August 17, 2023 • 38 mins
Jason and Mike give you the reasons why so many fights are breaking out at NFL joint practices. Deion Sanders chides his players who didn't join in Colorado practice fight. Aaron Judge calls the Yankees out after another bad loss. Plus, the guys give you some clarity on Trey Lance’s future in the Bay Area.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Greetings, Welcome in side our one, the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Here on Fox Sports Radio. Jason Smith Mike Harmon in
for Doug Gottlieb Today we're Livebatirack dot Com studios. As
we are, Mike, you and I. I think what we
need to do today. We need to get in a fight. Okay,
(00:43):
we need to get in a fight, because that's all
that's happening now at NFL practice.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I got every problem with that fights over. You and
I need to get in a fight.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
I feel like I'm ready to throw some bo's as
it is right, lots going on, lots swirling. Sometimes you
need to have that aggressive outlet available to you.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I'll take off my helmet, swing it at you. Oh
that's good. We'll choreograph this so we don't be the
referee that catches it. Like the earlier practice from today,
I will frafford.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
To let us go.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I think no, I say, I'm not getting involved. Sure,
I'd like to spank your bald head and lick it.
I think that's how it's gonna goes our fighting words
right there. Yeah, I think you got to let it go.
I mean, you know it's the old we what do
we have bull in the ring when we were younger.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Well, you just you just just gave me flashback.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Now you go and you'd fight and try to take
the guy down. All right, now you have the ball
and you had to from take on all comers. I
mean it taught some toughness. Some might thin get bordered
on cruelty, but that yeah, I mean now you can
just have folks, uh stand around in the ring and
celebrate us as we become pugilists for the moments.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Man bull the just to this out bad bull in
the ring I had, I had dreaded fears of football practice.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Are we going to do bull in the ring again?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Because you know what, I started playing, I was like
five to five, and I'm like, I am not made
for bulling the ring. I'm not married. It's it's in
football practice. Everybody gets in a ring and everybody claps.
Everybody claps, and there's one person in the middle of
this ring that's maybe about I don't know, ten to
twelve yards in circumference. One person's in the middle, and
the coach takes a football and throws it to somebody
(02:20):
and the person's got to catch it, run right at
the end, not allowed to joke them that right at
the person in the middle, and that person has to
tackle him. And as soon as the tackle is made,
the coach says, give me the ball.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
He throws the football to somebody else.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
You're getting up off the ground while somebody else has
a big head of steam coming towards you.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I hated that. Hated it. Hey, I can't believe that's people.
Actually the performed very well in that drill. Oh.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I hated that. Noct gravity. I'd get the tackle and
as give me the ball.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, I hear the Oklahoma drill, and I go that
that's that's that's candy good, that's eating candy. Compared to
bulling the ring like bullet oh, it's stilting bad bulling
the ring. But this is what's happening in NFL practice.
The last couple of days is there's fire everywhere, right.
The Cowboys had a joint practice fight or had to
fight between themselves yesterday at practice. We saw Mark Andrews
body slamming a commander's dB at practice yesterday as well.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
You saw tempers flare between the Jets and the Bucks
yesterday where one of the Jets assistants their dB coach
had to be taken to the hospital because he jumped
in the middle of it. Robert Salah canceling the second
day of the joint practice between the Jets and the
Bucks because he says, Ah, the second day is usually
when people wind up getting hurt and things get chippy.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Soday, they said that that was already in process of
being canceled before, so.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Maybe that was just beIN. That was the exclamation point
in it. That was.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Anything any reconsidering of getting back on the field together.
I think after yesterday you probably said it's a good
time to move on.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Then today we get the New England Peyton Packers brew
haha at practice again. A joint practices happens all the time.
And then you got Deon Sanders jumping in when there
was a bit of a Freakis at Colorado Buffalo practice yesterday,
he jumped in telling people, Hey, if one person fights,
we all fight, all right. Now, well, this is a
lot of fighting. It's a lot of fighting. Is all
(04:08):
for one, one for all?
Speaker 4 (04:10):
I mean, it's three musketeers and not the chocolate confection
you're used to know.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
You're in for each other. This is team.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
This is better than this is better than the heavyweight
division of actual fighting. This is better than fighting pretty good.
But well, the don thing is separate. And I look
at this and it's being misreported and mischaracterized. But the
whole thing about fight, Now, maybe this is just me.
Maybe I feel like this solution is too simple. But
sometimes the simplest solution is the best one. We're seeing
(04:38):
more and more fights, they're being reported more. It happens
every year, and I would say there is an uptick
in fights this year compared to years past, because look,
they're happening every day now, and you get the same
stories all the time.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Guys are getting tired.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Of seeing the same faces, Guys are getting tired of
want to hit somebody. Well, no, now it's happening at
joint practices. Now, it's happening when you're playing against somebody else.
And many of the reasons it happens is because because
these practices aren't adjudicated as well as NFL games are,
it's easier for guys to jump on the field, get
involved in something. You don't worry so much about a
flag being thrown or getting thrown out of a game,
(05:11):
so it's easier. But I say this, I say that,
and and this is a simple thing. The reason these
fights happen is because it is bleeping.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Hot, hot hot.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
As you know what, Every single day, planet's getting hotter.
Everybody summers are hotter, they're longer, everybody's hotter. All the
players are bigger, they're badter, they're faster. Would it kills
some teams to have a practice at night? I mean,
how about you just have a practice at night when
the tech stopping this a little bit cool? Because tempers
(05:45):
flare when you are hot and you're I mean, just
an in regular life. Aren't you madden about things when
you're hot than when you're in an air conditioning environment
or you're not so sweating.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
The blaze is going. I just got to get out of it,
as I can't.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Even think right out now when you're hot and you
get mad, and when you get mad, you want to fight.
And I think there's all these fights are happening smack
dam in the middle of the day, and guys are
getting out of control. There's body slams going on, and
if there's coaches going to the hospital.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Now this is not hey, oh we're standing up for
each other.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
No, is that there are casualties starting to pile up here.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Now.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Yeah, I mean, look at the average global temperatures depending
on your source, you're talking about one to two degrees
of an increase since eighteen eighty.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, but I want to make and I watched Volcano
and I watched Anne Hashtel, Tommy Lee Jones. That kind
of increase is amazing. And pretty soon we're gonna have
volcano coming out of Lebrea tarpit.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Well, I know, we've got some weird weather patterns and
we're actually we're paying attention to some of the Weather
Channel right because we might get some huge storms to
hit here in southern California here in this coming next
seventy two ninety six hours.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Mike, we're going to get a tropical storm in California
for the first time since nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I think everything's getting hotter, everything.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Tracking Hillary, Yes, anyway, being that, Look, people are in general,
it's hot in the summer. I remember the days of
Mayor Daily back when I lived in Chicago many many
years ago, talking about how they needed to have cooling
centers and all of these things and look in on
the elderly and all. And he kept responding by just going,
(07:18):
it's hot. And every time he responded to a reporter
he would start with that, and is the pitch of
his voice would keep going up higher and higher.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Tod, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Look, you're gonna have the practice, even if it's at night.
I don't know about you. It still gets bloody hot
in a lot of I mean we're in the valley here,
right where our Fox Sports radio studios are. A lot
of times I'm driving in at six point thirty in
the evening, it's still one hundred degrees on my dashboard.
You're telling me the guys aren't still gonna be pissed
(07:47):
and looking to swing at each other.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Then no time of day doesn't matter. Sure it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
No, they're still hateful and angry. No, listen, let me
tell you this. Five degree cooling down. Ain't going to
do it. Hey, it's only ninety five. Now you feel
better about life. No, it's still hot.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
On our show a couple of weeks ago, when you
were off one night, Alex Tischer took your credit card
ordered food for all of us. It was like one
hundred and twenty dollars bill.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah. Now, now, mistakes were made.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I'm not saying they were mistakes were made, but you
were a little upset about that.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Now, if that.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Happened, those numbers out those are rookie numbers.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
If you had that happens, you're in studio after an
air condition drive the end of the show. You're sitting
in an air conditioned studio. You're upset about something like
that happening, but you're a little bit calm, You're cool,
Your reasoning is okay. Now, let's just say you drive
all the way up here from your house and you're
driving with the windows rolled up and no air conditioning, and.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
You it's just dripping wearing my sauna suit. Yes, you're
lose those extra couple ounces. Before I get in front
of the cameras of the Fox Sports radio studios.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
You are also waiting you are also wearing your you're
wearing a vest, you are wearing a Santa suit, You're
wearing it.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
You show up and guess what. I guess what.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
The studios are an air conditioned either and everybody's hot,
and you walk in and the first thing I'd say is, oh, hey, man,
so we ordered food and we put it on your
credit card. It's like one hundred and thirty bucks. You
would hit there. You would look like anger from inside out.
You would get so mad, right because you're hot, Because
you're really hot, man, tempers flair. When you're hot, it's happening.
Things happen because it's hot. So if you practice at night,
(09:22):
just I don't know, because that happens, you could do
that once. I'm not saying you got to do it
every day because I get you are. Hey, we're building
and we're making sure that everybody is coming together and
we're building team camaraderie. And yes, it's about sweating and
being a but it wouldn't kill you to have one
or two practices at night. Hey, why don't we have
this joint scrimmage at night? And I got a better idea.
If you had a joint practice with another team, at
(09:42):
night and you put it on television. Do you realize
what the local numbers would be? What for people would
watch for the Jets and the Bucks. And I'm not
saying put this on national TV. Everybody's gonna flock to it.
Obviously it's preseason football. You're talking about a joint practice.
But if you put that on TV night in New
York and Tampa, everybody would watch. In Green Bay and
(10:04):
in Boston, you put the Packers and the and the
Patriots on it, everybody would watch. You would get big
ratings for it. People have this desire for football because
they want to see the stars play.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yea discussion.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
No, what I'm saying is I can solve a problem
and I can turn it into a positive, like the
Jets getting Dalvin Cook. I solved the problem, then turn
it into a now the best running back room in
the NFL. I solve the problem. I turn it into
a positive. I am full service. I don't just stop
at solving problems. I solve problems and I make it
even better. I should be a lawyer. I'd be you know,
I'd be a great lawyer, except they know nothing about
(10:37):
the law. But my speeches and my commercials would be awesome,
they'd be so great.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Yeah, you still have that felony on your record, so
there's nothing.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
There's no there's no felony. There's no felony. Stop, don't
put false things out there. No felony.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Well, I mean they'll find out as they try to
vet your history.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
If you take a mailbox on a Sunday and you
return it on a Sunday, it's not a crime because
there's no mail on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
So nothing happened. And it was over twenty five years ago.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
It's not true either. I would have mail delivered on
Sundays now, I.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Would just have you just have a bad mail service,
that's what you.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
How about they're extra dedicated because they want to make
sure seven days a week, I'm getting taken care of
the How about.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Your You were probably supposed to get that mail on
Friday and you got it such I.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Was there either way, they were still out there on Sundays.
Doesn't matter. Look, we know a couple of things are true.
Full moon, we have to worry about the lichen thropes
around us. And then when it's hot, Yeah, people get
a bit agitated standing in line. You've got to you know,
go to sit at a wait at a bank, or
you're out at a theme park or standing in line
(11:41):
for a food truck. I mean, there's plenty of places
where whereby those things are gonna boil over being professionals. Now,
I like the cut of your jib of saying how
do we profit off this? And certainly more televised events
and joint practices and the interviews and everything that you
get there.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
No, there's a lot of positivity. You wear some of
the alln Jersey combinations, get in there and sell, sell, sell,
But the idea that it's just hot. So that's why
these guys are fighting.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Hot, telling you man, it's simple. It's hot, it's hot,
it's already hot.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
I've already done with the preseason hot like you went
when when when the mailman delivers your Becketts at nine
o'clock on a Sunday night?
Speaker 3 (12:18):
I was supposed to get these at five o'clock on Friday?
How am I supposed to get these? Great?
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Are we rewinding to the eighties with Beckett at this point?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Bringing them back? Retro's big?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Now the other part of this, now, the other part
of this conversation is Dion Sanders who made a lot
of headlines in the last twenty four hours about his
reaction to a brawl at practice. Well, not a brawl,
but after a late hit during a drill. Dion gets
a lot of attention for what he did instead following
the drill.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
We'll get to that coming up next. But I'm telling you, Mike,
it's hot, hot, hot, hot, hot. It's hot. It's that simple.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
If it wasn't as hot people in general, if it
wasn't as hot, you wouldn't have as much road rage,
you wouldn't have as much people being upset cutting in
front of you in lines.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
If you didn't have hot, things would be better.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I like that you're trying to excuse bad behavior and
people being stupid, not excusing it.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
No, that's no, No, No, that's no.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
That's what you're trying to do here.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I'm not grown up. I'm explaining it. That's how it is.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
It would there would be less I'm not saying you
still don't have bad intentions or and and and maybe
you know you need to be looked after a little
bit by the by, by the police.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
There's a lot of miscreants out there. Don't trying to
dismiss that I have bad actors.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Try to deliver a new panin he said to this guy,
and he got mad at me. He started throwing hot
clamchowder at mecuse I was running away.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
He was mad. He said he need these cards. On Friday, man.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
I had a live stream scheduled for five, and you've
shown up at seven.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
That ain't helping me.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
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brawls at practice a few minutes ago, and a late
breaking story last night because it was just put on
social media by Dion Sanders' son.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
There was a brawl ish at Colorado Buffalo's practice yesterday.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Look, Dion is one of the biggest, most high profile
coaches in college football. You can say it's him and
Nick Saban, right, I mean, really, these are the guys, right,
Dion is who's next? He makes news every time he
says something. After a play in which a running back
got kind of a late hit in the end zone
clear after he crossed the goal line, there was a
bit of a dust up as one of their offensive
(16:04):
linemen didn't take too Kanye. That gets in the face
of the dB and then you see some players come
in as it is in a brawl. Many players come
in to try to act as peacemakers. Some players come
in and want to mix it up, and things get
calmed down eventually. Well, it's been reported that Dion Sanders
told his team if one person fights, we all fight.
(16:26):
He was mad that more people didn't fight in this
And I'll tell you what, you gotta watch this because
this is completely being mischaracterized. I'm not a guy that's
gonna defend Deon Sanders on everything because for him to
walk in and just start firing Colorado players right in
his introductory press conference. Was kind of was kind of
low class. But look, the guy's a really good coach.
He's got a big thing going on. He's everything he
(16:49):
does gets a lot of attention. He's getting a lot
of bad attention for this because this is what he said.
We're gonna play the audio for you. This is what
he said after the the brawl was settled and everybody's
getting back to getting ready to run the next play.
This is Dion in the huddle with his offense, and
this is what he's upset about.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I see two of y'all walking off, and you gotta
keep teammate.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Fight nowhere, not where I won't fight, well fight, you
understand that.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I don't want to see y'all walking off and put
somebody's fight.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
So a little bit different than hey, why is no
one fighting? If one person fights me, we all fight.
This is not you feel like it's the Anchorman scene
when they're all walking in with all these different weapons. No,
what he's what he's been reported is that if one
he's upset that there wasn't a fight, and that's that's
a complete mischaracterization of this what he's doing, And I
completely get it. He's saying, I saw two guys walking off,
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and if one person fights, we all fight. Meaning if
there's a fight going on on the field and you're
out there on the field, you have to get out
there and protect everybody. You're out there to do whatever
it needs to be to make sure that this gets
taken care of. He didn't say, he didn't say that
you shouldn't break up the fight. He didn't say I
want people swinging and throwing patches. He said, I want
(18:09):
you out there because yeah, that's a bad look. Because
if I'm out there, something's going on and I see
two of my teammates that are walking off the field,
I'm like, dude, we're all out here, man, we're all
out here. I don't I don't know what's wrong. Well,
what the hell is going on here? So I completely
get what he's saying. He's got a lot of bad
press for this, and he shouldn't.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
He's just promoting unity, right, look out for the guy
on your squad, look out for your teammate. You don't
know if it's going to escalate, don't know how quickly
it's going to dissipate, go in there and be a peacemaker,
hold guys away, try to figure out how to flow through.
But if you're got a number of members of your
offensive defensive unit that are walking off the field, there's
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still some disconnect and discord, and he's promoting just being
together in all of this. You you fight for each other,
and he's not looking for helmets to go flying like
we've seen that these NFL practices. No, no, no, it's
it's more just the energy and emotion and just buy
(19:08):
in to each other to protect and look after each
other as your team building going forward. They've had a
lot of adversity, right, he spent a lot of time
in and out of hospitals with what's been going on
with his own health, right his foot, his leg, all
of those things. So you know, they're still building as
they get ready for this season and what comes after
(19:29):
as they transition and college football becomes a whole different
world for all of us to try to pay attention
to and navigate and put everybody in the right boxes,
But certainly for a team that's rebuilding from scratch, because
how many.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
People did he lose?
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Man, You look look at what he did to that roster,
like you're trying to get everybody together and on the
same page and making sure that the message is clear.
You know, from player one through the last guy and
last walk on that this is how you do it
is making sure you're all it together and this is
a circumstance by which to get that message across.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, he was cutting people like Homer castle An added
out of your cut, Millhouse, your cut, Nameth Ustad, your cut,
your cut, your cut, your And it's funny because there
was actually we I was in a brawl in high
school in football my junior year, and this is weird.
You're going to think I'm a horrible person for what
I was thinking during the brawl. But there was a
game we're playing, and I didn't play that much my
(20:26):
junior year. I was on special teams. My first year
of varsity, I was on every special team. I played
a little bit, but I really didn't get to play
a lot. And so there was a late hit on
our quarterback out of bounds on our sideline by a
defensive player on the team, and the game was kind
of chippy until that point. And now I couldn't see
what was going on because I tried to look down
and I couldn't see, but all of a sudden you
(20:47):
could just see there's something happening. And all of a sudden,
the players stand, the team start coming over, you start
running over. And our field was really dusty, so it
was so it was really we had a really horrible field.
It was like a big dust ball, right, every all
dust is kicking up like something's going on, and everybody
is and then suddenly all of us are off the
bench and we're all off onto the field and and
nobody really knows what's going on. And luckily it wasn't
(21:08):
where everybody came over to fight. I was kind of
we were kind of on the periphery of the outside.
So they were just like kind of holding on to
other players like you know, you know, stay away, stay away,
stay away. And all I was thinking was, Oh, when
we watched the film of this on Monday, I'm gonna
be on the field.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
I'm on the field. Look at me. I'm on the
field for a long time. We're just holding guys back. Oh,
I hope I'm not in the dust. I hope people
can say. I gotta make sure my back is to
the camera, so you can see my nut drag. Otherwise,
why weren't you I'm back on. Look at me.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I'm out on the field, man, look at me. That's
all I was thinking was, Oh, we watched this on Monday.
I'm gonna be awesome. I guess what, we didn't watch
the tape. We didn't watch tape's coach said, we're not
gonna go over this. I don't want anything like this
to happen again. We're gonna go right onto the next play.
I'm like, that's the most I've been on the field
all year.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Come on, how is this? Come on? You gotta show
I never got to see it, never got to see it.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Well, it'll always live in your heart. And I'm sure
someone's got that tape.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Now.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Well, I'm sure we get on Earth Day. We can
have a viewing like they did for the famous play
on King of Queens. We'll misidentify who made the big block.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
And everybody knew I was on the fields. It was good,
like everybody knew that everybody was on the field, so
there was that bit of togetherness. I wasn't starting a fight,
I wasn't trying, but I was out there and that
that's kind of what Diana is getting to right. This
is what he needs to do. Everybody needs to be
in this together. You don't walk off the field, hey,
try to make the peace right. Like I said, he
wasn't mad at people that were making the piece. You
(22:37):
were just saying, why weren't you out there?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Why are you walking off? I guess this is not
my fight. It's not the way it works. You're wearing
the helmet, you've got the logo.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Let's go coming up in ninety seconds, we'll get to
that crazy story about the Yankees and something that you're
not gonna believe. Now, speaking of New York, we watched
last night something happened to the Yankees that we haven't
seen since nineteen ninety five. Think about that for a second.
You're going back twenty eight years. The Yankees getting swept
(23:09):
last night. Their record fell to sixty and sixty one.
It is the latest they have been under five hundred
in a season since nineteen ninety five. Right now, that
speaks to the era of excellence they have had. Because
what happened in nineteen ninety six, Here comes Jeter, here
comes Pettit, here comes Bernie Williams.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
They win the World Series. It would have again two
years later, and the Yankee dynasty is off right.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Nineteen ninety five when Jack McDonell was a fifteen game winner.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Oh look at you, Blackjack, yas nice.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
There you go, Hey, so there you go. We got
yin and yank. You've had that negative White Sox story,
now positively and.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Then you're leading home run hitter that year in for
the Yankees. You want to guess who it was?
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Scott Brocious, Paul O'Neil. Oh, okay, that's about it, right too,
that's about right.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Mike Stanley and Bernie Williams each had eighteen.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
So this is the level of excellence the Yankees have had,
which is something to really be. But this year's team
not the same. Look we talked we've talked about this
a lot, you and I, well, a couple of months
ago you could tell this wasn't the Yankees year. The
team is just not good and there was nothing they
could do with the deadline that was going to make
them better because they need too much help.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
What do they need? They need starting pitching? What else
need they need? Bullpen? What else you need?
Speaker 4 (24:19):
They need?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Hitters?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
It's too much to fix, that's too much to fix
it a deadline, and it was just it was actually shocking.
The Yankees were still five or six games over five hundred,
but now here they are under five hundred, last place
in the AL East. And Aaron Judge now has had enough.
He put out put this out last night saying, quote,
we're not showing up. That's what it comes down to.
(24:41):
We're not showing up when we need to, especially down
the stretch right now. We're not capitalizing when we need to.
So now you've upset the best of the Yankees have
going for themselves, and that's last year's AL MVP in
Aaron Judge, I'm gonna tell you this, because we've known
for a while the Yankees aren't making the playoffs. You
are gonna see some kind of crazy stuff this offseason.
(25:02):
You are going to see the triple crown with the
Yankees new general manager, new manager, and a lot of
new players. They're gonna get rid of some of these guys,
are gonna try to get rid of some of their contracts.
They're gonna they're gonna try to buy buy out some players,
try to pay some salary to trade players other places,
whether it's stanton someone else, there's going to be this
Yankee team that you're gonna said, you're seeing right now,
(25:25):
what you're gonna see in the spring is going to
be unrecognizable from the team you're seeing right now, unrecognizable.
Four new starters at least on this team, new pitchers,
knew everything, new manager, new general manager, and all of
it is needed because the Yankees have driven to the middle.
And this is this is part of you know, not
being the Steinbrender Yankees of old, which you hear all
(25:46):
the time, oh or not the old Steinberger Yankees. But
it's absolutely correct. Brian Cashman used to be a daring
GM that didn't care about trading prospects to bring in
players to keep that Yankee machine rolling. But now he's
afraid to trade any anybody who comes up because he's
afraid that if any guy comes up and they trade
him and he turns out to be good, he's never
gonna hear the end of it.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Right.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
He said a couple of times, hey, would you consider
this deal, joking around, saying I gotta walk around in
this town. I can't make I can't make a trade
like that. He's afraid he is driven to the middle.
Doesn't mean they will still go out and get players.
They still do, but not nearly. What kept them the Yankees?
What keeps from the Yankees spending money? The allure of
New York. You have to use what you have, right,
Why are people going to the Mets Because Steve Cohen
(26:26):
will give you more money than any anywhere else in
the league. So yeah, okay, I'll go to the Mets.
You got to use what your advantages are. The Yankees
don't do that. They won't trade their prospects, even though
the rest of the league values Yankees and Dodgers prospects
higher than any other team in the league. If you
got the number ten prospect with the Marlins, you would say, ah, right,
(26:47):
that's not bad. If you have the number ten prospect
the Yankees, you're saying, oh, who do we get? Oh?
This guy's guy's going to be a star. You can
continue to make moves, and the Yankees just don't do it.
What they do with the deadline nothing. They made a
cosmet move, Hey maybe this can work out, and instead
it seemed like they were ready for this to end.
Everything's going to be new next year, GM Manager players
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all of it.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
With the Yankees, Well, it's time to re up and
reevaluate how you build a roster with the rule changes
in Major League Baseball. They currently are batting two thirty
one as a team. There is one team in Major
League Baseball with a worst batting average, the soon to
be Nevada A's.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
That's it. I'm just said. You didn't say the Mets
right there, because I know they're pretty bad.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
You may your twenty third run scored your thirteenth and
team era not bad, right, only four teams with fewer
quality starts, So go into the bullpen with great regularity.
Runners in scoring position hitting among the bottom three in
Major League Baseball. The aforementioned A's and the Royals are
(27:50):
down there with you. You get them on, get them over,
get them in. They're among the league leader in walks
from the hitting side of things, but you're not playing
those runs. Small ball, the ability to generate runs that
is now so imperative in Major League Baseball as opposed
to the three outcomes that we've been looking at for
so many years. They didn't adapt, they didn't adjust, And
(28:13):
for Brian Cashman, look, they've had great success, right, ninety
year plus wins every season, every full season since twenty sixteen. Right,
you obviously have your COVID shortened year, but otherwise you're
finishing first and second in division pretty much every year. Well,
the division got better too, Right. We talked a lot
about women's soccer and and the field catching up and
(28:36):
maybe slowing down and all those things that contribute to
a lesser performance for them. Same thing with the Yankees.
All of a sudden, the Orioles are getting things right.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Well, count right, everybody look out. They figured it out.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
And even the Red Sox in a down year are
just as good, hanging around five hundred with you, Right,
the Blue Jays. You look at the Rays, they fallen
to ninety wins even if you can't name a player
on their team every year.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
And that's the thing is that you hit on exactly
what it is the Yankees have done that has contributed
to their demise. Right, you talked about the teams that
are getting it done. Look at the Orioles. Why are
the Orioles at the top of the Al East. These
are all young players who have come up together. They
have a sense of camaraderie, a sense of I'm in
it for this guy, and that helps your team chemistry
(29:28):
in a large way.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Right, Why are the Braves at the top same thing? Right?
Speaker 2 (29:31):
You had a lot of players come up that all
played together in the miners. They all got ten year,
one hundred million dollar contracts, and the Braves are saying
we're gonna be great for years. Dodgers. Dodgers have figured
out the same thing. Their mix of veterans of the
top players in the game and the players coming up.
There's a flow, there's a flow, and there's a plan
for these teams. Look at the three teams that are
(29:52):
failing the most spectacularly this year, the Mets, the Padres,
and the Yankees.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
What have they done in the last year? What they do?
The Yankees have done this for years.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
The Mets and Padres has decided we're just gonna put
a bunch of guys out there. We're just gonna sign
some guys. We're gonna put guys out there and just
let them go play. And there's no sense of how
do we take advantage of the new rules, how do
we adapt when now there's no more shift? So a
guy like Jeff McNeil, who was the NL batting champion
last year, is hitting one hundred points lower than he
was there's no adjustment. How do we adjust to stealing
(30:22):
bases now? Because it's a lot easier to with players
pitchers only allowed to go over twice during an at bat.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
We can take advantage of that.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Those three teams just put out a bunch of guys hoping,
hey there's talent out here, go play, and they're all
getting left behind. They're all getting left behind by these
teams that have figured things out and are coming up.
The Rays the same way. Look at how the Rays
have flowed through this season. All the way through. They
got caught. The only reason they're not in first place
because I got caught by the Orioles. We're just happen
to play a little bit better than them right now,
but they're still twenty three games over five hundred. This
(30:52):
is what happened. This is why the Yankees need a
complete new restart, and this is opening their eyes to
it because they're seeing all these teams in the Al
East making that run. And the one thing I will
tell you is the Yankees aren't gonna sit back and say, hey,
we're rebuilding. It's gonna be a couple of years. No, no, no,
it's an immediate reload. You're gonna see the Yankees have
a big time over correction of what's going on in
the offseason. Just watch Twitter and how about a fresca
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coming any day, involving a player that just making all
kinds of news the last couple of weeks.
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a couple of weeks ago on our show, actually more
than that. Get ready for a quarterback trade. It's going
to happen at some point during the preseason, and now
we're getting to the time where it's going to happen,
and it's going to involve Tred Lance and he's gonna
be an X forty nine er any day.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Now.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Every day there are stories about how bad he is,
and a lot of it, I'm sure is over the top,
about how he can't he can't get it done right.
Just today, there's been different stories involving Steve Young and
his criticism for Trey Lance. A couple of reporters said
he should go play in the CFL. Lashawn McCoy says
he does. He didn't even belong in the first round
(33:25):
of the draft. I mean, every single day, no matter what,
Trey Lance can do nothing right. And from a football perspective, yeah,
we're kind of seeing that, right, We're kind of seeing
that he struggles and and brock Perty's going to be
the starter. And now it looks like Sam Darnold not
only is going to start the next preseason game as
a way to try to figure out who the next
starter is, he's going to wind up being the backup
(33:45):
and Trey Lance is going to get dealt and it's
gonna happen sometime soon.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Yeah, Jays. Something we've been talking about even going before
the draft was the likelihood that he was on the
outs there in San Francisco, unavailable due to in and
then all the reports out of practices. The addition of
Sam Darnold to the equation some positivity on Donald. I
mean to talk about where the reporting has gone with
(34:12):
Trey Lance. There's a photo circulating of the quarterback room
of looking over plays and talking it out, and he's
looking the other direction, right, So the opportunities for the
slings and arrows in his direction are certainly there all
over the place. And then we watched a bit of
(34:33):
the preseason Game one confirmation bias, perhaps if you were
already leaning that way. For me, it's just been a
very easy nod of if he's not the guy you
got the sunk costs proposition of your draft picks. So
everybody kept clinging to that he's got to play, He's
got to play. No, he doesn't. That's a long time
(34:54):
ago that you made the investment of those draft picks.
If he hasn't developed and you haven't been able to
see because of injuries and because of the ascent of
brock Purty and everything else, that you can move on,
and you need to move on. You've got a team
that is the roster is built to go and contend
in the NFC. If he's not in the plans, it's
(35:17):
time to look it over. We talk with Jason Cole,
our guy Hall of Fame voter. We joke with him
about the Hall of very Good, but a Hall of
Fame voter working over an out kick, longtime NFL scribe,
and he estimates that you really haven't seen any difference
in what his valuation would have been in terms of trade.
That it's been a fifth round pick at best, even
(35:37):
going back to the draft period. So now it's the
wait and see does some situation on another team deteriorate
or they have an injury that needs to be plugged in.
But otherwise, yeah, his role with San Francisco, it seems
destined to end here in short order.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Look, and I don't even know that it's a fifth
round pick.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I think if a team calls and says condition six
or they would say yes, because there's teams that because
look what teams are gonna do is they're gonna look
back at his evaluation, even though it's four years ago,
and they're gonna say, oh, okay, we go back to
where he was evaluated because he hasn't had a lot
of football. Maybe we can take a flyer on him
and he turns into something we fix anything exactly right,
(36:20):
But he's a guy, he's got talent, and let's see
if he needs a change of scenery, he can work
his way in and he's out of the spotlight, and
teams like New England easily could do something like that
because hey, you know, Belichick doesn't like mac Jones, and
maybe Trey Lance comes in and Trey Lance is really good.
If not, it doesn't matter, right, Like New England can
do it, you could see other teams. I could see
(36:41):
a team like Tennessee doing it. I could see the
Commanders doing it. Uh, there's teams out there that could say, yeah, okay,
we'll go get Trey Lance and and and see if
he turns into something for us.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
And if he doesn't, what did we give up?
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Really didn't give up anything, right, we can get a
sixth round pick that or conditional sixth it turns into
a seventh. If he doesn't play, he's out on the
roster a certain amount of time. It costs you nothing
but to potentially get a quarterback who had first round
talent once upon a time and you just haven't seen
enough of him.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Yeah, why not?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Why not let him go be out of the spotlight
for at least half the year or so, learn a
new offense, and then maybe you get him on the
field a bit. There's a couple of teams with telling
you that could work, and I can see them calling
and making that happen, and the Niners will say yes
right away. They'll say yes right away to whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Well, because that's the other thing is for the forty
nine ers at some point, you don't want this to
be a question that lingers, right, if Purty struggles, well,
shouldn't Trey Lance get a shot?
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Haven't we seen the Sam Darnold train a couple of
times before all of that? If he's still on the roster,
it still creates a lot of questions and something that
you're gonna have to address as a unit from the
GM and the head coach with some regularity. It's time
to move on from it.
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
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Here on Fox Sports Radio. Jason Smith Mike Harmon in
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we are, Mike, you and I. I think what we
need to do today. We need to get in a fight. Okay,
(00:43):
we need to get in a fight, because that's all
that's happening now at NFL practice.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I got every problem with that fights over. You and
I need to get in a fight.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
I feel like I'm ready to throw some bo's as
it is right, lots going on, lots swirling. Sometimes you
need to have that aggressive outlet available to you.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I'll take off my helmet, swing it at you. Oh
that's good. We'll choreograph this so we don't be the
referee that catches it. Like the earlier practice from today,
I will frafford.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
To let us go.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I think no, I say, I'm not getting involved. Sure,
I'd like to spank your bald head and lick it.
I think that's how it's gonna goes our fighting words
right there. Yeah, I think you got to let it go.
I mean, you know it's the old we what do
we have bull in the ring when we were younger.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Well, you just you just just gave me flashback.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Now you go and you'd fight and try to take
the guy down. All right, now you have the ball
and you had to from take on all comers. I
mean it taught some toughness. Some might thin get bordered
on cruelty, but that yeah, I mean now you can
just have folks, uh stand around in the ring and
celebrate us as we become pugilists for the moments.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Man bull the just to this out bad bull in
the ring I had, I had dreaded fears of football practice.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Are we going to do bull in the ring again?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Because you know what, I started playing, I was like
five to five, and I'm like, I am not made
for bulling the ring. I'm not married. It's it's in
football practice. Everybody gets in a ring and everybody claps.
Everybody claps, and there's one person in the middle of
this ring that's maybe about I don't know, ten to
twelve yards in circumference. One person's in the middle, and
the coach takes a football and throws it to somebody
(02:20):
and the person's got to catch it, run right at
the end, not allowed to joke them that right at
the person in the middle, and that person has to
tackle him. And as soon as the tackle is made,
the coach says, give me the ball.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
He throws the football to somebody else.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
You're getting up off the ground while somebody else has
a big head of steam coming towards you.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I hated that. Hated it. Hey, I can't believe that's people.
Actually the performed very well in that drill. Oh.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I hated that. Noct gravity. I'd get the tackle and
as give me the ball.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, I hear the Oklahoma drill, and I go that
that's that's that's candy good, that's eating candy. Compared to
bulling the ring like bullet oh, it's stilting bad bulling
the ring. But this is what's happening in NFL practice.
The last couple of days is there's fire everywhere, right.
The Cowboys had a joint practice fight or had to
fight between themselves yesterday at practice. We saw Mark Andrews
body slamming a commander's dB at practice yesterday as well.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
You saw tempers flare between the Jets and the Bucks
yesterday where one of the Jets assistants their dB coach
had to be taken to the hospital because he jumped
in the middle of it. Robert Salah canceling the second
day of the joint practice between the Jets and the
Bucks because he says, Ah, the second day is usually
when people wind up getting hurt and things get chippy.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Soday, they said that that was already in process of
being canceled before, so.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Maybe that was just beIN. That was the exclamation point
in it. That was.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Anything any reconsidering of getting back on the field together.
I think after yesterday you probably said it's a good
time to move on.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Then today we get the New England Peyton Packers brew
haha at practice again. A joint practices happens all the time.
And then you got Deon Sanders jumping in when there
was a bit of a Freakis at Colorado Buffalo practice yesterday,
he jumped in telling people, Hey, if one person fights,
we all fight, all right. Now, well, this is a
lot of fighting. It's a lot of fighting. Is all
(04:08):
for one, one for all?
Speaker 4 (04:10):
I mean, it's three musketeers and not the chocolate confection
you're used to know.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
You're in for each other. This is team.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
This is better than this is better than the heavyweight
division of actual fighting. This is better than fighting pretty good.
But well, the don thing is separate. And I look
at this and it's being misreported and mischaracterized. But the
whole thing about fight, Now, maybe this is just me.
Maybe I feel like this solution is too simple. But
sometimes the simplest solution is the best one. We're seeing
(04:38):
more and more fights, they're being reported more. It happens
every year, and I would say there is an uptick
in fights this year compared to years past, because look,
they're happening every day now, and you get the same
stories all the time.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Guys are getting tired.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Of seeing the same faces, Guys are getting tired of
want to hit somebody. Well, no, now it's happening at
joint practices. Now, it's happening when you're playing against somebody else.
And many of the reasons it happens is because because
these practices aren't adjudicated as well as NFL games are,
it's easier for guys to jump on the field, get
involved in something. You don't worry so much about a
flag being thrown or getting thrown out of a game,
(05:11):
so it's easier. But I say this, I say that,
and and this is a simple thing. The reason these
fights happen is because it is bleeping.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Hot, hot hot.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
As you know what, Every single day, planet's getting hotter.
Everybody summers are hotter, they're longer, everybody's hotter. All the
players are bigger, they're badter, they're faster. Would it kills
some teams to have a practice at night? I mean,
how about you just have a practice at night when
the tech stopping this a little bit cool? Because tempers
(05:45):
flare when you are hot and you're I mean, just
an in regular life. Aren't you madden about things when
you're hot than when you're in an air conditioning environment
or you're not so sweating.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
The blaze is going. I just got to get out of it,
as I can't.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Even think right out now when you're hot and you
get mad, and when you get mad, you want to fight.
And I think there's all these fights are happening smack
dam in the middle of the day, and guys are
getting out of control. There's body slams going on, and
if there's coaches going to the hospital.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Now this is not hey, oh we're standing up for
each other.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
No, is that there are casualties starting to pile up here.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Now.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Yeah, I mean, look at the average global temperatures depending
on your source, you're talking about one to two degrees
of an increase since eighteen eighty.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, but I want to make and I watched Volcano
and I watched Anne Hashtel, Tommy Lee Jones. That kind
of increase is amazing. And pretty soon we're gonna have
volcano coming out of Lebrea tarpit.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Well, I know, we've got some weird weather patterns and
we're actually we're paying attention to some of the Weather
Channel right because we might get some huge storms to
hit here in southern California here in this coming next
seventy two ninety six hours.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Mike, we're going to get a tropical storm in California
for the first time since nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I think everything's getting hotter, everything.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Tracking Hillary, Yes, anyway, being that, Look, people are in general,
it's hot in the summer. I remember the days of
Mayor Daily back when I lived in Chicago many many
years ago, talking about how they needed to have cooling
centers and all of these things and look in on
the elderly and all. And he kept responding by just going,
(07:18):
it's hot. And every time he responded to a reporter
he would start with that, and is the pitch of
his voice would keep going up higher and higher.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Tod, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Look, you're gonna have the practice, even if it's at night.
I don't know about you. It still gets bloody hot
in a lot of I mean we're in the valley here,
right where our Fox Sports radio studios are. A lot
of times I'm driving in at six point thirty in
the evening, it's still one hundred degrees on my dashboard.
You're telling me the guys aren't still gonna be pissed
(07:47):
and looking to swing at each other.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Then no time of day doesn't matter. Sure it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
No, they're still hateful and angry. No, listen, let me
tell you this. Five degree cooling down. Ain't going to
do it. Hey, it's only ninety five. Now you feel
better about life. No, it's still hot.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
On our show a couple of weeks ago, when you
were off one night, Alex Tischer took your credit card
ordered food for all of us. It was like one
hundred and twenty dollars bill.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah. Now, now, mistakes were made.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I'm not saying they were mistakes were made, but you
were a little upset about that.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Now, if that.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Happened, those numbers out those are rookie numbers.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
If you had that happens, you're in studio after an
air condition drive the end of the show. You're sitting
in an air conditioned studio. You're upset about something like
that happening, but you're a little bit calm, You're cool,
Your reasoning is okay. Now, let's just say you drive
all the way up here from your house and you're
driving with the windows rolled up and no air conditioning, and.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
You it's just dripping wearing my sauna suit. Yes, you're
lose those extra couple ounces. Before I get in front
of the cameras of the Fox Sports radio studios.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
You are also waiting you are also wearing your you're
wearing a vest, you are wearing a Santa suit, You're
wearing it.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
You show up and guess what. I guess what.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
The studios are an air conditioned either and everybody's hot,
and you walk in and the first thing I'd say is, oh, hey, man,
so we ordered food and we put it on your
credit card. It's like one hundred and thirty bucks. You
would hit there. You would look like anger from inside out.
You would get so mad, right because you're hot, Because
you're really hot, man, tempers flair. When you're hot, it's happening.
Things happen because it's hot. So if you practice at night,
(09:22):
just I don't know, because that happens, you could do
that once. I'm not saying you got to do it
every day because I get you are. Hey, we're building
and we're making sure that everybody is coming together and
we're building team camaraderie. And yes, it's about sweating and
being a but it wouldn't kill you to have one
or two practices at night. Hey, why don't we have
this joint scrimmage at night? And I got a better idea.
If you had a joint practice with another team, at
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night and you put it on television. Do you realize
what the local numbers would be? What for people would
watch for the Jets and the Bucks. And I'm not
saying put this on national TV. Everybody's gonna flock to it.
Obviously it's preseason football. You're talking about a joint practice.
But if you put that on TV night in New
York and Tampa, everybody would watch. In Green Bay and
(10:04):
in Boston, you put the Packers and the and the
Patriots on it, everybody would watch. You would get big
ratings for it. People have this desire for football because
they want to see the stars play.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yea discussion.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
No, what I'm saying is I can solve a problem
and I can turn it into a positive, like the
Jets getting Dalvin Cook. I solved the problem, then turn
it into a now the best running back room in
the NFL. I solve the problem. I turn it into
a positive. I am full service. I don't just stop
at solving problems. I solve problems and I make it
even better. I should be a lawyer. I'd be you know,
I'd be a great lawyer, except they know nothing about
(10:37):
the law. But my speeches and my commercials would be awesome,
they'd be so great.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Yeah, you still have that felony on your record, so
there's nothing.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
There's no there's no felony. There's no felony. Stop, don't
put false things out there. No felony.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Well, I mean they'll find out as they try to
vet your history.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
If you take a mailbox on a Sunday and you
return it on a Sunday, it's not a crime because
there's no mail on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
So nothing happened. And it was over twenty five years ago.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
It's not true either. I would have mail delivered on
Sundays now, I.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Would just have you just have a bad mail service,
that's what you.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
How about they're extra dedicated because they want to make
sure seven days a week, I'm getting taken care of
the How about.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Your You were probably supposed to get that mail on
Friday and you got it such I.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Was there either way, they were still out there on Sundays.
Doesn't matter. Look, we know a couple of things are true.
Full moon, we have to worry about the lichen thropes
around us. And then when it's hot, Yeah, people get
a bit agitated standing in line. You've got to you know,
go to sit at a wait at a bank, or
you're out at a theme park or standing in line
(11:41):
for a food truck. I mean, there's plenty of places
where whereby those things are gonna boil over being professionals. Now,
I like the cut of your jib of saying how
do we profit off this? And certainly more televised events
and joint practices and the interviews and everything that you
get there.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
No, there's a lot of positivity. You wear some of
the alln Jersey combinations, get in there and sell, sell, sell,
But the idea that it's just hot. So that's why
these guys are fighting.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Hot, telling you man, it's simple. It's hot, it's hot,
it's already hot.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
I've already done with the preseason hot like you went
when when when the mailman delivers your Becketts at nine
o'clock on a Sunday night?
Speaker 3 (12:18):
I was supposed to get these at five o'clock on Friday?
How am I supposed to get these? Great?
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Are we rewinding to the eighties with Beckett at this point?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Bringing them back? Retro's big?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Now the other part of this, now, the other part
of this conversation is Dion Sanders who made a lot
of headlines in the last twenty four hours about his
reaction to a brawl at practice. Well, not a brawl,
but after a late hit during a drill. Dion gets
a lot of attention for what he did instead following
the drill.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
We'll get to that coming up next. But I'm telling you, Mike,
it's hot, hot, hot, hot, hot. It's hot. It's that simple.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
If it wasn't as hot people in general, if it
wasn't as hot, you wouldn't have as much road rage,
you wouldn't have as much people being upset cutting in
front of you in lines.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
If you didn't have hot, things would be better.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I like that you're trying to excuse bad behavior and
people being stupid, not excusing it.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
No, that's no, No, No, that's no.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
That's what you're trying to do here.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I'm not grown up. I'm explaining it. That's how it is.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
It would there would be less I'm not saying you
still don't have bad intentions or and and and maybe
you know you need to be looked after a little
bit by the by, by the police.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
There's a lot of miscreants out there. Don't trying to
dismiss that I have bad actors.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Try to deliver a new panin he said to this guy,
and he got mad at me. He started throwing hot
clamchowder at mecuse I was running away.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
He was mad. He said he need these cards. On Friday, man.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
I had a live stream scheduled for five, and you've
shown up at seven.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
That ain't helping me.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
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brawls at practice a few minutes ago, and a late
breaking story last night because it was just put on
social media by Dion Sanders' son.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
There was a brawl ish at Colorado Buffalo's practice yesterday.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Look, Dion is one of the biggest, most high profile
coaches in college football. You can say it's him and
Nick Saban, right, I mean, really, these are the guys, right,
Dion is who's next? He makes news every time he
says something. After a play in which a running back
got kind of a late hit in the end zone
clear after he crossed the goal line, there was a
bit of a dust up as one of their offensive
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linemen didn't take too Kanye. That gets in the face
of the dB and then you see some players come
in as it is in a brawl. Many players come
in to try to act as peacemakers. Some players come
in and want to mix it up, and things get
calmed down eventually. Well, it's been reported that Dion Sanders
told his team if one person fights, we all fight.
(16:26):
He was mad that more people didn't fight in this
And I'll tell you what, you gotta watch this because
this is completely being mischaracterized. I'm not a guy that's
gonna defend Deon Sanders on everything because for him to
walk in and just start firing Colorado players right in
his introductory press conference. Was kind of was kind of
low class. But look, the guy's a really good coach.
He's got a big thing going on. He's everything he
(16:49):
does gets a lot of attention. He's getting a lot
of bad attention for this because this is what he said.
We're gonna play the audio for you. This is what
he said after the the brawl was settled and everybody's
getting back to getting ready to run the next play.
This is Dion in the huddle with his offense, and
this is what he's upset about.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I see two of y'all walking off, and you gotta
keep teammate.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Fight nowhere, not where I won't fight, well fight, you
understand that.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I don't want to see y'all walking off and put
somebody's fight.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
So a little bit different than hey, why is no
one fighting? If one person fights me, we all fight.
This is not you feel like it's the Anchorman scene
when they're all walking in with all these different weapons. No,
what he's what he's been reported is that if one
he's upset that there wasn't a fight, and that's that's
a complete mischaracterization of this what he's doing, And I
completely get it. He's saying, I saw two guys walking off,
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and if one person fights, we all fight. Meaning if
there's a fight going on on the field and you're
out there on the field, you have to get out
there and protect everybody. You're out there to do whatever
it needs to be to make sure that this gets
taken care of. He didn't say, he didn't say that
you shouldn't break up the fight. He didn't say I
want people swinging and throwing patches. He said, I want
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you out there because yeah, that's a bad look. Because
if I'm out there, something's going on and I see
two of my teammates that are walking off the field,
I'm like, dude, we're all out here, man, we're all
out here. I don't I don't know what's wrong. Well,
what the hell is going on here? So I completely
get what he's saying. He's got a lot of bad
press for this, and he shouldn't.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
He's just promoting unity, right, look out for the guy
on your squad, look out for your teammate. You don't
know if it's going to escalate, don't know how quickly
it's going to dissipate, go in there and be a peacemaker,
hold guys away, try to figure out how to flow through.
But if you're got a number of members of your
offensive defensive unit that are walking off the field, there's
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still some disconnect and discord, and he's promoting just being
together in all of this. You you fight for each other,
and he's not looking for helmets to go flying like
we've seen that these NFL practices. No, no, no, it's
it's more just the energy and emotion and just buy
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in to each other to protect and look after each
other as your team building going forward. They've had a
lot of adversity, right, he spent a lot of time
in and out of hospitals with what's been going on
with his own health, right his foot, his leg, all
of those things. So you know, they're still building as
they get ready for this season and what comes after
(19:29):
as they transition and college football becomes a whole different
world for all of us to try to pay attention
to and navigate and put everybody in the right boxes,
But certainly for a team that's rebuilding from scratch, because
how many.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
People did he lose?
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Man, You look look at what he did to that roster,
like you're trying to get everybody together and on the
same page and making sure that the message is clear.
You know, from player one through the last guy and
last walk on that this is how you do it
is making sure you're all it together and this is
a circumstance by which to get that message across.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, he was cutting people like Homer castle An added
out of your cut, Millhouse, your cut, Nameth Ustad, your cut,
your cut, your cut, your And it's funny because there
was actually we I was in a brawl in high
school in football my junior year, and this is weird.
You're going to think I'm a horrible person for what
I was thinking during the brawl. But there was a
game we're playing, and I didn't play that much my
(20:26):
junior year. I was on special teams. My first year
of varsity, I was on every special team. I played
a little bit, but I really didn't get to play
a lot. And so there was a late hit on
our quarterback out of bounds on our sideline by a
defensive player on the team, and the game was kind
of chippy until that point. And now I couldn't see
what was going on because I tried to look down
and I couldn't see, but all of a sudden you
(20:47):
could just see there's something happening. And all of a sudden,
the players stand, the team start coming over, you start
running over. And our field was really dusty, so it
was so it was really we had a really horrible field.
It was like a big dust ball, right, every all
dust is kicking up like something's going on, and everybody
is and then suddenly all of us are off the
bench and we're all off onto the field and and
nobody really knows what's going on. And luckily it wasn't
(21:08):
where everybody came over to fight. I was kind of
we were kind of on the periphery of the outside.
So they were just like kind of holding on to
other players like you know, you know, stay away, stay away,
stay away. And all I was thinking was, Oh, when
we watched the film of this on Monday, I'm gonna
be on the field.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
I'm on the field. Look at me. I'm on the
field for a long time. We're just holding guys back. Oh,
I hope I'm not in the dust. I hope people
can say. I gotta make sure my back is to
the camera, so you can see my nut drag. Otherwise,
why weren't you I'm back on. Look at me.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I'm out on the field, man, look at me. That's
all I was thinking was, Oh, we watched this on Monday.
I'm gonna be awesome. I guess what, we didn't watch
the tape. We didn't watch tape's coach said, we're not
gonna go over this. I don't want anything like this
to happen again. We're gonna go right onto the next play.
I'm like, that's the most I've been on the field
all year.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Come on, how is this? Come on? You gotta show
I never got to see it, never got to see it.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Well, it'll always live in your heart. And I'm sure
someone's got that tape.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Now.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Well, I'm sure we get on Earth Day. We can
have a viewing like they did for the famous play
on King of Queens. We'll misidentify who made the big block.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
And everybody knew I was on the fields. It was good,
like everybody knew that everybody was on the field, so
there was that bit of togetherness. I wasn't starting a fight,
I wasn't trying, but I was out there and that
that's kind of what Diana is getting to right. This
is what he needs to do. Everybody needs to be
in this together. You don't walk off the field, hey,
try to make the peace right. Like I said, he
wasn't mad at people that were making the piece. You
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were just saying, why weren't you out there?
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Why are you walking off? I guess this is not
my fight. It's not the way it works. You're wearing
the helmet, you've got the logo.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Let's go coming up in ninety seconds, we'll get to
that crazy story about the Yankees and something that you're
not gonna believe. Now, speaking of New York, we watched
last night something happened to the Yankees that we haven't
seen since nineteen ninety five. Think about that for a second.
You're going back twenty eight years. The Yankees getting swept
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last night. Their record fell to sixty and sixty one.
It is the latest they have been under five hundred
in a season since nineteen ninety five. Right now, that
speaks to the era of excellence they have had. Because
what happened in nineteen ninety six, Here comes Jeter, here
comes Pettit, here comes Bernie Williams.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
They win the World Series. It would have again two
years later, and the Yankee dynasty is off right.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Nineteen ninety five when Jack McDonell was a fifteen game winner.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Oh look at you, Blackjack, yas nice.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
There you go, Hey, so there you go. We got
yin and yank. You've had that negative White Sox story,
now positively and.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Then you're leading home run hitter that year in for
the Yankees. You want to guess who it was?
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Scott Brocious, Paul O'Neil. Oh, okay, that's about it, right too,
that's about right.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Mike Stanley and Bernie Williams each had eighteen.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
So this is the level of excellence the Yankees have had,
which is something to really be. But this year's team
not the same. Look we talked we've talked about this
a lot, you and I, well, a couple of months
ago you could tell this wasn't the Yankees year. The
team is just not good and there was nothing they
could do with the deadline that was going to make
them better because they need too much help.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
What do they need? They need starting pitching? What else
need they need? Bullpen? What else you need?
Speaker 4 (24:19):
They need?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Hitters?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
It's too much to fix, that's too much to fix
it a deadline, and it was just it was actually shocking.
The Yankees were still five or six games over five hundred,
but now here they are under five hundred, last place
in the AL East. And Aaron Judge now has had enough.
He put out put this out last night saying, quote,
we're not showing up. That's what it comes down to.
(24:41):
We're not showing up when we need to, especially down
the stretch right now. We're not capitalizing when we need to.
So now you've upset the best of the Yankees have
going for themselves, and that's last year's AL MVP in
Aaron Judge, I'm gonna tell you this, because we've known
for a while the Yankees aren't making the playoffs. You
are gonna see some kind of crazy stuff this offseason.
(25:02):
You are going to see the triple crown with the
Yankees new general manager, new manager, and a lot of
new players. They're gonna get rid of some of these guys,
are gonna try to get rid of some of their contracts.
They're gonna they're gonna try to buy buy out some players,
try to pay some salary to trade players other places,
whether it's stanton someone else, there's going to be this
Yankee team that you're gonna said, you're seeing right now,
(25:25):
what you're gonna see in the spring is going to
be unrecognizable from the team you're seeing right now, unrecognizable.
Four new starters at least on this team, new pitchers,
knew everything, new manager, new general manager, and all of
it is needed because the Yankees have driven to the middle.
And this is this is part of you know, not
being the Steinbrender Yankees of old, which you hear all
(25:46):
the time, oh or not the old Steinberger Yankees. But
it's absolutely correct. Brian Cashman used to be a daring
GM that didn't care about trading prospects to bring in
players to keep that Yankee machine rolling. But now he's
afraid to trade any anybody who comes up because he's
afraid that if any guy comes up and they trade
him and he turns out to be good, he's never
gonna hear the end of it.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Right.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
He said a couple of times, hey, would you consider
this deal, joking around, saying I gotta walk around in
this town. I can't make I can't make a trade
like that. He's afraid he is driven to the middle.
Doesn't mean they will still go out and get players.
They still do, but not nearly. What kept them the Yankees?
What keeps from the Yankees spending money? The allure of
New York. You have to use what you have, right,
Why are people going to the Mets Because Steve Cohen
(26:26):
will give you more money than any anywhere else in
the league. So yeah, okay, I'll go to the Mets.
You got to use what your advantages are. The Yankees
don't do that. They won't trade their prospects, even though
the rest of the league values Yankees and Dodgers prospects
higher than any other team in the league. If you
got the number ten prospect with the Marlins, you would say, ah, right,
(26:47):
that's not bad. If you have the number ten prospect
the Yankees, you're saying, oh, who do we get? Oh?
This guy's guy's going to be a star. You can
continue to make moves, and the Yankees just don't do it.
What they do with the deadline nothing. They made a
cosmet move, Hey maybe this can work out, and instead
it seemed like they were ready for this to end.
Everything's going to be new next year, GM Manager players
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all of it.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
With the Yankees, Well, it's time to re up and
reevaluate how you build a roster with the rule changes
in Major League Baseball. They currently are batting two thirty
one as a team. There is one team in Major
League Baseball with a worst batting average, the soon to
be Nevada A's.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
That's it. I'm just said. You didn't say the Mets
right there, because I know they're pretty bad.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
You may your twenty third run scored your thirteenth and
team era not bad, right, only four teams with fewer
quality starts, So go into the bullpen with great regularity.
Runners in scoring position hitting among the bottom three in
Major League Baseball. The aforementioned A's and the Royals are
(27:50):
down there with you. You get them on, get them over,
get them in. They're among the league leader in walks
from the hitting side of things, but you're not playing
those runs. Small ball, the ability to generate runs that
is now so imperative in Major League Baseball as opposed
to the three outcomes that we've been looking at for
so many years. They didn't adapt, they didn't adjust, And
(28:13):
for Brian Cashman, look, they've had great success, right, ninety
year plus wins every season, every full season since twenty sixteen. Right,
you obviously have your COVID shortened year, but otherwise you're
finishing first and second in division pretty much every year. Well,
the division got better too, Right. We talked a lot
about women's soccer and and the field catching up and
(28:36):
maybe slowing down and all those things that contribute to
a lesser performance for them. Same thing with the Yankees.
All of a sudden, the Orioles are getting things right.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Well, count right, everybody look out. They figured it out.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
And even the Red Sox in a down year are
just as good, hanging around five hundred with you, Right,
the Blue Jays. You look at the Rays, they fallen
to ninety wins even if you can't name a player
on their team every year.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
And that's the thing is that you hit on exactly
what it is the Yankees have done that has contributed
to their demise. Right, you talked about the teams that
are getting it done. Look at the Orioles. Why are
the Orioles at the top of the Al East. These
are all young players who have come up together. They
have a sense of camaraderie, a sense of I'm in
it for this guy, and that helps your team chemistry
(29:28):
in a large way.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Right, Why are the Braves at the top same thing? Right?
Speaker 2 (29:31):
You had a lot of players come up that all
played together in the miners. They all got ten year,
one hundred million dollar contracts, and the Braves are saying
we're gonna be great for years. Dodgers. Dodgers have figured
out the same thing. Their mix of veterans of the
top players in the game and the players coming up.
There's a flow, there's a flow, and there's a plan
for these teams. Look at the three teams that are
(29:52):
failing the most spectacularly this year, the Mets, the Padres,
and the Yankees.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
What have they done in the last year? What they do?
The Yankees have done this for years.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
The Mets and Padres has decided we're just gonna put
a bunch of guys out there. We're just gonna sign
some guys. We're gonna put guys out there and just
let them go play. And there's no sense of how
do we take advantage of the new rules, how do
we adapt when now there's no more shift? So a
guy like Jeff McNeil, who was the NL batting champion
last year, is hitting one hundred points lower than he
was there's no adjustment. How do we adjust to stealing
(30:22):
bases now? Because it's a lot easier to with players
pitchers only allowed to go over twice during an at bat.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
We can take advantage of that.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Those three teams just put out a bunch of guys hoping,
hey there's talent out here, go play, and they're all
getting left behind. They're all getting left behind by these
teams that have figured things out and are coming up.
The Rays the same way. Look at how the Rays
have flowed through this season. All the way through. They
got caught. The only reason they're not in first place
because I got caught by the Orioles. We're just happen
to play a little bit better than them right now,
but they're still twenty three games over five hundred. This
(30:52):
is what happened. This is why the Yankees need a
complete new restart, and this is opening their eyes to
it because they're seeing all these teams in the Al
East making that run. And the one thing I will
tell you is the Yankees aren't gonna sit back and say, hey,
we're rebuilding. It's gonna be a couple of years. No, no, no,
it's an immediate reload. You're gonna see the Yankees have
a big time over correction of what's going on in
the offseason. Just watch Twitter and how about a fresca
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Harmon in for Doug Gottlieb today. Coming up next, we
get back into the NFL where a quarterback trade is
coming any day, involving a player that just making all
kinds of news the last couple of weeks.
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a couple of weeks ago on our show, actually more
than that. Get ready for a quarterback trade. It's going
to happen at some point during the preseason, and now
we're getting to the time where it's going to happen,
and it's going to involve Tred Lance and he's gonna
be an X forty nine er any day.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Now.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Every day there are stories about how bad he is,
and a lot of it, I'm sure is over the top,
about how he can't he can't get it done right.
Just today, there's been different stories involving Steve Young and
his criticism for Trey Lance. A couple of reporters said
he should go play in the CFL. Lashawn McCoy says
he does. He didn't even belong in the first round
(33:25):
of the draft. I mean, every single day, no matter what,
Trey Lance can do nothing right. And from a football perspective, yeah,
we're kind of seeing that, right, We're kind of seeing
that he struggles and and brock Perty's going to be
the starter. And now it looks like Sam Darnold not
only is going to start the next preseason game as
a way to try to figure out who the next
starter is, he's going to wind up being the backup
(33:45):
and Trey Lance is going to get dealt and it's
gonna happen sometime soon.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Yeah, Jays. Something we've been talking about even going before
the draft was the likelihood that he was on the
outs there in San Francisco, unavailable due to in and
then all the reports out of practices. The addition of
Sam Darnold to the equation some positivity on Donald. I
mean to talk about where the reporting has gone with
(34:12):
Trey Lance. There's a photo circulating of the quarterback room
of looking over plays and talking it out, and he's
looking the other direction, right, So the opportunities for the
slings and arrows in his direction are certainly there all
over the place. And then we watched a bit of
(34:33):
the preseason Game one confirmation bias, perhaps if you were
already leaning that way. For me, it's just been a
very easy nod of if he's not the guy you
got the sunk costs proposition of your draft picks. So
everybody kept clinging to that he's got to play, He's
got to play. No, he doesn't. That's a long time
(34:54):
ago that you made the investment of those draft picks.
If he hasn't developed and you haven't been able to
see because of injuries and because of the ascent of
brock Purty and everything else, that you can move on,
and you need to move on. You've got a team
that is the roster is built to go and contend
in the NFC. If he's not in the plans, it's
(35:17):
time to look it over. We talk with Jason Cole,
our guy Hall of Fame voter. We joke with him
about the Hall of very Good, but a Hall of
Fame voter working over an out kick, longtime NFL scribe,
and he estimates that you really haven't seen any difference
in what his valuation would have been in terms of trade.
That it's been a fifth round pick at best, even
(35:37):
going back to the draft period. So now it's the
wait and see does some situation on another team deteriorate
or they have an injury that needs to be plugged in.
But otherwise, yeah, his role with San Francisco, it seems
destined to end here in short order.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Look, and I don't even know that it's a fifth
round pick.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I think if a team calls and says condition six
or they would say yes, because there's teams that because
look what teams are gonna do is they're gonna look
back at his evaluation, even though it's four years ago,
and they're gonna say, oh, okay, we go back to
where he was evaluated because he hasn't had a lot
of football. Maybe we can take a flyer on him
and he turns into something we fix anything exactly right,
(36:20):
But he's a guy, he's got talent, and let's see
if he needs a change of scenery, he can work
his way in and he's out of the spotlight, and
teams like New England easily could do something like that
because hey, you know, Belichick doesn't like mac Jones, and
maybe Trey Lance comes in and Trey Lance is really good.
If not, it doesn't matter, right, Like New England can
do it, you could see other teams. I could see
(36:41):
a team like Tennessee doing it. I could see the
Commanders doing it. Uh, there's teams out there that could say, yeah, okay,
we'll go get Trey Lance and and and see if
he turns into something for us.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
And if he doesn't, what did we give up?
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Really didn't give up anything, right, we can get a
sixth round pick that or conditional sixth it turns into
a seventh. If he doesn't play, he's out on the
roster a certain amount of time. It costs you nothing
but to potentially get a quarterback who had first round
talent once upon a time and you just haven't seen
enough of him.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Yeah, why not?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Why not let him go be out of the spotlight
for at least half the year or so, learn a
new offense, and then maybe you get him on the
field a bit. There's a couple of teams with telling
you that could work, and I can see them calling
and making that happen, and the Niners will say yes
right away. They'll say yes right away to whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Well, because that's the other thing is for the forty
nine ers at some point, you don't want this to
be a question that lingers, right, if Purty struggles, well,
shouldn't Trey Lance get a shot?
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Haven't we seen the Sam Darnold train a couple of
times before all of that? If he's still on the roster,
it still creates a lot of questions and something that
you're gonna have to address as a unit from the
GM and the head coach with some regularity. It's time
to move on from it.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
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