May 14, 2024 • 42 mins
We discuss the newest intry into it's reboot franchise - 'Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes'
Directed by Wes Ball and set many years after the reign of Caesar, a young ape goes on a journey that will lead him to question everything he's been taught about the past and make choices that will define a future for apes and humans alike.
What did you think of the movie? Where does it rank in the franchise? What do you want in the sequels?
Join the conversation on social media - @MACandGUpodcast
Directed by Wes Ball and set many years after the reign of Caesar, a young ape goes on a journey that will lead him to question everything he's been taught about the past and make choices that will define a future for apes and humans alike.
What did you think of the movie? Where does it rank in the franchise? What do you want in the sequels?
Join the conversation on social media - @MACandGUpodcast
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Was it Mother's Day or your birthday? Well, what we celebrated on the
day was Mother's Day. Celebrated mybirthday the day before. It's a real
mish mash in the middle of Mayhere. My sister and I have birthdays
two days apart. So now inour adult lives, you know, as
kids, we tried not to celebratethem together because you'd get jealous of the
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other one, and why eye youwanted your own thing. Now that we're
adults, we either don't celebrate itor celebrate it together. And then on
Mother's Day we celebrated our mother,which I think was the right move right.
So just quickly to catch everyone upholdthe mostard, you just turned thirty
five, thirty five, mid thirties. I can now run for president,
I believe gou. That's the biggestthing about thirty five. Sound way to
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it might be forty for president.I forget I thought it was seventy.
Oh that's fucking hot political joking rightthere. That's partly charged that this is
it. Right, you get toforty and then you're officially officially old.
There's nothing more to celebrate half ofa hund. I guess you could celebrate
and retirement. Those are the onlytwo things I have left to celebrate in
life is half of one hundred inretirement. I guess the two biggest things
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here is number one, Yes,I am recording in a closet, and
number two is we're all wondering becausewe are doing X Men ninety seven at
the end of this week in honorof your birthday. We've already discussed this
once. We'll be doing eight mileat the start of next week, didn't
we. We've got like four moviescoming out this we agreed on eight mile
for your birthday. I don't knowif we did, but I'm fine with
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that. Yes, yes, one, go three, Yeah, just three.
King of Queen Mill Street and Iam Man and we are the Mac
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and Goo program. We bring youmonkeys on horses. Yeah, we bring
you interspecies friendship. Today here onthe podcast, we've been talking movies for
roughly what seven years now, seveneight years, and the original trilogy here
of the Plan of the Apes sortof came before Goo and I were full
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blown, wasn't it was a fullLet me rephrase that in English for Flat's
start from the beginning entertained, dothese this trilogy of movies really came before
Goo and I were a full fledgedmovie podcast. The third and final installment
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came when we were talking movies,but I don't know if you had seen
either of the first two at thatpoint, so you weren't super into it
the way I was. Now thatwe have seven years to look back on
that original trilogy, and I thinkit was twenty eleven or tenty twelve for
the first movie. History has lookedback on this pretty good because at the
time when Matt Reeves took on thesecond movie in that franchise, Don of
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the Planet of the Apes, hewas I won't say a relatively unknown,
but not nearly where he is today, And it was the second and third
movie that sort of propelled him tothe point where he is today, where
he was doing The Batman and isa is a household name at this point.
So I think these movies are criminallyunderrated, and now with you know,
almost a decade that's passed since peoplewere starting to like finally appreciate them
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for what they are. Yes,the reboot trilogy that started with the Franco
movie and then we got down I'msorry, was Don the first one,
the Rise, the first titling isa little bit off of what it should
be. But Don and yes youknow I'm already having an issue here,
shut up, Rise Don war Soshut up. The three movies in general,
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though, I think is an awesometrilogy. While I don't think that
the Franco one on its own isnecessarily great, it is a great stuff
order to Way franchise because the nexttwo movies I absolutely love. I love
those last two Planet of the Apesmovies where you have the perfect conclusion to
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those movies. But like we seehere, we can jump three hundred years
into the future and pick up thosesame themes. Yeah, what that first
movie did in twenty eleven was establishedthe character of Caesar and really make him
a character we're rooting for. Whichis so he learns from the Knights of
he learns from Raise l Gohoul,he goes, he trains, and then
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he becomes ready to defend the worldagainst other monkeys. It's such a necessary
entry because it's a movie essentially pittingapes versus humans, and as a human,
you're naturally inclined, well, Ithink you and I are naturally inclined
to hate the humans. Most otherpeople are gonna be rooting for the humans.
But it's not only apes versus humans, it's apes vers apes. It's
still ideology humans versus humans too.Yeah, it's it's it's actually pretty deep,
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and I think this movie actually doesa great job again into some very
human things told through the eyes ofthe ape landscape in this world. Goo.
This movie was made on a budgetof one hundred and sixty What is
the title of this movie? Oh, right, right, gu This installment,
the fourth installment in the Planet ofthe Apes franchise, is titled Kingdom
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of the Planet of the Apes andGoo. This movie was made on a
budget of one hundred and sixty million, which maybe you at home don't quite
understand or grasp that number. Toput it in perspective, Avatar The Way
of Water another movie that's made almostexclusively in CGI four hundred and sixty million.
So kudos to the fucking the moviemakers here. It's incredible that you
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can put out that high quality ofCGI for almost two and a half hours
at less than half of the costof Avatar. At any point, did
you not like the animation or theCGI. No, there wasn't any point
that took me out of it,and it's it's pretty incredible that it was
as seamless as it is, andit almost helps them more when the humans
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aren't in it, so you don'thave anything to like contrast it against y.
Yeah, but I was. Iwas really blown away by how good
the visuals were in this movie.Yeah, it is. It's seamless from
the last one. And obviously wechange directors, we lose Andy Circus,
who is probably the best mocap guyaround, but no Circus, no problem
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at the box office, and openingweekend fifty six and a half million domestically,
which was more than double what orabout double what The Fall Guy made
last week, which is stunning.I don't know, that's I guess a
conversation. People don't care about moviestars anymore. They care about monkeys.
Worldwide made one hundred and twenty ninemillion, which is almost its budget in
the first weekend, which is incredible. So this movie is set to make
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Buckuo bucks goo. This is aPG thirteen action adventure in sci fi with
a runtime of one hundred and fortyfive minutes, so two hours twenty five
minutes. It is long. Ithought they did a pretty good job with
the pacing there wasn't any real lulls. Now there's some lesser moments, some
more somber moments, but I thoughtthe pacing, especially in the third act,
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was great, so it keeps youin it. On Roddy Tez eighty
one percent from the critics, seventynine percent from the audience, so a
little lower than I anticipated, ButI will fully admit this isn't on the
level I think of the last twomovies. This movie is. It's just
simpler, like they have to bringit back to its base to then build
it back up for the next twomovies. Yeah, and you say that
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in the good comparison there, Riseof the Planet of the Apes the original
one or the first one in thisfranchise, eighty two percent and seventy seven
percent, so very similar scores.The second movie, Don of the Planet
of the Apes, the one thatI think is the best of the three
ninety one percent, eighty eight percent, War for the Planet of the Apes
ninety four percent, eighty four percenton Metacritic goup this has a sixty six.
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Rise has a sixty eight. Thesecond movie Don seventy nine, the
third movie War eighty two. SoI do agree to that movie I do
think that Down is the better ofthe three. I mean, especially comparing
I think that Down and War arethey're say, if we're looking at water,
those two have their head poking out. The other two have like their
eyes poking out, like they're stillalive, but they might drown. What
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the second one did so well isyou sort of have humans versu humans what
we're talking about, and apes versusapes. And then the third one it's
it's it's more human verse ape andless ape verse eight human verse human although
the end does conclude fantastically with ahuman verse human battle, but the whole
Cooba stuff that comes to a headfantastically. One. Yes, like that.
That's why I think that movie standsout above that. That's what this
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movie doesn't have. It doesn't haveCoba. And don't get me wrong,
And I have no idea what themonkey's name is, but he's good.
I enjoy him as as the No. No, So, Noah is the
good guy. Yeah? Wait,do you think Coba is the good guy
in the other movie? No,no, what are you talking about the
original three? Yeah? Okay,continue say Caesar he's the good guy.
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Yeah, Cob is the bad monkey? Correct? This movie does not have
a coba yep, And I thinkit is setting itself up for a similar
situation in the next movie or nextcouple movies, because we haven't had that
inter ape strife so much. Now. Obviously, you get a king in
this movie, but he's not verywell established. He's sort of just brought
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in at the beginning of the thirdact and he does a job. You
know, we have an all greatdude. I love that. I love
that. Incredible, incredible job bythat voice actor, incredible job by all
the voice actors, by all theMOCAT people. I you really talk about
it. I think stepping back intothis world, you were always taken aback
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a little bit at the beginning bythe talking apes. That's just a natural
feeling looking at a monkey talking toyou. I know, I'm joking around.
Monkeys and apes aren't the same thing. I'm gonna do this the entire
podcast. So but once you getback into it, you're just in this
world. There's no issues here.Yeah, you become immersed at it pretty
quickly and you just don't even secondguess it at that point. Dude.
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This movie is written by Josh Friedman, who has a really, really interesting
filmography so far, at least forwhat he's written. He did War of
the World's back in five or six, which I think is actually kind of
underrated at this point. I likedthat movie Black Dhalia, which sucked,
Terminator Dark Fate, which sucked,and then he did Avatar The Way of
the Water, so back up,you know, took a few years off
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and now this. So he's clearlybeen trusted with some major properties, and
that is even more so. Whathe's got upcoming is next year's Fantastic four
movie, so one of the biggestproperties in the MCU is in the hands
of this fella. He's also doingthe fourth Avatar movie, and he was
the creator of the snow piercod Hedidn't do Avatar three. He's not gonna
do Avatar five or six or seven. He's just doing four. I don't
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think he's doing He's only doing theevens. Yeah, this movie is directed
by Wes Ball, who I don'tthink anyone really knows. He did do
the Maze Runner trilogy, which isgetting rebooted. I thought the first Maze
Runner was pretty good. After that, it kind of loses steam. So
he's kind of a somewhat unknown directorin terms of this type of movie making
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on this level. I had noissue with the direction here, and again,
when you get something that's so digitallybased, it's hard to like find
issue with the direction. Upcoming,he is doing the Legend of Zelda movie,
so that's interesting and something called Mouseguard, So look forward to Mouseguard.
I wouldn't mind mouse guarding my house. I have Rodents. Synopsis. Many
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years after the reign of Caesar,a young ape goes on a journey that
will lead him to question everything he'sbeen taught about the past and make choices
that will define a future for apesand humans alike. Decent enough synopsis,
worse for me. This movie starsOwen Tigue as our protagonist Noah. Very
good job. I have no qualms, no issues with that. Freya Allen
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as our one real human character,may I. That might have been the
weakest part of the movie if youask me if. That's probably my most
major criticism is her and her motivationsand what's going on behind her character.
Maybe, but I love the interactionsbetween May and Raka. But I also
just love Raka. Rocca was maybethe Well we'll get to that, you
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know, we'll see if the shoefits, if he's making plemonade, Roka
is doing it all. Actually,my two favorite mo caps or voice acting
done in this movie is Kevin Durandas Proximus Caesar. This is the king
we see primarily in the third actof the movie. He is just so
big and bashful and intimidating, andas you mentioned Peter McConn as Raka,
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it just really kind and nice,really warmed your heart. I don't know
who this actor is in real life, Peter McConn, but I just want
to meet him and give him ahug. I that character was so so
well written and so well performed.I really mack would give him a hug
and just whisper into his ear.You're not an orangutan, because I feel
like you're picturing an orangutan. Wouldyou give a hug to an orangutan?
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Well, it wasn't orangutan. Ithought that you meant that you want to
give the voice actor a hug?Oh him and the orangutan. Sure,
I'd be afraid to hug a monkey. Really, any kind of ape,
I don't wanna just because they cansnap at any moment. We've seen all
these movies. I don't know Cocothe ape scene, guys, go on
whatever we're calling our social media isright now, tell us would you hug
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an ape? The other three charactersyou really need to know here are Lydia
Peckham as Souna that's essentially Noah's loveinterest, Travis Jeffrey as a Naya that's
like his best friend, and thenWilliam H. Macy is the second human
here as Trevathan. He plays areal son of it. It was fine,
it was fine, Yeah, hewas okay. Yeah, he was
essentially doing his character from Shameless.So I guess if we're gonna point out
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the big differences with this movie comparedto the two better movies, it is
you don't have that great standout badguy and the human stories aren't as compelling.
Yeah. In Dawn of the Planetof the Apes, Jason Clark is
amazing as like the ape advocate,and Gary Oldman's amazing as like the son
of a bitch human. Yeah,it's a good contrast here in War for
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the Planet of the Apes, youdon't really have the good human character.
You have the mute little girl sheplays a part. But Woody Howard fantastic
in it though he's so good.Yes, right, uh dude, Let
me let me do a quick timelinehere of what happens in those first three
movies, just to catch anyone upwho hadn't seen those or hasn't taken the
time to So this movie, Kingdomof the Planet of the Apes is set
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roughly three hundred years after the eventsof the original trilogy. The only thing
that this world really knows of thoseevents is that Caesar was like the first
elder Ape. He was the firstleader, and there really have just heard
tales about him, but they don'tknow for sure what happened, what took
It's all been hearsay. In Riseof the Planet of the Apes that takes
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place in this timeline over a fiveyear period, and essentially what happens in
this movie is humans are searching fora cure for Alzheimer's. Primarily James Franco
was doing it because his father playedby John Lithgow, has Alzheimer's he wants
to cure it. An inadvertent effectof this drug is that it is making
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apes smarter. So Caesar's mother isthe first successful test candidate with this drug.
Caesar is the first born ape withthis like enhanced brain, which is
obviously the most notable thing from that. The latest version of the drug in
that movie ends up being a flawedversion of the drug, and it begins
essentially a pandemic, a global pandemic, wiping out humans on a global scale.
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An aside to that is Caesar,as a result of biting a human's
finger off, which was pretty gruesome, he's like put in an institution with
other apes and other quote unquote badanimals. He steals canisters of that drug
and basically gives it to the restof the apes he's with. They all
become these pseudo enhanced apes, essentiallycreating a trickle effect that going forward,
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that next generation of apes are allgoing to be these enhanced apes. That
movie ends with the Apes going intothe woods to set up their civilization,
and human civilization essentially crumbling, beingcentered in just major cities. Dawn of
the Planet of the Apes is setten years after the conclusion of that movie,
and the Apes have a bustling civilizationin the woods of San Francisco and
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there's a human colony surviving, likein downtowns of some major cities. So
San Francisco is what we're dealing waswithin this one. Caesar, still the
leader of the Apes, is basicallytrying to cultivate a peaceful existence between human
and ape. However, there's thisfaction of Apes led by Coba, who
we were just talking about, whohate the humans, do not want to
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coexist. They'd rather kill all ofthe humans. So in this movie Cuba
Cuba keep a gooding Junior Cooba framesthe humans for Caesar's death in burning down
their village. Ultimately, obviously,Caesar remains alive, but between Coba fueling
up the Apes and Gary Oldman's characterfueling up the humans, they're destined for
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a violent conflict. The only peoplethat end up stopping it are Caesar and
Malcolm played by Jason Clark, whodoes a great job in that movie.
Unfortunately, at the end of thatmovie, Gary Oldman's character Dreyfus had already
contacted a militia which ends up beingled by Wardy Harrelson, and we see
at the end of that movie Caesarkills Coba and the Apes have to prepare
for conflict with the humans. Warfor the Planet of the Apes, set
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two years after that movie, seesthis militia group tracking down Caesar in his
group of like enhanced apes through thestate of California wherever they're going. The
militia ends up killing Caesar's wife andone of his kids and then basically sets
Caesar off looking for revenge, sohe goes after the militia for basically the
rest of the movie. During thiswe learned that there is now a mutation
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of this Simian flu that leaves humansmute, and it is essentially it's not
killing them, it's reverting them backto like caveman age. So it's flipped
on. I said, it's ironic. Now the apes are the smart ones,
the humans are the ones that can'tspeak. There's also we learn there's
also factions of humans that have developed. So this militia group is out to
wipe out apes or enslave them,but more so wipe out all the infected
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humans with the Simian flu, andthen there's other human groups that are trying
to cure it, so they're buttonheads this whole time, which leads to
the conclusion of that film, whichWoody Harlson ironically comes down with that Simian
flu. He unalives himself. Thatmilitia gets bombed by the other human factions,
and then Caesar aids that by detonatingsome explosives causing that avalanche, wiping
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out that militia. At the endof that movie, we see Caesar in
his group of apes arriving at thisoasis that they had set out for at
the beginning of that movie, andCaesar was mortally wounded during that battle,
he's able to rest peacefully. Sonow that brings us to three hundred years
later, here we are for thismovie. Now, let me ask you
a question, is now, thesemovies always did pretty well financially, but
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never got into the billions of dollars. The quality of these films are great,
but they aren't talked about like someother blockbusters of the time. Yeah,
why, Yeah, it's It's reallyinteresting to think about because I think
it's a way to introduce some reallydark concept concepts to a somewhat younger,
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younger audience. Obviously there's humans inthere, but using the apes makes it
a little more palatable for people.I think, so you might be able
to have a deeper conversation with aten, twelve, thirteen year old kid.
It's probably B level for blockbusters,right because it's still making I think
the last two made close to fivehundred millions. They consistently made very good
money, just never hit like thatnext level, right right. So No,
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it's interesting to talk about because thequality, like the baseline level of
these movies are really really good.Now maybe they'll they'll they'll keep picking up.
This had the second biggest opening ofthe four movies so far, and
I think it's going to continue tomake a lot more money. But it's
a good question to pond her becauseI think they're really well made and really
well written, and the the thethings they're dealing with is very human.
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It just happens to be apes onscreen, all right, Max, So
we get to our decagone. Yeah, let's do it, all right,
Mac. Fun factor the special effectsled to I think some very good fun
visual things, but I'm not necessarilysure if any of the storylines were fun.
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Yeah, it's not outright fun.I did enjoy Raka so much that
I have on screen. I alsofelt like the tension was so good throughout
the film that you have some goodlike heart racing fun, some good roller
coaster type of fun satisfactor and Iwas very satisfied with. Obviously, cs
R is no longer Caesar. Ikeep putting the wrong and fastest on the
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wrong syllable here, but the characteris obviously no longer with us. It's
three hundred years in the future,and he now only lives through stories told
about him because these guys can't read, and we do have a character that
does read to the apes. Butit's misconstruing the teachings and the lessons that
Caesar tried to give to his otherapes. So it's it's the wrong interpretation
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using the old stories that I thinkis satisfying because that is what connects them.
Yeah, and it's something that's happeneddozens and tens and hundreds of times
in human history, is leaders lookingfor power, misusing prior teachings and older
leaders and what they said. Sothat is somewhat satisfying. Those who win
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the war get to tell the storyexactly. That is a satisfying part of
this movie. I also thought theconclusion was like baseline, satisfactory, kind
of what you expected, but satisfyingenough. Borometer No, Yeah, it
did a pretty good job of notbeing boring at all. Like I said,
the pacing was quite strong, soit does lack the high end fun
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factor and satisfactor, but it alsodoesn't have any bore really in here,
So it's just baseline a really reallygood movie Halloween. Will this movie wane
over time? And I kind ofhope it does because I want the sequels
to be better. Yeah. Iagree a bit with you here if you
look at it in context of thefirst three, I never really want to
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go back and watch that first one, but the other two are much more
rewatchable, So maybe we're setting ourselvesup for that type of situation here,
Awkuator. It's better than twenty seventeen'sAquaman Fou Show. When life gives you
plemons, you make plemonade. AndI believe that everything that went into the
character of Raka is delicious delightful.Yeah, absolutely delightful. Couldn't agree more.
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It came at the perfect time inthe movie, and when that character
exits the movie, that was likea good jumping off point too. It's
just a really really well thought outcharacter, and it's it's I don't know,
it's it's a great character. Bestcharacter in the movie, Pants,
ten City, Excite, bike Mania. What in this movie got you going?
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I really like? So we've seenmillions of movies like this. Now
we've even seen some this year.You know, you have Doune, this
dystopian type of future or past,however you want to look at it,
and what revolves around that, howraces in people develop society around that.
I just like the way this isbuilt, how the apes are slowly.
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The apes are like in a Bronzeage where humans were you know, a
thousand and fifteen hundred years ago,and now the humans are fighting just to
stay alive, to get back ontop. I just really like like the
levels of both societies in this movie. If the Shoe Fits is something that
I think we're gonna get rid of. I think we should move forward now
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with Uh, we're not monkeying around. Although that said, I felt like
Kevin Duranda's Proximates Caesar was a perfectIf the Shoe fits, that's old news,
that's an old that's old. We'renot doing that anymore. Mac.
I think that wes Ball did notmonkey around. He got the job done.
Agreed, Agreed. We then moveon to Max's credit Union. Like
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I said at the top, Ithink it's an absolute achievement that this movie
got made for one hundred and sixtythree hundred million dollars less than Avatar or
The Whale Water. That's not toput down Avatar the Whale Water. I'm
sure they developed Xyz to make thatmovie, but the fact that this movie
looks so great for three hundred milliondollars less is fucking insane. It's really
breaking my brain thinking about that.For those of you tardy to the Mac
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and Goop party, we rate everythingon a forty hot dog rating system,
and Mac just once again in thisreboot franchise another solid flick. I don't
think it's as good as the previoustwo, but what they gave us here
is still beautiful. The karac arestill pretty fleshed out. And what I
also like about this too is thatwith the start of the new trilogy in
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the reboot franchise, I wasn't attachedto any of these characters quite yet,
and I think that they knew this, so anyone was really on the board
to be taken out. You didn'tknow who was going to be sticking around,
who this trilogy was truly about.Granted it, you know, you
can kind of put the pieces together, but anyone could go at any moment.
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I think that they have set themselvesup for another solid trilogy, and
I want to see what happens inthe future. And just really, like
I said at the top, it'sthe look of this movie. It's you're
immersed immediately. You don't bat aneye at these talking chimpanzees. I got
this ASTs thirty three hot dogs.Wow goo wow wow wow. I'll tell
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you what makes us similar, thatmakes us great. Go I'd say again
to contexture this. Uh, Andwe've never reviewed these three movies on the
podcast, so just to give thefolks at home a little bit of a
peak, I think Rise of thePlanet of the Apes, that twenty eleven
movie, I think that's like athirty two Dog movie, maybe thirty one.
Good table setter, sets up Caasonreally well. It's just a good
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leadoff entry into that franchise. Donof the Planet of the Apes, to
me is like a thirty eight Dogmovie. That movie Blew my cock Off.
I really really liked, loved thatmovie. War for the Planet of
the Apes is like thirty five tothirty six great, but not on the
DVD cover for Don Blew a Cokoffdash maack. The third movie was a
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was a great conclusion, just wasn'tquite as good as a second. In
my opinion, this movie feels closerto the first movie than it does those
other two. I really liked howit mirrored a lot of aspects of what
has clearly gone on in human history. People finding relics or old scriptures,
cave signs, and interpreting things indifferent ways, putting their own spinoff it.
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People twisting original intentions of old leadersto sort of justify their actions in
the present. That's a very humanthing we've done in our whole entire history.
But also just not having the fullstory, and we'll get to that
in a second in spoilers. Butthere's something that I think makes it even
better, the fact that they didn'tknow something right. Yes, well,
that's happened a ton of times inhuman history too. Yeah, And I
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love how they use that aspect ofthe story to connect it to the original
trilogy with Caesar and what Caesar believedin that whole thing. That also meant
that the viewer going to this moviedidn't really need any knowledge from the prior
three movies. It helps, butyou didn't really need it. You just
need to know Caesar exists. Whatthey say this is what they tell you
in like a title card. Atthe beginning, I thought they did a
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pretty good job of establishing Noah asour next protagonist. Not quite Caesar level,
but good enough. I do feellike May was pretty weak though the
human character. Now, I likethe dynamic between her and Noah, and
I like the dynamic boiling in thefuture between apes and humans. I just
didn't care all that much for hercharacter in this movie. So I guess
I'm I'm the same thirty three hotDogs. It is my number three movie
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of twenty twenty four. I thinkof fifteen or sixteen, with only June
Part two in The Fall Guy aheadof this. But it is sort of
in a small little jumble of moviesnow, so it's like clearly below the
top. But it's it's a it'sjust a really solid movie. There's really
you really have to nitpick to notlike things or not like this movie.
It's just it's just a very goodentry. Shall we spoil? Let's get
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the spoil spoiler spoiler, spoilers,spoil. I love them finding out that
humans used to run the world andthat apes animals were, you know,
this sub level of what humans were. And I'm just curious, like how
many of the apes knew this?Because William H. Macy's character is the
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one teaching Proximus Caesar about what theworld used to be, and I would
imagine that he's gonna leave some stuffout. He is gonna cookie coat,
he is gonna he's gonna decide whathe learns, and he's not gonna be
like, oh, by the way, you know that humans used to put
you guys in cages. I actuallydon't think that's the case. I think
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that's why Proximus is so motivated toget into that vault because he knows he's
got to get ahead of what's left. He wants weapons, yeah, to
get ahead of what's left of humans. No, So I think that he
does have a general dislike of humans, but that's based off of the Caesar
teachings that he misinterprets. But Ithink the funniest line of the movie and
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kind of gets into what he wantsfrom that vault, is when he sees
Nova shooting the gun and he's like, are there more of those in there?
Yeah? That's pretty good. Yeah. No, I actually I disagree
with you there. I think heknows exactly what their fate is if they
let the humans rise up against himexactly, Yes, I do. And
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I think he's keeping it from theApes to sort of keep you know,
camaraderie. I think he knows,and I think that's why he's so.
You think that William H. Macyis selling out his own kind, telling
this to proximates Caesar so that he'llbe kept around, but all other humans
will be taken out, no doubtabout it. Yeah, I think he's
Okay, No, I can seethat. Yeah, that's my interpretation.
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Okay, not that I'm one hundredpercent right, but that's how I saw
you wrote the movie. Uh dothe the couple of little notes here?
Yeah. Oh, by the way, speaking to what you're speaking of before
I jump to that, the twoscenes that really underscore what you're talking about
is when uh, Noah meets Rakain the airport and he sees the mural
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of humans and he's just like blownaway, and Raka doesn't really know,
but he has an idea that humansflourished before. And then of course when
they break into the vault, Noahand his two friend apes there, they're
looking through the books and they seethe apes and the zoo and they're like,
mind blown by this one. Whatis this? It's a good like
bass for what's gonna come, andobviously that'll mean more. Also, you
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knew that Raka was gonna die.You knew it, you were getting ready
for it, and it's still hurtyou. There's an audio post credit in
this movie, audio only, featuringthe voice of what we will assume is
Raka. It sounds like I hadso I was in the theater. I
was like, what is this?So we're I think it's implying he's still
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alive, which I hope so,because it's such a great character and the
Apes are gonna need that character goingforward. But I also think that movies
like this or any franchise, youneed to have characters that can be taken
out at any moment. Like inthis movie, I thought that Noah might
die at any moment, because really, any of the Apes could take over.
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Sure, Yeah, I get whatyou're saying on it, it doesn't
matter. In this current state ofthe world. Raka is the only character
right that like knows what he knows. Like in the original trilogy, you
knew that they needed Caesar in thisone. You're like, I don't know
if we need any of these,and anyone can step up to be the
good Ape or the bad Ape.That's true. No, and maybe that
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will set up this trilogy to sortof meet greater ends than the last one.
That's that's certain. It's in thenext movie. What happened to James
Franco's character, which is I believehe just died off screen. If that
happens to Noah, like at thebeginning, they're like, oh, by
the way, Noah's dead, I'dbe like, all right, cool,
who's up next, Yeah, let'sjump into the action. No it went
back to his home planet and diedon the way back. A couple of
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fun things here. They call thehuman they name the human Nova because that's
the name of the young female characterfrom War of the Planet of the Apes.
That's what Caesar calls Zach Girl.So presumably over the last three hundred
years that cop passed down. That'swhy they call her Nova. It's also
a nod to a character from thenineteen sixty eight movie the Caesar symbol that
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we see Proximus use the circle withthe like curved cross, and also we
see it on Racas necklace as theshape of the attic window from the San
Francisco home we see in the firstmovie, which I think is a really
nice touch. We see that mayends up being being like a much bigger
character than what she led on toboth the audience and to the apes here
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and at the end of this movie, she brings that hard drive she finds
in the vault to another location andit completes this like satellite uplink? Did
you like that? When they askedher about it, She's like, this
will give humans a voice again.And I'm like, are they gonna cure
it'll it'll teach humans how to ywhatever it was, Yeah, whatever it
was, And You're like, isthis gonna cure So but when she gets
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it, I'm like, what isthis giant fucking floppy disc that she is
grabbing? I do like that itwas more satellite that humans can now speak
to each other. Yeah, Sothis unlocks a whole level of things we
haven't really thought about in a while, like what's going on with the humans
other than the wild humans we seethe echoes I guess for lack of a
(33:50):
better term. So once that satelliteuplink is completed, we immediately hear this
base call out and like a baseon the Midwest. I don't remember if
it was Ida, Iowa, Idaho, Indiana, Ohio, some flyover here,
nag we get it, you know, states. One of those calls
back and you're like, all right, they're uplinks. So there's got to
be multiple sites across the country withthis like underground human community staying alive and
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rebuilding their society. So that's reallyinteresting going forward. I liked May at
the end of the movie more thanI did most of the movie, just
because it's she seems like a morebadass character than what she was leading on.
It's just I didn't love her formost of this movie. At the
end of the movie, here weget, obviously this fight scene between Proximus
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and Noah, which I thought wasgood enough. Like they call back with
the eagle song, like that wasfine. It was. It was like
just satisfying enough that I that Igave it a pass. Yeah, it
was a little a little predictable Smith, Yes, sure. I did just
really like in general that they usedbirds. So for some reason, the
bird eight horse combination is badass.I don't know why. I just like
(35:00):
that trio of animals. It reallyreally works. I don't know why,
but that just made me laugh picturingMatt just being like, fuck, I
would love to ride a horse whilesummoning my falcon. But it's really interesting
now too, because whether we agreeon what Proximists knew or not, Proximus
is now dead and I don't thinkany other Ape had access to the information
(35:23):
being fed to him by William H. Macy there and so now the only
Apes that know truly are Noah andthe two friends. Let me get those
names again. I keep forgetting Sunaand Anaya, so I wonder what they
do with that information going forward.I also loved how broken down Anaya was,
Like how just completely like out ofcharacter the character became when they became
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a slave. Yeah, and itshowed you, like what happens there that
it's sort of the fight or flightstuff. Yeah, some people become broken
and just fall into line. Otherpeople want to revolt. It was.
It was a perfect yeah one twocombo there. I think, Uh,
I think that's it. That's allI really have for spoilers. Yeah,
we're let where it leaves off.It leaves off the franchise in a good
spot with this looming conflict between Apesand humans coming and we now know.
(36:14):
It almost seems like the humans havean advantage now Goo, because they're now
talking on at least a country widescale, and the apes are going to
be really segmented in their villages andtheir small little civilizations, and presumably the
humans are going to rise up inthe next one and sort of catch the
apes off guard. I'm guessing yeah, but Noah, Noah can build weaponry
(36:36):
now though that's true, that's true, and they probably might have access to
more things than we know. Uh, I don't know. There's a lot
unsaid left at the end of thismovie, for better or worse, but
it's a really interesting spot because itseems to me that the humans will be
able to somewhat sneakily rise up onwhat's left of the apes. But the
(36:57):
apes don't really want to fight thehumans, it doesn't seem see, they
just want to be left alone,or at least it seems like certain uh
like tribes or certain like groups ofapes want to just be left alone,
while some do want to conquer.And it makes you call back to Caesar's
goal at the beginning of this wholefranchise is to have ape and human live
(37:17):
side by side, and it seemslike this franchise is gonna build towards that
with the sixth movie. But Idon't know. Maybe there'll be nine movies,
maybe there'll be another trio after this. They could go either way on
it. It's gonna be interesting tosee, Like the next movie is gonna
really tell us how the rest ofthe thing is gonna play out. But
it left it, It left itin a really good spot going forward.
(37:38):
I mean, I think that bythe end of this it's gonna the the
Apes will control the planet and thefinal scene of this trilogy will be Charleston
Heston landing his uh landing his spacecraftand stepping out. Hopefully by that time
they'll have a deal with his familyto use his AI image and we'll have
some fun. Yeah, they dohave that little easter egg in the James
(37:59):
Frae a movie of the space shuttletaking off. I hope they don't pay
that off, though, I hopethat, hey it off, pay it
off. This is sci fi.Let's have some fun, Mac, sure,
sure, sure, sure, Let'sget into Maxack and Max Sack could
(38:20):
be anything. It could be aboat and Mac let's get into a news
segment that we have here. Uh, I don't know if I like the
title of this, but let's playwith it right now. It's called shit
talk spelled t okay. Yes,this is when the folks head over to
our TikTok account and boom roast us. Let's go to one of our videos
(38:42):
that was posted a couple of weeksago, and it was Goo discussing how
he loves how Casey Jones nonchalantly murdersthe Shredder with a garbage truck and many
of the people on there telling me, hey, Shredder's still alive. In
the sequels, I know what you'retalking about, which is completely true.
But if you read the caption onthe video, it says attempted, So
(39:07):
open your eyes, folks. Comeon, folks. But I do love
how. Eric Gandhi makes a greatpoint on there. He says that Jones
does say whoops, so it's accidental. Yeah, it's not a murder,
it's it's a manslaughter. And thenwe get to the people. Jeff Froy
said that I look like j Bearshawwith Dane Cook's voice. I don't think
(39:30):
you don't have Dank Cook's voice,but Dane Cook has such a distinct cadence.
That's really what makes Dane Cook DankCook justin Garza one thirty four,
so that I give off Anthony jesselNick vibes. You have the same tone
as jessel Nick, but you're amuch nicer human being than he is.
Thank you. And then Simon hadthe best one out there. He said
(39:52):
that I look like Anthony Jesselnick dressedas Jay Beershall for Halloween. I don't
even know. I don't even know. It seems like that those two are
common. You know what it isis they both have the upright hair like
you do. So people are justgoing to that. There were several people
that pointed at Dane Cook, jBershaw and and Anthony Jeselnick. So I
(40:15):
think it's just the hair. Ithink it's well, it's also the hockey
jersey. I was wearing a hockeyjersey, so the Jay be a little
lazy. Well, Mac, I'ma white podcaster. I own hockey jerseys.
We also have from one of ourother tiktoks, I believe it was
the one where you said that bullettrain is better paced than the fall Guy
(40:39):
because there's this train in it.And from Gargoyle Warner. He compared you.
He said that you look like Carlfrom Aquitine Hunker Force. Yeah,
if you, if you, ifyou get the mustache, and I had
a tank top on that day,It's it's not too far off, that's
for sure. I wanna say,like he caught you on a good day
though, like you were wearing atank heading a bit too something exactly like
(41:02):
the fade your mustache was just dirtyenough that yes. And I was like,
I send it to uh my wifeand I shorted the picture. She
goes, oh, that's kind ofmean. I'm like, yeah, but
look at Mac and she goes,oh, yeah, kind of yeah.
So that was our ship talk.Let's go to our TikTok boom roast us.
What do we care? Yeah,we don't have feelings, all right,
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Was it Mother's Day or your birthday? Well, what we celebrated on the
day was Mother's Day. Celebrated mybirthday the day before. It's a real
mish mash in the middle of Mayhere. My sister and I have birthdays
two days apart. So now inour adult lives, you know, as
kids, we tried not to celebratethem together because you'd get jealous of the
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other one, and why eye youwanted your own thing. Now that we're
adults, we either don't celebrate itor celebrate it together. And then on
Mother's Day we celebrated our mother,which I think was the right move right.
So just quickly to catch everyone upholdthe mostard, you just turned thirty
five, thirty five, mid thirties. I can now run for president,
I believe gou. That's the biggestthing about thirty five. Sound way to
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it might be forty for president.I forget I thought it was seventy.
Oh that's fucking hot political joking rightthere. That's partly charged that this is
it. Right, you get toforty and then you're officially officially old.
There's nothing more to celebrate half ofa hund. I guess you could celebrate
and retirement. Those are the onlytwo things I have left to celebrate in
life is half of one hundred inretirement. I guess the two biggest things
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here is number one, Yes,I am recording in a closet, and
number two is we're all wondering becausewe are doing X Men ninety seven at
the end of this week in honorof your birthday. We've already discussed this
once. We'll be doing eight mileat the start of next week, didn't
we. We've got like four moviescoming out this we agreed on eight mile
for your birthday. I don't knowif we did, but I'm fine with
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that. Yes, yes, one, go three, Yeah, just three.
King of Queen Mill Street and Iam Man and we are the Mac
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and Goo program. We bring youmonkeys on horses. Yeah, we bring
you interspecies friendship. Today here onthe podcast, we've been talking movies for
roughly what seven years now, seveneight years, and the original trilogy here
of the Plan of the Apes sortof came before Goo and I were full
(02:23):
blown, wasn't it was a fullLet me rephrase that in English for Flat's
start from the beginning entertained, dothese this trilogy of movies really came before
Goo and I were a full fledgedmovie podcast. The third and final installment
(02:46):
came when we were talking movies,but I don't know if you had seen
either of the first two at thatpoint, so you weren't super into it
the way I was. Now thatwe have seven years to look back on
that original trilogy, and I thinkit was twenty eleven or tenty twelve for
the first movie. History has lookedback on this pretty good because at the
time when Matt Reeves took on thesecond movie in that franchise, Don of
(03:07):
the Planet of the Apes, hewas I won't say a relatively unknown,
but not nearly where he is today, And it was the second and third
movie that sort of propelled him tothe point where he is today, where
he was doing The Batman and isa is a household name at this point.
So I think these movies are criminallyunderrated, and now with you know,
almost a decade that's passed since peoplewere starting to like finally appreciate them
(03:30):
for what they are. Yes,the reboot trilogy that started with the Franco
movie and then we got down I'msorry, was Don the first one,
the Rise, the first titling isa little bit off of what it should
be. But Don and yes youknow I'm already having an issue here,
shut up, Rise Don war Soshut up. The three movies in general,
(03:50):
though, I think is an awesometrilogy. While I don't think that
the Franco one on its own isnecessarily great, it is a great stuff
order to Way franchise because the nexttwo movies I absolutely love. I love
those last two Planet of the Apesmovies where you have the perfect conclusion to
(04:10):
those movies. But like we seehere, we can jump three hundred years
into the future and pick up thosesame themes. Yeah, what that first
movie did in twenty eleven was establishedthe character of Caesar and really make him
a character we're rooting for. Whichis so he learns from the Knights of
he learns from Raise l Gohoul,he goes, he trains, and then
(04:32):
he becomes ready to defend the worldagainst other monkeys. It's such a necessary
entry because it's a movie essentially pittingapes versus humans, and as a human,
you're naturally inclined, well, Ithink you and I are naturally inclined
to hate the humans. Most otherpeople are gonna be rooting for the humans.
But it's not only apes versus humans, it's apes vers apes. It's
still ideology humans versus humans too.Yeah, it's it's it's actually pretty deep,
(04:57):
and I think this movie actually doesa great job again into some very
human things told through the eyes ofthe ape landscape in this world. Goo.
This movie was made on a budgetof one hundred and sixty What is
the title of this movie? Oh, right, right, gu This installment,
the fourth installment in the Planet ofthe Apes franchise, is titled Kingdom
(05:19):
of the Planet of the Apes andGoo. This movie was made on a
budget of one hundred and sixty million, which maybe you at home don't quite
understand or grasp that number. Toput it in perspective, Avatar The Way
of Water another movie that's made almostexclusively in CGI four hundred and sixty million.
So kudos to the fucking the moviemakers here. It's incredible that you
(05:42):
can put out that high quality ofCGI for almost two and a half hours
at less than half of the costof Avatar. At any point, did
you not like the animation or theCGI. No, there wasn't any point
that took me out of it,and it's it's pretty incredible that it was
as seamless as it is, andit almost helps them more when the humans
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aren't in it, so you don'thave anything to like contrast it against y.
Yeah, but I was. Iwas really blown away by how good
the visuals were in this movie.Yeah, it is. It's seamless from
the last one. And obviously wechange directors, we lose Andy Circus,
who is probably the best mocap guyaround, but no Circus, no problem
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at the box office, and openingweekend fifty six and a half million domestically,
which was more than double what orabout double what The Fall Guy made
last week, which is stunning.I don't know, that's I guess a
conversation. People don't care about moviestars anymore. They care about monkeys.
Worldwide made one hundred and twenty ninemillion, which is almost its budget in
the first weekend, which is incredible. So this movie is set to make
(06:49):
Buckuo bucks goo. This is aPG thirteen action adventure in sci fi with
a runtime of one hundred and fortyfive minutes, so two hours twenty five
minutes. It is long. Ithought they did a pretty good job with
the pacing there wasn't any real lulls. Now there's some lesser moments, some
more somber moments, but I thoughtthe pacing, especially in the third act,
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was great, so it keeps youin it. On Roddy Tez eighty
one percent from the critics, seventynine percent from the audience, so a
little lower than I anticipated, ButI will fully admit this isn't on the
level I think of the last twomovies. This movie is. It's just
simpler, like they have to bringit back to its base to then build
it back up for the next twomovies. Yeah, and you say that
(07:33):
in the good comparison there, Riseof the Planet of the Apes the original
one or the first one in thisfranchise, eighty two percent and seventy seven
percent, so very similar scores.The second movie, Don of the Planet
of the Apes, the one thatI think is the best of the three
ninety one percent, eighty eight percent, War for the Planet of the Apes
ninety four percent, eighty four percenton Metacritic goup this has a sixty six.
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Rise has a sixty eight. Thesecond movie Don seventy nine, the
third movie War eighty two. SoI do agree to that movie I do
think that Down is the better ofthe three. I mean, especially comparing
I think that Down and War arethey're say, if we're looking at water,
those two have their head poking out. The other two have like their
eyes poking out, like they're stillalive, but they might drown. What
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the second one did so well isyou sort of have humans versu humans what
we're talking about, and apes versusapes. And then the third one it's
it's it's more human verse ape andless ape verse eight human verse human although
the end does conclude fantastically with ahuman verse human battle, but the whole
Cooba stuff that comes to a headfantastically. One. Yes, like that.
That's why I think that movie standsout above that. That's what this
(08:41):
movie doesn't have. It doesn't haveCoba. And don't get me wrong,
And I have no idea what themonkey's name is, but he's good.
I enjoy him as as the No. No, So, Noah is the
good guy. Yeah? Wait,do you think Coba is the good guy
in the other movie? No,no, what are you talking about the
original three? Yeah? Okay,continue say Caesar he's the good guy.
(09:01):
Yeah, Cob is the bad monkey? Correct? This movie does not have
a coba yep, And I thinkit is setting itself up for a similar
situation in the next movie or nextcouple movies, because we haven't had that
inter ape strife so much. Now. Obviously, you get a king in
this movie, but he's not verywell established. He's sort of just brought
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in at the beginning of the thirdact and he does a job. You
know, we have an all greatdude. I love that. I love
that. Incredible, incredible job bythat voice actor, incredible job by all
the voice actors, by all theMOCAT people. I you really talk about
it. I think stepping back intothis world, you were always taken aback
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a little bit at the beginning bythe talking apes. That's just a natural
feeling looking at a monkey talking toyou. I know, I'm joking around.
Monkeys and apes aren't the same thing. I'm gonna do this the entire
podcast. So but once you getback into it, you're just in this
world. There's no issues here.Yeah, you become immersed at it pretty
quickly and you just don't even secondguess it at that point. Dude.
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This movie is written by Josh Friedman, who has a really, really interesting
filmography so far, at least forwhat he's written. He did War of
the World's back in five or six, which I think is actually kind of
underrated at this point. I likedthat movie Black Dhalia, which sucked,
Terminator Dark Fate, which sucked,and then he did Avatar The Way of
the Water, so back up,you know, took a few years off
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and now this. So he's clearlybeen trusted with some major properties, and
that is even more so. Whathe's got upcoming is next year's Fantastic four
movie, so one of the biggestproperties in the MCU is in the hands
of this fella. He's also doingthe fourth Avatar movie, and he was
the creator of the snow piercod Hedidn't do Avatar three. He's not gonna
do Avatar five or six or seven. He's just doing four. I don't
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think he's doing He's only doing theevens. Yeah, this movie is directed
by Wes Ball, who I don'tthink anyone really knows. He did do
the Maze Runner trilogy, which isgetting rebooted. I thought the first Maze
Runner was pretty good. After that, it kind of loses steam. So
he's kind of a somewhat unknown directorin terms of this type of movie making
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on this level. I had noissue with the direction here, and again,
when you get something that's so digitallybased, it's hard to like find
issue with the direction. Upcoming,he is doing the Legend of Zelda movie,
so that's interesting and something called Mouseguard, So look forward to Mouseguard.
I wouldn't mind mouse guarding my house. I have Rodents. Synopsis. Many
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years after the reign of Caesar,a young ape goes on a journey that
will lead him to question everything he'sbeen taught about the past and make choices
that will define a future for apesand humans alike. Decent enough synopsis,
worse for me. This movie starsOwen Tigue as our protagonist Noah. Very
good job. I have no qualms, no issues with that. Freya Allen
(11:58):
as our one real human character,may I. That might have been the
weakest part of the movie if youask me if. That's probably my most
major criticism is her and her motivationsand what's going on behind her character.
Maybe, but I love the interactionsbetween May and Raka. But I also
just love Raka. Rocca was maybethe Well we'll get to that, you
(12:22):
know, we'll see if the shoefits, if he's making plemonade, Roka
is doing it all. Actually,my two favorite mo caps or voice acting
done in this movie is Kevin Durandas Proximus Caesar. This is the king
we see primarily in the third actof the movie. He is just so
big and bashful and intimidating, andas you mentioned Peter McConn as Raka,
(12:46):
it just really kind and nice,really warmed your heart. I don't know
who this actor is in real life, Peter McConn, but I just want
to meet him and give him ahug. I that character was so so
well written and so well performed.I really mack would give him a hug
and just whisper into his ear.You're not an orangutan, because I feel
like you're picturing an orangutan. Wouldyou give a hug to an orangutan?
(13:09):
Well, it wasn't orangutan. Ithought that you meant that you want to
give the voice actor a hug?Oh him and the orangutan. Sure,
I'd be afraid to hug a monkey. Really, any kind of ape,
I don't wanna just because they cansnap at any moment. We've seen all
these movies. I don't know Cocothe ape scene, guys, go on
whatever we're calling our social media isright now, tell us would you hug
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an ape? The other three charactersyou really need to know here are Lydia
Peckham as Souna that's essentially Noah's loveinterest, Travis Jeffrey as a Naya that's
like his best friend, and thenWilliam H. Macy is the second human
here as Trevathan. He plays areal son of it. It was fine,
it was fine, Yeah, hewas okay. Yeah, he was
essentially doing his character from Shameless.So I guess if we're gonna point out
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the big differences with this movie comparedto the two better movies, it is
you don't have that great standout badguy and the human stories aren't as compelling.
Yeah. In Dawn of the Planetof the Apes, Jason Clark is
amazing as like the ape advocate,and Gary Oldman's amazing as like the son
of a bitch human. Yeah,it's a good contrast here in War for
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the Planet of the Apes, youdon't really have the good human character.
You have the mute little girl sheplays a part. But Woody Howard fantastic
in it though he's so good.Yes, right, uh dude, Let
me let me do a quick timelinehere of what happens in those first three
movies, just to catch anyone upwho hadn't seen those or hasn't taken the
time to So this movie, Kingdomof the Planet of the Apes is set
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roughly three hundred years after the eventsof the original trilogy. The only thing
that this world really knows of thoseevents is that Caesar was like the first
elder Ape. He was the firstleader, and there really have just heard
tales about him, but they don'tknow for sure what happened, what took
It's all been hearsay. In Riseof the Planet of the Apes that takes
(15:03):
place in this timeline over a fiveyear period, and essentially what happens in
this movie is humans are searching fora cure for Alzheimer's. Primarily James Franco
was doing it because his father playedby John Lithgow, has Alzheimer's he wants
to cure it. An inadvertent effectof this drug is that it is making
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apes smarter. So Caesar's mother isthe first successful test candidate with this drug.
Caesar is the first born ape withthis like enhanced brain, which is
obviously the most notable thing from that. The latest version of the drug in
that movie ends up being a flawedversion of the drug, and it begins
essentially a pandemic, a global pandemic, wiping out humans on a global scale.
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An aside to that is Caesar,as a result of biting a human's
finger off, which was pretty gruesome, he's like put in an institution with
other apes and other quote unquote badanimals. He steals canisters of that drug
and basically gives it to the restof the apes he's with. They all
become these pseudo enhanced apes, essentiallycreating a trickle effect that going forward,
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that next generation of apes are allgoing to be these enhanced apes. That
movie ends with the Apes going intothe woods to set up their civilization,
and human civilization essentially crumbling, beingcentered in just major cities. Dawn of
the Planet of the Apes is setten years after the conclusion of that movie,
and the Apes have a bustling civilizationin the woods of San Francisco and
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there's a human colony surviving, likein downtowns of some major cities. So
San Francisco is what we're dealing waswithin this one. Caesar, still the
leader of the Apes, is basicallytrying to cultivate a peaceful existence between human
and ape. However, there's thisfaction of Apes led by Coba, who
we were just talking about, whohate the humans, do not want to
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coexist. They'd rather kill all ofthe humans. So in this movie Cuba
Cuba keep a gooding Junior Cooba framesthe humans for Caesar's death in burning down
their village. Ultimately, obviously,Caesar remains alive, but between Coba fueling
up the Apes and Gary Oldman's characterfueling up the humans, they're destined for
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a violent conflict. The only peoplethat end up stopping it are Caesar and
Malcolm played by Jason Clark, whodoes a great job in that movie.
Unfortunately, at the end of thatmovie, Gary Oldman's character Dreyfus had already
contacted a militia which ends up beingled by Wardy Harrelson, and we see
at the end of that movie Caesarkills Coba and the Apes have to prepare
for conflict with the humans. Warfor the Planet of the Apes, set
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two years after that movie, seesthis militia group tracking down Caesar in his
group of like enhanced apes through thestate of California wherever they're going. The
militia ends up killing Caesar's wife andone of his kids and then basically sets
Caesar off looking for revenge, sohe goes after the militia for basically the
rest of the movie. During thiswe learned that there is now a mutation
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of this Simian flu that leaves humansmute, and it is essentially it's not
killing them, it's reverting them backto like caveman age. So it's flipped
on. I said, it's ironic. Now the apes are the smart ones,
the humans are the ones that can'tspeak. There's also we learn there's
also factions of humans that have developed. So this militia group is out to
wipe out apes or enslave them,but more so wipe out all the infected
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humans with the Simian flu, andthen there's other human groups that are trying
to cure it, so they're buttonheads this whole time, which leads to
the conclusion of that film, whichWoody Harlson ironically comes down with that Simian
flu. He unalives himself. Thatmilitia gets bombed by the other human factions,
and then Caesar aids that by detonatingsome explosives causing that avalanche, wiping
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out that militia. At the endof that movie, we see Caesar in
his group of apes arriving at thisoasis that they had set out for at
the beginning of that movie, andCaesar was mortally wounded during that battle,
he's able to rest peacefully. Sonow that brings us to three hundred years
later, here we are for thismovie. Now, let me ask you
a question, is now, thesemovies always did pretty well financially, but
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never got into the billions of dollars. The quality of these films are great,
but they aren't talked about like someother blockbusters of the time. Yeah,
why, Yeah, it's It's reallyinteresting to think about because I think
it's a way to introduce some reallydark concept concepts to a somewhat younger,
(19:33):
younger audience. Obviously there's humans inthere, but using the apes makes it
a little more palatable for people.I think, so you might be able
to have a deeper conversation with aten, twelve, thirteen year old kid.
It's probably B level for blockbusters,right because it's still making I think
the last two made close to fivehundred millions. They consistently made very good
money, just never hit like thatnext level, right right. So No,
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it's interesting to talk about because thequality, like the baseline level of
these movies are really really good.Now maybe they'll they'll they'll keep picking up.
This had the second biggest opening ofthe four movies so far, and
I think it's going to continue tomake a lot more money. But it's
a good question to pond her becauseI think they're really well made and really
well written, and the the thethings they're dealing with is very human.
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It just happens to be apes onscreen, all right, Max, So
we get to our decagone. Yeah, let's do it, all right,
Mac. Fun factor the special effectsled to I think some very good fun
visual things, but I'm not necessarilysure if any of the storylines were fun.
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Yeah, it's not outright fun.I did enjoy Raka so much that
I have on screen. I alsofelt like the tension was so good throughout
the film that you have some goodlike heart racing fun, some good roller
coaster type of fun satisfactor and Iwas very satisfied with. Obviously, cs
R is no longer Caesar. Ikeep putting the wrong and fastest on the
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wrong syllable here, but the characteris obviously no longer with us. It's
three hundred years in the future,and he now only lives through stories told
about him because these guys can't read, and we do have a character that
does read to the apes. Butit's misconstruing the teachings and the lessons that
Caesar tried to give to his otherapes. So it's it's the wrong interpretation
(21:27):
using the old stories that I thinkis satisfying because that is what connects them.
Yeah, and it's something that's happeneddozens and tens and hundreds of times
in human history, is leaders lookingfor power, misusing prior teachings and older
leaders and what they said. Sothat is somewhat satisfying. Those who win
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the war get to tell the storyexactly. That is a satisfying part of
this movie. I also thought theconclusion was like baseline, satisfactory, kind
of what you expected, but satisfyingenough. Borometer No, Yeah, it
did a pretty good job of notbeing boring at all. Like I said,
the pacing was quite strong, soit does lack the high end fun
(22:11):
factor and satisfactor, but it alsodoesn't have any bore really in here,
So it's just baseline a really reallygood movie Halloween. Will this movie wane
over time? And I kind ofhope it does because I want the sequels
to be better. Yeah. Iagree a bit with you here if you
look at it in context of thefirst three, I never really want to
(22:32):
go back and watch that first one, but the other two are much more
rewatchable, So maybe we're setting ourselvesup for that type of situation here,
Awkuator. It's better than twenty seventeen'sAquaman Fou Show. When life gives you
plemons, you make plemonade. AndI believe that everything that went into the
character of Raka is delicious delightful.Yeah, absolutely delightful. Couldn't agree more.
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It came at the perfect time inthe movie, and when that character
exits the movie, that was likea good jumping off point too. It's
just a really really well thought outcharacter, and it's it's I don't know,
it's it's a great character. Bestcharacter in the movie, Pants,
ten City, Excite, bike Mania. What in this movie got you going?
(23:17):
I really like? So we've seenmillions of movies like this. Now
we've even seen some this year.You know, you have Doune, this
dystopian type of future or past,however you want to look at it,
and what revolves around that, howraces in people develop society around that.
I just like the way this isbuilt, how the apes are slowly.
(23:37):
The apes are like in a Bronzeage where humans were you know, a
thousand and fifteen hundred years ago,and now the humans are fighting just to
stay alive, to get back ontop. I just really like like the
levels of both societies in this movie. If the Shoe Fits is something that
I think we're gonna get rid of. I think we should move forward now
(23:57):
with Uh, we're not monkeying around. Although that said, I felt like
Kevin Duranda's Proximates Caesar was a perfectIf the Shoe fits, that's old news,
that's an old that's old. We'renot doing that anymore. Mac.
I think that wes Ball did notmonkey around. He got the job done.
Agreed, Agreed. We then moveon to Max's credit Union. Like
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I said at the top, Ithink it's an absolute achievement that this movie
got made for one hundred and sixtythree hundred million dollars less than Avatar or
The Whale Water. That's not toput down Avatar the Whale Water. I'm
sure they developed Xyz to make thatmovie, but the fact that this movie
looks so great for three hundred milliondollars less is fucking insane. It's really
breaking my brain thinking about that.For those of you tardy to the Mac
(24:42):
and Goop party, we rate everythingon a forty hot dog rating system,
and Mac just once again in thisreboot franchise another solid flick. I don't
think it's as good as the previoustwo, but what they gave us here
is still beautiful. The karac arestill pretty fleshed out. And what I
also like about this too is thatwith the start of the new trilogy in
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the reboot franchise, I wasn't attachedto any of these characters quite yet,
and I think that they knew this, so anyone was really on the board
to be taken out. You didn'tknow who was going to be sticking around,
who this trilogy was truly about.Granted it, you know, you
can kind of put the pieces together, but anyone could go at any moment.
(25:30):
I think that they have set themselvesup for another solid trilogy, and
I want to see what happens inthe future. And just really, like
I said at the top, it'sthe look of this movie. It's you're
immersed immediately. You don't bat aneye at these talking chimpanzees. I got
this ASTs thirty three hot dogs.Wow goo wow wow wow. I'll tell
(25:53):
you what makes us similar, thatmakes us great. Go I'd say again
to contexture this. Uh, Andwe've never reviewed these three movies on the
podcast, so just to give thefolks at home a little bit of a
peak, I think Rise of thePlanet of the Apes, that twenty eleven
movie, I think that's like athirty two Dog movie, maybe thirty one.
Good table setter, sets up Caasonreally well. It's just a good
(26:17):
leadoff entry into that franchise. Donof the Planet of the Apes, to
me is like a thirty eight Dogmovie. That movie Blew my cock Off.
I really really liked, loved thatmovie. War for the Planet of
the Apes is like thirty five tothirty six great, but not on the
DVD cover for Don Blew a Cokoffdash maack. The third movie was a
(26:37):
was a great conclusion, just wasn'tquite as good as a second. In
my opinion, this movie feels closerto the first movie than it does those
other two. I really liked howit mirrored a lot of aspects of what
has clearly gone on in human history. People finding relics or old scriptures,
cave signs, and interpreting things indifferent ways, putting their own spinoff it.
(27:00):
People twisting original intentions of old leadersto sort of justify their actions in
the present. That's a very humanthing we've done in our whole entire history.
But also just not having the fullstory, and we'll get to that
in a second in spoilers. Butthere's something that I think makes it even
better, the fact that they didn'tknow something right. Yes, well,
that's happened a ton of times inhuman history too. Yeah, And I
(27:22):
love how they use that aspect ofthe story to connect it to the original
trilogy with Caesar and what Caesar believedin that whole thing. That also meant
that the viewer going to this moviedidn't really need any knowledge from the prior
three movies. It helps, butyou didn't really need it. You just
need to know Caesar exists. Whatthey say this is what they tell you
in like a title card. Atthe beginning, I thought they did a
(27:45):
pretty good job of establishing Noah asour next protagonist. Not quite Caesar level,
but good enough. I do feellike May was pretty weak though the
human character. Now, I likethe dynamic between her and Noah, and
I like the dynamic boiling in thefuture between apes and humans. I just
didn't care all that much for hercharacter in this movie. So I guess
I'm I'm the same thirty three hotDogs. It is my number three movie
(28:08):
of twenty twenty four. I thinkof fifteen or sixteen, with only June
Part two in The Fall Guy aheadof this. But it is sort of
in a small little jumble of moviesnow, so it's like clearly below the
top. But it's it's a it'sjust a really solid movie. There's really
you really have to nitpick to notlike things or not like this movie.
It's just it's just a very goodentry. Shall we spoil? Let's get
(28:30):
the spoil spoiler spoiler, spoilers,spoil. I love them finding out that
humans used to run the world andthat apes animals were, you know,
this sub level of what humans were. And I'm just curious, like how
many of the apes knew this?Because William H. Macy's character is the
(28:52):
one teaching Proximus Caesar about what theworld used to be, and I would
imagine that he's gonna leave some stuffout. He is gonna cookie coat,
he is gonna he's gonna decide whathe learns, and he's not gonna be
like, oh, by the way, you know that humans used to put
you guys in cages. I actuallydon't think that's the case. I think
(29:12):
that's why Proximus is so motivated toget into that vault because he knows he's
got to get ahead of what's left. He wants weapons, yeah, to
get ahead of what's left of humans. No, So I think that he
does have a general dislike of humans, but that's based off of the Caesar
teachings that he misinterprets. But Ithink the funniest line of the movie and
(29:33):
kind of gets into what he wantsfrom that vault, is when he sees
Nova shooting the gun and he's like, are there more of those in there?
Yeah? That's pretty good. Yeah. No, I actually I disagree
with you there. I think heknows exactly what their fate is if they
let the humans rise up against himexactly, Yes, I do. And
(29:53):
I think he's keeping it from theApes to sort of keep you know,
camaraderie. I think he knows,and I think that's why he's so.
You think that William H. Macyis selling out his own kind, telling
this to proximates Caesar so that he'llbe kept around, but all other humans
will be taken out, no doubtabout it. Yeah, I think he's
Okay, No, I can seethat. Yeah, that's my interpretation.
(30:15):
Okay, not that I'm one hundredpercent right, but that's how I saw
you wrote the movie. Uh dothe the couple of little notes here?
Yeah. Oh, by the way, speaking to what you're speaking of before
I jump to that, the twoscenes that really underscore what you're talking about
is when uh, Noah meets Rakain the airport and he sees the mural
(30:37):
of humans and he's just like blownaway, and Raka doesn't really know,
but he has an idea that humansflourished before. And then of course when
they break into the vault, Noahand his two friend apes there, they're
looking through the books and they seethe apes and the zoo and they're like,
mind blown by this one. Whatis this? It's a good like
bass for what's gonna come, andobviously that'll mean more. Also, you
(31:00):
knew that Raka was gonna die.You knew it, you were getting ready
for it, and it's still hurtyou. There's an audio post credit in
this movie, audio only, featuringthe voice of what we will assume is
Raka. It sounds like I hadso I was in the theater. I
was like, what is this?So we're I think it's implying he's still
(31:21):
alive, which I hope so,because it's such a great character and the
Apes are gonna need that character goingforward. But I also think that movies
like this or any franchise, youneed to have characters that can be taken
out at any moment. Like inthis movie, I thought that Noah might
die at any moment, because really, any of the Apes could take over.
(31:41):
Sure, Yeah, I get whatyou're saying on it, it doesn't
matter. In this current state ofthe world. Raka is the only character
right that like knows what he knows. Like in the original trilogy, you
knew that they needed Caesar in thisone. You're like, I don't know
if we need any of these,and anyone can step up to be the
good Ape or the bad Ape.That's true. No, and maybe that
(32:02):
will set up this trilogy to sortof meet greater ends than the last one.
That's that's certain. It's in thenext movie. What happened to James
Franco's character, which is I believehe just died off screen. If that
happens to Noah, like at thebeginning, they're like, oh, by
the way, Noah's dead, I'dbe like, all right, cool,
who's up next, Yeah, let'sjump into the action. No it went
back to his home planet and diedon the way back. A couple of
(32:24):
fun things here. They call thehuman they name the human Nova because that's
the name of the young female characterfrom War of the Planet of the Apes.
That's what Caesar calls Zach Girl.So presumably over the last three hundred
years that cop passed down. That'swhy they call her Nova. It's also
a nod to a character from thenineteen sixty eight movie the Caesar symbol that
(32:45):
we see Proximus use the circle withthe like curved cross, and also we
see it on Racas necklace as theshape of the attic window from the San
Francisco home we see in the firstmovie, which I think is a really
nice touch. We see that mayends up being being like a much bigger
character than what she led on toboth the audience and to the apes here
(33:06):
and at the end of this movie, she brings that hard drive she finds
in the vault to another location andit completes this like satellite uplink? Did
you like that? When they askedher about it, She's like, this
will give humans a voice again.And I'm like, are they gonna cure
it'll it'll teach humans how to ywhatever it was, Yeah, whatever it
was, And You're like, isthis gonna cure So but when she gets
(33:29):
it, I'm like, what isthis giant fucking floppy disc that she is
grabbing? I do like that itwas more satellite that humans can now speak
to each other. Yeah, Sothis unlocks a whole level of things we
haven't really thought about in a while, like what's going on with the humans
other than the wild humans we seethe echoes I guess for lack of a
(33:50):
better term. So once that satelliteuplink is completed, we immediately hear this
base call out and like a baseon the Midwest. I don't remember if
it was Ida, Iowa, Idaho, Indiana, Ohio, some flyover here,
nag we get it, you know, states. One of those calls
back and you're like, all right, they're uplinks. So there's got to
be multiple sites across the country withthis like underground human community staying alive and
(34:14):
rebuilding their society. So that's reallyinteresting going forward. I liked May at
the end of the movie more thanI did most of the movie, just
because it's she seems like a morebadass character than what she was leading on.
It's just I didn't love her formost of this movie. At the
end of the movie, here weget, obviously this fight scene between Proximus
(34:36):
and Noah, which I thought wasgood enough. Like they call back with
the eagle song, like that wasfine. It was. It was like
just satisfying enough that I that Igave it a pass. Yeah, it
was a little a little predictable Smith, Yes, sure. I did just
really like in general that they usedbirds. So for some reason, the
bird eight horse combination is badass.I don't know why. I just like
(35:00):
that trio of animals. It reallyreally works. I don't know why,
but that just made me laugh picturingMatt just being like, fuck, I
would love to ride a horse whilesummoning my falcon. But it's really interesting
now too, because whether we agreeon what Proximists knew or not, Proximus
is now dead and I don't thinkany other Ape had access to the information
(35:23):
being fed to him by William H. Macy there and so now the only
Apes that know truly are Noah andthe two friends. Let me get those
names again. I keep forgetting Sunaand Anaya, so I wonder what they
do with that information going forward.I also loved how broken down Anaya was,
Like how just completely like out ofcharacter the character became when they became
(35:49):
a slave. Yeah, and itshowed you, like what happens there that
it's sort of the fight or flightstuff. Yeah, some people become broken
and just fall into line. Otherpeople want to revolt. It was.
It was a perfect yeah one twocombo there. I think, Uh,
I think that's it. That's allI really have for spoilers. Yeah,
we're let where it leaves off.It leaves off the franchise in a good
spot with this looming conflict between Apesand humans coming and we now know.
(36:14):
It almost seems like the humans havean advantage now Goo, because they're now
talking on at least a country widescale, and the apes are going to
be really segmented in their villages andtheir small little civilizations, and presumably the
humans are going to rise up inthe next one and sort of catch the
apes off guard. I'm guessing yeah, but Noah, Noah can build weaponry
(36:36):
now though that's true, that's true, and they probably might have access to
more things than we know. Uh, I don't know. There's a lot
unsaid left at the end of thismovie, for better or worse, but
it's a really interesting spot because itseems to me that the humans will be
able to somewhat sneakily rise up onwhat's left of the apes. But the
(36:57):
apes don't really want to fight thehumans, it doesn't seem see, they
just want to be left alone,or at least it seems like certain uh
like tribes or certain like groups ofapes want to just be left alone,
while some do want to conquer.And it makes you call back to Caesar's
goal at the beginning of this wholefranchise is to have ape and human live
(37:17):
side by side, and it seemslike this franchise is gonna build towards that
with the sixth movie. But Idon't know. Maybe there'll be nine movies,
maybe there'll be another trio after this. They could go either way on
it. It's gonna be interesting tosee, Like the next movie is gonna
really tell us how the rest ofthe thing is gonna play out. But
it left it, It left itin a really good spot going forward.
(37:38):
I mean, I think that bythe end of this it's gonna the the
Apes will control the planet and thefinal scene of this trilogy will be Charleston
Heston landing his uh landing his spacecraftand stepping out. Hopefully by that time
they'll have a deal with his familyto use his AI image and we'll have
some fun. Yeah, they dohave that little easter egg in the James
(37:59):
Frae a movie of the space shuttletaking off. I hope they don't pay
that off, though, I hopethat, hey it off, pay it
off. This is sci fi.Let's have some fun, Mac, sure,
sure, sure, sure, Let'sget into Maxack and Max Sack could
(38:20):
be anything. It could be aboat and Mac let's get into a news
segment that we have here. Uh, I don't know if I like the
title of this, but let's playwith it right now. It's called shit
talk spelled t okay. Yes,this is when the folks head over to
our TikTok account and boom roast us. Let's go to one of our videos
(38:42):
that was posted a couple of weeksago, and it was Goo discussing how
he loves how Casey Jones nonchalantly murdersthe Shredder with a garbage truck and many
of the people on there telling me, hey, Shredder's still alive. In
the sequels, I know what you'retalking about, which is completely true.
But if you read the caption onthe video, it says attempted, So
(39:07):
open your eyes, folks. Comeon, folks. But I do love
how. Eric Gandhi makes a greatpoint on there. He says that Jones
does say whoops, so it's accidental. Yeah, it's not a murder,
it's it's a manslaughter. And thenwe get to the people. Jeff Froy
said that I look like j Bearshawwith Dane Cook's voice. I don't think
(39:30):
you don't have Dank Cook's voice,but Dane Cook has such a distinct cadence.
That's really what makes Dane Cook DankCook justin Garza one thirty four,
so that I give off Anthony jesselNick vibes. You have the same tone
as jessel Nick, but you're amuch nicer human being than he is.
Thank you. And then Simon hadthe best one out there. He said
(39:52):
that I look like Anthony Jesselnick dressedas Jay Beershall for Halloween. I don't
even know. I don't even know. It seems like that those two are
common. You know what it isis they both have the upright hair like
you do. So people are justgoing to that. There were several people
that pointed at Dane Cook, jBershaw and and Anthony Jeselnick. So I
(40:15):
think it's just the hair. Ithink it's well, it's also the hockey
jersey. I was wearing a hockeyjersey, so the Jay be a little
lazy. Well, Mac, I'ma white podcaster. I own hockey jerseys.
We also have from one of ourother tiktoks, I believe it was
the one where you said that bullettrain is better paced than the fall Guy
(40:39):
because there's this train in it.And from Gargoyle Warner. He compared you.
He said that you look like Carlfrom Aquitine Hunker Force. Yeah,
if you, if you, ifyou get the mustache, and I had
a tank top on that day,It's it's not too far off, that's
for sure. I wanna say,like he caught you on a good day
though, like you were wearing atank heading a bit too something exactly like
(41:02):
the fade your mustache was just dirtyenough that yes. And I was like,
I send it to uh my wifeand I shorted the picture. She
goes, oh, that's kind ofmean. I'm like, yeah, but
look at Mac and she goes,oh, yeah, kind of yeah.
So that was our ship talk.Let's go to our TikTok boom roast us.
What do we care? Yeah,we don't have feelings, all right,
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I'm sitting on a trash barrel rightnow holding a microphone. I'm looking
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If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
The Nikki Glaser Podcast
Every week comedian and infamous roaster Nikki Glaser provides a fun, fast-paced, and brutally honest look into current pop-culture and her own personal life.