it was more about could
they win than it was about the series.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Right, that was a giant.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
There was more was about to his straight win and
the guys that never did. Right, here's another montage of
Ernie Banks and Ron Sano go through Ryan Sandberg, the
heartbreak of nineteen eighty four with the Padres, all of
that stuff go back to Bartman.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, look what you think, because when you think about
the Red Sox winning and four, is there a bunch
of stuff that comes to your mind. I mean, Poppy
was really good, he had a couple of runs, but
it's not one of those unbelievable world series.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Well, porzingis Red Sox, poor red Sock.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
And when you talk about the Cubs Indians World Series,
well you had the big home run in the ninth
inning off of It's artist Chapman that that tied it
Raji Davis and then the Cubs go on to win,
which is very how.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Many times Joe Madden made insane illogical moves with his
bullpen and got away with it time after time, but
they kept pressing his luck.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
No wammy, no wammy, Noamy.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
You had your moment there, but you didn't really have
something all this whole series. But every single moment of
this world series will be diagrammed and every pitch and
breaking down because of the star power of both of
these teams. It will be a world series that that
if in twenty years, people are gonna be able to say, Hey,
Yankees Dodgers world series, and you're gonna remember specific things
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from those world series. Yes, this all this play, when
this happened, When this happened, this in game two, this
in game five, this in game four, starting performance in
game one by Garrett Cole.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Whatever it's going to be.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
It's a world are that would actually have us talking
more about the World series game than if it's opposite
Monday or Thursday night football.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
Yeah, I mean, look, yah, yank talking about this series, Jason, Yeah,
what do you got? They gave out a stat on
the broadcast during the weekend that it was the most
uh Future Hall of Famers on the field at one time,
possibly ever. Yeah, I'm sure six or so. I'm sure. Yeah,
I'm sure and playing on the same field. It's the
same time and some.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Guys maybe more, right, Like if Anthony Volti continue used
to be great, he like to being a Hall of Fame, right,
it doesn't it doesn't matter if Will Smith continues to
rake and and and all of a sudden is the
biggest hitting catcher we've seen in the last fifteen years.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Right like this, this is how big Yankees Dodgers would be.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
It would dwarf, it would dwarf everything and the attention
and the ratings because everybody's gonna watch these games. Everybody's
gonna watch with the other teams was a could you win?
And that was the story. This is you gotta see
these games and talk about them and the drama. It
would just just think about just if you think Yankees Dodgers,
think about the games in the Bronx, the games at
Dodger Stadium, and how Dodgers Stadium pretty much looks the
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same now as it did in nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
And how much money you would make if you bought
some of those Judge Otani hats that were on sale. This,
ye guy, that was the stupidest thing. Like that judge,
you see that the Judge was a bigger funt. Yeah,
with that giant ninety nine there.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
I'm wanna put Judge in a bigger funt at a time.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
You know what, people were buying them at fifty bucks
a pop and the bibble had sold out like it
was a limited edition bobble.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
The worst hat ever, Like, why the hell would you
buy a it's half Aaron Judge?
Speaker 4 (18:01):
What in half?
Speaker 1 (18:02):
So noa no, no no, but you know what, half
Garrett Calton. It's half Judge and it's half Otani. So wait,
So a guy that plays for the Yankees and a
guy that plays the Doge on the same hat.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Still better than that Phillies Mets jacket.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Oh that Phillies Mets jacket was awful, Like, yeah, that's that,
That's that's London major League Baseball, and going oh, we
don't really understand. Oh they absolutely hate each other, these
two teams. Oh yeah, So who's gonna wear a jacket
with both the logos on it? Only someone who lives
in London, Like I'm waiting to see that Mets Phillies jacket.
That'll be on a Welcome Direcshum show. You'll see somebody
wearing one of those.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
They did show up and do his things.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Did a double play with Jay and Bryce Harper. Yeah,
the years later at Philadelphia a legend. I get to
do all these cool Philadelphia sports Then.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Would you not milk the hell out of that if
you had the opportunity. Of course, you show up at everything.
You have to cut a ribbon at the local, all
these open it up.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Come on, let me go. I love Rob McLeay. Gave
me some fake meat. Let's go great. I love Kate Olson.
I'm done with him and his Philadelphia look.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Look at me, like every time I see him now,
I feel like he's got tattoos of every single Philadelphia
team all over him. I got a scarf from the
from from the FC, I got a hat from Wrexham.
I got a Phillies jersey. I got seventy six or shorts.
I got Eagles shoes. This is fifty years. He's jealous,
(19:23):
fifty years of.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Scars for Philadela. Oh look at me. I stand for
every Philadelphia sports fan. Now look at me. I want
a Philly scarf.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
No, I don't want to get scarf. No, I don't
want a Philly scarf. I mean, we'll get you on
for your birthday. It's season seventy six. If it's always
sunny in Philadelphia. Hey, yeah, no, I don't want either
of those.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
No, no, no, What my favorite part of Yankees Dodgers
World Series is gonna be? What is it gonna be?
The amount of money it's gonna cost you to get
your data ticket.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
It would be a lot of money. It would be
a lot of It is gonna be a lot of money.
You're working December.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
I heard he wants dugout club and it's gonna be
a lot of money. It's gonna be a lot ten
g is at least, uh, don't tell me that. Yeah, on, dude,
I gotta dad. Here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
What I got you? Into the parking lot? Oh, you
got me in the stadium. No, no, in the parking
lot so you can be outside the stadium.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
If it's a Taylor Swift concert.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
You're gonna make bracelets to give to people and you
to trade like you're outside of the show.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Hey, I got a soda bracelet. Who wants to trade me?
I made one for my favorite middle reliever.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Oh that's great. Oh, oh, you have a Clay Holmes one.
I'll trade you this one for Clay Holmes.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
We're actually in the process of beginning the friendship bracelet
thing for our trip because you're getting ready.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Yeah, let's go. Oh yeah, it's gonna be a lot
of money for my dad though, it's gonna be a
lot of cash. That's okay.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
And the thing and the thing is is, you know,
shake it off. This is the hard Ah, very good.
The thing is is that I've had so many people
in my career kind of hint around if I could
get them tickets with oh, everybody assumes we get TV.
I gonna tell you, like we think, like in our
boss's office Scotch beer, there's a big ticket bowl that
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that just has tickets to all the big sporting events
on it.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
And you walk into his office.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
And he's on the phone and music's playing really loud,
and he's got his feet up.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
He goes, yeah, take what you need.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Just you know, only take like five or six World
Series tickets, right, Yeah, take a couple. Yeah, take a
couple of Final Four tickets. Whenever you want out of
that big ticket ball, just take it. Yeah, it's all good.
I'm on the phone right now and people think that's
the case. And I have no problem saying, hey, I
can't get into this game. You think you think I
can get in, and then they go, oh, you're not
as powerful as I think you wore. I'm like, well,
I don't really give a crap. I'm not getting you
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a ticket. But how do I tell my dad? Dad,
I can't get you a ticket. Don't you work at Fox?
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Yes? Isn't five seventy a Fox station? Yes? Can't you
get me a ticket?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
No?
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Dad, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
And then you say, cough up a buck, you cheap.
I bought your breakfast. I gotta be able to get
him a ticket somehow. Well, I mean, you're just gonna
off the pony up. You're just gonna have to say,
all right, Dad, all these years of being torn by
your squad and you will become the biggest Dodger fan.
I'll front to the hat, right, profret, I'll pay for
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his hat. I mean, it's gonna cost me extra because
of the size of your head, but I'll do it.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Yeah, you're gonna have to give up McDonald's for like
ten years.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Oh, I mean, what kind of no, you kid? That's
where I'll be eating for ten years in Afford.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
What kind of jersey we're putting on you? He's not
getting no, no, no, not him on you. You've got
to be in full Dodger garbage. You're gonna go with him.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
I'm not gonna go.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
He's gonna go on a night when we're doing the show.
I can't get off on a night during the World Series.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Are you kidding? Oh?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Hey, sorry, I did off during the World Series. It's
the Yankees, not yeah, but I need off. Oh sorry, No,
you could call in.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
I've got a way out. You got what's my way out?
You tell the bosses you're Alex Deeischer.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I'm hey. I need off the next three week night
World Series. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, listen, I need off
game Game three and four of the World Series.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Yeah, what else?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
And I need the night of the National Championship game
in college football and college basketball off right yeah? And
I also need the day after the Super Bowl. And
I need uh oh yeah, every night there's an NBA
Finals game.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
We have a story now that a Major League Baseball
umpire has been disciplined for violating the league's gambling rules.
This is ten days after the league levied a lifetime
ban on the Pirates minor leaguer. And again, I want
to say right away it is not Angel Hernandez. Just
saying it's not Angel Hernandz. I know people say, oh,
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it's got to be Angel Hernandez.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Wild to by.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Not Angel Hernandez. Is not near the story. It is
not near. It would explain some of his calls. But
he is not near this story at all. He is
not near this story.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
It is not Angel.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Mean to implicate the Padres. I'm watching him losing to
the Mets.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
It's nothing. They were on the.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Brains, not Angel hernand not Angels. Are you sure I
am positive? I am positive.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Angel under the name of No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Fred Hoiberg gonna be he's the mayor. It is not
Angel Hernandez. He is not near the eye. Look, not
in this story. Umpire Pat Hoberg. Now, maybe you say, wait,
that name sounds familiar. This is because he was the
guy that got the perfect score and umpiring Game two
of the World Series last year. He called every single
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pitch correctly, got every got every ball in every strike right,
a perfect game for an umpire behind home plate. He
is not umpired this year, and obviously most likely because
Major League Baseball has been looking into him violating the
league's gambling policy. And this is why you could talk
about players get but whoa, whoa, whoa when an umpire
referenced me, which not too long ago, we remember the
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Tim Donaghy situation. It's why would we see stuff like
Scott Foster's out a game. The NBA knows that they're
sending to games. Okay, they really want to see a
game five, they're sending the extender right, which, which you know,
there's there's an angle of that is well, But when
you're talking about an umpire who has gambled on games
like this is a guy that understands and knows and
and we don't know any details as to what he
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has gambled on. He hasn't been on a field all year.
He called the perfect games.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
So in theory, you could have just said, hey, he
was retired, because I mean, how do you improve on perfection?
Speaker 4 (25:19):
You're done.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
He's only been umpiring for seven years in the full
time change. He's got a full pension. You know what,
you're going to take an early retire.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
No, no, you get a full pension at seven years.
I think you had to go at least ten.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Ten, you got at least ten because I usually special
rules for perfection is all I'm trying to say, first
perfect game, we can retire. Wait, he's going to be uh,
he's going to be in trouble for violating some rules.
You know, we're just going to say he went out
with his perfect game.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I mean, this is this is way worse than any player,
because this is someone who has more control over the
game than anybody else, the home player, especially the home
played umpire, first base umpire, third base empire. Now we
don't know what he's gambling on, but does he knows
sir and umpires and what they like to call.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
And hey, this umpire hates.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
This pitcher, so we're gonna find out, like the sausage
is made really poorly. And oh yeah, I knew to
bet Angel Hernandez when Madison Bumgardner pitchers. I knew to
bet against Madison Bumgardner because and I'm just throwing names
out there. I'm just using names to make my example here,
Like Angel Hernandez hates Madison Bumgardner. So anytime Bumgarner would pitch. Hey,
I'd bet on that game because I know he's not
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gonna give Bumgarner anything. Like there's certain things like that,
and forget about the whole Hey, I'm calling balls and strikes.
I'm Leslie Nielson in Naked Gun. You know, not quite that,
but just the stuff that he might know that he's
throwing this out there. I mean, that's crazy because if
you're a player, at least if you're a player, it's you.
You can only control so much, and you control what
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you do. You don't control what anybody else does. You
control you doing. You're one player. Now if you're a
pitcher it's a little bit bigger deal because you have
more control over the game pictures and catchers have the
most control over the game. But it's still you only
control so much. You're in the umpire. You don't control everything.
Like to have an authoritative figure that suddenly, hey, you're
the one who has violated rules, it's like, whoa dude,
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this is this is a really this is where major
ly babe, Okay, this is where this is something that
we really have to get into and show everybody that
baseball is safe, right, Umpires are safe. The guy hasn't umped,
so you know something that's got to be going back
to last year that wow, he umpired the World Series
and this was going on then because the guy's not
been you know, umpiring now, So this is something major
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League Baseball's got to come out and say, hey, you
can't just broadbrush this and say here's a whole played
umpire that was no, this is this is what he did.
This is how we control it. Everything is fine. Major
League Baseball is safe. You can invest in us like
a bank. Hey, you know, I know we lost money
and you know we got robbed or whatever it was.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
You can bank with us. Banking is safe, you can
do everything.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Like Baseball's got to get into this now because this
is a donneghy situation that that is not going to
bring trust in the game.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Defense. You're trying to.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Bring Uncle Billy in from It's a wonderful life. I
see what you do. Their financial insolvency. No, what's curious
in their statement though, like there's no specificity potential violation
of MLB's sports betting policies. As we talked talked about,
there's a lot of angles to that in terms of
time place down distance other games, et cetera. While MLB's
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investigation did not find any evidence that games worked by
mister Hoberg were compromised or manipulated in any way, MLB
determined that discipline was warranted. Mister Hoburg has chosen to
appeal the destermination and therefore we're not commenting any furthers.
So you know, you leave it in this nebulous form
of all right, you're off the field, so it goes to.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
How far does it go?
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Right and immediately because you start thinking about other umpires
being implicated or their tendencies that you know he's just
aware of. As you alluded to player beef, right, Scott Foster,
Chris Paul one of the great beefs in the NBA
for years, right, and always going back and forth. Uh,
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some players coming back actually advocating for Scott Foster, which
is kind of funny knowing he'll he'll referee a game
and you may not have to try to catch a
pass from Chris Paul. But in this there's just so
much unknown of He was still on the field for
a World series. You laid it out, he called a
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perfect game, like if you had any inclinations on any
of it. At that point, he's not on the field.
He's gone, and you're you're getting past that. Now he
got a perfect game. That's great, but it's still all right,
what are your processes? This comes up during spring training?
How does this get alerted? You suddenly have someone you know,
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looking to bounce their way up into the rotation of
crew chiefs and stuff that goes, Oh, I've got some information,
Like I'm just curious how this you know, what was
brought to light to Major League Baseball in their offices
to even start investigating. You know, where's the smoking gun
in this process?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah, if there's certain gambling you can blow off, right
like for instance, right we talked about the minor league
for the Pirates last week that that got caught. Like
if you're if you're injured and you're not playing and
you're gambling and you keep losing the way that Tukompeter
Marcano was doing. Uh, Okay, you know this wasn't a
guy that was playing one hundred and fifty games a year. Okay,
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that's fine because the leagues know coming in, Okay, when
gambling comes, we're not pollyannas where we just think that
everything is gonna go great. We know some people are
gonna be stupid and they're gonna try to make money.
They're gonna gamble. We just have to hope and police
it that it's not star players, it's not everyday players.
It's not players gambling games. They played it like there's
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certain gambling you can get by. But when it's an
umpire like this is like like like I get that
you you want to make sure that everybody you know
is treated fairly and equally. But if you're a pop sorry,
beound baseball games.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
I mean Nick, not even legally.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Do that, Kigy do that. This is I want to
go back and watch eight Men Out again. I mean
I really I want to do I want to go.
I mean, this is this is crazy when you think
that here's an umpire and again people don't know his name,
but remember we just told you World Series he was
the perfect game umpire and that usually think Jim Joyce,
that's the imperfect game umpire. This is the perfect game
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umpire who was like oh yeah, and now he's caught
up in this. This is this is something that Rob
Manford and I'm hoping that he embraces this, but again
he doesn't want anything to be on his MLB tombstone,
on his Wikipedia page it shows anything other than hey,
pace of play was great and everybody made money. He's
got He's got to really show and be public with this.
You can't bury this story. I mean, the fact that
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this comes out on a Friday night on during a
game during the NBA Finals. What does that tell you
that where Baseball wants to go out the story? But
this is like whoa what umpire betting on the games?
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Whoa? Whoa? Whoa? What umpire? Who was umpiring in the
World Series? Whoa? Whoa?
Speaker 1 (31:59):
And if you're umpiring then and you're gambling? What does
that mean to other people that umpires? Are they gambling?
Gun that you're umpiring because you know that. I mean,
there's so many things that it's not just hey, here's
a guy, Ball's coming right down the middle one come on,
uh baalt No.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
But that's the point like that, I stress from the
what we did get in the statement from Major League
Baseball is that there's no appearance of impropriety in games
he umpired. So like, okay, how big does this get
in terms of can you prove knowledge and cooperation with
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other umpires, right, what are the tendencies?
Speaker 4 (32:44):
You know?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Can you do like they do for all stats? Right,
anything that happens in a game, We've got all the
statistical pulls. Is the first time this has happened since
blah blah blah?
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Can you do that with umpires like that? That he knows? Hey?
Speaker 3 (32:56):
On you know, every other Tuesday he calls more were
strikes than balls, thereby keeping the keeping the hitters you know,
on their toes, and being more aggressive at the plate,
thereby creating more run scoring. I mean, I don't know,
like it's really a curiosity because again, nothing that he umpired.
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So is Angel Hernandez not gonna get in snares?
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Why?
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Because you did it first? I just know I did
a call back to you. I just had to make
sure people knew.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
He was nowhere near this story. Yet he's now right now?
Speaker 1 (33:33):
He is not because if I said to you, you
know people are talking this we go hear that story
about the Major League Baseball umpire got got caught gambling
when he shouldn't. Oh, Angel, people do Angel Hernandez? Why
is that why it's stop?
Speaker 4 (33:46):
But it's not. He is nowhere near this story. I
was is not near the story, he's not.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
But there may be other umpires that become part of this.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Like I said, we talked about there's some different nuanced
things that could happen. Whether it's people he knew, people
knew him, what he knows about umpires and how they
feel about certain pictures. It's all out there.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Man. He was safe.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
No, no, Well, Angel Hernandez blew the call and the
infield being back should have cost him the game.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
It didn't.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Well that should tell you right there. Gambling betting on
the White Sox not good for you. You have got to
be can made for you.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
We had a seismic NFL story break a couple of
hours ago, and I gotta say, I if you asked me,
I said, I knew this was coming, and I knew
it was a bad idea, and it's a bad idea.
Trevor Lawrence has just gotten absolutely paid because he was
a stud at Clemson. Lawrence gets a five year, two
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hundred and seventy five million dollar contract extension, two hundred
million dollars of it is guaranteed one hundred and forty
two million dollars at signing bonus. The average salary when
you when you when it divided it all up fifty
five million dollars a year. That ties in with Joe
Burrow for the top mark in that category in the NFL.
So the two quarterbacks now who have set the quarterback
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market are Joe Burrow and Trevor Lawrence. So let's examine
this for a second hilt before I tell you again
what a bad idea this was for the Jaguars. Joe Burrow,
I get it right, guy went to the Super Bowl.
He is that good. His problem is staying on the field.
That's gonna be the question mark. But if Joe Burrow
was the guy, because look, when guys come up and
they're worthy, they set the market.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
That's kind of how it goes.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Trevor Lawrence, I mean really, I think he's getting paid
because the Jaguars think he's coming out of Clemson and
he's going to be great. It's like, let's ignore the
fact that the first three years of his career he's been.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Okay, well the first year doesn't count, right, he's been
on I mean, you get you were with urban Meyer
and the train wreck.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
He come on.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Urban Meyer was perhaps the worst head coach since Code Tight.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
He wha, wha, wait a minute, now, wait a minute,
I don't care.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
Hang on, I don't care. I'll say it. Wait faster,
hang on. No, Code Tite was worse. Okay, all right.
I had to go back and think.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I had to go back to think about it for
a second, because you know what comes back to It
comes back to code Tite. Not because the Jets were
so awful on the field, but he was the guy
that cast the vote when they said we're coming up
in the draft. The scouts are split, do we take
Altun or Jerry Rice, And he said take Altune out
of Wisconsin. Jerry Rice, I don't know that he can
get separation at the next level. So the Jets took Altune.
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All right, that's why it's co Tite. Forget about one
in fifteen, forget about all that. He was the one
that said no, I would take altuon. So they took Altune.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Five hundred and seventeen career receptions, Tune six hundred yards out.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Tune was really good. We had a good career. A
couple of thousand yard seasons and nearly this the third time. Dude,
altuone was good.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
We missed on the best wide receiver in the history trying.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
I'm trying here because if you're gonna put that up
as you know, the hallmark of why this is a disaster.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
The guy he picked actually was pretty damn good.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
The guy the go a see, hey, that guy sucked
and was washed out of the league in you know,
eight games.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
And his name was Altuon.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, yeah, I know, that's normally how it goes for
the Jets, and they did yell tune every time he
caught it past.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
And then they benched their guy named Nathaniel Hockett. Okay, okay,
we'll get to that.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
We'll get We only have we only have so much
time for Jet for Jets here. Look, Trevor Lawrence has
just been Okay, he had a he had a good
twenty twenty two which made you think, okay, maybe he's
turning the corner.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
He went from a twelve and seventeen a quarterback rating
of seventy, which is which is in the bottom five
of the league, and then he had a pretty good
second year. Okay, that's great, Hey, Trevor looks like he's
on the path to being that guy. The big playoff
win over the Chargers, it looked like Trevor Lawrence was next.
And last year he wasn't good. He wasn't good.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
He was awful the last few weeks of the regular season.
That said, they were only helped by the fact that
the Eagles were such a disaster.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, you know twenty one and fourteen,
not that I'm sitting here and I am always beholding
two touchdowns and touchdown passes, and but you have to
be dyt if you're gonna get fifty five million dollars
a year, man, if you're gonna get three or four
million dollars a game, you gotta give me better than that.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Man, you gotta be better.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Than a quarterback rating of eighty eight, which puts him
at twenty fourth overall in the NFL. No matter how
you slice it, he's just been okay. And yet the
Jaguars paid him like, hey, he's still like these last
three years don't matter.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
It's like we're getting him brand new.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
When he was a stud at Clemson, right, It's like
why Sammy Watkins, they thought he was gonna be good
for so long. Boy, what a stud at Clemson. Sammy
Watkins out. Sammy Watkins was just turned out to be
just a guy. Trevor Lawrence is smack dab in the
middle of quarter in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Right now.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
If you were saying, who do you want for this
next couple of seasons in the NFL, Trevor Lawrence is
in the middle. There are twelve to fourteen guys you
would take over him, but he's getting paid because he
was supposed to be next and the Jaguars still we
don't want to lose him. We don't want to start over.
I understand that, But dude's got to understand where he
is in the NFL. All right, Yes, we won the
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playoff game against the Chargers two years ago. That was awesome,
what a great comeback. But look at what you've done, man,
You've not been good. You have not been good. You
have been just about league average at best. I'm not
gonna give you fifty five million doll What are you
insane giving him that guy fifty five million dollars a year. Hey,
the rest of the quarterbacks the NFL are happy because
they're like, hey, if Trevor Lawrence gets fifty five million, man,
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that couldna get like ninety. The owners aren't happy because
wait a minute, Trevor Lawrence is setting the bar here
again at fifty five million. But this this contract, he
is way overpaid. And not that it's my money, right,
because I want to say it's not my money. That
all jealous guys getting too much money is that you
only have so much money to pay for a team,
and you're trying to win.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
You're trying to win the Super Bowl. And when you
have a guy taking.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Up twenty to twenty five percent of your of your
salary cap, you don't have room for the better players
you're gonna need to bring in. If you're giving a
guy fifty five million dollars, this guy's got to be
a Pro Bowl, all Pro level quarterback.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Man.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
You can't just be some guy that, hey, he can
be a Pro Bowl replacement when three guys say no
because they're playing in the in the AFC playoffs. I mean, like,
this is a guy that I don't know the next
Pro Bowl he's even gonna make, right, Like Trevor law
he's just not been good. He doesn't take care of
the football. He throws too many interceptions, like to pay
the guy because he's league average. Okay, great, you want
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to extend him twenty five third, okay, But to take
up that amount of your salary cap is just insane.
And all you've done is make it more impossible to
keep good players because you need good players around him.
He had the best wide receivers you could possibly put
around him. Last year, you had Ridley back from suspension.
You had Christian Kirk who turned into a superstar. You
were on Christian Kirk getting of the Year last year,
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how good he was. And still this is where you're
at now, right, and Ingram coming out what a great
tight end he was, and you're coming off a year
where hey, in sixteen games, twenty one touchdowns, fourteen picks.
This is not fifty five million dollars a year, man,
this is I looked at this and I just said, wow,
this is a mistake. I said, just blinking in red
Light's a mistake. Mistake, mistake, that's his whole thing.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Well, I look at it as here's where the market
is at this point in time. And rather than play
and time the market which is you know, any financial
advisor will tell you bad idea you're ready to.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
Buy a house. You're ready to buy a house down.
I don't try to time the market. You'd like a stock.
Look at where it's at.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Don't try to play the games that it's going to
go up or down some greatness. Get after it, right.
You know you fell in love with that boy or
girl down the street. Maybe you know you shared a
cupcake during fifth period. I don't know it. Now's the
time to say, wait, wait, wait, wait, how.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
Are you cupcakes during fifth period? Okay? Good? You know
what I mean?
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Like all of that stuff, and for this purpose, you know,
we know this. The salary cap keeps rising. He's not
gonna be any cheaper a year from now. He's been
good in spots. Would you have a three to one
touchdown to interception ratio the year prior? Last year was
just an unmitigated disaster down the stretch. They could write
(42:18):
books or maybe Netflix will do a documentary on them too.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
Seeing you like, he was just straight lighting it up.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
It's not like he had he had an average year
and then had a works final.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
No, like he was fine, right, he was fine the
year before.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
But like you know, I'm just saying all in the
quarterback position is the one where logic gets thrown out
the window man, and it always has and it always will.
Like all the quarterbacks that are standing around waiting, aren't
excited Jerry Jones, you know the he was really excited
about Datless losing yesterday and being on the verge of
(42:53):
being swept. He ain't so excited anymore after seeing Trevor
Lawrence get this pile of cash for one thousand years,
four thousand yards twenty one and fourteen. As you said,
uh completed about two thirds of his past attempts. So solid,
not spectacular, but where the market is, and out of
that draft class in twenty twenty one, he's the last
(43:15):
man standing too. Right in terms of what that next
wave of guys that we're gonna be to get paid,
Jacksonville just looked at it. Said, from the pragmatism standpoint
is does he have.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
Room to grow?
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Twenty four years old, gonna turn twenty five in October? Okay, Yes,
he's got a couple of years in the system.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
Check.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
We've got some players around him, so we should be better.
Check and going forward, are we gonna be bad enough
to where we can find ourselves another Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
The answer is no.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
But when you get at Trevor Lawrence, you're talking about
can you get a league average quarterback somewhere, because that's
what he's been right.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
Well, but the point is that your quarterback.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
But the point is you're not gonna be drafting high
enough to go find even his replacement at this point.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
But you could have got Kirk cut You want.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
To pay money, you could have got Kirk Cousins, Well, no,
I want it. Well, yeah, you could go get Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Particularly if the league's only gonna find you two hundred
fifty k. It's almost some half ass third day pick.
Are you kidding me? We tampered with nine guys. Here's
our penalty? What what kind of league officer? We run
it now?
Speaker 1 (44:18):
But you can go get a guy that's gonna get
there's no shortage of players that can go twenty one
and fourteen and throw for four thousand yards. You can
get that from Gardner minshew, Ay, there's your guy, and
all you gotta do is pay him in sandwiches and
jorts and that's all and hair product. That's just like Trevor. Oh, okay,
(44:40):
you know that's cat's gonna be a wash buddy. Yeah, no,
no wash, You're right. I would give him the hair product.
I'd throw that in at the end and say, okay,
but that's it.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
This is the end. Like there's no more.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
I mean, there's no you can get that from Derek Carr.
You get even more than from that from Derek Carr.
Derek Carr is not really any good like you I
could I he's Mayfield, Baker. Mayfield has already had a
better season last year and he was yearn then Trevor
Lawrence has had his first three years. Like it's like
we project him. The idea of Trevor Lawrence seems better
than it is. It's like you gotta start paying attention, man,
(45:09):
Like this is this is not a guy that's rewriting.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
The record books. This is not saying he is.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
This is not a guy who suddenly is, hey, we're
winning division year.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
After year after years. This guy's not doing any of that.
He's not doing anyhow.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
He's solid, not spectacular. Has had moments where you think
maybe it's gonna start to click. I'm just saying it's
it's it's just pure economics and where the market is. Uh.
And you could have said no, and then you can
play the game on franchise tags and whatever else.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
Jason.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
But you know when this was announced and Frosburg sent
us the cool Trevor Lawrence little meme, you know, the
immediate is like looking at the numbers.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
And I started to just ponder.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
It's like is this good for the company, And for
a moment, I'm like, I don't know that it is.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
But it's settled, right, and now you might only one
man responsible for all this. There's only one man. One man.
Laurence should be thinking, who's that Brandon Staley? That that
is well done? Well, you want to remind.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
You gotta thank Frank Gore too, on his way out
of the NFL. No, I'm gonna make sure on this
big fourth down, I get it so I don't have
to worry about Trevor Lawrence going to the Jets.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
Frank Gore gift of Frank Gore. I could still see.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
You know, there's certain things in sports I will always
see in my mind. Right, there's certainly like I'm gonna
see that Andrew Nembard miracle three pointer and Tyrese Halliburton
walking around like he was just healed, and he just
he just stood up out of a wheelchair like I'm
gonna see that for a long time. I am gonna
see Frank Gore catching the football and falling backwards over
(46:52):
the first doubt marker to clinch that game and be
saying we're not getting Trevor Lawrence, just falling.
Speaker 4 (46:59):
Here's my gift. I'm forty eight years old. I'm going
this isn't my lands gift to you. He here you go.
I hope you're okay. That's why I will send you
that police have to pay him. Oh man, I'll tell
you
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